Is this the best possible attack build there is for a Sin X?+ question grimtooth

Started by Leamee, May 01, 2011, 04:17 PM

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Leamee

Hey guys,

Okay, so I had a chat with a new friend after getting into the top 20 PVP players of my server (my ratio is a bit higher than 1 so it's miles better than my previous ratio before the reset).
Some people actually told me that I played better than some Sin Xes that have been playing that class for ages because these people die more than they kill which is very bad in a BG.  :)
I also learned to grimtooth on LP/ without LP after one of the people in our BG literally yelled at us (we were 3 Sin Xes out of maybe 7 people) because all we ever did was SB. Turns out that I kill more people when I SB and sometimes die less but hey, I did what the group wanted me to do so at least I showed some team spirit. The other Sin Xes didn't and I was quite disappointed. Okay the guy yelled at us but sometimes angry people still make some sense so before blowing him off I decided to give it a try.

So basically no one switches on our serv, it's official. All they want to have is THE best possible attack gear to OS everyone lololol.
I love that way of thinking  :P
Anyway, now that most of my teammates respect me more and actually buff me and have my back sometimes, and since the only people that kill me are still pissed off champs/ Sin Xes/ Creators (but mainly champs and one in particular) I guess that being able to OS that guy would make a big difference.

Like at least we'd die together which would mean that I'd lose a point and win one so it'd balance the whole thing out.
I don't know why I can't OS him with a converter and EDP - I mean I can OS paladins and lots of other people if they aren't super-geared.
I don't know how losing ED would affect me. I think SG gets me out of hide for some reason, and basically if I'm grimtoothing I'm usually committing suicide because there's only so many people you can tick off before someone ruwaches you and bahm.
That said I'm being more and more careful so I guess ED might not be necessary.

Here's the build I suggest (taken from a friend who doesn't switch and well doesn't do anything in particular, she just SBs and maybe grims a little?)
Also, which arrow would be the best for grimtooth? Someone said curse as if you accidentally grim twice you might get someone out of the sleep status but I don't know.

525+25    attack without blessing.

1. Put Jaguar hat on, do crazy uproar (4 STR)
2. STR food
3. EDP and converter

now for the build:
Headgear Alice Doll w/ vanberk
sunnies Alice doll w/ vanberk
lower headgear  P.dagger

Armor B Plate porcellio
Wool scarf Giant Whisper or is Aliot better?
Bradium Ring w/ mantis
Shackles
BSB
then you have the bravery carnage katar

That's it.
I also dropped aliot by the way so I could use that, apparently it does slightly more damage than Giant Whisper for some reason.
The great part is that I have all that stuff. And I mean everything  :)
If I'm going full attack (if you don't you're a sin x naab here so yeah) would that be the best option?
Aliot or GW?

Please give me your opinion thanks!





Usagimimi

Pretty sure Bradium Ring is bugged on Aetha :S doesn't give the right bonuses, like the +x%ATK.

And GW or Aliot, depends on your build. Tank more, or Flee more. I like both of them and find that their usage is conditional.

Leamee

Thanks for the advice. Yeah B.Ring is bugged, I should replace the B.Ring with a Ring and see if it's still worth wearing one.
I don't mind keeping my current equipment but I think that I need to at least use porcellio some of the time, because it'd really boost my damage.
From what I've noticed, the list of skills that can unhide some is quite long and my chances of survival once I'm not hidden are very slim, no matter what I do (no WOE reduc means getting OSed by all the champs for starters):
Attention concentrate
Ruwach
Sight
Heaven's Drive
Storm Gust?
Detecting
(BoS)
(MP)
The loud exclamation trick that someone taught me is awesome but I'd need to make the jaguar hat. Not a problem once I stop goofing around with some friends IG.

fluidin

use an MoH instead if u rly need the str use dring.

wait i find sinx switching vids for u
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkkm86xcaDI&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/user/fanatical256#p/u/14/AksPU0QwYG8

if u b wondering why they wipe so fast on the latter vid, the black emblem guild has a 130int poemed mindbroken 150int fbh sala hwiz or sth
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

Triper

Quote from: Leamee on May 01, 2011, 08:08 PM
From what I've noticed, the list of skills that can unhide some is quite long and my chances of survival once I'm not hidden are very slim, no matter what I do (no WOE reduc means getting OSed by all the champs for starters):
Attention concentrate
Ruwach
Sight
Heaven's Drive
Storm Gust?
Detecting
(BoS)
(MP)
You forgot splash damage.
Basically, any splash damage that is done to a player near you will reveal you if you're in the range of it.

Storm Gust reveals cloak, not hide but it can, maybe, cancel the hide "cast" since if you try to hide from a 190 aspd you won't be able since every time you try puff the aspd lock won't let you to.

Mushu

I'm gonna facepalm over this whole robo eyes/bradium ring doesn't give you atk. Medal of H use the SAME script as them but at a diff %. I just tested on RMS Test, with 28000 dex for lowest damage variance possible, I did ~5440 with medal off, ~5700 with it on. I don't think it's bugged, just because it doesn't show the % atk increase doesn't mean jack. Use a test server before calling something bugged please.

Leamee

Quoteuse an MoH instead if u rly need the str use dring.

wait i find sinx switching vids for u
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkkm86xcaDI&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/user/fanatical256#p/u/14/AksPU0QwYG8
The first vid is HILARIOUS. Thanks a lot  :) I'll watch it a few times to get the gist of it, I'm also working on my grimtooth. Would curse arrow be the best option?
Oh and about aliot and GW: which one do you think is the best? Seems like aliot does more damage depending on the build.
In any case Alice doll > LBH almost all the time, I guess it's because it works with percentage instead of +attack.

Quote)
You forgot splash damage.
Basically, any splash damage that is done to a player near you will reveal you if you're in the range of it.
Yep forgot magnum break too, but it's amazing how much you learn just by playing. If you only rely on RMS skill descriptions then you're doomed because it doesn't say that all those skill can unhide or uncloak someone.


QuoteI did ~5440 with medal off, ~5700 with it on
I should activate dmg display and SB my LK (she won't get OSed so I'll SL and possibly EDP and give it a try).

fluidin

ya juz use curse arrows altho u shld also keep silence, sleep, stun, w/e arrows in ur inventory too in case theres ever a need

abt aliot and gw just use whatever works for ur build

same with lbh, altho i dont see lbh ever being less damaging than alice doll unless ur server modified it. 10% and a slot vs 12% +20 atk
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PM
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

Leamee

Okay well I don't know it might be a modification or whatever but on the pvp calc I can get more with alice doll if I use vanberk and STR food than I can with LBH. Dunno why.
Anyway I guess it depends on your build (again) and the difference isn't big anyway. I guess I'd need a guild to get stuff like LBH.

Gene

Btw, you could get your own LBH using multi clients if you're used to it. Otherwise 3 people are enough. 2 if you guys could open more clients. Getting it with a guild will be a problem to share.

Leamee

Could you explain to me how to kill great demon baphomet? I've never even killed baphomet before. Could you give me some advice please? And if I were to bring a friend along, which class should he play? Basically I'm not familiar with most MVPs.

Mushu

You can 4 man great demon baphomet pretty easily with a high priest, prof, paladin (all reflect gear and BG set), soul linker to buff Great Demon. Use this method:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2azRoNCnUrc

They used multiple pallies but based on the time it took them I don't think they were properly geared for this. Bringing a prof helps too in case he gets rude attacked and starts doing uninterruptible healing

Usagimimi

@Mushu

It's bugged on this particular server, as the script isn't right. SVN isn't up-to-date either.

Gene

What Mushu said.

RO is just dumb allowing Eske work on bosses. They forgot about reflect. All you have to do is gear up a pally with full damage receivers set. (Bone helm, etc etc). Have 2 priests at back, 1 for redemptio and one for resurrecting the HP casting redemp. The one resurrecting should be out of GDB's sight. Soul Linker just needs to keep spamming Eske on GDB while the pally spams reflect. A pre-cast Magnus HP might be also needed for killing apostles at lvl 1 and for killing side Mobs at Boss Room. (Pre cast before stepping on the floor that has an entrance.)

Triper

Some servers are even more stupid with @duel since you can pretty much lex aeterna yourself, @leave and pray that the first hit is the thing you want to then bam, easy 2x more dmg reflected :)

@Yusifer: That's tRO or something like that, an official server.