Instead of the whole "trans classes with retarded unbalanced skills" deal, they should just do a normal class mix.
You make a char. You make it into a Swordie. You make it into a Knight. You reach 99. You rebirth. You make a Merchant. You make a Blacksmith. Result: Knight/Blacksmith.
Simple, balanced*, elegant.
Rules:
- all skill prereqs still obligatory
- level 50/70 job limits
- HP and SP is (class1+class2)/2
- job bonuses from both classes apply
- allowed weapons are logical OR
- allowed armors are logical AND
* - at least I believe so - you're welcome to throw class ideas around.
That's cool and creative, will lead to big drama if it really happen though.
I guess need lots of modification to keep it balanced.
I heard there was one server where you can have 2 job in one, similar idea, I however forgot the name.
I doubt it'll be more balanced than trans..more likely it'll be even worse. Imagine for example priest/paladin, or paladin/wizard...
perma novice + any other class
make that class have 1/4th the hp and sp, but gain the skill play dead
<3 lol that'll be so cute if you ask me
i think people would deserve that if they can get a perma novice to 99 XD
Quote from: Sarin on Nov 02, 2008, 11:36 AM
I doubt it'll be more balanced than trans..more likely it'll be even worse. Imagine for example priest/paladin, or paladin/wizard...
Paladins are trans. Obviously all trans are out of the picture(2-1 and 2-2 only).
right...my bad, I meant crusader. Probably almost every class that uses shield would take that as a second class because of shield skills.
Or Hunter/Wizard. Instant cast anyone?
EDIT: Swt, I meant Wizard/Hunter -.- Just Attn Conc and go around instant-casting JT and SG.
Quote from: fluidin on Nov 02, 2008, 10:06 PM
Or Hunter/Wizard. Instant cast anyone?
shoot magic through a bow =3
knight and sader would be cool. now that spear wont be useless on your sader.
Is it a total of 70 skill points or 140? Seems a little annoying having to split it between two classes if it's only 70. . .
Would you be able to trans into the same class? If so, any extra benefits?
Interesting ideas. Hope someone at least tries. I'd be willing to play.
Quote from: InFlamesWeTrust on Nov 03, 2008, 01:58 AM
Is it a total of 70 skill points or 140? Seems a little annoying having to split it between two classes if it's only 70. . .
That's the catch. Plus, all prereqs still apply, and first class has only 50 skill points to spend as well.
QuoteWould you be able to trans into the same class? If so, any extra benefits?
I guess? You could make it 2x class, that is you can take all skills twice. lol 2x Faith, 100% holy res!
QuoteInteresting ideas. Hope someone at least tries. I'd be willing to play.
Great, you make animations for the class sprites to use all weapon types, and I'll code it :P
i think itll work. since no trans skills 70skill points should lead to a variety of builds which would make for interesting pvp/woe since you wont be one of two or three cookie cutter builds.
if anyone actually starts this up sign me up as a tester/regular player it should be heaps fun.
Lol it seems like a very cute idea, I think it'd be a lovely thing to have, but I'm not so sure as to how the players would take to the idea ^_^;
Lol, nice idea.
Even tho i do think this will be hard to do.
Since all of the combinations possible, it can be realy hard to make it balanced.
And once the 5 best combinations have been found, most ppl prolly will use those. Sure, that wont be that big of a difference from how its now,
but just imagine almost all players on a server being the same 5 (just an example of course) builds. /swt
But good idea anyway. ^^
That's what i thought at first when i heard about the rebirth system. It'll tons of fun when this happens. I think it'll be rather fun to make a blacksmith/creator, blacksmith/high priest, and monk/high priest(especially battle high priest and battle creator). Man, won't it be crazy if any of them work well...
I do actually think that all the possible builds (except perhaps really stupid ones that one thinks of just to prove me wrong XD) would be useful in some way, just as it is now with the trans we have. It will probably just take a bit more planning ahead.
Sounds imbalanced at first, but when you remove any trans skills from the picture it actually sounds good, at least in theory.
priest/wiz would be sweet, healing, buffing and killer spells :D a very self-reliant class.
I like the sound of that... But what would it be called then? I mean, every combination would require a new name... Wizz/priest = ?
Nice idea. Balance is one question, but at least everyone can make killer combination. Would be fun to try server like that.
Hmm I wonder what I would make... So many possibilities.
Btw, would that include extended classes?
Wizard/Hunter: Like Wizard doesn't already get instant cast with rebirth? Besides, its not like the other classes doesn't have a combination of their own to counter this.
This idea sounds nice though. We would really see a different array of skills in PvP and WoE. Even thinking about it, makes my heart race. :P
I vote on the whole RMS forum population on making this kind of server. :P
Wizz with improve concentration lvl 10.. /slur
Quote from: Avisari on Nov 04, 2008, 09:23 AM
Btw, would that include extended classes?
They're balanced to be just below trans, so no.
Heh, ninja/wizz could have been fun..
imagine a monk mixed with wizard. the insane sp per int of a wizard along with asura would ensure you could kill any mvp with a few asuras. haha.
Ohh, now i want to be able to try... >_>
I'd actually go through the bother of downloading RO once more for a server like this. Though only if quest skills will be available >.>
Sounds like a pain to code honestly, not something your average cookie-cutter "hey let's open a new server" can do, it would take someone seriously dedicated with a lot of time to work on this, mixing classes, reworking equipment restrictions, mixing skills, etc. sure would be fun to try playing however!
Aye, while it seems simple to make some coding for 'pick option, add skills', there's a lot of work involved. A friend of mine makes database software, which you'd think is simple but gives me headaches just by looking at it.
I'd pick Hunter/Blacksmith. Mammonite arrows, mmm. Then buff up for double strafing if I feel like that too.
Monk/Prof = 1. Asura Strike 2. one blue pot 3. soul change 4. Asura rince n repeat. *drools*
Quote from: Scars on Nov 02, 2008, 11:34 AM
That's cool and creative, will lead to big drama if it really happen though.
I guess need lots of modification to keep it balanced.
I heard there was one server where you can have 2 job in one, similar idea, I however forgot the name.
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/paid-services//ragnaworks-project/0/
RagnaWorks i was a proff hunter :3 but i quit since there was no one to play against
Seems like they havent updated in a while, I would send all the Gm's Emails to reply here and advertise to get some beta players
Quote from: Link1 on Nov 07, 2008, 05:40 AM
Monk/Prof = 1. Asura Strike 2. one blue pot 3. soul change 4. Asura rince n repeat. *drools*
Except there wouldn't be trans classes, so you couldn't be Prof. At least, that's my understanding of it.
Yeah.
Also note that Monks have abysmal SP mod, and the system takes half of both. So Wiz/Monk would have less SP than pure Wiz.
Also also, to get Level 5 Guillotine Fist you need to spend 20 points on Acolyte skills and 22 points on Monk skills, which leaves you with only 29 skill points on Magician skills and 47 on Wizard's.
Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Nov 07, 2008, 10:33 AM
Also also, to get Level 5 Guillotine Fist you need to spend 20 points on Acolyte skills and 22 points on Monk skills, which leaves you with only 29 skill points on Magician skills and 47 on Wizard's.
If that would leave me enough points to get Level 10 Jupitel Thunder, I'd do it.
Why JT? Why not SG?
I like JT.
Hunter/Wizard is the most plausible one there. Hunter you don't really "need" to much as I even doubt if you will really get anything from hunter except ankle snare and a few other traps. So you only use the 41 archer skills basically, and the rest is in wizard.
Wizard/Priest is not as good as it sounds... Priest is hard pressed enough as is for skill points. You are mixing in all the skills necessary to unlock JT/SG too? You're still super squishy and you don't gain a lot except bless, agi, and pneuma (I have doubts if you got the skills to unlock anything else.) Heal is nice as support but nothing game changing compare to an existing wiz using vitata for yourself heh...
It's a neat idea, but probably suffer "mouRO complex" where the idea is so fresh and new that it ends up repelling people because it is THAT new.
Hunter/Assassin
hmmm...
Sonic Blow which never miss
High dodge and flee
cloaking
falcon
fast attack speed
traps
poisons
is that all right?
Sonic Blow can miss, and Flee is useless in WoE. Also, there are ways for characters that are not Assasin to be able to Cloak.
Lol. A fricking cloaking hunter would be DAMN annoying.
Quote from: CookieEater on Nov 11, 2008, 06:33 AM
Sonic Blow can miss, and Flee is useless in WoE. Also, there are ways for characters that are not Assasin to be able to Cloak.
atleast the other guy laugh :P... o'well
Well. Frilldora cloaking only works at walls, and I seriously doubt anyone on low rates has a SinX MVP card.
Quote from: fluidin on Nov 11, 2008, 08:57 AM
Well. Frilldora cloaking only works at walls, and I seriously doubt anyone on low rates has a SinX MVP card.
True, but you can still do it.
And, while also not exactly perfect: Shadow Walk!
Hunter/Rogue o.O
Attention concentrate, better dex bonus, strip skills, bowling bash (copied), backslide and increase dodge :x
I'd go for rogue/clown. Damn dangerous both at range and at melee.
You would have to use rogue/bard, the concept here is to have 2 non-reborn classes, it might be unbalancing with the various combinations, but with no trans skill it still retains some sort of fairness.
No reborn classes people. Just plain ol' 2nd class.
The possible builds is near endless.. :D
right, I meant bard, it's just I am too used on trans classes so it sometimes slip in...
So many interesting combination to try, if such a server existed I would hope this server would have a test server with higher rates just to try stuff.
Blacksmith+Rogue
My ele damas would love the Overthrust, and I could get gank hopefully fitted into it too. With capability to grab improve dodge...mmmmm I dunno this seems like a wickedly great PvM build to me with possibilties in PvP...
Or I would do Sage+Monk for pneuma and triple attack xD
Yeah suddenly a bolter battle sage doesn't seem like such an unloved build anymore, you combine it with a melee class and it sounds pretty good.
wiz-crusader sounds like something that would be fun to try, decent hp, armor and tanking capabilities, high resistance to ranged attack, holy damage area attack and heal 10 along with all the wiz good spells.
Bard/dancer open some awesome possibilities...they have IC, and they posess melee weapons that take their damage from dex.
Bard/Dancer? I don't think it will be possible unless there's plastic surgery in RO, lolz.
Quote from: ngjoko on Nov 11, 2008, 05:23 PM
Bard/Dancer? I don't think it will be possible unless there's plastic surgery in RO, lolz.
I think he meant to pair with another Job Class.
xD that'd be funny though, to have every dance possible?
Well, it'd be funny to see a dancer with an instrument and sing or a bard with a whip and dance. I changed my mind..., rather disgusting.
Bard/Dancer isn't possible unless there's a gender changer in the server.
Quote from: Pandora on Nov 11, 2008, 01:42 PM
Yeah suddenly a bolter battle sage doesn't seem like such an unloved build anymore, you combine it with a melee class and it sounds pretty good.
Actually, I would think this build would be more interested possibly in Damage Per Second or possible crit build maybe with fury? Could be an interesting tank also with Mental Strength and Blade Stop combined with Land Protector (don't think you could fit all that into the build sadly though)...
I prefer plastic surgeon, different clothes but same hair style, or not or whatever. Go for surgery right after reborn, or better, valkyrie will ask for our choice of new gender.
bard/dancer
lol good thinking (i didnt think of that :D)
I was actually thinking about bard OR dancer + other class...but yea, would be looking funny...would it be man with boobs or....
Don't even go there. :-\
I like the sound of Knight/Assassin though.
hehe...Assasin with peco? Would be interesting....
The pop star's(bard/dancer) clothes alone is very disturbing, not to say figure or hair style...
Hmmm, i'm not too certain about sin on pecos, first of all how should they even attack? Unless you can use double sonic blow, from your sin and peco at the same time, other wise it's just odd for sins to ride on those birds.
Priest/Assassin
Good luck trying to kill that.
Or assassin/crus...also kinda tough to kill. Could have both flee, high hitpoints and thara+shield skills.
Hey...assassin+dancer...can you imagine dual whip build?
What's the effect of whip weapons? I'd never played as girls so i never know.
Double whip sounds like a beast tamer or a maniac who ties men or women on bed and whip them.
if you did knight/hunter, would you have a character on a peco with a falcon? XD
if so that'd be cool, x3
Quote from: ngjoko on Nov 12, 2008, 05:33 PM
What's the effect of whip weapons? I'd never played as girls so i never know.
Double whip sounds like a beast tamer or a maniac who ties men or women on bed and whip them.
Obviously it's the maniac.
i don't wana know how you guys start thinking this up X.x
but its funny how many new classes you can just think about creating using two classes and combining them~
you people are starting to scare me >.>
Monk/Rogue anyone? You don't even need plagiarize.
But wouldn't that confuse the user if he wants to use monk's combo and ended up with thief's double attacks? Either way, it's still very cool, ranged attacks with bows, multiple close range attacks, super dodging, and finish move asura.
I don't do tech copying, so i don't mind not having to copy moves. Even if i do want to copy, i'd do that only if i were a stalker not rogue, it's pointless to copy and not able to preserve it.
Hm, Hunter and Wizard keeps coming back in to my head.
Hunter/Wizard: Ankle Snare, Instant Storm Gust, Wind Arrows, Double Straffe, repeat.
Crusader/Assassin: Cloak, Grand Cross, repeat
Priest/Assassin: Buff, raise, heal, de-buff, abuse cloak, annoy, repeat
Monk/Hunter: Less DEX, more damage and vit asura strike.
Crusader/Knight: Hurray for spear quicken and spear skills
Assassin/Wizard: Cloak, majeek2death, repeat
Ninja/Crusader: Final Strike with more HP anyone?
There's probably more, but oh well.
No extended classes though.
The point of dual whips is you need dex, not str to use them...and IC will boost both dex and agi, making it deadly crit build. Another point is just whipping people ;)
there is...78 possible combinations I think...if I am counting correctly. Balancing such thing will be hell....
Quote from: ngjoko on Nov 12, 2008, 05:33 PM
What's the effect of whip weapons? I'd never played as girls so i never know.
Same as Instruments: damage calculated through Dex instead of Str.
Well, there are 13 originals, so reborn should end up with 169 new jobs, with 13 original trans classes, with bard/dancer included.
Quote from: Sarin on Nov 13, 2008, 03:47 AM
The point of dual whips is you need dex, not str to use them...and IC will boost both dex and agi, making it deadly crit build. Another point is just whipping people ;)
there is...78 possible combinations I think...if I am counting correctly. Balancing such thing will be hell....
The game will balance itself and there will be a few favorites build. But its not like only a few build is good. There will be other combination to counter other combination of builds. Like I said, an array of skills and technique in PvP.
Crusader + Hunter would be pretty awesome
All the DEX Bonuses from a Hunter + Uber Powerful Bow + Crusader's GC 10 and heal/holy skills = One deadly, near instant casting GC
NECROMANCY!
Anyways, Assassin + Hunter for strategical playing, setting traps around, throwing enemies at them, setting up a giant trap by using grimtooth and stuff, using the falcon to detect other assassins, and stuff and stuff.
I don't really think it would end up unbalanced, a build that I think nobody listed would be Hunter/Knight, it would not end weak, counting you would be able to run fast and repel enemies with Spear Stab(Using BM to change items) and then regenerating fastly enough to come back to battle without even needing a heal. Or even Crusader/Bard, who would be able to give full support in woe without being knocked down by anything and having enough HP to surpress damage when invading and healing with Apple. Or Bard/Assassin, who could keep flashing(Putting a music for a sec then changing wep to knife), cloak and flash somewhere else, thus allowing him to never be bothered when buffing the allies.
I believe there would be no unbalance, there are just other way to play, you can say that a Crusader/Knight would be overpower because he would have speed with spears and brandish, but using spear quicken would sacrifice a shield, thus not allowing survival on WoE and stuff, or a Sage/Wizard walking around while using water ball spam would be too strong, but he would need to eventually recast deluge, so you could just spam him with stun to avoid his water balls.
And even if a truly good build was found, people would eventually make other build to counter it, and people would make a build to counter the counter build, that into a infinite spiral of weird and peculiar builds, that would be funny to watch, a server with those things =p.
Instant cast Wizards with Bird capabilities are still a tad above most other combinations though.
Six pages about an idea I had while drunk.
Not bad.
Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Feb 01, 2009, 03:20 AM
Six pages about an idea I had while drunk.
Not bad.
Which Idea is NOT made while drunk?