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//-This is in no way to point out fingers to the admins / staff members, but yet a reason to keep them informed about what is going on.. and what there players are doing which is rule-breaking.
Character Name: Priscilla
Account Name: cradle
Account IP: 79.100.36.231
Email:
[email protected](http://i.imgur.com/fYQe5.jpg)
To the person who advertised, thats just low...
Get some class.
Quote from: ChocoMocoPlease keep your players on your server. If they left the server, they left it for a reason.
Do not inrage to other servers and trying to recruit players.
That is low. Especially for a server thats been up for 2 years. Thats just low... Get some class.
Choco, I think you're assuming that the staff are totally in on everyone that does this to NeuRO.
I always see you point fingers as if the staff totally know about the person advertising on your server, but you must realize that an admin can only control what goes on in their domain. They can ban from their server, but they have no power over what they do outside of it. The players and admins are separated by a computer screen and thus the admin and staff don't have authority over the choices their players make, that they heed their warning or not about advertising on other servers.
There are three reasons someone would do this:
1) They're paid by the server they're advertising, which is not the case all of the time
2) They really like the server and want to use cheap methods (and overall ineffective) to attract players
or
3) They hate the server they're advertising, and want to give them a bad name by having the admins of other servers post a topic like this on RMS (yes, there are people this spiteful out there)
Staff can ask players not to, but they certainly can't control them if they do take on such degrading methods. In regards to situations like this, their power is limited to their server, their domain, their website. They can't really do anything but ban or warn the person behind the IP.
Short: The staff may or may not be behind it, the person doing it may have their own agenda, and I find it unfair that you'd point fingers directly at the staff as if they're the parents of an undisciplined child/player. Mom says not to touch the hot stove, and the kid does it anyway - you can't say mom didn't try, and that the kid didn't make their own stupid / ignorant choice.
I also don't think
this is very appropriate, as it only stimulates drama and war, and doesn't solve anything - talk to the admin personally, rather than raging in public. RMS is fine as it's a neutral zone and the forum is designed for these things; however, when going on the other server's "turf" it's much more professional and respectable to direct the problem to the person who can handle it, namely Adhelle.
Well sadly it could be just a Player who is all gung-ho about advertising on other servers. I would inform the Admin of Lumina so they can inform their players to NOT do that, I'm pretty sure the Admin doesn't like this behavior either, then again. I'm not sure.
I just read the Lumina's Forums and you're really looking dumb on there. You're complaining about maturity but it seems like you're lacking it as well, if you were proper about it you would just contact the admin, and not being so rude to players, even they they are advertising another server on your server. Just ban them and let it be over, why provoke them and tell them to 'get back in the kitchen'. How mature of you.
I'm sure that would send the wrong message to a lot of people who read it.
They should already know this via ToS or at least something.
I tried not to point out fingers really.. but it got to the point where you know, you don't expect it from a well-known server that has been up for a really long time.
I tried to be clear about it, telling the staff about letting the players know.
- It gets frustrating, for any server, when they receive stuff like this. And it gets worse when logs are saved that they admitted to doing it [Outside of ingame source]
I am certainly mad that it has gotten to the point to where - everything and anything revolves around cheap methods.
Quote from: ChocoMoco on Aug 27, 2011, 10:34 PM
They should already know this via ToS or at least something.
I tried not to point out fingers really.. but it got to the point where you know, you don't expect it from a well-known server that has been up for a really long time.
I tried to be clear about it, telling the staff about letting the players know.
- It gets frustrating, for any server, when they receive stuff like this. And it gets worse when logs are saved that they admitted to doing it [Outside of ingame source]
I am certainly mad that it has gotten to the point to where - everything and anything revolves around cheap methods.
Isn't it also kinda cheap to post on their forums instead of contacting the admin directly? I mean all you're doing is stirring the drama pot. Its not the Admin's fault or the other players fault. So why offend them by what some idiot on Lumina did?
Hello, this is a player from LuminaRO and this is my personal thought:
Dear admin of N**RO,
,i think you're assuming that he mains in LRO server and posted this thread;
Of course the player should be banned for unrightful action-permanent, he should have served.
However, i find this thread quite unnecessary for that player left LRO server for reason, but that proves the player as "unsettled player," in which he doesn't represent LRO anymore nor is there anyway we can figure out
whether he stil plays LRO or not. It's just his decision to advertize LRO.
I have seen few N**RO advertizers saying that LRO is dead and people should play there, and i doubt i have to post on N**RO forum or third-party site to make a silly accusation that N**RO "harvest" people from other servers.
Whether the server is young or old, I think it's rather pathetic and very immature of us to think one server's advertizement is justified.
I think this post is rather an immature lament of new server. If you think your server is doing well, which i hopefully believe it is, please think before posting such thread; if LRO people left for reason and they like the server, then there's no reason why would come back.
I just really don't see the reason to post this thread, both on LRO forum and third-party forum.
In simple and yet rude (i apologize) words: please grow up and try to hide your immature mindset about being the part of Ragnarok Community.
I understand your concern, The thread wasn't meant to offend anyone, it was mainly directly to the staff to tell them about what was happening.
I tried to edit the thread to let them know, We are not offending anyone in anyway.
If anyone from our server does that [ NeuRO ], then by all means report it. I would not hesitate to ban them... But that would require players info; IP, Email and so on and so forth.
Quote from: ChocoMoco on Aug 27, 2011, 10:39 PM
If anyone from our server does that [ NeuRO ], then by all means report it. I would not hesitate to ban them... But that would require players info; IP, Email and so on and so forth.
once again,
"i doubt i have to post on N**RO forum or third-party site to make a silly accusation that N**RO "harvest" people from other servers."
LRO admins should deal what's happening in LRO, and so do NeuRO admins as well.
If they advertizein our server, then we ban them--what else there are for us to do? lol
i don't know who's to say "Thats just low... Get some class." *sigh*
That directs to the person who advertised.
And apparently, to the person advertising, it seems okay to do it to other servers :/
"(5:17am)Fridayy: its on RMS also
(5:17am)Me: oh thats cool
(5:17am)Me: glad
(5:17am)Fridayy: Thanks for making this server even worse
(5:17am)Me: my "advertisment"
(5:17am)Me: worked
(5:17am)Me:
(5:17am)Me: nop
(5:18am)Fridayy: I hope it did, Trash server is trash~
(5:17am)Fridayy: Moving along.
(5:18am)Me: why so mad
(5:18am)Me: ?
(5:18am)Fridayy: because Lumina is dying
(5:18am)Fridayy: end of story
(5:18am)Me: u must be a Gm there or something
(5:18am)Me: srsly what are u afraid of
(5:18am)Fridayy: please get back in the kitchen
(5:18am)Me: please grow up
(5:19am)Fridayy: This chat is also saved.
(5:19am)Fridayy: Thank you
(5:19am)Fridayy: Me grow up? Try being mature and get some class.
(5:19am)Me: please do save it and show ur stupidity
(5:20am)Me: and imatturity
(5:21am)Fridayy: My stupidity? Or your maturity and class.
(5:21am)Fridayy: Theres a difference hunny.
(5:21am)Fridayy: Now like i said, get back in the kitchen please.
(5:21am)Me: back in the kitchen?
(5:24am)Me: i think u hold some grudge against female gender or something
(5:24am)Me: which explains your attitude
(5:25am)Me: quite well
(5:25am)Fridayy: No, its just you, the 13yr olds who cannot handle server competitions
(5:25am)Fridayy: Anyway~ My work is done! Thank you for making this server loo kworse"
posted by a m i, on August 26th of 2011, 9:31 P.M
I apologize for this post but please give a public apology to the LRO Forum, RMS forum
and to a m i.
you could have put "whoever you are, Thats just low... Get some class" but instead it rather seemed to pointing at the LRO serrver itself, in both this forum and LRO forum.
for that chat log uploaded by a m i, though he/she trolled with "glad my advertizement worked"
there was no possible logical reasoning of an admin of other server to "directly insult" the server, for that is rather bizarrely immature and disrepectful..
By the way i'm not the staff of LRO server and i belive that you would respect my request as a method to disolve the fuzz between LRO and NeuRO.
We did change the thread, Read the first edit post.
tl,dr; We don't like server advertisements, so we take it to the public.
And as for AMI, Theres no reason to show respect to one who breaks server rules and encourages others to leave the current server.
EDIT: The only reason topic was made kept because Epoque / Adhelle are unable to be contacted because they cannot receive new messages VIA Forum.
Quote from: ChocoMoco on Aug 27, 2011, 11:04 PM
We did change the thread, Read the first edit post.
And as for AMI, Theres no reason to show respect to one who breaks server rules and encourages others to leave the current server.
I understand AMI part, but i want apology for calling LRO "Trash server is Trash" =]
Quote from: ChocoMoco on Aug 27, 2011, 10:39 PM
I understand your concern, The thread wasn't meant to offend anyone, it was mainly directly to the staff to tell them about what was happening.
...
If you meant to tell the staff of Lumina-RO, go contact them. If it was the staff, then sure, post it here with the proof. Otherwise, give them the IP address and tell them to deal with it and give warning to their players.
EDIT: Posts were while I was writing: There are other ways of contacting them other than their board.. and the wording didn't really help either.
Posting here and how you worded your (now-edited) topic does show that you want to stir up some drama.
This is also going for your similar previous topics. Not just Lumina. (I don't want to seem like I am siding with lRO in any way cause I believe lRO did the same to a previous server.)
We understand at that point. It didn't mean to go out as a big deal, it just was a reason "Hey this server has players who do this and that nonsense and break rules"
So we apologize on that note, But I hope everything is understood at why AMI, needs to be dealt with.
- Xantara; We tried to contact them, it did not let us get a hold of them via forums due to cannot send messages to them.
- Yes the topic was edited to confirm a better understanding to what it was.
We aren't scared of any server, we don't want to cause drama, we just want this nonsense to stop before it gets out of hand even more.
As for previous topics, that is their mistake for even doing it [ Player or staff wise ] - We cannot stop people from doing it, but we can attempt to punish them otherwise.
Quote from: ChocoMoco on Aug 27, 2011, 11:04 PMEDIT: The only reason topic was made because Epoque / Adhelle are unable to be contacted because they cannot receive new messages VIA Forum.
That just sounds like you tried PMing them
after I mentioned it to you and after editting your first post twice.
There are Support Tickets (http://support.lumina-ro.com/), first off; second, Adhelle is active here and her PMs aren't disactivated. Her profile is here (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/index.php?action=profile;u=9688).
Not trying to be mean, but there was at least one obvious (and more professional) option available and that was passed over. Though her being on RMS isn't so obvious, a simple search of the memberslist would have taken a few seconds, and would have avoided a lot of unnecessary conflict.
Editting out your impolite comments towards the server doesn't change the fact that people already saw it. I have nothing against NeuRO and am not affiliated with any servers currently. Nothing personal against you either, Choco, but after seeing the other two posts where you didn't take initiative to contact the staff / admin about the problem either, I felt perhaps a little advice on how to handle these things more maturely and professionally would be of service.
Thanks Yusifer, I shall give her a PM, I doubt I expect a response due to Last Active: Aug 16, 2011, 10:18 pm. But its worth a shot.
I understand there were options before us, And we have already apologized on behalf of LuminaRO . . .
Quote from: ChocoMoco on Aug 27, 2011, 11:17 PM
And we have already apologized on behalf of LuminaRO . . .
Was it on the forum? I have not found one yet
Plus i think it's rather respectful and polite manner of the admin of the server to apologize in separate thread, isn't it? =D
Thank you for your concern!
Quote from: Yusifer on Aug 27, 2011, 11:13 PM
That just sounds like you tried PMing them after I mentioned it to you and after editting your first post twice.
There are Support Tickets (http://support.lumina-ro.com/), first off; second, Adhelle is active here and her PMs aren't disactivated. Her profile is here (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/index.php?action=profile;u=9688).
Not trying to be mean, but there was at least one obvious (and more professional) option available and that was passed over. Though her being on RMS isn't so obvious, a simple search of the memberslist would have taken a few seconds, and would have avoided a lot of unnecessary conflict.
Editting out your impolite comments towards the server doesn't change the fact that people already saw it. I have nothing against NeuRO and am not affiliated with any servers currently. Nothing personal against you either, Choco, but after seeing the other two posts where you didn't take initiative to contact the staff / admin about the problem either, I felt perhaps a little advice on how to handle these things more maturely and professionally would be of service.
I registered just to say that. It's untrue that this topic were made AFTER this person tried to contact the Lumina ADMs.
It's not necessary. I did my right in respecting luminaRO and respecting them by apologizing. Do not push it.
I just want this case to take action.
Talking to the staff member from LuminaRO.
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Person has now been dealt with and thred can be closed / removed.
Quote from: Ariadna on Aug 27, 2011, 11:26 PMI registered just to say that. It's untrue that this topic were made AFTER this person tried to contact the Lumina ADMs.
I'm not sure what you mean, but this post on RMS came before something was posted on Lumina's forums. Though that's not what I was talking about.
I was merely saying that it's only after I mentioned a couple times about talking to an admin that Choco said he/she tried to contact Adhelle already. It looked more like a convenient excuse than really an effort to not plaster shame on their forum - especially with the Support Ticket option being in big letters on the website.
Sorry but I just wanted to say that.. In my opinion, the creation of that thread on Lumina's forum is somewhat of an advertisement too. I would've suggested that Fridayy should've gave a short apology there but seeing that it got closed... I guess there is no need to do so anymore. =\
It was not an advertisement, it was a image of how the player "Priscilla" aka a m i was advertising on NeuRO.
It was a screenshot, a clean non-editted screenshot. Which is always best when posting proof.
Topic is now resolved. Thread close / removal or junkyard would be beneficial.
Thanks.
Quote from: Yusifer on Aug 27, 2011, 11:33 PM
I'm not sure what you mean, but this post on RMS came before something was posted on Lumina's forums. Though that's not what I was talking about.
I was merely saying that it's only after I mentioned a couple times about talking to an admin that Choco said he/she tried to contact Adhelle already. It looked more like a convenient excuse than really an effort to not plaster shame on their forum - especially with the Support Ticket option being in big letters on the website.
I'm sorry about my writing >.< English is not my first language. What I meant is that Choco make this topics (both here and in Lumina forum) first. Then he edit the Lumina topic saying that he would PM the Lumina Admins. Then he edited again saying that he wasn't able to PM them. Namely he made the topic without trying to reach the admins.
Then the said
"EDIT: The only reason topic was made because Epoque / Adhelle are unable to be contacted because they cannot receive new messages VIA Forum.", saying that he ONLY made the topics because he couldnt PM de ADMs. That's untrue.
And he said
Lumina had no class?
Anyway, this issue seems to the over already. Let's move on.
Finally got my activation.
I want to inform Adhelle if shes reading this that sadly, mr Fridayy aka Admin Clive edit his lol trolling thread against me and the server on lro forums numerous times. Then Gm OverClokx decided to delete everything, prolly to not be count as advertisment.[/u]
First of all, usually im not advertising any servers. What i wrote on main was just 1 sudden, innocent sentence that i even thought its gonna be ignored and unread. I did not join neuro for such purpose. What i did was against the rules i admit it and i got my ban for it. Its not like i advertise server everyday,, i never did it before, it just slide out my fingers somehow and i admit my fault. (blame my boredom)
What i could not accept is Amin Clive rude behaviour towards me and my server. He made an account to publicly troll me with the intensions to harm me and the server. He treated me like some low race just because im a ro player and a woman and he is a man and a server admin.
"(5:17am)Fridayy: its on RMS also
(5:17am)Me: oh thats cool
(5:17am)Me: glad
(5:17am)Fridayy: Thanks for making this server even worse
(5:17am)Me: my "advertisment"
(5:17am)Me: worked
(5:17am)Me:
(5:17am)Me: nop
(5:18am)Fridayy: I hope it did, Trash server is trash~
(5:17am)Fridayy: Moving along.
(5:18am)Me: why so mad
(5:18am)Me: ?
(5:18am)Fridayy: because Lumina is dying
(5:18am)Fridayy: end of story
(5:18am)Me: u must be a Gm there or something
(5:18am)Me: srsly what are u afraid of
(5:18am)Fridayy: please get back in the kitchen
(5:18am)Me: please grow up
(5:19am)Fridayy: This chat is also saved.
(5:19am)Fridayy: Thank you
(5:19am)Fridayy: Me grow up? Try being mature and get some class.
(5:19am)Me: please do save it and show ur stupidity
(5:20am)Me: and imatturity
(5:21am)Fridayy: My stupidity? Or your maturity and class.
(5:21am)Fridayy: Theres a difference hunny.
(5:21am)Fridayy: Now like i said, get back in the kitchen please.
(5:21am)Me: back in the kitchen?
(5:24am)Me: i think u hold some grudge against female gender or something
(5:24am)Me: which explains your attitude
(5:25am)Me: quite well
(5:25am)Fridayy: No, its just you, the 13yr olds who cannot handle server competitions
(5:25am)Fridayy: Anyway~ My work is done! Thank you for making this server loo kworse"
posted by a m i, on August 26th of 2011, 9:31 P.M
This convo with me and him has every sentence screened and i will post it whenever its needed and i have time
Im not sure what kind of argument is "go back in the kitchen" really..I guess he was worrying about my kitchen but no i dont spend much time there. Im sorry if i ruined your world outlook on the women.
This is how everything started actually i didn even know who is he because he didn even introduce himself. I guess he just felt like trolling LuminaRo forums. Obvsly i felt not rly happy seeing some "troll" posting such thing on a WRONG place
(http://i53.tinypic.com/54vxom.png)
and every other word is screened too. Till the end. Till the moment where he even tried flirting with me, probably to provoke me or for other unknown reasons.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/ygozn.png)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/24q3ggi.png)
LuminaRo staff was very kind i must say too kind with you. What about you? When are you gonna aplogize to me and the server for calling it "dead trash" (do u need a SS?)?
(http://i56.tinypic.com/wujpja.png)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/rljhu9.png)
I dont remember calling your server with such names.. I have nothing more to say really...all these people i dont even know said it. Thank you for it and for the support... Its obvious that your behaviour for a server admin is much more than just bad.
Also about the competition... i think you are the one who cant handle it..or else you would try to keep your good manners at least (if you have any).
Once again i understand my fault and that this is unpleasant situation for both servers. Please have in mind i have no other such commitments except this only one sentence i wasnt even gonna repeat. I didn intent to cause harm. But in moments like these you actually see who is enough competent and mentally stable to run a server and who is not.
Im new to this forums so i dont know if this is the place for it..But im thinking to make a separate thread about Admin Clive and his bad manners with the women....If this thread didn say it all.
Already apologized to LuminaRO.
I would never apologize to a rulebreaker...
Yet funny thing is, you had only 1 account, both less than level 15.
Rulebreakers and server advertisers deserve no respect. They are what harm servers nowadays.
They deserve public humiliation for what they have done.
I have nothing against the other sex, infact I know aton of girls I talk to daily... Meeting someone who pulls stunts as recruiting (advertising) players to join another server as you... turns the tables around.
i edit my post ;)
something you like to do a lot.
I got it. You are tryin to show some fake kindness now.
Quote from: ChocoMoco on Aug 28, 2011, 01:26 AM
I have nothing against the other sex, infact I know aton of girls I talk to daily...
Shocked. Want a cookie?
You probably meet all of them in the kitchen.
And ofc my chars are 15lvl i joined not long ago and your server is new, why is it so funny to you?
I think what harm servers the most is people like you who dont have respect to the people around them. (yes the rule breaker says it, dont tell me a simple server advertisement made you act
like a pure s**t)
You didn really answer to antyhing i wrote, did you?
Where did you apologize? I dont see a thread like the one you made to harm me and the server on lro forums???
p.s. i dont really care about your words. Im interested in makin a legit report of your deeds. I will be glad if someone can help me with it, and if its worth it... feel free to pm me :]
I apologized to LuminaRO, Read the first page of this thread.
No.. I don't disrespect people who follow the rules. Those who break the rules... its different.
It doesn't matter if it was a simple sentence. You shouldn't have done it. At all.
You came to NeuRO to tell people about the LuminaRO update, which was unnecessary. People came here for NeuRO.
Rulebreakers deserve to be publicly humiliated! Its a shame to deal with people who break the rules :/
Do not play the game, if you cannot follow the Terms Of Service you agree on when registering your account on NeuRO
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Incompetent? Oh please.. We have every right to ban you. Get some class and actually learn to play a game without breaking the rules.
Its a pitty.
Quote from: ChocoMoco on Aug 28, 2011, 01:40 AM
Incompetent? Oh please.. We have every right to ban you. Get some class and actually learn to play a game without breaking the rules.
Its a pitty.
What class exactly should i get? To learn how to answer to the women around me with "Like i said. go to the kitchen"?
or with "Shut your mouth and ..your a**" ?
Or calling other servers trash when i feel like it. Ppl advertising servers are everywhere...personally i dont have myself as one tho. If your gonna freak out over every single rule-breaker and break rules everytime as well then i feel bad for your community really...Having a server admin who cant follow the rules himself must sucks.
Class = Unreasonable, Does not read rules, Breaks the rules..
Sorry for doing my server admin job and enforcing the rules. Last time I checked, No one said anything to you in NeuRO Game, NeuRO Forums, and NeuRO Vent. I am just another member on LuminaRO Forums. Your argument does not fit into any of these categories.
Rulebreakers deserve no respect. Once more.
a m i, you did break the rules, and you even agreed you did. So why are you complaining about being banned. What were you expecting? It is their server rules and you registered thus accepting them. It doesn't matter how LuminaRO would've dealt with it since you weren't advertising on their server. Just accept it and move on already.
The only thing I see that could be offending is "Now like i said, get back in the kitchen please.", but really that isn't much to cry about. And ChocoMoco is right, you can't assume who Fridayy is or have the proof to do so.
PS. I'm female.
Anddd, that is my last post on this topic. I'll stop butting into this one xD;;
Quote from: Xantara on Aug 28, 2011, 02:12 AM
a m i, you did break the rules, and you even agreed you did. So why are you complaining about being banned. What were you expecting? It is their server rules and you registered thus accepting them. It doesn't matter how LuminaRO would've dealt with it since you weren't advertising on their server. Just accept it and move on already.
The only thing I see that could be offending is "Now like i said, get back in the kitchen please.", but really that isn't much to cry about. And ChocoMoco is right, you can't assume who Fridayy is or have the proof to do so.
PS. I'm female.
Anddd, that is my last post on this topic. I'll stop butting into this one xD;;
Xantara, basically just covered it all in a tl;dr from my previous 4884 posts.
If I am not wrong, she is also punished from LuminaRO via GM Source [LuminaRO]
You cannot say Fridayy is me or Clive, or anyone else without sufficient proof, this is just a copy and pasted thread that was posted from LuminaRO Forums.
The problem is dealt with, you are banned from NeuRO, and If I am not wrong... Punished from LuminaRO - I don't know how they punished you, but my source says you are punished.
Quote from: ChocoMoco on Aug 28, 2011, 01:55 AM
Sorry for doing my server admin job and enforcing the rules.
I didnt know ADMINS job is to harass the other server's community and to troll their forums...i guess im mistaken once again.
Once again sir..but you are really incompetent to support a server imo.
"End of story."And goodluck with the server ;)
Quote from: Xantara on Aug 28, 2011, 02:12 AM
a m i, you did break the rules, and you even agreed you did. So why are you complaining about being banned.
"stopped reading" Are you serious when did i complain about being banned? What i am complaining about is the attitude me an the server received.
Also i dont think "ChocoMoco" will dare to deny that he is Fridayy :) Topic is still on luminaro forums, kay? With his name on it and probably IP.
Next time try to read my position at least. I dont care if im banned from neuro or not. Please dont put words in my mouth kay?
You obviously do not understand the meaning of server rules. Everything outside the SERVER. AKA NEURO. Is dealt otherwise.
- You treat my server by breaking the rules. I show no respect to you what so ever. Said this like 48849 times. No one is going to understand... Its alright if you think I am incompetend, you probably don't even know what that word is... Sorry for banning you for advertising another server.
- Xantara understood you clear, just like me...
Last time I checked Fridayy and Chocomoco are not the same name.
Please don't put my server name in your mouth. Its already enough that we got you as a rule breaker.
Can we leave it at
You guys were both in the wrong at some point during this whole rant fest?
Ami you broke the rules, derp you're gonna get banned. Choco, you probably shouldn't have flew off the chair with insults but I also get its frustrating having people come onto your server advertising other servers.
Ami, you broke the rules there in the first place, why should Choco have to apologize to you? You broke the rules so shouldn't you be apologizing to Choco? Choco probably shouldn't have went on the forums, that also looks bad.
You both were in the wrong at some points and time. No point in continuing the argument, the matter is dealt with so lets all go back on our merry way playing RO.
^ This and I need to sleep.
Anyway. Thanks for summarizing it, Chemical Crush.
once again, i at least want public apology thread on LRO forum since not many people who alrady saw the post would stuck with your admin image with "editing." it's for both of us LuminaRO and you, my dear good sir. =]
Quote from: crocera on Aug 28, 2011, 02:46 AM
once again, i at least want public apology thread on LRO forum since not many people who alrady saw the post would stuck with your admin image with "editing." it's for both of us LuminaRO and you, my dear good sir. =]
Wha? This sounds confusing, although I know English is not your language. And technically the person who advertised on the server should apologize on NeuRO's page, its disgraceful to have someone advertise someone elses server on another server.
The only thing Choco, probably should apologize about is making the thread on the Forums. That's all I see that needs to be apologized about, if anything.
Quote from: Chemical Crush on Aug 28, 2011, 02:59 AM
And technically the person who advertised on the server should apologize on NeuRO's page, its disgraceful to have someone advertise someone elses server on another server.
Sorry for what? For bein treated like a low race?? I already got banned, end of topic?I paid for my mistake.
Only person i whould say sorry to is Adhelle if i caused her any harm.
The person who needs to take the consequences now is Admin Clive. For trolling and harassing me, the community and the forums. (He ofc used edit on his thread)
And this english thing is old. Get over the fact.. not everyone speaks it fluently. Its not a crime .
Just so you know, my PM inbox on LRO forum is full but the option to write me an email via it, is totally functional. And yes. I was warned about this thread just now.
Choco, you actually should know that no, there's a lot of players on your server that are NOT there for your server. They are there because Lumina is undergoing maintenances every 5 minutes. Could be 5, could be 50, could be 100. I have no idea. Obviously, the players that wish to come back have all the right to do so. The only plain rude thing about it was to shout about it on main channel. Like many of your players have also been doing on the main channel of my server and also on my forum shoutbox and topics. Tbh, I didn't even ban anyone, just told then to shut up on main, deleted topics or filtered to ******RO. They are players, not random people paid by admins to tell the specifications of a trash server on our servers. At least as far as I know. I haven't paid anyone, have you? Probably not.
Anyway, shall we? I'd like to ask all LRO players to stop posting on this thread. I noticed you mentioned the staff on the first topic. I'm not sure if somebody else in the team contacted you already, but cheers.
Edit: No wait...
Isn't this your email?
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6734/chocoe.png)
Oh, seems like it is :)
http://whois.domaintools.com/neu-ro.net (http://whois.domaintools.com/neu-ro.net)
So, like you were saying on my forums, trash server is trash?
When I thought this was over it starts getting interesting... ~Grabs popcorn~
So, you, the admin of Neu-RO, took the time, to register at my forums and tell people in the chat box that "trash server is trash" and "LuminaRO is dying, end of story"? Nice~
By the way, props for changing alias for not being so obvious but "forgetting" not to use the same email you use as neu-ro admin, that was very amusing.
Adhelle, You cannot make assumptions saying they are only here for "maintenances" you guys have, and that is no excuse to have people to advertise on other servers. If thats the way you handle it, by telling them to shut up... Well thats your way of handling it. They will get banned on NeuRO, and stay banned on NeuRO.
I've already took the liberty to apologize for my chatlog messages with ami about LuminaRO. Yes, a staff member has taken the liberty to contact me and has dealt with the punishment.
Sure, its my email. And what is wrong with that? It's also the email used for the Neu-RO.net domain webpage. Like said, we already apologized on behalf of what was said to LuminaRO, so why push it forward.
There are two admins on NeuRO, just like how wheres more than one admin on LuminaRO. I am MistyChoco AKA Web Developer for NeuRO aka Admin also.
If I wanted to change my email address, I would have done it already.
If the way you handled by telling them to shut up / removing threads for advertising on other servers, then this will be a neverending thread and perhaps it'll go on, since the only punishment thats given was to tell them to shut up. Unless you've dealt it with a different way.
So kiddies, my laptop died on me when I was posting here last night! I had to make another account too since I keep forgetting my password on RMS forums and the password recovery thing wasn't being too friendly with me (tried for like half an hour last night then I was just like f*** it making a new acccount) Anyways!
So regarding a m i the little duckie that started all of this nonsense: I commend you for admitting that you did wrong when you posted an obvious server advertisement on NeuRO- it was a stupid move (as you said), but still, server advertisers do not, and will never be treated with respect. Ever. However since our admin is such a nice guy (loljk), he apologize to you for that really lolandbad (bad in the sense that it's so not original and overused) woman in da kitchen joke (well as Choco has said he has) so this s*** should be done and over with.
Regarding the NeuRO admin posting this topic / posting on Lumina forums / trying to contact Adhelle.
1). The support ticket that Yusifer (or someone else on this thread) mentioned has only one link to it on the User CP. For people that have not played Lumina, you can't really expect them to be familiar with how the ticket system works. In regards to a direct attempt to contact Adhelle, like Choco said, she hasn't been on RMS for a while, her PMs were full on Lumina forums, her contact email on the User CP matched that of other lower ranked Game Masters that might or might not have been able to help solve the issue. Heck, her forum email button might have been the same as well, so I guess that's why Choco posted this thread here.
2). I agree that Choco's original post calling out the Lumina staff here was a bit too harsh as since others have mentioned here, the Staff of one server cannot be fully responsible for server advertisers such as a m i that pull dumb things like these, intentional or not. Choco already apologized for calling the LRO staff out. I guess what both servers [Lumina and Neu] should do is remind players via broadcasts in game / announcements on forums that advertising their own servers on other servers is not permitted as it just tarnishes the server being advertised's reputation.
Regarding players on NeuRO from Lumina, yes Adhelle there could be players only there because Lumina is going through some hard times and they have every right to return to Lumina after you guys sort out your zeny dupe, influx of coins, over priced goods, incompetent game masters, bugs taking forever to fix, lack of WoE competition, and etc. (this is what many Lumina players have been telling us), then they can return to Lumina. However, a stunt that a m i pulled, intentional or not, like many have said before on this thread is absolutely unacceptable. I would also like to mention that even though there are some, let's call them "temporary" players on NeuRO, I believe a majority of them are here to stay, but that's not the point of this topic...
Basically the tl;dr is that:
- a m i is dumb
- NeuRO admins didn't pick the best way to contact Adhelle, but there were complications there along the line
- Both servers should remind players constantly that advertising their own server on other servers is wrong and will tarnish your server's rep
- Someone close this thread, it's stupid and the issues have been resolved already
Couldn't help but notice Adhelles comment about, the only reason Lumina players are on NeuRO is because they have alot of maintenance.
I am not sure, if serious or not... because if they were actual loyal members they would have stayed on LuminaRO
Im not sure if you are able to read or not, but I never said that. I said that some of the players that went to your server went because of that. And it is true. Unlike you, I'm not cocky and I never disrespected your server or your work. Even when your players started advertising on mine long before we had technical issues and I never registered on your forums to insult anyone, never told it was ran by 13 year olds. I never talked to you before, neither you to me. Neither have you talked to all of my players. So I ignore how you could possibly judge my work on lumina and the attitudes of a lot of people with words like these. Anyway, farewell, and please stop posting. It's certainly the best for you at the moment.
I am able to read and;
QuoteChoco, you actually should know that no, there's a lot of players on your server that are NOT there for your server. They are there because Lumina is undergoing maintenances every 5 minutes. Could be 5, could be 50, could be 100.
I thought you said some?
I never said your server was run by 13 years old. I am legal and old and usually a bit cranky.
If anyone from my server did it to you, I dont care if you open a thread about it, they deserve to be punished and let the public know what mistake they have done.
QuoteCould be 5, could be 50, could be 100. I have no idea.
=/= all players.
Stop twisting my words.
Unless you really have nothing else better to do, like when you registered on my forums. If so, then knock yourself out. I'm outta here ;)
Quote from: adhelle on Aug 28, 2011, 01:09 PM
Im not sure if you are able to read or not, but I never said that. I said that some of the players that went to your server went because of that. And it is true. Unlike you, I'm not cocky and I never disrespected your server or your work. Even when your players started advertising on mine long before we had technical issues and I never registered on your forums to insult anyone, never told it was ran by 13 year olds. I never talked to you before, neither you to me. Neither have you talked to all of my players. So I ignore how you could possibly judge my work on lumina and the attitudes of a lot of people with words like these. Anyway, farewell, and please stop posting. It's certainly the best for you at the moment.
- Actually you did say that the only reason why some (or most) players on NeuRO was there because of maintenance. That is basically insulting NeuRO as being kind of like the server you rebound to just because your's is "under maintenance"
- If you had made an account on NeuRO forums and posted about how someone from our server was advertising, then we would have punished them because like I mentioned before, server advertisement on another server is stupid an players just tarnishes the server. You could have posted here to warn about server advertisements (as some of your staff members do, I mean like you could have done it and no one would have b**** at you for doing so, but you didn't so why are you even bringing that up?)
It's alright for Adhelle to post things like this on forums like this, but when its our turn we get raged towards it.
Well guess what Princess, don't post anymore, your players came here because of the incapable staff offered on LuminaRO. After reviewing a topic on LuminaRO [ See below ]
Does it really take you 4 months to reply on a thread that was made on Feb 21st and you reply on June 20th? 4 months for a reply.
- http://board.lumina-ro.com/index.php?/topic/10281-cyclops-eye/ (http://board.lumina-ro.com/index.php?/topic/10281-cyclops-eye/)
Don't you dare say thats the only reason they are here. And guess what, they still are here. So the fail advertisement obviously did not work, and this is going nowhere. Your arguement is invalid. NeuRO got its players for offering a stable environment. Something Lumina could not handle.
inb4 log checking daily.
Adhelle, I'm usually really respectful of you, but telling another server that the only reason they have players is cause Lumina has a lot of maintenances is just you living in denial. There apparently has been a lot going on in Lumina and I honestly believe that a lot of players left for good.
Also Admins handle their server differently than you, if you choose to not ban players for advertising other servers, that's you. I don't blame you for not griping on the other servers forums, cause I'm sure that'd be a lot of accounts you'd have to register on other peoples forums. But its what Choco did, was it smart? Maybe not.
I think you're both being very childish and should honestly just stop posting and be on your way. You're both making a fool of yourself by griping at one another.
START READING
I NEVER SAID THAT.
I SAID THERE ARE PLAYERS THAT DID IT BECAUSE OF THAT.
THIS IS A FACT.
I NEVER SAID THERE ARE NOT PLAYERS THAT DID IT BECAUSE OF OTHER REASONS.
PERIOD.
READ.
Now if you want to continue to twist what I said to use it as excuse to attack me, go ahead. It just shows how ignorant you are.
Princess, Don't write in all caps, it hurts me.
I really could care less about Lumina, Just don't advertise on NeuRO.
OH MY GOD. ADHELLE, LOVER, PLEASE GET YOUR GRAMMAR FIGURED OUT BEFORE TYPING THEN.
Ilubbyou, time to listen to some Adele <3 Someone like you... Adele - Someone Like You (Live in Her Home) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAc83CF8Ejk#ws)
@Adhelle
Quote from: adhelle on Aug 28, 2011, 05:02 AM
Choco, you actually should know that no, there's a lot of players on your server that are NOT there for your server. They are there because Lumina is undergoing maintenances every 5 minutes. Could be 5, could be 50, could be 100. I have no idea.
She doesn't know what she's typing. Popcorn time. Moving on.
Adele - ''Someone Like You'' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qemWRToNYJY#ws)
What's really sad here is that the owners are just making themselves - and by proxy, their servers - look bad :(
Thanks guys, this topic will help me so much on my essay on Animal Behavior in Humans which is due tomorrow. So please, do go on.
Quote from: adhelle on Aug 28, 2011, 05:02 AM
Choco, you actually should know that no, there's a lot of players on your server that are NOT there for your server. They are there because Lumina is undergoing maintenances every 5 minutes.
What were you saying now?
And I meant players from Lumina moving to NeuRO. I suppose I =could= have been a little more specific, but i'm scatter brained. But I'm sure you knew what I meant, since others pointed it out.
On a side note
Quote from: Nitrous on Aug 28, 2011, 02:02 PM
Thanks guys, this topic will help me so much on my essay on Animal Behavior in Humans which is due tomorrow. So please, do go on.
This made me lol for real.
Nitrous, You made me lol' pretty hard. Props fro you bro..
Quote from: Aine on Aug 28, 2011, 12:24 PM1). The support ticket that Yusifer (or someone else on this thread) mentioned has only one link to it on the User CP. For people that have not played Lumina, you can't really expect them to be familiar with how the ticket system works. In regards to a direct attempt to contact Adhelle, like Choco said, she hasn't been on RMS for a while, her PMs were full on Lumina forums, her contact email on the User CP matched that of other lower ranked Game Masters that might or might not have been able to help solve the issue. Heck, her forum email button might have been the same as well, so I guess that's why Choco posted this thread here.
If you go on the website, there's a big button that says "Support" that leads to the Support Tickets.
It's reasonable to think that by clicking that, someone could contact the staff directly by e-mail. It should have been the first thing clicked by Choco when on the website (where he/she'd have gone to get to the forums to begin with).
In regards to the bold statement Adhelle made, I often see people saying how they don't want suggestions about LuminaRO because of the way WoE is (apparently competition is bad? I wouldn't know) and are seeking a different server. Maintenances would drive people to either move to another server, be it temporarily or permanently, but from what I've heard, people are leaving because they're searching for a better WoE situation. Maybe NeuRO offers that, and LuminaRO doesn't [anymore]? It's unrealistic to assume that from 500 to 250, the 250+ (since it's a consistent population, meaning more would have left to have it drop to 250 at all hours) all swapped servers uniquely because of five minute maintenances. It could be true, but their leaving due to WoE is an argument much used by prior WoE Guilds on Lumina (that I've seen) who've left to search something better.
ITT:
One server going to die and owner in denial
Another server admin trying to save face
Server advertiser trying to justify what they did
People having really bad reading comprehension
P.S. All servers are rebounds for players.
Quote from: adhelle on Aug 28, 2011, 05:02 AM
Choco, you actually should know that no, there's a lot of players on your server that are NOT there for your server. They are there because Lumina is undergoing maintenances every 5 minutes. Could be 5, could be 50, could be 100. I have no idea.
Edit: No wait...
Isn't this your email?
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6734/chocoe.png)
Oh, seems like it is :)
http://whois.domaintools.com/neu-ro.net (http://whois.domaintools.com/neu-ro.net)
So, like you were saying on my forums, trash server is trash?
When I thought this was over it starts getting interesting... ~Grabs popcorn~
First off, How do you NOT know how long your own maintenance is going to take.
Second off, every 5 mins? From what it sounds, you don't even KNOW what the problem in your server is.
Third off, Your server's BEEN dying since you fired the somewhat DECENT staff you had a good year and a half ago.
Fourth off, You're one of the most immature admins EVER that barely pays ANY attention to what players are TELLING you.
It doesn't even seem like you give a s**t about your own community.
And the fact that you didn't "ban" anyone for "advertising" on your server just shows how DESPERATE you are to "keep" what little people you still have left on your server.
With that being said. You're an admin, and rules still apply to you just as anyone else. How DARE you post another members' info on public forums without ASKING them for permission first. I could care less if you trace her IP and whatnot, but giving out her e-mail is just absurd. Proving once again that you're a s**t admin that is immature and irresponsible.
OH AND BY THE WAY.... I HAVE played neuRO, and Choco is a HELL of a better admin than you. I wish you luck in whatever you do though.
OMFG...just let this thread die already
I have to say do not assume to much Choco. Your population with 500+ peak is what you boast now? How many are vendors? and how many uses dual clients. I suggest making it no at with no dual client allowed and let's see your population. You're saying Lumina RO's staff is incompetent then how about the randomizer people are requesting? I've seen servers done it.
http://neu-ro.net/board/index.php/topic,319.0.html (http://neu-ro.net/board/index.php/topic,319.0.html) - requested July 17 its already September. Done after player request in days (in other servers I played at)
http://neu-ro.net/board/index.php/topic,1293.0.html (http://neu-ro.net/board/index.php/topic,1293.0.html) - doubt if you can do this in Flux but I've seen 2 servers with this in flux. ( Done after player request in days in other servers I played at)
I'll be watching your really nice changelogs show me your competence as RO devs.
IMO your server is only attractive since its using the paid ea mod (bg conquest) other than that try to remove it and let's see :)
511 Player Peaking.
127 in Vending.
384 actual players.
As for the approved pending threads; Some things we cannot get to asap. Like the ones you listed, other things, we finish it within less than 24hours - 78 hours.
eAMOD is a feature. Like it or not. It'll be here. Its what we offer.
Now quit reviving the thread.
@fqx
> like choco said, almost 400 actual players (i doubt most are dual clients since people dont dual hps here for buffs since we have a buffer healer) and still growing day by day. the rule of thumb is: no woe, no server. woe guilds are attracted here because you can get mats easily [via bg] and the guilds here are attracting because the admin can fix issues and take suggestions without acting like know it alls. the woe here is getting better as we speak (three guilds going head on- ct, rem, and innuendo, two being geared up atm- turtles and rhapsody) and i hear rumours that were getting more guild transfers applying(; [and these guilds arent just woe guilds- they actual take time to pvm and mvp and s*** and do events / voting aka theyre here to stay until clive or choco f*** up which i highly doubt they will)
> lumina admins takes four months to reply to bug reports / tech support / suggestions. even after those four months, they are either 1) not fixed 2) denied because the staff there thinks they know everything (*coughcough -points at the lp hole situation from about a year back-*), or 3) is ignore once again until the entire server b**** them out / they loose a massive population and realize "oh maybe we should have accepted that suggestion...". afaik the only decent gms that are still there are luna (who is mainly events) and satyre (who left because of the s*** but for some reason is back there for god knows what reason). adhelle refuses to fire the retards that think they know what theyre doing, but in reality they just act "professional" and really dont know what theyre saying.
> neuro admins and head game masters actually check logs often to catch dupers and whatnot and bot hunt- they just dont sit in town and afk all day with cute hats on
> afaik lumina uses eamod as well [with simliar badge to consumable ratios]... and most servers use eamod these days. so idk how its the only feature attracting players :(
tl;dr
must be the space monies
HAI CUBANO<3
There needs a new topic if the discussion is going to be focused on NeuRO vs LiminaRO.
The purpose of this topic is done and troll is moving in.
Deleted posts, handed out some warnings and locking this now.