Which class for PvP?

[Rien]

Okay, so I'm playing a certain server with:

1. Max level 255 base and job
2. 4k drop rates (everything drops with 100% chance)
3. Custom items (but for this question, I'm not using any)
4. Third Jobs (important)
5. Max base stat of 300 and max aspd of 195

And right now pvp is over my head. I've made:

1. A Rune Knight (with no runes since I can't for the life of me figure out how to make one)
2. A Warlock
3. A Mechanic
4. A Taekwon Ranker
5. A Guillotine Cross (Soul Breaker)
6. A Ninja (which I'm planning to delete)
7. A Sura (this is for MVP tanking purposes so I won't really consider her for pvp)
8. A Genetic (Str based but has a bit of INT)
and
9. A Gypsy (which I'm in the process of leveling)

The thing is, every one of my characters can't hold their own in PvP. I'm either being constantly one-shotted or something similar. I never even have half a second to fight back.

Here are some problems I face:
1. On autoattack based characters, I tend to just keep missing (Taekwon ranker especially)
2. Some skillspam based characters miss a lot too
3. Low, low, LOW damage in pvp (I'm talking about Comet dealing 20 hits of 600 or so damage)
4. Being one-shotted (I die to 141k NEAR INSTANT [stones being cast in a split second] tetra vortexes and 600k+ Asura strikes, or Cross Impacts at 60k/hit)
5. Opponents love to use cloaks (More of a problem when I can't target them when using something like.. box of sunlight though I can see them)
6. Dying extremely fast after spawning in the pvp map (linked to being one-shotted)

I'm seriously running out of ideas on what to do now. I want something that can do well, but so far it's just me being outdone in every aspect and the only way I can kill someone is to either use a RK with Death Bound or use a Royal Guard with Reflect and hope they don't heal in between my deaths.

Some MVP cards have been nerfed on the server, such as:
Maya Purple card nerfed to give -25% (or was it -10%?) max HP
GTB card now compounds on armors and only gives -20% magic damage instead of full immunity
Orc Lord cards reflect 20%
Maya Reflect at 25%
Tao Gunka gives -200 def/mdef
Baphomet card removed

Here are some trends I see in PvP:
1. Opponent loves to use cloaking or cards to the same effect
2. Near-instant tetra vortex (I've been told this is done by reaching 195 aspd on a warlock, but is it really worth it?)
3. Enemy somehow sees cloaked characters, I've been told this is done by using "Box of Sunlight", but it weighs a lot!
4. Cloaked Characters can't be targeted without using something like Ruwach or Sight beforehand or AoE such as Lord of Vermilion
5. Cloaked Characters move too fast to be hit by Storm Gust
6. Most of them use Incantation Samurai cards

Other things to note:
Ice Pick doesn't drop/is not available

Just what can I use that can hold it's own?

I need:

1. Class (obviously)
2. Build (please post stats. As I've said earlier, the max stat is 300)
3. Equipment (please consider the card changes mentioned earlier when suggesting something)
and 4. How to kill the goddamn cloakers (though it's probably stated in the build)

[Sarin]

Diagnosis. General Server Screwup complicated by General PvP Inexperience.

First thing, are renewal mechanics on server? If not, 3rd classes=find another server.

Low HIT is the reason why you are missing, happens a lot in over 99 max level setting. Use Phreeoni card in weapon or get a very high DEX. Low damage is cause usually by using neutral element attack when GR/deviling cards are available, if my memory servers me right comet is neutral. Use different elements...

And of course, apparently the server is screwed up by too easy oneshotting.

[Kensei]

SinX and Champs da best, followed by bolter prof and raging creo

[Rien]

Diagnosis. General Server Screwup complicated by General PvP Inexperience.

First thing, are renewal mechanics on server? If not, 3rd classes=find another server.

Low HIT is the reason why you are missing, happens a lot in over 99 max level setting. Use Phreeoni card in weapon or get a very high DEX. Low damage is cause usually by using neutral element attack when GR/deviling cards are available, if my memory servers me right comet is neutral. Use different elements...

And of course, apparently the server is screwed up by too easy oneshotting.

Yes, there are renewal mechanics, though I don't really understand them.

And I don't deal much damage using other elements either. Crimson Stone only does 3k/hit on some of them, Jack Frost tends to kill my friends because they're too lazy to party (Either way it does the same amount as Crimson Stone).

SinX and Champs da best, followed by bolter prof and raging creo

The raging creo and sinX caught my eye. more explanation please?

(I have no idea what a raging creo is)

[Kensei]

SinX = go to town -> get link -> enter PvP -> EDP -> Cloak -> Sonic Blow -> Cloak

common routine used to grow e-peen by using SinX

as for raging creo :

grab 1k bombs -> get bragi (or devo if can) -> rush to PvP and mad bombing everyone on sight with Bragi + AHK nodelay

nice e-peen boost as well

[Rien]

Tried Creator, I didn't even get off AHK before dying to cloaked gx with cross impact...

[Malarija]

no renewal, gx = pro with no edp nerf
anyways, crea is lame since prolly most of them just perma gr/devi so you won't really do dmg with AD
try out that demonic fire (seems to be spammable) so just spam on them, get a vanil for magic aswell, could hurt if people have bg sets with gr/devi (and homuns not demi)

otherwise, just go with the flow, go gx, dual dagger with cards, edp , ??, profit

[uncelebrated]

^exactly.

3rd jobs + no RE mechanics = lol gx edp.

[Rien]

The server DOES have renewal mechanics. Does it still change anything?

[Malarija]

then cross impacts wouldn't go to 60k per hit, unless you're wearing gr+devi and no cranial and the gx is using verters

and you did say it's near insta, so it's not renewal mechanics
in renewal, it's not easy to get near insta (since most of the skills get 20% fixed cast time)

[Rien]

Well, I don't have cranial,

150 DEX gets you instant cast (but I still see a lot of things with cast time still, like highwiz amp. magic and gunslinger Tracking)

Probably because a lot of the weapons I am given are two handed.

I'll go grab a cranial today or something and see how it goes.

[Malarija]

then you don't have renewal mechanics on the server if you can get insta on every skill lol

but ye, gx with edp ftw then i guess, ranger could be ok if people don't use that pneuma card

BB rk? worked okish when i did it on simmilar servers, but champs that fo and sinxes rule there i guess

[Leamee]

boned infil + 8 w/ BSB shackles raydric or gr, ED EDP and wind ele converter. Use an SL for link and SB like there's no tomorrow.

[Malarija]

sinxes that sb should get kiels otherwise that sb damage mostlikely won't one shot people so they need to stack up 2 or 3 sb's to actually kill people

[Kensei]

Carnage Katar anyone?

[Rien]

can't obtain BG weapons on the server since nobody goes to BG ._.

[ncotcemo]

GX and champ is the winner at pvp with 255 max lvl and easy drop rate [ include mvp card rate huh? ]

for my opinion,

with GX CLASS

uppheadger to acc

HEADGER
-Alice doll with kiel
-your own item in your private server with maya purple [ if only your ps doesnt have the item to see cloaking enemy ], if the ps serve that item, take off and swap to vanberk
-your own item in your private server with vanberk

ARMOR
take 4 different effect
-valkrya armor with ghost
-lucius armor with garm
-lucius armor with tgk card
-divine clothes with detale

WEAPON
-its up to you, every class have different weapon, its about you what do you face up

SHIELD
the only shield that you have to bring is,
valkrya shield with gtb/maya


GARMENT
-valkrya manteau with deviling
-diablous manteau with raydric
-diablous manteau with noxious

SHOES
best you use variant shoes

Acc,
ring of ressonance [drop from ifrit]
brisingamen [ if available ]


sura,
its about goh or asura,
in that max lvl,
u better play goh.
so max ur hp up lol
if the enemies use ghost,
try to get 4 stormy knight card in your fist.
if they freeze,
change it to turtle general and do goh.
more hp more damage man
Posted on: Mar 31, 2011, 11:52 pmsorry i dont read your note perfectly.
now my opinion its fault.
better u find another server

[Leamee]

Then as I said get a bloody or boned infil and also use str and dex food at the very least. Try to get your infil to +8, shouldn't be hard at those rates. IMO get valk armor and you're set, you shouldn't bother too much about def stuff, standard +7 w/ raydric will do, Sins aren't the best tanks ever so just focus on getting more attack to OS weak players and 2 shot people. Also, get wind ele converter or aspersio as most people will wear ED, marc or maybe swordfish.

[Malarija]

Sins aren't the best tanks ever

they have the 3rd highest hp modifier in the game behind lk and pally
the fault that sinxes aren't tanks goes to idiots that perma katars/dual dagger and never heard of switching

[Sarin]

SinX have identical hp mod to pallies, they jsut don't have the skill to get extra HP. Real reason is the fact that they don't have any defensive skills, their weapons usually don't go well with shield, and generally don't have enough stat points to get 90+ base vit in normal builds.

[Malarija]

we are talking bout 255 max lvl so ye

those are easy servers, 2 daggers/swords w/e with cards edp converter and normal hit the fool

[Rien]

Sins aren't the best tanks ever

they have the 3rd highest hp modifier in the game behind lk and pally
the fault that sinxes aren't tanks goes to idiots that perma katars/dual dagger and never heard of switching

Actually here most third jobs get reduced hp per vit.

But still yeah I'm trying it out and so far 6k/hit with cross impact

I wanna know how the hell do they figure out my katar element so fast.

[Malarija]

didn't talk about 3rd classes, but by default it's the same hp mod but with shadow chasers paired with sinx and pally, actually, not helpful

umm, it's not that hard to guess elements, try to get all element katars and switch em (like, marina daggers, throw dagger freeze em, wind katar CI ftw etc) or just randomly switch katars
(usual ones, cursed water/wind/earth, not blocked by valk anyways)

and maybe they switch to angeling when they see you so that takes off 25% off your dmg

[Leamee]

Yeah just use lots of ele katars keep switching and you'll hit them hard, use bm of course.

[nightshade]

server with third jobs - shadow chaser or shura , server without thirds - sinx always.

[Ace]

Warlock if you ask me,

Cannot dodge the skills