Is Leeching Evil?

bleu · Dec 23, 2008, 12:24 AM

Is Leeching the root of all Evil? When did Leeching first started to become popular? Discuss

Definition:
In computing and specifically on the Internet, being a leech or leecher refers to the practice of benefiting, usually deliberately, from others' information or effort but not offering anything in return, or only token offerings in an attempt to avoid being called a leech.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leech_(computing)

Sarin · Dec 23, 2008, 12:33 AM

N00bs are root of all RO evil.

There are times when leeching has its reason....for example while making forger char...or when someone offers leech because for example he's already 99, and the exp would be lost, or he just likes to help guildmates....but n00bs running around saying "KAN I HAZ LEECH PLZ", that is evil.

Cielte · Dec 23, 2008, 01:30 AM

Quote from: Sarin on Dec 23, 2008, 12:33 AM
N00bs are root of all RO evil.

There are times when leeching has its reason....for example while making forger char...or when someone offers leech because for example he's already 99, and the exp would be lost, or he just likes to help guildmates....but n00bs running around saying "KAN I HAZ LEECH PLZ", that is evil.

I second that.

Guest · Dec 23, 2008, 01:49 AM

leeching isn't evil, but its not nice either
its more annoying then anything, but rarely bad enough to be called evil =o

Descent · Dec 23, 2008, 07:31 AM

In relation to RO, leeching is pathetic, and you can tell the leechers from the people who will actually put the time in to level. The leechers will sit at Anubis with a High Priest who REALLY doesn't want to be there, while they sit in a corner and run from mobs.

Last time I was "leeched", it was a combined effort. My friend's HP was at Anubis along with my Knight, both of us on Even Share, he would kill Anubis, and I would farm Mino and Pasana Cards. Probably the only time I didn't feel completely dirty getting a leech.

If you can't put effort into an MMORPG, you shouldn't be playing it.

Littlechan · Dec 23, 2008, 10:39 AM

Quote from: JJJ on Dec 23, 2008, 01:49 AM
leeching isn't evil, but its not nice either
its more annoying then anything, but rarely bad enough to be called evil =o

I think it's depend. if the people do it in purpose on help, then it's not evil XD

John Locke · Dec 23, 2008, 11:40 AM

Leeching actitudes are selfish and the root of all evil.

Guest · Dec 23, 2008, 04:22 PM

lol my thoughts about leeching work for both the internet term, and the RO term x3
pretty much think the same way about both kinds of leeching lol

Aris · Dec 24, 2008, 12:53 AM

I used to get leeches from my friends way back but I would leech them also if they wanted to so no harm done. I always leech myself now tho.

Overall for everything that isn't RO related, I don't leech alot because I can do things myself or figure it out if I need to.

You · Dec 24, 2008, 11:47 AM

I think leeching is perfectly acceptable, as long as the leecher is the one who asks, and not the person being leeched. "I'm going to be farming X card, want to come along for extra exp?" "Level 98 sucks, I know, want some help?"

If I'm getting leeched, I try to chip in something of my own, killing lesser enemies for cards or items, trying to be witty and hilarious over party chat for entertainment, or just putting in that much effort to helping the guy out on a later date.

It's just another part of the whole teamwork thing.

lanceneoh · Dec 27, 2008, 03:54 AM

No.leeching is not evil.
When we leech someone else, he/she will lvl up.
may be later,you need them to help you to beat some MVP.

Poki · Dec 28, 2008, 01:21 AM

I leech noobs and show them who's their boss as they bow down to kiss my dirty feet. Oh, and of course, I do it because I feel good about how I'm needed in their RO life or else they would become rather helpless.

Shaelyn · Dec 31, 2008, 04:42 PM

if a noob doesn't impose, it's not evil.

I get a certain amount of joy from helping others, and that includes letting others leech from me. it's fun to me. but if someone's trying to get me to let them leech when I'm busy doing other things, erm...the answer is no, and no means no. if they push, odds are I'll never let them leech.

when I'm low-level, at most I'll ask for a party...and if people end up letting me leech, sobeit.

Hellioning · Dec 31, 2008, 09:26 PM

It's not evil. It is annoying when anything other then a pure forger/creator or a priest asks for a leech, tho.

bleu · Jan 01, 2009, 08:32 PM

From my observations, leeching is normally actively participated by "Experienced Players". New players normally don't know what is leeching. There appears to be various forms of leeching:

1. Leeching as a Business
An experienced player offering Leeching services. S> Leech at Thor. 10m per hour. Provide HP/SP items. PM Me. Normally, only experienced players would be able to afford to buy a leech, unless of course a new player donate some money/get some nice items and sell them for zeny. Even so, you will still need to be within the normal 10 level range to be leeched; so its more catering towards higher level players.

2. Self-leeching
Common on duel-client servers; where you basically leech yourself using another more efficient character. You may be just leeching your Forger or Pure Potter (at least at the beginning). Sooner or later, your lack of patience and the wide-spread culture of leeching will encourage you to leech other characters- some characters which are perfectly able to kill on their own. As time passes, levelling a character is no longer enjoyable. After several years, I am sure most of the Experienced Players have already endured many long hours to killing monsters. They simply wanna focus on some other high level events - WOE and PVP. So, it's the race of getting your character to a Trans 99 and then and only then the fun begins. Levelling is not seen as a learning curve. It's view as a hassle, and irrelevant. What is more important is WOE/PVP skills. So, it's not a surprise seeing full geared Lord Knights, Biochemist being leeched to lvl99 by a Star Gladiator at Thor/ or any other popular leeching spots.

3. You rub my back, I'll rub yours
Exchanging favors among guildmates or friends. I leech your Knight to 99, then you leech my Sage to 99. Deal? It may also involve "Heal slaving" by a priest, as only one party stand to benefit from the party arrangement.

In my view, I do not consider levelling a Guild an act of leeching. It's just taxes. A Guild has no other effective ways of levelling besides taxes. Tribal Solidarity is not an effecient way of levelling the guild. Helping a new player, showing him/her some moves, showing them where to level, sharing some advice, and "Tanking" a bit - I too do not consider it an act of leeching. Wel, u don't normally tank a person for very long periods of time, but leeching - the time spent can be demanding. And there is also a high tendency for the other party to be AFK during leeching. In the case of tanking, the other party still have to do his/her bit of killing to gain the experience.

Could Leeching and Partying be the total opposite? If a server have a strong culture of leeching, will we witness less active levelling parties? And if the culture of partying thrives in a server, will there be a less of a reason to consider leeching. And if partying is considered good, could this mean that leeching is bad?

Is Leeching Evil?

Descent