Assassin skills to carry over onto Dual Dagger Assassin Cross?

[Mirae]

Hello everyone. I am new to the game, so I apologize in advance if any questions asked are noobish.
I am an Assassin on the Diana server, but I am building towards a Dual Dagger Assassin Cross using this guide:
http://write.ratemyserver.net/ragnoark-online-character-guides/assassin-cross-guide/

However there is one piece of information that I am missing from this guide, and since I am new my hand needs to be held a little bit. 
What are the skills I need to learn to carry over from Assassin onto Assassin Cross?  And what are the suggestions with regard to what skills to max?

1) Job Class: Assassin, wanting to be an Assassin Cross
2) Build: None at the moment, just building my stats towards a Dual Dagger A/C.
3) Item Rate: I think 100x?
4) For What: Just general casual play for now
5) Against What: 
6) Custom Items: Nothing important to note, I think
7) Other Customizations: As above
Max Level,Stats and rates: The max level is 99/70 for trans. Non-trans is 99/50.

Thanks very much in advance for anyone that can help this n00blet. 

[DarkDevine]

After rebirth you get a full reset to a 1/1 novice, then you become high thief and then you become assassin cross, you will re-skill all skills anyways, you won't keep any skills except quest-skills.

As an assassin cross you can skill all skills that you could've skilled as an assassin plus new rebirth skills.

The most important skills for you are probably the passive skills, Left Hand Mastery, Right Hand Mastery, Improve Dodge, Double Attack, max those.
Don't skill the Sonic Blow/Grimtooth/Katar Mastery trees, as these only work with using Katars.
Poison React is a good skill to get as well as Enchant Poison.
As an assassin cross you should then get Meteor Assault and Soul Breaker as well, though you need to put some skillpoints in the Katar trees for that afaik.

[Icaruz]

really right and left hand mastery, cz that affects your damage
enchant deadly poison would give u decent damages with dual daggers
soul breaker and meteor assult would be decent

with thiefs i usually max out their skills, leaving a lvl 8 steal while maxing everything else

really avoid katar-related skills like grimtooth or sonic blow UNLESS they are prerequisites for other skills (which im pretty sure they are)
poison react is a decent tactical skill

uhhhh, i'll proly leave u at that, and good on ya for trying sumthin different
alot of ppl stick t the stereotype katar sinX builds (which mind u is pretty decent, but generic really)

[DarkDevine]

with thiefs i usually max out their skills, leaving a lvl 8 steal while maxing everything else

Actually level 10 Steal can be much more useful, funny and profitable than e.g. level 10 Hiding or level 10 Envenom

[Mirae]

Thanks so much for both of your responses!   They were very helpful!
I didn't even know your stats would get reset and you had to start over as a novice.
Past that stage now, and I got Assassin Cross  

Thanks for the skill recommendations, here is what I did so far:
Maxed:
-Right handed mastery
-Left handed mastery

Others:
-5 Points into Katar Mastery, as that's a prerequisite for Meteor Assault.
-3 points into Cloaking, prerequisite for Soul Breaker
-6 points into Enchant Poison, again 6 because of Soul Breaker prereq
-5 points into Sonic Blow, due to prereq Meteor Assault
-1 point into Poison React
-1 point into Create Deadly Poison, due to prereq Enchant Deadly Poison
-1 point into Soul Breaker
-1 point into Enchant Deadly Poison
-1 point into Meteor Assault

I have 35 skill points to use at the moment, wondering which I should max?  Thinking Meteor Assault and Soul Breaker anyway, but what about after that?  I can learn new skills but not sure if that's a good idea (maybe Grimtooth?).
I'll provide a screenshot of my skill tree to make it easier for you guys =)

Screenshot:
http://i49.tinypic.com/2h7ihvm.jpg


Also another question, I've reached level 70 now and followed the guide I mentioned in the original post, but something weird is going on...
Even though I am at the max level, 70, I can't reach the minimum recommended stats they state.
What they recommend:
   * STR: 100 or 110 or 120
   * AGI: 90~120
   * VIT: 25~60
   * INT: 1 or 6 or 12
   * DEX: 40~70
   * LUK: 1

What I have at 99/70:

   * STR: 99
   * AGI: 86
   * VIT: 25
   * INT: 1
   * DEX: 40
   * LUK: 1

6 status points leftover (can only put up VIT once more, or DEX once, for INT & LUCK it's 2 per upgrade).

What am I doing wrong to not be able to reach the minimum required for STR and AGI?

Again thanks so much for the help.  

[Tom~]

Hello!
Well, that's because you cannot add more points to your stats after 99. You can reach 110~120 with bonuses given by equips, cards, and consumable items. Same with Agi. It is recommended that the final result is a multiple of 10.

Do not add skill points to grimtooth, because you can only use it with a katar! Skills from the venom-tree would be good. You should max EDP, Soul Breaker and Meteor Assault.

I guess that's it... but I think you should wait for someone else to post too, since I haven't played a sinX in like... forever.

[fluidin]

...

What is a DD sinx anyway?

I've seen this argument tons of times, so tl:dr,

Get the standard SinX skill build, get your GT, SB, and get your Katars. They are too valuable to be omitted, even if you're 'maining dual daggers', whatever that is. What good is dual dags anyway -.-, except for pure PvM.

Even for general casual play, definitely get Katar skills. You'll regret not getting them some day =/ Especially when a DD build works pretty damn well with SB/GT.

[DarkDevine]

If Dual Daggers wouldn't have an advantage compared to Katars, they wouldn't even exist.

a dual dagger build is useful for PvM only, thats right, but it can be more useful than Katars there.
1.: You can put max. 8 cards on your weapons except max. 4 cards (Better combos with status etc.)
2.: Through double attack you are able to stunlock the enemies, preventing them from attacking
3.: You can vary the size modifiers of monsters using daggers, swords and axes right
4.: Most katars have an overall lower damage output than most daggers, swords and axes
5.: You are not relying on the fact, that you got SP left for using Sonic Blow
6.: Meteor Assault can reach a higher damage than Grimtooth, especially when I see one of the past kRO updates, where Sonic Blow and Grimtooth get a 50% damage penalty when using EDP

If you use it right, you could also PvP/WoE with it, you just need to know what you're doing

[fluidin]

dont know whr ur point 6 came from, but if it's true, it's most likely one of those test renewal changes, which most likely has been changed already anyway.

GT > MA now, any day.

1.status on 1 target wise, yes, maybe. but dd statusing is ugh. clunky as hell

2.dont get point 2. what does dbl atk have to do with stunlocking and rendering ppl unable to attack. and i mean significantly.

3.DD is juz dual dags >_> dual sword dps would suck, and i dont think u can dual axe.

4.what.

5.conserving sp is so 2005


and i dun like the "u just need to know what you're doing" argument. well duh if u know what u're doing u can make most things work. but then again that knowledge is wasted on stuff with low potential. why the hell would u wanna do that. i would laugh at a dd sinx in woe any day, especially if he/she was a good player. wat a waste.

o and if chick hat is available, chick hat + katar dps almost always > DD dps, especially if ice pick does not play a part.

[DarkDevine]

2. You attack more often, you hit more often, every hit cancels the current attack animation of the enemy. Katars are slower than dual daggers
3. A dual dagger build allows wearing one-handed swords and one-handed axes (e.g. Orcish Axe), too. Swords are slower and axes are even more slower, but they have a higher damage as well as you should think about the size modifiers of each type
http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=misc_table_size
4. Sorry, I just woke up back then, fixed


I don't say that DD builds are better than Katar builds, I just say that they can be nice as well.

[Mathy]

Dex should be in multiples of 5 for +1 atk.
Str should be in multiples of 10 for extra atk.

The rest doesn't matter, but aim for no stat points left.

[fluidin]

nah, build wise they're great. but they're great only cos they're versatile, lol

anyway, cant help but think u dont have much exp with sinxs on 99/70s. not a bad thing necessarily, but yeah.

size mods dont rly do much (reason why drake cards are the utmost s***), and well, no, swords and axes definitely dont have higher dmg/dps than katars. not while ctrl clicking.

about cancelling attack animation of enemy... u know thats not exactly a gd thing right? their hit will still go thru regardless of whether their attack animation was stopped, and in most cases a cancelled atk animation means faster skill spamming for the enemy o-o

@mathy, every 5dex is a bonus 1 atk for melee =/


i duno, but some of the advice is horrible imho. this thread needs more relics :X

[DarkDevine]

size mods dont rly do much (reason why drake cards are the utmost s***), and well, no, swords and axes definitely dont have higher dmg/dps than katars. not while ctrl clicking.

They have a higher damage, the dps depends on your build.
If you hit the size modifier right you can reach additional 25%-50% damage

about cancelling attack animation of enemy... u know thats not exactly a gd thing right? their hit will still go thru regardless of whether their attack animation was stopped, and in most cases a cancelled atk animation means faster skill spamming for the enemy o-o

Not if monsters have an attack delay, which is default for eAthena afaik.
As long as the red numbers showing your damage didn't appear, the attack will be cancelled completely.

[fluidin]

o-o

trust me, calc that dual sword/axe thing with any build u want, but i would most likely be able to churn out a katar build with better dps using lesser/equal gear.

size modifiers means an extra 25-50% weapon atk difference, not total dmg diff. :X

? i dont think so lol. juz go rms test server and get a 190aspd dd sinx, ctrl atk any monster, you'll realise that you'll still get hit. of course, find a high hit one, and dont stack flee gear -.- o and its the same case with offics

[Icaruz]

well based on my experiences, eventho DD's do have a relatively higher dmg output compared to katars in general, their double attacks are sorta annoying in it slows ur attack down slightly,

while with a well equiped katar (infiltrators are a classic choice, peronally i find bloody roars are total crap since they drain ur flee), SB EDP Link does dish out sumwhat decent damage, if u can handle being called a noob that is (don't get me wrong, reason for this is that alot of ppl aren't creative enough with their builds n stick to the general opinion on what's good, heck i've been there)

With DD's tho u can't really crit much, and even with decent dex u'r probably gonna die from a crit SinX, or to a high dex high flee SB EDP Linked one cz with DD's u can't spam alot of skills

however if ur lucky enuff to be able to stun em via meteor assault, then theyre almost deffinetly stuffed (use EDPs for extra ouches)
proly also a good idea to add a stun/stone curse/freeze (not recommended cz really EVERYONE has a way around this 1 way or another), or sleep inducing status card