Poll
Question:
Which is the most corrupt out of all of them?
Option 1: AnimaRO
Option 2: EuphRO
Option 3: Pre-RO
Option 4: CorruptRO
Just like the topic says, name the 10 (or less) servers you believe to be the most corrupt out of all the servers!
Give more suggestions of other servers. Those are just the ones I see on most RO forums
i like this idea, but first please define "corrupt".
It could be a combination of:
1) server with gm giving out items to friends
2) donator can buy anything possible leading to imbalance
3) gm kill players etc
4) ... i dont know just define it
All of them at once!
i.e. anything that YOU think it corrupt
XelentRO is the most corrupt RO i ever played.
When i first came there, theres like 5 GM online. Server full of GMs, they pvp in town, killing regular players.
You can just ask one of the GM for an item, and they will give you for free as a "secret" .
Who doesnt want a free item? Everyone does. Some GMs are really childish, they ask you to go pvp, and kill you with their GM account. Some GM give you free items but later on turn against you, saying that we have unlegit item, and chardrop your items.
The admin, DONT care about the server, he was planning to close the server, but now he let other "childish GMs" in charge, and they do stupid things.
I DO NOT recommended this server to anyone. Please dont play.
I've only played a few servers, and still, I witnessed corruption a few too many times.
- AnimaRO - I haven't played many servers, but by far the most corrupt IMO. Donation items, favoritism, GM abuse, it's got the works.
- Luminary Zenith - A small, dead server, but nonetheless, while we were there, a corrupt GM that was about to get the boot gave my guild all hax items. Rofl. Thing is, we didn't know he was a GM, he was in his legit character. He got banned, and the server was wiped immediately after.
- AppleJuiceRO - So far I've heard a bunch of rumors about this place. I just witnessed a GM buffing a few players while others requests were ignored. Not major, but favoritism nonetheless.
Everytime I see a thread about a corrupt server, it's usually about AnimaRO, but I don't remember it being corrupt. The 3 months I played Anima I found it to be really fun, and the community very friendly. The GM's never killed me either.
There is much more behind the scenes of anima ro ;)
That's what they all say. Hell, that stupid animarotruth site said that Debbie got a sex change and became Harken.
At one point the server VanRO MR was corrupted when a GM by the name of Frosta started giving her legit friends tons of awesome items. Then she made a legit paladin and gave it the most strongest possible gear, and started a guild (and I was in it lol). Though outside of RO she was having problems with a game so I decided to help her with the coding and stuff, doing so she gave me a Mjornir and other godly items for my earned work. When people were suspicious and some info was leaked, the whole server got angry, using the global announcer, people started to rant about how corrupt Frosta was. Basically everyone left and the server is now containing about 20 people average. :(
Twas a good server before Frosta came along...
Ha! There will always be corrupt GM's. They should have a person supervising them 24/7 in each server.
Quote from: finnith on Jun 18, 2007, 04:46 PM
Ha! There will always be corrupt GM's. They should have a person supervising them 24/7 in each server.
Except in servers without GMs.
Hell I don't even think official ROs have as many GMs as some of these private servers do. Half your population shouldn't be GMs :)
Isn't it sad how we even HAVE corrupt servers? Isn't it sad one of them is named CorruptRO?
I say anima easily takes the cake as the most corrupt out there.
Quote from: finnith on Jun 18, 2007, 12:23 PM
Everytime I see a thread about a corrupt server, it's usually about AnimaRO, but I don't remember it being corrupt. The 3 months I played Anima I found it to be really fun, and the community very friendly. The GM's never killed me either.
Anima was not always pure corruption. When did you play?
Posted on: June 19, 2007, 03:33:50 AM
Quote from: finnith on Jun 18, 2007, 02:36 PM
That's what they all say. Hell, that stupid animarotruth site said that Debbie got a sex change and became Harken.
Yes that site has some BS on it. But all the stuff you read here about Harken taking the site all for himself against the wishes of Debbies parents out of pure greed (40 grand per month), Harken being in the middle of a lawsuit filed by Debbies parents and all that stuff is all true. The stuff that Serenity, Talon and Calbee said here on this site IS true. Can I *prove* it in a setting such as this? No. No more than anyone can prove anything on line. But, you can rest assured that there is a good reason that "they all say" that anima is as corrupt as they get.
I played around February, which is when Debbie died, but I still found a good server.
If they some false information how can we trust the rest of it?
AnimaRO does, in truth, have a pretty corrupt history. I played there for more than half a year. If you're looking for a good community though, I recommend you to go there. But... in terms of favoritism, yes, they have it. Resonance (the strongest guild there) is loaded with GMs. Harken? I warn you about Harken. If you leak out ANY information about his past or corruption in the forums or anywhere, he will lay the banstick on you. No reason given.
As far as some info being false and how can you trust any of it...I don't know much about the site you mentioned (the animatruth one) so I can't say much about it. But I can assure you that what has been said here by the old anima GMs is true.
Quote from: Raiiin on Jun 21, 2007, 05:42 AM
AnimaRO does, in truth, have a pretty corrupt history. I played there for more than half a year. If you're looking for a good community though, I recommend you to go there. But... in terms of favoritism, yes, they have it. Resonance (the strongest guild there) is loaded with GMs. Harken? I warn you about Harken. If you leak out ANY information about his past or corruption in the forums or anywhere, he will lay the banstick on you. No reason given.
The last thing Pat Mackey/Harken wants is for people to know about him and his history, becuse if everyone knew less people would be likely to be playing animaRO. Awareness of his history does damage to his reputation and that is why anyone that knows anything about him or has any kind of beef with what he did is gone for good...I was one of them.
If he had shut down animaRO and started up his own thing from scratch, that would be one thing. I would probably consider playing there too if that were the case. But stealing his way to a server and back-stabbing who knows how many people in the process is another.
Someone tell me about Harekn's history. ;D
Quote from: Jayne Cobb on Jun 24, 2007, 01:29 AM
Someone tell me about Harekn's history. ;D
Hard to tell if you are serious or not, but either way Serenity and Calbee summed it up well in here. At times they were a bit harsh in their words an they are a bit biased, but the jist of what they said is 100% true.
http://ratemyserver.net/forum/server-reports/on-behalf-of-a-few-of-the-animaro-gms-i-present-you-this/0/
Quote from: BMontgomery on Jun 24, 2007, 01:58 AM
Quote from: Jayne Cobb on Jun 24, 2007, 01:29 AM
Someone tell me about Harekn's history. ;D
Hard to tell if you are serious or not, but either way Serenity and Calbee summed it up well in here. At times they were a bit harsh in their words an they are a bit biased, but the jist of what they said is 100% true.
http://ratemyserver.net/forum/server-reports/on-behalf-of-a-few-of-the-animaro-gms-i-present-you-this/0/
lol, i was just re-reading that. anyways, i thought that it was something new about him. Thanks anyways though.
Something new? Like new history? Hmmm, an oxymoron.
You play on anima right? Whats your impression?
Tie between anima and euph
I'm sorry, but i started to play Animaro few weeks ago and I really like it......Why is it a corrupted server?
There are many topics about it on this forum. Just uuse the search function.
Quote from: BMontgomery on Jun 24, 2007, 02:26 AM
You play on anima right? Whats your impression?
i could care less about the GM's, or the flaws of the server. I only play for the community
animaros history is curropt but now its fine... and surgero is VERY curroupt in a good way. a GM will make themselves spin around until they get stuck and walk upside down. and thats funny. ive seen oodles of non donors kick donors in woe (on both animaro and surgero.) also i would like to know the higest raate server for fun.
Servers only "become" corrupt by staff teams leaking information of the going ons around the place. So technically if you hire staff that know how to keep their mouths shut and just keep to what they are there for, then nobody can call your server corrupt - especially without the evidence.. but since there is none - you are kinda free from it.
Don't take this like I am a Nazi when it comes to staff - this is untrue, but on this subject, there are certain lines you just don't need to cross.
So all these servers being labeled as "corrupt", its their own fault really =\
Even if admins dont talk, if 3 guilds get owned by 1 champ in WoE who nevers runs out of yggs and never replies to any PMs and is never ever seen lvling as monk or aco or anything he just pop out of nowhere and is only on for WoE, it's suspicious (Anima).
That's just 1 example, you dont need the admins to talk to find out if they r corrupt.
Even so, without evidence there is no basis to the argument. I'm not saying that admins HAVE to talk for people to find out they are corrupt, generally thats just the way it goes.
Yay! I'm so glad I found this forum hahaha. DreamlessRO is missing from your list, my friend ^^
So then. I've tried out this server. First high rate I've even been too. It was the funnest thing I could find. And I enjoyed myself. Every WoE... Going against multiple guilds, and watching them all fail over and over again. But then.....
The gms had~ To get involved =/. Then it all went downhill from there. I couldn't believe it, but it was just all happening all so sudden, and then there was corruption left and right. Haha so sad that this "review" thing even exist.
'Cause it's time for a rude awakening for this server xP. Anyway, yea. They're biased. But was very fun at first. Hehe. Today I saw a lvl 255/1 sinx AND a lk 255/1 =x, fun eh? Enjoy the server if you can folks. It's fun at the start,
http://i12.tinypic.com/520m1eh.jpg
but in the long run, you'll truly find out the truth later on during your stay. Don't want to believe me? Go see for yourselves. At these links :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLQzcyJq2tM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIyh_m6RQyQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sZ9-lR0Frs
Yea yea, this is for you SLOW~~~~~ People. Don't want to accept these facts go TRY IT!!
Oops forgot! GM's in our emp room during WoE. BECAUSE SOME PLAYERS REPORTED US FOR "Spawn Camping" DURING WOE! HAhahah XDD. Someone PLEASE tell me how the heck can you "spawn camp".... In your OWN castle @_@
http://i7.tinypic.com/6d01y4m.jpg
Look at him, disrupting us so we can't target his guild members =x.
Best part is... He's the co-owner of the server.
http://i12.tinypic.com/6bazsk7.jpg
We even got reported for Spawn Camping during WOE on DreamlessRO! Huzzah! :D
Solution: http://i11.tinypic.com/541nm6f.jpg
LOLerskates
getting accused of spamming in WOE is funny :D
"Its called a precast"
lol
Make a search for 'animaro' and 'euphro' on the forum.
She's right
When I made this thread I thought it would be
1.AnimaRO
1. EuphRO
3.CorruptRO
4.Pre-RO
I guess they already explain it ;)
Actually they aren't explaining anything.
Quote from: Emeralda on Jun 26, 2007, 09:05 AM
Make a search for 'animaro' and 'euphro' on the forum.
Searching "animaro euphro" as keywords get me some AnimaRO corruption threads.
Searching "euphro" only gives me a bunch of complaints about events that happened on
old EuphRO. There's absolutely nothing about corruption by canadiancow or the other new staff. The staff has changed, all the crap people are complaining about is old.
Look around EuphRO's reviews. Why are there so many positive reviews? WHY?! It already went past UnityRO and is now the number 1 low rate server!
Not every1 buys the new owner thing ;D
Because they have never played on the new server.
Have you ever talked to both Adam and canadiancow? The difference is just so obvious... just by spending a day or two on #euphro is enough...
Quote from: Krystalx on Jun 27, 2007, 05:25 PM
Not every1 buys the new owner thing ;D
Mmhmm, sad but true. Some good servers now are still haunted by their past owners and/or staff teams "efforts".
It's probably the reason UnityRO still lacks players
(ZellKFF was also part of the donation pocketing in Old EuphRO, you know...)
Definitely my vote goes for AnimaRO, you guys should add twilight destiny there...
Quote from: BRabbit on Jun 28, 2007, 04:36 AM
It's probably the reason UnityRO still lacks players
(ZellKFF was also part of the donation pocketing in Old EuphRO, you know...)
400~500 players is good enough, mayb TOO good .... so oh noes we dont have 2k players ?? thank god !
Zell is no saint but he's nowhere near adam's corruption and about players quality beats quantity =) and unity got too many players for my taste so I already change servers :o
Funny, u cant miss a chance to attack unity but hey at least we arent in the list of the most corrupt servers ever lol
Euph is SO legal and got such a NEW owner you claim your server is in canada but it's in the US, add 1 point to euph's corruption ;)
Wasn't it Zell that was buying drugs for someones donation money?
What the hell? Drugs?
Nop, zell wasnt into drugs ;) he did admit that he got some money from it for his family but never for drugs. Adam used him as an excuse
Drugs is what euph's donation money buys
> Issue 1 < (http://www.stclaircollege.ca/convergence/pdf/issue1.pdf)
Scroll to page 4 and read 'Illegal Online Gaming' article.
It never says that it was zell who used such money for drugs :D and there's no proof anywhere of any kind of corruption from unityro's donation money ;)
admins and players have a diferent vision of corruption.
I think that for me as player ,i f*** DO NOT CARE about what my admin does with the donation as long as i play.
As player i will only mind his corruption if ,he gives his friends items,advantages,makes a powerfullSinX Etc
That s corruption
Donation monney? what he bought drugs and?
and euphorian claimed he was upgrading the server but it was a bunch of lies
Quote from: Krystalx on Jun 28, 2007, 10:13 AM
Euph is SO legal and got such a NEW owner you claim your server is in canada but it's in the US, add 1 point to euph's corruption ;)
We never claimed that the server is in Canada. We only claimed that the new OWNER is in Canada. Does every RO private server run on the owner's LAN?!
RRO is very corrupted
the gms give out items to their friends, GIVE GUILD LVLS, edit characters. etc etc. the head admin keeps on walking into blind relationships w/ random girls and give em gm lvls, free donation items and EVERYTHING. The mod control gm is a retard who thinks that he has every rite to break each and every rule.
which is y i got myself a perm ban from there and took half of the server w/ me, xD!
well i hafta say euphro~ i never played on anima ro
Can I ask how Pre-RO is corrupt?
Couple topics were recently created here and because it was still fresh, it ended up on the list I suppose.
I'd say EuphRO is the top of the list, but I'd add ParadiseRO to the lineup, they've gotten pretty damn bad.
Hey my name is in that article! (points to top article) go me!
Porn-RO n ROfl... the most corrupt i played so far... i quit both... i can't take it... not worth my time playin...
i know about debbie before she died cuz i was playing for a year before alot of players came to it and 1 guild was botting or hacking in woe cuz there wasn't any hits dealt to my guild when i was there so anima is the most corrupt and Kaze is a biggest fag in there he killed my wiz ALOT
What the hell is the definition of corrupt? Does it involve running a server the way it isn't supposed to be ran? Is there actually a ruleset that governs how people should run the servers? If there is, why are there always so much more players on these "corrupt" servers than these "non-corrupt" servers. Someone please help me because i'm not really understanding this topic.
PS
I voted for CorruptRO as the name makes it more corrupt than the rest for some reason. I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it's because it contains a double r's in its name.
I Gotta say OnaRO :3
lol there will almost always be corruption in RO and lots of other things because ppl can call corruption anything from a GM telling a player that he/she likes that player too a GM giving out god items
in short theres no sure way make a 100% non-corrupt server the best you can do is make sure your GMs no how to make it appear that its not because about 50% of all corruption usually starts out with a pissed off player who starts rumors and then the servers start to go down hill and the GMs stop caring about there reputation
as for servers like euphRO where it was the GMs fault that really its something that is totally up to the GMs if they want to go out that way or not
so i voted for euphRO where it was the GMs fault cause he had a choice wat to do with the donation money
Quote from: Riotblade on Aug 15, 2007, 11:20 PM
What the hell is the definition of corrupt? Does it involve running a server the way it isn't supposed to be ran? Is there actually a ruleset that governs how people should run the servers? If there is, why are there always so much more players on these "corrupt" servers than these "non-corrupt" servers. Someone please help me because i'm not really understanding this topic.
PS
I voted for CorruptRO as the name makes it more corrupt than the rest for some reason. I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it's because it contains a double r's in its name.
You have taken the words out of my mouth and posted it.
As for the EuphRO article... $250,000 to $500,000 a year, that's pretty outrageous. If my server was making that much money, I don't know what to do with that much.
i played animaro for about a year and it was fun i found heeps of good pple but then Saint Serenity told me the things going "bihind the sceans" and then he black talon and GM calbee attacked it like changing every1s password to 12345 and then they created a server called TalonRO or somthing
AnimaRO was one of the greatest server's out there until a death happened and control was changed now its completely corrupt! Also theres only 4 to choose.
It doesn't matters what a server's admin does with donation money as long as the server still runs smoothly and gets its required maintenances and upgrades. Many servers are run as investments with admins anticipating income through donations; and really who could blame them when they're the ones who made the effort to start the server. Moreover, some servers even mention in their donation pages that donations may be used for personal means. Just because a server takes donations and the admins might use some of it for another purpose than the server does not make the server corrupt.
On the other hand if a GM is giving preferential treatment to players or creating an imbalance with the game play in any way then that server is truly corrupt. This includes creating items for players, ignoring harmful bugs, enforcing rules inconsistently, or banning and censoring people unfairly.
Quote from: BMontgomery on Jun 19, 2007, 02:49 AM
Anima was not always pure corruption. When did you play?
It was always corrupted, I was there since the server barely had 100 average players... It was even created by someone who was part of another corrupted server "uRO".
Quote from: finnith on Jun 18, 2007, 02:36 PM
That's what they all say. Hell, that stupid animarotruth site said that Debbie got a sex change and became Harken.
No, PMac aka Debbie ( a male ) had or was going to have a sex change to attempt to BE with Harken. ( a male )
Edit: As for the servers listed clearly there are alot of other more corrupted servers out there, AnimaRO being #1. Speaking of AnimaRO, TalonRO should be right next to it like AnimaRO/TalonRO, since they are virtually the same server with similar staff >.> ( not sure if talonRO still lives on, quite frankly i dont care =3 )
Mewi, hmmmm , celeste hmmm where does that name remind me offff??? hmmmmmmmmm Was it on Hope ro hmmm nah, now i remember there was a mew ( celeste ) on lunaris ro what a conisidence 2 nearly this same names, could this be true?
Quote from: Mewi on Sep 18, 2007, 10:32 PM
No, PMac aka Debbie ( a male ) had or was going to have a sex change to attempt to BE with Harken. ( a male )
A sex change to BE with Harken...sexually I assume??
Now that is sick. I wonder what Harken thought about this idea.
hey if anyone want to add more to poll, can give me a list lol, this poll seems getting some attention.
Yes Toztie i think that is mewi the sub-gm/helper/answering machine/w.e koldar picked back in lunaris with mickey and some other dude from the red emblem guild...memory fading...
Quote from: yC on Sep 21, 2007, 03:49 AM
hey if anyone want to add more to poll, can give me a list lol, this poll seems getting some attention.
Yes Toztie i think that is mewi the sub-gm/helper/answering machine/w.e koldar picked back in lunaris with mickey and some other dude from the red emblem guild...memory fading...
Wasnt she that person that tried to bann you from irc? like 100 times? ;)
yes yes, but who care, it was all koldar's fault, blame everything on koldar and leave the world peaceful xD
ookaay, i thought just inform ya. I personaly wouldnt ^^
Yc your sitemap is amazing xD
To the topic
i still say anima :X simply for one reason.. All gm's chars seemed to be knowledgeable about what gear i had and when i switched to what and when and beleive i'm no battle mode noob D:
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Quote from: Mewi on Sep 18, 2007, 10:32 PM
Quote from: BMontgomery on Jun 19, 2007, 02:49 AM
Anima was not always pure corruption. When did you play?
It was always corrupted, I was there since the server barely had 100 average players... It was even created by someone who was part of another corrupted server "uRO".
Quote from: finnith on Jun 18, 2007, 02:36 PM
That's what they all say. Hell, that stupid animarotruth site said that Debbie got a sex change and became Harken.
No, PMac aka Debbie ( a male ) had or was going to have a sex change to attempt to BE with Harken. ( a male )
Edit: As for the servers listed clearly there are alot of other more corrupted servers out there, AnimaRO being #1. Speaking of AnimaRO, TalonRO should be right next to it like AnimaRO/TalonRO, since they are virtually the same server with similar staff >.> ( not sure if talonRO still lives on, quite frankly i dont care =3 )
dont put talon with anima, just cuz they got same donations doesnt mean the server is the same.
yeah talon simply split away from anima with the same DB and made his own, 100% unrelated to each other
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 13, 2007, 10:55 AM
yeah talon simply split away from anima with the same DB and made his own, 100% unrelated to each other
He also resetted everyones password to 12345, so he could copy the player accounts too. that made it easy for scammers to logg on different peoples accounts. I think thats far away from "he SIMPLY split away from anima".
Who cares?
Quote from: bensei on Oct 13, 2007, 01:29 PM
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 13, 2007, 10:55 AM
yeah talon simply split away from anima with the same DB and made his own, 100% unrelated to each other
He also resetted everyones password to 12345, so he could copy the player accounts too. that made it easy for scammers to logg on different peoples accounts. I think thats far away from "he SIMPLY split away from anima".
That was merely to secure the people's accounts, he could've done much worse like kill the entire server.
you should be glad that's all he did ....
Quote from: DeePee on Oct 14, 2007, 01:50 PM
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Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 13, 2007, 10:55 AM
yeah talon simply split away from anima with the same DB and made his own, 100% unrelated to each other
He also resetted everyones password to 12345, so he could copy the player accounts too. that made it easy for scammers to logg on different peoples accounts. I think thats far away from "he SIMPLY split away from anima".
That was merely to secure the people's accounts, he could've done much worse like kill the entire server.
Oh, so what he did wasnt as bad, because he could have done worse things?
Weird logic you guys have there.
-Doing bad things, isnt that bad, as long as you dont do the worst thing-
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Quote from: DeePee on Oct 14, 2007, 01:50 PM
Quote from: bensei on Oct 13, 2007, 01:29 PM
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 13, 2007, 10:55 AM
yeah talon simply split away from anima with the same DB and made his own, 100% unrelated to each other
He also resetted everyones password to 12345, so he could copy the player accounts too. that made it easy for scammers to logg on different peoples accounts. I think thats far away from "he SIMPLY split away from anima".
That was merely to secure the people's accounts, he could've done much worse like kill the entire server.
Oh, so what he did wasnt as bad, because he could have done worse things?
Weird logic you guys have there.
-Doing bad things, isnt that bad, as long as you dont do the worst thing-
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Quote from: bensei on Oct 14, 2007, 04:54 PM
Quote from: DeePee on Oct 14, 2007, 01:50 PM
Quote from: bensei on Oct 13, 2007, 01:29 PM
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 13, 2007, 10:55 AM
yeah talon simply split away from anima with the same DB and made his own, 100% unrelated to each other
He also resetted everyones password to 12345, so he could copy the player accounts too. that made it easy for scammers to logg on different peoples accounts. I think thats far away from "he SIMPLY split away from anima".
That was merely to secure the people's accounts, he could've done much worse like kill the entire server.
Oh, so what he did wasnt as bad, because he could have done worse things?
Weird logic you guys have there.
-Doing bad things, isnt that bad, as long as you dont do the worst thing-
I'm not saying it wasn't bad what he did. But considering how it was him who was screwed over by Harken first, it's lucky that he just did this. As said, the password changing to 12345 was just to secure the accounts. As if tons of people got scammed by this short time it was up, I don't believe that. The reason it was changed to 12345 was simply because it would take ages to generate random passwords for every account.
I don't really know, but... couldn't it be that BT didn't destroy the whole server because then he would've done something illegal, and Harken could've sued him or whatever..?
At least I think that's what I read once.. back then, when the servers split up.
Oh, and definitely, it wasn't too nice from BT to take his personal quarrelling with Harken out on the player base. And within the process of making "his" accounts more secure, he made AnimaRO's accounts much more unsecure ::)
I'm not saying, BT is a stupid guy. He's quite intelligent, and he knows (or knew) what he do (did).
That'd be a bit weird. The owner of an >>illegal<< server who sues the person destroys that server? Sure, he'd get very far ::)
And from BT's statement, he did it because he wanted to offer players a better playing environment without GM's who ban you for dumb and unreasonable reasons. About the accounts. Think about it. If he wouldn't have done it, players from aRO would of course have screwed over the tRO server. This would backfire at them though, as tRO players wouldn't be very happy about that either, making chaos on both the servers.
He said it himself too. What he did wasn't totally how he was hoping it'd happen but due to the short amount of time there was, this was in his opinion the only option.
Quote from: DeePee on Oct 15, 2007, 05:57 AM
That'd be a bit weird. The owner of an >>illegal<< server who sues the person destroys that server? Sure, he'd get very far ::)
Well, but then, where did BT (and the other anti-aROs) get the news that Harken "stole" the server from Debbie's parents and they wanted to sue him for doing this? Isn't it.. nearly the same? I think, aRO, tRO and many other servers are in a grey area - kinda, relating to the law, I think.
Quote from: DeePee on Oct 15, 2007, 05:57 AM
And from BT's statement, he did it because he wanted to offer players a better playing environment without GM's who ban you for dumb and unreasonable reasons. About the accounts. Think about it. If he wouldn't have done it, players from aRO would of course have screwed over the tRO server. This would backfire at them though, as tRO players wouldn't be very happy about that either, making chaos on both the servers.
As far as I know, it was just that >>Harken<< couldn't go to tRO and screw everything up. aRO players can STILL go to tRO and do what they want. As a player, you have access to both servers - regardless the 12345 password change.
Yeah, it's really childish just to screw up tRO because Black Talon messed up aRO a bit. But oh well, some (most?) players are childish, and the 12345 pw change didn't prevent them to do it. As far as I can remember, it was just that Harken didn't have the PWs from the database anymore. So he couldn't "hack" into some players' accounts of BT's server.
Hmm.. when I think about it, it probably was the best he did with the PW change - even if he wanted to damage the server more or not, I don't know. But you have to admit, some players didn't get their accounts back because of the eMail problem. That wasn't too nice, but - oh well - inevitable. :-\
I believe it wasn't really about stealing the server, but rather about the donation money. Not sure about this though =/ And yeah, the suing thing from the parents kinda died too apparently, probably for the same reasons that tRO wouldn't be able to get sued. It's too risky because it's involving an illegal server. Ah well, this is all just speculations and such.
And mm...yeah, you're right about the passwords thing. Anyway, if anything would've happened when he didn't change the passwords, there'd probably be 'terrorism' from both sides. Angry tRO people trying to ruin aRO and vice versa.
Well, I don't know about people not getting their accounts back. I got all 5 of my accounts back just fine, but if there's people who didn't...yeah, that's not very nice but like you said, an inevitable thing.
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I don't really know, but... couldn't it be that BT didn't destroy the whole server because then he would've done something illegal, and Harken could've sued him or whatever..?
At least I think that's what I read once.. back then, when the servers split up.
Oh, and definitely, it wasn't too nice from BT to take his personal quarrelling with Harken out on the player base. And within the process of making "his" accounts more secure, he made AnimaRO's accounts much more unsecure ::)
I'm not saying, BT is a stupid guy. He's quite intelligent, and he knows (or knew) what he do (did).
He just didnt destroy it because it would have probably ruined his whole image (more than it is already) i guess.
he wanted to copy the player database, and aros modified items, and he did so. He is making money of what others did (with him) (guess what was up as one of the first things? The item shop, lolololol~)
Just a assumption tho.
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He just didnt destroy it because it would have probably ruined his whole image (more than it is already) i guess.
Knowing BT I think he could care less about his image.
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he wanted to copy the player database, and aros modified items, and he did so. He is making money of what others did (with him) (guess what was up as one of the first things? The item shop, lolololol~)
Without him, aRO would have never gotten this big. They'd still be having episode 10.2 and missing lots of things. Even if he wants to make money of it? What do you think aRO wants with it?
Consider this topic locked as well. I don't want debates sprouting up in this topic.