Anyone going to play Dawn of Midgard?

[Blinzer]

Your friends saying that 7x is too low is the kind of ideal that killed private servers. Everybody wants to rush to be max level to just go through the motions of end-game to reach a WoE that, if everybody else didn't rush through the content, they would find disappointing. Then because no one can challenge the people who are camping the high tier mvps, they quit. The lower tier players see, hey these top tier guys quit and they quit. And that's when the spiral of death for a server starts. It's almost always the same with every server. After the 2nd WoE, server dies.

Unfortunately, that ideal is everywhere now-a-days. People think the rates are too low to play on when I remember the most fun WoEs being the ones where I wasn't max level and top-geared. When you don't have your gear to fall back on, you get creative and try different things and that's when WoE is fun. You didn't actually address this issue. You mainly just took from two different worlds, post trans and pre trans, and took WoE from both but because the rates are 12x, it really doesn't make a difference. Your server will hit the same issue and it's longevity.

The way I changed my server, the way that will turn off people to my server, is that I am rebalancing 3rd jobs. Plenty of you have probably read it because of dat click-bait title but I strive for longevity. A game that can't be beaten in a month. Renewal has such a huge wealth of content that no one is trying to implement into pre-renewal. I tried to but then I realized, why do that if your level is still stuck at 99? A server where there are WoEs before everybody is ready so people actually get creative and have fun with it. Am I close to open, even after roughly eight months of work under my belt? Not even close. You'd be surprised how much crap has gone by without people noticing.

People don't think the rates are too low. People are too scared to commit to a low rate server because of corrupt staff that will eventually destroy their own server before a low rate server can thrive. Nobody wants to spend weeks and months creating their character and building towards something only for the server to come crashing down and for them to lose all their work because of bad staff.

[Finch]

Honestly mrew it's getting more and more obvious with every post that you're just trying to advertise your own server in this thread... 

[Mrew2]

Honestly mrew it's getting more and more obvious with every post that you're just trying to advertise your own server in this thread... 

Lmao Not even close. I'm falling back on my own experience to better show me perspective. If I were trying to advertise my own server I would mention the name or the download link. You honestly think people are gonna play on my own computer hosted server with no patch system in place? Please~

People don't think the rates are too low. People are too scared to commit to a low rate server because of corrupt staff that will eventually destroy their own server before a low rate server can thrive. Nobody wants to spend weeks and months creating their character and building towards something only for the server to come crashing down and for them to lose all their work because of bad staff.

Yeah, it is true but usually there are signs of things going wrong. It doesn't just pop out of the blue. I guess it is hard to ask people to commit to such things now a days, though. Unfortunately, it's that hesistance that's really holding back the great servers. If you can't invest your time, you won't really have much attachment.

[Zinnia]

You'll have to forgive me, because I don't accept 2 sentence responses which essentially discredit my thoughts when I displayed a vast amount of contestation worthy of discussion for you to assess. You answered no questions and are only trying to protect your image, and I am not afraid to fire a second barrel of reasons for you to protect your image if you don't treat me with respect.

Your server is vanilla, and repeating that it's not over and over again is not going to change that fact. You would have displayed it right here and now if it wasn't. You chose to leave everyone in the dark and say "look again" as if you had something to look at(when you yourself claim to not list your changes and are not willing to say them).

Until you show otherwise, you are nothing but pretty words and lies like every other server. You made it clear here that the only thing you're interested in is saving your reputation, which speaks for itself in the things you create. You're not interested in the future of ragnarok, and it does not lie within you.

I don't see how I've been disrespectful with you but you definitely are with me. You don't let room for discussion here. I'm trying to give a second breath to RO because I love this game and you being jealous about it will not change what I want to achieve. Hell I don't even know you.

Your friends saying that 7x is too low is the kind of ideal that killed private servers. Everybody wants to rush to be max level to just go through the motions of end-game to reach a WoE that, if everybody else didn't rush through the content, they would find disappointing. Then because no one can challenge the people who are camping the high tier mvps, they quit. The lower tier players see, hey these top tier guys quit and they quit. And that's when the spiral of death for a server starts. It's almost always the same with every server. After the 2nd WoE, server dies.

Unfortunately, that ideal is everywhere now-a-days. People think the rates are too low to play on when I remember the most fun WoEs being the ones where I wasn't max level and top-geared. When you don't have your gear to fall back on, you get creative and try different things and that's when WoE is fun. You didn't actually address this issue. You mainly just took from two different worlds, post trans and pre trans, and took WoE from both but because the rates are 12x, it really doesn't make a difference. Your server will hit the same issue and it's longevity.

The way I changed my server, the way that will turn off people to my server, is that I am rebalancing 3rd jobs. Plenty of you have probably read it because of dat click-bait title but I strive for longevity. A game that can't be beaten in a month. Renewal has such a huge wealth of content that no one is trying to implement into pre-renewal. I tried to but then I realized, why do that if your level is still stuck at 99? A server where there are WoEs before everybody is ready so people actually get creative and have fun with it. Am I close to open, even after roughly eight months of work under my belt? Not even close. You'd be surprised how much crap has gone by without people noticing.

I totally agree with you. Ragnarok was fun when we were discovering the game, when we didn't know every single mechanics at the tip of our fingers, when we weren't max level'd and gear'd but yet still participated in WoE. That's when we used to be, as players, creative.

However, we're in 2016, and it is indeed really sad, but players know the game perfectly and not taking that into account during the process of making a new server just makes us blind fools.

I would love to offer a completely redesigned game if it was interesting to players, but that wouldn't be called "Ragnarok". Players love this game because of its mechanics, because of its flaws (hitlocking/dancing skill mechanics in pre trans) that make its gameplay complex and various. If you take that away from them, you lose their interest, and despite all our good ideas there is nothing we can do about that.
I'm a product marketing manager IRL. I accompany game launches from their development to the release, and sometimes the game designers have wonderful ideas but they're just terrible to market. That's the problem with those all customized "new" RO servers.

Dawn of Midgard is trying to find a balance between the two, the "customized" and the "vanilla". It is indeed appealing to nostalgic players by its theme, but also trying to fix major flaws of RO that make the game so unhealthy and non beginner-friendly. (I'm talking here about inflation/lack of fun and new content that keeps players interested)
We're in the pre launch phase where we are asking players what they think would be the best to balance the entire system, because alone and despite my experience, I don't have the pretension to do so. And it TAKES TIME, plenty of time. And you can't even find the proper balance without any metrics/tracking tools like the ones we're setting up pre-launch anyway. All you can do before is assumptions on how many time players will spend time farming zeny, spend time in bgs, how many events they'll do a day, etc.
Therefore, of course settings aren't all finals. But we're getting there, and we have the passionate staff and the resources to make it happen in a near future.

Note I'm not talking about Renewal/3rd class community because I don't know them at all. But concerning Class Balance, that's the reason why we picked 11.3. Episode 12 and stun immunity/sunglasses_ were the reasons of so many unbalanced issues between Melee & Range Classes. I believe current settings are close to being balanced, even though by experience I believe Scream needs a nerf, but the players do not want it yet. Once we'll have it tested, we will simply add it if necessary. (Branch is ready, just needs a merge and a reload)

My job is to create an environment for players to test stuff and develop solutions. I am a player myself, and I definitely do not believe I am smart enough to balance the entire environment of a RO server. But as a professional from the gaming industry, I can give the players and my staff the tools to do so.

To re-use Blinzer's words, I believe the future of Ragnarok doesn't lie within a single person, but in its community. Forgetting they exist and what they want won't lead us anywhere.

Best,

[Blinzer]

I don't see how I've been disrespectful with you but you definitely are with me. You don't let room for discussion here. I'm trying to give a second breath to RO because I love this game and you being jealous about it will not change what I want to achieve. Hell I don't even know you.

I don't let room for discussion here? I am literally waiting and asking you for the third time to assess a single thing I said instead of avoiding my criticism and you insist on making a personal attack rather than write anything productive. Or is it perhaps that because you know you're beat before you even reply that you feel you have no room to say anything and resort to the only defense you have?

I am no longer interested in reading your propaganda nonsense and lies about what you're trying to create. You're only repeating what you already said in different words to try to mislead people. The truth is one, and you are trying desperately to avoid it.

Don't even try to say you're using "my words" after the disrespect you are demonstrating to this community, because me and you are opposites. You are the typical trash admin trying to market the death of this game. I am the one trying to stop you.

But concerning Class Balance, that's the reason why we picked 11.3. Episode 12 and stun immunity/sunglasses_ were the reasons of so many unbalanced issues between Melee & Range Classes. I believe current settings are close to being balanced, even though by experience I believe Scream needs a nerf, but the players do not want it yet. Once we'll have it tested, we will simply add it if necessary. (Branch is ready, just needs a merge and a reload)

This sentence makes it clear to everyone that your main idea of "balance" is picking an old, outdated episode and barely adding any creative change or thought behind how you plan to balance the game. You claim to have many staff working 6 hours a day, but your staff is not working on changing the game itself. Your staff is working on how to fuse different types of the same old game together and market it as if you created a new game. All this possible "work" they can be doing is just working on the site and setting up the servers to be protected from someone stealing their investment. They put no time into the game, rehash the same npcs and change simple npcs to do slightly different things and pretend as if they did all this work to provide an all new experience for the players.

Do the players know how long it takes to change an NPC? I guess you never told them, did you? It takes 5 to 10 minutes to make an NPC fully functional if you know what you're doing. Fully customized events take a couple of hours at most. Changing the location of monsters takes 10 seconds. Changing every aspect of a single item takes 20 seconds. Hell, even changing the ratios on any skill takes 20 seconds and changing/adding effects takes maybe a couple of minutes. If your "staff" was working on your server for 6 hours a day for MONTHS, the entire game would be changed 3 times over. So tell me, what the hell is your staff working on that could possibly require even more work than entirely revamping the game's source code?

Nerds like this Zinnia kid are taking you guys for fools because you don't know how easy it is to do great things in this game. They spend most of their time working on the site and finding the best way to appeal and advertise so they can get players to donate to their stupid, outdated and ripped game. Isn't it strange that Cookie always gets into these big projects? Why is it that this Zinnia kid is in the staff of some super hyped, big server again? They're all like old politicians who try to rot the core of things until the very, bitter end, taking advantage of the doubt in people so they can get you to buy into the power that they only have if you give it to them.


I warned you, kid. The truth is more powerful than you.

[Zinnia]

 

Enjoy your crusade. I said what we want to achieve takes time and more than 2 months. Its partly rewriting Athena code, yes. If you have valuable suggestions that can make us create a good server for RO, you are more than welcome to participate in the very interesting discussions on our forums.

Kindest,

[Blinzer]

Enjoy your crusade. I said what we want to achieve takes time and more than 2 months. Its partly rewriting Athena code, yes. If you have valuable suggestions that can make us create a good server for RO, you are more than welcome to participate in the very interesting discussions on our forums.

Kindest,

As a matter of fact, I do.

Stop lying to everyone around you, and face your problems head on instead of running away.

[Finch]

Stop lying to everyone around you, and face your problems head on instead of running away.

You seem to think this is an anime. Settle down a little, friend. You either want someone to recode RO entirely or you just want people to stop making private servers. You're one of the people that are impossible to please and I hope Zinnia stops responding to you, as it's clearly useless.

Edit: i saw your dead server, it looks like you had generally the same idea as Zinnia except you didn't know how to market it and so it's a failure. This makes you being assblasted a lot of sense. Your website makes me a little nauseous, fire your designer, if you didn't do it yourself.

[Blinzer]

You seem to think this is an anime. Settle down a little, friend. You either want someone to recode RO entirely or you just want people to stop making private servers. You're one of the people that are impossible to please and I hope Zinnia stops responding to you, as it's clearly useless.

Edit: i saw your dead server, it looks like you had generally the same idea as Zinnia except you didn't know how to market it and so it's a failure. This makes you being assblasted a lot of sense. Your website makes me a little nauseous, fire your designer, if you didn't do it yourself.

This is a topic which talks about Dawn of Midgard, not other servers. This reply should be deleted for off-topic/server advertisement.

[Finch]

Except it's very relevant to the discussion of your problems with this server. Plus, that's only part of my post.

[Hime]

This is a topic which talks about Dawn of Midgard, not other servers. This reply should be deleted for off-topic/server advertisement.

Yet you're pretty much talking obviously based on your own experience. No offense but please instead of trying to put down a server that isn't online yet on a external forum why don't you just join and add your somewhat "valuable" input over there?

It was said before, you seem to share some ideals so instead of being an donkey about it just try to help so this server does achieves it

[Blinzer]

Yet you're pretty much talking obviously based on your own experience. No offense but please instead of trying to put down a server that isn't online yet on a external forum why don't you just join and add your somewhat "valuable" input over there?

It was said before, you seem to share some ideals so instead of being an donkey about it just try to help so this server does achieves it

You have one post.

Want to know why you're always forced to such primitive tactics like discrediting me without assessing anything I say?

The truth is my server has nothing to do with anything I've said in this topic, and everything I said stands alone. It's because you push these types of misleads upon people that you need to make new accounts and pretend someone else is defending you. I stand alone, with a server with no players, and no advertisement.

Yet 1000 people can't save you from what I have to say.

[Seb]

You have one post.

Want to know why you're always forced to such primitive tactics like discrediting me without assessing anything I say?

The truth is my server has nothing to do with anything I've said in this topic, and everything I said stands alone. It's because you push these types of misleads upon people that you need to make new accounts and pretend someone else is defending you. I stand alone, with a server with no players, and no advertisement.

Yet 1000 people can't save you from what I have to say.

Last thing I'm gonna say about this is: You are saying people want a completely new/different game to be developed while that is not true. What most people want is a good Ragnarok server that isnt run by a bad staff. Your "idea" of a server could probably attract players, but not the RO community we all know. If you change the nature of a class, that could pretty much scare a potential playerbase from your server.

Just for your information, no one has to defend Zinnia, he can do it for himself. If you really think all are his accounts, I beg you to please ask a mod/admin about it and I'm pretty sure he'll clear it for you.

[Wyvern]

I would just ignore Blinzer; there's always someone complaining about something~

[Blinzer]

Last thing I'm gonna say about this is: You are saying people want a completely new/different game to be developed while that is not true. What most people want is a good Ragnarok server that isnt run by a bad staff. Your "idea" of a server could probably attract players, but not the RO community we all know. If you change the nature of a class, that could pretty much scare a potential playerbase from your server.

Just for your information, no one has to defend Zinnia, he can do it for himself. If you really think all are his accounts, I beg you to please ask a mod/admin about it and I'm pretty sure he'll clear it for you.

I never specified or spoke for anyone, which is why I created a topic purposely to let people speak for themselves. I cannot say the same about you though, considering you are continuing to put words in my mouth and still haven't even addressed anything I actually said originally. I am fully aware that players want a server that is run by good staff, which is why I stepped into this topic to stop you.

But are you aware of how boring it is to say something to someone, get insulted 5 times for it, then get an answer to a statement you never made?

I would just ignore Blinzer; there's always someone complaining about something~

Please do not demean everything I've said up until this point by saying it's "complaining". I've only listed criticism of which has received no response other than pure insults towards me and everything I stand for, and presented facts which seem to have shaken you significantly enough to try to devalue the meaning behind the things I say. I've repeated multiple times that I do not enjoy having to shoot down a server in such a direct manner, but you insist on trying to take me down like rabid dogs. The information I have presented in this topic are the fruit of years of my practice to strive to be a great, knowledgeable ragnarok player, and unless you intend to present something which can be of value to this discussion, please refrain from making further detrimental comments. You attacking me is not going to change anything other than how childish you look.