Honestly now. There's crap coming from both ends. My question to you, the community, is whether or not you've even played the NEW AnimaRO server having been after the split with BlackTalon. All I ever see from this site is s*** flying every which way, and I'd like to know if you've even given the new GMs a new try, or are just following the fanboieeez of some other server.
Inb4Harken'sDog
I currently play 4 different servers, each equally. I am in no way trying to make AnimaRO to seem like a now GREAT server without having you play it again first, that'd just be my own opinion. I'm wondering if you've played with our (again, in my opinion) fantastic new GMs. Sure, there's a lot of crap that they ban randomly, but every single one of my friends still play, BECAUSE THEY READ AND FOLLOWED THE RULES. It's not that hard to not get banned. Honestly.
Inb4B&
Inb4lurkmoar
Inb4Asskisser
Also, I can't stop laughing at the title.
No replies = Sage by default. D:
OK, let's see... AnimaRO donation rewards page...
MVP card and 10 OPBs for 27$...
Lord Kaho's Horns for 100$...
130$ to hide the fact that you wear Lord Kaho's horns...
Sleipnir for 30$...
Conclusion: the server is crap. You can't play in it if you don't donate.
Quote from: BRabbit on Jul 11, 2007, 06:53 AM
OK, let's see... AnimaRO donation rewards page...
MVP card and 10 OPBs for 27$...
Lord Kaho's Horns for 100$...
130$ to hide the fact that you wear Lord Kaho's horns...
Sleipnir for 30$...
Conclusion: the server is crap. You can't play in it if you don't donate.
The fact of whether you want to donate or not is purely driven by you. Also, the ad system on there works fairly well, granted you're of legal age / have permissions to do them. Total potential credit: $18.80 for the free ads right now, and if you spend a little bit and do the paid offers, you're getting way more than you spent. Even if the support tickets are backlogged (They ARE working through it, answers are coming a bit faster and faster each time), they'll try to make sure that you get your credit, provided that you show proof that you did the offers.
Most servers HAVE donations up, which people usually contribute to, and you wouldn't be donating much more/less IMO by doing this. It'd just be a bit more concentrated.
Also, there's no NEED to donate in the first place. I've done minimal offers and donations (I'm a cheap bastard, I hate spending money), and I find myself fairly well off being more than a year later on that server.
Also, sleipnirs are easier than that to get, you just need to do the quest.
Quote from: AxeGunner on Jul 11, 2007, 07:52 AM
The fact of whether you want to donate or not is purely driven by you.
You can't have a PvP fight with anyone, because of the donation rewards. Donators have MVP cards... and oh, the LORD KAHO'S HORNS.
Quote from: AxeGunner on Jul 11, 2007, 07:52 AM
Also, the ad system on there works fairly well, granted you're of legal age / have permissions to do them. Total potential credit: $18.80 for the free ads right now
So that's free $18,80. Not enough. You'll have to pay the ads and/or donate. Either way, you must spend money to get items in order to have a chance.
Quote from: AxeGunner on Jul 11, 2007, 07:52 AM
Most servers HAVE donations up, which people usually contribute to, and you wouldn't be donating much more/less IMO by doing this. It'd just be a bit more concentrated.
Most servers also give little reward (name changes, statless look items and the like). Not MVP CARDS.....
Quote from: AxeGunner on Jul 11, 2007, 07:52 AM
Also, there's no NEED to donate in the first place.
Yes, there is, for the reasons above.
Quote from: AxeGunner on Jul 11, 2007, 07:52 AMI've done minimal offers and donations (I'm a cheap bastard, I hate spending money), and I find myself fairly well off being more than a year later on that server.
Got tired of getting totally raped by people with Lord Kaho's Horns?
Quote from: AxeGunner on Jul 11, 2007, 07:52 AM
Also, sleipnirs are easier than that to get, you just need to do the quest.
Oh, I wasn't aware. Is there a quest for Lord Kaho's Horns?
Uh, to clarify, all of the items on the donation page (except visually customized items with no difference in in-game stats) including Lord Kaho Horns are all available in-game. You can get items and zeny and make Lord Kaho Horns. Most people just don't, because with the current availability of donation reward points, it's cheaper to buy donation points from other players (there is a full system for securely doing so) and "donate" for them. Or you can just buy any of the donation items from player vends with zeny.
It certainly takes less time to just pour real life money into the game, but don't make it out like you'd never be able to compete without donating. I know too many people who compete just fine and haven't donated anything. And they don't get beaten down by players with Kaho Horns because they have them, too.
Haha, great or greatest. Thats real funny. Yes Ive taken the time to "try" the "new" AnimaRo. As others have said. Crap.
Not only did you state it yourself that they ban randomly, but your also saying you have to pretend your in a freaking concentration camp so the Nazi Admins dont kill you, a.k.a ban you.
And who are you kidding? MVP cards? LAWL. Yea they have to pay ads, blah blah. Cant you see when someone is taking your money, and actually using it on something else. You know, I think all you are is some newly appointed gm. What are you in charge of spreading bullsh*** everywhere? Is that how you get paid?
Even though I agree with most anti-AnimaRO comments in this thread, I do have to tell you guys to lay off the personal insults.
put me down for greatest. :D
EDIT: and it seems arcangelartemis doesn't know what she is talking about...again :'(
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"Even though I agree with most anti-AnimaRO comments in this thread, I do have to tell you guys to lay off the personal insults." LISTEN.
Quote from: yC on Jul 11, 2007, 05:54 PM
130$ to hide the fact that you wear Lord Kaho's horns...
Yeah, you can change the sprite to any other headgear. +$30 if it's already implemented, +$40 if it's not yet implemented. I just included the $100 price in it.
Quote from: Illisuun on Jul 11, 2007, 02:17 PM
Uh, to clarify, all of the items on the donation page (except visually customized items with no difference in in-game stats) including Lord Kaho Horns are all available in-game.
MVP cards are available from MVPs, 0.02%. Have fun hunting for at least three of them so you can have a chance...
Quote from: BRabbit on Jul 12, 2007, 03:35 AM
MVP cards are available from MVPs, 0.02%. Have fun hunting for at least three of them so you can have a chance...
Welcome to the wonderful world of online gaming.
Quote from: yC on Jul 11, 2007, 05:54 PM
Way to go for farming $$$ out of kids' e-penisland...
no comment.
Isn't that a little contradictory?
Quote from: ArcAngelArtemis on Jul 11, 2007, 03:53 PM
You know, I think all you are is some newly appointed gm. What are you in charge of spreading bullsh*** everywhere? Is that how you get paid?
Axe wouldn't make it 2 days as a GM, and Illisuun more or less stays out of everyone's way, save during WoE.
C'mon, it doesn't suck that badly. It would be bad if only couple elitists had those mvp cards and kaho horns but it's about half of the server that has those (or at least couple mvp cards) so it ain't that unequal for everyone. Only the people who are just starting are at disadvantage because the ads price went up (it was once 1$ per 300k but not anymore).
You should never judge a server by it's way of getting donations. No matter how much $ they can get thru their methods.
AnimaRO is not only a Private Server, it's a Business. GMs get paid $1k+ every month and the server itself receives more than $20,000 each month. All I have to say is... "SO WHAT?".
What you should judge a server on is by how well they put together a game which appeals to a majority of people. I have NEVER played AnimaRO, and all I can say is that people love drama. Drama draws everyone closer, and it definitely draws attention.
If you want to talk about exploiting, I would say the Anima Truth people are the ones who are exploiting the methods of drawing attention. Because look at the majority of you, 80% of you probably have never played AnimaRO more than a week and yet you take other people's words for how much AnimaRO sucks.
Look behind the so-called "Truth" and make your own "Truth".
my second server was anima it WAS CHOCKING
i moved from the lovely,sexy,no donation,fair ,low rate Dark alpha RO to THE M%
¨M£/¨£%M£¨MM£
M¨£M§
M%
M¨ANIMA D; (TERRIBLE CHOCK)
You aren t suposed to BUY ITEMS WITH $$ but with ZENY or efforts
those guys are simply exploiting poor souls and minds.
Well Emmie even if a lot of people have MVP cards that doesnt make it good, so just 'coz every sinx got 8 mvp cards between 2 daggers and 5 mvp cards in the rest of their stuff it's better ??
Nah, it was meant to be like 5 mvp cards per server.
My previous post was meant to be sarcastic. Maybe I just wrote it badly so it wasn't understood.
If you think about it, aRO is a mid rate server. Not for the rates, but because of the easiness in leveling with such easily available mvp cards and god items. A decently (for aRO standards) equipped monk that knows what he's doing could hit 99 in one day.
Quote from: BRabbit on Jul 12, 2007, 03:35 AM
MVP cards are available from MVPs, 0.02%. Have fun hunting for at least three of them so you can have a chance...
Or you could look through prontera and buy one of the 3 Phreeoni, 3 Turtle General, 2 Doppelganger, or any number of other MVP cardsvailable in player shops at the time of this post.
Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about. Any player can get access to MVP gear, donating or not. I have other issues with gear availability on the server, but the MVP card availability is not a problem.
Yes it is, how many times have we said it ........
You SHOULDNT have MVP cards like jellopies .... just because everyone can have'em doesnt make it right.
Just the title of this post was biased to begin with. And of course the word Anima is enough to gather all the lovers and haters of that server.
Why people still post on RMS to promote Anima is beyond me, face it, the majority of the people on this board are not fans of that particular servers, it only brings multiple pages of drama. If you enjoy it, good for you, go play? ^_^ They have enough players to not need advertising XD
Quote from: Pandora on Jul 12, 2007, 05:00 PM
Just the title of this post was biased to begin with.
lol, most people on this forum don't know who Stephen Colbert is.
Its a joke, really. Stephen would ask a guy he's interviewing if George Bush is a great president or the greatest president. As a joke since Bush really isn't a good president. The title made me chuckle /heh
Quote from: Krystalx on Jul 12, 2007, 03:29 PM
Yes it is, how many times have we said it ........
You SHOULDNT have MVP cards like jellopies .... just because everyone can have'em doesnt make it right.
If MVP cards start becoming even remotely common among players, then a good deal of them need to be adjusted/toned down or else it is easy for things to get unbalanced.
I'd just like to add this in.. but the most I've ever donated is about 60$.. And I have four characters fully SQI'd/Gear'd out.
Reason for my donation, is because I support Anima, I like the way things are run, and I don't believe the GM's are "Nazi" in anyway..
As a matter of fact, I've talked to a few GMs in game on occasion, and they're always very nice to me, and any other players, too, I'm sure.
People may donate thousands and get rich quick; But don't be so hasty in saying "Only donators will be top tier", I don't donate, and I'm relatively well geared..
Just felt like adding that.
You gave them 60dollars,why wouldn t they be nice?
well id be nice to you even with 0 dollars
now put urself in this position
u can t donate AT ALL,you get owned all the time..it s not funny for you
Why?
you don t have an SQI
Now try talking to a gm ;)
I can understand where every single one of you are coming from. It's your decision not to play anima. I completely understand. Please don't be immature and post slander about myself and others that play only as players. I and others enjoy our stay, and if you work with friends, you can share equips (I did this on higher levels.).
I'd just like to point out three things.
1) I would never get appointed as an admin on AnimaRO. I've posted nsfw on the boards on multiple occasions, have been threatened to be banned, and also have a few of the admins hate me. (I don't know why, for the most part, I know they do, they just don't say anything directly. Oh well.)
2) The GMs do all of their advertising themselves. Look at the Tynne (Sorry buddy, but it's a good example /sob) incident. He changed it to go towards his new server after some things which I don't really know happened. The GMs imo probably don't want to risk player advertisings other than the "Tell your friends to join" and such.
3) I've played for a while, and I also have played
many servers. I currently have 4 installed right now, and I'm primarily playing SeRO, AnimaRO, and DeathGodRO. The other server needs kRO, which I need to clear up some more hard drive space to install.
Edit: The title was meant for s*** and giggles. Lurk moar.
SecondWhoaDamnEdit:
Quote from: yC on Jul 11, 2007, 05:54 PM
i was just surprised by this
130$ to hide the fact that you wear Lord Kaho's horns...
I rarely see THAT as a donation on servers, and people who actually need one of those are total losers ... Anima truly understand what the internet emo kids needs and feed them the right thing. Way to go for farming $$$ out of kids' e-penisland...
no comment.
That's
extremely misleading. To BUY LKH and "disguise" them, you need $130. Customizing a non-customized kaho is $30. Re customizing is a lot less.
Nobody "hides" their kahos. If you actually played the server at where it is now, then you'd know that anyone who's been in PvP more than 5 times or WoE's automatically assumes that the person is wearing kahos. I know I do. I know a lot of other players do. If I see a player in WoE or PvP, I don't try to see if they're wearing kahos, I assume everyone does. I just asked one of my friends as well.
[02:02:59] <AxeGunner> How many of you during WoE or PvP assume the player has kahos before attacking him/her?
[02:03:47] <Illisuun> I pretty much assume everyone does
Kaho changes are made for fun, since a lot of people have them. It makes each player distinct while still letting them keep their stats from the kahos, for a nominal fee, xD.
Also, concerning the timing of both Illi and my's threads, Illi actually had the original idea. I'm just sick of this crap that keeps flying around. A lot of it just turns into mis-information, because each person flings it to the next, making it seem more juicy or something. While criticism is always welcome by anyone with a level head, and no server can be perfect, this is just beyond dumb.
good server if u like to just sit and chat with people
pvp is very unbalance
alot of scammers
Maybe a bit of history (especially from the former GMs about Harken):
> Faith < (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1464;sa=showPosts)
> Calbee < (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1394;sa=showPosts;start=15)
> Shia < (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1458;sa=showPosts)
> Delphine < (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1475;sa=showPosts)
> Black Talon < (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1430;sa=showPosts)
Quote from: Jayne Cobb on Jul 12, 2007, 05:08 PM
Quote from: Pandora on Jul 12, 2007, 05:00 PM
Just the title of this post was biased to begin with.
lol, most people on this forum don't know who Stephen Colbert is.
Its a joke, really. Stephen would ask a guy he's interviewing if George Bush is a great president or the greatest president. As a joke since Bush really isn't a good president. The title made me chuckle /heh
Ah I see, sorry I didn't get the joke, no idea who Stephen Colbert is.. but you gotta admit taken as it is the title sounds biased lol
Quote from: Emeralda on Jul 13, 2007, 07:39 AM
Maybe a bit of history (especially from the former GMs about Harken):
> Faith < (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1464;sa=showPosts)
> Calbee < (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1394;sa=showPosts;start=15)
> Shia < (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1458;sa=showPosts)
> Delphine < (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1475;sa=showPosts)
> Black Talon < (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1430;sa=showPosts)
The point of this thread was to tell how much AnimaRO sucks,
ignoring the corrupt past. The thread started wanted it to be that way.
When I was server searching, I skipped AnimaRO because of its donation rewards. I didn't want to play in such a horrible LR server with MVP cards for cash. Whenever I chose a LR server (i'm on my sixth server right now) I look at its donation page first. I don't donate, so I want to see if I will have a chance against others. In AnimaRO, that isn't the case. It's a good server for people that want to spend thousands of dollars on their equipment. For others, it's no good.
Quote from: AxeGunner on Jul 13, 2007, 02:51 AM
Kaho changes are made for fun, since a lot of people have them. It makes each player distinct while still letting them keep their stats from the kahos, for a nominal fee, xD.
Everyone has a customized Kaho, because every other headgear in the game sucks. Lord Kaho's horns are the only headgear ever worth using. That's why they do the customizing. There's no reason to hunt any other headgear. Their stats are bad compared to the Kahos. No reason to get them for looks because you can customize Kahos.
Quote from: AxeGunner on Jul 13, 2007, 02:51 AM
While criticism is always welcome by anyone with a level head, and no server can be perfect, this is just beyond dumb.
All threads so far have been about corruption in AnimaRO. This thread is not. This thread is about the donation rewards being so overpowered the non donators have no chance. It's really wrong for a low rate server.
what if they don t have a donnation page?
I was always against the implementing of the Ad Shop(although I am guilty of using it myself).
There are players who actually work hard for a majority of their items on the server, such as their SQIs etc.
They achieve this by spending weeks farming in Niffleheim and Odin's Temple etc. (although Odin farmers abuse the warmth glitch).
I will say some of the GMs are bias to certain things (their reasons I won't list because I might get a kick in the face for it.), However, They do their best to get things done and make the server fun for everyone. I will say the PvP scene is garbage for the most part, since a majority of people in there feel they have the right to be elitist, and that majority are usually strictly donaters, and bought their characters,gears,etc. The WoE scene is always fun,and always crowded. The majority of the community is friendly, I suggest new players to socialize in south prontera field and make themselves known on the forums, its a good way to make lots of friends and good connections. Hell I made my first fortune by becoming known, and getting loans from merchant buddies. Anyway, aRO isn't 100% corrupted, there is around 40% less lag and the community has improved somewhat. All in all I give aRO a 7/10 these days, its great, but could be better. Some things could be added, and others done away with, however, I think its unfair to call it corrupted, and horrible, etc etc.
Sorry if I'm all over the place, I'm running on 3 hours of sleep and just got back from work a lil bit ago :P
Quote from: Transcend on Jul 13, 2007, 12:20 AM
You gave them 60dollars,why wouldn t they be nice?
well id be nice to you even with 0 dollars
now put urself in this position
u can t donate AT ALL,you get owned all the time..it s not funny for you
Why?
you don t have an SQI
Now try talking to a gm ;)
I last donated in early 2006 (02'), I seriously doubt they give me special privilages cause I donated over a year ago.. Especially considering you're saying two seperate things..
"They make millions, and don't care for the players"
And..
"You donated years ago, so they give you special privilages"
If they make so much, why would they care about the measly little 60$ I donated years ago?
Quote from: Transcend on Jul 13, 2007, 11:28 PM
@elements: Because they care about the next thing you will do A.K.A : ADsssssssssssssss
@all
Anima isn t great,it s corrupt,it sucks
WHY?
There is no real RO in all this mess.they should change the name to MarketRO :/
The PvP,GVG scene is absurd .a girl from anima that came to my server told me that her guild was accused of botting AT THE TIME THEY actualy got strong enough to woe!
means that each time a guild that isn t made of potential donators is getting kicked? (maybe,not confirmed 100%)
If they suck so much why do they have so much players DUH!
Let's see the potential ANIMARO Players:
90% The US SCUM of ro players that have a paypall and can donate 130$(130 dollar is the total amount for a server rent )and that can t realy play
5% Newbies to RO that needed a Free RO server and sadly found Anima.....
5% Foreign players(mostly UK) that have a way of donating or Sponsor ads
Sadly,it seems this 100% represents 3000 player that anima and talon have ;)
Look, you clearly have not ever played on the server much less talked for any amount of time to anybody who has. In my small guild of about 20 active players, we have several Europeans, several Canadians, several people under 18 who don't even really have access to means of donation, and a decent number more who are capable of donating but don't do any more than the relatively few free credit offers. And we're still active and competitive in WoE. We have a pretty decent number of 90+ trans characters with solid gear that have never donated a penny.
And we're not alone. Several of the biggest and most powerful guilds on the server are primarily Philipino. There are foreigners and non-donators all through the tiers of players.
Seriously, this not being able to compete if you don't donate thing is a myth propagated by players that are pissed off that they can't just walk in with a level 80 character with NPC equips and own in pvp. Yes, it's harder to get to the top if you don't donate, but it's far from impossible.
Quote from: Illisuun on Jul 14, 2007, 03:47 AM
Yes, it's harder to get to the top if you don't donate, but it's far from impossible.
YES! You confessed! Finally!
Remember that there are many low rate servers around that don't give MVP cards or lord kaho's horns for donating. In there, it's not easier to get to the top by donating. Why do you play on Anima anyway? You even said it yourself: If you don't donate, it's harder.
Because I don't like losing my characters when servers go down due to lack of funding, primarily. Unless you've got a fairly giving community, you're going to have to offer something in exchange for donations in order to cover your expenses.
Quote from: Illisuun on Jul 14, 2007, 07:05 AM
Because I don't like losing my characters when servers go down due to lack of funding, primarily. Unless you've got a fairly giving community, you're going to have to offer something in exchange for donations in order to cover your expenses.
Here's some good examples to follow, and the reason why Anima sucks compared to all these.
Der RO and Paradise RO: --
These servers have no donation rewards and don't even accept donations.
Ragnarok NOW: http://ragnanow.com (CLICK ON "DONATE")
This server accepts donations, but does not have any rewards for them. That's a "DONATION" as supposed to be.
EuphRO: http://www.euphrogame.com/donations.php
Watch, how these guys offer no MVP cards or anything like that. Their donations are for looks only.
CelestiaRO: http://www.celestiaro.net/donations.html
Statless wings and name changes. Nothing that will make non-donators feel bad.
See? You don't have to screw over all non-donators to get a bit of money. AnimaRO requires you to donate to be good, these servers don't.
Quote from: BRabbit on Jul 14, 2007, 11:56 AM
Quote from: Illisuun on Jul 14, 2007, 07:05 AM
Because I don't like losing my characters when servers go down due to lack of funding, primarily. Unless you've got a fairly giving community, you're going to have to offer something in exchange for donations in order to cover your expenses.
Here's some good examples to follow, and the reason why Anima sucks compared to all these.
Der RO and Paradise RO: --
These servers have no donation rewards and don't even accept donations.
Ragnarok NOW: http://ragnanow.com (CLICK ON "DONATE")
This server accepts donations, but does not have any rewards for them. That's a "DONATION" as supposed to be.
EuphRO: http://www.euphrogame.com/donations.php
Watch, how these guys offer no MVP cards or anything like that. Their donations are for looks only.
CelestiaRO: http://www.celestiaro.net/donations.html
Statless wings and name changes. Nothing that will make non-donators feel bad.
See? You don't have to screw over all non-donators to get a bit of money. AnimaRO requires you to donate to be good, these servers don't.
:D! as he said
but i think the anima guys like it as it is
i give money,il be strong in a game so :P
"US SCUM" ? o0
Woah,Woah just because our government sucks right now doesn't mean all Americans are scum, are you aware our president has a less than 30% approval rating, and most of the country is against him? His only real supporters are corporations,Rednecks and Evangelists, which unfortunately, happen to be a majority of the voters these days >.>
Anyway, back on topic,
AnimaRO doesn't suck, like I said, alot of things could be added,and a alot of things need to be removed,abolished,etc.
The Community's attitude fluctuates alot these days, and the economy is all over the place as of late, but other than that, things aren't too bad I suppose.
I don't consider aRO to be the greatest server, or even one of the best these days, However, it isn't a bad server either, IMO.
There was a time when I wouldve called aRO one of the best servers around, but those days are long gone...
@Raruri
Sorry,you didn t understand what i mean.
I said US SCUM of ragnarok players akathe bad US ro players :)
Quote from: BRabbit on Jul 14, 2007, 11:56 AM
Quote from: Illisuun on Jul 14, 2007, 07:05 AM
Because I don't like losing my characters when servers go down due to lack of funding, primarily. Unless you've got a fairly giving community, you're going to have to offer something in exchange for donations in order to cover your expenses.
Here's some good examples to follow, and the reason why Anima sucks compared to all these.
Der RO and Paradise RO: --
These servers have no donation rewards and don't even accept donations.
Ragnarok NOW: http://ragnanow.com (CLICK ON "DONATE")
This server accepts donations, but does not have any rewards for them. That's a "DONATION" as supposed to be.
EuphRO: http://www.euphrogame.com/donations.php
Watch, how these guys offer no MVP cards or anything like that. Their donations are for looks only.
CelestiaRO: http://www.celestiaro.net/donations.html
Statless wings and name changes. Nothing that will make non-donators feel bad.
See? You don't have to screw over all non-donators to get a bit of money. AnimaRO requires you to donate to be good, these servers don't.
Utter crap highlighted for emphasis. Just stating it over and over doesn't make it true.
And I don't think servers need donation rewards to run. They just need them if they want to have any sort of large player base and long term surviveability.
With the exception of EuphRO, those look like new-ish and relatively small servers. EuphRO is also the one that does in fact give in-game items (boxes) for donations. Coincidence?
I haven't visited RMS in forever, but I felt the need to step in here and help clarify a distinction that I don't feel a lot of people are able to make. I'm not here to talk about whether or not Anima is a good or a bad server, everyone knows my opinion already, and arguing such things becomes a matter of perspective, and doesn't get anyone anywhere except angry.
I'm here to talk about game balance.
Many people claim that MVP cards and the like are obscenely unbalanced, and ruin the way the game works. Most people fall back on the concept that they were meant to be rare items, not items that everyone should have, but I think the biggest problem with this argument is that Gravity did not successfully balance such items to begin with, and I even think that a system that allows the majority of players to have access to the top-level end of gear is superior to one where only a minute few (By comparison) ever attain access to such items.
Let's look at this from the way one would get MVP gear on a server that doesn't allow players to get any MVP items through any method other than getting the cards from the kills. Lets assume that the server is a 1x, since most of the people here seem to be interested in the low-rate competition.
Golden Thief Bug card is one of the most sought-after prizes throughout most servers, and one of the most disputed when it comes to balancing it with the rest of the game.
On a low-rate, non-donation server, GTB drops his card at a 1/10,000 rate. For a player to get such a card, there is only one solution: Be very, very lucky. The lucky player, the one-in-a-million (Or should I say one-in-ten-thousand), will end up nabbing this rare gem of a card, and suddenly, this player is on an elevated status over every other single player on the server.
When someone gets an MVP card, and it does happen, that single player becomes a very valuable commodity, and he can use the card to his advantage, or sell it for a ridiculous price to other players who might be far richer, and can thus afford to fork over the cash. The player in question now has a large amount of character wealth for no other reason than that he is lucky, and there is now an MVP card on the server to "imbalance" things.
With a limited number of cards on a server, it means that the vast majority of players on the server are at a massive disadvantage, because there are lucky or rich players out there who have the ridiculous advantage of MVP carded equipment, and for another player to approach their power level, it either takes far more skill than the player in question, or it takes an equivalent level of gear... and on such a server you have no way of equalizing that power.
So here, on your non-donation server, are a select few players who are more-or-less gods among men, who have significant and unmatched advantages over other players... advantages that can't be countered. The cards are there, and are possessed by the few.
While a donation item server may not be perfect, look at what it creates instead. Because Anima in particular has a wide array of ways to earn donation-level gear, the items are available to a much higher percentage of players, which means while the average power level of the player base does jump dramatically, it means that any given player has a fighting chance to be on a competitive level, and doesn't have to rely on a one-in-however-many-thousand rare item drop to do it.
So tell me again that having widely available MVP equipment is more imbalanced than leaving it up to luck, because the numbers I see are telling me otherwise.
Quote from: Transcend on Jul 15, 2007, 10:45 AM
Sorry for being so blunt but,this post is made of crap and s***
Giving mvp's to everyone?because one on 10k ppl will get lucky enough??????
Do you know how an MMORPG is made?
how stats are calculated and WHO DOES THEM?
Also it s not about luck
someone who camps GTB 24/24 for 2years should get that card$
but you who donated,you shouldn t get it!
You're clearly not looking at the driving mechanics behind what I was referring to, here. I understand why you're saying what you're saying, but the simple fact is that its a logical fallacy.
A player could camp GTB for 2 years and never see a card drop. Its a very real possibility. Despite what you may think about Ragnarok Online, Karma isn't something that you can count as a mathematical value when determining the availability of a resource. A player literally can go down th GTB for the first time in his life, kill the MVP, and get the card.
Your contempt towards this subject is clearly because you think the idea of people being able to use their real-life affluence to quickly attain an edge in an online game, which is a reasonable point-of-view, but NOT one that helps resolve the balance conflict of MVP cards.
You ignored the entire point of my post in your reply. It's not simply that any given player can get it, but that its a matter of luck, no, it's that these "crazy powerful imbalanced cards"
end up in player hands, but worse, they end up in only a few player hands. Even if they belong to the best few players on the server, it still means that those select few players who have them have an unmatched advantage that other players can't replicate.
If these cards are so unbalanced that it's not OK for lots of players to have them, how is it OK for only a few players to have them, who then have free reign over the rest of the server?
For the first part of the post I was going to make, Gene pretty much covered everything. No need to repeat it.
As for you that are STILL confused on the topic title, it's a complete joke, more or less to attract more readers. I wasn't actually doing a poll of seriousness. >___>
As at the US donating scum comment, I know a HELL of a lot of people who live in the US, INCLUDING MYSELF, who have donated less than quite a few of the non US citizens. Just because a few do it doesn't mean everyone does. Using such a blurred and slurred phrase like that only makes you look like a fool. Esmerala, I see no point in you being in this topic if you're going to make comment on things that I'm trying to clear up. Honestly, most of the AnimaRO players hate BlackTalon, Calbee and the bunch. I personally don't have a problem with any of them, save Calbee. I even chat with them in their IRC when they're on.
For those of you complaining on how donators ruin the game, look at it this way. How much does a card cost in iRO, kRO, or any other pserver? TONS. HOLY SHANK A LOT. How much does it cost on aRO? Still quite a bit, but you aren't giving your arm and leg for it. The trickle economy effect has its good points. Even if you don't directly benefit, you STILL do benefit. Hell, with proper farming and such, making about 3 mil a day, it'd only take you about a week or less to get an MvP card. One month = 4 cards. As you get more cards, you become better at farming as well, because you're more powered. You'll be able to farm more zeny.
In all honesty, if you don't want to play Anima, that's fine by me. Donating not your thing? Only want to be a casual player? Go to SerenityRO then.
Quote from: AxeGunner on Jul 15, 2007, 07:58 PM
For the first part of the post I was going to make, Gene pretty much covered everything. No need to repeat it.
I don't believe for a second that Gene is posting here under the name Xennith. That is Harken posting. Pat's writing style is much different than Nick's writing style. For those who don't know, Nick = Gene and Pat = Harken. Pat has a thing about hiding his identity, and posing as Nick by using the name Xennith here is one of his hiding tactics.
This thread was probably some kind of stunt to draw attention to aRO.
Quote from: BMontgomery on Jul 15, 2007, 08:47 PM
Quote from: AxeGunner on Jul 15, 2007, 07:58 PM
For the first part of the post I was going to make, Gene pretty much covered everything. No need to repeat it.
I don't believe for a second that Gene is posting here under the name Xennith. That is Harken posting. Pat's writing style is much different than Nick's writing style. For those who don't know, Nick = Gene and Pat = Harken. Pat has a thing about hiding his identity, and posing as Nick by using the name Xennith here is one of his hiding tactics.
This thread was probably some kind of stunt to draw attention to aRO.
What the hell kind of conspiracy are you trying to say. I have no affiliation with the AnimaRO staff, aside from talking with Gene. He DID post that, whether you and your conspirators say so. Seriously, where are you getting your facts from?
I would like a legitimate source as well, not some quote from the middle of nowhere that you wont link, or claim it to be general knowledge.
Stunt? No. I'd just like people who come here to stop believing you conspirators who have something or another against AnimaRO. Claim your theories as you may, 1,100+ that are generally on at any given moment speak for itself. If there was REALLY some conspiracy, I'm sure the general public is smart enough to figure that something is up. Or do you have some sort of secret connection with Harken, who is relaying all of this information to you?
Quote from: Xennith on Jul 15, 2007, 06:45 PM
If these cards are so unbalanced that it's not OK for lots of players to have them, how is it OK for only a few players to have them, who then have free reign over the rest of the server?
Once again you have chosen to ignore the point of my post in an effort to show how superior of a person you see yourself as, and I'd appreciate it if you'd answer my question.
Quote from: AxeGunner on Jul 15, 2007, 10:01 PM
What the hell kind of conspiracy are you trying to say. I have no affiliation with the AnimaRO staff, aside from talking with Gene. He DID post that, whether you and your conspirators say so. Seriously, where are you getting your facts from?
I would like a legitimate source as well, not some quote from the middle of nowhere that you wont link, or claim it to be general knowledge.
Stunt? No. I'd just like people who come here to stop believing you conspirators who have something or another against AnimaRO. Claim your theories as you may, 1,100+ that are generally on at any given moment speak for itself. If there was REALLY some conspiracy, I'm sure the general public is smart enough to figure that something is up. Or do you have some sort of secret connection with Harken, who is relaying all of this information to you?
No secret connections and no conspiracy that I know of.
My past visits to Patrick and Nick's 3 bedroom apartment located in Beaverton Oregon have given me enough familiarity with the two of them to know who is behind the Xennith posts.
Quote from: Xennith on Jul 16, 2007, 12:34 AM
Quote from: Xennith on Jul 15, 2007, 06:45 PM
If these cards are so unbalanced that it's not OK for lots of players to have them, how is it OK for only a few players to have them, who then have free reign over the rest of the server?
Once again you have chosen to ignore the point of my post in an effort to show how superior of a person you see yourself as, and I'd appreciate it if you'd answer my question.
Let me try to answer that question. Yes, MVP cards are an unfair advantage on pretty much any server where they exist, but they are in no way balance breaking. Sure a player with a Golden Thief Bug card would be pretty damn strong against spell users, but keep in mind that it boosts your SP usage by one hell of alot, and there are ways to counter it. The same goes for pretty much any MVP card, except the ones that aren't that strong. I highly doubt one MVP card on a "normal" server without donation items would ruin the ingame balance. Take this example:
One of the best cards ingame, IMO, would be the Ghostring card. Especially on low rates. However, it's pretty hard to actually get. Not as hard as a MVP card, but not too far away either. On two now-dead servers, LunarisRO and HopeRO, there was a couple of Ghostring cards floating around, like on most servers. Sure, the players with those cards were strong, but far from superior to the others. And even if they were among the top tier players, it wasn't because of the cards themselves, but the way they played, having the patience to farm those low percentage rare mob drops, instead of just getting the basic gears like most players do.
If you look at the cards that way, you'd probably think that everyone having them wouldn't be a problem. But that's like saying everyone should have Sleipnirs, Megingjards, Kaho's, and so on. Those items, even though they're not strong enough to actually ruin the game's balance, do cause one serious problem if they're too easily obtained; They remove the possibility of versatility ingame. Why would anyone take the time to hunt the ingredients for a Feathered Beret, when you can spend 20 bucks and get a LKH that looks like one?
The same goes for cards. Why the hell would I put in a, let's say Evil Druid card, in my armor, when I can just spend some money and get a Ghostring or Tao Gunka card instead? Why would I waste my time swapping between different weapons depending on my situation when I've got my Phreeoni, Turtle General, Turtle General, Thanatos slotted weapon? Making MVP cards and rare items so easily obtainable pretty much destroys any point in using most of the other cards, making PvP and WoE dull, due to everyone of the same class having the exact same cards and gears.
And then there's the issue of people not being able to donate. Some of us are just poor/underage, and must spend the little money we have on other things, hence we can't buy our way into a good character. I think it gives "rich" people an unfair advantage, that shouldn't present itself in a game made for people to have fun in.
I also believe, as you've probably already realized by reading the rest of this post, that the players actually putting down the time and effort hunting these rare mob drops should be the ones ending up strong. Not the ones who can spend the most of their allowance on ingame items. Oh, and yeah, then there's the chance factor. Of course, a 0,01% drop won't just come to you because you hunt it. But seriously, as any low rate player would know, you will get that damned card if you just keep going. The drop rate is not so low it's completely up to chance, a player who does hunt the thing for a few weeks or months does have a pretty good chance of getting it.
I get the feeling I've missed something vital in this post, so you'll be looking forward to a nice edit when I figure out what it was. Thank you for reading. :>
Quote from: BMontgomery on Jul 16, 2007, 12:54 AM
No secret connections and no conspiracy that I know of.
My past visits to Patrick and Nick's 3 bedroom apartment located in Beaverton Oregon have given me enough familiarity with the two of them to know who is behind the Xennith posts.
Wait, did Harken also sneak onto Gene's MSN and talk to me about that post while he was writing it? I guess it was also Harken on Gene's account beforehand when I mentioned the RMS forums to him and indirectly lead to his posting here.
I think the more likely story is that you don't know what you are talking about.
Quote from: Slaw on Jul 16, 2007, 01:00 AM
The same goes for cards. Why the hell would I put in a, let's say Evil Druid card, in my armor, when I can just spend some money and get a Ghostring or Tao Gunka card instead? Why would I waste my time swapping between different weapons depending on my situation when I've got my Phreeoni, Turtle General, Turtle General, Thanatos slotted weapon? Making MVP cards and rare items so easily obtainable pretty much destroys any point in using most of the other cards, making PvP and WoE dull, due to everyone of the same class having the exact same cards and gears.
We do suffer from issues like these to some small degree. It's viable to become a cookie cutter character with 1 set of gear by donating and then go into pvp and do at least decently. It doesn't completely limit the incentive to gear switch, though. I personally am a level 99 champion on the server, considered by at least a few to be the best there, and I have access to a large amount of the best gear in the game. I run multiple weapons, despite the fact that I have access to a custom super quest fist slotted with two turtle general cards and a hydra that has stats and damage output that no other weapon can touch for me, and a built in element to boot. And to take your question quite specifically, I have both a ghostring and tao gunka card on my hotkeys, and yet I still have an evil druid there (that gets pretty frequent use) as well. In fact, in total I have so many gear switches (some double digit number total) that I have trouble finding room on my hotbar for them. I personally like this, because it rewards technical execution in player versus player environments instead of farming prowess.
Quote from: Transcend on Jul 16, 2007, 12:15 PM
Quote from: Illisuun on Jul 16, 2007, 02:41 AM
I personally like this, because it rewards technical execution in player versus player environments instead of farming prowess.
Now those are the scum of RO players :)
What? The scum of RO players prefer having to be good at the game instead of just putting more hours into farming to be the best? Count me first and foremost among the scum, then.
Quote from: Transcend on Jul 16, 2007, 02:09 PM
Nope.Unless you farm you won t get adapted to your skills and class therefore you are a bad player or a robot
For IE: A good monk would use all of his skills and move around and wouldn t need even a pot,he will keep his range,he knows when he will die and when is the good time to atack.and when to use asura :)
an animaro monk does
Box of thunder,runs to the enemmy ASURA if the asura kills the enemy then yay if not he dies :D
Last time I checked, I can farm playing with my feet. There's no skill involved, just long, repetitive processes.
Quote from: Xennith on Jul 15, 2007, 06:45 PM
If these cards are so unbalanced that it's not OK for lots of players to have them, how is it OK for only a few players to have them, who then have free reign over the rest of the server?
I run a small low rate server, it's been opened for well over a year. We don't offer MVP cards for donation, there are currently 5 MVP cards and altough they give an advantage to the lucky player who spent
hours and hours hunting them, they don't make them gods, they don't "reign" over the server for it. Perhaps in 1vs1 PVP this holds more value, but certainly not in WOE. The person with MVP card might be a little bit harder to kill or attack faster/better but they can still be taken down with good tactic, the right class or just sheer number of opponent. A few player with 1 MVP card is still balanced, people come to know who these people are and find ways to counter them.
Quote from: Transcend on Jul 16, 2007, 02:09 PM
Nope.Unless you farm you won t get adapted to your skills and class therefore you are a bad player or a robot
For IE: A good monk would use all of his skills and move around and wouldn t need even a pot,he will keep his range,he knows when he will die and when is the good time to atack.and when to use asura :)
an animaro monk does
Box of thunder,runs to the enemmy ASURA if the asura kills the enemy then yay if not he dies :D
There are no boxes of thunder on the server. And I was dueling the other champ considered to be the best on the server in pvp just the other day. Let me explain to you how it worked. We both weapon switched to quad marina maces a lot, forcing the other to either risk the quit 1-hit with asura if they armor switched for freeze protection, or risk getting frozen and guaranteed 1-hit killed. We snapped all over the large arena, trying to keep the match at our own pace. I didn't have raging palm strike in my build, so most of the time when he resorted to RPS with quick TSS followups, I had to either pre-pneuma spots before RPS even landed me there or get hit instantly with a huge TSS, or I had to rapidly body relocate away to basically hit the reset button on our duel. In the mean time, if he froze, he'd put on Orc Lord armor, which would cause the match to be a draw if I followed up with a full force asura. So if he froze, I had to manage weapons and my SP so that I could be sure that I wouldn't die from the reflect, and I had to do it in the time before he unfroze, which isn't that incredibly long due to the relatively high mdef he was assuredly running. I used agi down and we both used absorb spirits to try to throw a wrench into each other's works. And through the whole thing, a single mistake on either side would cause the match to end almost instantaneously. Freeze was the most obvious way, but landing about 2 TSSes made it quite feasible for either of us to follow up with an Asura and get the kill without even proccing a status. Yet our matches almost all ran more than a few minutes, and some of them may have gotten up towards the double digit minute mark.
That's the sort of thing that happens in the true top tier on AnimaRO. I hightly doubt a single player on your server has to manage that many gears and skills to be successful on your server.
You're all getting a bit too personal. Examples from servers are okay. Don't bash eachother though. Thank you.
Quote from: Transcend on Jul 16, 2007, 04:14 PM
but since anima has +20all stat gear @_@!!!
i don't know if you were being sarcastic or not but anima doesn't have +20 gears
QuoteMy past visits to Patrick and Nick's 3 bedroom apartment located in Beaverton Oregon have given me enough familiarity with the two of them to know who is behind the Xennith posts.
is that supposed to make us believe you? don't make such wild claims, they make you less believable
Quote from: idnum2itemdesctable.txt
A special headgear created specifically for Lord Kaho... Whoever he is.
STR + 5 , INT + 5
VIT + 10 , AGI + 10
LUK + 20 , MDEF + 10
Class :^777777 Headgear^000000
Defense :^777777 5^000000
Equipped On :^777777 Upper^000000
Weight :^777777 10^000000
Applicable Job :^777777 Every Job^000000
Quote from: item_db.txt
5013,Horn_Of_Lord_Kaho,Lord Kaho's Horn,5,20,,100,,5,,0,0xFFFFFFFF,7,2,256,,0,1,99,{ bonus bMdef,10; bonus bStr,5; bonus bAgi,10; bonus bVit,10; bonus bInt,5; bonus bLuk,20; },{},{}
I have enjoyed the flaming and arguing and so on so far, but please, if you want to discuss stick to the facts and don't invent stuff up.
Actually, no, Transcend is correct. Our server does have a modified version of the Lord Kaho's Horns available in-game and through our donation-rewards system, and it does have those stats.
Having MVP cards in way by donations is just wrong. It's bad enough that some players would resort in doing so... then all you have are lazy arsed players running around with juiced up cards and equips.
It doesn't mean that hosting a free game server gives you the right to exploit kids by way of donations. We do accept donations too in our server but we don't do it in a fashion that would exploit the players and the server. We don't go posting that the server costs this and that and it takes alot to maintain one. For cryin out loud... you do know that it takes time, effort and money to run a good server, so why cry and exploit people to donate??? If that's not corrupt... what is???
I may sound like a hypocrite but here's how we handle or implement donations towards our server:
QuoteAnyone who would like to donate is more than welcomed to do so.
RK-RO is a free online gaming service, so it does not self sustains the cost, it does not generate any monitary income. But if you want to help us pay the hosting fees, you are most welcomed to donate.
If you decide to donate, please read carefuly our donation policy presented below which states important points that need to be respected at all times.
Don't hesitate to prove me wrong, you can check out donation policy here... (http://forum.rk-ro.com/index.php?showforum=47) (btw, most section of our forum can be viewed by members only, I just making this park viewable to public for just this instance)
To exploit a free service by way of making money thru donations is wrong, wicked and corrupt. >:(
Nothing to say but
130$ Lord Kaho's Horns top headgear, usable by all, +6 DEF, +20 STR/INT/DEX, +20 MDEF
from their donation page
and if u wanna disguise them 150$
Quote from: Transcend on Jul 16, 2007, 04:14 PM
Go ask about two guys in my serv
Gryphin + chaos and you will see what a "GOOD ro player" is @_@
I don't make the claim that I am a "Good ro player." I do however think that the speed of our pvp and the availability of items for gear switches increases the amount of precision with which one has to play to be at the top of the game.
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orc lord card yeah as if @_@
I don't know what that's supposed to mean. I died to it once during our duels.
Quote
Also your duel is crapy,since a "QUICK TSS" does not realy exist but since anima has +20all stat gear @_@!!!
Actually, this is completely irrelevant to my point. It's very very easy to get TSS fast enough so that you can time it to land the instant RPS knockback procs.
Without reading anything except "AnimaRO" in the title...
THE DAMN "NEW" ANIMARO SCREWED UP MY COMPUTER!!!!!!!, never again will i play the server!!!!!!
Quote from: Zurital on Jul 16, 2007, 10:48 PM
good contribution, nice to skip the reading and just talk out ur donkey ;) ;) ;)
but honestly aRO sucks. Its a cash cow thats all it is. + the lag is just terrible.
Says the guy playing Serenity RO /ho.
Quote from: Elements on Jul 20, 2007, 05:29 AM
Quote from: Zurital on Jul 16, 2007, 10:48 PM
good contribution, nice to skip the reading and just talk out ur donkey ;) ;) ;)
but honestly aRO sucks. Its a cash cow thats all it is. + the lag is just terrible.
Says the guy playing Serenity RO /ho.
HUH We all tested aRO someday /ho
and we all disliked it and changed servers...
Quote from: Smyted on Jul 16, 2007, 10:35 PM
Without reading anything except "AnimaRO" in the title...
THE DAMN "NEW" ANIMARO SCREWED UP MY COMPUTER!!!!!!!, never again will i play the server!!!!!!
Your falsified claims make me laugh. There is no base proof in that statement, only a single line from someone nobody even knows. Although I have no proof, I would take a
guess as to this is an alt account of someone.
Quote from: Transcend on Jul 16, 2007, 09:42 PM
Nothing to say but
130$ Lord Kaho's Horns top headgear, usable by all, +6 DEF, +20 STR/INT/DEX, +20 MDEF
from their donation page
and if u wanna disguise them 150$
Stop pulling crap out of your @$$. 100$ for the kahos themselves. If you'd like to have the customized, it's an extra 30$.
For you others, I've donated 30$ in physical cash to that server. Every other one of my equips was from hours of farming or friends who quit. Just because someone has good gears on aRO doesn't meant that they donated for it all. Elements has been playing longer than I have, as well.
Why are you all acting like 13 year olds about this? Honestly, it's really annoying. A lot of these posts are hardly legible, and the ones that are have the mind of a 13 year old behind them. I'm not bashing all of you. For those of you, and you know who you are, writing out legitimate statements against it, thank you. I respect your decision, and being able to hold some amount of IQ while posting.
i agree i dont like aRO its lame low rates suck
Quote from: Pre-RO Rain on Jul 22, 2007, 06:19 PM
i agree i dont like aRO its lame low rates suck
See what aRO did,it made an innonecent kid hate low rates and therefore screwed his RO life SHAME aRO,shame......
Quote from: Transcend on Jul 22, 2007, 07:10 PM
See what aRO did,it made an innonecent kid hate low rates and therefore screwed his RO life SHAME aRO,shame......
Don't you have something better to do than troll? I heard you have a server to run or something.
It has come to my attention that these AnimaRO topics draw a lot of attention since they're notorious. However, can you PLEASE stop creating topics based on PURE OPINION. If you haven't played on this server before (INCLUDES 80% OF YOU OTHER SERVER OWNERS), PLEASE stop commenting on how their server SHOULD BE RAN. Everybody has different opinions on what fun is. I understand it might make you e-cool for dissing on servers that are notorious. But remember, if you haven't played on the server, then you don't have the right to be talking about how awful that server is.
Therefore, a new rule was added in Server Discussion guidelines.
Quote
-If you have never played on the server being commented on, refrain from any "I heard..." comments.
-To Server Owners: How people run servers are totally up to them. Don't litter in their topics, please.
Quote from: BRabbit on Jul 11, 2007, 06:53 AM
OK, let's see... AnimaRO donation rewards page...
MVP card and 10 OPBs for 27$...
Lord Kaho's Horns for 100$...
130$ to hide the fact that you wear Lord Kaho's horns...
Sleipnir for 30$...
Conclusion: the server is crap. You can't play in it if you don't donate.
comeplte s***, sorry get your facts straight before you try to answer smart.
you CAN donate; you can also get ads in game by buying them with zeny. it is playable without donating, people just should think about ways to make use of a big economy.
Anyway; @topic; aRO has changed pretty much, maybe it was even luck that Black Talon calbee etcetc. left our server, since they were obviously corrupt.
How are our current gms corrupt?
just an example, gms punish Donaters as well as non donaters for rule breaking EQUALLY. how is that corrupt?
Also the community is jsut great; sure you have some idiots too, but dont forget that its a server with 1.5k people after all.
The most "1337" gears are extreme hard to get and non donatable; you cant just get your credit card and be the "pwnage" in one day.
Anyway, to make long story short, aRO is a great server, people should give it a try instead judging from a high horse. why else would this server have 1.5k+ players?
Also, no i didnt bother to read all pages of this thread, sorry if i repeated something that someone else said.
animaro is a good server because it uses aegis. emulators might have a better/newer features, but aegis has the real feel of the real deal :)
Lol, it's only cause aegis is based on the exact data of the real emulator which was leaked xD! You guys hardly get any updates cause Gravity is a bit more careful to not let the data leak again.
Quote from: bensei on Aug 28, 2007, 05:18 AM
Quote from: BRabbit on Jul 11, 2007, 06:53 AM
OK, let's see... AnimaRO donation rewards page...
MVP card and 10 OPBs for 27$...
Lord Kaho's Horns for 100$...
130$ to hide the fact that you wear Lord Kaho's horns...
Sleipnir for 30$...
Conclusion: the server is crap. You can't play in it if you don't donate.
comeplte s***, sorry get your facts straight before you try to answer smart.
you CAN donate; you can also get ads in game by buying them with zeny. it is playable without donating, people just should think about ways to make use of a big economy.
Anyway; @topic; aRO has changed pretty much, maybe it was even luck that Black Talon calbee etcetc. left our server, since they were obviously corrupt.
How are our current gms corrupt?
just an example, gms punish Donaters as well as non donaters for rule breaking EQUALLY. how is that corrupt?
Also the community is jsut great; sure you have some idiots too, but dont forget that its a server with 1.5k people after all.
The most "1337" gears are extreme hard to get and non donatable; you cant just get your credit card and be the "pwnage" in one day.
Anyway, to make long story short, aRO is a great server, people should give it a try instead judging from a high horse. why else would this server have 1.5k+ players?
Also, no i didnt bother to read all pages of this thread, sorry if i repeated something that someone else said.
huh...
No,you need to donate to be cool and kick donkey :(
Ads? are donation too that are only for US players.
yes i played aRO and i still have my knight there :S
Quote from: Transcend on Aug 28, 2007, 01:18 PM
Quote from: bensei on Aug 28, 2007, 05:18 AM
Quote from: BRabbit on Jul 11, 2007, 06:53 AM
OK, let's see... AnimaRO donation rewards page...
MVP card and 10 OPBs for 27$...
Lord Kaho's Horns for 100$...
130$ to hide the fact that you wear Lord Kaho's horns...
Sleipnir for 30$...
Conclusion: the server is crap. You can't play in it if you don't donate.
comeplte s***, sorry get your facts straight before you try to answer smart.
you CAN donate; you can also get ads in game by buying them with zeny. it is playable without donating, people just should think about ways to make use of a big economy.
Anyway; @topic; aRO has changed pretty much, maybe it was even luck that Black Talon calbee etcetc. left our server, since they were obviously corrupt.
How are our current gms corrupt?
just an example, gms punish Donaters as well as non donaters for rule breaking EQUALLY. how is that corrupt?
Also the community is jsut great; sure you have some idiots too, but dont forget that its a server with 1.5k people after all.
The most "1337" gears are extreme hard to get and non donatable; you cant just get your credit card and be the "pwnage" in one day.
Anyway, to make long story short, aRO is a great server, people should give it a try instead judging from a high horse. why else would this server have 1.5k+ players?
Also, no i didnt bother to read all pages of this thread, sorry if i repeated something that someone else said.
huh...
No,you need to donate to be cool and kick donkey :(
Ads? are donation too that are only for US players.
yes i played aRO and i still have my knight there :S
If you were serious about your post you are/were honestly doing something wrong. not to be disrespectful, but if you fail in the game its just childish to blame the server for it. i got most of my equips due to farming items and making use of the economy.
I don't get your point in defending aRO, now if you weren't an US citizen that can Donate or Add donate . I would have taken your argument in my head and maybe think it over.
Who is the greatest player in aRO? Is he not a donater, rather the GM but that is another story.
Quote from: Transcend on Aug 28, 2007, 07:30 PM
I don't get your point in defending aRO, now if you weren't an US citizen that can Donate or Add donate . I would have taken your argument in my head and maybe think it over.
Who is the greatest player in aRO? Is he not a donater, rather the GM but that is another story.
Im actually not an Us citizen o.o;
why are all your arguements based on donating? Dont be so foolish to believe a server will run a long time without donations.
greatest player in aro? if you refer to pvp, i actually never see any gm in pvp who is "dominating" over all.
thats what Mr. T did.
Lets ignore, for a moment, the donation aspect of aro. While broken, it's nothing big. A studious player can just grind at niff for a few weeks to get better gear.
Now, lets look at what you can actually buy. Lets see...mvp cards, sqi, services any other GM would probably do for free, hm. Looks good. Oh, what's that? Harken will just buff/nerf the sqi's at will and without player input? Well, it can't be that bad, right? What? A pally with sanctuary? A combo-geared champ sqi without any kind of dex up? Well, that's not too broken...what? A 700-weight spear with warm wind 5? Oh, never mind.
Seriously, Harken is making it so that his favorite classes, LK and SinX, can't ever be beat. He's notoriously hard on champs and this latest nerf just shows that. It doesn't matter if you have money on aro since the head GM will just make you pick the classes he likes. Why aro has anything in the "game balance" rank is beyond me. They must all be LKs, SinXs, or Pallys.
Quote from: TRadical Dreamer on Aug 29, 2007, 07:56 AM
Lets ignore, for a moment, the donation aspect of aro. While broken, it's nothing big. A studious player can just grind at niff for a few weeks to get better gear.
Now, lets look at what you can actually buy. Lets see...mvp cards, sqi, services any other GM would probably do for free, hm. Looks good. Oh, what's that? Harken will just buff/nerf the sqi's at will and without player input? Well, it can't be that bad, right? What? A pally with sanctuary? A combo-geared champ sqi without any kind of dex up? Well, that's not too broken...what? A 700-weight spear with warm wind 5? Oh, never mind.
Seriously, Harken is making it so that his favorite classes, LK and SinX, can't ever be beat. He's notoriously hard on champs and this latest nerf just shows that. It doesn't matter if you have money on aro since the head GM will just make you pick the classes he likes. Why aro has anything in the "game balance" rank is beyond me. They must all be LKs, SinXs, or Pallys.
Ragnarok was never supposed to be balanced in the first place its just not doable with a job system.
Also, sqis gets changed without any player inputs? sorry again ,but get your facts straight, there are discussion threads about almost every sqi that are going to be buffed/nerfed.
Suiken was more or less the exception because harken already planned something with it.
Talon made the sqi's and harken can feel free to change them, that champs get 20 dex was just too broken anyway, since they didnt need to wear any other important dex gears to get ic.
sure some sqi's are still broken, but the gms are actually working on improving them.
Also, there is no spear with 700 weight and lvl 5 warm wind, sorry.
Sqi lks may be pretty strong, but you can beat them after all.
Anyway, i admit that the lk sqi is pretty strong, but it does not make the class unbeatable at all.
to the "gms take money for everything point"
you forget that the server has 1.5k+ players, would you do all those rollbacks, namechanges and whatnot for free? i doubt it.
Also, sqis arent buyable with the exception of kahos.
what i have learned from playing on private servers, some people are reeeally stupid. common sense is lacking on their brains.
if you dont like a server with donations, dont join.
if a gm is corrupt, then leave.
if a server suddenly turned to crap, find another one.
if you think you can do a better server, make one.
so you have issues with animaro? leave. simple as that. all your problems (with animaro) will go away, i guarantee you. but if you have made animaro a big part of your existence, then i pity you.
Quote from: bensei on Aug 29, 2007, 08:17 AM
Quote from: TRadical Dreamer on Aug 29, 2007, 07:56 AM
Lets ignore, for a moment, the donation aspect of aro. While broken, it's nothing big. A studious player can just grind at niff for a few weeks to get better gear.
Now, lets look at what you can actually buy. Lets see...mvp cards, sqi, services any other GM would probably do for free, hm. Looks good. Oh, what's that? Harken will just buff/nerf the sqi's at will and without player input? Well, it can't be that bad, right? What? A pally with sanctuary? A combo-geared champ sqi without any kind of dex up? Well, that's not too broken...what? A 700-weight spear with warm wind 5? Oh, never mind.
Seriously, Harken is making it so that his favorite classes, LK and SinX, can't ever be beat. He's notoriously hard on champs and this latest nerf just shows that. It doesn't matter if you have money on aro since the head GM will just make you pick the classes he likes. Why aro has anything in the "game balance" rank is beyond me. They must all be LKs, SinXs, or Pallys.
Ragnarok was never supposed to be balanced in the first place its just not doable with a job system.
Also, sqis gets changed without any player inputs? sorry again ,but get your facts straight, there are discussion threads about almost every sqi that are going to be buffed/nerfed.
Suiken was more or less the exception because harken already planned something with it.
Talon made the sqi's and harken can feel free to change them, that champs get 20 dex was just too broken anyway, since they didnt need to wear any other important dex gears to get ic.
sure some sqi's are still broken, but the gms are actually working on improving them.
Also, there is no spear with 700 weight and lvl 5 warm wind, sorry.
Sqi lks may be pretty strong, but you can beat them after all.
Anyway, i admit that the lk sqi is pretty strong, but it does not make the class unbeatable at all.
to the "gms take money for everything point"
you forget that the server has 1.5k+ players, would you do all those rollbacks, namechanges and whatnot for free? i doubt it.
Also, sqis arent buyable with the exception of kahos.
Hahahaha, you're a funny little talking head.
The so-called "discussion" threads are only the illusion of a discussion. It keeps the playing masses happy by letting them think they can have a voice. Tell me how many people wanted Warm Wind 5 on a nib? Even old-time LKs are saying it's broke. How often does aro have a "Buff Belmont!" thread? I don't see Harken doing any work there. Oh right, he won't.
SQI's are buyable with ads. I don't know where you're getting that they aren't from. Donate then trade the credits to another player for a SQI. It's pretty simplistic and it's done all the time.
Also, please post the Nib stats so all the little boys and girls who might be thinking of playing at aro can see what they'll have to put up with.
Just wait, kids, it'll make your brain bleed out your ears. =D
Fact - some random kiddo who donated really a lot (Azrael, Azrial or something like that) wasn't only packed with mvp cards, he had almost a full set of SQI equips after just a month. Now, someone who can't donate would be lucky if Kaho Horns were a part of hers/his inventory after several months.
Quote from: TRadical Dreamer on Aug 29, 2007, 03:54 PM
Quote from: bensei on Aug 29, 2007, 08:17 AM
Quote from: TRadical Dreamer on Aug 29, 2007, 07:56 AM
Lets ignore, for a moment, the donation aspect of aro. While broken, it's nothing big. A studious player can just grind at niff for a few weeks to get better gear.
Now, lets look at what you can actually buy. Lets see...mvp cards, sqi, services any other GM would probably do for free, hm. Looks good. Oh, what's that? Harken will just buff/nerf the sqi's at will and without player input? Well, it can't be that bad, right? What? A pally with sanctuary? A combo-geared champ sqi without any kind of dex up? Well, that's not too broken...what? A 700-weight spear with warm wind 5? Oh, never mind.
Seriously, Harken is making it so that his favorite classes, LK and SinX, can't ever be beat. He's notoriously hard on champs and this latest nerf just shows that. It doesn't matter if you have money on aro since the head GM will just make you pick the classes he likes. Why aro has anything in the "game balance" rank is beyond me. They must all be LKs, SinXs, or Pallys.
Ragnarok was never supposed to be balanced in the first place its just not doable with a job system.
Also, sqis gets changed without any player inputs? sorry again ,but get your facts straight, there are discussion threads about almost every sqi that are going to be buffed/nerfed.
Suiken was more or less the exception because harken already planned something with it.
Talon made the sqi's and harken can feel free to change them, that champs get 20 dex was just too broken anyway, since they didnt need to wear any other important dex gears to get ic.
sure some sqi's are still broken, but the gms are actually working on improving them.
Also, there is no spear with 700 weight and lvl 5 warm wind, sorry.
Sqi lks may be pretty strong, but you can beat them after all.
Anyway, i admit that the lk sqi is pretty strong, but it does not make the class unbeatable at all.
to the "gms take money for everything point"
you forget that the server has 1.5k+ players, would you do all those rollbacks, namechanges and whatnot for free? i doubt it.
Also, sqis arent buyable with the exception of kahos.
Hahahaha, you're a funny little talking head.
The so-called "discussion" threads are only the illusion of a discussion. It keeps the playing masses happy by letting them think they can have a voice. Tell me how many people wanted Warm Wind 5 on a nib? Even old-time LKs are saying it's broke. How often does aro have a "Buff Belmont!" thread? I don't see Harken doing any work there. Oh right, he won't.
SQI's are buyable with ads. I don't know where you're getting that they aren't from. Donate then trade the credits to another player for a SQI. It's pretty simplistic and it's done all the time.
Also, please post the Nib stats so all the little boys and girls who might be thinking of playing at aro can see what they'll have to put up with.
Just wait, kids, it'll make your brain bleed out your ears. =D
Thanks for trying to insult me, i would appreciate it if you could keep it to arguements only, thanks.
Of course the discussion threads are an "illusion" (careful, sarcasm); thats why harken is giving his/her input in it all the time. the thread is going to be closed soon, pretty much everything is planned as it seems, i think theyll test the sqi now and then change it. Also, nibelung is NOT unbeatable. Any ranged class that actually knows a bit what they do si able to beat nib lks. Also, its warm wind Lvl 4; practically two armor switches can reduce the most damage. For gods sake, please learn game strategies. Lks cant change their weapon property without letting a BIG FAT korean sign appearing about their head wich begs you to switch your damn armor. However, again i want to mention that Job based games are NEVER balanced. Also, no, i dont play nib lk kthx. (just incase you want to play that card against me)
Its hella easy to make money on aro, actually i wonder why people dont learn to take advantage of a damn big economy. you can basically make money with almost everything. i just want to mention my prime example from aro, who started with like 10m and ended with 200m zeny in like 3 weeks.
You refered to the item shop btw, and you can NOT buy sqi's in the item shop. what players to between each other shouldnt bother you, since i dont see how that is an arguement for/against animaro at all.
Due to the ad system Mvp cards are really cheap to buy (EVEN WITHOUT DONATING); its ok that there are a few really good items that arent as easy to get.
Ho well, im late now. For your future replies, please, please for gods sake make a sense. Going all like "there is a strong item that i cant beat because im not able to use common sense in pvp fighs" is not the way to go at all. Not to mention thet Harken is most likely going to redo all the Sqis that black talon made.
What about actually showing some proof that our gms are corrupt; that sqi threads are just illusion etc. instead of just throwing in mindless arguements for the sake of having the last word?
Question addressed to Bensei, Have you ever played another server ? for example Euph or Evo would be a better example ?
If yes then for how long.
And don't lie :x
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Another one
Quote from: Transcend on Aug 30, 2007, 12:02 PM
Question addressed to Bensei, Have you ever played another server ? for example Euph or Evo would be a better example ?
If yes then for how long.
And don't lie :x
i use to play on heRO from time to time, and am registered there since may. i was looking for another server first, since with the whole drama about aro in that time it wasnt sure if the server will survive. however, since everything calmed down i went back to aRO and play heRo every now and then when im bored.
Why do you ask? @.@
Quote from: BRabbit on Jul 11, 2007, 06:53 AM
OK, let's see... AnimaRO donation rewards page...
MVP card and 10 OPBs for 27$...
Lord Kaho's Horns for 100$...
130$ to hide the fact that you wear Lord Kaho's horns...
Sleipnir for 30$...
Conclusion: the server is crap. You can't play in it if you don't donate.
I have NEVER donated a cent to Aro and yet i have DL slieps,custom Kahos, 2 celebration rins and over 14 Mvps cards and recently sold a suiken in which i didnt even donate to make the zeny.
You have to find a way to get those gears without donating which is what I did. Farming vending former gears,Niff and theres a whole bunch of other ways !
The SQIs do get discussed by the Aro members like bensei said.
Some Aro members DO donate like crazy which is a waste in my opinion.
I'd rather get gears without donation =D
The server isnt CRAP its great , the greatest in my opinon . The people who badmouth are crap.
I've played on 3 other servers and Those quickly got me bored. I've been on Aro for over a year and it hasnt bored me at all. So dont ask me " well have you played on other servers ? "
because I have.
@ Bensei , Harkens a Guy :3
Also , harken isnt making it so his favorite classes cant be beat. I'm a sinx and I do get beat. And i have all the gears i meantioned above + more. and dont say I'm a crappy sinx because others have said I'm a great sinx , not the greatest on the server but okay. Even with my Ghostring Creators can still beat me. With my deviant + gr champs can still beat me. HW can beat me if i dont equip GTB or grab a water armor. LK's are beatable i've beaten them with My creator and my sinx and my champ.
I'm done wasting my time with this crap.
Quote from: Akina Rose on Aug 30, 2007, 01:21 PM
The people who badmouth are crap.
Mod, or maybe i didn t get it.
Second, can i have a pic of this sinX please :)
@bensei, Go try euph or even better Vicious RO then come back
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You still don't get it do you?
why should i play 3 servers? 2 already fill out the most of available time; also i thought aRO was corrupt, how comes the server you mentioned is the 3. corrupt server in a vote of the first page from the server discussions?
However, i dont get your point =/
This discussion is going nowhere. AnimaRO supporters keep trying to defend the fact that tons of players on a low rate has an army of MvP cards and SQI's, while AnimaRO haters say it's corrupt/donator based. If I don't see any new proof some time soon, I'm going to close this topic, and any new topics about the same matter, until there's some new proof from one side or the other.
Quote from: Slaw on Aug 31, 2007, 03:19 AM
This discussion is going nowhere. AnimaRO supporters keep trying to defend the fact that tons of players on a low rate has an army of MvP cards and SQI's, while AnimaRO haters say it's corrupt/donator based. If I don't see any new proof some time soon, I'm going to close this topic, and any new topics about the same matter, until there's some new proof from one side or the other.
That's uncalled for, this is just a discussion there are no hatters or lovers it s players talking with other players about servers.
@BENSEI go try vicious you won t come back :D
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And another one
Quote from: Akina Rose on Aug 30, 2007, 01:21 PM
Quote from: BRabbit on Jul 11, 2007, 06:53 AM
OK, let's see... AnimaRO donation rewards page...
MVP card and 10 OPBs for 27$...
Lord Kaho's Horns for 100$...
130$ to hide the fact that you wear Lord Kaho's horns...
Sleipnir for 30$...
1Conclusion: the server is crap. You can't play in it if you don't donate.
I have NEVER donated a cent to Aro and yet i have DL slieps,custom Kahos, 2 celebration rins and over 14 Mvps cards and recently sold a suiken in which i didnt even donate to make the zeny.
You have to find a way to get those gears without donating which is what I did. Farming vending former gears,Niff and theres a whole bunch of other ways !
The SQIs do get discussed by the Aro members like bensei said.
Some Aro members DO donate like crazy which is a waste in my opinion.
I'd rather get gears without donation =D
The server isnt CRAP its great , the greatest in my opinon . The people who badmouth are crap.
I've played on 3 other servers and Those quickly got me bored. I've been on Aro for over a year and it hasnt bored me at all. So dont ask me " well have you played on other servers ? "
because I have.
@ Bensei , Harkens a Guy :3
Also , harken isnt making it so his favorite classes cant be beat. I'm a sinx and I do get beat. And i have all the gears i meantioned above + more. and dont say I'm a crappy sinx because others have said I'm a great sinx , not the greatest on the server but okay. Even with my Ghostring Creators can still beat me. With my deviant + gr champs can still beat me. HW can beat me if i dont equip GTB or grab a water armor. LK's are beatable i've beaten them with My creator and my sinx and my champ.
I'm done wasting my time with this crap.
im sorry, but i just have to intervere. If you post things like this.... 2 things.
1 Just because you do have the gears and you didnt donate doesnt mean the server is great.
2 Talking things about do get beaten. thats the point of ro everyone should get pooned. Exp gtb makes wizzies and sages crap, which breaks the balance of pooning and getting and so on. so dont brag about all your eq and make a point.
Quote from: Slaw on Aug 31, 2007, 03:19 AM
This discussion is going nowhere. AnimaRO supporters keep trying to defend the fact that tons of players on a low rate has an army of MvP cards and SQI's, while AnimaRO haters say it's corrupt/donator based. If I don't see any new proof some time soon, I'm going to close this topic, and any new topics about the same matter, until there's some new proof from one side or the other.
I dont see a point in closing this thread, to be honest. Its nowhere near a flamewar, we are discussing in a polite way. i think a good forum -should- allow that.
Quote from: Toztie on Aug 31, 2007, 10:45 AM
im sorry, but i just have to intervere. If you post things like this.... 2 things.
1 Just because you do have the gears and you didnt donate doesnt mean the server is great.
2 Talking things about do get beaten. thats the point of ro everyone should get pooned. Exp gtb makes wizzies and sages crap, which breaks the balance of pooning and getting and so on. so dont brag about all your eq and make a point.
Gtb is indeed annoying for magic relying classes, but there are other builts than just Magic spamm builds. especially the Sqi for those classes open a completely new melee aspect to HW's/Scholars/Highpriest
I mean i see HWs killing gtb'd people, you guys seem to forget that if a person wears gtb, he cant wear toad or thara and takes more damage from melee/magic crasher that way.
However, lets make at least a point, i say animaro IS great because:
The high population; 1.5k people is just awesome, pvp is never death, and the economy works more than well.
Fair gms: Donaters get as hard punished as non donaters, no difference is made there.
Useful rules: Walk through prontera on animaro and prontera on an original ro server, youll know what i mean ;X
the availability of getting a few extra zeny via donating: People that want to spend their money for aRO, can do it, dont forget that there are people that need to work, and dont have time to farm for zeny 24/7.
The avialability of the mvps cards due to the donation system: You have the feeling of a low rate server but you can still get good equips by buying them rather cheap from other players.
Pretty interesting sqis: Althought some are indeed broken, the most add interesting aspects to the classes.
Awesome community: sure there are idiots too, but wich server doesnt have idiots? =X The aRO forums are so addicting ;<
Helpful gms: they try to work on your orders, and support tickets as fast as possible. it may take a few days from time to time, but thats not avoidable if you need to handle a few hundred support tickets per day.
Well cons (although i dont really see MAJOR cons):
Well maybe the problem that support tickets take a long from time to time =/ it would be nice if a few more gms would be hired.
Iuno, maybe that not all sqis arent fixed yet? @.@
However, i love animaro just because you feel like playing the original ro (not with any haxed out skills like on eatherna servers) as lowrate; while you still can get decent equips.
However, people that say aRO is corrupt, should actually lay down some facts; and not just saying that it is. we know what happend in the past, when some of the old GMs where still there, but people should get over it and give the new staff a try. maybe youll be suprised in a positive way?
Quote from: Transcend on Aug 30, 2007, 08:43 PM
Quote from: Akina Rose on Aug 30, 2007, 01:21 PM
The people who badmouth are crap.
Mod, or maybe i didn t get it.
Second, can i have a pic of this sinX please :)
@bensei, Go try euph or even better Vicious RO then come back
a pic of my sinx ? whats that going to Prove ? If you want to see my sinx or my bio or my champ or stalker , Get on Aro and i can kill you with it.
Once again, Transcend is doing the opposite of what I proposed. STOP TELLING HOW A SERVER IS SUPPOSED TO BE RAN AND CONTINUING YOUR ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE NO BASE AT ALL.
Well, I played on this server for almost a year and after the split I moved to talonRO for the known reasons.
I do think though that with the gameplay of this server is nothing wrong. Yes, US players have a huge advantage and donating can get you basically anything in a short time. Though, with a little bit of effort you can easily make enough zeny to get mvp gears. Before I switched servers I had several SQI's and a lot of mvp items without donating a penny or doing sponsor offers.
About the imbalance and the "this-is-not-how-RO-is-supposed-to-be" things caused by mvp cards...I don't really see what's wrong with it. As stated above, basically anyone can get these gears with a little effort. I don't see it as a bad thing that mvp cards are available. To me it doesn't give a -wrong- RO gameplay, but simply a -different- one. With all the mvp items and especially the sqi's, you simply have to adapt to those items and with that also comes a totally different kind of gameplay. You just have to use different tactics to beat players than you're used to in -normal- RO.
And who cares if this server makes a lot of money? They made a brilliant donation/sponsor system and apparently players are very willingly to donate to them. Like I said before, with a little effort non-donators can get anything too, so what's the big problem?
I do agree however that the way the server is run at the moment isn't too good and I'm especially pointing to the SQI changes. In talonRO all of the SQI's were changed in 1 update and they've been balanced out a lot. Why does it have to take like 2 months in animaRO to discuss ONE SQI and still make it so that it's terribly broken (Nibel, Artemis). I've followed some of these topics a lot and I noticed how the end result of these topics did not even end up being implemented in the final update of the item.
This way of managing the server is kind of what made me switch to talonRO, where I'm perfectly happy right now.
For those that keep saying "Try X server and then tell me how bad aRO is" Tell you what, try going outside and being productive with your life and see if arguing over what server is better is what you'll still want to do. I hate aRO. Truly. I think Harken is one of the worst people to ever hit the community. He's an elitist... I digress... aRO is run poorly. It is. Though that has nothing to do with the structure of the server, but the implementation (Through GM's).
Donation servers balance out the server. Gene is correct on that. 1 person with GTB who lucksacked it will trump any magic user. Oh, magic crasher dealing 150dmg because your int is so low? Yeah, that'll be the day. Same for dopples in a melee fight. Oh your measly 150aspd is going up against my 180? Who will win? It also then comes down to the strong get stronger. So the people who have a few mvp cards band together. They take a castle, and farm the drops + mvps in the castle. More mvps = more chances to drop = further unbalance. It may take time, but it happens. THERE IS NO BALANCE IN LUCK. There REALLY isn't. Balance in it's best form would be an almost even playing field, where people who strive to get rich/good/loot do a little better. That's aRO with a passion. If you start scratch, and KNOW HOW TO f*** PLAY, you'll level to 60 in a few hours, hit prisons, farm loot. End up with a million zeny at the end of the week tops.
People that complain that new people can't compete must expect a level 10 to topple a level 99. Is this theory based on that crappy anime of the same name? Must be. Power creep is bad, but in no way can anyone NOT amass a small fortune, and from there a large fortune, with patience and knowledge of how the game works. Ads really don't help unless you are one of those people that Netdeck a 99champ, SQI, full gear with $500 of his money (His choice, still), but then he will have no idea how to accurately play his class. That is why no matter how much you donate, Illisuun is one of the best champs on aRO. He understands the formulas, armor/weapon swaps, and fundamentally when to do what. You can't BUY that outright. Though, I'll teach you for $20/hr.
If you want to say anything about aRO, it's the lack of GM authority early on. It ruined it from the beginning. The server started out as nothing but an elite botter guild proving what they could do. It went from there to the GM's using +3 awards. Given for botting. (Ask Harken about that one.) to further extend their power of the now influx of new players. Hacked gear for people. 2slotted megs anyone? Who here would like an IC asura with 1 dex? Yet, it was the GM's that did this. So who'll get punished for corrupt GM's? No one. Then, we had GM guilds bot farm the woe castles with said corrupted gear (remember the whole power creep, this kicks in) and use the gear harvested from castles that NO ONE could compete with, and +10 everything. Further increasing the gap. So a bunch of people threatened to leave and not donate, amazing, it stopped and a scapegoat was fired/quit/banned. (NOT the only one responsible.) Let's skip to the introduction of ADS and the SQI. Yuki ad frauded SO MUCH. The GM's knew about it. Hell, I'd post a log (though people would just "NOT REAL" and ignore, so who cares to) of Harken admitting that if the Ad company doesn't ask for it back, it's not fraud. So be slick about it. That's all. So stuff floods the server. Yuki hands Seigi a diamond plate encrusted guild. He gets 'banned' (Sure.) But all of the stuff he bought to the server still remained. Bad, bad, bad. Though in theory it makes it cheaper for you people complaining about MVP gears to amass. The real good stuff won't be sold. Like illegit +10 S.Sleips by your friendly GM. (On a 'legit' non-gm char, no doubt.) Okay, now we start seeing people who fraud purposely, knowing as long as it's on the sly, they'll be safe. People bot because who cares? And it amasses to where people can legit (if you call frauding and botting legit) +10 gear. HOORAY for power creep so amazingly quick. Then we come to the... worst part? Well, next to worst part. The introduction of the SG heat glitch. Where you can solo Valk in minutes without ever worrying. For... months? People farmed Valk like clockwork and started getting so many Valk armors (undonateble due to imbalance) people get +7's? 8's? We got any 10's running around besides GM chars? Months go by, no nerf, no change. Sure the glitch can't be fixed, but months of every 2 hours, pop? Real smooth on the creep. NOW, the worst part. Talon's split with aRO. Jesus christ, was that not the worst thing to ever happen. To BOTH servers. In a massive jump on a lucrative chance, people who were pro-tRO would trade their aRO gear to people pro-aRO, effectively doubling both peoples SQI. People who had numerous SQI gear to begin with DOUBLED everything. That truly pushed some gear into undeserving hands. This has nothing to do with donations, but lack of a GM team who cared on aRO. Though, most of the people who have this 'broken' gear, truly suck at the game. No seriously, horrible. It almost evens the playing field.
To be honest, it's the donations that help to keep aRO afloat in a sea of disgustingly illegit gear.
P.S. And I've played on a few servers. It's all the same. EuphRO was corrupt, too. Don't mention Euph as a 'Look at what a server who runs optimally can do. Why did it close down, again?
People need to stop thinking about the old Euph. Look at it in it's current state instead.
I just woke up, so im rather tired atm, tho ill just try to say a bit about certain points.
Indeed its not ok that the sg glitch got abused like that, but as you said, you can not fix it. you oculd have removed valk but what would you do with the drops? removing valk gears as well? =/
Well, at least the skeggiold spawn has been removed now, so that "hyper speed lvling" is basically disabled now.
In one point i have to agree tho, the sqis, i find some of those horribly broke, and totally unbalanced, but how to balance a game, that is horribly unbalanced to begin with? at least harken takes the time now and listens to player inputs, and no, not every sqi takes 2 month, we currently are discussing sqi in a 2 week speed.
and yes.. the server split... some people got stupid rich that day. but again i wont blame aro for it, since interserver trader got banned on the spot. (its even included in the rules i think). But yes, communication is doable everywhere, so people went to tro (who obviously didnt care about such trades) and did their buisness there.
/heh... your so right with that "learn to play your class" thing. people can be outgeared as hell, but are still beatable because they dont know anything except how to asura, or acid demonstrate.
Quote from: Orguss on Sep 22, 2007, 08:52 PM
Then we come to the... worst part? Well, next to worst part. The introduction of the SG heat glitch. Where you can solo Valk in minutes without ever worrying. For... months? People farmed Valk like clockwork and started getting so many Valk armors (undonateble due to imbalance) people get +7's? 8's? We got any 10's running around besides GM chars? Months go by, no nerf, no change. Sure the glitch can't be fixed, but months of every 2 hours, pop? Real smooth on the creep.
What I totally do not understand is how can this bug be KNOWN for MONTHS and it was NEVER reported in the eAthena forums? I fixed this in 2 minutes after Playtester told me of the bug.
He did say "players of course never reveal a bug when they can take advantage of it". I wonder, if there's people that KNEW about this bug and didn't like the unbalance it caused, why they never actually reported it where it was supposed to be fixed (the eAthena boards)?
Quote from: Skotlex on Sep 23, 2007, 04:47 AM
Quote from: Orguss on Sep 22, 2007, 08:52 PM
Then we come to the... worst part? Well, next to worst part. The introduction of the SG heat glitch. Where you can solo Valk in minutes without ever worrying. For... months? People farmed Valk like clockwork and started getting so many Valk armors (undonateble due to imbalance) people get +7's? 8's? We got any 10's running around besides GM chars? Months go by, no nerf, no change. Sure the glitch can't be fixed, but months of every 2 hours, pop? Real smooth on the creep.
What I totally do not understand is how can this bug be KNOWN for MONTHS and it was NEVER reported in the eAthena forums? I fixed this in 2 minutes after Playtester told me of the bug.
He did say "players of course never reveal a bug when they can take advantage of it". I wonder, if there's people that KNEW about this bug and didn't like the unbalance it caused, why they never actually reported it where it was supposed to be fixed (the eAthena boards)?
If you didnt know, ARo is an aegis server, so the bug could only be fixed by getting a new server episode wich has the bug fixed i think.
that bug is pretty old W_w any zone over the zone where ODIN WAS RELEASED should have the fix wich was released MONTHS AGO ...
Then again as we all know the Aegis community unlike eA's does NOT release it's packages easily :( !
so you gotta be able to do some jobs what was this SG heat bug like?
Ah... how strange then that both Aegis and eAthena had the same bug o_o; Of course, if I remember correctly, the kRO magazine (published by Gravity) even described that bug as a feature of the skill.... <_<; so Windows-like.
Quote from: Skotlex on Sep 23, 2007, 01:55 PM
the kRO magazine (published by Gravity) even described that bug as a feature of the skill.... <_<; so Windows-like.
Lol ! We didn't shoot him to kill him,he was suposed to die :x
QuoteTopic: AnimaRO - Great server or GREATEST server?
This is what happens when a /b/tard plays aRO , the second some aro hater/lover sees this troll thread the posting/flaming beings and blah blah blah s***.
what I find funny/sad on aro is the whole valk situation
Quote from: Orguss on Sep 22, 2007, 08:52 PM
Then we come to the... worst part? Well, next to worst part. The introduction of the SG heat glitch. Where you can solo Valk in minutes without ever worrying. For... months? People farmed Valk like clockwork and started getting so many Valk armors (undonateble due to imbalance) people get +7's? 8's? We got any 10's running around besides GM chars? Months go by, no nerf, no change. Sure the glitch can't be fixed, but months of every 2 hours, pop? Real smooth on the creep.
What i've 'heard' is that the person who ''discovered'' it, researched it and then tested it out on aro. Eventually they did it on Valk. 1st time with Gene present and then 2nd time with Harken there.
Now what I want to know is.
Why wasn't it put to a stop to right there?
Nerf the Valk drops? Remove all that sp return mod on the drac card? Mess with the Valks Element/Stats?
All very reasonable ideas.
Yet for some reason..they allowed it to continue? Obviously they knew what would happen. Let's not forget at the time the person who first killed valk with the SG glitch was IN Gene and Harkens guild. Eventually (like orguss said) people started killing her around the clock for months and months and months who were in that said guild. They wanted all the valk crap for themselves to boost their little guild. They even tried to keep within their guild and sell it to each other etc. So no wonder there wasn't any 'GM action', the gameplay GMs guild was getting a nice little boost so eventually they dont stomped on by everyone else in woe.
There's valk armors / mants selling a lot and you see it all the time in pvp and it's getting just stupid now.
Quote from: tco03 on Sep 23, 2007, 08:54 PM
QuoteTopic: AnimaRO - Great server or GREATEST server?
This is what happens when a /b/tard plays aRO , the second some aro hater/lover sees this troll thread the posting/flaming beings and blah blah blah s***.
what I find funny/sad on aro is the whole valk situation
Quote from: Orguss on Sep 22, 2007, 08:52 PM
Then we come to the... worst part? Well, next to worst part. The introduction of the SG heat glitch. Where you can solo Valk in minutes without ever worrying. For... months? People farmed Valk like clockwork and started getting so many Valk armors (undonateble due to imbalance) people get +7's? 8's? We got any 10's running around besides GM chars? Months go by, no nerf, no change. Sure the glitch can't be fixed, but months of every 2 hours, pop? Real smooth on the creep.
What i've 'heard' is that the person who ''discovered'' it, researched it and then tested it out on aro. Eventually they did it on Valk. 1st time with Gene present and then 2nd time with Harken there.
Now what I want to know is.
Why wasn't it put to a stop to right there?
Nerf the Valk drops? Remove all that sp return mod on the drac card? Mess with the Valks Element/Stats?
All very reasonable ideas.
Yet for some reason..they allowed it to continue? Obviously they knew what would happen. Let's not forget at the time the person who first killed valk with the SG glitch was IN Gene and Harkens guild. Eventually (like orguss said) people started killing her around the clock for months and months and months who were in that said guild. They wanted all the valk crap for themselves to boost their little guild. They even tried to keep within their guild and sell it to each other etc. So no wonder there wasn't any 'GM action', the gameplay GMs guild was getting a nice little boost so eventually they dont stomped on by everyone else in woe.
There's valk armors / mants selling a lot and you see it all the time in pvp and it's getting just stupid now.
I find it actually stupid to assume, harken would abuse glitches in his guild to get his freinds advantages, when he could simply spawn godly items for his friends, if he wanted to. it makes no sense at all. Tho i didnt even know if harken ever actively played, and last time i checked, gene wasnt a gm, but a forum mod.
Also, how does valk gear actually imbalance a server that has every mvp card available? Valk gears are pretty much the biggest nerf for creators wich are really strong on aRO. Its not like "omg those valk gears compleeeeeeetly imbalance the serverrrr"
Also its not like every idiot with a SG could kill valk, you need a lot pretty expesnive gears to do so.
Anyway, if you didnt get it yet, he was beeing sarcastic with the thread title, to catch attention for this thread in wich he points out a few misunderstandings. Its not your right to insult him, there are people that care for their server, your server should be happy if it has such people.
You don't have to donate to be good >_> In fact if you do donate it's quite easy to find out
since you will have super gear out of nowhere, and then you will be looked down on by the entire community.
I really don't see what's so broken about it the fact that MvP cards are around, since a good 80% of the server has
them >_> And the other 20% play it to socialize so they don't need it.
But yea, Harken is a d***, but he's not all bad. And about the whole valk thing, Aegis is very diffrent from eAthena
and it's alot harder to fix things like that. But a server is broken when everyone has mvp gear and actually has to gear
change and use stradegies to win, but when it has stats that go into the 200's and people just spamming moves, its ok?
I'm not defending aRO, as I hate the place, but my friends are there and the drama keeps me entertained so I stay.(Not to mention it has the best WoE on any server I have ever played)
I'm just saying the reason most of you hate it is pretty moot ;/
Eh, I have nothing else to do, and I am bored to bits.
But anyways, here is what I think of this one particular server:
1. Quests are broken with missing NPCs, making it more grinding and PvP/WoE/MvP/PvM oriented.
2. Economy is too nice. Prices of good cards are relatively cheap due to the large availability of them.
3. Classes are quite imbalanced, probably because of the imbalance in the gears spectrum. But it takes a skilled person to play a class that are deemed awkward in terms of balance, and every class has their own strength and weaknesses, no?
4. Players are mostly lacking in knowledge and basic fundamentals of the game(+ most of them are pansy bags). Scholars get the function of field enchants wrong. IC Wizards train in the wrongest of maps. Priests say that they can't train without IC(There is a case where a High Priest asked me how I did I train without so called 'gears'. I just told her that I am wearing mine. She said: But you have no IC. ._.). Alchemists ask how to make homunculi. Among others more that I could name, but it'll make this section bloat.
5. Players do not have knowledge of areas too well enough, and they do not make their own researches before asking others(so in case 4.). By the way, can anyone tell me the directions to what I believe is the Heart of Ymir? I found it once in the Castle, but I did not take note of the paths I took. And there seems to be insufficient information about the place.
6. The GMs have ample and satisfactory response time. Considering that they do have their personal lives to deal with, and they have no obligation to duty, unless be paid.
7. Donation system is tolerable. Without it, the server could wither. I think it is the life force that runs it to have GMs that are motivated to do their services. It may bring some imbalance to the server, but it does the job of keeping a GM up and going.
8. Players are uncreative and lacks innovative thinking in gameplay. Most of them tend to go by the book, play with same or similar styles, and will give textbook answers(something that I am sometimes guilty with) to many a question. Refreshing ideas come too far and between. It makes the game look bland and grey, albeit it being a colourfully vibrant game.
9. Clan-like communities, and hierarchial set of order. Quite evident between guilds and their wars, be it word or digital weaponry. Among other examples that need not be said as well are to be considered in one's own mind.
10. The availability of the server is excellent by my standards... at the moment.
11. The community there are generally friendly, with just a few cases of upstarts that I have encountered. I was isolated from the community and an absolute loner when I started, but my social situation is improving(although it is stagnating). /heh
I am still playing because among all the thorns in the bush, there are also roses that are sweet. I have many encounters where there is some pretty unique and nice people to find in the server, and I kept striving to find them. Sadly though, upon discovering them, they often quickly vanish...
Just my thoughts. ._.
And yes, taste my block of text.
I would have to disagree with points 4,5, and 8 Pasis.
Please do not take this offensively but I think it is just the people who we hang around with.
And about point 9, by clan like communities you mean groups of friends and guilds? /swt
Ever the forumer-cum-spammer, Roronoa? /heh
All statement and zero elaboration.
But even so with that one-liner of yours, I will think out a few assumptions on the idea one is trying to convey and put out a reply.
Not everything has a social factor, in my opinion. Players may lack knowledge or have a stagnant flow of game knowledge due to influence of peers and colleagues in your perspective and I will not disagree, but I believe that can also be caused by the time constraints, the motivation factor, and such. However, I do not remember talking about factors in point 4. Seemingly, it looks like you are disagreeing with the factors(which I have not stated) rather than the point itself(You seem to talk about the factors, but at the same time you did not disagree about the point being an actual phenomenon). /swt
Perhaps, I believe, one is trying to put up a defence for the low knowledge base comment that I posted up rather than disagreeing with the phenomenon altogether. But how am I to know immediately? You posted three lines for me to magically intepret.
Point 5 is somewhat a mistake on my part. I have not stated that a number of them simply asked without their researches, rather, I said everyone did it(somewhat stereotypical thought process that I am wired with - trying to remove). But I cannot really say that they do not do their researches. Some of them did try, but do not know how and where to look at times.
Point 8. Yes, peer to peer knowledge has the distinct influence in a person's thought patterns. I will agree with that. But this is not the point I am trying to convey. Perhaps I have not elaborated enough on this so that people can understand and look at it through my view(This is dissimilar to changing your view, which is not what I am asking you to do. You are free to disagree, but my main point of posting my opnions, forums or otherwise, is to let others see what I think, rather than putting them down by forcing my own's opinion). Creativity and the audacity to try new styles, even if it may fail, is a trait I see that the server is lacking. Everyone wants to be powerful, and cool, and leet, so they go by the recommendations set. A very discreet few of the thousands will try to make new ideas through the old ones, some come with completely new ones. But this is dire for not many is willing enough to make sacrifices in order to learn and make something new. This server has the tools conveniently placed, but not many wanna do it. It sorts of put me off.
Point 9... yes, guilds and friends. It seems that most of the community is grouped by some order of similarity. Not to say that this is bad, it is good by all means, for it brings people of similarity closer. However, it can get nasty when it gets too close. Guildies will try to defend other guildies, even if that guildie is dead wrong. Then they will say its the spirit of chivalry and friendship. I call it a state of denial. Many tend to state one side of the story, all in keeping namesake. ganging is sometimes due to a guildie being ganged, and the guild simply defends(by ganging or whatever angst does to us teenagers to drive us to whatever means) without questioning the reason first.
But what is a server without its flaws? I simply love turbulance. It makes a place more memorable. Sweet memories are mostly is to be stuck onto photo albums and postcards, but rising above a turbulent period makes it stay within mind for a long time.
Ruru, i feel like your following me, first sbro forums, now here... *looks under the bed* =<
Well, as a discussion on aRO, I enjoyed my time there. I was fairly successful in making a char I liked, with decent gear. By decent, I do mean Godly gear on any other server. But I digress about that.
I still have friends who frequent the aRO community, though I personally don't due to a disagreement some of the GMs had with me. The true point of the matter is that there were a lot of wrong things happening. I don't know if they still do, but I do know that since I don't play RO at all anymore, my life is more fulfilling and fun. In fact, I've moved on to Lineage, which I find most satisfying, dispite the lack of customization in character development.
I guess the whole aRO thing is funny to me, as I know a lot of the GM staff, and can vouch that many of them are quite trustworthy (at least, they were last I was there), and Harken is the only questionable member left. But again, that's not really my business, is it? Most people who knew me on aRO knew me as a friendly person who gave to the community freely. I started there with nothing, no knowledge about the game, and it took me over a month to reach second class on my first character. The community though, was always friendly, and I made friends throughout who leveled with me and made the game enjoyable. Thanks very much to you, if you're reading this. I started playing at a very tough time in my life, and the pseudo friendship I established through the game helped me cope with my life problems... Back on topic.
This server has a lot of issues, but then, which doesn't? They are all tailor made to the owner's ideal of what a perfect server is supposed to be.My idea of a perfect server will indubitably be different from Orguss or DeePee, or anyone else for that matter. I personally kind of liked the ready availability of elite gears, as it was good for ego stroking in some of the less skilled players. So I guess this server is still pretty good despite it's obvious (and generally universally accepted) flaws. That's about all I have to say about it...
I'only play aRO. Not other may be tRO (the slit) for shortime. Do i consider playing others xRO? Not now and may be not.
Firstly, my experience after playing RPG for more then 20s years. Gaming is very individual experience different people have different style of playing, what he/she like or dislike. Conclusion : Greatest server for me don't mean greatest for you and i cant force you to agree and i will not. Dont waste time. Therefore the discussion should be touch and go. Highlight your point and go...
My view on why aRO is greatest are:
- Great number of user that indirectly created a big economic, able to similate reallife experience allows more options to play (different role). Not everyone like to P2P, Not every on like to be flighter, Some just like zeny and opportunies to make zeny. I try to expose every possibilities.
* Woe fun- i really like this. Able to participate and trying to owe a castle with more then 100s player in a Castle flighting is just incredible experience.
* Able to set a long term goal and continue to play for next 1-2 year. It's part on my life and i enjoy every moment I playing. My objective is very simple: create a trans class for all the job and owns SQI for each on my class through my owns work.. (estimated i still need about 1 year to achieve my target)
* Able Exposure various options available with reasonable effects (knowledge) - class, artifect (MVP Cards, Weap,...) and etc. Donation help here because without donation - i need to kept kill MVP to get MVP cards and i'm not sure how long it will take. I spent 1 more then 1mths killing more then 300 Amon RA without getting a cards... I can't keep doing it ... Better spent time elseway... I will never donate to get the items as i farm zeny for i exchange for Ads. But I will donate if GM need my help to continue to support the game or event make the game better....
Yes, that will not mean aRO will be greatest. But that is not important for me, as long as i'm in the game, i become part of the game, (World will not change the world because of me, I need to stay in the environment) and i exposure every opportunies and enjoy fun of the game. Others is just environment factors that add some spike to my gaming experience but it make game more interesting. Donation, SQI Change, New Feature, Corruption, MVP are all part of the game and i accepted it, more variable more fun. Only thing that i worry is, i can't continue with my life .. that happen during the server split incident create by Talon that really make me wanted to leave.. Luckly it's over now.
Passis - my opinion
- Point 2 - Nice part is, economic is not determine by you and me or GM, it's determine by demand and supplier that is the dynamic part. Every time GM make some changes to something. Economic will go through some tabulance and stable down change happen then. This is a continuous cycle. Eg, Server Split, Implementation of Cards Unslot features all trigger big change to economic affecting price for MVP Gears, as a good merchant, you need to know that, foreseen that to do next, do you take is opportunity to gain with what level of risk you can accepts? it's all about observation of economic simulate the lifeworld in the smaller scalel. That why i'm still playing after 9mths. I really hope that aRO can growth beyoud 3k player like it do before the split.....
- Point 3 - Balance or Inbalance is happening everyways in this game/world. Like what you said good, player will take it as challange on how to handle it? It make you think more & learn more. Sometime it's a teory n sometime it's pratice. This is a plus for me....
- Point 4,5 and 8. Human are all same whether they play in aRO or other server. They behavior will be same....
But this doesn't mean RO is perfect
- Party or team work. Only see it in WoE and smaller group activities. Partly because of the availbility of MVP Gears that make soloing MVP must more easy... GM may need to see how to encourage the Party - Share exp on MVP, or create more MVP that can only possible to be kill by parties... for MMORG - communities is biggest issue that GM need to manage and built.
Quote from: dputra705 on Sep 25, 2007, 02:30 AM
Pasis - my opinion
- Point 2 - Nice part is, economic is not determine by you and me or GM, it's determine by demand and supplier that is the dynamic part. Every time GM make some changes to something. Economic will go through some tabulance and stable down change happen then. This is a continuous cycle. Eg, Server Split, Implementation of Cards Unslot features all trigger big change to economic affecting price for MVP Gears, as a good merchant, you need to know that, foreseen that to do next, do you take is opportunity to gain with what level of risk you can accepts? it's all about observation of economic simulate the lifeworld in the smaller scalel. That why i'm still playing after 9mths. I really hope that aRO can growth beyoud 3k player like it do before the split.....
- Point 3 - Balance or Inbalance is happening everyways in this game/world. Like what you said good, player will take it as challange on how to handle it? It make you think more & learn more. Sometime it's a teory n sometime it's pratice. This is a plus for me....
- Point 4,5 and 8. Human are all same whether they play in aRO or other server. They behavior will be same....
But this doesn't mean RO is perfect
- Party or team work. Only see it in WoE and smaller group activities. Partly because of the availbility of MVP Gears that make soloing MVP must more easy... GM may need to see how to encourage the Party - Share exp on MVP, or create more MVP that can only possible to be kill by parties... for MMORG - communities is biggest issue that GM need to manage and built.
Point 2: The point in this particular statement has nothing to do with the supply and demand principle. What I am talking about, is the
relatively(that means
compared to other server pricing) lower priced items due to the
large availability of them. I have stated myself clean and clear, and I hope you have an idea of what I am talking about.
Point 3: Yes, I am well aware of imbalance in all sorts of games and such. No game is perfect for everyone at all situation. That would be too ideal, no? But I have a feeling that you have yet to comprehend my statements. My main line is that
the gear spectrum is a bit off-balance that I feel is the cause of the greater imbalance.
Point 4,5, and 8: I cannot stress this enough. In my opinion, the server population, in
general lacks surface game knowledge in an
average value. There are many other servers that have population that are more well informed and better geared in terms of knowledge, ideas and innovation as well are much more independent than their aRO counterparts. I did not, and never did say anything about human nature. I am well aware of this as well(Your statement on human nature). It's just that one did not read my post clearly enough(Don't worry, there are many unable to understand my writing style as well...). /heh
Oop. Sorry, i obviously didn't read line by line of your observation. It's good observation and mostly true. I just try to put my opinion on top in most case.
Classes are inbalance - Agreed and Disagree. But i general i do think so...
Clause by "The gear spectrum is a bit off-balance" - Share why do you think is the off-balance here, introduction of MVP Gear or the SQI or ... If MVP Gears is the problem (i presume) i do think otherwise because it provide more options and try to bring every job into same par so that gaps is smaller. If SQI, i don't see a lot of different from others server... It may be fact..
- Also, there is a big gaps within New and Experiences Player. But as for new player (that will continue play the game). via research, it can easily close the GAPS within months.
On knowledge wise,yes you are right. It may be because how it attract new player. Small server is normally a close group communities that everyone know each others or by invitation mean they are experience RO player. Knowledge level will be higher.
But server like aRO, there is a lot of new player come and go (may be because of bigger publicity), try theirs luck to see they like and dislike, theirs experience will be limited as a lot of then are first time player. (i talk to some of them) those player wondering arround aRO world a lot of them is new to RO... Including of me when i started 9 mths ago....
Quote from: dputra705 on Sep 25, 2007, 06:03 AM
Oop. Sorry, i obviously didn't read line by line of your observation. It's good observation and mostly true. I just try to put my opinion on top in most case.
Classes are inbalance - Agreed and Disagree. But i general i do think so...
Clause by "The gear spectrum is a bit off-balance" - Share why do you think is the off-balance here, introduction of MVP Gear or the SQI or ... If MVP Gears is the problem (i presume) i do think otherwise because it provide more options and try to bring every job into same par so that gaps is smaller. If SQI, i don't see a lot of different from others server... It may be fact..
- Also, there is a big gaps within New and Experiences Player. But as for new player (that will continue play the game). via research, it can easily close the GAPS within months.
On knowledge wise,yes you are right. It may be because how it attract new player. Small server is normally a close group communities that everyone know each others or by invitation mean they are experience RO player. Knowledge level will be higher.
But server like aRO, there is a lot of new player come and go (may be because of bigger publicity), try theirs luck to see they like and dislike, theirs experience will be limited as a lot of then are first time player. (i talk to some of them) those player wondering arround aRO world a lot of them is new to RO... Including of me when i started 9 mths ago....
You are beginning to get close to seeing what I see.
However, my range in this gear spectrum is not only limited to mere existance MvP Cards and SQIs, but also the growing number of it, and the number of people who own them. In other terms, several cards and items that are modified are somewhat very good for a low rate server. And the high distribution rate and the gap between owners and non-owners of such is wide(therefore the existance of elitists). This is what I believe is one of the causes for the imbalance within the server.
This is also my first time server. But I wasn't like the one to talk to anyone or ask any questions, and I took my time and effort to do my own research and thinking. If any new ideas or knowledge that I have learnt come to me, I will do my best to integrate it in my playing style. I appreciate the efforts of my friends, who had been in harder servers, so I am more keen in keeping to their standards of play(although I will never measure up to them...).
My experience in there was very limited from where I started. I have learnt mostly forum mastery for 8 months or so, and I stopped learning much on the game when I am about 5 months in the server. The occasional exploration and geography learning is refreshing, though. 1 year and two months, and I'm still not complete in terms of game knowledge. Constantly learning, I guess.
Yes, because I love spamming with my what, 5 post count?!, OMGZ! ::)
I'm trying to keep this civil and I didn't appreciate that forum cum spammer comment at all.
To elaborate on my ideas, since you didn't get what I was saying before.
You do not fight with/around top tier people, so I can understand why you think the quality of
game knowledge is so low. You would actually be surprised at how much the level of skill on anima is compared
to other servers. But even if a player is constricted by time and how much motivation they have for something, they
would still be able to at least do research on thier class or an obstacle they are facing. It's common sense to think people would want to be good at what they are doing.
I agree with you that the classes are imbalanced, as creators and champs pretty much dominate
others, but it's not impossible to beat them, it just takes the right knowledge and the right build. You'd be surprised
what you can do without mvp weapons, as they are only really useful for burst classes and dps classes. I'm saying
keep an open mind and look around more and see all levels of gameplay before judging it.
What is this? You are getting the point of my post all wrong. ._.
But anyways...
Yes, I do not fight in PvP and such(Does one actually think that I have to be in the fray to know? Please do not underestimate the power of observation). But I do acknowledge the amount of knowledge that PvPers(I have read posts by many avid PvPers, and most of their theories are applicable in logic) have, knowledge-wise, in terms of battle know-how. Ask them anything else, and one can find some lacking aspects. This is what I think that many of the players are somewhat a bit short of, rather than just PvP and battle knowledge. Some players did not seem to know much or even explore the geography of the game itself, a tell tale sign that grinding for the purpose of PvP being the one of the main factors of playing this game, besides MvP hunting and such. Which sort of brings to the point of the lack of quests... but that's already branching out.
You have yet to comprehend my post. Read and study them closer again or the next time. One talks about me having an open mind so I can see it through your perspective, but you are not doing any effort to see this idea that I am trying to convey. In fact, you kept getting my post objectives misintepreted time and time again. ._.
And it's forumer-cum-spammer. Note that the 'cum' is a sort of injunction, not that kind of 'cum'. It's like forumer ala spammer... only a different variant. I'm the suggestive type, not a direct person who would use a straight out word like 'cum'. Even so, I did not even have the initial intention to call you that(forum cum spammer - how far can a corruption of a perfectly sound phrase happen... /swt) in the first place. Trying to keep civil, but it is your reading skills that got yourself into a misunderstanding. ._.
What do I have against you to come up with such a phrase, anyway? Surely you would know that I would not call names(except for that time I was playing around with Sunduvan) even if I have something against another.
Footnote: Says the guy who have thousands of posts on the other side... =_=
There's no point in posting if you are just going to keep attacking me slightly in each of your post, I don't even care about this discussion anymore. My perspective on you has definately changed though Pasis.
Quote from: Ruru on Sep 26, 2007, 07:10 AMI agree with you that the classes are imbalanced, as creators and champs pretty much dominate
others
Not really, I play in a balanced low rate non-spoiled (no cheap stuff, mvp cards for every1 and cheap npcs etc.) and I have champs & creators for dinner.
Quote from: Ruru on Sep 26, 2007, 07:58 PM
There's no point in posting if you are just going to keep attacking me slightly in each of your post, I don't even care about this discussion anymore. My perspective on you has definately changed though Pasis.
Well, I cannot just sit here and let one take pot shots at me, no?
Besides, you called this upon yourself by not taking the initiative to read and understand my posts before making a reply. You simply disagreed without taking in thought of what I truly meant in my posts, you didn't elaborate your statements, and when you did, you showed lackadaisical aspects in terms of comprehensive reading. When I compliment whatever is within your posts that I felt is missing, or gave you on a suggestion on how to understand my posts better, and you call it a 'slight attack.' I had to put on a counter-stance when my posts are wrongly intepreted.
If one doesn't really care, then why reply to my post? You didn't seem to care earlier to make an effort to take note of my post for closer observation, and you certainly did not care now.
Trying to act like the bigger man - by leaving a mess you had made upon yourself.
I believe you are one that does not like to be told off. And one seems to be the type that does not like to look to be in a disadvantage. But please, take the initiative to foresee your own actions before simply jumping in.
I will still keep a neutral value opinion on you, as always.
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 26, 2007, 10:55 PM
Quote from: Ruru on Sep 26, 2007, 07:10 AMI agree with you that the classes are imbalanced, as creators and champs pretty much dominate
others
Not really, I play in a balanced low rate non-spoiled (no cheap stuff, mvp cards for every1 and cheap npcs etc.) and I have champs & creators for dinner.
Eh, a more balanced server? Well, that is somewhat nice to hear.
But I think I cannot ask you for the name of this particular server in such a thread here. ._.
there are many /swt
Quote from: Transcend on Sep 27, 2007, 04:21 AM
there are many /swt
I've yet to see many Aegis ones. ._.
The ones that I mostly encountered are non-Aegis ones. /swt
I do know there are many good low rate servers, but I have not seen many of the Aegis programming.
Ragnarok IS imbalanced, as a job based game always is. One class is always better than another in some things. That IS imbalance. If not every char can reach the same dmg output in pvp, it IS imbalance. If not everyone can kill mobbs as easily as other classes, it IS imbalance. I could go on with that but i think you get the idea.
However, dont blame aro for "imbalancing the game~" when its not even in the slightest bit balanced to begin with. I dont know wich classes dominate pvp on servers with lesser mvp cards, but im pretty sure certain classes ARE better than others. My assumption would be lord knights, or sinx's for less mvp carded servers.
what aro is actually doing is trying to balance the game. I mean, on a server without sqi or mvp gears that are "easily" obtainable, are priest able to win many matchups in pvp? could a priest honestly kill.. uhm... a lord knight? Thats just an extreme example between classes, but my point is that the availability of mvp gears does balance the server, so that the skill lvl you need to survive in pvp is higher than on other servers.
on a server with less mvp gears, one dude has the luck to... uhm.. find a Golden thiefbug card, and dominate the whole wizard(etc) battles from that time. thats what you call balance? having luck to maybe eventually find a mvp card? Having one person that had the luck who dominates pvp? Sorry but that arguement just doesnt go, It would actually help if you explained what you mean, instead of saying "it is imbalanced on aro"
Another point on many eartherna servers are the max lvls, max lvl 250, big lol @ that, being able to reach status immunity without any problems, and without sacrifying any dmg, yea, thats real balance.
Or better, haxed skills, like increasing the sight range, yea that balances the sin/rogue-wizard/sage relation a lot.
Another server i know canceld the after cast delay of tarot card of fate, wich is even better, i'd love to be able to spamm ToF without a bragi on my server, but does it balance anythin in the slightes bit?...
So, to make it short a server that hasnt mvp gears available to everyone is NOT balanced, because the pure luck will decide who dominates pvp and woe.
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 26, 2007, 10:55 PM
Not really, I play in a balanced low rate non-spoiled (no cheap stuff, mvp cards for every1 and cheap npcs etc.) and I have champs & creators for dinner.
so, why not pointing out why and how a server with mvp gears wich are only available to lucky persons is balanced?
Quote from: bensei
Ragnarok IS imbalanced, as a job based game always is. One class is always better than another in some things. That IS imbalance. If not every char can reach the same dmg output in pvp, it IS imbalance. If not everyone can kill mobbs as easily as other classes, it IS imbalance. I could go on with that but i think you get the idea.
However, dont blame aro for "imbalancing the game~" when its not even in the slightest bit balanced to begin with. I dont know wich classes dominate pvp on servers with lesser mvp cards, but im pretty sure certain classes ARE better than others. My assumption would be lord knights, or sinx's for less mvp carded servers.
I have to disagree with you on this one. Actually, I find your statement pretty damn stupid. And no, I don't feel that calling you stupid for saying something like that is an understatement at all. So live with it.
Ragnarok Online is easily THE most balanced MMORPG I've played. I haven't tried every MMO there is, so there could be some more balanced ones out there, but seriously, in RO, ANY class can become godlike. OBVIOUSLY, a High Priest will never reach the same damage output as an Assassin Cross. HOWEVER, they'll have way better mDef, a cranial buckler, and generally alot more survivability. Lord Knights are good. I'll give you that much. I'd even say they can beat most classes in a 1v1 situation. HOWEVER, they can, just as all other classes, be countered (Pneuma, Dispell, Aspersio, Stone Curse/Frost Diver). IMO RO is like a more complicated rock-paper-scissors game, with every class being able to counter another. Basically, ranged chars > melee DPS > spellcasters > tanks > melee stealth > ranged chars. Feel free to try and prove me wrong, but don't use your twisted Anima logics. Base your ideas on a server with non-retarded gears. Thank you.
Quote from: bensei
what aro is actually doing is trying to balance the game. I mean, on a server without sqi or mvp gears that are "easily" obtainable, are priest able to win many matchups in pvp? could a priest honestly kill.. uhm... a lord knight? Thats just an extreme example between classes, but my point is that the availability of mvp gears does balance the server, so that the skill lvl you need to survive in pvp is higher than on other servers.
on a server with less mvp gears, one dude has the luck to... uhm.. find a Golden thiefbug card, and dominate the whole wizard(etc) battles from that time. thats what you call balance? having luck to maybe eventually find a mvp card? Having one person that had the luck who dominates pvp? Sorry but that arguement just doesnt go, It would actually help if you explained what you mean, instead of saying "it is imbalanced on aro"
Maybe Anima is trying to balance the game. I wouldn't know. I don't play there, nor will I ever do so, mainly because I despise the idea of basing a character build on donation items and customs. But if that's actually the case, they're failing horribly. PRIESTS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO KILL LORD KNIGHTS. THEY ARE A SUPPORT CLASS. You do NOT make a Priest to solo players in PvP/WoE. Unless you're a retarded 9-year-old.
On a server with less MVP gears, one guy could find a Golden Thiefbug Card, yes. He would be the bane of most spellcasters, yes. He'd also get raped as soon as he sets his foot in a castle during WoE, due to people not wanting him to run through their precasts. He'd be force-fired by most non-spellcasters. MVP cards are overrated. The only time they become good is when there's tons of them around. When you can count on a guild having 4-5 GTB cards when you're under attack during WoE. Other than that, they don't really matter. Sure, they give the player a boost, just like getting to 99/70 trans gives you a boost compared to level 90's. HOWEVER, you will be a much more popular target.
ALSO, MMOs aren't supposed to make EVERYONE equal. OF COURSE there will be strong and weak players. That's why people spend so much time playing them. I find it completely retarded that you're supposed to be able to donate your way into a top tier player without spending any time at all hunting rares. To me, luck should matter more than your paycheck while playing a free game. I'm usually pretty lucky when playing games, and base my playstyle on my luck, being a reckless, but mostly pretty good, player. To me, that's just another way of playing, and if someone's so lucky they get a MVP card or two, good for them! But seriously, I doubt they'd get horribly strong just because of that. Once again, MVP cards are only dangerous if there's alot of them around, since you'd have to change your build to counter them.
Quote from: bensei
Another point on many eartherna servers are the max lvls, max lvl 250, big lol @ that, being able to reach status immunity without any problems, and without sacrifying any dmg, yea, thats real balance.
Or better, haxed skills, like increasing the sight range, yea that balances the sin/rogue-wizard/sage relation a lot.
Another server i know canceld the after cast delay of tarot card of fate, wich is even better, i'd love to be able to spamm ToF without a bragi on my server, but does it balance anythin in the slightes bit?...
Way to bring up something that doesn't even matter here at all. You can't compare a crappy low rate donation-based server with an even crappier high rate retarded-modifications server. I agree that max level 250, with status immunity on every char and maxed out aspd is just retarded, but it really has nothing to do with this whole thing.
As to your last two lines, I think I've pretty much answered them already. But just in case you've missed my points so far, I'll say it again. LUCK is as big of an asset in games as any other type of skill, ONE OR TWO MVP cards will not affect game balance, and Anima is a horrible server with a horrible community.
PS: I do realize this post sounds bad coming from a mod and all, but seriously, I'm sick of people defending a server that's so damn bad, especially when they try to use arguments that aren't even true.
Quote from: Slaw on Sep 27, 2007, 09:19 AM
Quote from: bensei
Ragnarok IS imbalanced, as a job based game always is. One class is always better than another in some things. That IS imbalance. If not every char can reach the same dmg output in pvp, it IS imbalance. If not everyone can kill mobbs as easily as other classes, it IS imbalance. I could go on with that but i think you get the idea.
However, dont blame aro for "imbalancing the game~" when its not even in the slightest bit balanced to begin with. I dont know wich classes dominate pvp on servers with lesser mvp cards, but im pretty sure certain classes ARE better than others. My assumption would be lord knights, or sinx's for less mvp carded servers.
I have to agree with you on this one. Actually, I find your statement pretty damn stupid. And no, I don't feel that calling you stupid for saying something like that is an understatement at all. So live with it.
Ragnarok Online is easily THE most balanced MMORPG I've played. I haven't tried every MMO there is, so there could be some more balanced ones out there, but seriously, in RO, ANY class can become godlike. OBVIOUSLY, a High Priest will never reach the same damage output as an Assassin Cross. HOWEVER, they'll have way better mDef, a cranial buckler, and generally alot more survivability. Lord Knights are good. I'll give you that much. I'd even say they can beat most classes in a 1v1 situation. HOWEVER, they can, just as all other classes, be countered (Pneuma, Dispell, Aspersio, Stone Curse/Frost Diver). IMO RO is like a more complicated rock-paper-scissors game, with every class being able to counter another. Basically, ranged chars > melee DPS > spellcasters > tanks > melee stealth > ranged chars. Feel free to try and prove me wrong, but don't use your twisted Anima logics. Base your ideas on a server with non-retarded gears. Thank you.
Funny how you call me stupid, maybe you should look up the meaning of the word "balance"? Saying that EVERY class can be come as godlike as other classes is just wrong, for obvious reasons i stated in earlier posts. I never claimed that hps could or should reach the same damage output as a sinx or lk, since they have skills that help them in another way to survive in duels, but that would be the ~sense~ of a BALANCED game.
Also, keep your personal atacks to you, i expect to be threaten with respect in a polite manner, especially from a global moderator that you are. Thank you.
I actually based my Ideas on server without "retarded" gears as you say. Maybe you reread my post, if you didnt get it i guess. on servers without donation reward cards, being good, only depends on the very very rare chance to find a mvp card. Prove me wrong on that, i doubt you can.
On anima actually everyone has the same chances, donators as well as non donators, actually the best people of the server didnt even donate 1 cent. But as i read a few of your posts, i know that your a hater of donation systems, so maybe you hate anima because of the system only? Did you ever seriously play on it, to make a serious and honest statement about it? Wait, as i read you didnt, so what are you basing your statements on? how can a person that doesnt play on our server call the custom things "retarded". Sorry, but the only retarded thing was the way you phrased your post.
I just decided not to quote that post of hot air, just to keep my post a bit shorter.
Anyway how can you say how things are SUPPOSED to run? Do you happen to be a gravity staff member?
The role of priests in woe is pretty easy, but Woe=/= Pvp, and indeed every class should be able to fight every other class somehow. Tell me im wrong on that, and you prove your own "ro is balanced" point wrong.
Also, on anima isnt everyone equal, since everyone can get good gears after some time, the skills decide on who is better than someone else. Wouldnt you agree when i say that skills are more important than gears? thats what you actually see in animas pvp, equally geared people that keep improving their skills on their class. Of course you have some retarded donators on the server, that know s*** about the game, but you cant help this.
Btw, you basing your post mainly on a assumption that you NEED to donate to be good. Sorry dude, i actually dont donate millions for my gear, infact, i made the MOST THINGS i own on my own, by hard work.
Mvp cards are even more dangerous when there are a few of them arround, dont fool yourself, a sinx that happens to hit 180+ aspd, will easily rule the pvp/woe if he happens to own the only dopple card on the server. Also, as someone said in an earlier post, people unite to become stronger, so sooner or later all the mvp cards are going to be in one guild, wich of course dominates other guilds.
The last part of my post did indeed have a lot to od with the balance thins, since i used it to compare facts.
However, im running out of time, so ill make it short, im sick of people that bash htings although they never played on it, wich means their opinion on said thing has absolutely no value. I dont care if something like that comes from a mod or not, it is just wrong.
If you didnt play on animaro and have absolutely no clue about whats going on, your post has absolutely no value. Do you see me going into threads, about servers i never played on to bash them? No. But thats exactly what you are doing, you are bashing aro, and with your post your bashing me and last but not least you bash the whole community you dont know neither.
I do expect an apology here, especially from a moderator of a forum from
ratemyserver.net im pretty disappointed when he acts like this. Not angry, but disappointed.
Quote from: bensei on Sep 27, 2007, 08:00 AMHowever, dont blame aro for "imbalancing the game~" when its not even in the slightest bit balanced to begin with. I dont know wich classes dominate pvp on servers with lesser mvp cards, but im pretty sure certain classes ARE better than others. My assumption would be lord knights, or sinx's for less mvp carded servers.
what aro is actually doing is trying to balance the game. I mean, on a server without sqi or mvp gears that are "easily" obtainable, are priest able to win many matchups in pvp? could a priest honestly kill.. uhm... a lord knight? Thats just an extreme example between classes, but my point is that the availability of mvp gears does balance the server, so that the skill lvl you need to survive in pvp is higher than on other servers.
on a server with less mvp gears, one dude has the luck to... uhm.. find a Golden thiefbug card, and dominate the whole wizard(etc) battles from that time. thats what you call balance? having luck to maybe eventually find a mvp card? Having one person that had the luck who dominates pvp? Sorry but that arguement just doesnt go, It would actually help if you explained what you mean, instead of saying "it is imbalanced on aro"
Another point on many eartherna servers are the max lvls, max lvl 250, big lol @ that, being able to reach status immunity without any problems, and without sacrifying any dmg, yea, thats real balance.
So, to make it short a server that hasnt mvp gears available to everyone is NOT balanced, because the pure luck will decide who dominates pvp and woe.Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 26, 2007, 10:55 PM
Not really, I play in a balanced low rate non-spoiled (no cheap stuff, mvp cards for every1 and cheap npcs etc.) and I have champs & creators for dinner.
so, why not pointing out why and how a server with mvp gears wich are only available to lucky persons is balanced?
So yeah GTB screws wizies but.... What if a wizie finds a bio 3 hwiz card, then he can pwn everyone even more. But what if I find it, or he finds it or that other random unknown guy finds it ? we all got the same % chance THAT is balance, it depends on a % chance NOT on how much money you got.
In EVERY RPG I've played (like 8 or around) one or two classes are easy to lvl, some are a bit harder and others are a pain in the donkey. But of course leveling a knight who has to get close to an enemy to attack is harder than a wizard who can cast from a safe distance.
MVP Cards to everyone is NOT balanced, how fair is it for me, let's say a sniper to have 3 or 4 mvp cards in my bow when that SINX has 8 mvp cards ? really fair ?? how fair is it for a whitesmith that everyone else has a WS card on their weps ?? how fair is it for wizies that there's a godly wep that lets sages use waterball ?? how fair is it that clowns and gypsyes can get such GODLY vulcans ?? If everyone had the same % chance of getting all of that then it would be ok, but if all depends on who can pay more $ or do more add frauds then it depends on what you do OUTSIDE of the game to WIN in the game that's NOT fair. Not everyone has 300$ extra to spend in a server.
Before you ask me if I even play anima the answer is yes, for about 6 months.
How fair is it that a SUPPORT class, meaning your job is to HEAL AND SUPPORT OTHERS, NOT ATTACK can EASILY KILL A LORD KNIGHT ??
No1 has the same chances in anima, is it same chance that he can just donate 200$ and kick all of my guild's donkey easily coz we cant donate ?? yeah adds ok let's say we all got 50$ in donations oooh he can donate 100$ more and still kick all of our asses, VERY FAIR ??
RO stuff is suposed to be valued in zenny, like oh look I got 75 million zenny worth in gear instead of oh look I got 30$ in gears.
first of all, you got something wrong with that "how fair is it for ws that everyone hs a WS card" Because anima doesnt plan to implement tho cards anytime too soon, because they would indeed imbalance everything on this kind of server. However, you still didnt really explain what i wanted to hear, how is it imbalanced when peopel are able to have the same gears as others in similar amounts of times? Why is it imbalanced when people are able to get gears, to counter the godly equips of others?
While reading the rest of your post i clearly see you got my wrong, could be me phrasing my post wrong tho; High priests are not able to EASILY kill lk's, but they are with a lot of skill.
You can be good with any class on anima if oyu know your class and can play it with skill. Why does a game like ragnarok have a pvp system then anyway, if not everyone is supposed to have similar chances?
WHAT YOU ALL ARE AIMING AT IS WOE, AND I DO AGREE THAT HPs ARENT SUPPOSED TO KILL IN WOE.
(and i typed in caps, so i must be right)
Of course its fair that everyone has the same chances to get a card, but is fair=balanced? I wouldnt say so. I agree that some things on aRo Arent good, but jumping into things withotu knowing anything, while completely misusing words like "balance" is just wrong.
Ill take your arrow vulcan as example since im a minstrel player on my own since over a year now (infact its my only trans i want to use).
Sure, with the cards we can do a big damage, assuming your enemy wears nothing, but there are enough gears to counter that, just as example the averga Defense wich nerfs AV Heavily, and the % reduction gears, be it toad with a 40% demi human red. or elemental reductions assuming you use elemental arrows.
No Class owns all the others, sure creators are strong, same goes for champs, but they also have weak points on their own, wich you could counter if you want to. Im not saying anima IS balanced, but so isnt the original ro iteself.
Btw, Ad frauders get banned, since its rather easy to catch them, and the items they got, or the money will be traced and taken out of the economy as far as i know.
Also, you bring that donation point again, i post it again in case you didnt read it in my hueg liek xbox posts:
You do not need to donate to be good, actually the best players from aro didnt even donate 1 cent, so saying "it just counts who can donate more" is just wrong either.
I dare you to prove how not everyone has the same chances on this server. I started with nothing, and now im so far that i have somewhat decent and a few godly equips. and that without donating a big bunch (tho i admit i donated 30$ once, wich explains maybe on card i own, but my sqi's and everything else i made with pure work)
Quote from: bensei on Sep 27, 2007, 11:04 AMhow is it imbalanced when peopel are able to have the same gears as others in similar amounts of times? Why is it imbalanced when people are able to get gears, to counter the godly equips of others?
When people are able to do so by paying REAL MONEY or depending on others to pay REAL MONEY for it, it's NOT balanced, there's a 0.01% drop rate on every card not a 100% with 20$ on my hand.
QuoteHigh priests are not able to EASILY kill lk's, but they are with a lot of skill.
Yes they are, I've seen a good bunch of LKs RUN from high priests. I've seen 2 high priests take ENTIRE DONATOR GUILDS on their own lol 2 high priests > guilds ?
High Priest(support class, not a damage dealing class) > LK(tank, damage dealing class). Broken spoiled classes ftw ?
QuoteYou can be good with any class on anima if oyu know your class and can play it with skill. Why does a game like ragnarok have a pvp system then anyway, if not everyone is supposed to have similar chances?
So let's say I know a lot of sinx, that guy knows less than me. He got 12 mvp cards in his gears, I got none we both go attack each other hm... same chance
QuoteOf course its fair that everyone has the same chances to get a card, but is fair=balanced?
Yes, when everyone has the same chance it depends on what YOU do, if you want a thara then you go hunt it if you expect it to fall on you "oh a thara on the floor!" or complain coz that other guy got whatever card first so what ?? he spend time and effort to get it he didnt send 20$ to the server to beat your donkey.
QuoteIll take your arrow vulcan as example since im a minstrel player on my own since over a year now (infact its my only trans i want to use).
Sure, with the cards we can do a big damage, assuming your enemy wears nothing, but there are enough gears to counter that, just as example the averga Defense wich nerfs AV Heavily, and the % reduction gears, be it toad with a 40% demi human red. or elemental reductions assuming you use elemental arrows.
I got a gypsy in a non-spoiled server where classes arent broken, compared to REAL AV the GODLY AV in anima is lame.
QuoteBtw, Ad frauders get banned, since its rather easy to catch them, and the items they got, or the money will be traced and taken out of the economy as far as i know.
SUREEE, yeah right lol anima is corrupt did you know that lil detail ?? I know more than 5 people who add fraud 2 of them were close friends and harken always says if the add guys dont ask for money back it's ok.
Nice admin.
i wont quote again to keep my post small.
1.
I guess i need to explain it again for you, altough i already said most things.
When people donate for mvp gear, they automatically increase the availability of those on the long run, since thell sell them sooner or later.
And the more of a thing is available, the cheaper it is. So it IS balanced between non donators and donators. You dotn need to farm cards as non donator, farming loots in places like skellington makes more sense now, that mvp cards are so "cheap" in terms of zeny. basically i can buy 1 mvp card every 2-3 days by just farming loots in skellington, and sellington them to a npc. Saying its the donators fault, is always a good excuse for beeing too stupid and/or too lazy to make your way another way.
2.
If the lk had similar value in terms of equip, and got beaten by a hp, he was dong something wrong or the hp was nasty good with his skills.
If the lks were all stupid and used spiral pierce on pneuma, itsn othing special the hps won. what was your point again? Tell me how good hps are when you stack your magic defense with a Maya shield, Ragamuffin, 2 rosaries, kahos, and sleipnirs and also wear a angeling/water armor? Thats easily 80 mdef here, by wearing equips you can easily get by a bit work in game; NOT ONLY BY DONATING. If the lk got beaten he was doing it wrong. Dont knowing your class skills ftw?
3.
i was actually refering to a similar equip lvl, if you didnt see it in my post yet (although i mentioned it a lot of times by now) and in fact, in cases when the equip is similar it comes down to the skills of someone. And since equip is rather easy to get on aro, the skill lvl matters A LOT.
I can always come up with the extreme cases, like what if a novice 1/1 fights a lvl 99/70 sinx?!?!?!?!?1ß11
But its bringing us nowhere.
4.
i agree with "Yes, when everyone has the same chance it depends on what YOU do"
Everyone can make his way on aro, non donators as well as non donators. Of course you need to learn the economy to take advantage of it, but it IS doable. did i already mention one of the few prime examples who made 200m zeny in 2 weeks? WITHOUT DONATING? Imagine what you can buy for 200m, assuming the mvp card price is 20m ea.
the other part of that post part i disagree with, what you are talking about is LUCK, I can hunt thara frogs for YEARS and not find a card, THAT IS NOT BALANCE, THAT IS PURE IN REAL LIFE LUCK. (caps again :3 )
5.
Excuse me? I think i know quite a lot about my clown, i for my part didnt take a class wich is the pvp "pwnage" and i do know for a fact that AV IS NOT BROKEN. If you think Arrow vulcan is broken, you seriously need to learn to play, because its just foolish to believe that it is. Sure my AV does a lot dmg on a 0 def 1/1 novice, but lets stay relastic ok?
6.
You say Anima is corrupt, and harken said this and that. Now i dont know about that, nor do i care. But why dont you post any prove to back your point up?
Anyway even if, i dont think harken even knows if someone ad frauds, till the ad sponsor informs harken about it. Thats at least how i assume it works.
People do the adds and fraud -> sponsor notices the ad fraud -> sponsor informs the server owner and hands out the frauder ips.
So maybe its indeed ok if the ad sponsor doesnt complain?
Anyway, as i said i can just assume in that point, but posting something without having any prove for it isnt that much of a help neither in a discussion.
Anyway, before you reply now, i ask you to read and understand my post, i answered the most things in the 2 earlier posts now already, so i mainly just repeated myself now.
If you say you do not like animaRo, because Mvp cards are too common, and you prefer having a server with less mvp cards thats totally ok. Everyone has its own opinions and own ways to find a game fun. But saying a server IS bad and IS inbalanced because of that is just disrespectful and also, stupid.
Just because i do not like servers with less mvp card availability i dont go and start to say how s*** the server is.
God damn, no i typed again such a friggen long novel.. = =''
Also, before someone plays the card on me no im not harken, nor do i get free gears for posting here, nor do i get ads for posting here and so on and so forth. The only reason im posting here is seeing people acting like stupid childs, and jumping into things they never tested, but think its ok to flame over a biased points. If you dont like anima, its ok, noone will hate you for it. But saying things and talking about it likes its the TRUTH is wrong. Personal opinion = good ; Spreading it like its the truth = bad.
Quote from: bensei on Sep 27, 2007, 02:50 PM
the other part of that post part i disagree with, what you are talking about is LUCK, I can hunt thara frogs for YEARS and not find a card, THAT IS NOT BALANCE, THAT IS PURE IN REAL LIFE LUCK. (caps again :3 )
You should stop playing Korean MMORPG.
That's not the spirit :(
Quote from: Transcend on Sep 27, 2007, 03:05 PM
Quote from: bensei on Sep 27, 2007, 02:50 PM
the other part of that post part i disagree with, what you are talking about is LUCK, I can hunt thara frogs for YEARS and not find a card, THAT IS NOT BALANCE, THAT IS PURE IN REAL LIFE LUCK. (caps again :3 )
You should stop playing Korean MMORPG.
That's not the spirit :(
True, korean MMOs are based on luck and grinding if you dont like it dont play it but dont fck it up more than what it already is.
I'd rather depend on luck than my bank account.
Btw serenity a high priest was able to own ANY LK and PALLI in the server, no matter WHAT EQUIP, ETC. you bring up, serenity pwn'em all.
1. Cards are meant to be RARE not a common item you can buy every 2 days, that 0.01% drop rate is there for something.
2. No, the top palli of the server was unable to beat a high priest, the top LK cant even heal and died when his pots run out. NO LK or palli could beat high priests that got 1 or 2 good equips, 2 special equips = godly ftw ! 5k envenom anyone ? (with 190 aspd and healing 3k + a million and one reducers, the class is not broken at all !!)
3. Two lvl 99/70 sinx both with same stats same gears, one has 12 mvp cards coz he donate the other has 12 normal cards (aka andre for attack, hydra, no gr no deviling no 50%+ hp no phree etc.) who'll win hm...
4. If you can make 200M in 2 weeks the server sucks.
5. I've played a gypsy on a LEGIT (aka non-spoiled server) if you want to learn about a class, play it in a real server then we can talk about it.
6. Do a little search in RMS and find the tons of evidence in RMS about anima's corruption.
P.D. the add frauds i mention were my friends btw, funny how harken didnt give a crap as long as they stay and donate.
That's why we're making a 1x. For the sake of "Balance" while some people are killing it T_T!
i actually dont think you have the right to judge my skills because i play on a private server. that beeing said.
the point is, i prefer to rely on my in game work, rather than on pure luck.
Also, if you cant make 200m a week, on anima, (or compareable amounts on other servers, wich fit their econ) you suck, not the server.
your again splitting it in donators and non donators. Now i honestly ask you, are you unable to read posts? I just said that because of the cheap zeny price for mvp cards, EVERYONE If donator or not, is able to become godly.
HPs are far away from beeing unbeatable, i jsut posted the most common way to beat them. If the "top pally" could do it, he maybe wasnt as "top tier as you think.
Post the corruption about anima, post the prove. Oh wait you refer to our gms wich left? Keyword: left.
Anyway, i dont think its anyone right to say how things are supposed to go. Your not a god damn staff of gravity.
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 27, 2007, 03:30 PM
True, korean MMOs are based on luck and grinding if you dont like it dont play it but dont fck it up more than what it already is.
I'd rather depend on luck than my bank account.
So you admit its f*** up? You think you have the right to tell people not to change things on their servers? Go and post that in every server discussion, please.
If you dont like donation systems thats ok, but dont cry about it and say it isnt supposed to be like that, because you couldnt tell.
money is suposed to be hard to make, if u make 200m in a week then seriously the server is too easy and THAT suxs.
Keep denying that classes are broken, you're only fooling yourself.
Every koream MMO is based on luck for gears, the % chance is so low it's suposed to be rare and donations screw that, screw how the game was suposed to be = bad server.
Quote from: bensei on Sep 27, 2007, 05:24 PM
Also, if you cant make 200m a week, on anima, (or compareable amounts on other servers, wich fit their econ) you suck, not the server.
Wait, wait. I can't produce 200 million a week in that server.
Can you? Because I pretty much can't. ._.
What exactly did you do then, to get that much in a week? I would like to know, so I could fix my 'sucky'ness.
Perhaps that 'on anima' quip should not be there...
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 27, 2007, 05:31 PM
money is suposed to be hard to make, if u make 200m in a week then seriously the server is too easy and THAT suxs.
Keep denying that classes are broken, you're only fooling yourself.
Every koream MMO is based on luck for gears, the % chance is so low it's suposed to be rare and donations screw that, screw how the game was suposed to be = bad server.
Again, i dare to say you do not know what you are talking about. I shouldnt fool myself? that from the person who says things like "The game is supposed to be that and this".
RO isnt supposed to have increased rates, so you basically jsut said that every little private server wich is over 1/1/1 sucks. congratulations. Is that what you wanted? You won, every private server with unormal rates sucks hardcore, because gravity didnt want cards to drop at higher rates than 0.01%.
Also, lol i had a typo, i ment two weeks, however you got my point. I referd to some ws, i dont knwo if she wants to be named here so i dont. I heard that she made it in 2 weeks, with a little start money. noone said its easy, but she proved its doable.
Well, doing it will be hard, i assume. personally i didnt do it on my own, jsut because it requires too much time wich i do not have atm.
Anyway, as i said pasis skellington, as you should know of course, preferably with a BS/WS, since greed increases your money income a lot. you could dual client one (since i know you play HP) and place it somewhere, then you make soem decent mobbs, kill them in the BS near, and greed away the loots you just made.
After you got some money to start with Its awesome to buy cheap and sell high. That is pretty much the fastest way, especially sicne anima has such a high population. Basically you just need a few lucky deals, (mispriced items maybe?) And the money you began with is doubled.
Edit: awwwww, i lost karma in my profile, ;<
Increasing rates doesnt unbalance, let's see
Increase exp rates = lvl faster, EVERYONE lvls faster so it's not screwed. Balanced so far
Increase drop rates = EVERYONE has the same % chance of an item droped. Balanced so far
Donate to get stuff = NOT EVERYONE has 300$ to spend or the time to go do adds or WHATEVER to get donations. Balance broken.
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 27, 2007, 06:56 PM
Increasing rates doesnt unbalance, let's see
Increase exp rates = lvl faster, EVERYONE lvls faster so it's not screwed. Balanced so far
Increase drop rates = EVERYONE has the same % chance of an item droped. Balanced so far
Donate to get stuff = NOT EVERYONE has 300$ to spend or the time to go do adds or WHATEVER to get donations. Balance broken.
Winner Krystalx win's the medal of the fair player
As she said. If a server with 600 Actif can produce more than 1 Bilion in 2 weeks then something is wrong.
How much is worth zeny in dollars?
Quote from: bensei on Sep 27, 2007, 06:12 PM
Also, lol i had a typo, i ment two weeks, however you got my point. I referd to some ws, i dont knwo if she wants to be named here so i dont. I heard that she made it in 2 weeks, with a little start money. noone said its easy, but she proved its doable.
Well, doing it will be hard, i assume. personally i didnt do it on my own, jsut because it requires too much time wich i do not have atm.
Anyway, as i said pasis skellington, as you should know of course, preferably with a BS/WS, since greed increases your money income a lot. you could dual client one (since i know you play HP) and place it somewhere, then you make soem decent mobbs, kill them in the BS near, and greed away the loots you just made.
After you got some money to start with Its awesome to buy cheap and sell high. That is pretty much the fastest way, especially sicne anima has such a high population. Basically you just need a few lucky deals, (mispriced items maybe?) And the money you began with is doubled.
Eh, you asked a Whitesmith. With a little start money. But is that all? What sort of gears did she have when she went on that 200 million a fortnight spree(it doesn't matter how much starting money she has to start with, what matters is what she wears, how lucky she gets with the market, and what is her time limit to play per day)? And I believe that Whitesmith is probably an accomplished one at that. And how long since she did that, anyways?
I am still somewhat sceptical to this. Word by mouth can be somewhat distorted over time. If this can be done by the average Whitesmith, then I will take your word for it. However, this is but one individual. To say those who cannot emulate her 'suck,' will be pretty much a generalizing statement, methinks. :-\
By the way, what is this karma thingy? I do not understand the function of such. Also, what is this longevity thing as well?
@ pasis, ok she had the decent ws gears you know. such as a baphomet mace, to be able to mobb. but i simply assume that similar amounts of money are doable, with a High priest and dual logged BS. 200m sure was the extreme case, but you basically find lucky deals everyday, since some people want to get rid of certain items really fast, or simply misprice them. Also, im not sure about that karma thing neither, but i dont like that mine is half red D=
And just to drop the note, not everyone on anima makes endless money per week, but people showed it COULD be doable, when you actually work for you gears and dont cry like a kid that donators have gear easier than you.
My max amount was 120m in 3 weeks, and wow, never again because i spent day for day, hours for hours on farming loots, studying the economy and so on.
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 27, 2007, 06:56 PM
Increasing rates doesnt unbalance, let's see
Increase exp rates = lvl faster, EVERYONE lvls faster so it's not screwed. Balanced so far
Increase drop rates = EVERYONE has the same % chance of an item droped. Balanced so far
Donate to get stuff = NOT EVERYONE has 300$ to spend or the time to go do adds or WHATEVER to get donations. Balance broken.
First of all, you didnt talk about fair things in that post i referd to, you talked about HOW THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO RUN. And i tell you, if gravity wanted ro to have higher raters, it would have given it those.
So do me a favor and think about what you say, because with "that isnt supposed to be like that" You spit on every private server that uses something custom.
Maybe the drop system is for everyone fair, but it is nowhere near balanced, when one person happens to find mvp gears, wich is only depending on luck. You basically didnt even really ~earn~ it, you just had the luck to be in the right place in the right time to kill the right monster.
But again to that donation point, not everyone is able to play 24/7 RO. What is with people who work?
Sure, for you its maybe ~fair~ since you can farm all day long. but people that work IRL (wich is actually harder btw) should stay sucky? Where is the "fairness" here, to ask it with your words.
So NOT EVERYONE HAS TIME TO FARM 24/7 FOR RO, NOT EVERYONE IS A NO LIFE WITHOUT JOB, OR A KID.
I dont see why you do not get, that the donators make the items in terms of zeny prices too.
YOU AS NON DONATORS GET THE SAME CHANCES TO GET THE SAME EQUIP IN SHORT TIMES BECAUSE OF THAT LITTLE FACT (as if i didnt say it more than enough by now)
The way you argue is stupid, If you dont like donation systems on servers its ok, just leave then. But dont say EVERYONE should dislike it, because IT ISNT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT. Do me a favor and dont twist your own words in your posts, all your doing is making yourself look dumb, and im serious about that, because reading how often, and how you use the words "it isnt suppposed to be like that" in your posts.
Do something different for once, and tell me why its unbalanced to have donation gears, if the items are reachable for low zeny prices for non donators too that way? I aim that question at everyone who thinks that THAT unbalances the game.
i also stick to my point and say RO is unbalanced to being with. a Game in wich not everyone has the same chances, especially in terms of pvp, IS AND NEVER WILL BE BALANCED FULLSTOP; THATS NOT HOW JOB BASED GAMES ARE "SUPPOSED TO BE"
can anyone tell me izin the animaRO s shut down?
why i can't in animaro websites ? ???
the aro mainpage is down due to problems with the web server host. They are working the normal hours only, so it takes a bit.
However, the game servers are all up, so aro isnt down.
for more informations, check out the blogg
http://animaro.blogspot.com/
Harken will let us know if theres anything new i guess.
Quote from: bensei on Sep 28, 2007, 03:15 AMQuote from: Krystalx on Sep 27, 2007, 06:56 PM
Increasing rates doesnt unbalance, let's see
Increase exp rates = lvl faster, EVERYONE lvls faster so it's not screwed. Balanced so far
Increase drop rates = EVERYONE has the same % chance of an item droped. Balanced so far
Donate to get stuff = NOT EVERYONE has 300$ to spend or the time to go do adds or WHATEVER to get donations. Balance broken.
Maybe the drop system is for everyone fair, but it is nowhere near balanced, when one person happens to find mvp gears, wich is only depending on luck. You basically didnt even really ~earn~ it, you just had the luck to be in the right place in the right time to kill the right monster.
But again to that donation point, not everyone is able to play 24/7 RO. What is with people who work?
Sure, for you its maybe ~fair~ since you can farm all day long. but people that work IRL (wich is actually harder btw) should stay sucky? Where is the "fairness" here, to ask it with your words.
So NOT EVERYONE HAS TIME TO FARM 24/7 FOR RO, NOT EVERYONE IS A NO LIFE WITHOUT JOB, OR A KID.
I dont see why you do not get, that the donators make the items in terms of zeny prices too.
YOU AS NON DONATORS GET THE SAME CHANCES TO GET THE SAME EQUIP IN SHORT TIMES BECAUSE OF THAT LITTLE FACT (as if i didnt say it more than enough by now)
The way you argue is stupid, If you dont like donation systems on servers its ok, just leave then. But dont say EVERYONE should dislike it, because IT ISNT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT. Do me a favor and dont twist your own words in your posts, all your doing is making yourself look dumb, and im serious about that, because reading how often, and how you use the words "it isnt suppposed to be like that" in your posts.
Do something different for once, and tell me why its unbalanced to have donation gears, if the items are reachable for low zeny prices for non donators too that way? I aim that question at everyone who thinks that THAT unbalances the game.
Maybe you dont have time to hunt, but the point is that YOU COULD whenever you have time IT DOESNT DEPEND ON ANY OTHER OUTSIDE TOTALLY UNRELATED FACTOR TO GET GEARS(real money donation or add fraud for example). You get your STUFF IN THE GAME WITH WHATEVER MEAN YOU CAN IN THE GAME (buy from other people, guild hunt, etc.)
Yes you're right when you say "IT ISNT SUPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT", you're not suposed to have 20k hp with deviling card, gr, 2 dops, 5 tgs, etc. MVP CARDS are 0.01% drop like all the other cards and hey guess what ? on a real server you dont pwn a mvp in 2 mins so getting a mvp card is HARD, you dont see sinx with 190 aspd breaking an emp in 3 seconds and they dont even have 5 agi there's another broken class.
Donation gears are unbalanced because it's not depending on the damn % drop for stuff, it's depending on your 100% drop rate with 20 bucks in your hands. MVP cards are like 5 per server not 20 per player.
Like I said before, that 0.01% drop rate on a monster that's hard to kill in a REAL server without COMPLETELY BROKEN CLASSES is there for a reason.
Broken classes ? oh that would be the high priests that own LKs with no effort, the 2 high priests that own donator guilds (Yeah who doesnt go to any real server and see high priests kicking every1's butt with 5k envenom at 190 aspd??), sinx breaking emp in 2 secs and they dont even have 5 agi, same for sniper but it takes a bit more, IC godly asura .... complete balance ftw !!?
First of all, we are not on a original server, if you would want everything to be normal as it is supposed to be, why the hell do you play like us on private servers?
Lets go further lol. Yoru supposed to PAY to play ragnarok online. Yet your bypassing it by playing a private server. Wow yes, you really handle things how they are supposed to be. Get of that high horse you think your sitting on.
Yet again your just throwing the things you say in the last 4 posts of yours at me again, without even taking a look at one of the arguements i brought up.
And sorry, but i dont feel like repeating me 7 times. Im tired of it now.
My prime example from your last post; The donation gear unbalances the server.
Funny is, how you dont even mention or take a look about what i said, wich is that donation gears, make mvp gears also easier available for non donators. so basically both parties take their advantage of it.
Also, since you liek to mention the high priests so much, lets imagine a duel between a hp and a lk.
That beeing said, yes their sqi are both broken, but then again harken didnt finish the rebalancing of all sqi, because we indeed take arround 2 weeks time to discuss certain sqi.
However, the high priest actually have NATURALLY a good advtange to the lk, wich is pneuma. On of the strongest lk skills, spiral pierce, absolutely misses due to it. The other skill of that rank will be safety wall, wich would let melee dps miss.
So you clearly see, NATURALLY Hps have awesome defensive skills, there isnt a skill lvl or gear lvl involved so far. A Good HP, isnt Killable IMO. You just cant kill a class like hp as lk, when they have 3k~ heal and an absolute perfect defense. assuming the hp doesnt suck of course.
However, in the said "2hp killed a whole guild example" the thing why i cant imagine that is simply because that skills like pneuma and safety wall arent casteable on one panel. Mean you cant protect yourself from RANGED and CLOSE BATTLE atacks at the same time.
If of course the guild sucked, and kept using ranged atacks on pneuma'd HP's its no wonder they lost.
Now what on anima exist, the sqi's do increase everyone strength in a way or another. HP's get stronger, lks are stronger and so on.
However its not like HP > ALL, Just because they are able to do a dps dmg wich doesnt suck, thats why you do not see guilds full of HP's. Certain matchups arent easy winnable, i said anima tirest to balance such things, but i didnt say it would always work.
I mean if i fight a pally as minstrel, i know pretty damn well that ill lose. No matter what his sqi, or my sqi gives. Im still restricted to what my class is able to do, the sqi doesnt make me stronger than everyone else. Not to mention that the bally wouldnt even NEED an sqi to win.
So are Hps restricted. There is always a solution against everything, in anima NO CLASS IS >>>>>> ALL.
EVERYTHING has a weak point you can take advantage off.
Since Hps are basically to their magic abilities, stackign up mdef would be good, or to make it very very easy, you could use a gtb.
Now the only available options the hps could have is meleeing (assuming he has a sqi), or using magic crasher spamm, to bypass the gtb.
Now, since the hp sqi is water element, wearing a swordfish armor with your gtb, will also reduce their melee dmg. And incase they use aspersio, you can armor switch to an angeling armor, wich would make their melee dmg even 0.
However, it takes maybe some knowledge, but there isnt a class wich is > All.
Champs are good, because of the single fact that almost all their skills are perfectly designed for pvp. They are one of the classes with pneuma, means they can protect themselfs from ranged dmg, and also have a few of the strongest burst skills of the game.
However, i dont get your point, tbh, How is it unfair if everyone has the same chances to get mvp gears on anima? The only people i hear saying that are whiney fools, wich tried to play there, saw a few items, and cry arround about how hard it is. Yes, thats always an excuse for beeing lazy. Its the server owner wich breaks all classes; Its the donation system; Its this, its that.
Also, the character desining is nowhere balanced, to begin with. Some classes WILL always dominate pvp, while others wont. Its not animas donation gear wich imbalances pvp. It was gravity, when they did not gave everyone the availability to reach the same dmg output.
Now i know that sounds foolish, but you need to face that little detail if you seriously want to talk about balance. The drop rates may be the same for everyone in the game, wich is indeed balanced. But one thing is damn sure, the character classes arent.
However, i repeat myself, If you just dont like donation systems like these, it is perfectly ok, i dont want to force you to believe what i think. But the point wich upsets me in the whole story is that people like you and Slaw (who didnt respond yet to my post; much to my surprise), and probably many others, force people to believe what you do. Its an serious attitude problem, you shouldnt tell people that animaro sucks because of a donation system, you should say " -I- dont like animaro, because of the availability of mvp cards"
Sometimes some posts here remember me to those religious people, that come to you and force you to believe in a thing you dont want to. Get over that attitude, i hoped Rms, would have competent people, that are able to make differences between that. Yet i only met a very few.
anyway, i think ill stop the discussion, it gets me annoyed everytime i read it. Just think about what i said krystal, (and maybe slaw?) before getting all butthurt about it and attempting to flame me to hell.
I mean just to quote slaw; Animaro has a horrible community; Tho he admitted he never played on it. So many biased points of views, full of rumours from the one or another. Sorry, but i expected rms, wich is supposed to give you a deep insight into servers, to be a bit more proffessional.
Thats all i have to say, i wont post again here, unless a reply of you, slaw, or anyone else gives me the urge to do so.
Edit: Oh lord.. i always end up in typing such novels, although i really try not to ._.
Quote from: bensei on Sep 28, 2007, 11:07 AMFirst of all, we are not on a original server, if you would want everything to be normal as it is supposed to be, why the hell do you play like us on private servers?
Many private servers are an original server where you lvl 3 times faster, nothing else changes aka classes are balanced, rares are still rares, no mvp cards flying like jellopies, etc.
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 28, 2007, 11:46 AM
Quote from: bensei on Sep 28, 2007, 11:07 AMFirst of all, we are not on a original server, if you would want everything to be normal as it is supposed to be, why the hell do you play like us on private servers?
Many private servers are an original server where you lvl 3 times faster, nothing else changes aka classes are balanced, rares are still rares, no mvp cards flying like jellopies, etc.
Wow, private server =/= Original?
Or do i see that wrong?
However, discussing with you is rather senseless, i dont know how old you are, nor do i really care, but i hope you change this "what i say is law" attitude over the time.
Your attitude and the way you argue is childish imo. But then again it could be my own fault for playing a game wich has mostly young players.
I hope i made at least one baseless flamer or hater, think about aro, so that he sees that everyone prefers different game plays. Because you obviously fail at letting people having their own opinion. You say Donation systems are bad Fullstop
You dont leave any space for a discussion, because whatever i say to you, you bring up the same arguement i just proved wrong in the post before.
See, your right,
im wrong,
i hope i pleased your childish mind now?
However, learn the meanings and differences of the words balance, fairness and also the meaning of the word private server. It makes people look dumb when they use words in the wrong context, especially if they keep doing it.
I honestly thought it wouldnt come that far in this thread. The discussion ended again, because the obvious haters dont seem to be open for any arguement.
Good day.
Bensei have you been brainwashed?
I'm serious PLEASE For your RO experiance sake go check another populated RO server and i can give you some links if you want :l
Just some food for thought..
In terms of 1 vs 1, this game is definetly not balanced. iRO, and any other server I've tried. Of course, this game doesn't revolve around 1 vs 1, it revolves around WoE. Every class has a different 'role', every class is played differently, but every class is also very useful.
It's possible to make zeny without donating, even if it is a lot harder. There are 10k+ people registered in AnimaRO - have you met them all? People tend to notice the mean people more, because usually those are the ones who donate and ego-stroke and whatnot. I dare you to hang out in a different area for a few days, and i'm sure you'll find some other people. Valk is NOT controlled by GMs, and, if you want valk... Go kill valk? Of course, the people who are dedicated to working around the clock and killing Valk, will usually be the ones who get's Valk's kills, so I guess if you want to score some valk gears you'll have to organize a team of your own :P
kill valk ?? people exploit a gitch to kill it and it was a GM who start it LOL.
Yeah 1 on 1 is not balanced, but when an IC champ can take out a guild of trans on his own or 2 high priests take out donator guilds on their own well LOL there's something wrong.
Support class kicking donkey ha ha ha well maybe with soul link but not with 5k+ envenom at 190 aspd.
Quote from: bensei on Sep 28, 2007, 01:18 PMSee, your right,
im wrong,
i hope i pleased your childish mind now?
Not really, thinking that you can "please" me like that rofl, face it anima has a lot of bad fame for broken classes and corruption denying it is pointless, ever heard the name windsong and her site about corruption ??
You can be godly just from add frauds, wow what a fair and balanced place to be !
Here lemme quote some for you
Quote from: The Truth that has been proved a million times, from windy
Debbie, also known as Philip Mak (Pmak), has lied to the player base concerning his gender. He and GM Harken have gone out of their way to conceal the fact that Debbie is truly a man. This is such a trivial point, yes? But if the GMs would lie about something so trivial, who knows what else they're lying about?
Debbie is one of the leading developers of a botting program known as VisualKore. Not only is his alias "pmak" listed on the page of contributors, but look at this link: http://visualkore.aaanime.net/servers.php. "Personally guarantee," eh. Very fishy.
Personally, the idea of a server that I loved and truly cared for being run by someone who creates bots disgusts me, and further serves to erode my trust in the GMs. If you create bots and get paid for selling those bots, for your own selfish gains you would want people to bot so that you could make money off of them, and wouldn't really care if they botted on your own server or not.
I have heard several ugly tie-ins with this; that Debbie has given bots and high-level items to high-level guilds, such as the Celestial99s and Sovereign, in a clear display of favoritism. Even if these uglier rumors are not true, it does not change the fact that Debbie is a bot developer, which only serves to destroy my confidence in the server further.
There is one specific case that comes to mind when I think of botting: Bundy, who was clearly botting and just as clearly caught by Lemina Ausa doing so, was never banned or punished for it because, according to the GMs, "despite the screencaps, we never caught him in the act." I honestly don't understand this. He was botting. He got caught. And yet he's gotten off scott-free and now he has an Assassin Cross of his very own to play with. Where is the justice in this? There is none!
The AnimaRO GM Team do not want this information getting out, and have repeatedly banned or deleted people's posts on the forum in an attempt to keep this quiet. Is anyone else bothered by this tyrannical stifling of free speech? If something is so bad that you have to work so hard at keeping it quiet, perhaps you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
The GMs utilize a system of bribery that totally disgusts me. Being able to pay your way out of jail? Being forced to pay ten dollars if you've been scammed--in short, being forced to pay the GMs for caring and doing their job? It doesn't matter if it's carelessness. You should not be penalized for being the victim! Their excuse was that every time they'd have to look up the logs to track down the scammer, everyone would be kicked out of the game. I would, personally, rather be kicked out of the game every now and then because the GMs have to help someone than make the victim pay.
And to allow people to pay their way out of jail is just sickening. For a price, the GMs will unban a person's bot, rename it, and set it loose for him or her to play with. To me, this displays the true greediness of the GMs, how willing they are to exploit the players: rewarding unruly players with too-light punishments, and hurting honest players by not only making them pay to have the GMs do their job, but also by allowing the bad players to run amok.
It doesn't matter to me that they've (probably) removed the charge for scamming assistance. The fact that, at one point, the GMs thought this could even hope to be a good idea still proves to me that they are not looking out for the best interests of the players, but their own interests, further eroding my faith in the GMs. And they're probably still taking bribery to unban bots or release people from jail early.
Debbie thought it would be okay to allow pornography onto the forums. This is similar to the case above. I don't care if the other GMs chewed Debbie out for it. How can Debbie hope to run a "pro-player server" if he thinks that putting pornography on a game which has 12-year-olds and younger playing upon it is okay? How can I count on a man who is so monumentally short-sighted?
Ultimately, I disagree with the GMs' outlook that exploiting bugs in the game is okay. (If you're wondering where I got this from, it's mentioned on the website the Pmak cites in Chat 3-2.) I will agree that this outlook has some merit. I'll readily agree that any glitch that is found by the players is the fault of the server, not the players. However, because the GMs think this, I cannot trust them to fairly deal with those that do find glitches and exploit them. Similarly, what do they consider a bot to be? Just another "glitch" in the game that can be freely used? At the moment I believe that the GMs don't care much about botting--"You can bot all you want, just don't get caught"--and that disgusts me.
The player base is eroding. AnimaRO used to be such a wonderful place; everyone was friendly and helpful. Suddenly, people have been getting scammed so often that the GMs feel it's okay--perhaps even necessary--to instate this ridiculous ten-dollar fine for trusting your fellow players. Perhaps there's a reason so many members were scammed--because the majority of players on this server used to be honorable people I was proud to be friends with. Now I have to constantly fear for my password, and I can't enjoy the game as I used to. KSing is rampant in GH prison [Windynote 2/14/07: Niffleheim too, these days], among other places, and people enjoy flaunting the rules concerning KSing and loot stealing. Krystal has said she has reported over 40 KSers, providing ample proof in the way of screencaps, and none of them have been punished. When I was on the server three days ago, I was cursed out on four separate occasions (by beggars or just people who were jerks) within the span of about two hours. I try really hard to be nice to everyone, so that completely blindsided me. What kind of place is aRO now? Even if the GMs weren't so corrupted, do I want to play on a server full of people like this? In the end, the answer was no.
I have heard many more things, ugly things, from not only the administration of AnimaRO but also the oldest players--things like the GMs themselves having characters and competing during WoE (1hit1kill and Kanemi are the ones most commonly mentioned), giving bots and +10 items/Super Quest Items away to the players they favored, and using the donations for their own personal gain, not for the good of the server. I do not believe the money we are all donating so eagerly is being used properly and well. I have been as patient as I can with this server full of bugs, dead cities, being unable to log in when you want, and insane amounts of lag. But with all the money we as a player base have poured into this server, I can see no more excuses I can give the GMs for providing such shoddy service. There are so many other, better-working, more updated servers. They don't have as many donations as we do, and they run on the same kind of server we use, AEGIS. On top of that, if the lag is bad, just get a new server--they've said and said and said that they've been looking for a server, and I've been patient. I can't be patient any more, especially not that I know all this now.
I heard that Pmak made a large show of owning up to 1hit1kill being a bot and retiring her. However, who's to know that Pmak didn't just rename the bot and/or change its class so he could continue using it? He certainly has a history of doing such things in the past for others--why not himself?
Yes I'm the krystal she mentions reporting KSers btw.
Quote from: Transcend on Sep 28, 2007, 03:03 PMBensei have you been brainwashed?
I'm serious PLEASE For your RO experiance sake go check another populated RO server and i can give you some links if you want :l
I can give you some links to real RO servers as well ;)
Have a good day ;D
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 28, 2007, 03:37 PM
kill valk ?? people exploit a gitch to kill it and it was a GM who start it LOL. <-- Proof?
Yeah 1 on 1 is not balanced, but when an IC champ can take out a guild of trans on his own or 2 high priests take out donator guilds on their own well LOL there's something wrong. <-- This is what happens when pros fight noobs.
Support class kicking donkey ha ha ha well maybe with soul link but not with 5k+ envenom at 190 aspd. <-- In iRO, priests are VERY powerful, even in PvP.
Quote from: bensei on Sep 28, 2007, 01:18 PMSee, your right,
im wrong,
i hope i pleased your childish mind now?
Not really, thinking that you can "please" me like that rofl, face it anima has a lot of bad fame for broken classes and corruption denying it is pointless, ever heard the name windsong and her site about corruption ??
Here lemme quote some for you
Quote from: The Truth that has been proved a million times, from windy
Debbie, also known as Philip Mak (Pmak), has lied to the player base concerning his gender. He and GM Harken have gone out of their way to conceal the fact that Debbie is truly a man. This is such a trivial point, yes? But if the GMs would lie about something so trivial, who knows what else they're lying about?
Debbie is one of the leading developers of a botting program known as VisualKore. Not only is his alias "pmak" listed on the page of contributors, but look at this link: http://visualkore.aaanime.net/servers.php. "Personally guarantee," eh. Very fishy. [Windynote( 8/10/06): since I've had this page up, they've removed the "personal guarantee" that VisualKore works on AnimaRO, but I swear to you it was there before everyone left the server.]
Personally, the idea of a server that I loved and truly cared for being run by someone who creates bots disgusts me, and further serves to erode my trust in the GMs. If you create bots and get paid for selling those bots, for your own selfish gains you would want people to bot so that you could make money off of them, and wouldn't really care if they botted on your own server or not.
I have heard several ugly tie-ins with this; that Debbie has given bots and high-level items to high-level guilds, such as the Celestial99s and Sovereign, in a clear display of favoritism. Even if these uglier rumors are not true, it does not change the fact that Debbie is a bot developer, which only serves to destroy my confidence in the server further.
There is one specific case that comes to mind when I think of botting: Bundy, who was clearly botting and just as clearly caught by Lemina Ausa doing so, was never banned or punished for it because, according to the GMs, "despite the screencaps, we never caught him in the act." I honestly don't understand this. He was botting. He got caught. And yet he's gotten off scott-free and now he has an Assassin Cross of his very own to play with. Where is the justice in this? There is none!
The AnimaRO GM Team do not want this information getting out, and have repeatedly banned or deleted people's posts on the forum in an attempt to keep this quiet. Is anyone else bothered by this tyrannical stifling of free speech? If something is so bad that you have to work so hard at keeping it quiet, perhaps you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
The GMs utilize a system of bribery that totally disgusts me. Being able to pay your way out of jail? Being forced to pay ten dollars if you've been scammed--in short, being forced to pay the GMs for caring and doing their job? It doesn't matter if it's carelessness. You should not be penalized for being the victim! Their excuse was that every time they'd have to look up the logs to track down the scammer, everyone would be kicked out of the game. I would, personally, rather be kicked out of the game every now and then because the GMs have to help someone than make the victim pay.
And to allow people to pay their way out of jail is just sickening. For a price, the GMs will unban a person's bot, rename it, and set it loose for him or her to play with. To me, this displays the true greediness of the GMs, how willing they are to exploit the players: rewarding unruly players with too-light punishments, and hurting honest players by not only making them pay to have the GMs do their job, but also by allowing the bad players to run amok.
It doesn't matter to me that they've (probably) removed the charge for scamming assistance. The fact that, at one point, the GMs thought this could even hope to be a good idea still proves to me that they are not looking out for the best interests of the players, but their own interests, further eroding my faith in the GMs. And they're probably still taking bribery to unban bots or release people from jail early.
Debbie thought it would be okay to allow pornography onto the forums. This is similar to the case above. I don't care if the other GMs chewed Debbie out for it. How can Debbie hope to run a "pro-player server" if he thinks that putting pornography on a game which has 12-year-olds and younger playing upon it is okay? How can I count on a man who is so monumentally short-sighted?
Ultimately, I disagree with the GMs' outlook that exploiting bugs in the game is okay. (If you're wondering where I got this from, it's mentioned on the website the Pmak cites in Chat 3-2.) I will agree that this outlook has some merit. I'll readily agree that any glitch that is found by the players is the fault of the server, not the players. However, because the GMs think this, I cannot trust them to fairly deal with those that do find glitches and exploit them. Similarly, what do they consider a bot to be? Just another "glitch" in the game that can be freely used? At the moment I believe that the GMs don't care much about botting--"You can bot all you want, just don't get caught"--and that disgusts me.
The player base is eroding. AnimaRO used to be such a wonderful place; everyone was friendly and helpful. Suddenly, people have been getting scammed so often that the GMs feel it's okay--perhaps even necessary--to instate this ridiculous ten-dollar fine for trusting your fellow players. Perhaps there's a reason so many members were scammed--because the majority of players on this server used to be honorable people I was proud to be friends with. Now I have to constantly fear for my password, and I can't enjoy the game as I used to. KSing is rampant in GH prison [Windynote 2/14/07: Niffleheim too, these days], among other places, and people enjoy flaunting the rules concerning KSing and loot stealing. Krystal has said she has reported over 40 KSers, providing ample proof in the way of screencaps, and none of them have been punished. When I was on the server three days ago, I was cursed out on four separate occasions (by beggars or just people who were jerks) within the span of about two hours. I try really hard to be nice to everyone, so that completely blindsided me. What kind of place is aRO now? Even if the GMs weren't so corrupted, do I want to play on a server full of people like this? In the end, the answer was no.
I have heard many more things, ugly things, from not only the administration of AnimaRO but also the oldest players--things like the GMs themselves having characters and competing during WoE (1hit1kill and Kanemi are the ones most commonly mentioned), giving bots and +10 items/Super Quest Items away to the players they favored, and using the donations for their own personal gain, not for the good of the server. I do not believe the money we are all donating so eagerly is being used properly and well. I have been as patient as I can with this server full of bugs, dead cities, being unable to log in when you want, and insane amounts of lag. But with all the money we as a player base have poured into this server, I can see no more excuses I can give the GMs for providing such shoddy service. There are so many other, better-working, more updated servers. They don't have as many donations as we do, and they run on the same kind of server we use, AEGIS. On top of that, if the lag is bad, just get a new server--they've said and said and said that they've been looking for a server, and I've been patient. I can't be patient any more, especially not that I know all this now.
I heard that Pmak made a large show of owning up to 1hit1kill being a bot and retiring her. However, who's to know that Pmak didn't just rename the bot and/or change its class so he could continue using it? He certainly has a history of doing such things in the past for others--why not himself?
Have a good day ;D
Good for the truth. What happened, happened. Debbie has passed away, so leave it be. There is no more favoritism on AnimaRO.
My answers are in
redQuote from: Aryia on Sep 28, 2007, 03:41 PM
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 28, 2007, 03:37 PM
kill valk ?? people exploit a gitch to kill it and it was a GM who start it LOL. <-- Proof?
Do a search in RMS, you can find it here
Yeah 1 on 1 is not balanced, but when an IC champ can take out a guild of trans on his own or 2 high priests take out donator guilds on their own well LOL there's something wrong. <-- This is what happens when pros fight noobs.
Pro = paid 300$ ?
Support class kicking donkey ha ha ha well maybe with soul link but not with 5k+ envenom at 190 aspd. <-- In iRO, priests are VERY powerful, even in PvP.
Yeah powerful, but they dont take LKs and pallis down with no effort
Quote from: bensei on Sep 28, 2007, 01:18 PMSee, your right,
im wrong,
i hope i pleased your childish mind now?
Not really, thinking that you can "please" me like that rofl, face it anima has a lot of bad fame for broken classes and corruption denying it is pointless, ever heard the name windsong and her site about corruption ??
Here lemme quote some for you
Quote from: The Truth that has been proved a million times, from windy
Debbie, also known as Philip Mak (Pmak), has lied to the player base concerning his gender. He and GM Harken have gone out of their way to conceal the fact that Debbie is truly a man. This is such a trivial point, yes? But if the GMs would lie about something so trivial, who knows what else they're lying about?
Debbie is one of the leading developers of a botting program known as VisualKore. Not only is his alias "pmak" listed on the page of contributors, but look at this link: http://visualkore.aaanime.net/servers.php. "Personally guarantee," eh. Very fishy. [Windynote( 8/10/06): since I've had this page up, they've removed the "personal guarantee" that VisualKore works on AnimaRO, but I swear to you it was there before everyone left the server.]
Personally, the idea of a server that I loved and truly cared for being run by someone who creates bots disgusts me, and further serves to erode my trust in the GMs. If you create bots and get paid for selling those bots, for your own selfish gains you would want people to bot so that you could make money off of them, and wouldn't really care if they botted on your own server or not.
I have heard several ugly tie-ins with this; that Debbie has given bots and high-level items to high-level guilds, such as the Celestial99s and Sovereign, in a clear display of favoritism. Even if these uglier rumors are not true, it does not change the fact that Debbie is a bot developer, which only serves to destroy my confidence in the server further.
There is one specific case that comes to mind when I think of botting: Bundy, who was clearly botting and just as clearly caught by Lemina Ausa doing so, was never banned or punished for it because, according to the GMs, "despite the screencaps, we never caught him in the act." I honestly don't understand this. He was botting. He got caught. And yet he's gotten off scott-free and now he has an Assassin Cross of his very own to play with. Where is the justice in this? There is none!
The AnimaRO GM Team do not want this information getting out, and have repeatedly banned or deleted people's posts on the forum in an attempt to keep this quiet. Is anyone else bothered by this tyrannical stifling of free speech? If something is so bad that you have to work so hard at keeping it quiet, perhaps you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
The GMs utilize a system of bribery that totally disgusts me. Being able to pay your way out of jail? Being forced to pay ten dollars if you've been scammed--in short, being forced to pay the GMs for caring and doing their job? It doesn't matter if it's carelessness. You should not be penalized for being the victim! Their excuse was that every time they'd have to look up the logs to track down the scammer, everyone would be kicked out of the game. I would, personally, rather be kicked out of the game every now and then because the GMs have to help someone than make the victim pay.
And to allow people to pay their way out of jail is just sickening. For a price, the GMs will unban a person's bot, rename it, and set it loose for him or her to play with. To me, this displays the true greediness of the GMs, how willing they are to exploit the players: rewarding unruly players with too-light punishments, and hurting honest players by not only making them pay to have the GMs do their job, but also by allowing the bad players to run amok.
It doesn't matter to me that they've (probably) removed the charge for scamming assistance. The fact that, at one point, the GMs thought this could even hope to be a good idea still proves to me that they are not looking out for the best interests of the players, but their own interests, further eroding my faith in the GMs. And they're probably still taking bribery to unban bots or release people from jail early.
Debbie thought it would be okay to allow pornography onto the forums. This is similar to the case above. I don't care if the other GMs chewed Debbie out for it. How can Debbie hope to run a "pro-player server" if he thinks that putting pornography on a game which has 12-year-olds and younger playing upon it is okay? How can I count on a man who is so monumentally short-sighted?
Ultimately, I disagree with the GMs' outlook that exploiting bugs in the game is okay. (If you're wondering where I got this from, it's mentioned on the website the Pmak cites in Chat 3-2.) I will agree that this outlook has some merit. I'll readily agree that any glitch that is found by the players is the fault of the server, not the players. However, because the GMs think this, I cannot trust them to fairly deal with those that do find glitches and exploit them. Similarly, what do they consider a bot to be? Just another "glitch" in the game that can be freely used? At the moment I believe that the GMs don't care much about botting--"You can bot all you want, just don't get caught"--and that disgusts me.
The player base is eroding. AnimaRO used to be such a wonderful place; everyone was friendly and helpful. Suddenly, people have been getting scammed so often that the GMs feel it's okay--perhaps even necessary--to instate this ridiculous ten-dollar fine for trusting your fellow players. Perhaps there's a reason so many members were scammed--because the majority of players on this server used to be honorable people I was proud to be friends with. Now I have to constantly fear for my password, and I can't enjoy the game as I used to. KSing is rampant in GH prison [Windynote 2/14/07: Niffleheim too, these days], among other places, and people enjoy flaunting the rules concerning KSing and loot stealing. Krystal has said she has reported over 40 KSers, providing ample proof in the way of screencaps, and none of them have been punished. When I was on the server three days ago, I was cursed out on four separate occasions (by beggars or just people who were jerks) within the span of about two hours. I try really hard to be nice to everyone, so that completely blindsided me. What kind of place is aRO now? Even if the GMs weren't so corrupted, do I want to play on a server full of people like this? In the end, the answer was no.
I have heard many more things, ugly things, from not only the administration of AnimaRO but also the oldest players--things like the GMs themselves having characters and competing during WoE (1hit1kill and Kanemi are the ones most commonly mentioned), giving bots and +10 items/Super Quest Items away to the players they favored, and using the donations for their own personal gain, not for the good of the server. I do not believe the money we are all donating so eagerly is being used properly and well. I have been as patient as I can with this server full of bugs, dead cities, being unable to log in when you want, and insane amounts of lag. But with all the money we as a player base have poured into this server, I can see no more excuses I can give the GMs for providing such shoddy service. There are so many other, better-working, more updated servers. They don't have as many donations as we do, and they run on the same kind of server we use, AEGIS. On top of that, if the lag is bad, just get a new server--they've said and said and said that they've been looking for a server, and I've been patient. I can't be patient any more, especially not that I know all this now.
I heard that Pmak made a large show of owning up to 1hit1kill being a bot and retiring her. However, who's to know that Pmak didn't just rename the bot and/or change its class so he could continue using it? He certainly has a history of doing such things in the past for others--why not himself?
Have a good day ;D
Good for the truth. What happened, happened. Debbie has passed away, so leave it be. There is no more favoritism on AnimaRO.
You can say that.... whenever harken leaves, it was even better with debbie
Krystal, back up your claims, and then talk to me.
Look by yourself in RMS, look how every1 LOVES harken's great job.
Then you can talk here ;)
Do a search for serenity's posts, he even talks of how he owned pallis.
The SG glitch was in this topic I think, that's how they own valk with no effort.
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 28, 2007, 03:49 PM
Look by yourself in RMS, look how every1 LOVES harken's great job.
Then you can talk here ;)
Do a search for serenity's posts, he even talks of how he owned pallis.
The SG glitch was in this topic I think, that's how they own valk with no effort.
YES, BENSEI LIKES POSTING THINGS HUNDRED TIMES VERY VERY MUCH.
Its an Aegies server, said glitch can only be fixed with a new server episode.
I just see a huge quote of you with imformation in it, that isnt neccessarly the Truth. The link in it to bck the claims up leads to a 404 error, wow.
However after reading your posts im pretty sure about one thing,
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Ooooooor you got in trouble on anima, maybe you got even banned? it looks like your pretty angry over aRo, Im pretty sure there was something that makes you want to vent now.
Quote from: bensei on Sep 28, 2007, 04:02 PM
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 28, 2007, 03:49 PM
Look by yourself in RMS, look how every1 LOVES harken's great job.
Then you can talk here ;)
Do a search for serenity's posts, he even talks of how he owned pallis.
The SG glitch was in this topic I think, that's how they own valk with no effort.
YES, BENSEI LIKES POSTING THINGS HUNDRED TIMES VERY VERY MUCH.
Its an Aegies server, said glitch can only be fixed with a new server episode.
I just see a huge quote of you with imformation in it, that isnt neccessarly the Truth. The link in it to bck the claims up leads to a 404 error, wow.
However after reading your posts im pretty sure about one thing,
your either a troll, that likes to get attention by leading discussions into a nowhere
First of all, I sold my anima char I wasnt banned.
Yeah glitch cant be fixed so LET'S EXPLOIT IT woot !!! ?
Oh I'm sure I'd love attention .... for RL stuff and such, not for this crap 8)
Your insults (troll, attention seeker, w/e) are stuff people say in arguments when they are cornered or at least that's the most common use :o
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 28, 2007, 04:05 PM
Quote from: bensei on Sep 28, 2007, 04:02 PM
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 28, 2007, 03:49 PM
Look by yourself in RMS, look how every1 LOVES harken's great job.
Then you can talk here ;)
Do a search for serenity's posts, he even talks of how he owned pallis.
The SG glitch was in this topic I think, that's how they own valk with no effort.
YES, BENSEI LIKES POSTING THINGS HUNDRED TIMES VERY VERY MUCH.
Its an Aegies server, said glitch can only be fixed with a new server episode.
I just see a huge quote of you with imformation in it, that isnt neccessarly the Truth. The link in it to bck the claims up leads to a 404 error, wow.
However after reading your posts im pretty sure about one thing,
your either a troll, that likes to get attention by leading discussions into a nowhere
First of all, I sold my anima char I wasnt banned.
Yeah glitch cant be fixed so LET'S EXPLOIT IT woot !!! ?
Oh I'm sure I'd love attention .... for RL stuff and such, not for this crap 8)
Do me a favor, tell people who want to make money to not exploit that bug. You cant place a gm there to control the map 24/7 you know?
So ?? a server with HONEST and TRUTHFULL players dont need a GM on their butt to play without exploiting glitches.
Valk in aRO is much like any other MvP. Anyone is allowed to contest for it.
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 28, 2007, 04:11 PM
So ?? a server with HONEST and TRUTHFULL players dont need a GM on their butt to play without exploiting glitches.
You know, aro has 1+ players online a day, do oyu think everyone is honest and fair? seriously every server contains Such people, dont fool yourself.
Calling you a troll is not an insult. its just what i see here coming from you. You claim things and do not have any proof AT ALL. You are tying to create a anti-reaction, (with success btw) just for the sake of doing it. sorry but thats the definition of a troll.
Oh yeah there's always bad people but exploiting a glitch for ages and no1 gets punished is something else.
Go to windsong's site, you'll find a LIL proof there lol.
Oh and if all what windsong says are a bunch of crap, why did debbie and harken bother with DoS attacks (<<< ilegal btw) and legal action agaisnt it just to get it out.
I mean if it was just a bunch of crap, they could just show proof and every1 would ignore windy.
The best part is that when all their attacks failed they CLAIM ownership of all what windsong had posted (aka accept it's truth) and say that windy is stealing it lol
All details of what I just said can be found in her site.
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 28, 2007, 04:18 PM
Oh yeah there's always bad people but exploiting a glitch for ages and no1 gets punished is something else.
Go to windsong's site, you'll find a LIL proof there lol.
Oh and if all what windsong says are a bunch of crap, why did debbie and harken bother with DoS attacks (<<< ilegal btw) and legal action agaisnt it just to get it out.
I mean if it was just a bunch of crap, they could just show proof and every1 would ignore windy.
The best part is that when all their attacks failed they CLAIM ownership of all what windsong had posted (aka accept it's truth) and say that windy is stealing it lol
All details of what I just said can be found in her site.
The glitch is ALLOWED. It's not uber haxxed or anything, it just makes things die much faster cause you can cast heat a few more times. Boo hoo? aRO at the moment is lacking an Aegis coder, so nobody is really able to fix this glitch until they hire someone. Windsongs truth isn't much. Oh, Debbie's a guy, zomg, way to barge into someone's personal life. Half that stuff Windsong said was s***, FYI. Like I said, Debbie is gone now, the server is owned by someone else, and it's NOT corrupt.
i agree with aryia, i dont get how you can be so interested in peoples irl. Dont you all have a own to worry about?
Quote from: Aryia on Sep 28, 2007, 04:27 PMThe glitch is ALLOWED. It's not uber haxxed or anything, it just makes things die much faster cause you can cast heat a few more times. Boo hoo? aRO at the moment is lacking an Aegis coder, so nobody is really able to fix this glitch until they hire someone. Windsongs truth isn't much. Oh, Debbie's a guy, zomg, way to barge into someone's personal life. Half that stuff Windsong said was s***, FYI. Like I said, Debbie is gone now, the server is owned by someone else, and it's NOT corrupt.
Did you know that valk is suposed to be IMPOSIBLE to kill for magic users ??
Proof of what wind says is lies please ?? kthx
Here take a look
http://ro.truesource.info/search/mob/1751
Neutral 100
Water 0
Earth 0
Fire 0
Wind 0
Poison 0
Holy -100
Dark 200
Ghost 0
Undead 175
So a MVP goes from INMORTAL to EASIEST wow.
Allowing glitches now ?? wow aRO is worse than what I thought lol !!
I dont care much about their RL, exept for the lil detail that they fund it with the money that's suposed to go to their server.
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 28, 2007, 04:33 PM
Quote from: Aryia on Sep 28, 2007, 04:27 PMThe glitch is ALLOWED. It's not uber haxxed or anything, it just makes things die much faster cause you can cast heat a few more times. Boo hoo? aRO at the moment is lacking an Aegis coder, so nobody is really able to fix this glitch until they hire someone. Windsongs truth isn't much. Oh, Debbie's a guy, zomg, way to barge into someone's personal life. Half that stuff Windsong said was s***, FYI. Like I said, Debbie is gone now, the server is owned by someone else, and it's NOT corrupt.
Did you know that valk is suposed to be IMPOSIBLE to kill for magic users ??
Proof of what wind says is lies please ?? kthx
Here take a look
http://ro.truesource.info/search/mob/1751
Neutral 100
Water 0
Earth 0
Fire 0
Wind 0
Poison 0
Holy -100
Dark 200
Ghost 0
Undead 175
So a MVP goes from INMORTAL to EASIEST wow.
Allowing glitches now ?? wow aRO is worse than what I thought lol !!
I dont care much about their RL, exept for the lil detail that they fund it with the money that's suposed to go to their server.
So when did we start talking about magic? Anyways, that glitch is not game breaking - it's not much of a threat, and it's been fine so far. Everyone is allowed it, it's just like... Lets say, wavedashing in super smash bros melee. Windsongs truth is literally nothing. It's just a bunch of useless information - Debbie is gone, so why keep bringing it up? So what if they use some of the money from donations for their own being? Of course, 20,000 support tickets, with many hours spent into it, is all just done for free. No, not quite. If you want a server with LOTS of people, WITHOUT donations, good luck. Not many people are motivated to bust their donkey for 20k people for free.
Quote from: Aryia on Sep 28, 2007, 04:43 PMIt's just a bunch of useless information
Prooof... ?? ??? ??? ???
Proof of what? The information being useless? Well, okay, Debbie wasn't her real name... So what? It seems pretty useless. It's like saying bananas are yellow.
I read windsongs page now, and i dont know what oh so shocking things it should contain. its indeed pretty worthless information, all on one page.
Wow, harken and other gms know how to do bots? Yes, that makes me want to never visit aro again. And yes, Do me a favor, rent a server, get animas population and do that work for free, over years. seriously who the hell are you to expect from peopel to do such a work for free?
Funny tho is how wind mixes up sentences in the short versions, proably he/she/it assumed that noone would read the whol posts lol. You believe persons that obviously want to s*** talk, and twist arround words?
Yes proof please
Quote from: bensei on Sep 28, 2007, 04:51 PMWow, harken and other gms know how to do bots? Yes, that makes me want to never visit aro again. And yes, Do me a favor, rent a server, get animas population and do that work for free, over years. seriously who the hell are you to expect from peopel to do such a work for free?
Know how to make'em, sell them and post link to anima in the botting site, wow great !!
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 28, 2007, 04:53 PM
Yes proof please
Quote from: bensei on Sep 28, 2007, 04:51 PMWow, harken and other gms know how to do bots? Yes, that makes me want to never visit aro again. And yes, Do me a favor, rent a server, get animas population and do that work for free, over years. seriously who the hell are you to expect from peopel to do such a work for free?
Know how to make'em, sell them and post link to anima in the botting site, wow great !!
Okay, but those people who bought those bots and tried them in anima were just banned anyways, lulz. If harken had a side job of hooker would you cry?
Quote from: Aryia on Sep 28, 2007, 04:56 PM
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 28, 2007, 04:53 PM
Yes proof please
Quote from: bensei on Sep 28, 2007, 04:51 PMWow, harken and other gms know how to do bots? Yes, that makes me want to never visit aro again. And yes, Do me a favor, rent a server, get animas population and do that work for free, over years. seriously who the hell are you to expect from peopel to do such a work for free?
Know how to make'em, sell them and post link to anima in the botting site, wow great !!
Okay, but those people who bought those bots and tried them in anima were just banned anyways, lulz. If harken had a side job of hooker would you cry?
Ah I wish that bold part was true :(
Do yourself a favor and check the logs of banned bots please (or better when the forums are up again D; /swt )
Name change, get paid more money and let'em back in :-\ that's so common in animaRO.
P.D. I wont get to reply again in like 3 hours
Uhm, no. Even assuming that happened, DEBBIE IS GONE. GET OVER IT, KRYSTAL. While you're at it, learn to READ.
So ?? wow refresh and ur post came
Harken cant do it too ? lol
I never say DEBBIE is the only one that does it :-\ read please ?
Well I'll reply to whatever u say now in some hours. cya
In theory, ANYONE could be corrupt. I don't see where you're getting at.
ITT people don't know what the f*** they're talking about.
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Quote from: Transcend on Sep 28, 2007, 06:57 PM
Why are you guys so eager to post here about how 'great' anima is :O?
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And again....
And again what? <_< That was a simple question. He wasn't bashing nor anything else. You completely blew off the actual rulebreaker who posted ABOVE him. Did you click the wrong guy or what?
[Emmie: whathever; I'll get flamed for this one soon; and no, the below warning was given by someone else][/color]
Why are you guys so eager to post here about how 'great' anima is :O?
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And again....
Yes any1 could be corrupt, but when you find out that someone is you shouldnt shut up you should spread it out.
Quote from: Xennith on Sep 28, 2007, 06:08 PMITT people don't know what the f*** they're talking about.
lol look who's here !
Quote from: Xennith on Sep 28, 2007, 06:08 PM
ITT people don't know what the f*** they're talking about.
It goes to show, every community has bias. And I NEVER agree with xennith >:
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 28, 2007, 07:43 PM
Yes any1 could be corrupt, but when you find out that someone is you shouldnt shut up you should spread it out.
lol look who's here !
Debbie passed away. How many times do I have to tell you? Harken =/= Debbie.
Once again, I would like to remind everyone that how AnimaRO operates is up to AnimaRO. You, as a player, select the server you want to play on yourself. If you think that something that they imposed is unfair, you cannot bring it up for debate as that is how the server wants to be ran. I have started to warn people who keep going "DONATION SYSTEM SUX".
Also, there have been a lot of 1:1 discussions and insults. If you want to go flame each other, go do it in a PM so you can feel proud of your internet achievements. Just don't go crying when you see a mysterious girl with orange hair carrying a hatchet outside of your door.
Quote from: Riotblade on Sep 28, 2007, 10:26 PM
Once again, I would like to remind everyone that how AnimaRO operates is up to AnimaRO. You, as a player, select the server you want to play on yourself. If you think that something that they imposed is unfair, you cannot bring it up for debate as that is how the server wants to be ran. I have started to warn people who keep going "DONATION SYSTEM SUX".
Key Message; finally. I seriously do hope this "omg aro suxxooorz because of a donation system" is from the table now. Other servers do have donation systems too, kthx.
Also, since i think you aimed that last part at me ;3
I know i used a sharp tongue at times, but so do other people in here too (especially people you shouldnt expect it of). Give and take. Threat people with respect and you get said respect back. ^_^
Quote from: Transcend on Sep 28, 2007, 06:57 PM
Why are you guys so eager to post here about how 'great' anima is :O?
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And again....
Because its the server we play on and we love?
Other question: Why are you so eager to post how bad anima is? Or do you simply want to +1 your post count here?
Quote from: Aryia on Sep 28, 2007, 09:58 PMDebbie passed away. How many times do I have to tell you? Harken =/= Debbie.
True, debbie was good compared to harken.
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 29, 2007, 02:43 AM
Quote from: Aryia on Sep 28, 2007, 09:58 PMDebbie passed away. How many times do I have to tell you? Harken =/= Debbie.
True, debbie was good compared to harken.
You don't know a thing about either of them, sadly, so why don't you stay out of their personal life? Sure, Harken may have made a few mistakes/bad decisions, the only one I can think of at the moment is just an opinionated one.
Seriously... Feel free to bash the server on it's weaknesses, but.. You're arguing without anything to hold your post up. All I've heard from you is some whining about the heat glitch (with improper game knowledge), and some unproved things that Debbie may have done (and, if done, it doesn't really... Make a difference?).
Anyone that doeas a 2 min search in RMS can know a lil "THING" about harken, + it's even better if u got anima players on your msn ;D
Yes, because rumours and trash talk give you a real good insight into a server.
Stay on the topic, and dont get excuses out of the GMs real life for not having any valid, ontopic arguements.
I personally couldnt care less who harken or debbie or whoever is in real life, or what they do beside anima.
The topic is anima, not harkens personal life, wich we have no right to talk about.
I always expected rms, to give insights in the server, not the gms real life. Now, what would it show us about a server quality if harken knows how to work with bots? Absolutely nothing.
That discussion is going into direction i do not like, its aiming at persons irl.
The only things that matters, are the work that the gms do for anima. Not what they do besides anima, not what they did before anima, Just what they do FOR Anima.
However, Aryia pretty much proved the last arguements about the in game balance in terms of valk gears wrong.
Not only that anima seems to have less Coders atm to fix such a glitch, the glitch doesnt imbalance anything at all, it just lets people kill valk ~faster~. But it is killeable at any rate.
So the advantages anima does have:
Semi balanced game play: As i said ro is imbalanced to begin with, however anima ~tries~ to balance things here and there, sometimes with success, sometimes without. Some sqi are indeed imbalanced, but it sadly needs a lot of testing, wich itselfs takes a lot time, to make such items really balanced.
Friendly gms: All in all every gm is friendly. They do the job they are supposed to do, and are also pretty active in the forums. Harken personally answers newbie questions from time to time, wich i notice a lot lately.
Stable servers: Ok, every now and then a server crash's, but i assume every server has such problems every now and then. All in all you can always access anima.
Also it does weekly server maintanances, to keep the game lagfree, and update sqi's with new discussed nerfs/buffs and such stuff.
Friendly community: The anima community is awesome,i never got caught by any forum, but i pretty much love to spend time on the aro forums, to chit chat with people. Of course a lot in game people are nice too, you can always ask for help, and someone who has time and feels like doing something good, will help you out. however, of course there are a few mean people too, but you cant avoid something like that, can you?
Donation System: That being said, im not a fan of people that just join the game, donate a donkey load of money and try to dominate pvp. However to this game belongs more than only gears. The skill lvl does indeed play an important role, Having good gears doesnt neccessarly mean you are good.
Also the donation system, makes it easier for new comers to get cheap gears from other players, without donating. Did you ever compare the prices between servers? On Anima its fairly easy to farm and sell loots, for the gears of your dreams. (well easy compared to other servers; However you need to work of course)
Woe: Woe is ok, im seeing a few guilds/alliances, becoming stronger atm, and looking forward to fight them someday. The woe is semi balanced, of course there are big gear differences between guilds, but especially here people can prove that gear isnt everything.
pvp: Dominated by the strongest, thats how Ro's pvp works always. That not ~special~ on anima.
On every server youll find people that dominte the pvp, because they are stronger compared to others.
However, not everyone is "omgz super 1337", actually its pretty easy to find people on your level (gear and skill wise) To fight with.
Rules: They are a bit hard at times, but its good for a server to have hard rules after all. You just need to read, and especially understand the rules before playing, and your perfectly fine when you follow them. However, is theres anything you dont understand in the rules, you can always ask in the forums for clarification.
Rules breakers get punished, dont break the rules and your fine. thats how things are supposed to work.
Player can report everyone and everything, in the report sections or support tickets, and with enough proof (in form of screenshots mostly) People get their fair punishment for their doings.
Just have a look in prontera, the capital of rune midgard, and compare aro with other servers, although its crowded 24/7, its very organized, merchants have their vending spaces at the side walk, and its fun to just "window shop" from time to time ^^;
Updates: Well the old topic, updates need ages, since its an aegis server; However the gms do updates, on the things they can.
Events: It were less in the past few month, but i just assume that was due to the passing of debbie, and the left work that had to be done with less gms than before. Its becoming a bit better again now, we have hide and seeks here and there, a week or so ago we had a big mvp summoning event. But the biggest events usually are on special days, like easter etc.
I think thats pretty much how i think about aro, of course not everything is perfect, but honestly, wich server is?
Feel free to argue about my opinion, ill be glad to elaborate more if need be.
Rumors ? just because they disagree with you (they confirm aro's corruption & all the stuff every1 can find in RMS) doesnt mean it's crap ::)
O but what they do is related to anima.
Use it's money for personal life yeah ok an admin can take his money woe w/e but on the donation page it says it's a donation to THE SERVER not the owner's pocket.
Changing rule breaker's name and letting'em back in for more money ??
Make a bot and tell every1 it works in your server ?? LOL
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 29, 2007, 10:34 AM
Rumors ? just because they disagree with you (they confirm aro's corruption & all the stuff every1 can find in RMS) doesnt mean it's crap ::)
O but what they do is related to anima.
Use it's money for personal life yeah ok an admin can take his money woe w/e but on the donation page it says it's a donation to THE SERVER not the owner's pocket.
Changing rule breaker's name and letting'em back in for more money ??
Make a bot and tell every1 it works in your server ?? LOL
Again your going into points that didnt were the point of my post, as you tend to do.
The donation money goes to the server, the gms are the server, since thy work on and for it. I said it earlier, Seeing how the gms work pretty long times on the server a day, its just fair that they take money from it for themselfs. As far as i know the donation page doesnt say "we only buy new machines for your donation mone!!11one".
I highly doubt any server owner, invest the whole money he gets from donations into the server.
Also, it isnt related to anima, your basing everything on the fact "Because they are the gms of animaro, their whole lifes is related to it! Thats complete s***, however harken earns his money besides anima is not relevant to our interests, nor do we have a right to know. Yes, that includes that you also have no right to judge people by the way they earn their money.
Harken explained on that windsong page, that the gms use bots, to make everyday works easier. But wait, as i guess you just read the mixed up conclusions wind song made under every post, because thats exactly the way you argue.
Most of the s*** that people talk in here are rumours, everything that doesnt harken says himself, or is proved by any valid screenshot or something similar IS a rumour.However, funny is, if harken wanted to get so much money out of that bot thing, why doesnt he advertise it in his own animaro forums? He could say that bots are allowed, and many people would be really happy about it and flood the server. Your not making much sense with that point.
Botters do get banned, if people meet botters in game, they can easily notice it, since the gms teached us how to in several threads. And once a player sees one its reported, and banned ASAP.
Also,
Quote from: Krystalx on Sep 29, 2007, 10:34 AM
Changing rule breaker's name and letting'em back in for more money ??
Make a bot and tell every1 it works in your server ?? LOL
You, who is telling me that all this arent rumours, should be easily able to show us proof for it. =)
Stop trying to be sarcastic, your not doing well ;p
At least im glad i convinced you in my other points of the post above, since you didnt had to say anything about it =3
Edit....... novel.. again.. /facepalm
Proof of all can be found in RMS, do a lil search.
Just to tell you, the majority of the people on anima know about all that stuff and still choose to play,
which must mean~ It's pretty damn good. Please stop hating just for the sake of hating, you don't play on the
server(anymore?), I don't know why you feel the need to disrespect it so much. No one has said anything about your server.
And I have a feeling Axegunner made this topic just to see a fight, so please lock this thing or something. Not like there aren't enough topics here bashing anima.
Quote from: Ruru on Sep 30, 2007, 12:57 AM
And I have a feeling Axegunner made this topic just to see a fight, so please lock this thing or something. Not like there aren't enough topics here bashing anima.
Possible. *looks at thread title*
Quote from: Ruru on Sep 30, 2007, 12:57 AMNot like there aren't enough topics here bashing anima.
This is the only one right now, rest are locked I think :-\
XD I find the whole 'You need uber gears to win in PvP' and this is why people hate the donation system funny. I have a ...98? Crusader with no MvP or kahos or valk or any of that and go into PvP and Kill trans with all of that. The donation system makes getting MvP gear easier but you can always find it in game off another player and such.
Also if the GMs are always working on the server they deserve some pay like any other job Oo do you go to work you enjoy without expecting pay? Not usually.
Anyways I really don't care what the RMS servers say about Anima because in the end most of the community play there, don't really care, or can't look at both sides. ^^
And yeah it probably should be locked. Anything to do with anima should probably be blocked on this forums as rule of thumb as it always devolves into fighting.
Simple fact.
1. How many player online we have in animaro? Minimal 700 and 2K during Woe.
2. How many RO server in the similar category (Low Rate) have that number of player? i do a search 4mths ago - ZERO. Now ? 0 or 1....
3. While the plauer playing online is consistent , pls remember RO is relative OLD games especially with Aegis 10.4.. generally less attraction...
All these fact indicate one thing ---> Not greatest but one of the Best
Bensei,
If people want to find a reason to critic, there is always some... why care..
Quote from: dputra705 on Oct 01, 2007, 01:49 AM
Bensei,
If people want to find a reason to critic, there is always some... why care..
Too true.
I think one of the most irritating things for me in topics like these is how much people like to talk s*** about GM Harken. It's as if people think they know all about how a person is when they come across rumors and hear-say. Too many people get it in their heads that they have it "all figured out". Aryia doesn't know. Bensei doesn't know. Krystal doesn't know. Riotblade doesn't know. Nobody else posting in this topic can fairly say that they know how or who Harken is, because none of them actually know Harken. Every single day I see what Harken does for this server, firsthand, and watch how much effort gets put into things. Harken is not perfect, he's human just like anyone else, but he's honestly doing the best he can, and I can damn well guarantee you that he's doing a better job of things than most people like to give him credit for.
Players don't see what goes on in GM-land. They don't get the extent of the trials and tribulations that go into the administrative process for ANY Game Master. Be it HeRO, TalonRO, VisciousRO, AnimaRO, or any other server, players don't know what's going on, and on a server as complex and populated as AnimaRO, with as much history and as many services as we have to offer, it's certainly not easier for anyone. The fact that people get a tiny bit of insight into rumors that filter down to the players over time, and then assume they're suddenly "In the know", is the bane of a community. There's some really good insight into this and the way the staff feels about things on the AnimaRO Blog.
On a personal level, the thing I hate most is seeing people badmouth someone who has been a great personal friend of mine every time I look at an RO forum. I know how much Harken has done, and continues to do in spite of people who like to say that he's "Ruining things", and it's disappointing that so many people are deciding to say terrible things about him when evidence shows that the large majority of players enjoy the server, and are happy with the way events progress.
Theres people seriously still going on about this crap?
I've said this before, I'll say it again, I don't hate Harken, I don't know him well enough to like/dislike the man. I agree with some of his decisions, and disagree with others. The only problem I've had with the man, is that he tends to push his opinion roughly, and when brought other points of view, tends to like to shut them down, even if they're obviously > his. Does this mean he is a jerk, or a bad GM? No, it just means he is a bit egotistical. Which is no worse than many of the players on the server, hell I'm guilty of the s*** myself. Anyway, aside from his attitude/public persona, I don't really care what he does with the money, just as long as the bills for the server are being paid, and the thing is updated/upgraded when need be. You could show me a pic you found of him with a new Maseratti and a stack of hundreds on the hood with "thanks to aRO" painted on the side of it, I honestly wouldnt care. You can't honestly tell me that if you made the rumored 200+k a year that aRO apparently makes, that you would spend it on nothing but the server, that every single dime will go into maintenance and bills and you wouldn't reward yourself in any shape,way or form. Even if the man doesn't do too much, and does few tickets, he keeps the server going, keeps the staff (for the most part) paid and working, and handles s*** when it needs to be handled. There were days where it was like 6am in the morning, and the server went down, so one of the sub GMs contacted him, apparently waking him up to inform him of it. So what does he do? He either called Therm on it, or did it himself, either way, he kept it going and kept people happy. Do his personal motives regarding cash really matter? How does morality in one's personal life affect their running of a server? Some GMs make a server for fun, Some make a server to reflect their ideal server settings,and others do it for profit, none of their reasons for making the server matter imo, as long as they are keeping the server up, taking care of it's problems, and keeping the general player base happy, thats all that should matter.
On a side note: I keep reading this crap about the donation system and how donators rule the server and its economy. And most of these comments seem to be coming from people that have only played for like 2 months, or people that have never played at all, and are just basing their opinions on biased rumors, and what they saw on the website ("ZOMG, $100 for kaho?! screw this server").
Donators do in fact have a large impact on the community, but not in a negative way, in fact its in a positive way imo.
Its pretty awesome when you can stroll the streets of pront, see a GR card for 18mill, then the next day, see it for 17.5mill,
Where MVP carded gears can run at pretty low prices. Why is this? Because the donators keep the cards and gears flowing in the market, and since theres so many, and moderate demand, they can afford to sell them cheap. If you don't believe me, check out tRO, they have hardly any donators, and their MVP cards/gears are at least 25% more expensive than aRO's. Now about Donators ruling the server, this is totally and utterly false. Harken doesn't run things like Debbie did, He isn't as great in some areas, but one area i can applaud him in, is the fact that he has little room for bs. Go ahead and get banned, then offer him $30+ to get unbanned, see what happens @_@.
Not to mention he runs a right ship with his staff, so if theres favoritism,etc going on, he's sure to jump on them for it.
Donators also have no rule in PvP, if you actually go to pvp, and hang out for a while, you'll notice its the truly skilled players that dominate pvp, the only way your sure to get whooped, is if you face someone who is caking or get ganged. And this actually doesnt happen as often as it used to.
Anyway, All I have to say, to cap this off is, I've been playing this server for almost 2 years now, and it really annoys the hell out of me when I see people bashing the server, when they haven't even played here, or haven't played long enough to actually get a good view of the server.
Also while were on the subject:
Patience:
I played on Anima for about 2 or 3 yrs. Stablility is horrible, very laggy! Have only seen a GM once in all that time. You mean there are GM's? Donaters rule this server. Therefore class balance is very poor. Guild Competition: If you donate then you are in the "elite" guilds. Way too much drama on this server.
Its comments like this that make me think this person was a noob for a long time, or they're just a liar. I dont need to state my reasons why, any aRO vet could tell you @_@
Forgive me for being so blunt and jumbled, I just got back from work a bit ago and I got this headache, thanks to this damn flu lol.
Anyway, thats my view on this, and some facts or w/e. I'll use better Rhetoric when I actually need to @_@.
Disclaimer: I'm not biased for aRO and these opinions are my own, I am also in no way shape or form bashing tRO, I was just using them as an example.
Quote from: Transcend on Sep 28, 2007, 06:57 PM
Why are you guys so eager to post here about how 'great' anima is :O?
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And again....
And again what? <_< That was a simple question. He wasn't bashing nor anything else. You completely blew off the actual rulebreaker who posted ABOVE him. Did you click the wrong guy or what?
Quote from: Ambrosemerle on Oct 06, 2007, 11:50 AM
Quote from: Transcend on Sep 28, 2007, 06:57 PM
Why are you guys so eager to post here about how 'great' anima is :O?
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And again....
And again what? <_< That was a simple question. He wasn't bashing nor anything else. You completely blew off the actual rulebreaker who posted ABOVE him. Did you click the wrong guy or what?
Simple question? I just found out that the board rules say "dont troll" now... what are some people doing /hmm
Just to chime in, I believe good ol' Krystal was banned for botting, hacking or scamming. One of the three(maybe all of the 3, but I know it was one for sure @_@), so my question is, why should anyone ever listen to you?
Quote from: bensei on Oct 07, 2007, 03:45 AM
Quote from: Ambrosemerle on Oct 06, 2007, 11:50 AM
Quote from: Transcend on Sep 28, 2007, 06:57 PM
Why are you guys so eager to post here about how 'great' anima is :O?
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And again....
And again what? <_< That was a simple question. He wasn't bashing nor anything else. You completely blew off the actual rulebreaker who posted ABOVE him. Did you click the wrong guy or what?
Simple question? I just found out that the board rules say "dont troll" now... what are some people doing /hmm
Could you define trolling please :)? just for a reference.. for me.
Trolling (Definition 1)
Trolling is the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet, generally on message boards. When done in a moderated internet community, this can result in banning.
Trolling (Definition 2)
Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can.
Guy: "I just found the coolest ninja pencil in existence."
Other Guy: "I just found the most retarded thread in existence."
Trolling (Definition 3)
Act of appearing on internet forums and boards with malicious intent. Trolling includes...
-baiting people to flame at you
-putting the forum down and encouraging people to leave.
-flaming
-spamming
-using several identities on a board to support your own arguments / stage pretend arguments
-generally being a d*** on a power trip.
Some trolls claim they're actions benefit others. These trolls are also twats
Post1
did you see the way that guy was trolling?
Post2
yep, he got banned.
Post3
i just filled in another account. you guys are ****. why did you ban me? im gonna spam the place up for that!!
Ripped straight from Urban Dictionary, lolz
then that was an invalid warning becuase that post wasn't within any of those definitions. Either it's somehting else or someone was angry and venting when they warned. -.- WHo warned him anyways. Maybe whoever warned him could elaborate better...
Quote from: Ambrosemerle on Oct 08, 2007, 07:32 PM
then that was an invalid warning becuase that post wasn't within any of those definitions. Either it's somehting else or someone was angry and venting when they warned. -.- WHo warned him anyways. Maybe whoever warned him could elaborate better...
I think you didnt completely read the definitions, because i find it fits surprisingly well.
-baiting people to flame at you
-spamming
Just 2 examples how much it hits the definition.
Also <3 raru for posting it, saved me the time of doing it on my own D;
Quote from: Kuzaki on Oct 08, 2007, 11:37 AM
Just to chime in, I believe good ol' Krystal was banned for botting, hacking or scamming. One of the three(maybe all of the 3, but I know it was one for sure @_@), so my question is, why should anyone ever listen to you?
As if i didnt smell it. She sounded way too -angry- in her opinions, i was damn sure that there was something.
However, anima does punish rulebreakers, this is the wrong place to cry about it.
Quote from: Kuzaki on Oct 08, 2007, 11:37 AM
Just to chime in, I believe good ol' Krystal was banned for botting, hacking or scamming. One of the three(maybe all of the 3, but I know it was one for sure @_@), so my question is, why should anyone ever listen to you?
uh what ?? I sold my account. So unless any of that happen in the last 5 months it wasnt me and I doubt the guy who got my account would bot... (who'd bot with a 9x sniper with good gears anyway...)
I was never involved in any hacking, scamming or botting.
Only scam incident where my name show up is when some1 lend me ilegal kahos (he stole'em from idk who....).
Any proof to back up any of your claims ? if not then stop lieing, thanks.
So my claim is, why should any1 listen to YOU if you are accusing me with no proof ??
Oh yeah the other day I heard you got banned for hacking servers !!! take my word for it I got no proof! lol ??
Funny your account was registered on october 08 and only made a post then hasnt loged on ever again hm...
... I was talking about transcend. He simply asked "why is anima ro so popular anyways?"
That's not asking for a fight nor any other such thing, that's him being curious. That's why I want to hear it fro mthe person who warned him whyhe got warned for asking that question.
Quote from: Ambrosemerle on Oct 09, 2007, 10:32 AM
... I was talking about transcend. He simply asked "why is anima ro so popular anyways?"
That's not asking for a fight nor any other such thing, that's him being curious. That's why I want to hear it fro mthe person who warned him whyhe got warned for asking that question.
Quote from: Transcend on Sep 28, 2007, 06:57 PM
Why are you guys so eager to post here about how 'great' anima is :O?
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And again....
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I stand by my statement : \ I've read over the posts and kinda wonder myself, especially when I find some of these people didn't even play it and similar such things. I see it as a question, and still see uncertainty in calling it a trolling attempt. You want to see trollets, go to snapesnoggers deviantart page and look at all the trollrs she's got atm : / they're relentless!
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 09, 2007, 09:20 AM
Quote from: Kuzaki on Oct 08, 2007, 11:37 AM
Just to chime in, I believe good ol' Krystal was banned for botting, hacking or scamming. One of the three(maybe all of the 3, but I know it was one for sure @_@), so my question is, why should anyone ever listen to you?
uh what ?? I sold my account. So unless any of that happen in the last 5 months it wasnt me and I doubt the guy who got my account would bot... (who'd bot with a 9x sniper with good gears anyway...)
I was never involved in any hacking, scamming or botting.
Only scam incident where my name show up is when some1 lend me ilegal kahos (he stole'em from idk who....).
Any proof to back up any of your claims ? if not then stop lieing, thanks.
So my claim is, why should any1 listen to YOU if you are accusing me with no proof ??
Oh yeah the other day I heard you got banned for hacking servers !!! take my word for it I got no proof! lol ??
Funny your account was registered on october 08 and only made a post then hasnt loged on ever again hm...
Yeah, I just randomly decided to check out RMS, besides the only way I would be able to provide evidence is when the site gets back up, and it did NOT happen in the last 5 months, I believe it happened last year.
@krystal, thats how rumours sadly work. Noone of you has a proof so basically both could be right or wrong.
However, it'd explain quite a lot if Kuzaki said the truth =/
So from what you're saying.
I got banned for all of that crap, then SOMEHOW sold my ALREADY BANNED ACCOUNT and the one who buy it SOMEHOW managed to get in and play with the BANNED ACCOUNT ?? LOL
Doesnt make sense.
How come I can still check forums too ??
I was SUSPENDED once for trying to sell my account thru forums then debbie unsuspend me like .... a bit less than a year ago ? When forums get back up if I can find my old password I'll take a screenie of debb's pm just to shut you up lol
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 10, 2007, 02:44 PM
How come I can still check forums too ??
Forum banned =/= In game banned.
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 10, 2007, 02:44 PM
So from what you're saying.
I got banned for all of that crap, then SOMEHOW sold my ALREADY BANNED ACCOUNT and the one who buy it SOMEHOW managed to get in and play with the BANNED ACCOUNT ?? LOL
Doesnt make sense.
How come I can still check forums too ??
I was SUSPENDED once for trying to sell my account thru forums then debbie unsuspend me like .... a bit less than a year ago ? When forums get back up if I can find my old password I'll take a screenie of debb's pm just to shut you up lol
Nope, you being suspended for trying to sell your account illegally
still takes a good enough shot at your credibility. Theres my evidence, haha.
I'm not entering the argument, I just decided to browse some old threads and ran across this:
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Quote from: Krystalx
Get over it, debbie is dead. Serenity made it clear.
Yeah he banned me, he scam me, he scam my friends, he ban a lot more for unfair reasons, he did a lot of bad crap but he's DEAD.
Even dead what he did was REALLY bad, but he was still HUMAN like YOU and ME so have some respect for a fallen one of your own race, even if you didnt like him.
Quote from: Raruri on Oct 11, 2007, 12:02 AM
I'm not entering the argument, I just decided to browse some old threads and ran across this:
(If you can't see the pic clearly, click on the link underneath)
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http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb76/Dragonuri/Reference.jpg
Quote from: Krystalx
Get over it, debbie is dead. Serenity made it clear.
Yeah he banned me, he scam me, he scam my friends, he ban a lot more for unfair reasons, he did a lot of bad crap but he's DEAD.
Even dead what he did was REALLY bad, but he was still HUMAN like YOU and ME so have some respect for a fallen one of your own race, even if you didnt like him.
Before you go ahead and say "But he banned me because he didn't like me", that's something A LOT of people say when they get banned from a server. They try and make the GMs look like the bad guys.
Quote from: Kuzaki on Oct 10, 2007, 08:23 PM
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 10, 2007, 02:44 PM
So from what you're saying.
I got banned for all of that crap, then SOMEHOW sold my ALREADY BANNED ACCOUNT and the one who buy it SOMEHOW managed to get in and play with the BANNED ACCOUNT ?? LOL
Doesnt make sense.
How come I can still check forums too ??
I was SUSPENDED once for trying to sell my account thru forums then debbie unsuspend me like .... a bit less than a year ago ? When forums get back up if I can find my old password I'll take a screenie of debb's pm just to shut you up lol
Nope, you being suspended for trying to sell your account illegally
still takes a good enough shot at your credibility. Theres my evidence, haha.
Ilegally ?? every1 sold their accounts in forums then when I try to sell it they make up this rule of no account trading blah blah blah anyway yeah it's still bad but you seee...
The lil detail is he also also UNBAN me after tiff and I have a chat with him and I sold my account thru msn to Sykotic for items in roforever and his guild wars account.
Syk r you reading these forums, if so post here to shut these people up lol.
So are animaro forums back up ?? cant wait to take screenie of debb's pm telling me I'm free to log in.
Btw you say I hack/scam/something else, where's the evidence of all that ?
As much as krystal was a crap player on AnimaRO, She WAS temp-banned for selling in game items for money. However, at that time it wasn't a crime. Both Itakou and Capone(IIRC) had just posted their accounts and (I'll throw out the term illegitimate gears, though that term doesn't really hold. You could buy megs for money early on. Then you couldn't get them through any method, making it really hard for newer people to go up against champs with them) were selling them for money. GM's at the time had said sure to that. (I don't recall what GM it was... If I said Elric I'd laugh on principle...) Because it was the people selling them. Then others tried it and ALL OF A SUDDEN, "WTF ARE YOU DOING?" BANNED! Then after a week or so those people that were trying to sell them got unbanned and the official rule (wither official already or not) was put into force. And that is what they are at now. So if you are honestly going to lower her credibility for that, have fun. (Though her arguments in this do very little to sway anyone to begin with, so meh)
And seriously, Bensei and krystal should just stop posting. Take it to PM's. It's like hitting yourself with a brick, reading your dribble.
Quote from: Orguss on Oct 11, 2007, 12:35 PM
As much as krystal was a crap player on AnimaRO, She WAS temp-banned for selling in game items for money. However, at that time it wasn't a crime. Both Itakou and Capone(IIRC) had just posted their accounts and (I'll throw out the term illegitimate gears, though that term doesn't really hold. You could buy megs for money early on. Then you couldn't get them through any method, making it really hard for newer people to go up against champs with them) were selling them for money. GM's at the time had said sure to that. (I don't recall what GM it was... If I said Elric I'd laugh on principle...) Because it was the people selling them. Then others tried it and ALL OF A SUDDEN, "WTF ARE YOU DOING?" BANNED! Then after a week or so those people that were trying to sell them got unbanned and the official rule (wither official already or not) was put into force. And that is what they are at now. So if you are honestly going to lower her credibility for that, have fun. (Though her arguments in this do very little to sway anyone to begin with, so meh)
And seriously, Bensei and krystal should just stop posting. Take it to PM's. It's like hitting yourself with a brick, reading your dribble.
I personally dont see why i should stop posting in the thread wich is about the server i love to play in. If people say stupid things, i point it out, even when i sound a bit blunt at times.
Also, noone would lower her credibility for that, i just argued the same way she/he did earlier.
However, i have no personal grudge against her, or anything like that. If my posts made you think so, i have to excuse i guess. Its just that she phrased most of her posts in a rather blunt way, so i decided to be blunt as well.
I just hate to argue with people that think their opinion is right, no matter what. Everyone is allowed to have his own opinion of course, but dont force people to think the same way you do.
Example: Korean games are supposed to depend completely on luck!!!!11shiftone
However, thanks for pointing that put again, not that the fact krystal got banned has anything to do with the thread itselfs, but it explains her obvious deep grudge for anima.
It has nothing to do with stupidity, except perhaps on your part. It has to do with the fact that not one of your posts has brought any sort of... substance... to this thread. You're bickering. That's it. You want to bring an air of intelligence to a server that is constantly debased? Here's a hint, don't post. You only make it worse. Let people who have a halfway decent chance of debate, like Illisuun, post.
Yes bensei korean games are based on luck that's why there's a % chance for everything, if you really hate it you can move to other non-luck based type of games.
I was banned for more than a week and I wasnt selling any specific in game item, it was the whole account with 3 chars and all the equips.
Grudge ? I got unbanned and got some stuff thx to selling the account (stuff in another server and a guild wars account). I aint posting this coz "oooh i got banned once!"
Orguss I wasnt a crap player, unless I had some sort of hidden hate club or whatever coz I as far as I know was with silver legions, avp and KSmachine's and we were all really good friends well cant hope for every1 to like you :o It's not like you were any good :-\
Quote from: Orguss on Oct 11, 2007, 02:13 PM
It has nothing to do with stupidity, except perhaps on your part. It has to do with the fact that not one of your posts has brought any sort of... substance... to this thread. You're bickering. That's it. You want to bring an air of intelligence to a server that is constantly debased? Here's a hint, don't post. You only make it worse. Let people who have a halfway decent chance of debate, like Illisuun, post.
Its getting interesting again i guess. So, forcing other people to believe their opinion about something isnt stupid? I dont get why my post is supposed to bring a "substance" to the thread. Because the only people who would actually be able to, are the ones that know their s***. The gms themself.
The only reason why i even bothered posting here, was seeing people arguing like dumb childs, and trying to make other people believe their right. Yes sir, i do think thats stupid, and if i see such s***, i WILL argue against that.
If people say a server is crap because of a donation system, it is stupid.
Yet again, krystal posted it again, i cant hear this god damn crap of "the game is supposed to be like that". It actually is such a senseless phrase, and yet she proves herself wrong by playing a private server with probably increased rates, wich arent supposed to be used in Ragnarok.
However krystal, i could just assume you hold some grudge, your post looked like it. If there is nothing, its ok.
However, Orguss i actually do not exactly see how any of your few posts here adds some substance to the thread. Maybe i bickered in a post or another, but dont forgot that it always takes more than one person to do so. So, if your not having anything to say about the server, wtf are you doing in a server discussion thread like this? because your just bickering on your own right now too from what i see.
korean RPGs r luck based just like shooting games r about SHOOTING, if you dont like a CORE part of a game why do you even play it.
That's like saying "I like shooting games but I dont like to shoot"...
Quote from: bensei on Oct 11, 2007, 03:28 PMYet again, krystal posted it again, i cant hear this god damn crap of "the game is supposed to be like that". It actually is such a senseless phrase, and yet she proves herself wrong by playing a private server with probably increased rates, wich arent supposed to be used in Ragnarok.
However krystal, i could just assume you hold some grudge, your post looked like it. If there is nothing, its ok.
The server i play is 1/1/1, no increased rates as you can see.
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 11, 2007, 04:52 PM
korean RPGs r luck based just like shooting games r about SHOOTING, if you dont like a CORE part of a game why do you even play it.
That's like saying "I like shooting games but I dont like to shoot"...
Quote from: bensei on Oct 11, 2007, 03:28 PMYet again, krystal posted it again, i cant hear this god damn crap of "the game is supposed to be like that". It actually is such a senseless phrase, and yet she proves herself wrong by playing a private server with probably increased rates, wich arent supposed to be used in Ragnarok.
However krystal, i could just assume you hold some grudge, your post looked like it. If there is nothing, its ok.
The server i play is 1/1/1, no increased rates as you can see.
At least you standing to what you say then. I'd have honestly laughed if you played some high rate or stuff. However, i gave up trying to explain you my point, seeing how senseless it is to even try. Believe whatever you want, but dont say it as if it would be the truth. If YOU think Ro SHOULD be based on luck, its perfectly ok.
It doesnt make aRo to crap just because it does use a system wich you PERSONALLY dont like.
I for example, am not a fan of 1/1/1, but i dont go to their thread to bash it. I find it boring, That doesnt mean it IS boring.
However, im out. Im just seeing how im wasting my time trying to explain people i do not know or care about my point. Unless theres a new point in the thread that deserves beeing discussed (and no, i dont mean "DONATION SYSTEM SUXXORZ!") or a post wich is aimed at me I wont post too soon in here again.
But, one last thing i want to say. Mmorpg, arent supposed to be based on luck, they are more supposed to be a place for you to interact with your virtual friends. And believe me, on anima you can find lots of them.
Don't even go into grinding, all games have it and it's something that's needed. Asian MMO's tend to not hide their grinding (like WoW) and just throw it in there, they also believe that with more time spent on the MMO the more rewarding it gets. There's nothing wrong with that, I just think all you new MMO players need to stop being so lazy and either put the effort into an MMO or play a single player game.
Now why many of us here don't like aRO, is because you can obtain a holy super suit (Gear) of all kind for Money
That just shows how unskilled players there are but also kills our game T_T...
Plus in aRO, you can't deny the fact that there are many ITEMS in the database that shouldn't be there. All kind of corruption, Also denying that would be a bit hard because of all the stories,sites,drama,e-drama,super drama,PICS,SCREENSHOTS,FACTS etc....
Private servers original goal was to provide a FREE Ragnarok Online experience without the monthly fee. Aro doesnt share the same goal, since they give you a Lord Kaho horn for 120 dollars and all kind of other fancy stuff that wasn't supposed to be in game. They STILL Have the money Handicap and make those who have money better than the others.
Now is the time where some of you will jump and say 'BUT YOU CAN GET THESE DONATION STUFFZ INGAMEZZZ ROFLZORS NOOBZORZ'
My answer is ::
You can't :)
Because 1. It will take LOTS of time for a newbie there to get the req money, THEN HE HAS TO FIND THE ITEM on a vendor...
2. It's not just about items, EVEN ZENY IS SOLD FOR DOLLARS
3. Wtf i had all those ppl with "300 DOLLARZ FOR ADDZORS" in prontera.
So how can an honest player who isn't planing on paying for a private server / or can't progress in this silly environment?
Quote from: Transcend on Oct 12, 2007, 06:19 AM
So how can an honest player who isn't planing on paying for a private server / or can't progress in this silly environment?
It's very easy:
Do not go into PvP. Because in PvE, the godly gear doesn't prevent normal people to play like on every other server ;)
For people who don't care about PvP and WoE (new players have no chance there anyway!), it really doesn't matter if there's godly gear or not.
You have to pay REAL MONEY for it. Srsly, why would you care? Laugh about them! People spending money on a stupid game. They could've bought some books for their learning. But no, they spend 300$ on a stupid game. So please tell me: Why would you care?
Btw: Selling Zeny for Dollars is against the rules, my friend. People trying to do this are getting banned. If someone is stupid enough to do this, well his/her problem.
Quote from: Transcend on Oct 12, 2007, 06:19 AM
Now is the time where some of you will jump and say 'BUT YOU CAN GET THESE DONATION STUFFZ INGAMEZZZ ROFLZORS NOOBZORZ'
My answer is ::
You can't :)
You can. Saying its impossible would basically mean, i do not exist. Yes, i made my sqi on my own. Tho i admit i donated for 2 or 3 mvp cards in my time. however, the most expensive parts of my gears, were made by hard work.
Zeny arent sold for dollars, i do not udnerstand from where you got it. Also, if players try to sell zeny for Dollars, they are banned on sight; just to point out one of our rules.
There is one thing people seem to forget every time. YOU DO NOT NEED TO DONATE. How can you compare it with a fee when "YOU DO NOT NEED TO DONATE"?
drama? wich server doesnt have its drama? Drama is everywhere where a community exists, over a short or long time. You can not avoid it; Especially not in a game that is mainly played by younger people.
An honest player can just make his money by taking advantage of the economy. the high amount of players, makes it incredibly easy to do so. Studying the prices, etc, and your richer than you think in one week.
"there are many ITEMS in the database that shouldn't be there"
I'd like you to elaborate it a bit more. I mean, custom wings, shouldnt be in the database of RO server neither, nor should custom headgears or tails or stuff. Yet dozen server implement those.
What exactly is oyur point with that? That we have items wich are stronger compared to other servers? If everyone has access to those items, why would it be bad?
Also, I'd like to point one more thing out i forgot to mention in previous posts. Not everyone is a child that has a lot hours/day time to play ragnarok. Some people actually need to work IRL; (yes, thats harder than working in game) Donation systems help adult people to be able to cacth up with the people that have more time to farm for zeny. Noone on animaro forces you to donate. IF you donate, you do it from your own free will, because youwant to save yourself a few hours of money making in game , to enjoy yourself more in pvp for example. However, i assume your offending quite a lot people, if you call them lazy because they work irl for their gears. Server bills need to be paid, and an active gm staff, wants a little reward for their effort too. (because honestly, as soon as the server has problems, there is a gm trying to fix it. I've seen other servers where the server was down for a few hours, until the gm's noticed soemthing.) So yes, donators are nowhere near lazy; If you think so, you should honestly go out and get a job, just to see how hard working for money is ;<
However, transcend, i do believe you that you "thought" it would be impossible to get good gears as non donater, honestly, its depressing sometimes, but if you werent able to get any good gears in your whole time of playing, You were honestly doing something wrong in game =S. Not to say you suck or stuff, You just gave up too early.
Anyway, to make long story short, i agree with mirandu in my other points, he is one of the people that are actually making their way without donations (or at least i think he never donated >: ) And yet he has stuff like kahos, and other very good equips. He also is pretty active in the bot reporting scene as far as i noticed. -nods- :3#
Oh feck, i wont even bother correcting my typos now >:
Quote from: bensei on Oct 12, 2007, 08:13 AM
Anyway, to make long story short, i agree with mirandu in my other points, he is one of the people that are actually making their way without donations (or at least i think he never donated >: ) And yet he has stuff like kahos, and other very good equips. He also is pretty active in the bot reporting scene as far as i noticed. -nods- :3
Yep, I never donated :>
Well, the Kahos are on my wife's char, I didn't use them for over a month or so xD Oh well, but I like to run around with other hats on my head ;) Nobody NEEDs Kahos, they'll just make you faster in training.
Oh, and btw: If you know what you do, you can easily be as good as a "donator". I trained my Blacksmith like 10 levels in one day (from 77 to 87 or so), easily, without Kahos or Baphomet Card. I just used some s*** easy monster cards, a cheap slotted weapon, and a Professor to cast Endows. Voila!
To the bot reporting: Dammit, I got 2 Trans bots, but no way to get them banned! I usually talk to them, till the person responds and is annoyed and logs off, but these two guys are on 30 hours a day, without ever disconnecting... grrrr!
Who is this Transcend by the way, that he knows like everything going on on the server? I doubt he's still playing, lol. Living a bit in the past, eh? ::)
Quote from: Mirandu on Oct 12, 2007, 08:22 AM
Quote from: bensei on Oct 12, 2007, 08:13 AM
Anyway, to make long story short, i agree with mirandu in my other points, he is one of the people that are actually making their way without donations (or at least i think he never donated >: ) And yet he has stuff like kahos, and other very good equips. He also is pretty active in the bot reporting scene as far as i noticed. -nods- :3
Yep, I never donated :>
Well, the Kahos are on my wife's char, I didn't use them for over a month or so xD Oh well, but I like to run around with other hats on my head ;) Nobody NEEDs Kahos, they'll just make you faster in training.
Oh, and btw: If you know what you do, you can easily be as good as a "donator". I trained my Blacksmith like 10 levels in one day (from 77 to 87 or so), easily, without Kahos or Baphomet Card. I just used some s*** easy monster cards, a cheap slotted weapon, and a Professor to cast Endows. Voila!
To the bot reporting: Dammit, I got 2 Trans bots, but no way to get them banned! I usually talk to them, till the person responds and is annoyed and logs off, but these two guys are on 30 hours a day, without ever disconnecting... grrrr!
Who is this Transcend by the way, that he knows like everything going on on the server? I doubt he's still playing, lol. Living a bit in the past, eh? ::)
I think transcent is running a own server. Not sure what his problems with donations are tho, because i am pretty sure he gives out donation rewards too O_o;
I found that phrase nice btw. "living in the past", I think thats actually what quite a few people are doing =X
I think he Transcend confused AD pennies/Zeny trading, or heard son rumor which is complete falsehood.
You can donate, receive Ad credits, convert them into pennies, which are ingame tokens (each penny is one cent, american) and sell them for zeny.
The webserver... is it up yet?
Not because I cannot wait - it's just that I am beginning to frequent 4chan and EncyclopediaDramatica more.
And I'm getting some seriously new ideas and concepts that I am not aware of in the past with those two. ._.
Quote from: bensei on Oct 12, 2007, 08:13 AM
Also, I'd like to point one more thing out i forgot to mention in previous posts. Not everyone is a child that has a lot hours/day time to play ragnarok. Some people actually need to work IRL; (yes, thats harder than working in game) Donation systems help adult people to be able to cacth up with the people that have more time to farm for zeny.
That's why tons of ppl get paid to make in game money or items in korea and china then sell for real money.
It's considered ilegal and cheap by all companies, it can be punished by account termination and depending on how bad it is maybe legal action.
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 12, 2007, 10:55 AM
Quote from: bensei on Oct 12, 2007, 08:13 AM
Also, I'd like to point one more thing out i forgot to mention in previous posts. Not everyone is a child that has a lot hours/day time to play ragnarok. Some people actually need to work IRL; (yes, thats harder than working in game) Donation systems help adult people to be able to cacth up with the people that have more time to farm for zeny.
That's why tons of ppl get paid to make in game money or items in korea and china then sell for real money.
It's considered ilegal and cheap by all companies, it can be punished by account termination and depending on how bad it is maybe legal action.
I dont get how that was in any way related to my post. I'd suggest you reread it again, because you obviously mixed something up. Or more, what that has to do with anima.
Just telling you how the overall gaming comunity reacts to real money buying stuff in game.
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 12, 2007, 02:59 PM
Just telling you how the overall gaming comunity reacts to real money buying stuff in game.
Your still talking about two different things, you do realize that?
Maybe it could be me being tired, but i fail to see what you want to prove with that.
She wants to say that when medles with in game affairs, the game is screwed up :(
If that is the case, that most gamers don't like buying items for money, animaro should NOT have as many players as it does. Explain why that is please.
Quote from: Kuzaki on Oct 14, 2007, 12:27 PM
If that is the case, that most gamers don't like buying items for money, animaro should NOT have as many players as it does. Explain why that is please.
Inb4, But but but Donation system suxxorz and u no cn mke moni in diz servrz
Sorry, had to get that off me.
Quote from: Kuzaki on Oct 14, 2007, 12:27 PMIf that is the case, that most gamers don't like buying items for money, animaro should NOT have as many players as it does. Explain why that is please.
I didnt say MOST players dont want to, but if I had to guess I'd say you're right coz overall OFFICIAL gaming comunities REJECT paying real money for any kind of in game advantages and even punish'em like I mention in my previous post.
I'm just saying that companies punish such things, gravity doesnt seem to care tho ....
I've seen MU servers close because they make money I'm suprised anima is still on.
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 14, 2007, 09:12 PM
Quote from: Kuzaki on Oct 14, 2007, 12:27 PMIf that is the case, that most gamers don't like buying items for money, animaro should NOT have as many players as it does. Explain why that is please.
I didnt say MOST players dont want to, but if I had to guess I'd say you're right coz overall OFFICIAL gaming comunities REJECT paying real money for any kind of in game advantages and even punish'em like I mention in my previous post.
I'm just saying that companies punish such things, gravity doesnt seem to care tho ....
I've seen MU servers close because they make money I'm suprised anima is still on.
Probably because AnimaRO doesn't make THAT MUCH money as you claim all the time... Gravitiy earns much much more with their official servers, so they don't really care about a server with ~1000 people online at a time, making much less money than themselves.
I don't see why you still argue in here -
1st: Donations don't destroy anything - they just open a new possibility for every player on the server, even the non-donators.
2nd: What's so bad about "Give me some money and I'll give you some items instead"? Lol, go to the Real Life. Every company does it! It's called advertisement, to lure more people to buy their product or to donate something. As long as it keeps the server alive, I don't understand your attitude towards AnimaRO. The corruption and so on: It's the past, and by the way, most of these things are just rumors. So I'm not supposed to believe them on first sight.
I'd say: << This is madness!! - Madness? THIS IS R-M-S!!!! >>
But oh well, seems kinda old ::)
Quote from: Kuzaki on Oct 14, 2007, 12:27 PM
If that is the case, that most gamers don't like buying items for money, animaro should NOT have as many players as it does. Explain why that is please.
Simply because animaRO players aren't very skilled and need to buy items all the time :(
Anima doesnt make that much money ?? no just enough for a sex change, support your college activity, pay for your BF's life and pay every GM a monthly fee....
Now to your donation points.
1.- You are at a big disadvantage if you cant donate, yeah ok you can meet that guy who gave you X item or after X ammount of time you got that good item blah blah blah the guy who donates got all what you got with no effort.
2.- LOL ....just LOL, it was better in the past....
Yeah but it's also called fraud and corruption when you hide where your donations go, ban all who mention it and claim that all the money is invested in something when you're pocketing it.
People can face jail for that ::)
Quote from: Transcend on Oct 15, 2007, 09:06 AM
Quote from: Kuzaki on Oct 14, 2007, 12:27 PM
If that is the case, that most gamers don't like buying items for money, animaro should NOT have as many players as it does. Explain why that is please.
Simply because animaRO players aren't very skilled and need to buy items all the time :(
Why are you so butthurt over the server?
You don't play, you don't know it's skill level.(Which is fairly higher than most servers where people just spam skills)
I've played quite a few servers and Anima is one of the few where weapon/armor switching, alternative builds, and
originality run rampant and are actually encouraged.
I don't understand why you guys find the need to bash it when
you don't play on it.We do, so only we are actually allowed to say that it's s***.
Wrong! i have a lvl 97 Knight on aRO :l
So you dislike the server, think the players have low to no skills, but still play on it.
That makes sense. :-\
Quote from: Transcend on Oct 15, 2007, 09:06 AM
Simply because animaRO players aren't very skilled and need to buy items all the time :(
Also, since you play Anima, you just talked about yourself too.
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 15, 2007, 10:07 AM
Anima doesnt make that much money ?? no just enough for a sex change, support your college activity, pay for your BF's life and pay every GM a monthly fee....
Rumors, my friend... don't believe everything you hear from some people who like to bash aRO ;)
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 15, 2007, 10:07 AM
1.- You are at a big disadvantage if you cant donate, yeah ok you can meet that guy who gave you X item or after X ammount of time you got that good item blah blah blah the guy who donates got all what you got with no effort.
No, you aren't. Face it, there is no disadvantage! And if there IS one, then PvP only. And with a new char you won't be able to survive in PvP very long anyway ;)
If you don't like donations and MVP cards, well, you left aRO. That's good. And now shut up. Don't you see that you always say the same things? Even if it doesn't really fit on what I said..?
You didn't even say WHY you are at a big disadvantage. Donators bring ADs and Donation items to the whole population of the server. So there's no imbalance s*** you are talking about all the time.
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 15, 2007, 10:07 AM
2.- LOL ....just LOL, it was better in the past....
Yeah but it's also called fraud and corruption when you hide where your donations go, ban all who mention it and claim that all the money is invested in something when you're pocketing it.
People can face jail for that ::)
You don't even play anymore, so you really don't know what's going on NOW. Stop telling me, it was better in the past.
The rest is just rumors, again. You have no proof. Nobody has. And by the way: Why wouldn't you ban people who talk s*** about the GMs and the server? It's called disrespect and defamation or slander. People can go to jail for that in real life too (or they have to pay money, whatever.. It's against the law) :P
Quote from: Transcend on Oct 15, 2007, 12:40 PM
Wrong! i have a lvl 97 Knight on aRO :l
I'd really like to know who you are, Mr. Anti-AnimaRO, having a lvl97 Knight (
edited) on the server :)
Quote from: Transcend on Oct 15, 2007, 09:06 AM
Quote from: Kuzaki on Oct 14, 2007, 12:27 PM
If that is the case, that most gamers don't like buying items for money, animaro should NOT have as many players as it does. Explain why that is please.
Simply because animaRO players aren't very skilled and need to buy items all the time :(
You dont know how wrong you are. Due to the availability of all gears, "same gear vs same gear" duels apply pretty often, and THAT IS a duel where the skill only applies.
Honestly, trans, dont make yourself look ridiculous. Back your points up for once instead of just claiming things.
However, @DonationGiveDonatorEverythingForNothingPoster:
Did anyone of you actually try to friggen work in real life, FOR REAL MONEY?
Obviously you didnt, because if you did you wouldnt say dumb things like "they get everything without effort".
Yes, Working irl is harder than ig, kthx.
This video would explain anything to any decent RO player.
and i have a KNIGHT not LK :l
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nYJngm25wc[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nYJngm25wc
Bensei your effort in RL shouldnt count AT ALL for a video game.
Oh I work my donkey in my job !! so I deserve good stuff.
Keep telling yourself it's rumors, whatever you're just fooling yourself.
Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 15, 2007, 05:08 PM
Bensei your effort in RL shouldnt count AT ALL for a video game.
Oh I work my donkey in my job !! so I deserve good stuff.
Keep telling yourself it's rumors, whatever you're just fooling yourself.
Why should it not count? There is no reason it shouldn't count if you ask me, not everyone has the same amount of time as you do.
Quote from: Transcend on Oct 15, 2007, 03:45 PM
This video would explain anything to any decent RO player.
and i have a KNIGHT not LK :l
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nYJngm25wc[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nYJngm25wc
Ok, what does that have to do with anything?
wow, this topics huge.
Well, way back when I was playing, and while GM Debbie was still alive, I used to really like Animaro. There was nothing really wrong about the community, and donators didn't rule the server. And from the argument u all have been having I have this statement.
When you hit the lvl cap of ur first char, Do you feel that uve accomplished something good if you donated to get that far? And if you reached the lvl cap without donating, you did it completly legit. Theres nothing wrong with donating to something you spend your time doing(unless you do it alot) but it gets wrong, once donaters are overpowered. When BlackTalon changed the passwords on AnimaRO, i never got my pass back. So I basically switched servers, to RebirthRO. This server has a low rate, and mid rate part in it. the low rate reminds you of the original IRO server, but with some stuff added in. The midrate is basically where ppl who want to go sinx in 2 days go.
But what im getting 2, is that in midrate, donaters basically own. And considering the lvl cap is 255, thats not good. It gets bad when a donating sniper thats lvl 80, can kill a legit LK lvl 120 that bezerked on u. I haven't gotten to the level that much in lowrate, but when I looked at the donating items on they're website, I saw that the only thing the donating items give is usually, +5 certain stats.
But on mid rate, its like +50 all stats, so what Im saying is to all the people who think that animaro was bad just because donating items costed alot.
Why don't you go legit, and don't talk s***
This cycle is going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. There is no point arguing about this server. You're wasting your time guys, and you're wasting mine. From now on, no debates about AnimaRO are permitted to be posted anywhere on these forums. Topics will be deleted on site.
Consider this topic locked.