I was browsing some servers, and came across one that I had been tols steals things from other servers, so I went in to check it out. They in fact DO steal. They took my pimp hat sprite that was meant only to be ued by my server and PimpRO (the people I made it for). This pisses me off greatly and I hope other people will look down on them for doing such things as well.
pay me 50$ and i destroy that hosts bank account and his money balancing olol
it's really hard to stop stealing, sad to hear that. i think ppl just do whatever with whatever sprites they got from random servers without knowing who made them and was it meant to be used by others ...
Yeah the thing is that unless they stole it about 6 months ago, they would have stolen it knowingly. The installer with my exclusive stuff has a serial code, and they have to get the link to it from me. So they probably "hacked" it or something unless they got it a while back. But I was on their site not long ago and they didn't have it. So I dunno. Still lame :( but at least they didn't steal more as far as i know.
Well, items are extremely easy to get. Those with your serial code could be passing the files around the internet like Sumsum with girls. It does suck to have your stuff stolen but I don't think there's a way to fight it. You can always try contacting the owner and see if he/she will comply but that usually never works. Best if you raised a mob of 2.5k citizens and marched for your rights.
well the people i gave the serial numbers are old old players of mine who really enjoy our server. so if they want to be banned that's cool too ;p
but but... isn't that after installation all the files are on the player's computer and that's freely accessable and usable by the player including sending/sharing with other ppl? =/
i feel sorry for you Usako, i just read in that they "copyrighted" THEIR files ... so did you try to pm the owner etc in their forum and see what they say?
yc no double posting...
i'm getting a headache
Also, unless they paid for legal copyrights, their copyright means squat. Also, they can't copyright files that they did not make and everybody in the world knows they did not make those sprites.
So if JynxRO is going to act up like this, I suggest that they get blacklisted from all RO sites.
Quote from: yC on Aug 16, 2006, 11:52 PM
but but... isn't that after installation all the files are on the player's computer and that's freely accessable and usable by the player including sending/sharing with other ppl? =/
i feel sorry for you Usako, i just read in that they "copyrighted" THEIR files ... so did you try to pm the owner etc in their forum and see what they say?
not if you put it in your terms of service that the things are only to be used for personal use or through our server and not on any other server :)
i've tried PMing them before. they never answered. i think actually they're one of the people that banned me from their forums :p
Quote from: yC on Aug 16, 2006, 11:52 PM
but but... isn't that after installation all the files are on the player's computer and that's freely accessable and usable by the player including sending/sharing with other ppl? =/
by that i just mean u can't do nothing about them when they are at their comp ... obviously they are breaking your rules / agreements by sending/sharing with others but there's just nothing you can do to stop them and they wouldn't care once they get their hands on your pack...
Yeah but servers like that shouldn't be allowed on RMS. That's basically my point.
=x that bites
If servers take things from other servers they should give credit or if they don't know who made what at least say we didn't make this whoever made it did a nice job, etc
That's really lame when a server steals ideas/sprites.. etc from another, without giving any credit to the server they stole it from.
I'll be sure to avoid this server. ;)
well...yeah it's bad enough he didn't give credit...but it's also the fact he stole straight from my patch...it's not something i released publicly :p
iv noticed this for quite some time. In most cases the server owner simply ignores anyone who calls him on stealing. the players who do play on there believe they make the sprites themselves and will deny anyone to tells them otherwise. sadly theres not much you can do since grf's cant be protected(at least, as far as i know).
well.. a while back ago one the eathena forums i saw a tutorial.. a tutorial on how to make the Pimp hat..
if i made my own vr which happens to look like it or just like it.. you would complain about that?
and another thing, if you were banned from the forums its because of false or flaming problems..
Jynx does reply, "SHE" (not he) does not ignore to the truth.. she has nothing to hide.. her husband vash is the one who mainly makes sprites..
and btw.. do any of you read the jynx online forums to understand what is going on? you think they steal.. are you sure your getting ALL your information right? are you sure your accurate? Jynx online was what number 1 on Rate my server wasnt it?
could there happen to be any sort of jealousy that you NOW do something about the pimp hat situation when you couldve done something a long time ago about it... there is no pimp hat seen on jynx online anyways....
it's misunderstanding how you say jynx online has a pimp hat on there if you have not seen it and nor have i..
did you happen to just save from a long time ago that you thought jynx online stole the pimp hat and you were waiting for the perfect time to "bring them down"
in order to have 2 sides, there needs to be 2 clients evidence..
are you only targetting jynx online and not endless ro or hidden ro for not creditting you either if or any?
and btw. for ratemyserver... it was never said by vash to use proxies on ratemyserver to submit more than 1 review...
and right her on http://s12.invisionfree.com/Jynx/index.php?showtopic=2958 it says the truth.. it has not been edited whatsoever.
feedback anyone ?
p.s. any of the gms you pm on the forums will try to reply.. it may take awhile but they do apply... ive never once gotten a miss replied pm
I got a question to ask you guys.
If you claim you dont use "eAthena, Fraya, Aegis" then what do you use?
Your site lists atcommands specific to eA and Freya, exactly as they were made. I also notice that your servers features are implemented as soon as eA has "functionable" versions.
Also, you claim that "all the items are copyrighted through the US legal system". Some items were made decades before JynxRO even started. Can you really say you've made all 200 items by yourself?
So my question is, WHAT do you use then?
vash has made a totally custom one that nobody else uses..
i dont know the name because i keep forgetting to ask.. but no other server has it because vash made it..
**Edit**
do you happen to know who made Freya?
im sure Vash can answer that
No, he didn't. You still have to work off of a core. If he "made it", then he wouldn't be retaining the features that eAthena has. Besides, modifying the source by 2% doesn't give you the right to call it your own.
If you still say im a liar, and i cant blame you, i will go ask vash, or have him come here and tell you what it is.
as for updates.. jynx online doesnt have Ice dungeon or that rachal town..
they dont use iro.. they use kro. but once 100% custom, there wont be a thing of ragnarok..
as told by mutliples..
**edit**
well while im trying to reach him, people have been discussing about this problem of RMS taking down JO
and well.. vash had put a picture up that is from iosro.
she has the yuno helm correct -as shown on pic-
it was claimed that farto made it -JO gm exstaff member-
so what exactly is going on here? even jynx said she's going to let usako slide through that..
i really think this is nonsense, it shouldve just been dropped and not talk to each other or have any fueds but seeing this posted up it realyl irritates players..
is she mad because -last looked- theres nobody on her server? or something like that?
correct me if im wrong please
one more thing .. lol
http://iosro.files.deltaanime.net/images/fullpatch/allheadgears.jpg
**Edit 2 **
http://ratemyserver.net/TOS_owner.html
"-Server owners caught providing incentives to players to write a good review of their servers will have their servers suspended from the listing. "
-after "you will maintain good sportsmanship"
jynx had done an event asking players to write a nice review.
"3. Write a nice review of Jynx-Online under your character name" - from http://s12.invisionfree.com/Jynx/index.php?showtopic=2958
its not expected for the players to write a nice review.. ive seen multiple players "hating" on it with a few reviews, and guess what jynx did? replied to it with the truth or in a respectable manner..
am i wrong?
**Edit3**
and this is from a player who played other servers -still checking if those items are on those servers-
post from player named icon091 on the forums, -this information has not been edited.. all copied from him-
"1. Items
When I looked upon Usako's site, I went in the custom items section. There I saw lots of item that wasnt custom and was released by eAthena. Examples : The Gift Boxes was released when I was still playing, LLRO, in the year 2004, The Santa Suit was released when I was still playing, AeRo, year 2001, Crown of Osiris was released since Osiris was in Online! The Dyes have been there along time also, the Chonchon Poo hat is just the Poopoo hat with the face in it. Theres no difference! Thats not even a custom item."
as for Vash, he isnt using EA,Freya,or whichever you have just called
-this is also unedited- i tell the truth and from information i get.. i am talking to him on msn as we speak
this is our conversation
"Eryk says:
what are you using for jynx online right now ?
Eryk says:
okay ?
Vash says:
the core is not made from anything related to RO
Eryk says:
okay
Vash says:
it's a completely legal binding server files
Vash says:
the server has same commands as eA"
Hmm, well since Jynx is not being allowed to sign up or post on the forums, i will add everything she said in our forums. It really is a shame that other "competition" would go as far as making stuff up just because Jynx Online is doing so well... but like Jynx says at the end of her post, 100% custom isnt far off, and Jynx will no longer be on RO rating sites. 1 more thing, I had never even heard of RMS until i joined Jynx online, and they should be happy she brought so many people to this rating site. ok, heres the link to her post :
http://s12.invisionfree.com/Jynx/index.php?showtopic=3568&st=0
Biased? It's not our decision. There were enough proof and complaints that were sent to us. She has a chance of being relisted, we already went over that. The condition for that happening is to provide more solid proofs. She told us that she got the items from some japanese site but did not provide the link, just some images.
Stop blaming us when we're giving you a chance.
Quotedo you happen to know who made Freya?
im sure Vash can answer that
Yes, Yor did. He still pops into the eAthena channel once in a while.
its obvious Cherry here doesnt know what he is talking about. Go to the offical eathena board, and just type in Usako, The sheer ammount of customs she has made will tell you otherwise. i would say about half of her sprites are unreleased, therefore if she found her sprites on jynx that means they stole it. End of discussion.
As for jynx not useing a "ro core" im going to call bs. Jynx is still Ro therefore it has a ro core, no matter what way you look at it, it is useing ro based sprites,classes ect.
Quote from: Kain on Sep 25, 2006, 08:31 PM
its obvious Cherry here doesnt know what he is talking about. Go to the offical eathena board, and just type in Usako, The sheer ammount of customs she has made will tell you otherwise. i would say about half of her sprites are unreleased, therefore if she found her sprites on jynx that means they stole it. End of discussion.
As for jynx not useing a "ro core" im going to call bs. Jynx is still Ro therefore it has a ro core, no matter what way you look at it, it is useing ro based sprites,classes ect.
im sorry buddy but thats where your wrong, Jynx Online does not call itself Jynx RO ... its Jynx Online..
vash said hit himself how he runs it for Jynx... if you have further questions about that, then talk to Vash on msn or pm him on the forums...
as for freya.. are you sure about that ?
i never said it was called "Jynx Ro" they can call themselfs whatever they want. the simple fact is its still running off a ro based format. heres my point. If i take Doom remove the models and replace them with cardboard box's it still is the doom engine.
We are also straying off the topic of jynx stealing or not.
First off. What the f*** is a Juno Helm? I'm about 100% sure I didn't take credit for it though.
Second, I didn't claim credit for those sprites.
Third: Why are you talking about gift boxes? Do you mean the things in my "Custom DB" page? if so, that page is reading from my item DB2, with no exceptions. The gift box of which you speak is a quest item we put in (it is not a usable gift box like in gravity...it's just a blank item).
Crown of osiris, I also didn't claim credit for, but it is not an original headgear in RO. Someone took a couple views off osiris, and sprited it themself, then released it.
Chon Chon Poo, again I didn't claim credit for it. And just because it's the same type of headgear doesn't make it the same exact thing. Even if it's edited it is customized. Please read the definition of customize.
Yes, most of the sprites on my server are from eAthena. Some are also not. I have released my things on eAthena as well.
I am the f*** moderator of the graphics section of eAthena. There is NO guide about how to make a pimp hat. there never was. I would know -_-
and actually i do see the pimp hat on the server. And on their site under the custom items. Kthnx. It wasn't there about 7 montha ago though.
If those other servers have stolen things too, I wouldn't mind having them taken down.
And for the record I could care less how many players I have. WE've been running for 2 years with the same amount of people on average. If I cared I would have gone off and played a large server and left mine to die. My server is a place for me and my boyfriend to enjoy and work on together in our free time. I hate when people try to ruin that for us and make false claims about us.
And yes we're sure about Yor creating freya. And now Mikeyboy is running it I believe.
Quote from: Kain on Sep 25, 2006, 08:37 PM
i never said it was called "Jynx Ro" they can call themselfs whatever they want. the simple fact is its still running off a ro based format. heres my point. If i take Doom remove the models and replace them with cardboard box's it still is the doom engine.
We are also straying off the topic of jynx stealing or not.
do you know the goals of jynx online ?
Ok, I do understand your point. You have to check things out when they are reported. But like Zen and others (on the Jynx Online forums) stated, the "stolen" sprites were also found on other sites, some of which had tutorials on how to make them. And the worse thing is that u-psycho (usako) didnt even go to Jynx personally, which seems kindof suspicious. I understand also that you need proof, but shouldn't you require it from both sides? What has usako given that proves she's telling the truth? Innocent until proven guilty doesnt hold true here I guess...
P.s. These are my thoughts and I speak for myself only.
Quote from: Rageful Zen on Sep 25, 2006, 08:34 PM
Quote from: Kain on Sep 25, 2006, 08:31 PM
its obvious Cherry here doesnt know what he is talking about. Go to the offical eathena board, and just type in Usako, The sheer ammount of customs she has made will tell you otherwise. i would say about half of her sprites are unreleased, therefore if she found her sprites on jynx that means they stole it. End of discussion.
As for jynx not useing a "ro core" im going to call bs. Jynx is still Ro therefore it has a ro core, no matter what way you look at it, it is useing ro based sprites,classes ect.
im sorry buddy but thats where your wrong, Jynx Online does not call itself Jynx RO ... its Jynx Online..
vash said hit himself how he runs it for Jynx... if you have further questions about that, then talk to Vash on msn or pm him on the forums...
as for freya.. are you sure about that ?
Yes, I am 100% sure about that.
Quote from: Rageful Zen on Sep 25, 2006, 08:40 PM
Quote from: Kain on Sep 25, 2006, 08:37 PM
i never said it was called "Jynx Ro" they can call themselfs whatever they want. the simple fact is its still running off a ro based format. heres my point. If i take Doom remove the models and replace them with cardboard box's it still is the doom engine.
We are also straying off the topic of jynx stealing or not.
do you know the goals of jynx online ?
why would i care about their goals. unless he Codes the entire engine from scrach it is still ro in some form.
Quote from: BlackCherryOk, I do understand your point. You have to check things out when they are reported. But like Zen and others (on the Jynx Online forums) stated, the "stolen" sprites were also found on other sites, some of which had tutorials on how to make them. And the worse thing is that u-psycho (usako) didnt even go to Jynx personally, which seems kindof suspicious. I understand also that you need proof, but shouldn't you require it from both sides? What has usako given that proves she's telling the truth? Innocent until proven guilty doesnt hold true here I guess...
P.s. These are my thoughts and I speak for myself only.
Bashing usako for defending her work is both moronic and worng.
and she did say they never responded to her questions.
Quote from: Usako on Sep 25, 2006, 08:39 PM
First off. What the f*ck is a Juno Helm? I'm about 100% sure I didn't take credit for it though.
Second, I didn't claim credit for those sprites.
Third: Why are you talking about gift boxes? Do you mean the things in my "Custom DB" page? if so, that page is reading from my item DB2, with no exceptions. The gift box of which you speak is a quest item we put in (it is not a usable gift box like in gravity...it's just a blank item).
Crown of osiris, I also didn't claim credit for, but it is not an original headgear in RO. Someone took a couple views off osiris, and sprited it themself, then released it.
Chon Chon Poo, again I didn't claim credit for it. And just because it's the same type of headgear doesn't make it the same exact thing. Even if it's edited it is customized. Please read the definition of customize.
Yes, most of the sprites on my server are from eAthena. Some are also not. I have released my things on eAthena as well.
I am the f*cking moderator of the graphics section of eAthena. There is NO guide about how to make a pimp hat. there never was. I would know -_-
and actually i do see the pimp hat on the server. And on their site under the custom items. Kthnx. It wasn't there about 7 montha ago though.
If those other servers have stolen things too, I wouldn't mind having them taken down.
And for the record I could care less how many players I have. WE've been running for 2 years with the same amount of people on average. If I cared I would have gone off and played a large server and left mine to die. My server is a place for me and my boyfriend to enjoy and work on together in our free time. I hate when people try to ruin that for us and make false claims about us.
And yes we're sure about Yor creating freya. And now Mikeyboy is running it I believe.
i have never heard jynx say that she took credit for the pimp hat..
and even today, the pimp hat is no in jynx online.. go check if you like...
if proved correct, please let there be tranquility and just live our normal happy days with no fueding against each other, you wont even have to talk to us and we wont have to talk to you.. this is just nonsense, a lot of viewers thinks its nonsense seeing to servers do this..
i saw that your a .. graphics moderator. that must be apretty nifty job.. as for me im in the web design and junks..
anyways, vash said that he did get a pimp hat a long time ago from a guy, wasnt sure if it was his but there is no pimp hat on Jynx Online
Quote from: Riotblade on Sep 25, 2006, 08:41 PM
Quote from: Rageful Zen on Sep 25, 2006, 08:34 PM
Quote from: Kain on Sep 25, 2006, 08:31 PM
its obvious Cherry here doesnt know what he is talking about. Go to the offical eathena board, and just type in Usako, The sheer ammount of customs she has made will tell you otherwise. i would say about half of her sprites are unreleased, therefore if she found her sprites on jynx that means they stole it. End of discussion.
As for jynx not useing a "ro core" im going to call bs. Jynx is still Ro therefore it has a ro core, no matter what way you look at it, it is useing ro based sprites,classes ect.
im sorry buddy but thats where your wrong, Jynx Online does not call itself Jynx RO ... its Jynx Online..
vash said hit himself how he runs it for Jynx... if you have further questions about that, then talk to Vash on msn or pm him on the forums...
as for freya.. are you sure about that ?
Yes, I am 100% sure about that.
duuno if i double posted... he
but anyways. did the person who wrote freya make it 6~7 years ago ?
By the way, if you believe Vash is the creator of Freya, look up his posts on eathena.ws. Yes, he's the same Vash that runs your server. How do I know? He just posted on a topic there regarding Jynx Online. Oh wait, if he is the almighty creator of Freya, why are there so many topics of him... no you go figure it out.
Also, since you just posted a new post.
6-7 Years ago Ragnarok was not even out. The first trace of Freya was by Yor who adapted it from an early version of eAthena. Why the name Freya you ask? Because Freya is the nordic goddess of fertility. Athena is the greek goddess of wisdom and war. What's the relation? Go figure.
also even Usako says:
"And just because it's the same type of headgear doesn't make it the same exact thing. Even if it's edited it is customized. Please read the definition of customize."
Maybe someone else customized her sprites, and Jynx found those..
Quote from: Riotblade on Sep 25, 2006, 08:48 PM
By the way, if you believe Vash is the creator of Freya, look up his posts on eathena.ws. Yes, he's the same Vash that runs your server. How do I know? He just posted on a topic there regarding Jynx Online. Oh wait, if he is the almighty creator of Freya, why are there so many topics of him... no you go figure it out.
Also, since you just posted a new post.
6-7 Years ago Ragnarok was not even out. The first trace of Freya was by Yor who adapted it from an early version of eAthena. Why the name Freya you ask? Because Freya is the nordic goddess of fertility. Athena is the greek goddess of wisdom and war. What's the relation? Go figure.
well, vash says it himself that he wrote freya, with some help, but vash had started on it.. dont know the deails but thatst what he says.
I didn't go to jynx (i don't think anyway, I may have), I went to vash. He will claim that I didn't though. I don't appreciate being called a psycho, when you haven't been involved in this.
I have been watching jynx online for at least 7 months when ancyker reported that they were copyrighting my sprites.
they are not modified versions of my sprites. they are exactly the same....
Quote from: Usako on Sep 25, 2006, 08:53 PM
I didn't go to jynx (i don't think anyway, I may have), I went to vash. He will claim that I didn't though. I don't appreciate being called a psycho, when you haven't been involved in this.
I have been watching jynx online for at least 7 months when ancyker reported that they were copyrighting my sprites.
they are not modified versions of my sprites. they are exactly the same....
and you know baka stole from Jynx?
well usako when you post in a public place, you involve everyone ..
baka didn't steal from jynx. ancyker got the sprites from ME. or at least the ones i made.
Quote from: Rageful Zen on Sep 25, 2006, 08:52 PM
Quote from: Riotblade on Sep 25, 2006, 08:48 PM
By the way, if you believe Vash is the creator of Freya, look up his posts on eathena.ws. Yes, he's the same Vash that runs your server. How do I know? He just posted on a topic there regarding Jynx Online. Oh wait, if he is the almighty creator of Freya, why are there so many topics of him... no you go figure it out.
Also, since you just posted a new post.
6-7 Years ago Ragnarok was not even out. The first trace of Freya was by Yor who adapted it from an early version of eAthena. Why the name Freya you ask? Because Freya is the nordic goddess of fertility. Athena is the greek goddess of wisdom and war. What's the relation? Go figure.
well, vash says it himself that he wrote freya, with some help, but vash had started on it.. dont know the deails but thatst what he says.
Dude, he didn't. You're being completely lied to. Just read some of his posts on eAthena (HE'S THE SAME VASH). They'll tell you why he doesn't have the knowledge of starting it 6-7 years ago. Freya is 100% based off of eAthena. You know how I know? Because I was around when Yor made Freya. Even the config files are the same. Stop being so stubborn. I dont have any alliances in this argument but once I see a lie, I have to say something about it.
Quote from: Usako on Sep 25, 2006, 08:56 PM
baka didn't steal from jynx. ancyker got the sprites from ME. or at least the ones i made.
And she is telling the truth. I've seen Usako making items for over a year. Ancyker has been with eAthena for well over a year as well. Usako is a honest person, let me tell you this. More arguments over something so trivial can be avoided with the proper research.
Yeah, Kittomi is right. And like Jynx said, we dont want to be associated with anything ro anymore anyways..
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 25, 2006, 09:00 PM
I think this whole thing is stupid its a GAME people, only a game nothing to get all bent out of shape over.
quit all this arguement and get on with your lives.
Quite true. However, have you ever made something and someone else claimed it as their own? That brings it beyond the game.
Quote from: Riotblade on Sep 25, 2006, 08:57 PM
Quote from: Rageful Zen on Sep 25, 2006, 08:52 PM
Quote from: Riotblade on Sep 25, 2006, 08:48 PM
By the way, if you believe Vash is the creator of Freya, look up his posts on eathena.ws. Yes, he's the same Vash that runs your server. How do I know? He just posted on a topic there regarding Jynx Online. Oh wait, if he is the almighty creator of Freya, why are there so many topics of him... no you go figure it out.
Also, since you just posted a new post.
6-7 Years ago Ragnarok was not even out. The first trace of Freya was by Yor who adapted it from an early version of eAthena. Why the name Freya you ask? Because Freya is the nordic goddess of fertility. Athena is the greek goddess of wisdom and war. What's the relation? Go figure.
well, vash says it himself that he wrote freya, with some help, but vash had started on it.. dont know the deails but thatst what he says.
Dude, he didn't. You're being completely lied to. Just read some of his posts on eAthena (HE'S THE SAME VASH). They'll tell you why he doesn't have the knowledge of starting it 6-7 years ago. Freya is 100% based off of eAthena. You know how I know? Because I was around when Yor made Freya. Even the config files are the same. Stop being so stubborn. I dont have any alliances in this argument but once I see a lie, I have to say something about it.
Quote from: Usako on Sep 25, 2006, 08:56 PM
baka didn't steal from jynx. ancyker got the sprites from ME. or at least the ones i made.
And she is telling the truth. I've seen Usako making items for over a year. Ancyker has been with eAthena for well over a year as well. Usako is a honest person, let me tell you this. More arguments over something so trivial can be avoided with the proper research.
im not really talking about sprites and junk...
the baka used to work for jynx and vash and the people were like "hey lets go make our own server with this"
-bloop- server....
anyways.. call me a lier.. but the players are getting sick and tired of this and theyre telling me to stop trying to fix things..
if you guys want to claim wahtever.. pm jynx telling her which items and such... but please dont call her a stealer..
if you have any problems, im really hoping you will say "those arent tyour items, please take them off"
if jynx wont respond send a pm on the forusms to Soulx.. that would be and ill talk/ask jynx about the items..
i really hope you can drop this subject and move on..
players keep telling me to get off RMS and get back onto jynx online.. but im just trying to make this for the good.
i hope you understand, right ?
quoted from eAthena. my nice long post in reply to theirs:
QuoteI dont feel I should have to defend myself against net-felons like these. But I shall anyway, for any of those who may doubt me.
QuoteAlso, I have laughed at this Usako person for about a year now. Because we have had EVERY sprite she has ever claimed to make in our game LONG before she says she made them. She downloaded them from the same place we did, or stole them from our server back when our files were not protected.
How is this possible? I visited Jynx about 7 months ago, and they did not have my sprites. Now they do. My sprites were made OVER a year ago. Also she said she had never heard of me...so why has she been laughing at me for a year? It's more like my sprites were stolen back when MY files weren't protected (which now they are...and by the way. their files AREN'T protected).
QuoteThis is this Usakos server IOSRO. I would love to state where each and every one of the sprites she has custom came from so ask Ill give where their listed. She hasnt made but one or two of them, and they were things like the halo without a line in it and so on. She even has a sprite our EX GM Farto made months ago, and claims she made it. But hey did I go and say "MY STAFF MADE THOSE TAKE THEM OFF YOUR THE WORSE SERVER EVER" nope I didnt.
Actually I already state on my server who made each and every sprite (http://www.iosro.deltaanime.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=577) (I admit it needs updating for more recent changes/updates. I lazy to do the formatting. Sue me ;p But the one in my installer is up to date (p.s. please excuse my forum link -_-)). If I don't know who made them, I put unknown. If I was stealing credit for sprites, why wouldn't I for all of them. I would love to know which exact sprite he thinks his ex-GM made. He made it months ago eh? I haven't made any headgears for months as well. Most of my headgears are from when my server opened TWO YEARS ago. I may have made a couple sprite edits that have been done before (ex. halo without the stick) but I can assure you I did the edits 100% on my own.
QuoteAlso a note, my sprite for the sprites she is claiming does NOT have her little gay credit in them at all. She puts a note at the end of each of her sprites as noticed as I went to eathena (for the first time in about a year) and downloaded some of her things that she is claiming. All her sprites would have this wouldnt they especially if they are "exculsive" Well my sprites for each of these do not have note at the end of them.
Why don't they have the gcredit? Because before I publicly released my sprites, I didn't put the credit on them. Why have a credit/watermark on a sprite that would only be on my own server? Those sprites were taken from my patch and distributed on some site, which pisses me off a lot. It happened a long time ago though, and there's nothing I can do about it.
I would love to point out this fact. please refer to the site they claim to have gotten my sprites from. http://www.ragcan.com/ori.html (http://www.ragcan.com/ori.html)
take a look at the images jynx gave.
http://i10.tinypic.com/2yoae08.jpg (http://i10.tinypic.com/2yoae08.jpg)
http://i10.tinypic.com/4i1jq0n.jpg (http://i10.tinypic.com/4i1jq0n.jpg)
they are FABRICATED. where they have put my sprites in their images, there were other sprites.
The text on those sprites are exactly the same. only the images are changed. also, all the sprites around them are the same. the only difference is that the sprites that were originally there, aren't, and they pasted the images of mine in.
This pisses me off greatly. I have never been accused of ripping someone else's work. I have never taken credit for something I didn't make. I have only taken PARTIAL credit for things I HELPED make.
I would like to point out one last thing. I was doing alittle spy work on their server in the past couple days (to dig up evidence on them). Guess what I saw:
(http://usako.files.deltaanime.net/images/jynxsteals.jpg)
You may recognize these. If you don't, please take a look here: http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?show...c=36449&hl= (http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?showtopic=36449&hl=)
See those top wings? Yeah. I have been in contact with Zarcon, the creator of the sprite, and he never released those wings. When I viewed the side/diagonal views on Jynx's server, they were very unclean and pixelated. I know zarcon would never let that fly in one of his sprites. My conclusion? Someone ripped the front view, and resized them for the side/diagonal views. They have the pink ones on there as well, but I didn't catch a screenshot. I doubt they've even given credit.
In conclusion, the admins of jynxRO are big jokes. They also claim to have an all original server software.
QuoteCompletely unique server files ( not run on eathena, fraya, or aegis )
(lol they can't spell freya....)
But, look at something else in their info.
Quote@commands << To see all your commands
@go
@warp
@storage
@COMMANDS?! Those are only available in eA or freya. I doubt they made their atcommands all by themselves ;p
here is their custom item page by the way. i'm pretty sure none of this was made by them...and i dont see any credits, nor did i see credits in their client files. nor on their forums.
another funny thing (now i'm just having fun making fun of them) they dont even have an autopatcher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LAWLZ!
Okay I'm done. If you want to believe them go ahead. Make my day (It will have made my day to see someone idiodic enough ;p)
http://jynx-online.net/CustomItems.htm (http://jynx-online.net/CustomItems.htm)
I would also like to point to the post vash made, showing this image:
http://iosro.files.deltaanime.net/images/fullpatch/allheadgears.jpg
I would love for him to point out where exactly i said I made all those. I have a whole post on my forum giving credits to every spriter that made these things. It's also in my installer. I see nowhere that says "I made every sprite on my server. Praise me."
By juno helm i guess you meant geffen helm. And actually, MANY people have made that sprite. I can guaruntee that it wasn't farto that made the one I'm using. Someone had posted all the views of it on aegis a while back. I emailed the guy and asked if I could make act files for his sprites. He said yes, and I did. He has been given credit for the sprite. I have been given credit for the ACT file.
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I have more evidence for you.
http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?showtopic=95831&hl=
This post. Vash is the topic orignator, posting a sprite he made. I am not going to say he didn't make it, because honestly I don't know. It's possible he did, it's possible he didn't. Now look a few posts down. "DivineJynx". Coincidence? I think not.
Now I must look at Vash's other posts. So far I have read he doesn't know PHP. Also it said that on May 12, 2006 he posted a support question, asking how to make GM accounts after having upgraded to SQL from TXT. This is proof that he is using eAthena. I am not sure why people can still believe the lies they are telling. I guess it's all about familiarity. You guys have been playing there, and want to believ
Also Vash was viewing the post about jynx online (the one that i crossposted to here). It's quite obvious even there. After I posted "so vash, we know you're reading this. why not just say hello ;p it's obvious you are the same vash, after reading all your posts." he left the topic, or at least made himself invisible.
think of it this way kitto.
you spend hours upon hours of time working on makeing sprites you think would look good on your server. then when your done someone steals them, claims they made them and give no credit to the orginal author.
now wouldnt you be angry? I know I would.
Rageful Zen, tired of trying to fix things? Once again, I have no affiliations with ANY servers but Vash is smearing Yor's name.
Also, Usako made those sprites. She didn't steal them for the very last time. I admire your loyalty to Jynx Online, but there are certain truths that need not be overlooked.
Quote from: Kain on Sep 25, 2006, 09:20 PM
think of it this way kitto.
you spend hours upon hours of time working on makeing sprites you think would look good on your server. then when your done someone steals them, claims they made them and give no credit to the orginal author.
now wouldnt you be angry? I know I would.
get angry... then pm them, iftheyre unreasonable.. move on.. you can always have the original... you know very well theres a possible way to make an original..
copy into a cd, date it, envelope it, mail it, never open it until you need to get evidence.. if any serious crimes happen like alawsuit and you go to a courtm you have an actual evidence..
simple like that, staring at someone else server is just ... well.. boring, none of us do it..
if your sick of someone taking your junk, protect it.. simple as that... move on, be happy... make sure nobody can steal nothing, improvision...
i just want to drop the suject.
my main goal was to settle this, not to get jynx online back on the list.
Quote from: Riotblade on Sep 25, 2006, 09:20 PM
Rageful Zen, tired of trying to fix things? Once again, I have no affiliations with ANY servers but Vash is smearing Yor's name.
Also, Usako made those sprites. She didn't steal them for the very last time. I admire your loyalty to Jynx Online, but there are certain truths that need not be overlooked.
i play jynx online everyday... it wouldnt neccessarily mean im loyal.. just no other server i like.. they have what i like... all combine whatsoever.. i came originally from IRO, then went to NLRO... didnt like it.. stayed there for about 5 months then transfered to other private servers.. jynx online is the only server ive been on the longest.. i love to help developing servers.. im a somewhat web designer, not good but i never refreshin my skills.. check the jynx-online.net flash banner at top left.. cool hu? i thought it was good for a beginner.. it was just a random thing.. it gave me something to to do as a fresh beginner.. i protected it with a password..
every file made should be protected...
i just want to drop this topic...
i dont want people to think of jynx online as a bad server because people will leave, then jynx cant keep the server up, then ill have nothing to play but starcraft and silly ole GunZ online
*EDIT*
With careful research, we can conclude Kittomi is 133talchemist.
There's a high possibility that 133talchemist is Jynx.
Therefore, I'm going to open this topic once again.
BTW, Damien from Jynx Online Forums
Quote
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------o_o..lol? xD that guy is dumb..>_> we all should go post and screw those b*tches :3
I wonder who's truly dumb. I'll let the beholder figure that out. Maybe with a little research, you'll find out.
Which means I'm taking my turn on this. If this is trully a GAME, as you call, may you answer these questions please?:
1) Why do you want the scripts you receive as donations be PM'ed instead of posting? Scripts are under GPL, due that eAthena is under GPL aswell, but removing the credits isn't (Violation of licences is illegal). Anyway, who would "steal" a custom npc anyway? Releasing it voids already the steal part. So what are you really trying to do, hide the fact that you guys actually run eAthena? To hide the fact that you can call the scripts "your own" once you get it because no one has trully seen the script before? C'mon...
Also a quote:
Quote from: SoulXsend the script to jynx not post here, or someone can take it... then claim it..
you know how that is... it sucks
http://s12.invisionfree.com/Jynx/index.php?showtopic=3108&view=findpost&p=72585332) Do you guys have some kind of policy where all the facts against your "lies" have to be deleted? I include here the one where Damien abused of a player and 2 other players helped on it to cover it (Player is Click/The Last Hope) and the topic named "Bots?" where it said that Jynx is fed up of eAthena, that she won't reply there not even by chance. What about Vash then? He does browse eAthena, he does ask questions (that, for being a "developer of his own server" sounds too noobish for me:
http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=7ba741bbbb982827f03a0556af7e2c53&search_in=posts&result_type=posts ) and he does reads our comments (He removed the same siggy quote he has on Jynx forum to prevent any linkage of him with his server).
3) How come you have the same scripting engine as eA if you guys say your server software is completely unique?
Failure to answer or avoidance will tell us that we're right, aswell as I was on the topic that you guys deleted, and which I took screenie of before its deletion:
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7399/wutevawm6.png
Oh, thanks riot for opening this topic again. I was having internet problem yesterday didnt get to answer some question and point out the obvious. I'll state my point here.
btw, i forseek the topic http://s12.invisionfree.com/Jynx/index.php?showtopic=3568 on jynx forum will be removed very soon.
[Edit: as we speak, their forum is gone for some reason, don't worry, i have a copy here, 100% uneditted, if u read it before in their forum, u know it's true, http://ratemyserver.org/jynx.txt, it will be save from removal until Jynx copyright it ... BUT hey my email is in there too, well she got her ways just like with copyrighting the sprites of others IF any)]
Quote from: Rageful Zen on Sep 25, 2006, 05:54 PM
and btw. for ratemyserver... it was never said by vash to use proxies on ratemyserver to submit more than 1 review...
and right her on http://s12.invisionfree.com/Jynx/index.php?showtopic=2958 it says the truth.. it has not been edited whatsoever.
feedback anyone ?
Well, too bad I came a step too late again. That topic in Jynx Forum has been removed as of now. But I will show you the screenshots I took before I issue the charge on Jynx-Online about the cheating. I took them as proof of the charge so they can't simply remove the topic and pretend I was in the wrong:
screenshot#1: http://ratemyserver.org/jynx1.JPG
screenshot#2: http://ratemyserver.org/jynx2.JPG
The first screenshot should be the one that you said it has not been edited whatsoever, yes you are right. However, Jynx had removed Vash's post just a few post below the first post after the first email I sent about their cheating action.
quoting from this topic http://s12.invisionfree.com/Jynx/index.php?showtopic=3568
with content of my email exchange with Jynx. You can find this piece of information in my second email:
"Also, we noticed you had removed a post on the topic involved with the ratemyserver event at your forum. It was basically about your Admin Vash telling your players to cheat by writing multiple reviews with the use of proxy registration (Please see attachment item #1)."
Screenshot#2 is the "attachment item #1" I mentioned in the email, I attached to the email. Of course Jynx didn't want to show that to everyone. You can go up to her and ask what is in "attachment item #1", I wouldn't expect much from her answer other than another lie.
That being shown, now that means Jynx: "They say we told you guys to use proxies, which we didnt in the topic they gave on my forums." (on
http://s12.invisionfree.com/Jynx/index.php?showtopic=3568 again) Is another lie. She simply 1) removed trace of facts 2) tell everyone she didnt do it 3) said everyone else is wrong except her.
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Well, come on, didn't we see enough lies? i'll repeat some if you are too busy and forgetful
As pointed out by Usako in her long post, Jynx's attempt to show me prove of the Japanese site that she took sprite from, was just another lie. A lie to prove things. Here I will give you a sumed up version if Usako's post were too long and you didnt read.
In Jynx's reply to me (on http://s12.invisionfree.com/Jynx/index.php?showtopic=3568 again),
you can see this piece of information:
Jynx:
"I got the sprites from a Japanese Custom Online site. Here are two links to prove I got them on this site.
http://i10.tinypic.com/2yoae08.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/4i1jq0n.jpg
"
(if those links doesn't work anymore "for some reason", try these:
http://tinypic.com/2yoae08.jpg
http://tinypic.com/4i1jq0n.jpg
or ask me for a copy, of course i save everything when there are ppl constantly trying to erase evidents)
Usako's explanation:
"I would love to point out this fact. please refer to the site they claim to have gotten my sprites from. http://www.ragcan.com/ori.html
take a look at the images jynx gave.
http://i10.tinypic.com/2yoae08.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/4i1jq0n.jpg
they are FABRICATED. where they have put my sprites in their images, there were other sprites.
[[yC: Please try to find the pimp hat on http://tinypic.com/4i1jq0n.jpg and also try to find the same hat on the site http://www.ragcan.com/ori.html YOU WILL NOT FIND IT, same for the floppy bunny hat on http://i10.tinypic.com/2yoae08.jpg]]
The text on those sprites are exactly the same. only the images are changed. also, all the sprites around them are the same. the only difference is that the sprites that were originally there, aren't, and they pasted the images of mine in."
See? Jynx sent me photoshoped "prove" in an attempt to lie to me that she took sprites off a Japanese site. Even "prove" can be a lie, this really scares me. I simply can't believe how anyone can believe everything she said. One more thing about this, remember:
Jynx:
"*NOTE:* I didnt post the direct links to the page where I got these sprites because I got about 20 sprites from there and didnt want the whole world to know about the site.*"
(yes on the topic with our emails again)
Turns out, Jynx didn't want to give anyone the link simply because the "proves" were photoshoped and not the same as showed on the japanese site. Of course she can't give out any link, otherwise everyone is going to see what she did to her "proves".
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Lastly, for a fact, RO doesn't exist 6-7 years ago. Prove:
http://ragnarokonline.com/
read the copyright year, at the very bottom, 2002-2005
or go to the kRO official site, it has the copyright more accurate, 2002-2006.
So yes, Vash is ahead of Gravity if anyone want to believe that too.
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As a concluding statement, if anyone from Jynx-Online is reading this, please understand Jynx deleted evidence of cheating, faked proof in order to get away from the charge of stealing. Now you tell me how to judge.
Oh Really?
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 26, 2006, 07:43 PM
With careful research, we can conclude Kittomi is 133talchemist.
There's a high possibility that 133talchemist is Jynx.
I am not 133 alchemist and never have been, and I am not Jynx and never have been Jynx.
I don't know where you get your info but its dead wrong.
So, except that, nothing presented above's wrong? Neat-o. By the way, might want to use proxies for registering next time. =)
"So, except that, nothing presented above's wrong? Neat-o. By the way, might want to use proxies for registering next time. =)"
Proxies. Sorry, mistyped it first time.
Dude your an idiot that is not Jynx she doesnt even act like Jynx dont you realise theres about 5 of us in the same house right now using teh same connection Jynx Vash, Dark Sin(me), Kittomi, Anubis
Quote from: Justinb52 on Sep 26, 2006, 08:09 PM
Dude your an idiot that is not Jynx she doesnt even act like Jynx dont you realise theres about 5 of us in the same house right now using teh same connection Jynx Vash, Dark Sin(me), Kittomi, Anubis
Actually I just proved my point. I didn't specifically say that Kittomi was Jynx. I said there's a HIGH PROBABILITY. You just went ahead and ratted out your associations.
Quote from: Kittomiand btw a lot of the above is wrong but I don't waste my time argueing with little kids, its a waste of time and I have a life.
Last time I checked, yC wasnt a little kid. Also, posting a reply does not hinder you from having a life. Unless you type really really slow.
Quote from: Justinb52Dude your an idiot that is not Jynx she doesnt even act like Jynx dont you realise theres about 5 of us in the same house right now using teh same connection Jynx Vash, Dark Sin(me), Kittomi, Anubis
Why the name calling? Anyways, I dont care if there's 20 of you in the same damn room. Now get back on topic, give us some proof of yC being incorrect or admit defeat. Seriously, stop trying to go off-topic.
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 26, 2006, 08:17 PM
your the one's who reopened the topic saying I was Jynx, I think the whole thing is a waste of time. reopening this topic is pointless. your just trying to stir up trouble for absolutely no reason.
I did? Can you point out where I specifically said KITTOMI IS JYNX? Also, as Slaw said, don't avoid the topic.
The fact that you have direct relations with an admin from JynxRO is controversial.
5 of you, on the same house? Do you want us to believe that BS? Specially when Jynx & Vash are "married"? Throw us another B) I'm getting amused.
Oh and Dark Sin just posted a bad review on BakaRO, while a perfect 10 on everything in the old JynxRO rate site. What a shame B/
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 26, 2006, 08:17 PM
your the one's who reopened the topic saying I was Jynx, I think the whole thing is a waste of time. reopening this topic is pointless. your just trying to stir up trouble for absolutely no reason.
Correct me if im worng, but i believe the reason it was reopened was to expose evidence which jynx has covered up.
Well baka sucks it comes to Jynx stays tehre for long time then leaves steals over half tehre crap go to blah-ro.tk tahst one server they even say they stole there stuff and it even has an apology to vash go look yourself they stole wings vash actually drew for jynx and i know for a fact he did make those fairy ones. and yes 5 of us in the same house anubis is paying rent im his brother and vash and jynx are married in anotehr room
Admin
Kai
GM
Kyu
Hak
Phoenix
Soul
Winry
Vash (Sorry I blamed you for taking my files, I discovered later it was really those who are hosting bakaRO aka baka-gaming (they can be found at baka-gaming.net))
Back to topic please. Discuss yC's post.
5 of you, on the same house? Do you want us to believe that BS? Specially when Jynx & Vash are "married"? Throw us another B) I'm getting amused.
Yes they do live in my house but its not anyone's business why they live here
Quote from: Justinb52 on Sep 26, 2006, 08:22 PM
Well baka sucks it comes to Jynx stays tehre for long time then leaves steals over half tehre crap go to blah-ro.tk tahst one server they even say they stole there stuff and it even has an apology to vash go look yourself they stole wings vash actually drew for jynx and i know for a fact he did make those fairy ones. and yes 5 of us in the same house anubis is paying rent im his brother and vash and jynx are married in anotehr room
Admin
Kai
GM
Kyu
Hak
Phoenix
Soul
Winry
Vash (Sorry I blamed you for taking my files, I discovered later it was really those who are hosting bakaRO aka baka-gaming (they can be found at baka-gaming.net))
Would you PLEASE stop posting claims without posting proof? It's getting fairly annoying without any backup.
i have a question. if you all do live in the same house then how is this possable
"I am sorry if I wasnt suppose to message you back, but I have no choice seeing as your forums wont let me post a reply."
Source: http://ratemyserver.org/jynx.txt
if it is true that she indeed couldnt post a reply then how come the rest of you can?
I was just replying to why i rated baka so bad and that was proof if you went to teh site well it should be enough
Dont ask me i think they banned her and crap if she made a new accoutn im sure she could
Where any of us live is not the topic here people and also none of anyone's business
Now let me see all this proof you all say you have.
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 26, 2006, 08:35 PM
Where any of us live is not the topic here people and also none of anyone's business
Now let me see all this proof you all say you have.
Are you blind? We've been giving it to you since yesterday.
I have been in hundreds of servers in the past 4 years over half of the things you claim to made other servers either stole them and your only going after jynx or you stole those headgears from otehr people and claiming them as your own and the pimp hat jynx doesnt have on tehre server at all and none of your other gay headgears. Now admit it your just trying to get Jynx in trouble for doing nothing I also saw the pimp hat in a sprite guide I did once so yea. It was in eatehna but i cant find it atm probably cus some idiot deleted it
I also know people who made alot of those headgears you claim to of make like teh checkerboard hat thing o.o
Quote from: Justinb52 on Sep 26, 2006, 08:33 PM
I was just replying to why i rated baka so bad and that was proof if you went to teh site well it should be enough
Dont ask me i think they banned her and crap if she made a new accoutn im sure she could
Excuse me, is there is technology that can ban REMOTELY by DNA or fingerprint?
5 of you in the same house using the same connection, and at least two of you can register in this forum without problem. Why can't the 3rd or 4th etc.
Edit:
Anyway, i defended myself with the post in page 4, Jynx-Online deserve the suspension, nor do they care. I simply have to show that I am in the right position, not lying anything to get anyone suspended.
Quote from: Justinb52 on Sep 26, 2006, 08:33 PM
I was just replying to why i rated baka so bad and that was proof if you went to teh site well it should be enough
Dont ask me i think they banned her and crap if she made a new accoutn im sure she could
Cover blown B) l33talchemist's RMS account does not exist anymore:
http://www.ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=userlist&page_num=24
Off-topic does anyone recognize anything inside here?
http://mkdot.s57.xrea.com/
Hmm well as I know Jynx and Vash were banned on here and anubis hes not home atm and he uses the same computer i do
how do you know the checkred cap was made by someone else. did you WATCH them make it? I had someone that saw me make mine. How do you know they're the exact same thing?
The checkered cap was actually my third sprite, made 2 years ago. I'd like to meet this person who claims to have made it.
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 26, 2006, 08:35 PM
Where any of us live is not the topic here people and also none of anyone's business
Now let me see all this proof you all say you have.
http://ratemyserver.org/jynx.txt
First than anything.
Second, that you guys are a bunch-o-liars:
Quote"Eryk says:
what are you using for jynx online right now ?
Eryk says:
okay ?
Vash says:
the core is not made from anything related to RO
Eryk says:
okay
Vash says:
it's a completely legal binding server files
Vash says:
the server has same commands as eA"
v
QuoteWell, they're using eAthena, I've found it out, so no more crazy "Our server isn't either Freya, nor eAthena, nor Aegis" stuff.
Why do I say so, you ask. Well here are the answers:
1) On hu_fild05 168 303, there's a npc called Pilar. If you check its dialogue, it matches with this one: http://72.36.236.18:8080/svn/ea/trunk/npc/warps/fields/abyss_warper.txt .
Why do I say so? Because I made the npc :3 and it's custom, not official.
2) On hu_in01 23 311 there's a npc called Johsh. If you check its dialogue, it maches with this one: http://72.36.236.18:8080/svn/ea/trunk/npc/cities/hugel.txt .
Why do I say so? Because I made the npc :3 and it's custom, not official. Note also the difference between the npc name (Johsh) and the one inside the dialogue (Josh). Sometimes typos acts as copyright smile.gif
3) It has @duel, which is on eA.
4) @autoloot can use an extra argument which is the percentage of dropping you want to auto-loot.
For you guys that might say "Knowing that Freya has ripped once, and no wonder it could again (?)...", there's a tip:
5) It has homunculus :)
Oh and, before you go and remove it, don't waste your time. I already screenshot'ed it ;) I won't reveal them yet, though.
Next:
QuoteQuotedo you happen to know who made Freya?
im sure Vash can answer that
Yes, Yor did. He still pops into the eAthena channel once in a while.
v
QuoteFREYA's original name was 'Free Ragnarok Emulator, YARE Adopted.' As you can see by that name, it was the official YARE followup. But development on the first Freya, which had Yor and some other people from YARE on its team, went very slow and people started leaving the project. A new project then popped up and became the official YARE followup, since it had the YARE founder and more YARE developers in its team than Freya did, this project was Odin, which never became really popular. (I was a developer for it as well.) Around that time, Yor decided to join the eAthena staff team and he did a great job for eAthena. In the end, I think he must've not been satisfied with dropping the original Freya and decided to start again. This time it wasn't YARE's official followup and wasn't even using YARE's sourcecode, but eAthena's. So, this time, FREYA stood for 'Free Ragnarok Emulator, Yor Adopted.' This is when much of the eAthena staff got to dislike Yor, since he had corrupted the eAthena RC4 release and used it's base for the new Freya.
HISTORY!
Thank you Mass^Zero @ eAthena :D
http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?s=&showtopic=91829&view=findpost&p=509872
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Okay.... Pinned.
I also removed some irrelevant posts in here leading to a possible flame session.
On the question of why Yor left eA... well.... there's few people that can provide some details into that controversy...and those were Valaris or AppleGirl.
I won't, for lack of proof and firsthand knowledge of the facts... narrate here what actually happened then. Suffice to say that there occurred some form of misunderstanding or internal conflict within the dev ranks. I'll leave it, safely, at that. :P
As for RC4 being sabotaged? Here's what former eA Developer PoW had to say on the matter:
Some words have been intentionally edited out by me to help avoid another possible unrest arising from the quote i posted above. It wasn't offered here to malign nor cause anyone undue insult or anything else. Just a possible proof to support a claim and nothing more. :rolleyes:
Thanks Manipulator (We miss you ;_;)
http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?s=&showtopic=91829&view=findpost&p=509886
AND, finally:
QuoteI would like to point out that the big deal with RC4 is that they were pushing us to release a new build, so that they could release Freya (they were planning from the start to release Freya once our next build was released), knowing all the bugs we had at the time. That is what all the hooplah was about, end of story.
Thanks valaris :D
http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?s=&showtopic=91829&view=findpost&p=545297
Don't worry, I'm cooking more B)
Quote from: erKURITA on Sep 26, 2006, 08:44 PM
Quote from: Justinb52 on Sep 26, 2006, 08:33 PM
I was just replying to why i rated baka so bad and that was proof if you went to teh site well it should be enough
Dont ask me i think they banned her and crap if she made a new accoutn im sure she could
Cover blown B) l33talchemist's RMS account does not exist anymore:
http://www.ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=userlist&page_num=24
Off-topic does anyone recognize anything inside here?
http://mkdot.s57.xrea.com/
Ive seen a couple of those sprites on Jynx Online. Is that like, a bad thing? I feel stupid for asking that question.
why is it that we can shovel out evidence on them, and they can't do anything to prove us wrong except say "well they said this!!!"
anyway. in regards to the geffen soldier helm (also called the juno helm by someone). yes i have it on my server. no i didn't take credit for it. i took credit for making the act file and compiling it in to a sprite. the image i had to do this from can be found on this post on ASB: http://forum.asb-sakray.net/index.php?showtopic=33836&hl=
the image, more specifically here: http://img449.imageshack.us/img449/576/geffenhelmet5bs.png
now, please compare the two sprites. i have taken a screenshot of the geffen guard helm shown on jynxes site. the one "made by farto". do you not see a difference in these two? here let me help.
(http://usako.files.deltaanime.net/images/jynxlies2.jpg)
They are very different. The first one is what I found on Jynx's site. The second is made by xanatan, and turned in to a sprite by me with permission (If you don't believe me, email him through the ASB forums and ask him).
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I'd like to show you Jynx Online players a little truth about your admin, Vash. Here you will see his post about his sprites he's made for your lovely server. (To view the full image, right click and do "View Image"....these boards resize large pictures)
(http://usako.files.deltaanime.net/images/vash1.jpg)
View original post (not a Screen Shot. Must be logged in.):
http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?showtopic=95831&hl=
Another couple posts, proving he is using eAthena, and knows very little about servers. He also doesn't know PHP (so it is impossible for him to be writing a forum that only Jynx Online will have).
(http://usako.files.deltaanime.net/images/vash2.jpg)
View original posts (not a Screen Shot. Must be logged in.):
http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?showtopic=113691&hl=
http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?showtopic=113793&hl=
here, once again, are all his posts: http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=a2d905408a421011ed264df180eff1e2&search_in=posts&result_type=posts
if you really dont want to know the truth about your admin, then don't go. it's your loss. if you wish to live in ignorance (it's bliss, I tell ya), then don't go. but if you really want to see their lies, you might want to see those topics. I have provided the links to the topics to show validity. the images are not photoshoped (with the exception of putting two posts in one image). you will see that in the originals.
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Wow.
The evidence against Jynx is impressive.
Ok the first topic you showed showed something good that he made really good headgears and everyone liked them the second one showed he wanted to learn php and hes most likely learning it and is making teh forums now the other one he probably just switched over to an sql server a while back then but i know recently he combined a few server crap to make his own files dont know teh details
Dude why dont you check up on jynx and find one headgear that you made and show a ss i looked through them theres none in there stop trying to make jynx look bad its not
really good? those look terriable.
the second post was to prove that he does not have the knowlage to do what he says he is doing.
Also makeing a forum is something that is not something that is easy. Theres no way someone who doesnt know any php can go to being a master in such a short ammount of time.
also you cant mix and match server files. it doesnt work that way. he would have to recode them to work together.
actually we're working on that.
and we found my sprites in their data files. and guess what. they DO have my credit frame on them (the pimp hat and floppy bunny...floppy bunny however, was released to the public and afre free to use as long as credit is given.)
less than a month ago is a while back? he is using eAthena. face it. that post was made in august...OF THIS YEAR. he switched from eAthena TXT to eAthena SQL.
but i agree the sprites aren't that bad. i like the fairy wing ears, though i'd personally call them fin ears.
Quote from: Usako on Sep 26, 2006, 09:57 PM
actually we're working on that.
and we found my sprites in their data files. and guess what. they DO have my credit frame on them (the pimp hat and floppy bunny...floppy bunny however, was released to the public and afre free to use as long as credit is given.)
less than a month ago is a while back? he is using eAthena. face it. that post was made in august...OF THIS YEAR. he switched from eAthena TXT to eAthena SQL.
but i agree the sprites aren't that bad. i like the fairy wing ears, though i'd personally call them fin ears.
Woot, case closed.
Now, they can apologize and the topic can close.
Ok Those wings I dont think are horrible at all I think there really good actually
The second one shows that hes learnign to HELP teh server out tahts why he did it remember this was a month ago.
AND JYNX DOESNT HAVE A DATA FOLDER!!!!
You guys obviously are just lying and dotn know anythign abotu Jynx
Ok lets just get over this and stop the arguing
jynx has a data folder in the format of a grf. or rather, 'cygwin32.dll' as they've named it.
don't believe me? google grf tool and open cygwin32.dll with it (if it doesn't work, rename it to a .grf instead of a .dll)
Well you may be right they might have them in there but they dont use them anymore if they do I will admit they did have the imp hat and floppy bunny at one point but i saw it gone quite a while back
saw it gone a while back...possibly after the first time i accused them of stealing?
Maybe lets just get over this and stop complaining I dotn feel like arguing anymore
Quotei have never heard jynx say that she took credit for the pimp hat..
and even today, the pimp hat is no in jynx online.. go check if you like...
QuoteDude why dont you check up on jynx and find one headgear that you made and show a ss i looked through them theres none in there stop trying to make jynx look bad its not
î THANK YOU BD!!
SURE! I'll open your cygwin32.dll.grf :D and post it here. Look:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8904/pimphatoa5.png
You guys don't believe? HERE! I decompiled the sprite into the bmps:
http://kismet.files.deltaanime.net/pimp_hat/
Oh and the floppy bunny aswel B)
http://kismet.files.deltaanime.net/floppy_bunny/
Make sure to check the very last picture of each folder.
OH? You still doesn't believe me? Well well, I'll tell you how to view the files yourself. Go to:
http://eamirror.skamfroj.net/
In there, go to client tools, click on Show/Hide (JavaScript enabled please :D) and download:
- GRF Tool
- SPR ConView.
Now, extract both to a folder of your choice. Open grftool.exe and search for cygwin32.dll on your JynxRO folder. Wait, it does not appear?! OH EM GEE. No problem. Either rename it to cygwin32.dll.grf or in the name of the file box, type cygwin32.dll. It should open the grf. Now, write on the type box: sprite. Should filter all the folders so it extracts anything that has sprite on its path :D
Choose every little thing that was filtered, and extract it somewhere you know. Open SPR_Conview_v0.11.exe and click on File -> Open. Go to the data folder, the path to the hats is: data\sprite\Ã,¾Ã‡Ã,¼Ã,¼Ã,»Ã§Ã,¸Ã,®
Now, Ã,³Ã,² is male, while Ã,¿Ã,© is female. Go into either of those. Write in the name box: Ã,³Ã,²_Ã,¿Ã¾Ã,½Ã,ºÃ…Ã?Ã,±Ãâ€"Ã,·Ã,¹Ãâ,¬ÃƒÅ'Ã,½Ã,º.spr for male folder, or Ã,¿Ã,©_Ã,¿Ã¾Ã,½Ã,ºÃ…Ã?Ã,±Ãâ€"Ã,·Ã,¹Ãâ,¬ÃƒÅ'Ã,½Ã,º.spr
Voila! There's Usako's pimp hat! BD! Now click on Open, and hit the ^ arrow, and type 10. There you go my friends :D
And stay tunned, I haven't finished this buffet B)
Oh thanks for posting the pimp hat for everyone in the world to take im sure usako will be very happy now oh and even if tehre in there they arent used anymore i know for a fact cus i found a headgear called pimphat earlier and it was some black one
Quote from: Justinb52 on Sep 26, 2006, 10:04 PM
Well you may be right they might have them in there but they dont use them anymore if they do I will admit they did have the imp hat and floppy bunny at one point but i saw it gone quite a while back
You just said they had it [at one point] and do you see any credit given? it's bad if one claimed the work of others, it's equally bad if one doesn't give credit of the work of others, isn't that enough? Anyway.
http://jynx-online.net/Customs.htm
scroll down to HATS and see the things rolls around, what do u see? yes pimp hat.
or see this:
(http://jynx-online.net/CustomsGifs/Hats(2).gif)
i saved this image already, tell me if it ever magically become something else.
admit it. Listed under "Donation items: ( cannot get in game without donating )"
so if i donate now, i can get it. Or not? awww i want to donate, take my donation and give me the pimp hat, no i dont want any other, just that one. Maybe it's a good idea to change the gif so we don't get confused. Thank you. I can see Jynx is working hard in clearing the forums and changing html links to make us look stupid when all our linked references are dead. Oh well, keep working on it.
that's because they messed up their files. they have their pimp hat and the black hat switched around. (it even fooled us at first lawl).
because i dont like people saying i didn't make s*** when i did. and thiefs are bad in the real world and the online world. and because idiots like these fail at life anyway ;p we have proved them wrong in many points, and i dont see how people can still believe them. we throw all this evidence out publicly and they have nothing on us.
believe it or not. i'm online less than i am not online. i go to college, have a job, and a boyfriend. kthnx.
but you're obviously no better than the rest of us. you have come here multiple times, and you have this topic open for long periods of time. it's obvious that you, too, are here wasting time. saying "omg guys go outside get a life stop arguing" is no better than anything we post...
not to mention i dont appreciate the comments they made about finding everything they can about me...and saying i look like a ten year old kid. personal insults are lowe. besides...tha picture probably wasn't even me. i haven't seen a picture of me online in a long donkey time. i dont have a myspace, there's no pictures of me on my journal.
i have a question, when will this be over with?
another thing, usako you have a deviantart page dont you?
as for all the "personal issues online" i get it all the time.. but you know what.. does it hurt you? it doesnt to me.. ignore them.. i would.. i have big ears, woohoo.. i can pick up radio signals (tried before and didnt work) i could care less..
as for that gif.. im the one who made that, (i used flash but it didnt export right)
i was given a bunch of images to put together.. but a few of those arent even in there... due to "nah i change my mind" and i go "wtf?"
any other questions to me? i wouldnt mind answering.. if i have the answer myself
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 26, 2006, 11:21 PM
Can I just ask what is the point of all this? what are you hoping to gain? so if you prove your self right what will you gain? if your wrong what will you gain or lose? I just don't see any point to it but guess if you all want to argue with each other and waste time its your lives your missing out on. because believe it or not if you look out the window there is a whole world out there and most of it cares nothing about ro
Well, for me, I do not want to hold this bad name that Jynx-Online put on me. I do not suspend their server for nothing. I gave facts, I said what they did, I have all my facts and reasons straight to the point. It was because of this http://ratemyserver.org/jynx.txt which they educated their players, denying what actually happened, putting me in the wrong position and Jynx of course have every possible suckup on her forum to cheer for her.
If one day you got run over by a truck, you think the whole world will care? No. But there are still your family and friends (hopefully) that will sue the hell out of the truck driver wouldn't they? Even if they don't, the police will charge the driver anyway with proof of course. Just for the sake of justice or for you to rest in peace. You get the idea.
As for Usako, she wants anyone who use her work to give proper credits AND respect her rules on using her work (i.e. not use for donation items?). Now, before you ask "what is the point of all this?", let me ask you just what is wrong with fighting for her rights on her own work? Even so, we do not see anything change in Jynx-Online to express apology. You think we should stop here, tell me why?
Lastly, let's talk about Plagiarism - Plagiarism is the practice of dishonestly claiming original authorship of material which one has not actually created (definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism).
Yes, that's it, the thing that Vash/Jynx did to Freya and those other Sprites that he didn't make but claiming he did. You think anyone but themselves will be happy if Jynx-Online can get away with it? Just like if the truck driver that ran over you, would you be happy if he can get away with it?
she can fight for all her rights, i wont stop her..
but all the guys against jynx online are -gathering- information about jynxonline instead of discussing a closing point... this topic was supposed to be closed but to the assumption of a member >.>
its reopened because of that certain assumption.
Personally.. "she claims it" then "her claim"..
ive been sitting here hoping for this to be done with..
so i can move on, do some homework, or go play some Jynx Online..
who here is actually laughing? i am.. i find this ridiculous.. i made this giant project that cost me 40% my grade last year and it was stolen and claimed as "hers"... you know what i did? i took it, threw it against the wall, told her she's a slut... and moved on..
i dont think that this situation would need name calling but i suggest the move on...
as for the pimp hat being a black hat. actually that's the grntleman's hat. they changed the view ID (I would assume to hide more evidence against them). Theoretically the pimp hat should override western grace, but they have changed the view id. however it still says pimp hat on it.
whether its in game or not...they still have it...and it was stolen. it is still in their client. it was stolen. it is still on their site...it was stolen. how many more times do i have to say it. you guys are no long actually defending yourselfs, which is good considering how much evidence we have found against you. at least you seem to be backing from your "we didn't steal u did b*tch" stand.
yes i have a deviant art but it has not images of me on it. and there are a few different usako's on deviant art.
this will end when jynx online apologizes. vash or jynx themselves. when they have admitted their wrong doings. but they wont, ever. because that's the type of people they are.
I stand where i stand.
I go where i go.
I say what i say.
I lead nobles to where I go, I teach what i can, I Cant stop others of their doings, but I try to stop as much as possible..
I want to stop what I can, but I cant force anyone..
If an apology is what you seek, at least drop the topic and go talk to her yourself... are you even trying to conversate with her..or both of you blocking each other...
there's multiple ways to start a task, and multiple ways to finish one..
and this way is just not the way most choose
hmm i would talk to her if i had an msn address for her. but i dont. and she has yet to contact me. the only person i have contacted before was vash and he denied everyhting, even though we know now he is the same person i contacted in the past.
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 26, 2006, 11:21 PM
Can I just ask what is the point of all this? what are you hoping to gain? so if you prove your self right what will you gain? if your wrong what will you gain or lose? I just don't see any point to it but guess if you all want to argue with each other and waste time its your lives your missing out on. because believe it or not if you look out the window there is a whole world out there and most of it cares nothing about ro
First of all, if you think we're wasting our lives, why are you wasting your life with us?
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she can fight for all her rights, i wont stop her..
but all the guys against jynx online are -gathering- information about jynxonline instead of discussing a closing point... this topic was supposed to be closed but to the assumption of a member >.>
its reopened because of that certain assumption.
Personally.. "she claims it" then "her claim"..
ive been sitting here hoping for this to be done with..
so i can move on, do some homework, or go play some Jynx Online..
who here is actually laughing? i am.. i find this ridiculous.. i made this giant project that cost me 40% my grade last year and it was stolen and claimed as "hers"... you know what i did? i took it, threw it against the wall, told her she's a slut... and moved on..
i dont think that this situation would need name calling but i suggest the move on...
This leads us to our other topics. IS JYNX ONLINE LYING TO THEIR PLAYERS?
Well the simple answer we've all discovered already is yes. Jynx Online's first claim is that they don't run on "eAthena, Fraya or Aegis". That myth has already been debunked. The second claim was about Freya being created by Vash. Yet again, that has been debunked to be false. Now the third claim is how Usako is stealing content from Jynx Online. I'm sure we all have eyes and brains, go figure that one out yourself.
There are certain truths that need to be told. Why can't you people just accept some facts.
Most of us won't stop until the truth be told.
Quote from: Rageful Zen on Sep 26, 2006, 11:53 PM
i made this giant project that cost me 40% my grade last year and it was stolen and claimed as "hers"... you know what i did? i took it, threw it against the wall, told her she's a slut... and moved on..
Now let's have Usako and eAthena and Freya throw Jynx-Online to the wall and call Jynx a slut.
No No, i mean if you admit your flaw in this, where is your apology and act of forgiveness?
i.e. let everyone (including your players) know the facts of who made what sprites on the server AND give credits to whoever made the sprites that you use in your server AND stop lying to your players about Vash made Freya AND that the server is not running of eA/Freya/whatever
OR remove everything you didn't make and didn't give credits immediately, that not only include sprites, but also server engine i.e. eAthena/Freya/aegis which ever you use, including npc files, warp files everything. If you claim your server is running off a different engine which was proven to be incorrect as soon as Vash made his step in the eA forum asking for eAthena specific assistant.
I know it's highly unlikely anything of that sort will happen. No harm saying though. The server engine thing, anyone know the truth will just look down on Jynx-Online, it's no big deal to them, keep that lie up if you like, there is nothing we can do to stop lies spread around, it's your mouth it's your server, you can educate to your audience whatever you say, believe or not really depends on the person's intelligence, i wouldn't worry if your server is known for the dumb community.
Oh, i was just giving ideas, don't mind me. Jynx's lie hurt my site's reputation too, but i know she will never make it clear to the surface anyway =/
I'll just let Usako state what she wanted to be done.
accept the facts you say..
let the truth be told..
for a long amount of time, everyone has been on a side that are against the other..
Jynx is not brainwashing..
you do not know the history of how i came upon jynx online..
i cant say you can read my mind.. i cant say you know where i live..
but for a fact.. i have my reasons why im staying on jynx online...
many players do... not for customs, but for friends, and for family all together..
others come for fun, customs.. and more.
but the originals are here to have fun.. we dont see any other server who have nice gms..
if you dont know, i am a subgm of jynx online.. you dont know the story, you wont know until you ask..
i didnt come to apply, i didnt come to play at first..
until you know my story, you wont know why im here..
**Edit**
yC i still do not agree with you, yet you call "mine" (you)
its not my players, they know what they want to know, we dont hide anything, if they ask if there's a patch, we very well tell them theyre getting a patch...
i am very truthful, cal me a liar, ill call you a fake of greatness...
im entitled to speak what i like.. i wont stop you from what you believe...
a follower can be a leader and he same around.. you may say your side is right... if you want claim i will say your claim but my words have no power because you wont give me the power
I just don't like all this stealing that's been going on. You guys have done nothing but come up with excuses and lies, and trying to make Jynx look good. Okay, maybe she is a good person? Then why the hell would she claim work done by others as her own, WHEN THE EVIDENCE is right there! Look at all the posts. Look how much evidence that has been presented, and yet you guys "sticking up for Jynx" are just coming in here, and make yourselves look more and more arrogant by the second. The reason why we are doing this is for the right of the eAthena community. We have provided our HARD EARNED MONEY, and TONS OF TIME into making custom items and stuff for all the servers out there, and people (like Jynx) take it and call it their own. so what if it isn';t copyrighted? Think of it this way: If you had spent over 40 hours on a new system for your events and donations for your custom server, and came up with over 10 NPC's for it, and someone comes by, steals it, and calls it their own, with NO credit given to those who worked hard on the project? I don't know about you, but I would be PISSED. Think about it for awhile.
I think the reason why Jynx isn't coming in here( same with Vash) is becuase they KNOW they are fighting a losing battle. With all the evidence brought against them, they can't help but to stand back and watch the server they have built crumble to pieces because of one lie that turned into much worse. I'm sure that Usako, being the person I know and love her as a friend is, would have let the party of Jynx-Online use her sprites only if they have provided credits. You guys have done nothing but come in here and try to prove us wrong, when we have all this evidence built against you. If you truely believe that Jynx Online STOLE from Usako, PROVE IT ALREADY. I'm tired of reading basically the same stuff over and over again, about how you guys "keep stiking up for Jynx-Online", yet you seem to be crushing them as you present more and more lies to us.
EDIT: QUOTED:but the originals are here to have fun.. we dont see any other server who have nice gms..
Then you haven't looked on other servers. Yes, Jynx Online may be the best to you, and you have a right to that opinion or thought, but would you relaly want a server that is going through all this trouble to save itself? We are not trying to get Jynx to shut down, all that Usako requires is that there is a formal apology to Usako and the entire eAthena communtiy, as well as the developer of Freya, and the developers odf eAthena.
jman, you were kicked off the jynx online forums for spamming and violating.. that is why.
as for your friend... ill say this many times until you listen to me, i wont stop her from what she's doing.. if she wants me to give her claim, ill give her claim.. but once again, you guys wont listen to me... you will ignore me..
and as for when i joined this forums i read and agreed.. but you did not..
you are a very hateful person.. and you calling ignorance onto the play is not very nice..
i talk with manners,
"make yourselves look more and more arrogant by the second."
i dont appreciate it whatsoever..
And by saying, your not trying to shut down the server... you lie with all your misbehaving actions on the jynx online forums, we took it down to prevent people like you from doing it again, we're tired of deleting them all..
without people, there's only gms, it is still a server but who will pay for the dedicated hose when your job isnt a good paying job..
thinking about cause and effect is always a plus..
I did not spam, I posted two things about the truth, because it was the right thing to do at the time. Those posts aboutt he truth were rudely deleted, and me banned for nothing. these two posts were: Original Post (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/jmanfffreak/jynxfails.jpg)
I hardly call that spamming, and I hardly see that as a violation of the rules, to post your opinions, that that wasn't even opinion, that post was FACT.
we dont take negatives on the forums, we read the post and then we decide how to deal with it.. i change your post and your post has been deleted..
you dont even show the rest of the picture, not even if it was in the general section or not, you clearly didnt read the rules either..
it's true though. if they had asked and given credit i would have let them use the things -_- but i didn't hear a word. just someone came in...took the stuff...and left. then jynx online "suddenly" had them.
Quote from: Usako on Sep 27, 2006, 12:39 AM
it's true though. if they had asked and given credit i would have let them use the things -_- but i didn't hear a word. just someone came in...took the stuff...and left. then jynx online "suddenly" had them.
and you dont think of a second assumption maybe a player had submitted..
im not saying this situation is based... but you can never jump to a direct source...
you wont be surprised what you can find easily online.. i for one have found many useful thinsgs
**Edit**
as for me being accused of being sent here to argue, im not argueing whatsoever..
if you claim for me to be sent here..
then it would be said that jman was sent by you to post on the jynx online forums to disrupt the friendly community on it
if i wanted to post on the jynx forums i would have done it myself thank you. i asked him NOT to post (but it was too late, obviously).
i never said you were sent here. i already knew you were a sub gm of the server.
and how do i know? because someon from jynx online, came in...took the files from my server...and left. they never logged in once. l33talchemist, who obviously goes by a different name on jynx online. he also wrote a bad review on mine and bakaro's server (the two which jynx claimed stole from her) and a 100% review on jynx online. the guy claimed to have played my server for 3 months, but like i said they never logged in ONCE. it's quite obvious that they stole the sprites from me.
Quote from: Usako on Sep 27, 2006, 12:45 AM
if i wanted to post on the jynx forums i would have done it myself thank you. i asked him NOT to post (but it was too late, obviously).
i never said you were sent here. i already knew you were a sub gm of the server.
and how do i know? because someon from jynx online, came in...took the files from my server...and left. they never logged in once. l33talchemist, who obviously goes by a different name on jynx online. he also wrote a bad review on mine and bakaro's server (the two which jynx claimed stole from her) and a 100% review on jynx online. it's quite obvious that they stole the sprites from me.
you see, you know how i feel when the accused of being sent is..
as for l33talchemist, i dont know if it is jynx or not.. the last time i check i only knew of a forum member named RebornAlchemist who was on the jynx online forums..
i came here not to insult, but if i am aggrivated i will keep in mind the terms said before registering...
i wont hesitate to stop coming here and you wont know any information i have,
and if you want to know what i know.. or at least get information about me..
i could care less what you know, unless you know the sprites were stolen. i would love you to tell us that.
but that would be telling us what we already know and have proven.
we have yet to see ANY proof from the side of jynx online.
i could care less how you became a GM there, or why you are there. all i care about is that i was stolen from, and jynx/vash are trying to screw with my reputation (and trying to personally insult me and find personal info about me. "find anything you can about her and tell vash" is basically what they said.)
Quote from: Usako on Sep 27, 2006, 12:52 AM
i could care less what you know, unless you know the sprites were stolen. i would love you to tell us that.
but that would be telling us what we already know and have proven.
we have yet to see ANY proof from the side of jynx online.
i could care less how you became a GM there, or why you are there. all i care about is that i was stolen from, and jynx/vash are trying to screw with my reputation (and trying to personally insult me and find personal info about me. "find anything you can about her and tell vash" is basically what they said.)
like you would care, from the custom, it is polite to introduce yourself politely with your status and relation to any subject..
no mater if in good mood or bad..
i can tell you now plans.. or anything, i can prove things.. but whats the point if you want listen
as for riotbalde, what kind of person are you?
you talk behind the back of people instead of discussing..
as for the topic of
http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?s=49e7eff732147680ae90d6127c6c6af9&showtopic=118219
i was not sent here, ive read this many times and you cease to edit anything
as for jman, very disrespectful for the post of using proxys and such
some of your posts don't make sense....are you not english for your first language? no offense, but some tthings you say are hard to understand so i'm just wondering.
if you want to prove things, then go ahead. i will listen. but i'll probably have counter arguments as well. plans? now i'm curious. what about how they plan to destroy me and my server? lawl.
i never say rioptblade speaking behind people's backs. and why would we edit anything when it's the truth? (not to mention we can't edit closed topics ;p)
as for jman...there's no excuse for him ;p...<3 jman.
Look Rageful Zen. You are the only one that is giving a good argument from the Jynx side. The rest of them were posting in circles. I dont have anything against you.
With that being said, here are somethings that I dont understand.
If bad things are posted, why not have them locked but displayed? Deleting his posts means that Jman is revealing something that the Jynx administration does not want their players to find out. If I was in their position, and believe that everything I have done is right, then I wouldn't be afraid of people reading libel. This isn't against you, once again.
Vash and Jynx are the only two that I dislike (or at least their e-attitude). I'm sure they're good people in real life. However, claiming things that were created by others as their own is just wrong and despicable. That part is the truth. Whether or not you will agree with me is totally up to you.
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as for riotbalde, what kind of person are you?
you talk behind the back of people instead of discussing..
Show me one thing that I have said that might've been "back talk". I'm not that type of person and don't intend to be. Vash WAS indeed reading the topic (i've seen his name on members online).
I also prefer to talk in a less hostile tone. Pointing fingers leads to fights. Fights lead to deaths. Deaths leads to Bleach :D
Usako, i wouldnt have thought you would misunderstand what i say. my first language is English, i am Half Filipino and Half Polish, i was born in the U.S. here in Nevada.. Americanized with a fobish talk.
the things i say may be unnatural or misunderstanding, its just how i talk. im no BR, im no third world country speaker either..
if you like, you may talk to me personally.. but i can not gaurantee you, you will get anything or everything you have been looking for..
Riotblade, the others who came because i was here, i cant vouch for what they say.. they dont share any info. with me or at least are offline when i nag at them. its just the part of seeing that topic on the eathena again really irritated me.. and seeing the posts that some people said had me on an alert status.
my duty is to protect the players... but i would do it anyways if it wasnt a duty..
I am a caring person, I care for my friends, and people I dont know, as long as I have respect and im not pawned a lot in pvp. i am just peachy.. =p heh..
**Edit**
about the forums being locked..
we get spam a lot.. like people saying "YOU SUCK ... " "this server is gay " "YOU SHOULD BE BANNED" "THE GMS ARE CORRUPTED" "BRS WILL PREVAIL "
I lost tolerance so i ceased to take any other action but to delete.. jynx sometimes leaves them up to have a good laugh.. i dont understand sometimes but its just how it is..
other good topics like "buggy on server" we sometimes keep up for players to read on. we dont delete everything..
p.s.. er big bleach fan <<
some people did make insults on the topic on eAthena, but that was not us. we posted hard evidence in that topic. you can't blame us for what others did (kinda like you said).
if you want to protect people, i'd stand up for what's right. not what your friends tell you...
Quote from: Usako on Sep 27, 2006, 01:30 AM
some people did make insults on the topic on eAthena, but that was not us. we posted hard evidence in that topic. you can't blame us for what others did (kinda like you said).
if you want to protect people, i'd stand up for what's right. not what your friends tell you...
theres only two battles to stand for
for your pride
and to protect
you fight for pride
i fight to protect the family
Quote from: Rageful Zen on Sep 27, 2006, 01:39 AM
Quote from: Usako on Sep 27, 2006, 01:30 AM
some people did make insults on the topic on eAthena, but that was not us. we posted hard evidence in that topic. you can't blame us for what others did (kinda like you said).
if you want to protect people, i'd stand up for what's right. not what your friends tell you...
theres only two battles to stand for
for your pride
and to protect
you fight for pride
i fight to protect the family
Sounds like the mafia to me. Are you sure you're Filipino and Polish?
Oops I put it in quotes
Quote from: Riotblade on Sep 27, 2006, 01:44 AM
Quote from: Rageful Zen on Sep 27, 2006, 01:39 AM
Quote from: Usako on Sep 27, 2006, 01:30 AM
some people did make insults on the topic on eAthena, but that was not us. we posted hard evidence in that topic. you can't blame us for what others did (kinda like you said).
if you want to protect people, i'd stand up for what's right. not what your friends tell you...
Sounds like the mafia to me. Are you sure you're Filipino and Polish?
theres only two battles to stand for
for your pride
and to protect
you fight for pride
i fight to protect the family
lol, no im sure im a half breed =p
i got it from personal experience over ... well fights, and through a certain BLEACH episode >.>
Rageful Zen, even though it seems like it, I have nothing against you as well, unless it was you who aquired the sprites for Jynx, in which I might be a bit upset, but like Riot said, you seem to be the only one who is doing an effective job at defense for Jynx, and I actually find that very admirable.
Personally, I find it quite rude that my post was deleted for posting my opinion, and fact towards the issue. And btw, the URL is up there, so when Jynx' forums come back online, type in the URL, and hit enter, it'll send you to the post that I had posted that in. Jynx' reason for deleting my post was "I don't think I made it clear enough that I don't want that link spread around, I got about 20 sprites from there", or something very similar. Which doesn't make sense. Almost EVERYONE in the Graphical Enhancements forums of eAthena knows about that site, and has used it before. Even -I- knew about it, and I'm not a heavy spriter, and no, I didn't find out from Usako. So why.....else would my post have been deleted? The only reason (since it wasn't really spam, and I tried my best to express my feelings without cursing too much) is that it was the truth, or something in that post wasn't what Jynx wanted her community to hear, probably becuase it was the truth. I've calmed down a bit from that post, but not much. I will continue to stick behind Usako all the way, and fight for what is right. A formal apology from Jynx and Vash is all she requires.
LOL that pimp hat you showed on the animation that wasnbt under the cant get without donating thing there was one section of animation for just donation
Tell me if you see pimp hat under here once http://jynx-online.net/DonationsRewards.htm No body in the game has your freakn sprites if there even in there nobodys looking for them. Even if it is in the client it really means nothing unless its being used so just get over it
Alrighty, I'm getting dizzy with reading this.
When I posted first at your boards, I was defending some guy that was abused (my post is here: http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7399/wutevawm6.png ) by Damien and 2 other persons (well based aswell, take it as an example ;)) BUT, it was deleted by Demon. He knew I/he was right and that Damien had abused, so....
What's with all this "delete all the truth" thing? You think it will prevent you guys from giving your players a bad impression? hell no. You guys are actually giving it now by being a bunch of liars, fact-hiders and arrogant people, sad but true. What costed you to have asked Usako "Hey, I saw your nice sprites, and I'm making a full-custom server. Can I use them for my server?" "Yes"? Wonderful. "No, sorry"? No problem, make your own which are different. BUT downloading something and claiming it as you OWN was actually the WRONG step. You guys could have saved all this trouble: Locking and shutting down the forums, having to announce everything ingame, seeing as some players read this and get all dissappointed after being lied so blatantly, and their admins does nothing but neglecting every F A C T that is presented to T H E M.
You guys for at least once could start to be honest, but no. You want to be stubborn and stick with what you guys "believe" when the pure and hard true is here. And you know what else? A Ragnarok Server is not something you use to grow your e-penis with, I beg you pardon, or something you can make a living off. Players are not little things like SimCity. Each player has feelings, has believes, has emotions, and has a mind to think with. They're from all nacionalities and they are all the same, in respect terms. Wether they behave good or bad, that's another topic.
You guys have given to your players a bad reputation to us from eAthena, to Usako, to Jman, to Riotblade, to yC. Any of those also apply to me. And all that just to "buy" the love of "your players". I pity you guys.
SO..... If you're not willing to understand yet, well... how about switching places then? ;) what if I open your grf, order everything up, remove the sprites made by Usako and the other ones that I find over eAthena and the sprite sites I find (except the common ones), and release them over eAthena under GPL, saying "I found them over the net"? :) There will be a few who will download them w/o even reading the post. You guys would be heavily pissed off, I believe? And look: I will not care about what you guys will say, the mirror will stay there until my DAFiles account gets deleted :) I won't also care about any action taken on me, isolation, being ignored/hated, no I won't. I might become as bad as you guys, even worse, but I give a s***, to be honest :)
So... Are we smartening up or still being stubborn to accept the facts and SHOW the MF face and speak? or should harsher things come around? You guys decide.
Ok I just would like to say something about this....
wether or not Jynx found ( stole as you say ) or created anything there is a professional way and a childish way... You say you are showing all the proof that she stole the sprites correct ? Well where is the proof that you tried to contact her, I think that is very important in any arrgument casue right know it is he said she said thing
and also erKURITA dont even try to get me involved in this crap casue I ( oh I am DeMoN one of the Gm's on Jynx-Online, i couldnt make my name on here casue it was taken) resolved the issue with Damien and Click/Zombie ( her in game name is The Last Hope ) so showing that post and saying i deleted it means nothing casue since it was resvolved what is the point of keeping it up lol
Look there could be mistakes on both sides and there is a good way and bad way of going apon this.
It could be looked at like in many ways but everyone is just looking at the easiest way out fer say and to be able to point fingers.
1.Usako could be but i am not saying she is lieing about trying to contact Jynx/Vash
2.Jynx could have found it on the internet
3.if this sprite was orginally made by Usako Jynx could have asked for the request ( and yes you say where is the proof of that, well where is the proof of Usako asking Jynx about taking this so called pimp hat down?)
4.a Pimp hat is not a original idea, it is not like something that is out of this world for someone else to think of doing it?First this thread was made casue of the so called event thing lol
and then also went into this pimp hat thing..
There is no deneying about the event so dont you think if we didnt deney about that then why would this pimp hat that be deneied as well so maybe we made a mistake there but didnt see the harm in one reviews bad or good ( yes we all know i am a horrible speller) I am just saying in a 3rd person point of view.. If you knew me you would know i Dont take sides fer say ( but we all know i am on Jynx's side but I will only make comments that are relative and not you did this and they did that just like Rageful Zen....
Personally this has been pointless casue no one is taking any blame for anything, Usako included
And 1 last thing erKURITA Threats are a Kids Game, Dont threaten anyone casue all it does is shows your childish in many ways.
OK i am done ranting and raving lol
I am not trying to justify anything and yes some ppl on here are acting like little school girls ( not pointing on gender ) Oh and Kittomi is 100% not that alchemist char lol
This will be our only post, we will not continue on this, this in combination with the last post said states everything we need to say, after this you guys can continue on with whatever, but we will continue to not care.
"Also, unless they paid for legal copyrights, their copyright means squat"
-We paid for complete legal binding copyrights, if you need proof, get a lawyer and talk to us then, we will have our lawyer send you a copy of the copyright form. We already sent the copyright form for the Fairy Wings, made for our server a long time ago, they were just blown off and nothing was done.
"Your site lists atcommands specific to eA and Freya, exactly as they were made. I also notice that your servers features are implemented as soon as eA has "functionable" versions."
-1st off our server has the same commands to keep our current GMs from confusion. Many of them had other servers of their own or were atleast GMs somewhere before, keeping things familiar is what you do to help keep someone from having to completely re-learn a new thing.
"unless he Codes the entire engine from scrach it is still ro in some form."
-Though some things that players use, such as the kRO files are from RO, the server's files themselves are in fact completely customized, just mirrored with similiar aspects of the retarded eA files that a 5 year old could code.
"Oh wait, if he is the almighty creator of Freya, why are there so many topics of him... no you go figure it out."
-Any posts on eA under my name are not always made by me, I share my login on there with several people, many of whom are learning skills from eA, to get good enough to learn my files, which are more advanced. Learn how to add before you learn chemistry.
"6-7 Years ago Ragnarok was not even out. The first trace of Freya was by Yor who adapted it from an early version of eAthena. Why the name Freya you ask? Because Freya is the nordic goddess of fertility. Athena is the greek goddess of wisdom and war. What's the relation? Go figure."
-Ragnarok was indeed out 6~7 years ago, that is when some people got the original files, during the kRO beta testing, why would is say Copyright 2002? You don't copyright something til it's done, until then it is only patent pending. Freya, ever since I left, it has all turned into crap, like eA.
"if you guys want to claim wahtever.. pm jynx telling her which items and such... but please dont call her a stealer..
if you have any problems, im really hoping you will say "those arent tyour items, please take them off""
-NO ONE, not even this ugly b**** Usako, came to us and said a SINGLE GOD DAMN THING, about ANY of her s*** being on our server. http://i10.tinypic.com/4h37aj7.jpg And yes, she is a porker.
"if jynx wont respond send a pm on the forusms to Soulx.. that would be and ill talk/ask jynx about the items..
i really hope you can drop this subject and move on.. "
"I also prefer to talk in a less hostile tone. Pointing fingers leads to fights. Fights lead to deaths. Deaths leads to Bleach "
-Zen has been very nice to you guys here, all you guys do is come back at him with insults, no proof, once again. There's the proof right under, just coming back at him, calling him hostile. When in reality you are the only hostile people I see.
"but I can assure you I did the edits 100% on my own."
-That's just an assumption, you ask everyone to assume you did, yet you need proof from us, I hate hypocrits. I can go and take the mona lisa, add a pixel dot to it, call it 100% custom edited by me, so that's all I hear from you.
"they have the pink ones on there as well, but I didn't catch a screenshot"
-Another assumption, we don't have the pink ones, we only have the blues ones that are a rip from a video game, just made to fit our game.
"the admins of jynxRO are big jokes."
-Accusing someone of trying to ruin your name, then you do the same, if not a hypocrit, damn, you must not have very good parents.
"@COMMANDS?! Those are only available in eA or freya. I doubt they made their atcommands all by themselves ;p"
-Funny thing, several servers use commands like those, anyone can code an @command, where is your proof that ONLY, exclusive to eA and Freya are @commands? I know for a fact how easy they are to do, in fact I have made them others long ago for the hell of it, doesn't anyone recall the !commands or the j function commands, etc? How new are you guys to this stuff?
"another funny thing (now i'm just having fun making fun of them) they dont even have an autopatcher"
Trying to make fun of us for not having a patcher? We made a whole custom server, etc, yet we don't have an autopatcher, big whoop, we haven't gotten to it yet. We don't want to try and mimick any of the crappy ones off eA since they are to easy to hack through.
"Now I must look at Vash's other posts. So far I have read he doesn't know PHP. Also it said that on May 12, 2006 he posted a support question, asking how to make GM accounts after having upgraded to SQL from TXT. This is proof that he is using eAthena. I am not sure why people can still believe the lies they are telling. I guess it's all about familiarity. You guys have been playing there, and want to believe"
-Once again, if you guys ever viewed IP logs on where the post came from, do not assume that I don't share my account on their with people I know. I don't care what people do on their under my name, eA sucks and I do not go their unless someone asks me to.
"Also, Usako made those sprites. She didn't steal them for the very last time."
-If we must have proof that we stole them, then why won't she have to provide an absolute proof that she made them?
"every file made should be protected...
i just want to drop this topic..."
-Learn to protect your works, he's right, the internet is the #1 place where people steal other people's work. Are you guys new to this internet thing?
"With careful research, we can conclude Kittomi is 133talchemist.
There's a high possibility that 133talchemist is Jynx."
-Careful research? You have concluded that I live in the same house as Kittomi and that we have a friend who signed up here under the name L33talchemist. Nice job getting something their, I haven't seen him in a while.
"Why do you want the scripts you receive as donations be PM'ed instead of posting? Scripts are under GPL, due that eAthena is under GPL aswell, but removing the credits isn't (Violation of licences is illegal). Anyway, who would "steal" a custom npc anyway"
-We ask that scripts of any kind, are sent to us for people like you do not come and steal them, whether they be sprites scripts or otherwise, which has happened to many times.
"How come you have the same scripting engine as eA if you guys say your server software is completely unique?"
-We don't that's why we have them sent to us, we rescript them and have taught a few people how, that's another reason why, we don't want you guys seeing our style and ripping it.
"5 of you, on the same house? Do you want us to believe that BS? Specially when Jynx & Vash are "married"? Throw us another B) I'm getting amused."
-When people from Jynx post something it's "Stay on topic" but when you guys do it's "Yeah, that's crap". Need us to take a group pic and show you we all live here? Need a copy of my marriage license? Come on now, this is just ridiculous.
"Admin
Kai
GM
Kyu
Hak
Phoenix
Soul
Winry
Vash (Sorry I blamed you for taking my files, I discovered later it was really those who are hosting bakaRO aka baka-gaming (they can be found at baka-gaming.net))
Back to topic please. Discuss yC's post."
-Our GM has posted this as proof that Ancyker is a bold faced liar and is one of Usako's sources. Once again, someone here points something out and it's get back on the topic of something we can't say you are wrong about.
"Would you PLEASE stop posting claims without posting proof? It's getting fairly annoying without any backup."
-You guys haven't proven anything, just got a bunch of ignorant people on your side, I saw no proof in their at all, not even anyone I know who has read this saw ANY legal proof of s***. So, learn how to prove something, all you have is assumptions.
"I have been in hundreds of servers in the past 4 years over half of the things you claim to made other servers either stole them and your only going after jynx or you stole those headgears from otehr people and claiming them as your own and the pimp hat jynx doesnt have on tehre server at all and none of your other gay headgears."
-Here's someone saying you guys stole s***, it gets ignored, nothing said.
"I simply have to show that I am in the right position, not lying anything to get anyone suspended."
-What a great reason to reopen a topic, what have we done say anything about you being wrong, we have purposely not said anything til this only post.
"Okay.... Pinned.
I also removed some irrelevant posts in here leading to a possible flame session.
On the question of why Yor left eA... well.... there's few people that can provide some details into that controversy...and those were Valaris or AppleGirl."
-Well, once again, no one of real, .... anything you say... being this so called Yor etc has posted anything, even so, he has no proof, no backing, just word of internet, where's the proof?
"I would like to point out that the big deal with RC4 is that they were pushing us to release a new build, so that they could release Freya (they were planning from the start to release Freya once our next build was released), knowing all the bugs we had at the time. That is what all the hooplah was about, end of story."
-Timing here is all wrong, you guys are posting something too new to fit into Freya's timeline, nice to catch you on not only an assumption, but a lie. RC4 was released AFTER Freya was already on the internet and free to download, go look it up on google if you have to.
"Another couple posts, proving he is using eAthena, and knows very little about servers. He also doesn't know PHP (so it is impossible for him to be writing a forum that only Jynx Online will have)."
"Also makeing a forum is something that is not something that is easy. Theres no way someone who doesnt know any php can go to being a master in such a short ammount of time."
-Knowing PHP has nothing to do with making server files, talk about going WAY off topic, and that was a post of a friend asking about php for school work, making it look like server s***, cracks me up. Anyways, I DO know PHP, and I AM working on things with it. Proof will be provided soon, It won't be too long til I am done with it.
"jynx has a data folder in the format of a grf. or rather, 'cygwin32.dll' as they've named it.
don't believe me? google grf tool and open cygwin32.dll with it (if it doesn't work, rename it to a .grf instead of a .dll)"
-A simple grf tool will NOT just open that dll file, but go ahead and try if you want to. Your pictures of our files only prove that you have Usako's "so-called" pimp hat sprite yourself.
"You just said they had it [at one point] and do you see any credit given? it's bad if one claimed the work of others, it's equally bad if one doesn't give credit of the work of others, isn't that enough? Anyway."
-Why give credit to every sprite you receive, being over 1k on my PC, which many are from anonymous sources? I'd like to see you guys giving credit for everything, in fact, I'm one of the only server's that gives any credit to Gravity. Hypocrit much?
"as for that gif.. im the one who made that, (i used flash but it didnt export right)
i was given a bunch of images to put together.. but a few of those arent even in there... due to "nah i change my mind" and i go "wtf?""
-Yea, here Zen is saying he accidentally put that hat picture into the gif, we told him it wouldn't matter, being it is a gay looking hat.
" I do not want to hold this bad name that Jynx-Online put on me. "
-We haven't said a single word on here or anything, how the hell are WE of all people making you look bad? You sit here and try and rip on us, flaming at yourselves, and we made you look bad? Can we think for a second?
"whether its in game or not...they still have it...and it was stolen. it is still in their client. it was stolen. it is still on their site...it was stolen."
-Leaving a file inside their on accident is only seen by your assuming it is in their. Even so, it is NOT in game, so what's the problem? It being on the site? Who cares, serisouly, my art is stolen 24/7 and I don't gripe about it, I sue.
"hmm i would talk to her if i had an msn address for her. but i dont. and she has yet to contact me. the only person i have contacted before was vash and he denied everyhting, even though we know now he is the same person i contacted in the past."
-Jynx's MSN is listed on our website, we have no reason to contact you, you should be the one contacting us because you are the one accusing us, and I have never talked to you Usako, never in my life.
"This leads us to our other topics. IS JYNX ONLINE LYING TO THEIR PLAYERS?"
-What relevance to stealing her files is it if we go to all our players and tell them im 20ft tall and eat children while breathing fire, nothing, I don't, but if I lied saying I did, does that mean I stole her files?
"and because idiots like these fail at life anyway"
-Proving again that she is the one trying to make us look bad, as we sit here and enjoy our lives, having fun, making the world a better place. Some people need to stop being so self centered, no one cares who you are or anything about you, GO GET A LIFE.
"i.e. let everyone (including your players) know the facts of who made what sprites on the server AND give credits to whoever made the sprites that you use in your server AND stop lying to your players about Vash made Freya AND that the server is not running of eA/Freya/whatever "
-Once again, why would apologizing for you guys flaming have anything to do with anything? The only wrong I see here today is you guys, we tend to tell our players the truth, with all your assumptions, I believe you guys must lie to each other 24/7. Also, how does this have anything to do with HER files that we apparently "stole"?
"I think the reason why Jynx isn't coming in here( same with Vash) is becuase they KNOW they are fighting a losing battle"
-We couldn't register on your forums til today when we had someone else do it for us. Not like we'd want to respond to this childish behavior anyways, I am only here to clear up all your lies, take it where you will from here, but this is the truth.
"but would you relaly want a server that is going through all this trouble to save itself?"
-How are we trying to save ourselves here? Have we said a word to any of you? Even once? Nope.
"Those posts aboutt he truth were rudely deleted, and me banned for nothing. these two posts were: Original Post"
"we dont take negatives on the forums, we read the post and then we decide how to deal with it.. i change your post and your post has been deleted.."
-The post you made was edited, you continued to flame, therefore you were banned. That is common sense, get banned for flaming. Funny how you don't post about all the flaming you did on our forums. Why otherwise would we close the forums?
"it's true though. if they had asked and given credit i would have let them use the things -_- but i didn't hear a word. just someone came in...took the stuff...and left. then jynx online "suddenly" had them."
-So the exact day you have it logged and saw someone taking your files. Then, immediately came to our server and saw we had them? Even you yourself say "someone" came in, you are once again assuming things.
"and how do i know? because someon from jynx online, came in...took the files from my server...and left. they never logged in once. l33talchemist, who obviously goes by a different name on jynx online."
-Assuming it was someone from Jynx Online, assuming it was l33talchemist, can you prove a single word that comes out of your lieing mouth?
"jynx/vash are trying to screw with my reputation (and trying to personally insult me and find personal info about me. "find anything you can about her and tell vash" is basically what they said.)"
-Where's this proof? When did I ever say we wanted to hurt you in anyway? Where is there proof we'd want to bring down someone who is worthless to us. You mean nothing.
"as for jman...there's no excuse for him ;p...<3 jman."
-Here's admittance to jman posting flames on our boards when we have not flamed once, and will not, we are not stooping to your level, which you call "our" level.
"If bad things are posted, why not have them locked but displayed? Deleting his posts means that Jman is revealing something that the Jynx administration does not want their players to find out."
-We edited his post for it did not show the link anymore, then he continued to flame, then he was banned, then all posts by him were deleted.
"Vash and Jynx are the only two that I dislike (or at least their e-attitude)."
-Where is our attitude anywhere? Where is it bad? We have never talked to any of you. You do not know who we are, yet again, trying to make us look bad, claiming it is us making you look bad, you are only flaming at yourselves here.
"Jynx' reason for deleting my post was "I don't think I made it clear enough that I don't want that link spread around, I got about 20 sprites from there", or something very similar. Which doesn't make sense. Almost EVERYONE in the Graphical Enhancements forums of eAthena knows about that site, and has used it before. "
-Well, here's a big assumption, a funny one at that, it was our mistake to send you a forged picture off ragcan, but the thing is it's hard to find a site in that quick time, in japanese, that isn't a common website. If we found the link we would have sent it, but it is yet to be found still. How would we know that everyone know's about ragcan anyways? We don't go to eA boards to see that everyone goes there.
"and their admins does nothing but neglecting every F A C T that is presented to T H E M."
-We are the admins, when did we post anything neglecting a single thing? We have NOT posted at all on here til this only post.
To: erKURITA:
Well, I have one thing to say to you, either go and copyright your work, or risk it getting stolen. We are smart here, we copyright everything we do, so if you want to go and do that, we got your admittance to cracking a file made by us to release sprites you know are copyrighted to us. If you want a lawsuit, I have a lawyer.
Quote"jynx has a data folder in the format of a grf. or rather, 'cygwin32.dll' as they've named it.
don't believe me? google grf tool and open cygwin32.dll with it (if it doesn't work, rename it to a .grf instead of a .dll)"
-A simple grf tool will NOT just open that dll file, but go ahead and try if you want to. Your pictures of our files only prove that you have Usako's "so-called" pimp hat sprite yourself.
Oh, you say it isn't easy to open your "grf"? Give me a min and I'll have it uploaded in a rar for you :)
EDIT:
Oh and, threats are for big-mouths. I am not one :)
EDIT2:
Snapshot:
Quote18078#Merchant_Spirit#
18079#Thief_Spirit#
18080#Knight_Spirit#
18081#Priest_Spirit#
18082#Wizard_Spirit#
18083#Blacksmith_Spirit#
18084#Hunter_Spirit#
18085#Assassin_Spirit#
8086#Novice_Spirit#
8087#Rogue_Spirit#
8088#Alchemist_Spirit#
8089#Crusader_Spirit#
8090#Monk_Spirit#
8091#Sage_Spirit#
8092#Bard_Spirit#
8093#Lord_Knight_Spirit#
8094#High_Priest_Spirit#
8095#High_Wizard_Spirit#
8096#Paladin_Spirit#
8097#Champion_Spirit#
8098#Professor_Spirit#
8099#Assassin_Cross_Spirit#
8100#Sniper_Spirit#
8101#White_Smith_Spirit#
8102#Stalker_Spirit#
8103#Creator_Spirit#
8104#Pony Ring#
8105#Goat Ring#
8106#Incubus Ring#
8107#Succubus Ring#
8108#Moonlight Ring#
8109#Archangeling Ring#
8110#Deviruchi Ring#
8039#Jynx Event Armor#
lol i laugh at that post so much. can't open the grf? then tell me how two of us have already opened it with GRF tool?
i urge everyone else to try.
so that picture of me shows i'm fat? lol you haven't even seen my body, so how do you know i'm fat. i have a chubby face, yes, but i'm vertainly not a porker. a porker would be the usako on myspace XD lawl. where have i personally insulted you (in your personal life) nowhere. yet you come here posting pictures of me calling me fat. where is the maturity in that, hmm?
i dont even have time to reply to everything else you said. it's just ridiculous. we've posted the proof. we extracted the sprites on your server and uploaded them. they even have my credits in them (which you said they didn't). erKURITA has the sprites because he got them from your data. duh. though if he really wanted them for himself he could have asked and i would have given them to him...because he's a friend.
as for not trying to contact you. i PMed you on the eAthena boards some months ago. you denied ever being involved with jynx online. if it weren't for the new eA forums being wiped of my PMs i would paste them here for everyone to see. sharing your account is a bad idea anyway...and i'm sure the people you share it with all know you're with jynx online...so i dont see why they wouldn't say "i'm not actually vash, i'm using his account, but yes he's from jynx online". unless you share it with random people.
but who else has a 20k account server, has a wife, and posts under the name vash?
Quote from: Usako on Sep 27, 2006, 10:56 AM
as for not trying to contact you. i PMed you on the eAthena boards some months ago. you denied ever being involved with jynx online. if it weren't for the new eA forums being wiped of my PMs i would paste them here for everyone to see. sharing your account is a bad idea anyway...and i'm sure the people you share it with all know you're with jynx online...so i dont see why they wouldn't say "i'm not actually vash, i'm using his account, but yes he's from jynx online". unless you share it with random people.
there is the point 100%
there is no proof period that either party was contacted in anyway shape or form and like i said this is all He said she said stuff...
Drop it casue you may have shown stuff the proves you use it ( or lets go the extreme, maybe even made it i dont know) but you have not shown that you tried to contact them in anyway PERIOD and I think if the admin and or mods on the site are baise in this matter would understand that she puts up a good arrgument but needs to show 100% that she tried to contact them thats all
Usako you maybe a very smart girl BUT you are onlku showing 50% of the evidence 50% that you MAY have somthing to do with that sprite 50% that you say you contacted them but have no proof
I also understand that some ppl on here feel they know her and i dont deny that you dont but you have to look at it in a 3rd person. You want Jynx to show proof proof proof but the acuser is also the one that needs to have ALL the evidence in the matter on everything they say
1.100% that is was made by her ( all i saw is yes she did, look at this etc... but no hard proof, but again i am not deneying anything about that?
2.If a person states that they tried to make contact in anyway shape or form proof of that must be displayed or else the arrgument is invalid casue only 50% of the so called evidence can be shown
After I read Vash's post, I figured ... it wasted my time. It was simply lies & excuses, people on his server will read it as god speak, for us, we all know what's going on. No need to quote him to reply one after another unless you this is your day off.
Whatever we share account in eAthena, recoding the eA scripts ... if you believe them i'll think you are stupid.
Quoting from erKURITA on http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?showtopic=118219&st=0 see below:
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Well, they're using eAthena, I've found it out, so no more crazy "Our server isn't either Freya, nor eAthena, nor Aegis" stuff.
Why do I say so, you ask. Well here are the answers:
1) On hu_fild05 168 303, there's a npc called Pilar. If you check its dialogue, it matches with this one: http://72.36.236.18:8080/svn/ea/trunk/npc/warps/fields/abyss_warper.txt .
Why do I say so? Because I made the npc :3 and it's custom, not official.
2) On hu_in01 23 311 there's a npc called Johsh. If you check its dialogue, it maches with this one: http://72.36.236.18:8080/svn/ea/trunk/npc/cities/hugel.txt .
Why do I say so? Because I made the npc :3 and it's custom, not official. Note also the difference between the npc name (Johsh) and the one inside the dialogue (Josh). Sometimes typos acts as copyright smile.gif
3) It has @duel, which is on eA.
4) @autoloot can use an extra argument which is the percentage of dropping you want to auto-loot.
For you guys that might say "Knowing that Freya has ripped once, and no wonder it could again (?)...", there's a tip:
5) It has homunculus :)
Oh and, before you go and remove it, don't waste your time. I already screenshot'ed it wink.gif I won't reveal them yet, though.
I'll simply put it this way, Jynx-Online had lost all their creditbility by deleting the proof in their forum that Vash told their players to use proxy to interference with my site and then claim they never told their player to use proxy to do so. Plus, the photoshoped proof which I found very amusing.
I'll just point one thing out:
Vash:
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it was our mistake to send you a forged picture off ragcan, but the thing is it's hard to find a site in that quick time, in japanese, that isn't a common website. If we found the link we would have sent it, but it is yet to be found still. How would we know that everyone know's about ragcan anyways? We don't go to eA boards to see that everyone goes there.
Do you take screenshots of sites you been to everyday just in case when someone ask for the URL you'll send them screenshots only? You managed to send in forged screenshots from that site and no you didn't give any URL. Anyway, I'll leave room here for your excuses. Nor do I expect a reply. If you *don't* have any proof, it's better to just admit it than fake it. Simple as that. You think people wouldn't notice? As soon as I show these screenshots to the eA community they took me exactly where they were from and what was wrong with them. Yes, I didn't realize myself that they are forged, I am not a spriter myself, unfortunately.
And please be honest to your players, quoting from Jynx's on her deleted forum (a copy of the speech can be found here http://ratemyserver.org/jynx.txt):
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*NOTE:* I didnt post the direct links to the page where I got these sprites because I got about 20 sprites from there and didnt want the whole world to know about the site.*
There was her reason, which was very well proven incorrect in page 4 of this thread, why do u exclusively tell us another one? You tell your player one story and tell us who know the truth another?
Vash, give us your lawyer's contact, I think someone wants it, no msn/aim please, we want phone number, who to speak to, and what is your case # or client # that we can make reference to you. PM one of us if you don't want to make it public or don't want to make another post as you said.
<Removed by request>
(Pick whatever you like in there)
There you have it. You can check it and compare with your current grf. If you made a patch, I'll download it and merge it with it, no problem B) So where's the part that can't be opened?
If it isn't a grf, and/or not possible to open with GRF Tool or GRF Factory, RO can't use it. Both programs uses the SAME libraries RO uses to open, read and cache all the files. So, if GRF Tool can't open it, RO can't. We have studied ;)
As I said, threats are for big-mouths. Check my eA siggy in 1 week. Thank Cyco for it ;)
EDIT: In case you think of bringing me to a lawsuit, make sure to bring:
- Source of the server. Aswell as server files.
- Source of the client. You'll say you codded the client.
- All the copyrights of the items you have.
Until you have that all gathered, do not talk about legal issues. I could counter-sue you for hexing gravity's client.
To the RMS Mods
know we all know ppl posting ppl's folders is illegal and ask for you to take it off erKURITA's post and advise him/her not to do it again.
and also I am not sure what u r talking about erKURITA nor do I care LOL...
Quote from: Vash on Sep 27, 2006, 10:15 AM
"jynx has a data folder in the format of a grf. or rather, 'cygwin32.dll' as they've named it.
don't believe me? google grf tool and open cygwin32.dll with it (if it doesn't work, rename it to a .grf instead of a .dll)"
-A simple grf tool will NOT just open that dll file, but go ahead and try if you want to. Your pictures of our files only prove that you have Usako's "so-called" pimp hat sprite yourself.
He pretty much challenged erKURITA to dismantle his data folder and to publicize it.
i hear ya but let me see
someone on here was complaining about someone taking her files she says, so know erKURITA puts ours on there so know this thread is no better then the claim against jynx wether a challange was made or not true or not
"Don't do to others what you wouldn't like others do to you".
Does that saying ring a bell? B)
Kittomi, the disassembled data folder is used to prove a point, not to be stolen. There's a difference between taking someone's files without permission and responding to a challenge/proving a point.
-1 x -1 = 1
To me it doesn't B(
Quote from: Vash
-A simple grf tool will NOT just open that dll file, but go ahead and try if you want to. Your pictures of our files only prove that you have Usako's "so-called" pimp hat sprite yourself.
How do mod of RMS can be sure that one he posted is Jynx-Online's datafolder since their admin already said their "dll file" will NOT just open by a grf tool. I have no way to verify if I can't open the "dll file" of Jynx-Online to compare. Help on how to open your "dll file" from the admin of Jynx-Online will be greatly appreciated.
You will have to tell me how is it illegal. I already asked for instruction.
It's not illegal, seeing as you proved it cannot be your actual data folder by saying it cant be opened by a simple GRF tool. So, the mods of RMS forums have no choice but to believe it's not the files that you have copyrighted.
Instruction on how to do your job?
No, Instructions on how to do magic to open your unlockable Pandora's Bo... err GRF.
An illegal thing is hex the client and distribute it. Worse is monetary gain from a Company's work which is copyrighted.
OK. After all that being said, I'll have to call that person who actually believes in JynxRO, a big fawken stupid retard.
Let me tell you again. This is a matter of your moral values. Replying to what I saw and everything, I think that Vash is outright brainless.
First off, you said you coded the whole emulator. I'll repeat that. You. Coded. The. Whole. Emulator. The concept you're trying to make is just f*** stupid. Let me remind you that even with a big number in eA's dev team, the bugs are still not fixed and there are constant updates of RO. You are, in fact, a big fat liar to have even said that you coded it without any help from eA. It is not, and will never be, possible. Like I said, Sakray keeps releasing new things. You couldnt've possibly did all of the coding (mind you, the last I checked, the src folder has 1000+ files) without any help out of JynxRO.
Secondly, you said you coded the whole Freya by yourself. God damnit, you brainless nut. You could've picked other emulators to lie about. Why Freya? If you are in fact MagicalTux or Yor, prove it to us that you are. We will shut up once you prove it, otherwise, it's you who should wash that mouth of yours with plenty of soap. Freya existed much, much, much later after eA.
The third thing. You call yourself a very professional server. I see that your whole GM team is a big piece of crap all put together. They can't even speak English well, they scolded me when I was playing in your server last time (yes, I did. STFU and search your db before you shout at me). You call that a perfect GM team? Come see BakaRO, NiktoutRO, RusRO and much much more. You are basically humiliating yourself into the next millenium.
With so much proof already there, you guys still defend yourself. And please, don't talk law. It's the attitude that counts. And please, don't even say it's the internet. Every fsking person in this world has feelings. I believe that you are outright rude, and you are inhumane after taking Usako for a ride. I mean, come on. You are a damn animal if you seriously think your actions aren't hurting Usako.
And yes, about the part where who released the sprites. We can always find a lot of our old staff back to PROVE it to you that you are outright wrong in the first place. Usako released a lot of your sprites, and you said you found it over the net. Yet, you claim all that was found over the net to be your own property. Are you sickening or what? And I see that you banned Jman and also deleted erKURITA's post. Why are you deleting and banning people when they are stating true facts? Are you trying to hide something from us? Why do you make such a fuss? Basically, you're lying. Liars cannot escape my eyes, and I'll bet my butt on it that you are outright lying. If you aren't lying, and you are actually in the right, you have no right to delete that post.
Again, I would like to emphasise the point that you are letting your hidden identity as a noob go. You can't even type properly, sheesh. I see all your English NPCs in the game are outright GIBBERISH. How can you convince all of us that you are a smart person that actually CODED the whole source, when you use the noobish English you're currently using? Even noobs nowadays can speak better English than a f*cknut admin like you.
If I recalled it clearly, you said that we didn't provide substantial proof that you are actually stealing Usako's sprites. So what "substantial" proof do you have? Basically, an idiotic link from Imageshack, which I LOLed at for hours. Why? You're lame. You're stupid. "omfg i upload in imageshak kakakakakakkakakakaka now my properti ^_______^" Imageshack images won't prove anything. Oh, and if I didn't recall this wrong, you photoshopped the thing. Do you think we, a community of so many people, are that stupid? Your community is basically useless. Don't make me laugh. 90% noobs, 5% tards, 4% Alt-tabbers and another 1% of them pro. That makes you the only one. Are you SURE you're the person who made the WHOLE server folder?
In conclusion, you fail. Seriously. You fail to the core. Get a life. Learn some moral. Because from what I see, you're really long away from getting matured. And no, age doesn't measure one's maturity. I see that even though you're old enough to take care of yourself, you are basically outright immatured.
* P.S.: I don't care if I get banned for the negative comments I made. I see that Usako has been very ill-treated, and as a friend I would like to back her up when noobs attack.
Kittomi, I disagree with you. I actually feel fun getting angry at noobs. XD
Think of it like Me and Ramen.
I eat it all the time and I never get tired of eating it :D
Kittomi, I just take it out on Vash and Jynx when I don't have the freedom to do so on my teachers at school. xD
But still, I actually hate them. So I kill two birds with one stone. XD
lets just let them rant and rave about whateever they want casue this is really between Jynx/Vash and Usako
All these other ppl have nothing to do with it at all
The mods have closed this topic once before and opened up casue they swore Kitt was this l33T char but again there was no proof and yes he did say he thinks
but in the end just close the topic. get our and her links off and get on with our lives fer say
Disagree. :(
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 27, 2006, 12:28 PM
This whole topic is a waste of time and should be shut down its not doing anyone any good and only causing hurt feeling all around,
Right now its just a big he said she said thing and its not going to get resolved this way. so just end it.
Kittomi, if it's a waste of time, don't join in.
As of now, I'm retiring from the topic, UNLESS my name is brought up. However, the topic is going to stay open.
I also ask for Rageful Zen to withdraw from this topic UNLESS his name is brought up. It's his choice, but seeing how he just wants to "protect the family", I dont think he should go on as well.
Like he said, if you don't want to see this topic, don't join in. :D
Well hmm..
You're complaining about something that you dont want to see anymore.
You were suggested to leave the topic, yet you still are here.
Dunno how this is a publicity since its not really helping RMS at all.
Why dont you just leave?
You're the one whos creating the uproar while there's no one's around o.o;
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 27, 2006, 01:02 PM
See none of you can name one thing good that can come from this continueing? so why not close it once and for all?
Amusement. Making Jynx Online look bad. Giving me something to read while I eat. Increasing my post count. Getting the truth out there. Show Vash as the idiot he truly is. I could go on if you want me to?
the thing is that this thread is no longer who is right or wrong casue it has no become just a pissing match..
the main subject has been lost and this is know pointless in everyway.
50% of the evidence has been shown and thats the main and only truth
meaning
50% is showing whom created the sprite ( but it is another he said she said)
50% is showing that effort was put in to contact the accussed ( which has not been shown)
so continue on with this physco bable it makes no difference who is right or wrong
100% of the proof on the accussed has not been shown plan and simple
Stop making stuff up. Jynx and Vash are at fault in this whole matter. It's as simple as that. Just get them to write a damn apology and we'll be done with this. Until then I'm going to have fun reading/posting in this topic.
Quote from: Usako on Sep 27, 2006, 10:56 AM
as for not trying to contact you. i PMed you on the eAthena boards some months ago. you denied ever being involved with jynx online. if it weren't for the new eA forums being wiped of my PMs i would paste them here for everyone to see. sharing your account is a bad idea anyway...and i'm sure the people you share it with all know you're with jynx online...so i dont see why they wouldn't say "i'm not actually vash, i'm using his account, but yes he's from jynx online". unless you share it with random people.
this is for Slaw that cant read I guess
It plainly says in her own words she does not have any proof of messages
You mis read my whole post
Let me spell it out for you casue apparently you can figure it out on your own
This is for anything in general meaning any arrgument ever
1.if you claim something show proof ( am i right )
She says she made them fine for this example lets say she did
2.If you plainly state like she did in here post from begining of these thread to the end that you have tried to contact them then you need to show that right?
3.If you have only one part of this then how is it 100% legit fer say...
Come on ppl i know that you ppl are not dum and i am not trying to say that Usako is innocent nor am i saying jynx/vash is all i am saying is that if you say somthing you better back it up and if you want to state that Jynx has not backed up anything fine but neither has Usako
Thats all i am saying . u keep mis reading my posts and they are not hard to read nor understand
No need for insults there. But whatever. See, what matters isnt if she did or didnt contact Vash/Jynx. What matters is that they never gave her credit nor asked for permission, right? I couldnt care less if Usako tried contacting Vash or not. Because really, that shouldnt be needed. Fact is that sprites got stolen, and fake "proof" (those photoshopped pics) was presented to cover it all up. Also, let's say she never did contact Vash. As soon as this topic was made, people from Jynx-Online started showing up and posted about it. There's no way in hell Vash/Jynx wouldnt find out about this. Especially not if 5 of you live in the same house (Yeah right). And, seeing as this topic's been around for quite some time, and there still havent been a proper apology from Vash/Jynx's side, Usako PM'ing Vash a long time ago shouldnt really matter. See, the only thing that would change would be that Vash/Jynx had yet another chance to apologize.
u know Slaw that was a very intelligent post
and i understand what u r saying but also look at it this way as well
what IF they found the sprite on the internet without knowing it was a sprite that is not to be used by anyone without permission?
in that asspect she would try to contact jynx/vash to find out whats going on right ?
thats all...
this has gotten to a point that is alittle riddulous.
Lets just sit back and see what transpirers in this matter..
and I am srry for insulting u in that manner i was alittle pissed from a customer that i just had and had to vent alittle LOL
If they did find the sprite or sprites on the net without knowing it's Usako's, I still think they should apologize to her. Even if they didnt know it at first, they're still stealing in the end. And she did say she contacted Vash, just 'cause you say she may not have, doesnt mean she didnt.
i understand but it is not me that said she didnt contact them
she just doesnt have proof that she did
In the end I feel that both sides needs to say srry and i will tell u y
Usako needs to apologize for not trying harder or whatever, if it was this much of a big deal to her she would have gotten a hold of them or evern part of the Gm staff to clear this up
Jynx/Vash needs to apologize for having the sprite with possible intent but i assure you it is not being used in the server....
And both needs to apologize for insulting each other
they dont have to like each other but they just have to respect each other u know.
Know wether either side apologizes is another question LMAO
But in no way shape or form am I saying that they have too
Dude... Usako has nothing to apologize for.
you missed the point Slaw
if the accussed was unknowingly using someone elses item and was never confronted about it
but later a forum thread was made of flames or what not later without even trying to contact the accussed dont u think that the person putting the blame on the other person just needs to say srry for not ask you if you could etc.......
thats all
from a 3rd person point of view she has a good case BUT still doesnt prove where they got the sprite from but thats not even the case and we are far behond this know
she stated that she doesnt have that type of proof in the contact part
So in all fairness that is why they both should.. thats all
I am not taking sides if you think i am, i my be a Gm on Jynx-online but I am also a peace maker fer say and very good at it and that is y i am a Gm
And to clear something as well I am the easiest person to get a hold of on Jynx-Online so she could have easily contacted me if she couldnt get a hold of them but thats neither here nor there right
"-The post you made was edited, you continued to flame, therefore you were banned. That is common sense, get banned for flaming. Funny how you don't post about all the flaming you did on our forums. Why otherwise would we close the forums?"
See see no no, People on IRC (namely Usako, erKURITA and possibly Riotblade) can vouch for me on the chain of events about my registering on your forums:
1. Registered.
2. Posted my topic here: http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/jmanfffreak/jynxfails.jpg (This post can be found in your topic about how you got banned from RMS).
3. I refreshed the page about 5 minutes later, and found the message that I was banned. When I had reregistered, I went to the same topic, only to find that my post was gone, and Jynx' reply was similar to "I didn't want anyone seeing that link because it has 20 sprites on it". Unfortunetly, you guys are digging a hole with the whole deleing your forums and redoing them thing. Why would you delete that kind of post outright?
4. I tehn posted in the same topic, a link to that screenie mentioned above, THAT post was deleted as well, and my SECOND account was banned, and quite possibly my entire IP range with it, which is just immature. The topic was closed, and that was the end of it, I posted no more.
So my post WAS NOT edited, and I was wrongfully banned. Lets see what else.
In your post Vash, in here, you state that we should come up with proof. Okay, let's go.
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg755#msg755
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg766#msg766
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg786#msg786
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg820#msg820
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg824#msg824
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg849#msg849
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg853#msg853
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg856#msg856
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg860#msg860
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg868#msg868
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg870#msg870
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg877#msg877
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg889#msg889
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg894#msg894
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg900#msg900
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg903#msg903
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg912#msg912
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg913#msg913
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg931#msg931
There's all your proof, right there, from our party. Lets see, I can't find a SOLID piece of evidence to backup your claims, and to make a rebuttal against our claims and evidence.
Vash: All you did was post WORDS, just like you said we did, when we have provided links to topics, pictures, and even your data folder, for evidence against you, and all you can do is form a rebuttal with words. Words are not going to tell us anything. And that personal insult towards Usako has just put you on my s*** list, because that was VERY VERY uncalled for, and you are no better than the rapists that go to jail in my eyes right now.
Oh, and thinking about taking us to court? Don't bother. the signature by Usako still exists in your data folder/GRF/dll. that's a losing battle for you. What else? You hexed Gravity's client. Another losing battle for you. that's strike two. How many more can we get? Like erKURITA said, if you plan to go to courts with this, you better come up with just more than words, because a jury will want proof, not just words, like you said, it's the internet, anything can be said and someone will believe it. you believe that Freya was published and released BEFORE RC4? GO LOOK IT UP, AND PROVIDE PROOF AS WE HAVE. You will find that Freya was released very shortly after eAthena's RC4 was released. and your claims don't prove anything about you NOT using eAthena as an amulator. If you are NOT using eAthena as an emulator, again, PROVE IT. Post up a small section of your coding from your src folder, so we can compare it with eA's. We're waiting.
well, i was brought back in after someone had called the gm staff -- whatever..
anyways... even though i have no power in what to say since, its pretty much gotten into flaming.. i will still keep my head up.
This is for Usako only btw:
I'd like to personally apologize for any misactions I or other people have done, If you claim for whatever you claim, then i wont stop your claim. you can have it free of will.. The pimp hat is not on the server, i gaurantee you.. if im lying then there's no such thing as the four noble truths..
I do not mean to be harsh, i am not looking forward from a response, i know your waiting for a response from vash (since jynx cant register) about his situation and/or apology..
I am a fair person, if you dont believe me.. i dont know who will..
my best bet is that if vash/jynx apologizes and say the pimp hat is yours, then this topic will be dropped..
seeing you have MANY friends supporting,flaming,scavenging for evidence... its hard for even me to get out to you..
seeing that nobody would listen to someone they dont know and rather listen to their friends.. i understand..
well in the end.. on my opinion, id like to think of things as it doesnt even matter... if, ofcoarse, nothing did happen..
I am still willing to be a friendly or alliable person.. i mean no harm, and i dont flame, if you ever do want to talk to me.. i wont refuse and deny you.
I cant think of anything else to say.. and i hope you accept what i have to say.. if at all, i will add to whatever needs to be added
I have nothing much to say, it's all been said, proof has shown, if you want to see you are able to see all you want other than those links whose content were destroyed by a third party.
I just had one question come into my mind, recapping this:
Quote from: Jynx
This Usako, has never come to me and told me these are her sprites. It wasnt until recently when she just posted a review on my ratemyserver page that I even knew anything about her claiming these sprites.
I got the sprites from a Japanese Custom Online site. Here are two links to prove I got them on this site.
http://i10.tinypic.com/2yoae08.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/4i1jq0n.jpg
And of course the link from ragcan:
http://www.ragcan.com/ori.htmlAs we all admitted, including Vash himself, that the links Jynx gave were photoshoped and there were two different explanations given, one to their players and another to us, which I found both were merely excuses (what you believe is up to you).
and I'll quote myself in my first email to Jynx-Online about their server suspension (content can be found here:
http://ratemyserver.org/jynx.txt):Quote from: yC
In fact, Usako, one of the very respectful spriter in the eAthena community has filed and backed-up her complaint about Jynx-Online stolen her sprite and did not give credit for it.
I didn't say specifically which sprite were stolen from Usako on Jynx-Online in the email. Now if you look at the forged images sent from Jynx to me in the email (listed above), out of all 200++ custom sprites in her wonderful server, which sprite you see forged on the images? We see only two, and both of them are made by Usako (pimp hat and floppy bunny).
What does this tell me after I realized this "coincidence", is that Jynx is well aware of which sprite on her server is made by Usako? because I mentioned the complain were from Usako in my first email so Jynx replied with images (photoshoped) to explain where she got Usako's sprite from?
From all the above put together, I came up with 3 possible answers:
1) Jynx is well aware of which sprite on her server were made by Usako yet, she never attempt to give credit,
AND/OR
2) Usako did approached Jynx/Vash to notify them specifically which sprite(s) she made were on Jynx-Online
AND/OR
3) Jynx, after gotten my email with the name Usako on it, she go look in her server's custom sprite, did some research with Usako's work. Came up with those two sprites (pimp hat and floppy bunny) that she found is made by Usako AND also on her server, then Jynx cannot find the source site she claimed these sprites were taken from, seeing the admin of RMS is not a spriter, assumed I am stupid. She decided to photoshop Usako's sprites that were also on Jynx-Online onto some japanese site (ragcan) and emailed me back with links to the forged image as "proof". Yes, if you think this is the most likely case, then I don't understand one thing. Like you gentlemen and ladies from Jynx-Online said it multiple times, "the pimp hat was never on Jynx-Online" or being the truthful R.Zen he said "It was there for a while and removed a long time ago" (something like that can't find the exact). If that is the case, let's assume the Pimp hat AND the floppy bunny were never used on Jynx-Online (i am giving her the benefits of the doubt here), and that Jynx should be not guilty of any act of stealing. Then why Jynx would waste her valuable GM/Admin/Wife time, find out which sprite on her server is made by Usako (assume she doesn't know, otherwise go back to case#1 or case#2), make up forged screenshots to show me where she got *Usako*'s sprites. If the sprites weren't even on Jynx-Online to begin with, she can just deny the claim, tell me it was never on her server in the reply to my email, she really don't have to show any "proof" where she got them from unless they are really on her server. Now that she showed "proof", we have a contradiction, so now can we safely assume that those sprite were in fact on her server (at some point in time and still is, otherwise why does she have to "prove" for them, this was just 3 days ago), and after her little research she should be well aware of that those sprites on her server (at least pimp hat and floppy bunny) are made by Usako. Now where is the credit given? and what about the claim that "the pimp hat was never on Jynx-Online" said by Jynx-Online people in this forum. Now, which is right? Ladies and Gentlemen from Jynx-Online is giving us mixed answers. Your server mistress "proved" to me that she got Usako's sprites from bleh bleh (whatever it wasn't from there anyway), doesn't that already tell everyone that she did have Usako's sprite on her server?
Ok, 3 cases, pick which one that suits your taste, I don't know but all 3 seems guilty already. Because no credits were given at any point in time and in all cases it showed that Jynx know who made those sprites, if you still need prove that those sprite were made by Usako, I believe she welcome you to approach her.
Uhmm dude this topic is kinda dead now everythings been resolved its been for a while but no one listens vash even admitted he forged that if you bothered to read his long post and teh sprites arent on his server anymore for the last time
Quote from: Justinb52 on Sep 27, 2006, 07:03 PM
Uhmm dude this topic is kinda dead now everythings been resolved its been for a while but no one listens vash even admitted he forged that if you bothered to read his long post and teh sprites arent on his server anymore for the last time
i am staying on topic, i am taking about "Jynx-Online STEALS" obviously, in my previous post. Of course i read he admitted he forged the screen, i mentioned that in my previous post too, bother to read? and i am doubting what you said: "teh sprites arent on his server anymore for the last time" (apply this to 3 days ago), bother to read and give some support on your side?
I 100% understand where u r coming from Yc and to tell you the truth I am just to tired to even think lol (12 hr day at work and the dumbest customers u can imagine alive)
I think Rage and I understand and like he says he apologizes for any misunderstand any any claims that are brought to anyones attention.
If i may say 1 think.. I keep saying that there is always 100% for evidence right and I am not denying anything at all..
in this case it is 50% to prove the sprites right and
50% to prove that contact was atempted ( yes i know speller is horrible)
the sprite case was pleaded but the proof of trying to contact anyone is still out there but thats niether here nor there..
I have personally not seen the hat ( even tho a Pimp Hat would be sweet LOL) and i am not sure of the bunny hat that u are speaking of and I am not being dum about it.
But anyway
I personally apologize for any flaming for anything i have said to offend anyone and I know that I said a disrespectful thing to Slaw and I apologized for that already
No you're wrong Justin, almost nothing has been resolved:
1) Vash/Jynx/Both hasn't wrote how on hell did they get the sprites
2) They haven't apologized for all the lies AND the RateMyServer rampage on other servers they caused.
3) They haven't apologized for all the blasphemy they have said (Creating Freya? GRF impossible to open? Flaming Usako? Threathening me to carry me over to a lawsuit? eAthena sucks/fails/is dumb?) to us.
4) They haven't told the truth to their players.
And I stand still on my decision of releasing their sprite folder in 1 week, unless they fulfill these things.
If anything all they are asked to do is apologize to Usako
so you might as well forget them even thinking of saying anything to you peroid..
Come on gimmie a break LOL
You are in the wrong as well erKURITA coming on the forums and trying to flame ever thread in there lol
DUDE YOU GUYS ARE FREAKN IDIOTS EVERYONE HAS HER CRAP BECAUSE SHE LEAVES HER FREAKN DBS OPEN http://iosro.files.deltaanime.net i cant remember the link to the other one but it had a bunch of crap in it also i will try to find that link now. ANOTEHR THING IS YOU FREAKN POSTED THE SPRITES RIGHT ON THIS FORUM SO MORE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET THEM SOUNDS LIKE YOU ONLY FREAKN CARE ABOUT IS BRINGING JYNX DOWN NOTHING ELSE YOU DONT EVEN HAVE PROOF SHE MADE THOSE WE NEED 100% PROOF. Just a bunch of fags like you guys proves nothing AND FOR THE LAST TIME JYNX DOESNT HAVE THOSE GAY SPRITES ON TEHRE SERVER EVEN IF THERE IN TEH DATA FOLDER MEANS NOTHING..
Here go ahead take the floppy bunny everyone
http://kismet.files.deltaanime.net/floppy_bunny/
Might as well take the pimp hat too
http://kismet.files.deltaanime.net/pimp_hat/
See thats why everyone has her stupid headgears.
One last thing that data folder you got from that dll is an old one mind updating it first?
I apologize for my absence. I have been at college the past 7 hours or so.
So you want proof that I made the sprites? What to you want me to show you? PSD files? I can't tell you straight out I have no PSD files for headgear sprites, because I do them all in BMP format. I do however, have the original bmp files that have the original 'modified' date on them. However, I am not sure if that would be able to prove anything. I don't know if when you extract a sprite, the modified date is its original. Hmm I'll check now...
Okay so it doesn't keep the original date. I will ask Jynx online to show me proof of when they obtained my sprites (I said PROOF. Not your word.) And I will screenshot, and send a few people a copy of one of my bitmap files so they can confirm the date.
Also, someone said they know who made the checkered cap...well I'd like to show my prototype for it, and then my finished version.I at first made it pixel by pixel...but when I put it on an RO head sprite, I didn't like how it was shaped. Knowing the boys cap looked alright, I decided to use that shape for it instead. Here are the images of the original checkered cap, boys cap, and the lateest checkered cap. I made the original in February 05, and the newer one in May 05.
(http://usako.files.deltaanime.net/images/checkcap.jpg)
I am not proud of this sprite...in fact I'd love to say I didn't make it. But I don't want to lie. In fact I'm not proud of a lot of my sprites. I think they are crap. I plan to remake some of them someday (like floppy bunny). I just dont have the time anymore after starting college.
So if I don't like my own sprites...why do I care if people steal them? Because, I made things for my server to make it more unique. Then people come and steal our data and get out the things that were never released. I'm just glad some of the things they gained access to weren't used. Whether I like them or not. I spent/d countless hours making these things...and people deface them...deface my reputation...personally insult me and post pictures of me calling me fat...and dont even give credit. it's bad enough they don't give credit...but they take it for themselves! I am not saying vash or jynx ever took credit for my sprites...but they do say I didn't make them. And they ARE taking credit for certain sprites I KNOW aren't theres, because I saw them originate in chinese and japanese communities (Like penpon's wings...made YEARS ago).
It has already been proven and confirmed that l33talchemist indeed is involved with jynx online. so how is it not obvious he stole my files after getting access to them? it would be less believable if he had actually played my server, but no....it was kinda like a one night stand. ouch!
So, tell me how I can provide you proof I made things. It's already been proven that the files in Jynx's data have my "watermark" on them (even though they said that they weren't there...I checked and they were...see for yourself if you don't believe it. :o). They have already lied about their grf being unopenable. two people have done it so far, i urge the rest of you to try it for yourself. if you need help with GRFs I will link you to a guide. erKURITA and I have been doing client editing for a couple years so we know the ins and outs of using programs like GRF tool, spr conview, etc.
As for providing proof of contact, I will attempt to get deltas attention and see if he has any PM logs or anything of the sort from the old boards. My PMs got wiped and I figured "hey a nice mailbox clean out...thanks!" I didn't think there was anything of real importance in there. So we shall see.
I don't believe I have once flamed anyone. Calling something a joke I wouldn't consider being flaming. I do believe they are joking with us all, or if not us, their players. I have nothing against Zen. This is between Jynx/Vash and I, yet they have not given me any hotmail contact information. Unless their comcast email works on MSN...
I'm not sure what contacting them would do however. They would just lie to my face, even though I (and my boyfriend) am the one that knows 100% that I made the sprites. So what are they going to do? Try to convince me I didn't make them?
They claim I claimed credit for all those sprites on my server. I have proven that I did not already. Also please view the topic he pulled the image of stuff on my server from: http://www.iosro.deltaanime.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=575
I clearly say that credit has been given to all creators. This is an unedited, old post from when we reopened. But I guess you can only take my word for it on that. There is no way to prove a post is unedited. Here, also is a list of the fully updated credits that are in my installer. LINK (http://usako.files.deltaanime.net/IoScredits.txt)!
I can say this since I have done nothing on their forums. I did not come there flaming them. I didn't tell everyone "GO GIVE JYNX BAD REVIEWS". I gave them a bad review because it was the truth. People should know when servers are lying to their players.
What do I want? I want an apology. They can use my sprites for all I care. But they better damn well give credit, and stop taking credit for other spriter's work as well. If they want I will give them a list of almost every spriter that made things on their server, with the exception of the things found on ragcan that do not come with authors. Some things they have are made by katze, penpon, firestyle, etc. But I see no credit given and it sickens me. It makes me sad for the spriting community that the same thing is happening to them as is to me and they don't know it.
-Apologize to me for defacing my work, reputation, server.
-Admit you were lying about me not making "jack s***".
-Admit you are using eAthena/freya, or at least an edited version of one of the two.
-Apologize to the community of eAthena.
-Apologize and admit your wrongdoings to your players.'
Once all is said and done. I hope everyone else will apologize for raiding Jynx's forums.
All I want is the truth to be revealed to the public...and admitted to and apologized for. We are 1/3 of the way there. We just need the admitting and apologizing part.
Heck...I dont know if this is true...so I wont even blame JYNX for this. My blame is mostly on vash. Who I HAVE contacted and he denied affiliations with JynxRO. My blame is also on l33talchemist, whoever he is, for I am 100% certain it is he who stole my files. Heck, Jynx might even be fooled about everything her husband has told her. I much doubt it, since she has gone around trying to dig up info on me and calling me fat and a b****. But you know...it's possible.
For the record: The bunny hat was not stolen. That is free download to the public. The pimp hat should only reside in my client files, and jbain's client files. Nothing more. However, they did say I didn't make those sprites (and their reasoning for saying that was that my "gay little credit" isn't in there...which it is. Like I said. LOOK.)
So lastly. What proof do you want. How do you want it? Can I give you what you want? I'm not sure. But I'll certainly try. It's hard to prove you made a graphic, specially without PSD files. But if it's any consolation I DO have PSD files for my scion scout npcs (would be hard to make them without layers...unlike headgears), so that I can at least prove to you I know how to sprite, which they also claim I don't know s*** about spriting.
P.S. To the last post. erKURITA already removed a couple frames from the pimp hat...so if people steal it they're only going to get a couple frames of it. Floppy bunny is freely released to be public so I could care less if they get it off there. By the way you have the link wrong to my patch. LOL. And the stolen files aren't even in the downloadable client....Download my client here: http://iosrofiles.deltaanime.net/IoSROLite.exe and find out for yourself. That is the only client available for download. The other one, even if it was up for download, requires a serial code. So unless you hack the files out (which would be stealing in itself) you could not get to them.
If they are in the data folder, they still took them. It's not a question of whether they're being used on the server. It's the principle of the thing that they took them straight from my data. Or l33talchemist did...whoever the hell he is. but it's already been confirmed, like i said, that he is involved with jynx online...and apparently lives in the same house.
You do realise l33talchemist is an old friend of Vash he never lived here he just often played ro here on my computer he hasnt been here in years though. Dude for the last time the files arent on his server and that data you showed with them in it tahst an old old data folder. Yet they still had your credit on them when they werent even in use so taht water mark proves tehy did give credit just kinda hidden. And i didnt ask for proof of your checkered boys cap thing i was talking about teh floppy bunny and pimp hta but oh well. And why teh heck should tehy apologise when you guys posted a huge topic saying a bunch of crap and there not even using those images at this point. And i know for a fact Jynx has never once lied to there players they never said tehy made any of that stuff or anything like that so yea. Maybe you did make those I dont know but I just dont liek this crap spreading around when its not a big deal. And if i were you id be glad to see sprites i made everywhere. I wouldnt be so mad if people claim they are theres its just a sprite a computer graphic come on get a life if its that big of a deal. Sorry for all those typos i type with 2 fingers and dont look at the keyboard o_o remembered all the keys.
yes. they are sprites computer graphics.
so say you were a web designer. you made a design for someone...and someone else took it. would you not be mad? that's basically the case here with the pimp hat. i made it for someone...and other people are taking it.
i never said you asked for proof on checkered cap. but someone kept saying I KNOW WHO MADE IT AND IT WASN'T YOU! BLAH BLH BLAH! so yeah...i decided to show it.
it's not old data. the data folder we have was from " 4: Download "Jynx Files 08-07-06" ". So if we have old files then they are distributing old files on their site and should probably update it ;p they should probably also remove any sprites they are not using.
and no...they didn't give credit. it was me who put that credit frame in when i made the sprite. yet they said i didn't make it. how is saying i didn't make it giving credit?
they are lying to their players about the "not using eathena/freya/aegis" thing. also been proved -_-
CEASE BEING FOOLS.
I have not read the last 6 pages, cause I dont have time for this. We all have plenty of evidence that Jynx Online has Usako's sprites. Im tired of this. Nothing Dark Sin(haha, you pwnd that mage n00b in jynx online) or anyone else can change that. I dont know nor care if they got it from IOSRO, Ragcan, or anything else. We have sufficent evidence. Lock this topic please, as im tired of this. We can all go about feeling happy we have proved Jynx Online has those sprites, and Jynx Online people, go be happy this topic is closed and you dont have to waste anymore time on it.
End of story, lock this topic pl0x.
No, the topic will not be locked. I know I have said somethings that were in the wrong, but I will not give a formal apology until Vash/Jynx gives a formal apology to Usako for saying those things about her/to her at least. That's all -I'm- looking for, seeing as how I like Usako as a really good friend, and the words spoken by Vash were simply uncalled for, same with Jynx. They had no right to flame her like that, and I'd like to hear at least an apology about that, and then I will give my apology to the community of Jynx-Online, and be on my way. I think that a formal apology to Usako for using the Pimp hat, should be given as well, and an apology to the members/devs of eAthena for saying you were not using their emu, becuase that is lying in itself. There is still alot to be done here, apologies and such, so carry on. We're waiting.
No dude Im vashs brother you think i wouldnt know whats going on? He combined different things such as eathena and freya together and re scripted some of it and kept the @commands for the gms so tehy wouldnt be all confused >.> He isnt running on aegis eathena or freya and he did make freya but not on his own you do know there was a group of people working on freya after a while a bunch of them left cus they got bored of it he was one of them....
For teh last time tehy dont have them they only have them in there data folder which they just gotta update and take them out look through the headgears I have seen almost everyone there is no pimp hat or floppy bunny in tehre server atm
You think they really have time for looking for all the sprites +giving them all credit and they dont wanna give credit to anyone without having proof they made them also give jynx and vash the proof and im sure something will happen
They still had the sprites, and they were in the data folder. Why have them in the data folder without using them? That's a nice way of wasting space. you just proved that Usako had her sprites stolen, so eh, whatever.
No dont you read i said they were probably still in tehre cus tehy need to update it theyll probably be otu next update and just because they had them doesnt mean they stole them I have seen those sprites everywhere tons of servers they coulda easily got them from a site
Being in the data folder means nothing unless tehre in game
Couple things:
QuoteYou are in the wrong as well erKURITA coming on the forums and trying to flame ever thread in there lol
That made me laugh. Quite some. I never, ever flamed on your forums, I actually kept myself shut regarding eAthena and Usako, but no, you guys had to delete the threads. Oh and Demon, you know Click and me were right on that thread. Face it.
QuoteDUDE YOU GUYS ARE FREAKN IDIOTS EVERYONE HAS HER CRAP BECAUSE SHE LEAVES HER FREAKN DBS OPEN http://iosro.files.deltaanime.net i cant remember the link to the other one but it had a bunch of crap in it also i will try to find that link now. ANOTEHR THING IS YOU FREAKN POSTED THE SPRITES RIGHT ON THIS FORUM SO MORE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET THEM SOUNDS LIKE YOU ONLY FREAKN CARE ABOUT IS BRINGING JYNX DOWN NOTHING ELSE YOU DONT EVEN HAVE PROOF SHE MADE THOSE WE NEED 100% PROOF. Just a bunch of fags like you guys proves nothing AND FOR THE LAST TIME JYNX DOESNT HAVE THOSE GAY SPRITES ON TEHRE SERVER EVEN IF THERE IN TEH DATA FOLDER MEANS NOTHING..
Here go ahead take the floppy bunny everyone
http://kismet.files.deltaanime.net/floppy_bunny/
Might as well take the pimp hat too
http://kismet.files.deltaanime.net/pimp_hat/
See thats why everyone has her stupid headgears.
One last thing that data folder you got from that dll is an old one mind updating it first?
That made me laugh. MUCH harder. It actually made my day.
Do you think I'm an idiot, releasing the sprites we're talking about and de-compiled? I removed frames to prevent that kind of stuff >_> and did not include the .act because it was not needed. Smarten up please.
QuoteYou think they really have time for looking for all the sprites +giving them all credit and they dont wanna give credit to anyone without having proof they made them also give jynx and vash the proof and im sure something will happen
I should gather up the original spriters and organize a mass sue on you guys B) You guys could also kept your mouth shut with the "We maid all da spraitz amaigawdlololol r0x0rz" and stuff and not have said a thing.
Oh and before you say, the data folder I'm releasing in 6 days won't have Usako's sprites, nor any I find over eAthena. Over ASB... that's a different thing, they can contact me for removal of the sprite.
Tic Toc Tic Toc Tic Toc :)
you can put my sprites in it if you want...the ones i have released anyway XD
Dude you cant sue us for anything and we never said we made any of the images. Go ahead sue us for nothing. You can sue us when we are all using an illegal game every sprite you are using is illegal gravity could sue you all right now oh did you guys give any credit to gravity for anything? No you didnt
Vash is the only one who gave credit to gravity
Quote from: Justinb52 on Sep 27, 2006, 08:33 PM
No dude Im vashs brother you think i wouldnt know whats going on? He combined different things such as eathena and freya together and re scripted some of it and kept the @commands for the gms so tehy wouldnt be all confused >.> He isnt running on aegis eathena or freya and he did make freya but not on his own you do know there was a group of people working on freya after a while a bunch of them left cus they got bored of it he was one of them....
You just admitted he doesn't make Freya and he is running off stuff from eAthena and Freya. "He combined" "different things such as eathena and freya together" and "re scripted some of it", did i just read "some of it"? of course, say i'll give u credit for 50% (probably alot less in reality, but whatever i am nice), now where's the other 50%, they are eAthena and Freya as you said. With that you saying, I'll tell you I own Google because I have one share of their stock. Come on, get real, stop saying non-sense. There are alot of ppl doing what he did, alot of custom servers out there, i don't see them claiming their server is not eAthena, not Freya, "I made it" etc crap.
"he did make freya but not on his own" now this, maybe he was a developer at some point in time, prove please? heh, joking, i mean even if he really is a developer, what did he make, there are developers in the team for one day and got fired for stupidity. That is so different from claiming I MAKE FREYA NOW ADMIRE ME KIDS. In a software development process, there are different degree of involvement, the fact that the name Vash isn't anywhere found around Freya and compare to the popularity of the name Yor around Freya, we know who's the winner here.
If you are Vash's brother, please let him know this, and reply to it:
Quote from: yC
Vash, give us your lawyer's contact, I think someone wants it, no msn/aim please, we want phone number, who to speak to, and what is your case # or client # that we can make reference to you. PM one of us if you don't want to make it public or don't want to make another post as you said.
I really think we might need it if this can't solve here, especially Vash's brother just told us how Vash "made Freya" and running a server "not eAthena and not Freya".
Edit:
Quote from: Justinb52
For teh last time tehy dont have them they only have them in there data folder which they just gotta update and take them out look through the headgears I have seen almost everyone there is no pimp hat or floppy bunny in tehre server atm
Then why Jynx photoshoped the fake proof with the pimp hat/floppy bunny on some japanese site, if she didnt use it, why bother. Just for fun? Too much time?
Quote from: Justinb52
You think they really have time for looking for all the sprites +giving them all credit and they dont wanna give credit to anyone without having proof they made them also give jynx and vash the proof and im sure something will happen
Yes, i think they have a lot of time just like how they made that fake proof lol but these days they are too busy to cover up their lies.
I didnt admit that at all I said he was one of the workers for it so he did make part of it dont ask me about it this was years ago and thats why theres nothing about him there
So, what about your hexed client? What prevents us from anonymously e-mailing your server, saying you claim to have made a client which does not need nProtect to access their servers? We know you hadn't, neither you have a custom client, because it's the same size as mine's, Usako's, anyone else's. Oh and why do I say it? You would say cygwin32.dll was a dependancie. Why it can't? First:
1) I know all cygwin libraries ;)
2) A library can't be 40 MB big.
So yeah kittomi, tell your friends that are next to you, reading this, to begin writting all they have to say, specially Vash who's the one who showed up and posted.
ALSO, I want the number aswell. I'm calling the lawyer myself :)
You cant sue jynx for nothing her images arent copyrighted they currently arent being used in the game and you dont own gravity so you cant sue for teh hexed client. and doesnt everyone use a hexed client for tehre servers? So might as well try to sue every other server in the world while your at it including usakos
I am not saying I am the one sueing, I'm saying that I'd let gravity handle that case B)
Oh, and since substatial proof that Freya was made by Yor wasn't presented yet, since it seems to be still up in the air that Vash created and built Freya from the ground up, we shall look to Freya's changelog. Ref: http://ookoo.org/svn/freya/trunk/Changelog.txt
09/23
* login.c, some little changes: [Yor]
- counter on remove_control_chars instead of flag
- line counter in read_gm_account, to give correct information
- rename subneti/subnetmaski to subnet/subnetmask
- Added new malloc.h for login-sever (replaced calloc/realloc by new functions, remove check about memory allocation failing)
- in mmo_auth_sync, use a local variable (account_id) to speed up the sorting
- styling
* Created a previous file to secure all files [Yor]
* Added rules of the team [Yor]
FREYA BEGIN HERE, based on eAthena 1.0 RC4
This would be the VERY FIRST commit EVER made to the Freya SVN, and it was made by (guess who!) Yor!~
I don't even see a Vash on the changelog for Freya, actually, unless he wants to lie about who he is. (Don't you DARE say you are Yor, cause we all know that's not true)
This was commited 09/23/2004. Lets look at Evera's topic, located here: http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?showtopic=91829
Aug 4, 2004 - eAthena 1.0 RC3 released.
<-- Couldn't find RC4 Release date - RC4 was crap anyway, imho --> << Last commit to RC4 was 09/25/2004.
Oct 14, 2004 - omniAthena/eAthena merge.
Okay, so maybe not before, but eh, Vash didn't make Freya, nor did he have anything to do with it's development. Just thought I'd get the proof out there for that.
i never said "i want jynx online to die" i said i want creidt given where credit is due. and i did make those, we've already given the proof (the credit frame in the sprites that are in jynx online's data...which they claimed the "gay credit frame" not to be there). i dont see what you don't get about that...
i also personally do not want to take legal action. that's retarded for an online thing...what isn't retarded is wanting credit for something i made. and wanting an apology for being called fat and a b*tch and everything else you called me and the server my boyfriend and i build for fun. i really don't like people who try to f*ck up something we do for fun. it's rude and immature...especially for someone who claims to be married, which must mean you're pretty mature age wise.
want me to prove i can make this stuff? sure, i'll give you a psd file of a sprite i've made if you want. or i'll even make a new sprite. i dont care. just tell me what the f*ck i have to do to prove it's my stuff....since you obviously can't prove it ISN'T (all i've seen you say is "she didn't make it" so where is the proof? tell me who made the sprite. tell me who made the sprite that i made in my own time and maybe i'll belive it ;p though it's pretty hard to convince someone who was there when it was made ;p). also the people here (some of them) DO know i created the sprites. almost every time i'm in athena and i'm creating a sprite i show progress images or at least a prototype image of it.
Quoteoh did you guys give any credit to gravity for anything? No you didnt
Vash is the only one who gave credit to gravity
actually i did. take a look at my installer credits. and this post: http://www.iosro.deltaanime.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=577
credit is given to gravity on both. kthnx.
if gravity wanted to sue they would have already. i would like to see proof of your legal documents however, and what all is included in those copyrights. i am quite interested. when i checked about 7 months ago they said all their client contents were copyright them.
oh and by the way...why are there original gravity sprites on their custom items page? o_o
FULL PROOF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freya_%28Ragnarok_Online%29
Freya (Ragnarok Online)
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Freya is an open-source, Ragnarok Online server emulation tool for many platforms, written to run natively on Unix and Unix-like operating systems (such as FreeBSD, Haiku, NetBSD and Linux) and also capable of running on Windows through Cygwin. It is a derivative off Aegis and is generally considered to be one of the most stable server emulators. It was originally called Project YARE until Gravity, the maker of Ragnarok Online, threatened a lawsuit unless the leaders of Project YARE discontinued the project and removed it from the internet in as many places as they added it. FREYA was the new project started by a coder nick named Vash, later a few YARE fans/coders have taken it over, breaking away from the eAthena community to avoid any confusion in thinking that they are related projects. It's less known now, but still accessible.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/justinb52/vash.jpg
Vash did in fact start freya search project freya on wikipedia and its all there i got a ss just in case someone trys to change it
wikipedia can be modified by anyone that wants to...
"This page was last modified 15:00, 10 September 2006."'
Yep...
but then again lets ask the current admin of freya...and look at the freya site...see if vash's name is ever mentioned.
...i just did...i went to the link they provided...but like i said...wikipedia definitions can be altered by anyone. heck i could alter it myself if i wanted. see? i just did. kthnxftw.
except they wont talk. or admit to anything. so it's pretty pointless anyway. i just hate people who personally insult me and try to rui my reputation.
as for me "trying to bring down jynx online", that's BS. i never intended anything of the sort. i didn't think they should be allowed on RMS of course because of all this. however they seem to be making fools of themselves anyway....not my problem really. what is my problem is that they are saying untruths about me and my server. when it comes down to it, that means they are also insulting my boyfriend too since he is the admin of the server.
Have you ever considered contacting yor im sure hed remember vash
hey lets looks at the freya page's history on wikipedia!
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freya_%28Ragnarok_Online%29&action=history
maybe you have to be logged in to see it...i'm not sure. but hey...what's this?
# (cur) (last) 01:56, 28 September 2006 KenBeoulve (Talk | contribs)
what?! vash/jynx edited the page on the 28th? that's...TODAY?! omg that must have just decided to post the freya stuff on wikipedia!
according to jynx-online site KenBeoulve @comcast.net is jynx's email BTw.
oh wait no...lets look at what the page looked like BEFORE it was edited.http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freya_%28Ragnarok_Online%29&oldid=74910699
kthnx. lies lies and more lies.
OK. Face the truth, Kittomi. No one gives a DAMN whether Vash works on Freya or not. You guys still don't get the point of the topic do you? Or are you too stupid to understand the whole thing after everything was being shouted on and stuff?
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Justinb52, shut up. You cannot see a person inside out. I can't even see my sister inside out. So what the hell are you on to? Just because he's your brother doesn't mean that he can't be evil. Where did you ever get that concept? You don't have to protect your brother anymore. There is substantial proof that he was, and is still now, a big fat liar.
He basically stole someone else's work and NEVER gives credit for it. Companies don't care if you used their stuff for 4 days, 5 days or whatever. It's still STEALING in every damn aspect I see it. And what's worse is that he didn't even give credits to Usako. He claimed to have found the sprites on the internet. OK, fine with me. But can't you add a line saying: "All sprites are not owned by Jynx Online. Credits should not be given to us but their respective owners, which are as follows : *blah blah blah* Note that some sprites are also not made by us and only found on websites."
Just because you want to be an original RO server, doesn't mean you can be one. Unless everything was only taken from Gravity and others are all your work. THAT's called an original server. From what I see, most of your server sprites shouldn't even be there if other people didn't created it. You stole it, right? And you never give credit whatsoever. OK, fine. If you didn't give credit, no problem. But you also claimed the credit. Who the hell are you in this world to claim credit? Because you found the sprites? Bleh.
Just to tell you, although you have taken Freya. Freya is still BASED off eAthena, and there are still eA codes inside the src folder. How can you update it so frequently, you liar? Like I mentioned in my post last time, Gravity keeps releasing new stuff. e.g. Homonculus, New Jobs, New Towns. How can you say that none are taken from eA and/or Freya and/or Prometheus and/or another emulator? You couldn't have scripted everything for it. Don't fsking lie to me. Even the huge number of devs from eA cannot finish it that quickly. A big fat liar in my opinion.
If you say you have created the emulator all by yourself, you're wrong. You may be just a little noob dev by then who maybe did some addition and some subtraction. You aren't the owner of Freya, stop thinking about it. I bet Yor can do much more things better than you. Then you say you weren't a liar. Come on, you photoshopped the proofs. Why is there a need to do so, if you yourself are innocent? Surely that would've given a big clue on who you really are.
We give you a lot of proof. We give you all the pictures, all the data, all the website links. Yet you say we didn't give you proof. You claimed that you gave a lot of proof. All I see are just a bunch of small talk saying how great you are. Where's your actual proof, huh? Links plz? None. And dude, the cygwin is your GRF. Don't lie dude. Go search for a DLL file larger than 20MB. Most of the results are the OS and important files. Go to the Cygwin website and you'll see that Cygwin is a few hundred times smaller than your current file.
I don't have the time, so that's all I got.
Quote from: Justinb52 on Sep 27, 2006, 10:03 PM
FULL PROOF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freya_%28Ragnarok_Online%29
Freya (Ragnarok Online)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Freya is an open-source, Ragnarok Online server emulation tool for many platforms, written to run natively on Unix and Unix-like operating systems (such as FreeBSD, Haiku, NetBSD and Linux) and also capable of running on Windows through Cygwin. It is a derivative off Aegis and is generally considered to be one of the most stable server emulators. It was originally called Project YARE until Gravity, the maker of Ragnarok Online, threatened a lawsuit unless the leaders of Project YARE discontinued the project and removed it from the internet in as many places as they added it. FREYA was the new project started by a coder nick named Vash, later a few YARE fans/coders have taken it over, breaking away from the eAthena community to avoid any confusion in thinking that they are related projects. It's less known now, but still accessible.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/justinb52/vash.jpg
Vash did in fact start freya search project freya on wikipedia and its all there i got a ss just in case someone trys to change it
Quote from: Usako
wikipedia can be modified by anyone that wants to...
"This page was last modified 15:00, 10 September 2006."'
Yep...
but then again lets ask the current admin of freya...and look at the freya site...see if vash's name is ever mentioned.
da TA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freya_%28Ragnarok_Online%29&diff=78225172&oldid=74910699I don't think I need to take a screenshot, it will stay there anyway. Looks dirty to me.
Look at this:
"Revision as of 01:56, 28 September 2006 (edit)
KenBeoulve (Talk | contribs)"
KenBeoulve omg, use another name next time? where did i see this before? oh here:
http://jynx-online.net/Staff.htmon Jynx's email, what a "coincidence" again.
More edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freya_%28Ragnarok_Online%29&diff=next&oldid=78227603this one shows the ip: 70.224.39.44 which is the IP of the 5 ppl in the same house, believe it or not.
ragnaparadise please dont use so many flamy words :(
>.>
So much lies.....
Wow, they should just apologize and give credit...
i'd also like to point this out.
the people's IP that were editing wikipedia: 70.224.**.**
l33talchemists IP when he reviewed my server a couple days ago: 70.224.**.**
l33talchemist's IP when he was on my forum in march/april: 70.224.**.**
This same IP (as the first 2) registered as Kittomi...so, if you haven't seen the real l33talchemist in a while...who is using the "fake" one.
I have also been told Justin is on the same IP, as well as Vash. Though, they could all be the same person, we really don't know. But we do know one of them ls l33talchemist...and have been lying about it. they may not have seen the "real" l33talchemist...but one of them certainly is acting in his place.
IPs don't lie, folks.
Quote from: Usako on Sep 27, 2006, 10:45 PM
i'd also like to point this out.
the people's IP that were editing wikipedia: 70.*.*.*
l33talchemists IP when he reviewed my server a couple days ago: 70.*.*.*
l33talchemist's IP when he was on my forum in march/april: 70.*.*.*
This same IP (as the first 2) registered as Kittomi...so, if you haven't seen the real l33talchemist in a while...who is using the "fake" one.
IPs don't lie, folks.
Or do they? DUN DUN DUNNNNN!!!
Wait, I fail to see the point of this post. Maybe im simply stupid. Oh crap, im supposed to be doing homework right now!
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 27, 2006, 10:19 PM
I've said it before and I will keep saying it this whole thing is pointless none of you are gooing to get what you want from this.
Do you have nothing better you could be doing than argueing on this forum?
Plus this whole arguement is between Vash Jynx and Usako no one else needs to be involved. and this topic should be limited to only them talking if it is to be resolved in anyway shape or form.
Excuse me, do you have anything else to say whenever someone bust you or your housemates' lies? You said you want to end this, then in a turn around someone from Jynx-Online go edit the wiki and make a fool out of Vash/Jynx whatever.
If you think it is pointless, why are there ppl on your IP editing the wiki (could be you but we can't be sure as you said, there are only 5 ppl on your IP, you must know who) . You always tell us to stop, but it doesn't seem like you really want a stop.
Quote from: yC on Sep 27, 2006, 10:52 PM
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 27, 2006, 10:19 PM
I've said it before and I will keep saying it this whole thing is pointless none of you are gooing to get what you want from this.
Do you have nothing better you could be doing than argueing on this forum?
Plus this whole arguement is between Vash Jynx and Usako no one else needs to be involved. and this topic should be limited to only them talking if it is to be resolved in anyway shape or form.
Excuse me, do you have anything else to say whenever someone bust you or your housemates' lies? You said you want to end this, then in a turn around someone from Jynx-Online go edit the wiki and make a fool out of Vash/Jynx whatever.
If you think it is pointless, why are there ppl on your IP editing the wiki (could be you but we can't be sure as you said, there are only 5 ppl on your IP, you must know who) . You always tell us to stop, but it doesn't seem like you really want a stop.
It's how noobs are. These people think they're smart. Sadistic ba***rds. >.>
I felt bad for Wiki..
WHEN WILL THE WIKI ABUSE STOP T___T
*gets a sign*
Save wiki and you wont get aids!
Okay. I just HAD to say something because of that edit thing.... How COULD you sink so low as to edit Vash's name in? I've seen the Wikipedia before you even posted that and it said Yor. That's the LOWEST thing I've EVER seen. And though I've tried neither Baka or Jynx, I will never try Jynx Online. Not if this is how it's community acts towards these accusations. With lies, edits, false information. You didn't even have any proof towards saying that the sprites were not Usako's. All you kept doing was personally insulting Usako and saying she never made those sprites, without any proof what-so-ever. What you guys are doing, the way you are responding to this issue, etc, is making Jynx look HORRIBLE. If you'd just admitted maybe you were wrong, and that some of the sprites may have been taken without due credit, you would have at least come out all right, but not now after this mess you pulled.
That's all I had to say-And now, without further a-do, I'm out of this argument. Good luck Usako, I hope you get your apologies and credit, you deserve them for going through this.
My goodness, you guys think we're stupid? Even modifying the Wikipedia just to do more lies?
Go check now your so-called Wikipedia proof. It has been reverted, to the original. YOR is the actual creator. Thank goodness history is there.
Quote from: jman on Sep 27, 2006, 08:46 PM
They still had the sprites, and they were in the data folder. Why have them in the data folder without using them? That's a nice way of wasting space. you just proved that Usako had her sprites stolen, so eh, whatever.
im really tired but i just want to say...
what are the easiest way to trick someone from getting your cheese nips?
you hide the fake in the original box. right?
or ... eat them, whichever.. but..
anyways... i dont like jumping in and out..
clueless people may be, i highly doubt id be understood.
-- i dont have much time to respond to every post everyone makes. so i just grab a few and answer in the short amount of time i have.
yes wikipedia can be changed.. or edited..
we have not (or jynx has not) had the pimp hat on jynx-online from the time i have been on.. i havent seen them... either that or nobody likes them >.>
as for the floppy bunny ears.. ive seen black ones, are those the ones your talking about?
a player named.. Chibi Impulse, i believe.. hast them.. or was it Chibi Sin... er.. ill look when i have the time (sorry to have brought up any player's name)
Jynx/Vash/DeMoN/Anubis/KMart/Damien/or Dark Sin has not lied to me from the time i knew them..
from a long ago post, someone said the gm staff is.. corrupted? i think, or crappy..
its not like that, not at all.. we are fun and joyous to all.. i was online today and ive been getting numurous pms to help them, what do i do? i help.. just like the admins here try to help discuss and finish this with evidence..
Damien/Dark Sin/ the new guy Sora/ and me are usually the active ones online during the day..
if anyone would claim( er... need to choose new word, that words been raped too much) -- say that we are bad gms...
tell me what we do wrong and i will compare with others..
Heck, i came to NLRO after IRO and during the time i was there, i had not been on when there has been any events (if any)
or seen a help desk, But here at Jynx Online, us subgms do as much as we can until the gms arrive to take over..
we hold Help desks whenever we have time, We do events when we get them "authorized" from the higher ranking gms..
we have woe.. we listen to the players, we report any weird activities and handle it.
you can ask any player on jynx online what kind of person i am. and then ask what kind of person jynx is...
and there's your answer, we dont brainwash, we try to take care of the "community" By holding up with all this negative senses,
its a bit hard to take care of the server..
-- as for evidence to anything, i dont have it.. im not very familiar with "hexing" or "spriting" but all i want to get is to see if
either side mainly, vash, and usako to agree that there would be a settlement between this.. instead of "friends" protecting "friends"
-Pimp hat: without a doubt, i remember seeing it in a somewhat tutorial or guide, in the eathena guide.. long long ago(my mistake, i found it in my saved files... its a actor guide)
now, im about 90% sure that everyone would say "oh you made this, this and that".. i will be honest with you. i know nothing about spr. or act. or whatever, im a web dev ish kind of guy.. i do html,dhtml,flash, and all that junk..
i uploaded this file, im curious. -and a bit wormish to look at usako's ... pimp hat.
are they the same?
http://www.freewebs.com/erykmichalak/Downloads/Actor%20Tutorial.rar
i uploaded that myself, i copied the tutorial/guide from eathena, not Wrote it..
i copied the text, saved the pictures, so i could learn to use it.. but the funny thing is.. i never used it lol
i am also sorry to say, i forgot who had created the post on the eathena the time ago.
I give credit and props for making this guide to whomever he/she is. its not mine, i only copied it for personal reference/usage.
it might be my problem due to slow internet but the freeweb link says "We are sorry, this page was not found." to the act tutorial.
It's okay Zen, we believe you, or at least I do. Okay you said you are a good gm, supportive, everything. I won't doubt you about that. I don't think every person that work for Hitler is evil at all. You said you never seen the pimp hat on jynx-online alright, maybe you never seen it in game, like you said maybe no one liked it enough to donate for it, maybe. As Cyco said, 50% there, but:
The fact that the pimp hat is in their "dll file" or what we referred as a "grf" or "datafolder", no one can deny that. The floppy bunny in Jynx-Online's "dll file" contain the Usako watermark, no one can deny that as well. (Prove? we have it 100%, just go open their "dll file" and look for it, there's instruction posted somewhere in this topic, if you didn't try to see this proof, i am sorry, but don't say it's 50%).
Repeating this for the last time: The pimp hat is made exclusively to pimpRO and Usako's server. Wtf is Usako's sprite doing sitting in some other server's "datafolder". Same for the floppy bunny, with the watermark, what is it doing in the Jynx-Online datafolder. Because the Jynx-Online client package is distributed by Jynx-Online, that means they are distributing Usako's work without permission, at the very least, and of course no credit was given what so ever other than the Usako watermark that was used as a Proof of Ownership when cases like this happens.
Can Usako sue Jynx-Online for distributing her work without permission and no credit were given whatsoever (or just simply say Can Usako stop her work from distributing by others without her permission or ask them to give credit in the process)? yes I believe, but she just demand an apology, plus to admit all the lies etc outlined on her post previously. What's the big deal here? admit and do the right thing then case will close. Simple isn't it. Why aren't doing it, but try to make up lies one after another?
Lastly, You never seen those hats in game doesn't mean it was never @itemed in game by anyone and used by anyone. it's a 50%. means half the chance.
Zen, if you have the time, read this two pages, see how low your server community can get, about editting wiki to fake that Vash created Freya: (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freya_%28Ragnarok_Online%29&action=history , if it still exist, i already reported to wiki that Freya is illegal and see if they gonna remove it, to prevent *some ppl* further editing the page to claim ownership of Freya) Also, i found it very silly and childrish 6 hours after the lie has been bust the person "KenBeoulve" is still trying to make changes to the Freya wiki page. What is he up to? trying to show his fake glory to his brainwashed community?
first jynx edit screenshots from ragcan, then *some one* with the wiki name "KenBeoulve" editted freya's wiki page, want to ask yourself do you really know these ppl that you work for?
btw, i just notice the jynx-online forum is back, i'll show you one more lie, quoting from Vash's only post on page 9 of this topic:
Quote from: Vash
"jynx/vash are trying to screw with my reputation (and trying to personally insult me and find personal info about me. "find anything you can about her and tell vash" is basically what they said.)"
-Where's this proof? When did I ever say we wanted to hurt you in anyway? Where is there proof we'd want to bring down someone who is worthless to us. You mean nothing.
I have solid proof for this one (only if you see this before Jynx did but anyway i have a screrenshot):
read jynx's post on the top, your post is right below it i hope you can remember that (just read the last two paragraph of Jynx's post, yes now i am doing the "he said, she said again", but it's true):
http://s12.invisionfree.com/jynx/index.php?showtopic=3568&st=15screenshots backup:
http://ratemyserver.org/jynx3.JPGhttp://ratemyserver.org/jynx4.JPGAgain, they are lying in your face. What's the point of lying so much? Lied once, Lied twice, and then again and many more, it's so LAME i tell you. You see, this is what you get for lying (not you zen, i mean Jynx/Vash/whatever), you have to make up a second lie to cover your first lie, then it goes on and on to the 3rd, 4th etc and in the process you kick yourself in the butt because they are LIES, people KNOW, and then you make a fool out of yourself.
This topic is not getting anywhere because people are not being honest, as we were about to put and end, someone brought up "proof" and then within 10 minutes it proven to be a lie again. This could go on and on I don't mind, it will just serve as an entertainment to Slaw and etc who is reading, it's a show about who's being dumb faking proofs now.
Quote from: Rageful Zen on Sep 28, 2006, 02:52 AM
Quote from: jman on Sep 27, 2006, 08:46 PM
They still had the sprites, and they were in the data folder. Why have them in the data folder without using them? That's a nice way of wasting space. you just proved that Usako had her sprites stolen, so eh, whatever.
im really tired but i just want to say...
what are the easiest way to trick someone from getting your cheese nips?
you hide the fake in the original box. right?
or ... eat them, whichever.. but..
anyways... i dont like jumping in and out..
clueless people may be, i highly doubt id be understood.
-- i dont have much time to respond to every post everyone makes. so i just grab a few and answer in the short amount of time i have.
yes wikipedia can be changed.. or edited..
we have not (or jynx has not) had the pimp hat on jynx-online from the time i have been on.. i havent seen them... either that or nobody likes them >.>
as for the floppy bunny ears.. ive seen black ones, are those the ones your talking about?
a player named.. Chibi Impulse, i believe.. hast them.. or was it Chibi Sin... er.. ill look when i have the time (sorry to have brought up any player's name)
Jynx/Vash/DeMoN/Anubis/KMart/Damien/or Dark Sin has not lied to me from the time i knew them..
from a long ago post, someone said the gm staff is.. corrupted? i think, or crappy..
its not like that, not at all.. we are fun and joyous to all.. i was online today and ive been getting numurous pms to help them, what do i do? i help.. just like the admins here try to help discuss and finish this with evidence..
Damien/Dark Sin/ the new guy Sora/ and me are usually the active ones online during the day..
if anyone would claim( er... need to choose new word, that words been raped too much) -- say that we are bad gms...
tell me what we do wrong and i will compare with others..
Heck, i came to NLRO after IRO and during the time i was there, i had not been on when there has been any events (if any)
or seen a help desk, But here at Jynx Online, us subgms do as much as we can until the gms arrive to take over..
we hold Help desks whenever we have time, We do events when we get them "authorized" from the higher ranking gms..
we have woe.. we listen to the players, we report any weird activities and handle it.
you can ask any player on jynx online what kind of person i am. and then ask what kind of person jynx is...
and there's your answer, we dont brainwash, we try to take care of the "community" By holding up with all this negative senses,
its a bit hard to take care of the server..
-- as for evidence to anything, i dont have it.. im not very familiar with "hexing" or "spriting" but all i want to get is to see if
either side mainly, vash, and usako to agree that there would be a settlement between this.. instead of "friends" protecting "friends"
-Pimp hat: without a doubt, i remember seeing it in a somewhat tutorial or guide, in the eathena guide.. long long ago(my mistake, i found it in my saved files... its a actor guide)
now, im about 90% sure that everyone would say "oh you made this, this and that".. i will be honest with you. i know nothing about spr. or act. or whatever, im a web dev ish kind of guy.. i do html,dhtml,flash, and all that junk..
i uploaded this file, im curious. -and a bit wormish to look at usako's ... pimp hat.
are they the same?
http://www.freewebs.com/erykmichalak/Downloads/Actor%20Tutorial.rar
i uploaded that myself, i copied the tutorial/guide from eathena, not Wrote it..
i copied the text, saved the pictures, so i could learn to use it.. but the funny thing is.. i never used it lol
i am also sorry to say, i forgot who had created the post on the eathena the time ago.
I give credit and props for making this guide to whomever he/she is. its not mine, i only copied it for personal reference/usage.
By the way you talk Rageful Zen, I don't think you're evil or anything. But I have to emphasise the point yC had. Not everyone that works for Hitler is evil.
Having said all that, I think Jynx still owes Usako an apology. Tell her to get her lazy donkey here and apologize PUBLICLY. Or else. Well. erKURITA will not be kind. :)
See you just ignore my post again why dont you ask yor himself do you notice theres no information about all the old developers? Why dont you try contacting yor?Ragnaparadise you know nothing abotu jynx so shut up and get a life. You guys are all fags and will just keep lying to our faces trying to prove jynx/vash did stuff that they never did. This is my last post here I will not post anymore. We will just prove you wrong when Jynx is completely finished. And how are you comparing vash to hitler?? Go ahead if you send out the data folder we will just sue everyone who takes the wings remember there all mostly copyrighted. We are not apologiving for that ugly guy usako. Since she did not make those things she never did she jsut a fat ugly lier. Vash has even given the most proof out of anyone in this forum...
THE FAG IS BACK PPL, WOOOOOOOOOO.
Listen here, you self-centered, childish, immatured, a****** son of a b**** you. You are NO one to tell me what to do. Whatcha gonna do if I say Jynx-Online = FAG? Whatcha gonna do? Threaten me with your 40MB DLL file? And dude, stop trying to lie. You are 5 years old. You couldn't have did all of the codes by yourself. And even though you're not 5, you sure act like one.
Don't post then. No one gives a f*** who the hell are you. I'm getting very pissed off with your lying face, and basically, you can't sue us. SUE ME OMFG BRING UR LAWYER 2 ME PLZ. You must be insane just to get a copyright for one sprite. And no, Vash didn't give me any proof. Not proof that I can take anyway. Imageshack? Don't make me laugh.
Are you even educated enough to understand similarities? "vash isn't hitler" Hell I know that, but I think Hitler's better than Vash in terms of morality. Vash is just a little dog that bites everyone. Who cares. And yes, you're acting immaturely. I don't even give a damn whether you're coming back or not. You're running away from the truth, that's why you're away. And again, I say, you are no one to tell me to shut up.
In the words of a great robot "Bite my shiny, metal donkey"
I mean where do you people get off comparing Vash to Hitler...
you people realize hitler murdered hundreds of thousands of people just for being differnt...
compared to the s*** you are accusing vash of....its just crazy.
I have known vash close to 8 years, and some of this s*** you people are saying utterly horrid.
Coming soon to Jynx Online, JO Radio...created by me, not any of you stupid mother f*ckers so dont try and claim it and attempt such slander on me. >:(
So be sure to Play Jynx Online and listen to JO Radio ;D
How bout you stop ignoring our proofs which pissed you off greatly and start admitting the truth, poor kid. Also, stop the wiki abuse that act is so low and childish.
Quote from: Justinb52 on Sep 28, 2006, 07:29 AM
See you just ignore my post again why dont you ask yor himself do you notice theres no information about all the old developers? Why dont you try contacting yor?
old developers, what old developers? Freya started here: http://ookoo.org/svn/freya/trunk/Changelog.txt
scroll down to the end if you dont know how to read a changelog, btw no name of Vash anywhere mentioned, not even a little bug fix, if you didn't get that the last time we told you about it. Why don't you try ask your brother for some proofs? where is his changelog, old files etc. Or name some old developers if you are looking for them. We might be able to help.
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You guys are all fags and will just keep lying to our faces trying to prove jynx/vash did stuff that they never did. This is my last post here I will not post anymore. We will just prove you wrong when Jynx is completely finished.
Pissed? can't fight with your lies anymore, now you are lying that we are lying? very funny. I'll see if this is really your last post. We'll also wait for whatever that will prove us wrong with that whatever thing that jynx will never finish.
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And how are you comparing vash to hitler?? Go ahead if you send out the data folder we will just sue everyone who takes the wings remember there all mostly copyrighted.
We asked for your brother's lawyer's contact twice, and for the copyright document once, yet we are still waiting for the answer. Is there ever gonna be an answer?
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We are not apologiving for that ugly guy usako. Since she did not make those things she never did she jsut a fat ugly lier. Vash has even given the most proof out of anyone in this forum...
Vash has only posted once here, all plain text typing and talking, it's the "he said" thing as quoted from Cyco, how can that be the most proof out of anyone in this forum?
Quote from: Anubis on Sep 28, 2006, 07:38 AM
In the words of a great robot "Bite my shiny, metal donkey"
I mean where do you people get off comparing Vash to Hitler...
you people realize hitler murdered hundreds of thousands of people just for being differnt...
compared to the s*** you are accusing vash of....its just crazy.
I have known vash close to 8 years, and some of this s*** you people are saying utterly horrid.
Coming soon to Jynx Online, JO Radio...created by me, not any of you stupid mother f*ckers so dont try and claim it and attempt such slander on me. >:(
So be sure to Play Jynx Online and listen to JO Radio ;D
*bites*
Anyway, I don't really want to get involved with Jynx anymore. But yeah, I'll tune in sometimes.
To Vash and Jynx if you are listening. It's not that we don't want to bring you to court. It's because after your little threat going to court, you never bothered us to give your lawyer's phone number whatsoever. If you are the best, prove it. If you aren't the best, stop acting like the best. You are nowhere near the best, you noobs.
STFU Kittomi and GTFO. We know who you truly are, and please, you were the one who said this is wasting your time. If it is wasting your time, don't join in. Now, shoo. Off to your fellow lame Jynx-Online GM team.
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 28, 2006, 07:52 AM
END IT ALREADY this is something for VASH JYNX and OSAKA only to be involved in NO ONE ELSE SHOULD BE IN THIS IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.
I can't remember how many times you said this, but where is Vash (after that one post)? where is Jynx (now that i see the 4th person in your 5 ppl home registered, i dont see a reason why jynx can't register unless she's real dumb)? the only talking party is Usako (OSAKA is a city for the ignorants http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka, please do not make changes to the wiki page of this wonderful city).
Usako asked for their contacts, no one is say anything constructive to help. If you really want it to end like you said, you would have given valid contacts of them already.
Quote from: erKURITA on Sep 27, 2006, 09:16 PM
Couple things:
QuoteYou are in the wrong as well erKURITA coming on the forums and trying to flame ever thread in there lol
That made me laugh. Quite some. I never, ever flamed on your forums, I actually kept myself shut regarding eAthena and Usako, but no, you guys had to delete the threads. Oh and Demon, you know Click and me were right on that thread. Face it.
what in the world is that soppose to mean...
I know that Im was in those threads lol.... I was the one the ended some of them casue they got resovled lol so again like i stated to you before why would anyone keep something up or doing if it was resolved
also I just want to point out casue i do not want to get this twisted. I in no shape or form insulted anyone but Slaw and I apologized for that
Kittomi is right to the point that it should be between Jynx/vash and Usako and yes i understand some or most of you feel that Jynx and vash will not come on but, maybe if ppl would stop flaming and throwing insults on both sides that contact will be made, thats all i am saying ..
there is no need to slanded Usako's server nor ours
Usako has the same idea for her server as Do Vash
They both built it for the better half fer say and have fun
Usako I understand that yo want an apologize and or credit where u feel credit is due and also about the disrespectful comment
This is in no way shape or form a demand , just a comment and or thought
- do u think a little apologize to them about the contacting them part?
and ppl dont get invvoled with post ccasue i already know what you guys are going to say..
this is a post for Usako and me and i am in no postion to question anything nor do i feel i did in anyway and try to prove anything .
I just was trying to ask questions and the wierd thing is most of them never even got responded to like pl read them and didnt know what to say. ( not a big deal)
Okay, I am not going to lock this topic just yet, because I don't want to reopen it later when contact can't be made between Usako and Vash/Jynx.
Everyone please control your language and behave. Do not post any insults and flames anymore, you may post apology if you felt that you offended someone in your previous posts.
So now, the key to stop this is to make the contact between Usako and Vash/Jynx. So that they can talk (msn/aim/irc/email/etc) to solve the problem with the stealing sprite issue.
However, someone can suggest something for the claim that Vash created Freya and that Jynx-Online isn't running on eAthena nor Freya. Maybe someone from eAthena can contact Vash directly, if eAthena do care about this issue, otherwise what can we do? nothing but spread the word that you yourself believe and/or look for eAthena typos see if you find any and/or expliot bugs from eAthena and see if they work there (joking).
Anyone want to help? If there is a way for Usako to talk to Vash/Jynx directly, please private message Usako the contact information. She needs that as the first step. When I get an answer from Usako that contact has been made, and progress is on going, I'll lock this topic. If you think this sound one sided, anyone that has Usako's contact and with her permission you can private message that to Vash so Vash can contact Usako if he wanted to. Because it is Usako that is looking for Vash/Jynx, we have to make sure from Usako's side that they get in touch before topic close.
For now, general chat ON TOPIC is ok, no flaming no pointing finger please, or better just don't talk if you have nothing to say. Thank you.
I'd like to give a sorry to all the people I hurt, but that still doesn't change the fact that Jynx and/or Vash needs to apologize. I see that Vash is a big fat liar after all the things he has done, including changing the Wiki.
Well, the wiki is a problem no more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/KenBeoulve
All the "Contributions" they made.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=move&user=KenBeoulve
All his "moving".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:KenBeoulve
The end.
Oh and, who is KenBeoulve ? Your "beloved" admin, Jynx. Or Vash. Whoever it is, this is the proof, found on their site (screenshot'ed already :)):
Name GM Level Most Likely On MSN Real Name
Jynx 99 Usually on after a patch is released KenBeoulve @comcast.net Falon
http://jynx-online.net/Staff.htm
So, how low will they get in order to prove what is not right?
How do I message Usako? I would prefer not to post on here for all to see they way to get hold of Vash and Jynx privately
As it has been admitted this whole thing is between the three of them only.
So Kittomi, erKURITA has given all the stuff you need to know. I'll give you two choices. STFU, or STFU. Choose.
Ragna , Yc just ask not for anyone to insult anyone anymore
Please keep those to ur self..
But anyway
Thank you Yc for that comment that some of us has been trying to do in the case of keeping it on point and no flaming and just between Usako and Jynx/Vash
All Rageful Zen and I where just trying to get the lvl of abuse fer say down to a mature lvl and( not the word i want to use but ) down to a professional lvl.
Kitt, justin, anubis and all others from our side fer say please chill out and let me and Rage handle this to the point and not have too many things going at once with Yc. Riot and Usako ok
I know all of u trust Rageful Zen and I so let us do this our way....
the only reason they will back off is casue they have respect for me and Rageful Zen casue of the Good job we do on the server to keep it fun and as comfortable as possible.
Poor Demon and Rageful Zen. Well, my apologies to you first after all that flaming. I believe that you guys are nothing but a GM in the server, so you shouldn't be shouted at in any way. However... Jynx... Vash... >.>
Ah no, I don't trust any of you guys from JynxRO. "Raise fame and lay on bed" is a saying we have (Meaning, everything you do will be taken in count for the future) in Venezuela. So don't come saying "I know all of u trust Rageful Zen and I so let us do this our way...."
Your way? The Lying way? No thanks. And if Usako is talking with those two, I'll join aswell. Be it on IRC or MSN, I don't care, but I have "legal issues" to solve with Vash, regarding his lawsuit threat (I want to talk with his lawyer, if it's true he has one). Another thing is if Usako herself request me to stay appart.
@Kittomi
So you're now the ones contacting Usako? Funny though. What better way than here, in public? Or would you rather on your forums?
PS: I got suspended on your forums. No worries, I can still browse :)
I'd like to join in the talks as well. I'll be an eyewitness that Jynx and/or Vash APOLOGIZED to Usako, or if the Jynx team does more flaming, they'll get it from me. Badly.
Quote from: yC on Sep 28, 2006, 09:16 AM
So now, the key to stop this is to make the contact between Usako and Vash/Jynx. So that they can talk (msn/aim/irc/email/etc) to solve the problem with the stealing sprite issue.
know if thats not enough proof for you erKURITA
Yc just stated not matter how it gets done just get it done fer say
meaning we will do our part in getting the contact together
Yeah, but as the saying goes, TALK IS CHEAP. Let's get it started in here. xD
I agree with you Ragna but talking crap does not help anything and thats what i was trying to say
let us all just keep it mature and it will all get done...
think about it this way
if you want a fire to do out would u add more gasoline to the flame or would u put water on it ?
lets just put water on this fire and let it settle
I wouldn't add water if the fire's origin was oil or electricity. That would just make it worse, XD
LMAO u know dam str8 what i mean
but that was a good one
ok how about a wood fire hmmmmmmmmmm lol
i got a off topic question and i am no where near a sprite or anything
if i wanted my avatar as my char how would i go apon using it ?
and if i ever needed to be contacted my Msn is always on and yahoo as well for anything
Sprites. xD
You either put it as wings or put it as a job's normal sprite. :D
ok yeah i know it was a dum donkey question but whatever..
I am not awake yet and i just had to deal with another idiot of a customer with no money lol
I played Jynx some time ago. Quit because it was too messy. Too many NPCs ya know, you guys should clean it up a bit. :/
it is not 100% finished but i undestand
still tweaking it ...
what was ur char name ? did i ever see u on
I only played 6 hours. You couldnt've seen me. :P
Anyway, in which ever way you express it, I don't think your server doesn't use eA or Freya you know. :/ I think Vash overexaggerated his facts, and I think he's lying about this.
i hear ya..
thats niether here nor there fer say
lets just get Usako and jynx/vash together and get this thing resovled so all of us can go and kill more monsters LOL
Maybe he worked on it maybe he didnt but that was never the real issue of this thread as i know u now that...
so how about the Stealers LMAO jking
Also, how long has the server been on? 8 months? that's enough timespace to fix the idnum2itemdisplaynametable.txt and idnum2itemdesctable.txt. It's a whole mess, you can get wings by killing a farmiliar that are sold for a couple millions zeny, starting mobs are overpowered (a poring = 500 hp? what the..), npcs are all scathered.In Yuno.One of the laggiest cities. I know you guys wanted to break with the Prontera thing, yeah, but why Yuno? Why not Gonryun, or ra_temsky?
Anyway, this is getting offtopic.
it has been back up for about 9 months...
yes there is a few things that need to be tweaked but what server dosent.
*Edited*I think i have to apologize to erKURITA as well for flaming you in anyway shape or form
yes i am very protective of Jynx-Online but i tried to keep this logical and respectful but yes i know i slipped a couple of times....
we will get this Usako thing resolved
*Edit*
Yuno is cool looking and i think thats the reason behind that lol
Gonryun would be way too crowded.. i played on a server that had that as the main city and trying to walk through there is like walking over 500 dead bodies ( Almost impossible lol)
hmmm i'm too tired to respond to anything else...however, i'd like to point out something i'm surprised no one else has.
that pimp hat in the tutorial is not mine. that one was made by damage a couple months after mine after i told them i wouldn't be releasing it. the hats are completely different. just because it is called the same thing doesn't make it the same thing, y'know? OMG YOU STOLE MY FAIRY WINGS! U HAVE FAIRLY WINGS ON UR SERVER! there are like...a billion fairy wing sprites out there...how the hell would you know they are yours unless you LOOKED.
if they want to contact me they can contact me here. publicly.
if you want to go back to killing monsters instead of posting on here...then why not do it? this is really not any of your business and you've said so yourself. why isn't jynx of vash here trying to defend themselves...except with one post (that a lot of it was BS, as proven by the "our grf can't be opened" thing).
We dont care WHO edited the wiki. it came from your IP, so we know it was one of you.To me, you're all one person until proven otherwise. all these actions are coming from your IP so you are all at fault.
as for justin...i've tried to be as nice as i can with no flames up until now. so why the hell would you just randomly flame me...calling me an ugly fat b****? i have not flamed you, your friends, your brother, or your sister in-law. other people have been flaming, yes, but i do not tell them to. everyone is acting on their own. this just shows the maturity difference between you and i, i suppose. but i still wont flame you. i'd like to brag how i am better than that ;p
As for us being kids...actually most of us here are 18+. i personally am 19. you can't be much older than that yourself i'd think kittomi.
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 28, 2006, 01:36 PM
Try twice your age
so yes you all are kids to me
aren't you a little old to be playing around with us then? lol...
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 28, 2006, 01:36 PM
Try twice your age
so yes you all are kids to me
You're 38? And playing RO? 'Kay, sounds like a good life you've got going there.
You're right, it's none of my business. I'll just settle with laughing at you for being a 38-year-old playing RO
Usako
There is no need to get rude with me at all casue i have not said anything rudly or anything to that matter to you
and second you may say this has nothing to do with me and you are right but i dont see you saying anything to the other 5 or so ppl that are responding to this as well
All i was trying to do is help get this resolved and i was not making any comments on who made this and you made that
also Yc already suggested something to help out and also I have pmed you to try to get this resovled meaning getting contact info and what not.....
If you are indeed in collage then u r not a dum person and u can be clam as well so lets take this one step at a time instead of bad mouthing more and more thats all.....
" Dam you try to help calm down a problem and everyone bites ur head off"
...
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 28, 2006, 01:59 PM
if you have ever played IRO there are quite a few people who play with their kids
its not that far out there and I do not play all the time. I have a life.
Mhmm. And you're 38. And playing RO. I rest my case.
...
I am not mature. And I never said I was. But enough with the off-topicness. Let's move to PM's or just drop the subject, 38-year-old. =)
I already told you how they can contact me. Here. Another option is via IRC. My nick is Usako (dur). but if they want my contact info then why dont they come here and get it. they are perfectly capable.
if they want to contact me on irc they can do so in #usakojynx. it will not be a private chat but everyone but us WILL be quiet.
Where did I say anything rude to you...about how it's not your business? it's not. it's not anyone else's business, and i have told other people to stop replying as well. but no one has stopped replying.
But i'm not sure I have to listen to people that talk like junior high students. "collage" "u r not dum". i'm sorry but i dont generally listen to internet speak.
As for being 38 Kittomi...i didn't mean it's weird you're playing RO. my dad who is 47 played RO once (though it wasn't his type of game :p). I just think it's silly you're sitting here arguing with "a bunch of kids" as you'd put it. Again, I say it's none of your business. if vash or jynx wishes to speak with me i have stated their options.
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7020/maturitygw2.png)
Credits of the image to VGCats, though.
off topic:
adorable.
ok I am srry Usako I mis read what you said and about my so called internet talk is only casue i am at work and trying to type as fast as i can before the boss see's me or a customer comes in thats all lol....
I have just been trying to chill this subject and in no means flame anyone but i know i disrespected Slaw and erKURITA and i think Ragna But I apologized to them already
sooo i dont really have all day to wait for them to contact me. i have some appointments. i'll remain in the channel but i can't guaruntee i'll be active at some points.
the server is irc.deltaanime.net and the channel is #usakojynx. everyone feel free to join. but once the main attraction shows up you will all be quiet as a mouse. only squeaking allowed.
kittomi when did i ever "slander" your kids? so what...are you jynx's or vash's mother or father? if so then stop believing your kids are all sugar and honey. i know parents are supposed to do that (believe me...i know...my brother is a useless bum and my parents dont really do anything about it).
and stop deleting your posts.
Quote from: Kittomi on Sep 28, 2006, 02:22 PM
Anything to do with my kids is my business
and slandering one of them definitely is.
Heh, "your kids"? This is getting more amusing every moment. I thought Vash was 19? Wouldnt that be old enough to take care of his own problems? Not like I actually believe you're his parent or whatever.
vash is 19?
and he's married?
that's a little young o_o
Meh, dont believe everything you read on the net. Most of it's made up by some 14-year-old J-poper anyways.
I would like to extend a late aplogy to anyone I had flamed. If any. I've been at work, that's why this is so late. I would like to be there to hear Vash apologize to Usako for the words said in his post here on RMS. I believe they were extremly uncalled for, and I don't think anyone (esopecially girls/women) should be talked to like that. I would also like to hear Vash aplogize for him saying that he had started and built Freya from the ground up. for those that know me, I am an eAthena moderator, and for the better of both communities (eAthena and Freya) I kinda want to see this apology.
I don't know about Usako, but if it were me, I would allow Jynx to continue using said sprites, as long as an apology was made, and proper credit were given (in a post on your forums would do for me, just as Usako has done for her server). That is my opinion, and should no way be made for what Usako has to say, she has her own opinions too <3
Okay topic is finally going to be closed. I was waiting for the flame to die.
The activity is lowering and the argument should come to a conclusion.
I know there was a lot of off topic/flaming posts and it goes against the rule of this board. However, since this was a big issue, I let all of that slide. People need to speak their minds. I haven't censored any posts (except the ones that really need it) and haven't deleted any posts. There was only one person who kept doing that and you should all know who that is by reading the contents of those posts.
This topic is now 100% closed. Nobody is going to open it again. Everybody seems to have spoken their mind.
If you want to say something, please connect to irc.deltaanime.net, channel #usakojynx (http://webchat.deltaanime.net if you don't have an irc client). Otherwise, PLEASE DO NOT start new topics.
Thanks