Problem about Assassin Cross (i suck at) sonic blow

[newblood]

Okay first off, heres the data, its 300x/300x/100x

Assassin Cross - Sonic Blow build and nothing else- 99/70
STR 90 + 30
AGI  61 + 29
VIT  1+ 2
INT  29 + 11
DEX 81 + 19
LUK  1 + 8


Equip
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Upper - Insomiac Alice Doll (+10%vs demi humans, Inflict low% sleep on self + nightmare card = immune sleep)

Mid - Angel of Ghost

Lower - Gentleman's Pie (-2% from demihumans)

Body - 4 alternatives  ALL +7 Chainmails with either these properties, Evil druid(undead), Swordfish(water), Pasana(fire), Agriope (poison)
(I experimented with these, reason? read on)

Weapon - +4Bloody Infiltrator (okay yeah I suck, its just too difficult finding infiltrators, and slotting them is a b-tch, how much more refining them. I am hunting a Bloody roar now though, still a b-tch to find)

[[[[[[[[I am also saving my cash points for Proxy Skin fragment =    A coat crafted from the skin dropped by the monster Nidhoggur.
It seems unexpectedly powerful.
Add a 7% resistance to all Elements.
Increases SP by Level/3 + (Refine Rate * 10).
When dealing physical damage there's a 1% chance that you'll recover 1% of your damage as SP.
MDEF + 3]]]]]]

Garment - +5 immune wool
Boots - +4 Green Tidals

Acc - 2xMantis ring (I also suck defeating a vesper so..)

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Okay so now you wanna know my problems?
Here:

1) I ALWAYS get killed by this freaking stalker, he can detect me, he can reveal me to others, I cant 1hit-sonicblow him, not even 2, or 3, he also hides, and most of all, his CRIMSON FIRE BLOSSOM pwns me every single time. Thats why I placed water and fire cards on my armour, thinking I could counter it, but no... When I used my waterproperty armor, his crimson fire blossom killed me in not less than 2 seconds. and I though water beats fire!? So then, I heard about "fight fire with fire" and checked here that when a fire attribute attacks a fire property, the damage, instead, heals the player. but again, NOOOO! I still got killed instantly. I am really ticked off by this, and really fed up to the point of quitting the game. I cant even use hp pots, or hide, or backslide, my sinx just receives the damage till he dies.

Okay I dont even know why I said those grueling experience above, but I just want to ask, can a sinx really kill that kind of stalker(can 1hitkill me, can detect me, and I cant even do proper damage to him, and he also cloaks)? yes or no.


2) A LK's Bowling Bash can kill me in 3 hits. Though when hes attacking another player, and Im right behind his back with edp ready to SB, I can somehow manage to kill him. (only did this twice, hes got sight/sunlight, and magnum break)

3) I thought sinx can 1hit-kill almost every char with SB + edp ofcourse, but it turns out that I can only kill merchants/creators, champions (assuming his jlvl is 0 BECAUSE HE HAS A FREAKING RUWARCH, and I cant catch him) or snipers (assuming he is also blind, literally/ without sight/detect)

4) How do people make it to +10 items? Like Ive tried it, even with a level 2 armor (chainmail) and it costed me about 30million to  make a 1slot +7 chainmail. I think Ive broken more than 60 chainmails to give them slots, and 20 (out of 25) to make it to +7. and hey... its a freaking lvl 2 armor and im lucky coz it can be bought through npcs. How much more infiltrators, which can only be dropped by nightmares, and I only succesfully slotted 1 out of 20. (it took me almost a day)




Basically thats it. I know theres alot more goin on than just these problems, Ive only played for 2 weeks, I think. And always gets pwned ever since.

I need your advice. Badly.
Please, please help me.

[Leamee]

TBH I can 2 shot some Sin Xes with spiral pierce. I think your gear isn't overupped enough. Get +7 tidal and +7 wool at the very least, and 2 rosaries with alligator or something decent. Get rid of the alice doll and use Feather Beret instead if you have issues tanking but YOU SHOULDN'T BE TANKING. You should hide and SB then pray. Of course any decent player will kill you if you're not hidden and if you don't even have Feather Beret on. As for the armors, I don't see why water prop and fire prop are needed, if you put fire prop you'll a) get frozen and it will hurt BADLY b) pretty much eat lots of damage whenever someone attacks because you don't have marc or ED.
EDP SB might not be enough for all classes and looks to me like you're not careful enough.

[Gene]

3) I thought sinx can 1hit-kill almost every char with SB + edp ofcourse, but it turns out that I can only kill merchants/creators, champions (assuming his jlvl is 0 BECAUSE HE HAS A FREAKING RUWARCH, and I cant catch him) or snipers (assuming he is also blind, literally/ without sight/detect)

EDP+SB can only kill people with suckish gears. You need link to be able to kill geared people if you really wanted to 1 hit(Read my last sentence too), note that you may be using the wrong weapon element too. Converters are important as people use raydrics or Valkyrie Shields. Using Poison and Neutral as your main elements is a bad idea since they can be countered easily.

You probably can't kill that stalker since 50% demi human resist looks possible there even higher if CK+BG equips are available, he might also have a chunk of defense.

Might wanna change your bloody infil to boned infil.

[newblood]

TBH I can 2 shot some Sin Xes with spiral pierce. I think your gear isn't overupped enough. Get +7 tidal and +7 wool at the very least, and 2 rosaries with alligator or something decent. Get rid of the alice doll and use Feather Beret instead if you have issues tanking but YOU SHOULDN'T BE TANKING. You should hide and SB then pray. Of course any decent player will kill you if you're not hidden and if you don't even have Feather Beret on. As for the armors, I don't see why water prop and fire prop are needed, if you put fire prop you'll a) get frozen and it will hurt BADLY b) pretty much eat lots of damage whenever someone attacks because you don't have marc or ED.
EDP SB might not be enough for all classes and looks to me like you're not careful enough.

Wow thanks for the quick response, i never expected that. Well the guy isnt using spiral pierce, I mean the LK, nor is the stalker copying spiral pierce, so I think Im safe with that. I know, but the items are really hard to find, plus I always fail, either slotting them or upgrading them.
Anyway, no I have no plans on tanking, I have 1 vit, mid hp (9k) (might get hit by acid demonstrators) but I ALWAYS get detected. almost everyone of my opponents has sight / sunlight. So I think I will stick to alice doll, coz its either kill or be killed out there. If the enemies attack me first, im sure dead. Ive tried vit type, but still no difference, just made me harder to kill by an additional 4 seconds, I still cant move. I thought I might need those properties coz I badly want to counter crimson fire blossom.
Im kinda new in RO, 2 weeks.. whats ED or marc? - edit: [removed edit again, im stupid, I thought undead property makes me immune to freezing]

EDP+SB can only kill people with suckish gears. You need link to be able to kill geared people if you really wanted to 1 hit(Read my last sentence too), note that you may be using the wrong weapon element too. Converters are important as people use raydrics or Valkyrie Shields. Using Poison and Neutral as your main elements is a bad idea since they can be countered easily.

You probably can't kill that stalker since 50% demi human resist looks possible there, he might also have a chunk of defense.

Might wanna change your bloody infil to boned infil.

well yes, thats what Ive observed. I already told my race and my guild to make a freaking soul linker, but none of them did. (selfish bastards) though I could dual client now that youve mentioned it. still the soul linker stays in town after buffing me. we have no priests no anything. only pvp type characters. alot of sinx, creators, snipers..almost no supporting chars, and only 1 paladin. The other race got 1 paladin, 2 lord knights. How do I know what property the enemy is when I cant view his equipments? I can buy converters, but If I use one, will the poison effect on my edp be replaced?
yeah I think hes got more than 50% resistance on demihumans, he is wealth, and experienced.

on your last 2 sentences,
1) is there a great difference from bloody and boned? I mean after that change, could I kill the stalker or the LKs?
2) how bout Bloody Roar? theyve got many tankers with heavy defense, maybe the stalker has high defense too, since I can hit him (no flee) but my damage is low, either edp or neutral.

[Gene]

1)Not much difference but the small difference might help
2)I rarely use Bloody Roar, I think using Bloody Roar will only be useful if the enemy has 40 def more or less

[newblood]

Okay I seriously just saw this signature somewhere here in RMS forums:

Rules of Nerfing BALANCING Ragnarok Online

   1. Classes must be nerfed if they can hit an Assassin.
   2. Classes must be nerfed if they survive Sonic Blow.
   3. Anyone that can kill an Assassin Cross in War of Emperium must be a hacker.
   4. Status effects should be banned/nerfed cause Assassin Cross doesn't have enough vitality to avoid them.
   5. Orc Lord card should be banned because Assassin Crosses can take damage from it.

First of all, is this was true, then I am SURELY missing out something here.. big time.
Posted on: Apr 22, 2011, 04:58 am

Everything you need to konw has been already written here around a hundred times. Do some searching and you'll find what you need if you got at least a piece of brain.

Okay no need to be rude, I actually spent more time here in the forums looking for answers, in google, and everywhere else, than playing. MY POST HERE IS SPECIFIC. IM NOT ASKING FOR A FREAKING "HEY WHATS A GOOD BUILD FOR AN ASSASSIN CROSS? WHAT EQUIPMENT SHOULD I USE...CRAP. I ONLY STATED MY DATA, POSTED MY PROBLEM, ASKED FOR SOLUTIONS AND THEN HERE COMES WHEN I ASKED AN ADVICE. THERES ALREADY A SITUATION, AND IM DEMANDING FOR A SOLUTION."

Jeez, talk about brains... get one yourself.

[Relics]

The 'rules of nerfing balancing ragnarok online' thing is sarcasm, it was meant to be funny.. because gravity seemed to like SinX'es alot..

as for you dying quickly, it's because your VIT is 1.

You don't need AGI on an SB sinx, nor do you need INT.

A common build layout for SB SinX is
High STR
High-mid VIT
Rest in DEX

Thing about dex, you can always tag to a khatar with ie; mummy or other +hit increasing cards if you have trouble hitting something with flee.
INT, you shouldn't be having SP problems.. and AGI doesn't work for SB, unless you're running a sprite-edited, cool down reducted SinX or something.

Cranswitch.. and tag headgear..


ps Boned infil > Bloody infil
1.15*1.5 > 0.2+1.5

[Leamee]

Okay, back to the topic. We've said what you need to know, and 40 hard def = LK, HP, Paladin mainly, possibly champion, so basically not people you want to target anyway = bloody roar will be useless. You won't see that kind of def on a Sniper or Wizard.
So don't get a bloody roar. It's like if I brought my Ice Pick to BG with my WS and tried to Cart Termo wizards. Like, just don't do that. Moreover, if you have BG, the def of most items is 0 which means that you'll get owned since everybody's squishy anyway (but the reduc makes up for it).

[newblood]

The 'rules of nerfing balancing ragnarok online' thing is sarcasm, it was meant to be funny.. because gravity seemed to like SinX'es alot..

as for you dying quickly, it's because your VIT is 1.

You don't need AGI on an SB sinx, nor do you need INT.

A common build layout for SB SinX is
High STR
High-mid VIT
Rest in DEX

Thing about dex, you can always tag to a khatar with ie; mummy or other +hit increasing cards if you have trouble hitting something with flee.
INT, you shouldn't be having SP problems.. and AGI doesn't work for SB, unless you're running a sprite-edited, cool down reducted SinX or something.

Cranswitch.. and tag headgear..


ps Boned infil > Bloody infil
1.15*1.5 > 0.2+1.5

Yeah I think I already knew it was sarcasm, lol, but they wouldnt make it a joke if it isnt far from reality isnt it? They always say SinX are overpowered, but its the exact opposite if Im the user. Poor. : (
made my vit 1 because in our server, everyone has got creator as their main character or 2nd characters. Making my vit over 40 will render me dead with their acid demonstrations.
Although I didnt realize it til now, but I can actually hide from them, unless theyve got sunlight box or anything, but as for the skills, they dont have any Area attack skill that can hit me while im hidden, nor do they have sight skills. thanks. anyway thanks for placing the detailed comparison between boned and bloody... yeah somehow, a few extra attack points could matter.

Okay, back to the topic. We've said what you need to know, and 40 hard def = LK, HP, Paladin mainly, possibly champion, so basically not people you want to target anyway = bloody roar will be useless. You won't see that kind of def on a Sniper or Wizard.
So don't get a bloody roar. It's like if I brought my Ice Pick to BG with my WS and tried to Cart Termo wizards. Like, just don't do that. Moreover, if you have BG, the def of most items is 0 which means that you'll get owned since everybody's squishy anyway (but the reduc makes up for it).

Well, could it be possible too that I bring along a bloody roar, like how I shift from my 4 armors? Theyve got alot of high defense characters on the other race, while in ours, like said, killer-type characters.

Posted on: Apr 22, 2011, 05:21 amOkay wait, I forgot, the most important thing of all


if you guys are giving me hopes that sinx would be great, then

HOW DO I COUNTER (or atleast survive) a stalker?

[Sarin]

Okay no need to be rude, I actually spent more time here in the forums looking for answers, in google, and everywhere else, than playing. MY POST HERE IS SPECIFIC. IM NOT ASKING FOR A FREAKING "HEY WHATS A GOOD BUILD FOR AN ASSASSIN CROSS? WHAT EQUIPMENT SHOULD I USE...CRAP. I ONLY STATED MY DATA, POSTED MY PROBLEM, ASKED FOR SOLUTIONS AND THEN HERE COMES WHEN I ASKED AN ADVICE. THERES ALREADY A SITUATION, AND IM DEMANDING FOR A SOLUTION."

Jeez, talk about brains... get one yourself.

Talk about fail. You can find answers to half of your questions in a single guide, and rest of it is around these forums. I know it, cause I've written that guide myself.

[newblood]

I dont believe anyone ever mentioned/made a sinx vs stalker guide or strategy.

[Sarin]

Essentially, you try same tactics as you would against the class that gave him his copied skill.

[wireless]

Casters usually have low vit so you could try stunning the stalker. Well he probably has gears against stun but it's worth a shot 

[fluidin]

sinx against stalker = speed pot running around MA-ing or MB-ing. preferably with a status weap; once unhid, sb. profit. if he tanks your linked edp sb twice, hes decently geared, either call for blackup or move on to another target. if ecer, continue harassing.

stalkers will not have low vit. there are 2 variants. one is highvit dex, thats the fsk/ec variant which will b stun immune. then theres the 1vit north wind dark bash set frontline dps variant. those are fckhard to kill. ppl like to devo them. dispel immunity and shiz. blahblah. unless u b talkin the scrub variant, then yeah u can try stunning them. i dun noe how u b dyin to stalks tho. gj

vit1 w/o stun immunity is rly bad. get dark bash set if u wanna go 1vit, or even OH glasses(which will be a waste on sinx). and er. if ure perma-stunned even a creo w/o poem will kill u. bad.

br is fine if u know what characters to use it against (im not talking classes, but using it against ppl u personally know go for high hard def), but if u got bg katar use that instead.

[Triper]

How the heck you die to AD if you pot ._. Aside one creator with bragi, You can tank AD by potting easy o.o  Horn+Nox+FB+Alligator x2 => ad is a joke.
Pots heal according VIT and your vit sucks so in the end your pots end like nothing[1/3 vs a 90 VIT SINX +/- using normal slims], specially if they're not from a ranked creator...

Now, about your sinx fails, you kinda fail A LOT because you're bad, you scream at people that are giving you good advices like telling you to learn how to swap stuff with hotkeys according dmg, get a STR/VIT/DEX build or an hybrid one[still STR/VIT/DEX but gets some agi in the middle for more fast grim and some other agi dependent skills spam] and not something stupid like AGI/INT because sp of sinx isn't that bad and you can get pots neither you must relly on agi if you can stun super easy making you good as a glass that breaks when touches the floor.

Learn to swap gears, learn to use converters, learn to grimtooth with stun/curse arrows, learn to use throw stone to stun squishy chars or just MA then. Just because you're a sinx that doesn't mean that you're a I KILL EVERYBODY FEAR ME RAWR RAWR RAWR *imagines a dragon spiting fire* without any skill[even if it's kinda true since a Wind Element slotted katar with the right cards and edp+link kinda kills a lot chaining 2 SB].

If you want me to criticize your gears build here is what I think:

Your build sucks because:
- Heck, why almost no VIT on a SB type? SB and dodge with backslide like a chicken? I imagine the AGI in here being for it lol Pro people know how to grim and cloak and to use grimtooth and MA and other s*** while evading dmg... Heck even if you've almost no VIT you don't even know s*** about it since you could run a 0 VIT build with this vs AD.
- You've INT. For SBK?? What ._.? SP? SP at a sinx isn't that bad... Pots help if needed.
- AGI? Not mega bad but... You don't have anti-stun and you're not a sniper with cloak means that you're useless once stunned.
- Why using Gentleman's Pie (-2% from demihumans)? I though you said you're full offensive!
- Your choice of armors are terribad, so many and still some useless... Keep the ED on the chainmail, get a different armor for the pasana or swordfish for faster swap, get a f*** dark frame or majoruros because f*** yes, people ignore a lot sometimes that this things are awesome when you know to use the garment to reduce dmg and stacking reduces like thara and fb. Argiope is stupid when you have the ED and you solo as it seems to me. Last advice is to get a DIMIK CARD on a +0 armor[go read at rms what it does and think, ok?] if you want to make use of this stupid build and an anti-stun set as told by people here
- Only Raydric? Wth, no jakk, marse, dustiness, hode, nox? Heck I even know someone that even has a Giant Whisper on a different garment to use for SB and then swap back to a NOX after a SB to run safely or to make sure the target dies in 1-2 SB chained!

And if you die always to that stupid fire spammer stalker then you must suck a lot ._. I know that this type of stalker kills fast since is just an abuse of non-delay skills of ninja with insta or near insta cast but is perfectly potable and tankable, jakk+pasana+full reduces try to throw dagger/stone and try to stun, give him more cast with a toothblade...[for example, there is a lot more stuff that you can do and even die some rounds to try to know +/- what he has and counter him like using a frus on a high refined crap using a decent STR/VIT/DEX build and try to use frus in a high refined crap armor and except that the dmg is reflect and enough dmg to nuke the stalker yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah] get close and sb ko with a earth or wind elemental carded katar.

Srs, 2 weeks and expect to be good is nothing, read and practice more

[Leamee]

How the heck you die to AD if you pot ._. Aside one creator with bragi, You can tank AD by potting easy o.o  Horn+Nox+FB+Alligator x2 => ad is a joke.

Yes seriously. I have 110 vit on my LK and I don't die to AD (and it hurts a HELL of a lot with 110 vit, try it).
I'm also a newbie Sin X but not a newbie player (kinda newbie at PvP though) and you won't learn everything in 2 weeks like he said. It took me a week to become a "decent" LK and get basic gears on a MR. You might want to read the topic I started. The gear I suggested is awesome for attacking only . BSB + MoH + LBH = Win if you want to OKHO someone. Giant Whisper is also a godsend. Seriously if you want to just mindlessly OHKO people then get the gear I talked about. I'm not saying you'll last long but you can have some fun and actually kill someone that way, but yeah use converters, or at least an elemental katar.
And please please please learn to use Battlemode.

PS: You might want to consider making the popular "hi I'm a noob champ I asura and ALT+F4 / yggberry/ hide". We have a whole noob champ guild on our serv that seems to have a lot of fun doing that. They wear quirky hats and only deal 19K per asura but that can still OHKO well... 75% of people sadly. I even considered joining that guild, just because (I have a 99 champ and I'm the noobiest champ you'll ever meet, ask Relics).

[Relics]

(I have a 99 champ and I'm the noobiest champ you'll ever meet, ask Relics).

yes

[Leamee]

  Thank you.
If I may, my WS is actually quite deadly in PVP. I'm not completely clueless, I'm just clueless about playing champ (which means that I'd fit perfectly into the hiii asu lol champ guild). Damn I need to join 

[CookieEater]

If you're getting killed with Crimson Fire Blossom, use a garment with a 30% Fire reduction card? Jakk, I think it was?

[Leamee]

Yes it's jakk. Leb olmai would also help against fire. So would draco card in a shield. That said I don't think you need to worry so much about defense if you say your SB suck. Frankly the way I see it, you should EDP, hide SB SB die, rinse and repeat, kind of like an asura champ. I might not be a good Sin X but I'm quite good at cloaking and creeping up on people. A piece of advice for the champ: either let them kill you if you're not EDP and they keep ruwaching you, or spam the cloack button. If you do, you may manage to a) hide asura b) piss off the champ who'll eventually give up on you if you do it fast enough. To be fair once you're not in cloak mode anymore you're dead, unless you managed to kill the champ first. And by the way, ninjas shouldn't be your main problem. I know they're a pain to kill but they don't hurt if you have 10k hp. Just pot - don't except to get an SB in if the guy's good though. I'd recommend SBing and cloaking away. FAST.

[Triper]

Unless is an insta asura from something 1 cell away from you, it's possible to evade it with hide, even with 149 DEX[with ruwach/sight on], just try to see when the asura starts and BAM - Hide Key pressed. Since they pretty much hits you at the sametime, if you pressed at the right moment and with the small delay there is between the reveal and the press key, you can evade it.
I remember that pressing the cloak key made me get asuras lots of times even after they started to being cast but not with hide =p
And yes Sight because Sight > Ruwach since doesn't kill lex aeterna because doesn't give dmg on reveal, don't bug position you on reveal and has higher reveal range if i'm not wrong.

[Leamee]

Ok thanks so I should hide, not cloak. Oh and with food it seems like every champ is no cast (and you can't hide a no cast asura...) so it's really a matter of finding a sucky champ. And Gene said that you can't OS with EDP which is true most of the time since against someone with 12k hp or a lot of resist you won't do much damage, 40 resist DH is enough to tank EDP if I'm not mistaken (that's thara+beret so yeah... Forget about it). Oh and getting more than 56 DH resist is technically impossible even with CK. However with proxy you get 7 every element so it is possible to go up to 60 (not 63 as the extra DH resist comes from BG gear and when you take off the set you lose most of that). FYI: EDP SB with really good gear does about 6k on someone with 50+ resist. I'd say if you lend 2 you might kill HWs snips ninjas other Sin Xes but not all champs (if they have variant). I'm new to EDP myself I just used the pvp calc a lot. What you can also do (and I'll do that) is DA RMS test serv and give yourself crazy eqs (LBH hockey mask porcellio GW BSB MoH is I believe the best possible attack gear) and see how much you deal against someone who's fully geared.

[newblood]

Thanks for the replies guys... you know what actually? I bought a

+4Proxy skin fragment (7% resist to ALL properties, + raydric card)  haha

+7chainmail(unfrozen) - to counter the stormgust spam stalker (which was once a fire blossom spammer, and NOW a jupitel thunder spammer)

1 vesper core02 and

+10double boned bloody jur (better than my +4boned infil, i couldnt dare to make it +5 higher)



[the stalker somehow knew that I had fire armor, thats why he changed to storm gust spam... and then I have marc armor, he also changed to Jupitel thunder. I HIGHLY suspect theres a rat in our guild/race]
and  I am actually owning almost everyone EVERYWHERE! thanks for your suggestions..

though im still dead when that freaking stalker uses sight on me, but an improvement is: when hes not aware, killing him is as easy as HIV. I can even kill pallys and lks now.. everyone.



And I actually changed to vit type. I just realized that Acid Demonstrator guys dont have sight, and I cant be killed if they cant see me. Out of 30 fights with a Creator, I was only killed once. when I ran out of SP and HP, and their pots, and I cant cloak.


my top priority right now is "How to counter sight/detect/reveal..etc" any ideas?
-if you have a solution for that above, I would be an assassin demi-god now.

[Leamee]

... With an ego to boot. Dude you've been playing for 2 weeks, chill out. And BTW, chain mail sucks. Bone plate/ Valk Armor/ Darmor in that order.

[newblood]

okay its my 3rd week now so theres no excuse to be a noob anymore.
the people on the other race/guild are pissing me off.
all these trash talk and everytime they kill me they all act like

HAHAHAHA noob. But when they are dead, they immediately respawn back to their headquarters so they can read what Im about to say to them.

okay Im planning on changing my armor after I get Variant Boots, plus, if I change to those high class armors, id be getting only to +4 I really cant risk destroying it.

[wireless]

okay its my 3rd week now so theres no excuse to be a noob anymore.

There's a LOT of people who are still being noobs even after years of playing so I think that excuse will work for a while longer