I'm currently trying to decide how i will allocate my build when my sin transcends. I just want to hear what people have to say about the skills. I'm on a low drop rate(3x) low population server, so Deadly Poison Bottles aren't too fun to make.(But, I would be willing to hunt them, as i already hunt for acid/bomb bottles for my Creator >_>)
Please give me wich one you like and why.
And if you choose EDP say whether you prefer crit/2dagger/ normal(SB) (Though I know all can work well with it, and could probably go hybrid to utilize all of them, I wanna know wich you like doing better.)
Also if you give suggested equipment, please don't give any MVP/miniboss cards, I AM on a 3x drop.
Soul Breaker(Soul Destoryer) vs Enchant Deadly Poison
There is really no good reason that you can't have both.
I consider myself a Sin whenever I would play. It's the only class I really felt comfortable with.
I am not a big fan of Meteor Assault, because I think there are more important things to use points on. I usually have the minimum in MA, just for spam fun in pvp.
I play agi-less Soul Breaker/Sonic Blow builds, so for me, EDP and SBk play an equally important part. SBk can deal (or at least used to, as I know the formula was changed semi-recently) a decent enough chunk of damage to one-hit an average player, without wasting as much time and cast delay as Sonic Blow. Also the fact that it's ranged helps for when you don't want to be upfront with an enemy. SB with EDP is generally the main weapon though.
If you are playing a sin and not investing in EDP, I think you're using the wrong class, IMHO.
This information is based on how the skills and items were a year or so ago, as I have not really played much since then. But I don't think they changed that much to make this a worthless build. I'd still risk wasted hours by making the same build, granted I ever play again.
Well Pure SBk doesnt get EDP, and MA is actually quite useful in combination with(spam at the emp ftw)
And Hybrids are mediocre at both, id wrather be good at one. (Though you could argue that you get str for SBk, I usually focus on the int half though. As i dont have an aresenal of mummy cards.)
Theres no resetting here what so ever here either, so I'm gonna pretty much stick to one or the other.
You don't necessarily have to be a hybrid and be mediocre at both.
You can focus on one, and be very strong at one, and mediocre at the other.
And I know that EDP doesn't apply to the SBk, but unless you're going to be a full time SBk/MA build, you should have enough points for EDP.. and anything other than said build will be using EDP, because at some point or another, you'll benefit from the damage bonus when using anything other than SBk or MA.
Spamming MA on the emp can only mean you're a defensive unit, otherwise -would- have EDP, and you'd be more focusing on damage to the emp than status'ing attackers.. and from a defensive point of view, I think it's more effective to take the eliminate-one-by-one strategy than to annoy mass groups of attackers.
Just my thoughts, but of course it's up to you.
And anyway, regarding Mummy cards, with the right SB/SBk build you'll have enough dex from having very low agi to hit without the aid of cards.
I know how each build is set up, I don't need a lecture.
Both have potential to 1~2 hit classes; I'm asking wich one is more ease of use and convience with its strengths. Personally I really don't want to hunt EDP bottles. I'm also assuming I won't be reaching Job level 70 in the neer future, skill point alocations in mind. Regarding my reference to mummy's would be im trying to maximaze damage. Therefor I wouldn't want to sacrifice much points into dex, though arguably I wouldn't need to as there are rarely any agi chars, besides well... other sins. I digress.
Cost effectiveness vs. ease of use(including bottle hunting) vs. dmg output
In all my years of playing, I have rarely ever seen a good SBk sin. They were all mediocre, probably because the skill itself isn't designed to be excellent, compared to other skills.
My final thoughts are that a SinX without EDP (regardless of whether or not they actually go out and hunt the bottles) is a waste of time.
SBk and MA are maxed, and you'll be at job level 50. What are you going to spend the rest on.
I have a build that has potential to reach 12~14k, with lex thats uhh pretty deadly.
I also doubt i will have the patience to get past j60. Though I could sacrifice some other skills, like only getting cloaking 2 or something(or was it 3?).
Also I personally would't get MA with SBk; MA is affected by EDP and is pretty much only good in that aspect. (because status and +% cards dont affect it, only ATK cards and buffs) MA without EDP is also just pointless.
Let's here some other people opinions, clearly your an EDPr for life. Would like to hear from someone who prehaps likes SBk to put up a defence. >_>
Well I like SBk too, lol. It was my third-dary skill. But it's been changed since then. Now if you dare use an Infiltrator to SBk you'll look like a fool, because the 50% damage from the katar won't pass onto it.
My primary skill used to be, yeah get ready for it... Venom Knives! EDPd Knives (used to) slay like no one's business. But they also changed. =(
I'm lucky I don't play anymore, my favorite build is useless now. Lol.
(Sonic Blow was my most damaging assault, but I usually only used it if I needed to.)
It's a shame nobody else has replied, If i know it owulda been us 2 i woulda just used the chat thingy Lol. Ihope more people replay soon, I dont feel like leveling it until I know for sure what I'm gonna do.
Need opinions people~
first of all, does SB = Sonic Blow or Soul Breaker? I am really confused.
@arkaith
Sonic Blow + EDP is a cheap trick in my opinion. EDP bottles are a pain to hunt in a 3x rate in the first place. This build is only good for woe and pvp, not for lvling/hunting at all. Depending on how you use your sinx, although overpowering, has its distinct weakness and expensive to afford. Putting Sonic Blow with Soul Breaker is very smart, but Soul Breaker has 3 sec delay with no agi (unless, of course, your server do not have delay) Again, very pvp/woe thinking style.
This build however have critical weakness as well, first of all, to have decent damage in both sonic blow and soul breaker, the build need a sufficient amount of str and int. (If you put no int, and let the magic portion of soul breaker render useless, might as well not have it in the first place.) Also, you need sufficient amount of dex to hit. Thus...making the defense close to 0. Although it is a very strong offensive tactic, it is also easy to destroy with sufficient amount of tanking. (Unless of course you have phree card which will supply some vit)
Sonic blow + edp is like an outright asura, i see no point in such thing other than in woe. However, it seems with gears such powerful attack can't even kill a priest in one hit. People has come around to that, and for a sinx, if you can't destroy them, they destroy you.
I personally like 2 dag, and i like to switch my weap between katar and dag just to mess ppl up. Also i can utilize it in hunting. However, 2 dag is hard to manage sometimes, although ppl say katar and dag don't mix. But whoever said I use katar to crit? :P
SBk = soul breaker SB = sonic blow
Thanks for your insite ClothoX
Though arguably you -could- level with grimtooth EDP in juperos quite easily. Realistically you dont really need defence either if you have an arsenal of reducers either.
Nornal attacking is kinda pointless with all the random 'status when attacked' cards out there, IMO anyways. Though personally I prefer double dagger for hunting and emp breaking. Double Daggers make great Hybrid sins, but right now i want a purist.
Oh if anyone knows can EDP be dispelled? I'd assume so.
/gg Looking forward to more replys.
whats a good build for SBk? i heard INT plays a factor in the damage?
erm d damage is complexly calculated...int plays a role in dat damage...also str ...
Its based on Int and Atk ten calculate in def for the physical half, and reducers for both halfs. A good SBK can hit 12k~14k WITHOUT lex aterna. Thats on max level and stat 99 of course. From personal experience INT helps more, ATK does help signifigantly but the hard part is raising it in conjuction with your hit because it can miss.
Damage on a "hit" = (INT*5*SkillLv + Random(500~1000)) * ((Cranial+Poo)*Immune (if any))
+ (((ATK*SkillLv)*(100-Enemy DEF) - Enemy VIT) * ((Cranial+Poo)*Immune (if any)))* (Elemental Modifier)
Damage on a "miss" = [INT*5*SkillLv + Random(500~1000)]*[(Cranial+Poo)*Immune (if any)]
INT part
-The base damage follows the formula: [(INT * 5 * Skill Level) + Random(500~1000)].
-Never misses. This is what gives SD it's "it never misses!" aspect.
-Is non-elemental. No, not Neutral, but "non-elemental" meaning it is 100% unaffected by element of the target. This means that it will do 100% to Ghost element.
-Because of the way it is coded, Immune(Raydric Card) DOES affect this portion.
-It is affected by Thara Frog Card, Horn Card and Poo.
-Is not affected by MDEF, Maya Card or GTB.
-Is not affected by any +% Damage Cards such as Vadon, Hydra, Skel Worker, Turtle General, etc.
ATK part
-The base damage follows the formula: [(Total ATK - Left Hand Weapon's ATK) * Skill Level]
-Can miss, depending on your hit and your target's flee, just like a normal attack.
-Takes on the elemental property of your weapon (if you are dual weilding it takes on the element of the Right Hand).
-Is affected by target's DEF and VIT.
-Is affected by all cards affecting any normal attack's damage (Immune, Cranial, Horn, Poo)
-Applies any defense-bypassing weapons such as Ice Pick or Combat Knife. -Ice Pick's damage mods apply as well.
-s not affected by any +% Damage Cards such as Vadon, Hydra, Skel Worker, Turtle General, etc.
-ote that +ATK from any weapon Cards do apply, even if other parts of the card do not. Skel Worker's +15% on Medium does not apply, but it's +5 ATK does.
how would you rate this SD build
STR 91 = 120
INT 90 = 100
DEX 40 = 60
VIT 37 = 40
Equips: Poo Poo Hat, Masquerade, Oxygen Mask, Immune Manteau, Ring of Muscle (2 Pcs.), High Level Boots, Any Carded Armor, +4 Ice Pick, +7~+10 Sabre [Zipper Bear*3] [3], +9~+10 Blade [Zipper Bear*4] [4]
Seems pretty good.. You might want to consider less str.. also int doesnt need to be a multiple of 10 as the skill is int based not matk so it wont get the bonus. Vit is arguable, as most SD's just claok attack, and dont plan on getting hit, 40~60 is reasonable imo. Instead of getting more dex, might want to consider Mummy carded weapon, or a Phreeoni if you can get your hands on one.
Additional things.. Elemental Haedonggum's are a must vs monsters. Also might want to consider slotted earings over rings, and a Feather Beret over a Poo Poo Hat. Pest card is nice for armor, but probably also want a Marc/Evildruid. Also Gangster mask over Oxygen.. resist silence.
Its deffinatly a solid start, 85/100
i play on a server with high rates, so getting deadly poisons arent a hastle, but in your case i really don't think that hunting for the karvo's to make the dps are worth your time, use the time it would take to get all those karvo's to hunt for sbk equips and you'll be better off, at least thats what i think.
on my edp build that ive yet to use, i have a little bit of int (16) and the rest just vit, str and dex, but even though it doesn't do that much damage, when i'm against enemies i don't wanna be close to backsliding and sbking is a really good tactic, even if it seems cheap, while with sonic ill have to be close to the enemy.
Well I have a creator, so getting karvo's isnt a problem(cultivation yay), and thats really the only hassle item.
I would say EDP + Sonic Blow or even throw knife. It's cheat but effective in PVP/WOE, EDP is also more than efficient for emp taking. As for the poison bottle, if you're part of a guild you can do bio party and you'll get some.
I never played a sin, but I've seen edp used on me and others and I can vouch for it's effectiveness.
I know how good it is, but on lower rate server making the bottles takes some time.. Also a good Soul Breaker can hit realitvely close to a Sonic Blow, the kicker is its ranged attack, and not close combat. I guess its all about preference in the end, both are great skills.
personally y like SB and hybrid (dagger/katar) if you manage to get an ice pick using EDP and a main gauche with orc skel and desert wolf in the other hand you can destroy the emp in a few secconds. y don't use a sinx because i get lazy hunting for karvos but with a creator everything changes. i hate SBk because yo can't kill priests :S but you rulz the wizards
halo guys
i've just read about this topic
i've question about this
ATK part
-The base damage follows the formula: [(Total ATK - Left Hand Weapon's ATK) * Skill Level]
could you explain me more, i'm sorry because my english poor >.<
i'm playing on a high rate and using a SBk sinx
from what i've read INT is more important than STR?
so it's better to put max STR or INT first?
if I use 4 zipper bear on saber (right hand) will they stack??
because i still don't get the best card combination on right hand >.<
thanks for your reply
Zipper bears do Stack.. I'd say the int half is more important though, based on the fact the INT part never misses.
You best weapons are
Tripple Zipper Bear Saber[3]'s, and Elemental Haedonggum's
Okay, I'm too lazy to read all the posts here, so if I'm repeating what someone else's already said, I apologize.
I've played quite a few RO servers in my non-life, and so far my second favourite class after professor has been assassin cross. I'm pretty confident when it comes to my RO knowledge, especially when it comes to the classes I usually play. Assassin crosses have one good build. And that's Enchant Deadly Poison / Sonic Blow. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is wrong. It's that simple. There is no way in hell that you can top EDP-SB's damage with a Soul Destroyer (Soul Breaker) build. Soul Destroyer has a cast time, insanely long delay, and it lacks in damage. Also, an EDP-SB assassin cross have the bonus of being able to use other good skills, such as Grimtooth and the venom skills. Of course, you'll have the venom skills with a breaker build as well, but I believe it is way more effective as a EDP-SB user, due to your being in close combat most of the time. And do not even forget Grimtooth. There is nothing more annoying than a hidden sin in a chokepoint spamming EDP Grim Tooth during guild wars. You can easily kill most non-vit chars this way, without even having to get close to the battle itself.
Seriously. Do not even touch Soul Destroyer. It is a waste of points for anything but leveling, and leveling is easy as hell as any build with an assassin.
Some people like the range, and overall it isn't THAT weak. Probably one of the best ranged attacks, compared to Vulcan/FA/Spiral/ShieldChain. Not to mention some people don't like hunting EDP's all the time. It's all about preference.
I disagree. EDP-SB is way more powerful. If you're lazy enough to actually avoid using the better build for your class, I think you should try another class.
Range is very different then close range, some people like different styles. On low rate servers People tend to complain about hunting poison bottles. Not to mention its the best ranged spell in the game, Imo.
The best ranged spell in the game has to be Soul Siphon (Professor Mana Burn). Bottles are horribly easy to get, since they only have one even remotely hard drop to get, which you could easily get 100 or so of in one day. Only difference the range will do is against crusaders/paladins. Instead of getting damage reflected upon you, you'll deal no damage due to defender.
Yes, normally range and melee is very different, but due to Soul Breaker's cast time and delay, the bonuses for having a ranged assault get nullified, since people will be able to catch up to you as soon as you use the skill.
Defender does not work with SBk, neither does reflect. While SB WILL be reflected.And in most cases if you edp'd your dead then.
It may be just the server that i play on, but as far as i know, no changes were made.
Myself, if i am going against a non-pally/'zerked LK, i prefer to get a Soul link, and edp somebody for some massive damage.
@slaw
I disagree with Soul Syphon, but that's an opinion. The cast time for SBk is very short, considering you usually get SOME dex. If you do it at a range, they won't catch up to you (if your good at it) then you can just cloak/backslide away. I've seen GOOD SBk'ers, thier actually pretty formidable. Not everyone is a EDP/SL/SB noob.(I say noob, because it's so easy that anyone can pick it up and go around 1 hitting people, it takes little to no skill) >:|
Defender should work against Soul Destroyer.
And Glenn, yes, the cast time isn't very long at all. But it still HAS a cast time. If you're playing against a decent player, that time is enough for them to interrupt or dodge you in one way or another. And they're you're screwed by the insane after-cast delay.
EDP-SL-SB is indeed a very simple build, and most players do know how to play it okay. However, a hit from a fully buffed EDP-SL-SB is always instant kill (taking into consideration Lex Aeterna, there should be atleast 5-6 active good priests in any decent private server guild), while Soul Destroyer deals less damage, is easier to dodge, and has a longer after-cast delay (Not 100% sure about the delay, the semi-recent changes to Sonic Blow gave it a nasty delay as well).
Also, EDP-SB build does require some skill to utilize to it's fullest. You'll have to time item swapping really well, from all-out strength gear and a good pvp katar (such as a bloody infiltrator), into all-out defensive gear such as poopoo/beret/feather beret and a thara guard.
Then there's the insanely big bonus of EDP-SB builds having way more vit than Soul Destroyer builds. As Soul Destroyer is based on both your normal attack value and your int, plus has a cast time that is reduced by dex, you will be needing quite a bit in all those stats. Sonic Blow is only based on your attack value, and, even though you do get some dex for hit ratio, agi users in WoE has become rather rare.
You can't say one is better then the other, because it's all opinionated. Some people are better at playing different playstyles and they are VERY different play styles.
I've played both, but I think SBk is more fun; Personally. It's really not easy as you say to dodge(Like what half a second with SOME dex, surely not enough time to hide or whatever). It DOES pass through defender too. If you know what your doing you can be hitting like 5k~ on good people, while taking little to no damage. Plus they are good for finishers(pvp killsteals XD) I played SBk for a long time, and it does work better then people give creidt.
The fact that it has a cast time/delay is kind of irrelivent. Considering it's ranged, and only has 1 second extra delay(where you can walk around) compared to SB(where you stand NEXT to the guy for the whole 2 seconds), and the cast time is negligable if you have decent def.
For my playing style SB was just too boring for me. You can't say one's better then the other simply because people play different styles better then others. It's all to personal disgression. They both are good. (I'm just an SBker for life =|)
QuoteYou can't say one is better then the other, because it's all opinionated. Some people are better at playing different playstyles and they are VERY different play styles.
Uhm. EDP-SL-SB has a way higher damage than Soul Destroyer, any day. Combined with increased hit chance, less reduction from combined armor, and no cast time. Plus you get a better stat build in the end. So I believe I can say EDP-SL-SB is better than Soul Destroyer.
QuoteI've played both, but I think SBk is more fun; Personally. It's really not easy as you say to dodge(Like what half a second with SOME dex, surely not enough time to hide or whatever). It DOES pass through defender too. If you know what your doing you can be hitting like 5k~ on good people, while taking little to no damage. Plus they are good for finishers(pvp killsteals XD) I played SBk for a long time, and it does work better then people give creidt.
If it's about fun, I'd pick Soul Destroyer. But if I wanted a fun class I'd go for a professor or a priest. Assassins are made for being lame, really, and to me, they're one of the most boring classes out there. A 0,5 second cast time is more than enough. With some training, you can dodge 120 dex asura monks easily. Making Soul Destroyer sins too simple to even consider a threat anymore. I'm even willing to go as far as saying any dodgeable skill with an actual cast time is easily dodged, as long as you put some time into training yourself to do it.
Sure, Soul Destroyer works well. Hell, my first assassin cross was a Soul Destroyer build. But really, you can't even begin to compare a 5k hit on "good people" to the 10k+ damage you can throw out with Sonic Blow on the same person.
QuoteThe fact that it has a cast time/delay is kind of irrelivent. Considering it's ranged, and only has 1 second extra delay(where you can walk around) compared to SB(where you stand NEXT to the guy for the whole 2 seconds), and the cast time is negligable if you have decent def.
Refer to my comment about dodging earlier on in this post.
QuoteFor my playing style SB was just too boring for me. You can't say one's better then the other simply because people play different styles better then others. It's all to personal disgression. They both are good. (I'm just an SBker for life =|)
Refer to the first comment I made in this post.
Nat crit sin
1.5 per hit with sidewinder 3K with high ASPD ;)
@slaw
You can't compare cast time's to asura, because people SEE the monk. Soul Destroyer; people don't see coming, and usually used as a damage support/finisher.
I know SB has higher damage, but the point wasn't wich one was stronger, it's wich one would people wrather play. Hunting bottles on 1/1/1 is NOT very fun mind you. Nor is having a Soul link at all times feasable(and not likely on small servers).
Soul linking's easy. Dual-client. Hunting ingredients is horribly easy. All the drops except one are horribly high drops. Karvos can be bought from any creator.
Most servers don't allow dual-clienting. Ingrediants get tedius to hunt on low rates and alot of people are lazy anyways.
Soul Destroyer IS one of the best ranged spells, that in itself will make people play it.
Soul Breaker is not one of the best ranged spells. I'll list a few spells/skills that are way better for ya.
Cold Bolt (Double casted and memo'd, of course)
Stone Curse/Fire Bolt combo (Double casted and memo'd, if you're a prof)
Frost Diver/Lightning Bolt (Double casted and memo'd, if you're a prof)
Soul Siphon
Frost Diver/Jupitel Thunder combo
Storm Gust/Jupitel Thunder (Or LoV) combo
Double Strafe
Trap/Charge Arrow combo
Frost Joke/Vulcan Arrow combo
Shield Chain
Spiral Pierce
Pressure
I could keep going, but you get my point, don't you?
So what if a server doesn't allow dual clienting? Has that ever stopped you from doing so? It sure as hell hasn't stopped me. And even if you do decide not to dual client, EDP-SB is strong enough without SL to easily outdo Soul Destroyer's damage. If people are lazy, they should play a game with less grinding. Once again, if someone's too lazy to avoid the obviously better build for a class, they're playing the wrong one.
@magics : GTB card
@soul syphon : damage is weak, most people have sp heals anyways.
@charge arrow : knockback disabled in woe, low damage
@frost joke : good people have immune to freeze (I do like Vulcan though)
@shield chain/Spiral : both are allot weaker with close casts/delays
@pressure : cast time and delay ALLOT longer, damage weaker, sp heals
@DS : DS -is- really good all considering, though Defender works against it /sob
Your clearly biased to EDP SB, and your right it didn't stop me till I got banned for dual clienting(Competent GMs?! zomg!). If played well a SBk can be a very formidable opponent, and puts them at less of a risk. Anyways I'm done arguing, I don't even play RO anymore.
Since you're done, I'll just post a final comment about the skills, then leave this thread alone. This argument's been going on for too long anyways.
Magic spells: GTB card? A GTB card is very very rare on most servers. You can't really count MVP cards into the standard builds. If we're going to consider those cards, we could also consider custom gears and 4-slot items.
Soul Siphon: Weak damage? It usually one-hits High Wizards and badly built Professors. Sure, people have SP heals, but they're usually not hotkeyed unless they play a Champ. Also, it does take a little time to restore enough SP, just one Blue Potion won't last the entire battle.
Charge Arrow: Actually, that was a mistake on my part. I meant Arrow Shower. I don't play Hunters enough, sorry. Yes, Knockback's removed in WoE, so the trap/shower combo's only good in PvP. But Shower's very useful for lockdowns, and hunting for cloaked Assassins.
Frost Joke: Most people have started trading in their Marc/Evil Druid armors for status armors such as Pest and Dark Frame. The bigger part of the RO community's horrible at swapping gears, so you'll probably get enough time to freeze them once. Then they're dead.
Shield Chain/Spiral: Weaker than Soul Breaker? Maybe you're right. But they're skills for classes with way more HP and def. In my eyes, Assassin Crosses don't have the defensive abilities to survive cast times and skill delays at once.
Pressure: The SP steal is nasty, most people won't hotkey SP healing items. Good skill against high-def players, and horribly fun to play around with.
Double Strafe: Considering most servers let you spam this skill like there's no tomorrow, yes, it is really good. Stupid Hunters. ._.
And yeah, I am biased to EDP-SB builds, because that's what I play. But even if I wasn't, I'm sure I would believe EDP-SB builds are superior to Soul Destroyer ones.
That's all, thanks for an interesting discussion. :>
Quote from: ClothoX on Mar 26, 2007, 09:59 PM
Sonic Blow + EDP is a cheap trick in my opinion. This build is only good for woe and pvp, not for lvling/hunting at all.
Holy crap >_> i did't knew you lacked of ways to lvling as a sin x..Not to flame you but Sonic blow skill build is kinda..way better to lvl with if you want to spend time hunting karvos, ( Just go to removers, 1 % drop wtf on 1/1/1 server, and good exp also) Myself im Soloing Bio 3 on a pretty new server, it's been up for hm 2-3 months? something like that, And well it's damn good exp. Soul breaker can't compair to that i guess. And not to mention Juperos, Wtf Nice nice nice exp, Same with Ra_sanct if got the place alone, really nice exp.
Ima share my build ~ flame it if you like to, but it's hard to kill and got really good damage.
http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenparadisero450be0.jpg
( The evil ears is just for decaration -.-, Use Masqurade instead for pvp/woe/lvling)
And can have nice dmg , change accesory to get 130 str also)
My top dmg ( without Gospel and my linker was indeed naked)
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenparadisero2532ao4.jpg
To compair that with Soul destroyer is just lack of exprince and knowledge of playing Low rate, SB > SD. End of story ^_^
The point of this topic was to make a discussion, not one sided attacks.
We all know EDP SB is STRONGER.
It IS slower to level withthen other builds(ie. grimtooth)
It DOES get tedius to hunt for.
Soloing in bio3 is -neer- impossible, and a waste of time with the -new- mobs. Perhaps your server has the old mobs, and/or bio3 dungoen warp. Juperos is better suited for Grimtooth, and -some/most- people don't get grimtooth in thier final build, so if you don't have a resetter.. tough luck.
@Slaw
I mean't that SBk isn't 'blockable' by anything.
SBk can 1 hit wizards too in regards to soul syphon.
@ the sp remarks, items are spammable.. it really doesn't take that long to restore.
After the status card nerf, people have been reverting back.. -most- decent people would have one anyways.
I hotkey everything yay for battle mode.
Can we keep this a discussion, instead of one way argument. It -used- to be a very helpfull topic that explained the ups and downs of both skills, but it's turned into a my skill 'pwns' your skill thread. If it continues I'm just gonna lock it. That goes for me as well(though I'm only being one sided to defend it, I admit I'd use EDP SB too for the damage.. I usually make one of each[when I play sin, wich was rare])
Sidenote@Smarty: Why are you wearing morpheus and frigg's circlet >.>
i used it for the extra sp,need alot sp at bio 3 -.-, And lvl at bio dun 3? impossible? :S, let me fraps it once..if i figur how to do it XD
Even without Grimtooth lvling is Fast, Only couse ur a SB build doest mean you can be hybrid also, get like 67 agi.
Or lvl with MA at Bio 2. Easy stuff
and i just told ya what i think =p
even as a sin i lvlup with SB build at odin 2shoting frus and those other demons
Quote from: Glenn on Jul 13, 2007, 07:51 AM
Most servers don't allow dual-clienting. Ingrediants get tedius to hunt on low rates and alot of people are lazy anyways.
And most server's don't allow botting but guess what :)
Quote from: Riotblade on Jul 18, 2007, 10:53 PM
Quote from: Glenn on Jul 13, 2007, 07:51 AM
Most servers don't allow dual-clienting. Ingrediants get tedius to hunt on low rates and alot of people are lazy anyways.
And most server's don't allow botting but guess what :)
Guess What :P 15% of the bot people get caught, or a GM just ignor it couse its he's friend/ok
Posted on: July 18, 2007, 06:18:03 PM
Quote from: Smarty on Jul 19, 2007, 02:18 AM
Quote from: Riotblade on Jul 18, 2007, 10:53 PM
Quote from: Glenn on Jul 13, 2007, 07:51 AM
Most servers don't allow dual-clienting. Ingrediants get tedius to hunt on low rates and alot of people are lazy anyways.
And most server's don't allow botting but guess what :)
Guess What :P 15% of the bot people get caught, and banned. or a GM just ignor it couse its he's friend/ok
I said -neer- impossible with tthe NEW mobs. They all see/hit through cloak D:. @your equips didn't mean to critisize was just curious. :P
Do you have a warp to bio? I never found it worth the time to walk down there, usually ended up dieing after walking in the door anyways and lose 1%, found juperos the fastest followed by odin. I've heard of people grimtoothing, but that's ludicris if they can see through cloaking.
Quote from: Glenn on Jul 19, 2007, 08:26 AM
I said -neer- impossible with tthe NEW mobs. They all see/hit through cloak D:. @your equips didn't mean to critisize was just curious. :P
Do you have a warp to bio? I never found it worth the time to walk down there, usually ended up dieing after walking in the door anyways and lose 1%, found juperos the fastest followed by odin. I've heard of people grimtoothing, but that's ludicris if they can see through cloaking.
Well, I don't find it worthy cloaking around at bio 3. There is plenty of ways to do bio 3.
First of all you can clean a spawn, Like the stairs, Good HW Spawn. Other way is to Save at lhz, Bring 60 blue pots, 100 whites, 150 fly wings 20 edps and 20 cursed water. And Use Your Baby skill, -No exp lost-
And tel around at lhz, this way i can kill up to 18 Bio monster per edp ( 18 is my record so far -.-) i useally kill 5-10 ea edp thought.
It's really easy if you get controll of it.
So let's say you make upp a "Leech Service", I did this on my server. They need to bring Karvo, Sp pots and cursed water, And i leech them for the karvo's i get. You Gain exp also and get's all itemz. Good business.
Your just EDP SBing? Are you tanking or fleeing? Do you kill them all, or go after specific ones? The sniper/wizard(jupiter thunder level 28/ interuptible spell cast D:)would always kill me before getting close enough to them. Harword and Seyren would kill me within a few hits and the sinx would just keep grimtoothing me. Magaletta was the only feasible one to kill. Havent been able to solo well, since the old mobs(besides with champ/creator). I'm quite interested.
Well the Good thing is, There arent so many Monster that se Cloak, You tel untill you see HP/HW And then cloak to them, SB and F wing right after, If you know a good frap's program i could record to show how i do it.
Here's a Movie for SD sin x to Do bio 3 with a HP, It's good exp and good spawn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvWZfqgNjWs
Since the mob update, they ALL saw through cloak, or at least the did on the server I played. Seems the people in the video have GTB Card. Also when I played there was dynamic spawns D:. No camping stairs.
And witch server would that be? , Since the server i play on, i think we got the latest uppdate, And Only Demon Se throw Cloak/hide,
Demi human don't , So the only one that will se you is Mini mvp/mvps/Demon monsters.
It's dead now, so it doesn't matter. I know only Demon/insect see through cloak and hide, but so -did(on that server)- Bio3 mobs, not demi humans, Orcs and such didnt see through it. Maybe it was just a DB error or something. They added dynamic spawns themselves though.
I believe Bio3 mobs are hide detectors, yes. However, a pet smokie will take care of that issue on most eAthena based servers.
Offtopic but, is smokie only for hide.. or does it work with cloak. Never got into the whole cute pet crap.
From what I've seen/done, you normally cloak to the mob, then hide, and grimtooth. Works like a charm. :>
guudluck with that, spec with lk's and Sin x's Is demon and se throw Hide. Awsome! GOGO =D