Who is ready for Renewal and 3rd class?

Relics · Jun 17, 2009, 02:06 PM

Quote from: Xarale on Jun 17, 2009, 02:02 PM
The majority of current classes can be easily played by hitting around 2 hotkeys over & over til mobs/enemy players/yourself dies.

Gonna disagree with you there man, it may be true for mobs but certainly not players. That or you only face s*** ones.

LemonCrosswalk · Jun 17, 2009, 02:30 PM

Hey, it's new. God knows RO is a bit new to this "new content" thing. That's probably why people like RO. It hasn't changed for so long they know the way to be "uber 1337" and "pwn" people in pvp. Of course they don't want it to change. It took them like 6 years to learn how to play the game well.

Pandora · Jun 17, 2009, 03:16 PM

I'm gonna compare this to mouro, it's awesome, but it's not the same game anymore and not everyone wants to re-learn a new game, we play RO because we like how it is, if we wanted another game we'd find it, lord knows there's plenty of mmo out there.

As for what to do server wise, for our part it's not decided yet, we've talked about it, but we concluded that we wouldn't make a final decision about it until we have all the facts and information. First it will depend first on what eA does, will they code renewal? If they don't you can be sure most server wont have it. Then, what is renewal in the end, we've been reading doodle's reports, and the kro update but it's a short list for such a big change, we'll have to try it before we decide. It's too soon to choose, let's see how kRO fares with it first.

Irrelevant · Jun 17, 2009, 03:25 PM

Quote from: Pandora on Jun 17, 2009, 03:16 PM
I'm gonna compare this to mouro, it's awesome, but it's not the same game anymore and not everyone wants to re-learn a new game, we play RO because we like how it is, if we wanted another game we'd find it, lord knows there's plenty of mmo out there.

As for what to do server wise, for our part it's not decided yet, we've talked about it, but we concluded that we wouldn't make a final decision about it until we have all the facts and information. First it will depend first on what eA does, will they code renewal? If they don't you can be sure most server wont have it. Then, what is renewal in the end, we've been reading doodle's reports, and the kro update but it's a short list for such a big change, we'll have to try it before we decide. It's too soon to choose, let's see how kRO fares with it first.

I've rumors of eA coding the renewal system on a completely different branch. I think just splitting a server into renewal and non-renewal will be the crowd pleaser.

Xarale · Jun 17, 2009, 03:33 PM

Quote from: Relics on Jun 17, 2009, 02:06 PM
Quote from: Xarale on Jun 17, 2009, 02:02 PM
The majority of current classes can be easily played by hitting around 2 hotkeys over & over til mobs/enemy players/yourself dies.
Gonna disagree with you there man, it may be true for mobs but certainly not players. That or you only face s*** ones.

Ok I admit, I exaggerated slightly there. lol. The point I was trying to make though, is that some of the pure DPS classes currently don't have a large variety of useful skills to use compared to the new 3rd class skill tables. Though, I guess we'd have to wait until all 3rd classes are done/released before this can be completely verified.

Quote from: Irrelevant on Jun 17, 2009, 03:25 PM
I've rumors of eA coding the renewal system on a completely different branch. I think just splitting a server into renewal and non-renewal will be the crowd pleaser.

This would be the best solution, I hope this is the way it ends up.

Pandora · Jun 17, 2009, 03:45 PM

Quote from: Xarale on Jun 17, 2009, 03:33 PM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Jun 17, 2009, 03:25 PM
I've rumors of eA coding the renewal system on a completely different branch. I think just splitting a server into renewal and non-renewal will be the crowd pleaser.
This would be the best solution, I hope this is the way it ends up.

Then again that mean splitting population, and having 2 servers to manage, although I'm not against the idea myself, it also has its bad side that must be considered.

bleu · Jun 17, 2009, 03:45 PM

QuoteIt's been said many many many times before, and it'll be said once again before I close this.

eAthena will most likely NOT follow the renewal. If we do, it'll be of a separate branch, probably not even maintained by eAthena itself.

The above statement was from Jguy, Admin of eAthena a few days ago. I wouldn't be too hopeful that eA will be coding Renewal.

Slice · Jun 17, 2009, 04:04 PM

I'll flow with eAthena. Implementing renewal without their help will be an achievement, but a pain in the hiney.

LemonCrosswalk · Jun 17, 2009, 06:58 PM

There's no doubt that there is going to be Ro "Classic" servers still around.

Kisuka · Jun 17, 2009, 08:51 PM

Quote from: bleu on Jun 17, 2009, 03:45 PM
QuoteIt's been said many many many times before, and it'll be said once again before I close this.

eAthena will most likely NOT follow the renewal. If we do, it'll be of a separate branch, probably not even maintained by eAthena itself.

The above statement was from Jguy, Admin of eAthena a few days ago. I wouldn't be too hopeful that eA will be coding Renewal.

It's not like I'm not a dev for eA or anything and haven't been posting things~

eA team is currently making a game plan for many issues including renewal. It's all still in planning.

bleu · Jun 18, 2009, 01:05 AM

Quote from: Xarale on Jun 17, 2009, 02:02 PM
I'm actually looking forward to renewal/3rd classes.

I too am looking forward to Renewal and 3rd Class. However it would appear many private servers (large and small alike) are ill-prepared to embrace Renewal and 3rd Class. Most are just waiting and expecting eAthena to do it for them and hand over the codes/scripts whenever that may be. Some have even gone as far as openly criticizing competing servers which are attempting to code, implement and test Renewal and 3rd Class on their servers. Given, many private servers do not have the resources and capability to take on something colossal as Renewal and 3rd Class. It surprises me even more when there are Admins and GMs who are unaware that Gravity has launched Renewal and 3rd Class on kRO. Some still continue to brush off Renewal and 3rd Class with the excuse "It's still in testing! We will not start anything until Renewal is finalised"... Wake up!!! It's not in testing phase anymore!

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Kisuka · Jun 18, 2009, 06:12 AM

bleu, many of the servers you speak of that have added the 3rd class mod from the eA forums have not even attempted to change the actual game mechanics that go along with renewal, and because of this, that is why others have said it's a bad idea.
Why do you think eA has to make a new branch just for renewal? It's because in renewal there are MANY changes that just can't be done in trunk. If I remember right Gravity said they were planning on a new stat system, and also changes many of the formulas in the RO game mechanics.
So, to add just the sprites/skills (the mod), but not change EVERYTHING, including using a renewal client (im sure 60% of the servers that added 3rd are using an XRay client with 3rd class stuff added to tabs) is a really bad idea.

Do you understand now? It's not so much that people are waiting for eA to just hand it to them, its that they KNOW it's a bad idea to add them without altering eA greatly in the source. Hell, even I know it.

Pandora · Jun 18, 2009, 08:39 AM

Renewal may be finalized on kRO (for 3-1 at least, not 3-2) however it's not like they have released the exact formulas, so in order to replicate it a lot of testing will have to be one by whomever decides to attempt to emulate it.

LiteX · Jun 18, 2009, 09:47 AM

Quote from: Pandora on Jun 18, 2009, 08:39 AM
Renewal may be finalized on kRO (for 3-1 at least, not 3-2) however it's not like they have released the exact formulas, so in order to replicate it a lot of testing will have to be one by whomever decides to attempt to emulate it.

Doesn't iROWiki People test things to the exact billionth decimal?