Okay, I hope I won't get badly treated for this, but I would like to voice out my opinion and suggestions here. I feel a suggestion thread is needed instead of just chatting in the General Chit Chat section. Please hear me out--I don't want RMS to degrade any further. Too many changes and bad feelings in such a short time (just days). Something needs to be done so that everyone can be satisfied.
Right off the bat:
1) Another staff member for RMS forums is needed. We need another moderator as Pow and Xarale (he has replied) are busy. There needs to be someone to help Relics keep the threads moderated. Some threads are just too long for the wrong reasons (mostly off-topic or useless flaming here and there). Also, as some forumers stated before, perhaps a new administrator as well. I know (as many others do) that yC has a lot on her hands with just the website development. There should be another person to help her on the forum seeing how Riotblade is kind of inactive on the forums (no idea about the website development). I know there is an issue with trust, but you can restrict permissions for that administrator if you want (like don't give the person complete access--just enough access to make the forum better like adding new mods/change boards). Though mostly I would like to have another moderator available for RMS forum.
2) A new banner for the RMS forum. I think there should be something graphically done to the forum. It is a bit plain, but I know changing the whole template would throw things off. Why not just change the buttons/icons to something more Ragnarok looking? Same with the forum banner as well. It would spice things up and keep our interest.
3) Unban some people. I cannot stress this enough. Some players do deserve to be banned while others should get warnings/moderation comments. Do not ban them right off just because they appear in many drama threads--they are quite on the dot with such things. Also, if the staff feels that it is necessary, give warnings. It is against the RULES to ban people right off. If the staff (especially Administrators) does not follow their own rules, it would set off players. "Why would players follow rules if the staff themselves cannot?" Or else, just edit the rules again (with people unbanned since they did not know about the new rules if they are to be made). People voicing out their ideas doesn't mean that they should be banned. Just talk to them/PM them first. Furthermore, bans should only be temporarily. Are the recently banned forumers still banned? Here is the link to GLOBAL forum rules: http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=globalAnnouncements;id=6 (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=globalAnnouncements;id=6) I believe something has to be fixed. Unban those who are not in the wrong please.
I probably have more suggestions later on, but I would like to say these things first. Please do not think that I am offending anyone--I am quite serious and want sophisticated posts and replies here. yC, I know you have been through numerous situations--as an Administrator, I feel that as well. However, players cannot be ignored forever. Same thing with forumers. In order to have a community, the staff has to be willing to be dedicated to the people as well. If they are being unreasonable, fine. Just say more to them. Don't leave them hanging. Don't leave us hanging. RMS forums seems way dead compared to before, and I believe people (including the staff) know the answer. Something must be done. Thank you for your time.
I honestly agree wholeheartedly, with everything said here. +1
And about the graphics, I know the DB area of the forums have been changed. Not sure if anyone plans on changing the forums.
It was about time that someone made a thread about this, since the topic in the general chit chat section is being plainly ignored.
+1 to everything said here. yC, you are doing an excelent job on the website, but the forums need a little bit of love too.
I agree with Tom,
Quote from: Tom~ on Jul 09, 2010, 04:14 PM
+1 to everything said here.
I think it might help bring in more new people if the link to the forums was more prominent on the RMS database page. I know several newer players that were using RMS and not aware that the forums existed.
I also wonder if a thread not just for "Support" but for true new players to ask questions would help. I have heard that the community being so knowledgalbe is intimidating to many new players. The are concerned about asking "stupid" questions and being troll/flamed for their lack of knowledge. :-\
What ever changes maybe explored, it appears now would be a good time. The community seems more than ready to move on and be constructive. :D
Quote from: Immortal on Jul 09, 2010, 06:09 PM
I think it might help bring in more new people if the link to the forums was more prominent on the RMS database page. I know several newer players that were using RMS and not aware that the forums existed.
I also wonder if a thread not just for "Support" but for true new players to ask questions would help. I have heard that the community being so knowledgalbe is intimidating to many new players. The are concerned about asking "stupid" questions and being troll/flamed for their lack of knowledge. :-\
What ever changes maybe explored, it appears now would be a good time. The community seems more than ready to move on and be constructive. :D
The support forum is 90% of the time is responded with "Go ask eathena" or it's a silly question asked a million times that could be found using the search function (Which for some reason seems to be hard to find/use for new users).
As for
knowledgeable people, the number has dwindled greatly with the bannings.
Another big problem seems to be communication (see the argument for necroposting). It seems like people aren't on the same page on the staff. There have been many disagreements between moderators and yC usually.
Sure, people are still posting, but the quality of the posts have dwindled considerably. No one is left with the patience enough to help people and still deal with how the forum is being handled. Everyone is leaving or being banned. If something doesn't happen soon, then RMS is going to be facing quite a problem.
I'll state this so that I don't have to make a further reply to point this out. To those who believe in "admin is not allowed to disagree with the people", this is going to be a disappointing answer and I expect this will become another call for the exact opposite which is "people are not allowed to disagree with the admin". The argument work both ways, suggestions are just suggestions. Staff is here to decide them.
1) How about a new forum for those that are looking for a dramatic change in staff. Basically more staff is not going to solve every problem in the world regardless of the trust issue. If people behave the way it should be, in a perfect world, there shouldn't be any staff interference at all. The fact that you see there is a need for newer and more active staff team means you also see a problem with the forum on the posting issues be it spam, flame, insult etc. Now since you mentioned that, I want you to know there is a reason why I blame people in this forum for causing trouble. As oppose to those that think they should continue to cause trouble and the staff should be to blame while the staff can't blame anyone.
This is a difficult challenge. I myself don't want to be here dealing with people that goes out of line more than often. Nor does anyone in the world wants to use their time this way. Even being a volunteer in a public organization gets a 'thank you' and something worthy to be put on their resume if not a reference letter. With relation to your suggestion #3, banning trouble maker that is 'beyond repair' is a much more efficient tool than putting the extra stress on the already busy staff team.
In short, with much respect to my current staff I'll say this. Do you ever see a job in your local community that never get filled or the turn over rate is high? Fine out why ...
Looking at the Applications topics. I can't really pick people that were here for only a few months or those that goes inactive after posting their application. Some became gm or admin of servers at a later time that affect their eligibility status.
Me stepping down is rather impossible. If someone don't like the management it's better to move on simple as that. Once again I don't have the power to force people to stick to this forum, in the same way you don't have the power to control everything around here. If you don't like Microsoft you can use Linux. Sure, if you don't like this forum try the eAthena forum. There will be less conflict built us so it's good for both sides. I could also suggest a faster and better solution to the person who suggested this, it is to just create another forum, hire his own staff that he see fits and then be his own admin.
2) If the forum continue to be a burden to the staff team there could be no forum in the near future, so the change is out of the question. If the core is rotten it doesn't matter the look is good. This is really not the time I'll consider a graphic update in the forum. This current "theme" was all done/selected by Riotblade. If you have been following my news you should know I am "graphically challenged" ...
3) Answered this a bit in suggestion #1. The warning system is about to change. We don't have the patience to give a billion chances to repeated offenders anymore. I used to think they will change after some warnings, that was too naive of me thinking of a perfect world when it's the 4chan world that is in reality. However, the rule for no spamming, no flaming, no insult and having multiple accounts has been there for years. Those that ignored them more than often were welly deserved to be banned. Regardless if they have been helpful at times, it doesn't change the fact that they are in violation.
The power to issue a straight ban has always been with the staff, although it was rarely used because we promote a friendly community. On the registration agreement (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=register logout?), "false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy ..." could lead to a ban "in the event of a major violation of this agreement". For the amount of hateful if not abusive/harassing/invading privacy acts some of the banned users employed over the cross of their stay, they are definitely not minor violators. Because warning them, muting them, temp banning them does nothing and they just come back and does it again. The only person that might have was said to be never warned but was banned because the global rule on having multiple accounts applies.
Regardless of the suggestion. I'll state this again. I rather have a quiet forum than to have to work with a forum that need 24/7 staff attention. The forum is suppose to be a supplement to the site, an extension of the site that will help people on finding out server and finding more information about the game. It is NOT built to be a 4chan residence forum where troll (as defined by wiki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29) is acceptable. If it no longer can serve its purpose or nobody is motivated to work on keeping this forum in line, the forum will have to be closed.
I'll also use this opportunity to say that the Hall of Shame and Soap Opera sections are now the child board of Rant and Rave. Only staff can move topic into those two sections whenever they find a topic fits. The board description has been updated to reflect the changes. The Hall of Shame, Soap Opera and the whole Off-Topic sections are now not invisible from guest. I don't want guests to sign up because they want to participate in drama or off-topic sections that is not the main focus of our forum. Also by doing that it could save some bandwidth and page load from serving web spiders on the least important topics.
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I'm just going to leave that for the others to tear apart.
+1 Yukino
+1 Lemon
Thank you for your reply.
As someone has said before (I believe it was Lemon or... yeah, can't find that post now), if you think the main point of this forum is "I rather have a quiet forum than to have to work with a forum that need 24/7 staff attention. The forum is suppose to be a supplement to the site, an extension of the site that will help people on finding out server and finding more information about the game" (too lazy to paraphrase), then remove all those rant sections. No need for Soap Opera threads. Why promote more trollers then? Seeing how people are banned right off for voicing what they have said, why give people more chances to do so? Just take it all away. I mean, you would sacrifice forum views for peace, right? (Seeing how majority of the contributors are banned or will be banned. Community members are sacrificed for peace as well from what I can see.) Right now, you have basically just you and Relics working. Perhaps you can also ask him if he thinks another staff member is necessary. If you cannot find anyone satisfying at the moment, don't throw the idea completely off. We want you to at least consider it. This is a pretty huge forum which I believe needs more than 2 people watching over it all. I mean, look at all the threads that aren't locked and moderated (the "trollers" aren't banned there). The staff is overly busy because of the population of the staff team lol.
As for the job analogy, people want jobs. There aren't enough out there. Just making that clear. Positions are always filled (or at least within a short moment).
I didn't say that you should stop down. It's more like you need someone else to help with the burdens and decision-making. There needs to be more staff members in the end if the forum continues to grow. As for moving unto eAthena, that's more for scripts and such. I always thought RMS forum focuses more on servers and situations. eAthena does not focus on the servers--they provide downloads and script/server work help. Once again, just refer to my first big paragraph about "removing certain sections" if you want peace and not be contradictory at all ><.
I forget the news easily... it's been a long time since I actually looked at the section and even at the right thread that you're trying to mention. I think there would be at least someone who can help out graphically. There are many designers in the Paid section if you want. Also, this isn't much of a theme (the current). Lol, it's the default theme... lots of thinking and choosing have been put into this decision. Yep... hm.
Well, if the warning system will change, please do inform us all. The banned people didn't know about the "upcoming" changes. They were dealt with before the changes occurred. That I believe is unfair. It's like jailing/banning people in-game saying "I am about to make a new rule, and you just broke it. Hence, you get punished first". By banning people right off without an explanation (especially to those who NEVER got warned before and wanted to see some changes to the forum <--Emphasis), that's not promoting a friendly community at all. The staff members are PART of the community as well. The forumers were banned for that thread specifically about what they think should be done to the forum. I don't think that's fair, kind, and logical at all.
People do want change. Better ones. People are motivated to keep this forum in line; hence, we are suggesting all of these. It's because we're not trusted enough that we are subjected to punishments or are disregarded.
As for the board changes, that could have been done earlier. It's just too much of a coincidence to have them changed now (in our eyes anyways). There could have been a notification about the new changes as well... and any new ones you have in mind. It's just a really bad timing for all of this to happen. I won't criticize more in this area.
Wait, GorthexTiger had multiple accounts? I doubt that... but even if he did, wouldn't the ban be placed before hand? Why was he banned right after commenting in that thread? Once again, really "bad timing".
Anyways, I hope I don't sound too offensive, but it does seem like the staff is shying away... giving up and just banning the community. If you want peace, get rid of all those sections where flaming will be found. I was hoping that the forum would change for the better, but at the moment, it's hard to see that. I do hope something will be done. Once again, thank you for your time and reply.
Since I don't really feel like posting a tl;dr post, because I'm tired, and just got home, I'm just going to comment on the area about people not wanting to deal with the forums, adequate possibilities for staff, blah blah..
Not wanting to toot my own horn, or anyone elses, but I'm pretty sure that I, and a few other people would be more than willing to deal with the forums on a regular basis. They're forums, drama will happen, and getting rid of two people (one of which has never been warned his entire stay at RMS) that had a big part in the voice of RMS isn't going to, as you put it, "I rather have a quiet forum than to have to work with a forum that need 24/7 staff attention." In fact, being a long-term veteran of RMS, and being here when Descent himself first joined, they've seemed to help quiet down most of the drama topics. Of course, when people respond with an, at least, somewhat intelligent answer to a drama-prone topic, drama will ensue afterwards, but it always managed to dwindle down.
Now, it just seems, such as topics previously pointed out in the Chit-Chat topic, the drama dwindles down, but instead of stopping, it ends up in small, random, one sentence posts.
So, to wrap up what I'm saying, myself, and quite a few others would be more than willing to take on responsibility, especially since I, and certain others, are veterans of the boards, haven't been around for just a few months and didn't just randomly disappear. I know Descent did a great job when he was on the staff, so, that, in itself, is proof.
There's a lot more I want to say, but I won't, just because I'm tired. So. There you go.
twocentsworth.
I agree with what Aurora said.
The community isn't giving up on the forum and wants it to grow and be better. The staff shouldn't give up on the community as well. Don't make more people disappear to avoid all the problems. It's just a temporary excuse/time of peace, and you know it. Nothing is really solved in the end just by running away and banning people right off.
I'll make this one short since you don't seems to read the whole post I made or you ignored some key point I made.
1) I already said HoS & Soap Opera is now only available for staff to move topics into there, so users can't create topic in there. I considered removing them completely but found it might be too late and don't know where to put the topics anyway. Right now no one can create topics in there, existing topics can still be discussed. Guests can't view the two sections. I'll see if that help at all.
2) I am not joking. Seriously, would you like to look at the application topic and recommend some people that are still active from the date of posting the application, is being a good citizen and has signed up for at least 3 months? I think the choose is very limited. Like one ...?
3) I said the warning system is going to change doesn't mean the people banned were banned under a new unrevealed system. That is completely misunderstood on your part. The agreement I shown you has always been there. It's basically the default agreement that the forum software came with (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?action=register). Which gives the generate accepted behavior of a web community. Those not acting accordingly can expect the consequence stated, no surprise at all.
I can count, just by skimming, at least three, including myself (tooting my own horn.)
Also, yC, I didn't comment on either 1 or 2 that you just mentioned, I only commented on dealing with the forums. So, no offense, but I don't think you read my whole post. Unless you're not just talking to just me, then by bad. But still, there's more than just one that I see, that qualifies.
Hi yC, it's Gorthex (<3 you!!!).
I wanted to address a couple things, and I recommend you read this before banning me. PS I'm not actually GorthexTiger posting this, I'm an innocent bystander. Should you ban me, you'd simply be banning another random user like you've been recently doing. Anyway, happy reading!
Quote from: yC on Jul 09, 2010, 07:34 PM
I'll state this so that I don't have to make a further reply to point this out...
If this is the case, you should lock the topic.
You can't just make 1 post regarding the suggestion, and then leave it as is; if your mind is already set, and you have no intention on doing it, then there's no point in continuing the topic and you should just lock it.
Most of the suggestion topics turn to drama after the realization that things won't change anyways, so I hope you see the logic and reasoning behind it.
Quote from: yC on Jul 09, 2010, 07:34 PM
The fact that you see there is a need for newer and more active staff team means you also see a problem with the forum on the posting issues be it spam, flame, insult etc.
This is not necessarilly the case.
You can't say that because there is a need for something, that the other party is responsible for the problem.
There's a need for Doctors, so are we going to blame sick people for getting sick?
There's a need for Scientists, so are we going to blame technology?
There's a need for Farmers, so are we going to blame food?
And the same is truthful vice-versa.
Nor is it just issues with posting either.
Both Xarale and Pow have been absent lately, which, has left you, to moderate the forums alone.
Just as easily as you can, "blame people in this forum for causing trouble", we can easily blame you for "not moderating fairly, being a good moderator," etc.
Especially with the recent bannings you've done (and this just isn't my opinion either) and the people who have commented on it. I won't even address your
lack of concern or care of other people's opinions (which you clearly demonstrated with your 1 post 'I will not respond to anymore posts' statement).
The problem is, it's a looks bad. Sort of like Apple. Steve Jobs blaming the Apple iPhone 4's network on everyone because they are 'holding it wrong', makes him look,
quite frankly, like a douche bag. He's the CEO of Apple, and he's saying the problem really isn't with the product, it's with the users.
However, when several people (users) all start to say the same thing, it's different. 1 Person can be wrong about everything, however, when a group of people come together, and they are all saying the same thing,
and have concrete, logical, supporting evidence that backs-up their statement, it's a little bit more incriminating.
And that's what is exactly happening here.
You can point fingers all you want yC, but together we have more fingers than you. And we sound a lot more convincing to.
Quote from: yC on Jul 09, 2010, 07:34 PM
Regardless if they have been helpful at times, it doesn't change the fact that they are in violation.
The power to issue a straight ban has always been with the staff, although it was rarely used because we promote a friendly community.
On the registration agreement (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=register logout?), "false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy ..." could lead to a ban "in the event of a major violation of this agreement". For the amount of hateful if not abusive/harassing/invading privacy acts some of the banned users employed over the cross of their stay, they are definitely not minor violators. Because warning them, muting them, temp banning them does nothing and they just come back and does it again.
The only person that might have was said to be never warned but was banned because the global rule on having multiple accounts applies.
Then let's be a bit more specific yC.
You broke your own Global Rules:
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=globalAnnouncements;id=6
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->Harassment, insult and personal attack is not allowed.
Your post:
Quote from: yC on Jul 01, 2010, 09:09 PM
I am glad you didn't become admin of eAthena otherwise disaster might happen.
Depending on what you said, it could also be considered a "trolling" post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29 (In case you forgot the link earlier).
You also then reconfirmed it, but I don't need to link to that.
So, you should warn yourself for that.
Yes, I did have 1 other account.
Yes, I did post with that secondary account.
HOWEVER, there are factors that you didn't specify, and the rules don't cover them.
1.) The secondary account was created for 'anonymity' while I posted in Flippy's hacked RO server topic. I sent you a private message and told you back in April 12th, what the account was for.
If it was something worth warranting a ban, I should've been banned then, instead of now. This indicates you were saving up "dirt" on me and waiting to use it.
2.) What I posted and did on that secondary account never violated any of your global rules:
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->Registering multiple accounts to skip or by-pass moderation
->Registering multiple accounts to support your own claims, make false accusations, make yourself 'look good' or to incite a flame war by deliberately creating an argument.
The account, was simply to be used during that post so that I could remain annoynmous, which you had no problem with back then, but apparently do now.
And let's be blunt:
Had I really wanted to remain annoymous, I could've kept you out of the loop, used a proxy, and you would've never been any more informed of my actions.
But I didn't because I gave you that respect.
The fact that you are bringing that to light
now, is because you
STILL[/u] can't deal with the "facts" of my post and are
trying to justify my ban to the community.
Do you really think that they are that stupid?
They understand what you are doing yC, more than you realize.
Since you'd rather have a quiet forum than a decent one, I suggest you close it, since you have no intention of being fair or listening to anyone's suggestions at all.
In the meantime, I will be taking your suggestion and starting my own site. Once the site is complete I hope you can forward a link to it, I'm sure the trollololololers will love it there.
Thanks for all fun yC.
P.S.
Regarding your Global Forum Rule....
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Do not resurrect threads where the last post is any more than 2 months before hand.
I would hope that since you can't follow them here, you might follow the common courtesy to at least follow them on other boards.
http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?showtopic=135688&st=120&p=1359869&#entry1359869
Oopsie daysies, guess not.
Later yC.
PS: I'd like to apply to become a forum moderator. I was highly active before the ban, and I'm more than capable of handling a forum.
+1 4 GorthexTiger 4 mod
I believe she's talking to me XD.
1) If you want NO trollers and want peace, remove the RANT section. Obviously, that will fuel dramas right there. Not just the HoS and Soap Opera sections. And, I don't see much of a difference--the community can still post in them. Dramas can still fuel, and you'll get more trollers. Then, you'll ban more people.
2) Hey, I did say that you should keep in mind the suggestion and not throw it away completely. Wait for someone competent or like Aurora said, there is more than one person to be considered so far.
3) "The staff and the owner of this forum reserve the right to remove objectionable content, within a reasonable time frame, if they determine that removal is necessary. This is a manual process, however, please realize that they may not be able to remove or edit particular messages immediately."
That's one thing. Next thing to consider, were some of the banned people saying false things? Inaccurate things? They wanted change. Hateful? Threatening? Abusive? If they hated you completely, they would already try to destroy something or whatever. I doubt their comments are like that. Just read more in detail about what they actually posted please.
Furthermore, the rules right off here on the forum state there is a moderation system. You made customized edits. Follow them.
Oh wow, Gorthex posted a lot XD.
Thanks for the reply and your time again.
Oh, well, then again, my bad @ yC.
Guess someone decided to turn this into another of the 9 pages topic. I only read the last part up there, I'll have to ask Jman if my own forum rule is going to govern my posts in another forum. If that is the case, everyone can create their own forum and have a set of rule like "troll is welcome" and then go troll another forum as if it's legal. GorthexTiger is a moderator, just not here.
+1 kitten for Yukino.
yC:
1) That won't reduce the drama. Now, the drama threads will just sit in server discussion/review/reports until they are deemed drama worthy enough to be moved to the HoS or Soap Opera.
The same threads will still exist. Now, they'll just be put in a queue to be moved elsewhere.
2) Perhaps you should approach some people you think would be adequate, then? Perhaps people you think would be good think they are not known well enough, or don't feel like they'd do a good job, when you feel otherwise.
3) You banned 4 people, yC.
Descent.
Gorthex, who has never previously been warned/modded/muted
Shinn
Final, who was already on a temp ban, and you decided to make it perma, without seeing if the said punishment had beaten into his head the rules. That's what punishments are for. To teach and disuade from future wrongdoings.
So, why have forum rules listed at all then, if you're just going to pull out the "You all agreed to the ToS and that says I can ban you whenever I feel like it"? >>
Why have rules that state just how punishments will work?
Which do we follow? The rules, which apparently are overrun by the ToS, or the ToS, which simply say you can ban us whenever, with no further rules for us to follow?
I really don't think that was Gorthex's point, yC. The point is, you treat necro'ing as such as huge deal here, and yet you did it there, as well. He's not saying your rules should apply to you on forums that aren't RMS.
Also, I really don't think you should be accusing someone else of only reading some of your post, as you did at Yukino, when you just mentioned that you only read the last part of his, and are only commenting as such. =\
Aurora, I didn't get to read your post because I was writing mine at the same time. Well, you signed up April 13rd ... not here for that long. I did said 3 months and that is the very bear minimum because it takes time to observer someone. So far I think you have been a good citizen, can't recall any report or note on you.
Yusifer, that is who I am referring to being GM/Admin of server changed their eligibility. But later in the day I was told (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php/topic,15682.msg112287.html#msg112287) she is no longer with us.
Who else are you referring to that made it 3 according to you ...?
Edit: Aurora, look at the topic title on eA. It's about kRO client. Since when kRO release a client everyday to keep the topic fresh. Using posts I made elsewhere to attack me here is low enough. Not using the required common sense is worst (to whoever try to exploit that and call that a necro lol).
Ughhh, I hate having a new account. Meh.
As I've already said, this is an account I had to remake, and I had even PMed you at one time on a different account (I think the one I had made to get in touch with you was Aingeal? Maybe Arielle. I don't remember what name I used), letting you know I was having difficulty getting on.
Just for future reference, for everyone:
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8841
This was my original account. For some reason, the trademark in the name got all f*** up, and I can't remember what I used for the password, so.. I was forced to make a new one.
And, as far as the others in the hiring topic, I'll edit my post with names. I'll actually go over them instead of skimming (I'm sure I'll find a couple more than the three, including myself.)
EDIT: And again, he wasn't attacking you, he was making a point. You posted in a topic that hadn't been active for four months. If that isn't a necro, I don't know what is.
EDITEDIT: Also, the title of that topic on eA says to PM a moderator if the links are down.
Quote from: yC on Jul 10, 2010, 12:14 AM
Edit: Aurora, look at the topic title on eA. It's about kRO client. Since when kRO release a client everyday to keep the topic fresh. Using posts I made elsewhere to attack me here is low enough. Not using the required common sense is worst (to whoever try to exploit that and call that a necro lol).
You guys tell us here, that instead of necroing it, make it a new thread, if it is something like that.
You should have done the same.
List of potential moderators/administrators:
- Gorthex 4 admin
- Kyomi
- Lucian
- Yusifer
- Myself
It's not many, but it's enough.
Quote from: Aurora™ on Jul 10, 2010, 12:30 AM
List of potential moderators/administrators:
- Gorthex 4 admin
- Kyomi
- Lucian
Yusifer- Myself
It's not many, but it's enough.
Yusifer is no longer with us D:
Quote from: Aurora™ on Jul 10, 2010, 12:30 AM
List of potential moderators/administrators:
- Gorthex 4 admin
- Kyomi
- Lucian
- Yusifer
- Myself
It's not many, but it's enough.
I also suggest Yukino, though I think they break the whole admin/GM thing.
Either way, this thread and others has convinced me they have a decent head on their shoulders.
If yC doesn't mind, I would suggest Yukino too. Gorthex would be an awesome mod if he wasn't banned lol.
+1 to Yukino, as well.
Quote from: Immortal on Jul 09, 2010, 06:09 PM
I think it might help bring in more new people if the link to the forums was more prominent on the RMS database page.
This.
I think yC gave up reading posts since they are long and disagreed with how she thought anyway. Why should she care about the forums working? There are no ad income. In fact, if you ignore the forums a lot of the time anyway, and hate everyone that posts more than 20 times why do you HAVE it?
Also, I think yC needs to be shown what a real troll is. And no, that isn't a call to arms. I would look for an example but it seems like a waste of time anyway since it will just be ignored.
^ LemonCrosswalk has spoken my mind, especially the first paragraph. This is what I mean by being disregarded. After just a few times, nothing will be taken seriously. The majority of the community is complaining--there must be something wrong with the forum. We do not complain because we like to (most of the time); we complain because we feel something is lacking and needs to be changed (precisely now we are spending all this time to try and convince you). Regardless of how long it would take to implement changes, at least consider them and not throw them all away. If you want all the veterans to leave, you would have nobody else to help answer people's questions for all the times you or the other staff members couldn't/didn't.
Furthermore, there is more than one person to consider for a new moderator like Aurora said. DarkDevine just entered his application as well. It's because we want to help the forum that people are applying (people like me cannot as we are server owners (thanks to everyone who supported me to be one and my points stated here/each other's points here) though we do want to help in a way that we can).
The forum is important. If it is not important, it would not be such a noticeable link right on each page of the RMS website. It's right next to the log off button. If something is made, it should be made and maintained wholeheartedly. Don't just run away from problems--solve them. We're not running off to eAthena completely because we feel that this forum has potential (and still has a chance for improvement). Why are you telling us to run off when we're trying so hard to prove our points to you? To help you? It's as if you, as many people have stated, no longer cares about this forum. No longer cares for the community. It's like saying to players who want good changes to a server, "Go to another server for all I care. My server is good enough without all of you people here." You should have learned from all the drama posted here in the past regarding staff members. The staff members mentioned mainly fail because they are corrupted or that they do not care for the community enough. You're casting all of us away. Thank you for your time.
Well, like I said I am not going to be watching the forum 24/7 so good luck calling me out on instant replies. I am not going to stress myself like that, who wants to sit here wait for replies. In fact, I am going back to my old days of checking suggestion, support, report section once or twice a day whenever possible.
Quote from: Aurora™ on Jul 10, 2010, 12:30 AM
List of potential moderators/administrators:
- Gorthex 4 admin
- Kyomi
- Lucian
- Yusifer
- Myself
It's not many, but it's enough.
+ Yukino and DarkDevine.
First, who is Gorthex 4 admin?
Second, I like how a suggest topic can turn into a staff team pick by various people. May I suggest you this way --> http://www.simplemachines.org/ create your own forum and hire your own people.
Now, I can't even find an application from certain people in the list. Please apply and be active in the forum if you want to be considered. Banned user is not going to be considered.
I saw DarkDevine posted one today but seeing he is going to a staff of a coming up server (in less than a month), the qualification is in doubt.
Yusifer is gone.
Aurora, we might have to look at your old account for history.
I like how I am given a list to pick, very convenience. So again, "admin cannot disagree with the people"? I think not. I am not going to hire staff at this moment just because I am given a list. There isn't much selection after removing the no app / no show / going to be gm, picking someone to be staff because of a suggestion is ridiculous. Like I said, if you want more staff that means there is a problem in the forum and new staff isn't going to solve it right away.
There is much consideration and discussion needed (privately) to hire new staff. There is also requirements listed in the hiring topic. Picking people hastily because staff is said to be needed isn't going to work. It might even be dangerous if we are not being careful and picked someone with a bad intention. Now you guys made a big deal on new staff, it is not helping at all. It actually slows the progress because under the assumption that the staff picking is in process potential candidates might act differently than usual affecting our observation.
A troll, i'll use the definition from wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29), in short i'll just quote this:
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2] In addition to the offending poster, the noun "troll" can also refer to the provocative message itself, as in that was an excellent troll you posted. "
That is exactly what happened to certain topics in this forum. Piles of spam from different people in a very short amount of time. Come to think of it, oh it happens they share the similar signature by coincidence. Don't ask me for an example Lemon, I am pretty sure I saw you on the scene almost first or second. Would you like to stop the 'troll'?
Not saying you were doing "it" there, but I am pretty sure you saw it happened. Since you were there at least in this case >> http://img688.imageshack.us/i/exampleqz.jpg/ I can remember i was pretty busy deleting the amount of spam posted in that topic in order to drive it off-topic and stop any serious discussion.
Actually, I would like to ask about the following while Lemon is here. Just browsing a little around here I can find plenty of stuff that can be defined as troll:
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php/topic,14811.msg106307.html#msg106307
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php/topic,15381.msg111245.html#msg111245
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php/topic,14987.msg107614.html#msg107614
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php/topic,14676.msg105724.html#msg105724
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php/topic,15100.msg108433.html#msg108433
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php/topic,14829.msg106479.html#msg106479
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php/topic,14820.msg106318.html#msg106318
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php/topic,15536.msg112198.html#msg112198
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php/topic,14987.msg107621.html#msg107621
If the forum is going to be full of these kind of posts that serve no purpose but a waste of time and space, I don't think I can work on the forum anymore. It's not just Lemon, you can see others are doing it too. Many of them were deleted but still many of them are here. Yukino what do you think about this, would you like to see these if you are hired? My minimum goal is at least have a forum free from these 4chan invasion. Otherwise no point running this forum because no one want to see these waste of time non-sense.
Oh dear...it's like this again. People are asking for something that obviously isn't going to happen...I've seen this kind of event numerous times already.
Well, anyway...
Quote from: yC on Jul 10, 2010, 02:15 PM
who wants to sit here wait for replies. Lol, that's something I'm doing. I seriously have way too much free time at the moment...sigh.
First, who is Gorthex 4 admin? <--If I crossed that out, does this make sense now? >_>
So again, "admin cannot disagree with the people"? I think not. That is NOT what anyone is saying here. Who made you think that?
Like I said, if you want more staff that means there is a problem in the forum and new staff isn't going to solve it right away. New staff may not solve problems right away but it will in the long run. Otherwise, the current staff needs to find more time to moderate this forum. If life is going to screw you over in the long run, I'd suggest not having to work online for free in some RO site or server. -_-
I am staff of the ROorg team, but 1st: ROorg won't be released until December, at least it won't be released in August 2010 and 2nd: I am the Web-Developer for ROorg, nothing more, I don't GM/Administrate there.
Sarcasm =/= Trolling
I'm not going to make excuses for my posts. I didn't act like this when I joined. I was ignored and generally insulted by yC. The Moderation was horrible. In fact, it was like how it is right now except with JJJ (which isn't a good thing). I would explain my behavior, but if I typed anything longer than a few lines I doubt it would be FULLY read. The fact is, if the forum was under BETTER control, I wouldn't have made 90% of those comments. Ironically enough I work in Public Relations. It's my job to fix things like this, but I never saw the point of even offering after the first time I did since anything said falls upon deaf ears.
THE LIST OF PEOPLE'S NAME WERE A LIST OF SUGGESTIONS.
Not a "Here, you must pick from these people".
You said there's no one to choose for staff.
We gave you a list of people we THINK would make decent staff, to show you that there ARE people.
Suggestions, ffs.
*~*A message from Descent*~*
People. yC's not going to change. It's quite evident what she wants...an empty forum. If that's what she wants, she can have it.
You never cared about the forum OR the community, yC. Please just come out and say it. You would ban individuals solely on the fact that you didn't like what they said. You don't pay attention to the forums. You don't care that you will pass judgment on somebody and then ignore what happens after the fact.
Let's start with the thread where you banned Shinn, myself, Gorthex. Did you know that in that same thread, MKR openly insulted JMan's integrity? Are you aware that Abversen tried to pick a fight with a defenseless GorthexTiger? How is that fair? You want to remove all "unfriendly" members, but they're only "unfriendly" if you see it happen?
I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Forums freeze moments in time. The "I didn't see it happen" excuse is a completely invalid argument. A couple of mouseclicks and you're right at the moment when things were posted on the forums. And while we're at it, if you want to continue to use "I didn't see it happen", since you're such a fan of using real life situations to justify internet actions...
Two men are walking on Queen Street in Toronto. Man A shoots Man B. Witness A sees it and runs to a nearby police officer to report what just happened. Does the officer say "Sorry ma'am, I didn't see it" and go about his day? No. They begin investigating immediately.
If you're not going to pay attention to the forums as you so clearly have stated, then you NEED somebody who can. There are people practically throwing themselves at you because they want to help. Not because they want the power. Not because they want to be an RMS Mod. They want to help. And to be quite honest, you should be thankful that there are still people that want to help, because these users could clearly take your advice and "leave if they don't like it".
If you only care about what makes you money, then hire somebody who cares about the community that your site currently possesses. Without them and word of mouth, your site would be nothing, and even you know that.
~*~End of a message from Descent~*~
Michy has been deleted. I certainly don't need someone that sign up to the forum just to add fuel to our conversation. It serve no value to us at all. We know where Michy is from and who he is speaking for.
Lemon, yes I too notice those that are now posting non-sense used to be good people. I wish it never turned this way, and I wish it could go back to the way it was. Hmm I ignored you? Sorry but I really ignored a lot of people, I don't remember how many times I mention I am not good with names. Not sure about the insult part, be more specific and I'll see if I recall it. I might used to be that way I don't deny I have been here for too long and changed too many times. Now I just afraid to post too much because of the word twisting and the unwanted attention I get for everything I do.
On the moderation part, yes it is horrible because we all have a life. Nobody can be here to watch the forum all day as I said. I do miss JJJ, he was good in deleting the spam that we see now after he is gone. JJJ actually has a lot of time to "fight" the spam and keep the forum in line so I can let him take control. That was at least one reason I am not willing to let him go even under huge pressure. I still think JJJ was a good staff member over the whole cross he was here. If people know how much time he put into this forum to keep it in line. Not even Riot, me, Pow (or those that was previously global mod) have that much dedication.
Can I get an opinion on how the staff should deal with the spam/troll/non-sense? I delete them everyday and they keep coming. Warning someone that does it while someone got away on another because I don't have eyes for every topics = get called for bad moderation. So I ended up just delete as I see them, save the warning in most cases. Now it become the norms and have no way to put a stop to that. If there is a robot that will take care of them good, there isn't one so far. I am not exactly sure any potential candidate is willing to take that kind of robot job. You'll feel you are not getting anywhere after a while.
How would you feel if you are banned for spamming that kind of thing over and over is one matter. How would the staff feel if we delete the same thing over and over is another matter. Any answer? No perfect solution? I can't think of any other than the forum need to close.
I am not saying I am not going to hire new staff. I will and I am always looking at potential candidates. Don't know why Michy have to twist my words in a way that make it sound like I am not hiring anybody forever. That is completely false. I just rather keep the process private, ask my existing staff opinion etc. They are here more than I am here, they should know who is suitable for a staff position better than me. I wouldn't be the only voice on picking a new staff. We have to pick someone that we all feel fine to work together.
Posted on: Jul 10, 2010, 09:24 pm
Lemon I think you mean Descent? It wasn't a Decent message ...
I have told him many times already. If the person didn't report to the police, the police might not see it. In this forum's case, the report board has many solved cases everyday. Those that didn't get reported might not be dealt with. Simple as that.
Hmm, I've been reading this thread because, well frankly, it's like when you're in the passenger seat and you see a terrible car accident and you turn almost completely around so you can see if anyone's gotten hurt, then you tell the driver how ridiculously messed up the car looks. (I know I'm not the only person here that does this >.> )
Anyhow, like Descent says, yC doesn't plan on changing, and it's not really the place of the community to demand she does so.
I think if everyone's this unhappy they should get on board with the server rating 2.0 project I've been hearing about.
However, I must say this yC: I never really knew who you were until you called my last admin an attention whore. Not to say she wasn't. But I do think this whole "unfriendly" community thing has spawned up because of people like that. If you want to get rid of dramas, get rid of the drama whores. Trolls live off the stuff. You're trying fan the smoke away with a dishrag when you should skip that part and blast the crap out of the fire.
It also seems to me like a lot of stuff happens because of cultural difference anyhow. I dunno about you, but I'm from Chicago and everyone there is pretty easygoing when it comes to sarcasm and whatnot. I think depending on where people are from, their personalities and senses of humor are different. Besides, this is the internet. Just because the words people are saying come out sounding mean or hurtful doesn't mean they are. I think everyone needs to chillax, stop being on the offensive and defensive and remember that this forum isn't about the admin, it's about the servers.... that being said, it's hard for servers to be talked about when their admins are getting banned but - c'est la vie, no?
So, I guess that's my two cents.
tl;dr version : Ban Attention Whores First
If I get banned, tell my mom I love her! T_T
ive also been reading this and from what Ive seen Ive been talking to michy and gorthex the whole time i didn't let that get in the way of my judgment upon this situation and from this topic alone all the non sense you've been spewing seems to make me believe that you would like to run RMS in a dictator ship kind of way, Your thoughts are that these people's suggestions is a re-vault but actually a way to fix the errors that Ive come across while reading your post. I had not chosen sides before i got to the end and the end was you deleting a forum member over the fact that he was pointing out facts about you banning or deleting people for the main purpose of they do things you just dont like and with no reason till like 10 minutes after banning/deleting some one you have information, well if this is how RMS runs their forums im actually pretty glade RMS 2.0 is coming thank you for this eye opener and now that ive given you a professional review on how you handled your issue's i think you owe the people you've given unfair judgment to an apology
PS. if this is how it's going to be on a daily basis, I'd rather go play limitro
~Kyo 8)
Yc seriously.
I and all of the people here ,especially Descent, Have spoken they're minds.
WHY are they banned and the REAL trolls and flame-bait aren't?
YOU keep banning the regs and the "supposedly trolls" but you aren't banning the real thing.
You ban those who have 100++ posts THAT contributed and you don't ban the trolls with 50+ posts?
And what lemon said is true sarcasm=/=troll.
Why are most members of us becoming lazy-bums and not helping and going "I r Dunno" and sarcasm stuffs?
Why should we care Why should we respect If you yourself doesn't even care about the forums anymore.
You have been ignoring most posts simply because you didn't agree with they're idea.
You have not even gave us the reason you banned the forum regs.
And for the love of ****.
Look at your supposedly kawaii-desu new members have trolled countless times.
And while defending ourselves we get a -karma?
So much for a community.
Quote from: yC on Jul 10, 2010, 02:15 PM
May I suggest you this way --> http://www.simplemachines.org/ create your own forum and hire your own people.
We already have. Admined by myself, Gorthex and my boyfriend.
It is still in development (I need to work on the forum theme, for instance. I have epic ideas for it), and it is temporarily hosted via Gorthex's ChosenRO domain, but this will change when it gets fully off the ground.
Also, ignore the name. Ragnalolk will be changed. I just amuse myself too much, and find myself far too witty.
Not only will it feature the forums you see, but it'll also contain a full review site and library, lovingly made by my boyfriend.
It's intended to become a full resource and review site, much more than RMS.
SO. It is currently a work in progress, but people are welcome to come and chat/suggest things (Please suggest things. I have lots of epic ideas, but would like others ideas, regarding any part of it, even in the future. =) ).
So, bare with us for a while, but you are all welcome, no matter of your yC-troll-metre.
[advertisement]
TLDR;We accepted yC's multiple challanges. (Go make your own, I'm glad you're not admin Green, I'm glad you're not eA admin Gorthex, here's a site go make your own).
Forum is forun here: [advertisement]
Temp domain and site name.
Work in progress (ignore the theme)
Will become a full review and database site in time.
Leave us suggestions.
Green this is not a forum where you can advertise another database site or voting site or what not either in the forum or in pm / shout box. You should have know the rules since you linked to the global rules multiple times. I hope you know otherwise I will have to warn you.
Lol baka -.- seems like its about time for the start up of a new RMS to begin
Fan you really do care about karma? it's not something I added to the forum and I am thinking it should be removed if it does anything to affect us at all.
Quote from: yC on Jul 10, 2010, 10:36 PM
Green this is not a forum where you can advertise another database site or voting site or what not either in the forum or in pm / shout box. You should have know the rules since you linked to the global rules multiple times. I hope you know otherwise I will have to warn you.
Am I allowed to put it in my signature, yC? Serenity was allowed to have his Rune Midgard resource site in his. =(
I have to make a lot of references for this post just to bring up things to mind.
First off, what Green said was right--we aren't making you choose the people from our list. It's just that you couldn't find more than 1 potential user, so we tried to help out (since you did ask Aurora about the people in the application thread). We just found the more suitable ones who contributed a lot and stayed on RMS forums a lot longer. Well, this is a suggestion thread after all as well. I believe DarkDevine would be a good moderator if you do pick him, and he does meet the requirements (he's not going to be a GM/Admin as he said, just a website designer). I want to abide by your application requirement, so I cannot be a candidate as I own a server. As for looking at such posts, it's part of the job requirement. Staff members have to learn to deal with them or else there's no point in having a staff for moderating o-o. I don't mind such threads since I've moderated many forums before with such situations. Moderating takes time (part of the job description), so those who complain about "wasting" time reading threads would not be well-suited for the job at all. That is why we think a new staff member is needed. Not enough people spending enough time moderating everything happening here. It's a big forum, so the staff size should be appropriate (or at least available staff members seeing how more than half the staff is in-active). I also think the application thread in the Announcements section probably needs to be updated in terms of requirements (like their current availability and how long they would stay with RMS forum for).
We know you are busy, but having banned the people because of that thread... (with no specific reasons provided as to what post) and not all the others who deserve a ban is the reason why we are bringing up these points. Also, it's just that we don't see your rules being followed completely by the staff (including the occasional personal attacks that some people mentioned), so that is another part of the chaos being created.
I also want to know... what happens if Admins are banned and cannot reply to the threads in the Rant section? Hm, that would be troublesome ><.
Thank you for your time once again. It is at least good to know you are spending some time here in this thread. We would like your consideration in some of our suggestions and also put in the reasons for the bans in the other thread. It may be also because of that thread not being well-moderated enough that it escalated to this kind of situation and resulted in all the bans going around. I've been asking for a thread lock for good reasons there, and things got complicated. Then, I could not help but voice what I think after what people posted (right after my post for a lock). It's just too sudden to have the "specific" changes to the forum--really "bad" timing once again. Same with the unjust bans. I know how difficult this have been for you. It has taken a lot of your time and our time to discuss all of this. We just want more and better answers to your actions. They're (the actions) seriously driving apart the community, especially with the veterans who answer server threads here.
Additional:
Ah, so many replies during the time I was typing. As for the karma thing, it would be better to remove the negative karma signs but keep the positive one (there is a mod for it now). It seems as if people are judged by the "redness" of the karma bars. That is not the fault of the staff, but that would be another good change to the forum. Same with the considerable graphical changes to the forum.
(Added) Also, I believe Green should be able to put it in her signature as all the other people who have advertised things in their own signatures.
Green, if you think action like this http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/soap-opera//phoenixro-invaders/0/ is wrong. What you are going to do isn't any better. I don't think Serenity have anything to do with you. His site wasn't called a RMS 2.0 project was it? His forum wasn't like a section to section clone from here was it? In fact I think Serenity's was more of an extension of Usako's project. I am screaming steal no matter what you are going to say to justify it.
Did I said I am not hiring new staff? How can this be read as I am NOT HIRING ? I said few times I WILL CONSIDER and prefer to do it privately while consulting my staff. I will take into account the list given here. I also said I need application from Yukino or anyone who wish to be considered. What more do you want me to say?
It's good that you stated it clearly now XD. I just wanted to know if what we said are being considered, and you said it is (especially the list), so thank you for that. I posted my essay because I couldn't answer for the times before, and I wanted to summarize what we all wanted to say in the past few posts. As for other things to be said, we just want to know the specific ban reasons for the specific posts that they are assigned to. That's the other point of my suggestion thread. Thanks for your time.
Quote from: yC on Jul 10, 2010, 11:03 PMI am screaming steal no matter what you are going to say to justify it.
You told them to do it, and I quote:
QuoteMay I suggest you this way --> http://www.simplemachines.org/ create your own forum and hire your own people.
You might say that they *stole* everything, but it was your own idea!
Ok, @ontopic:
Glad to know that you're taking the applications into consideration (:
I am sure I didn't tell anybody to steal or advertise it here =/ where do you see it is allowed?
Yukino, the registration agreement (i liked to you in previous replies) give the power to ban people. We can exercise it as it applies. There were no ONE specific post that lead to the ban for those that were banned under the registration agreement. It was a combination of posts, previous behavior, previous warnings/temp bans that shown these people are not suited to be in this forum anymore. Or rather, not welcomed anymore. Excluding Gorthex, reason for his ban was given previously.
I mean, how many chances do you want us to give until we are completely hopeless on those people ...
Yes you might see older people get banned while newer one might not. Because the older people has been here for so long they keep going out of lines and never change. The new people should deserve at least the same amount of chances given to old people before they get the same treatment.
Oh, my bad. You didn't tell them to *steal*, that's right lol.
Nevermind then.
Well, it's just the timing of the banning is where we see the unfairness comes from. Most of the bans came after that thread, so we believed that it was because of people voicing their opinions that they were banned. It's just really unjust in our eyes. If the bans were at other times and the such, we would have never escalated to this level (though people would still have complained). If the people are no welcomed anymore, there's nothing more we can say I guess, but it's still unfair in our eyes. As for the chances, I would say more. For the people who never got moderated/warned, even more so. But that's how I feel (because of all that they contributed in good ways), but it's up to you in the end since you didn't really ban them for specific posts... you banned them because of everything up to that point (the thread in the General Chit Chat section). It's really a question of fairness and the question of "the community will never be the same again--less help provided and less activity on the forum". At this point, there's nothing more to be said as people are creating something of their own. We'll just have to see if the actions partaken are good choices.
Lol, Tom~, sarcasm XD.
Well, they should be able to advertise in their signatures about the new website if they changed the naming, right? Is there a rule on advertising in your signature here...? Couldn't find any unless someone can direct me to one.
There's a rule about referral sites I think.
Oh, do you have a link to it? I might have skimmed and missed it somewhere.
The global rule covers every part of the forum including pm/sig/shout box etc, it was stated on it. If it's a competitor to our service, it could be considered as a commercial advertisement. I don't have that big of a heart to offer help to competitors. In fact I am ip banned there, my proxy is banned there and I wonder how someone got my ip in a legit way. If I am not allowed there I think it pretty much tells me it is a service that don't want me to see. I see it VERY CHEAP of the site to take advantage of me while banning me.
http://img441.imageshack.us/f/bannedv.jpg/
If I am told to GTFO of their site, it's not fair this site has a link in my forum. This site sure does not deserve my site's linking to it in return. It's not nice if I accidentally clicked on the link and get hurt by seeing I am not welcomed. At least Serenity's didn't tell me to GTFO. Too late now.
I like how the url is blacked out.
Well, if you consider it as a commercial advertisement, I guess that's that.
As for the ban, I guess they can't advertise in their signature here then. I see the unfairness in that if they do ><. I hope it didn't result in that, but it's up to them as well.
Well, we'll see how RMS turns out now in the near future.
Tom~ applied now =D. I think the url is blacked out because she didn't want to advertise Chosen RO's domain I guess.
We banned you after you removed the link here, yC.
And after you tried to get in again via various proxies, more than 6 times?
Ban evading much?
Also, your IP was easy. Your IP is linked to the RMS and Animeseed domains.
Shove it into Google and it'll show up. And we didn't that THAT many guests.
Also, how is it you managed to ACCIDENTLY CLICK on it with both your real IP AND your proxied IPs, like you state yourself?
QuoteIn fact I am ip banned there, my proxy is banned there
Oh dear, now this is getting complicated. I'll just step out of this now until later.
For any moderators, I don't mind about this off-topic conversation. I'll let Green and yC talk it out I guess.
It is sort of linked to the suggestions above anyways.
No no no that's wrong Green. The moment you shown the link, I go to it. It's a 403 error page. Then I go to chxxxxxx.xxx, same thing. Pretty sure it was my IP banned on the .htaccess first. If you are not the one running the webserver there, don't assume you know everything.
Do you think I host the site at home? The IP linked to animseed is a proxy. Otherwise why do I have to use a proxy (or go thru my server) to go to your site, if my home IP was not banned initially. My home IP was on the .htaccess ban list before the proxy was banned on the forum giving that message. If I got to the site without a proxy I get this:
http://img690.imageshack.us/i/banned403.jpg/
So that's a double ban? and it doesn't work because there are plenty of proxy out there. Just like how poeple take advantage of proxy to browse in my forum when they are IP banned. You will get used to it.
Quote from: Green on Jul 11, 2010, 12:09 AM
We banned you .. bleh bleh don't care
In all fairness, I believe you deserve a ban here. You refer that place as "we" and that you are trying to advertise it here. While that place bans me. It make a lot of sense that you should be banned here. I definitely didn't violate a rule in your forum since I didn't even sign up. If you are not doing by your rule I am afraid I have to treat you the same way you treated me. Actually you admitted you banned me in your forum. It's only fair if you are banned here in return.
~*~Message from Gorthex~*~
-If it's a competitor to our service, it could be considered as a commercial advertisement.
How is it commercial if we aren't making money on it? We aren't selling ads, and we don't rely on people to buy adspace so we can live our lives. Quit trying to attribute it to something else.
-It's not nice if I accidentally clicked on the link and get hurt by seeing I am not welcomed.
Really? Accidentally? Oh come ON.
Let's just prove THAT one wrong by your other statement.
-In fact I am IP banned there, my proxy is banned there and I wonder how someone got my ip in a legit way.
So it 'WASN'T' an accident.
Your IP address isn't hidden yC. You tried to join our site as a guest, and you were banned. You tried to join our site via proxy, and were banned.
-If I am not allowed there I think it pretty much tells me it is a service that don't want me to see.
It means you are not welcome in our community. Plain and simple.
You can't follow forum rules, yours or any others, and have absolute no disregard for anyone else's opinion or posts. In addition, you've tried to make justifications for your actions here on RMS.
We're not satisfied with your actions, and because of that, we do not want you on our website.
We're a starting a website and we don't need to deal withharassment of "they're copying me!" accusations because we have better things to do, like make our site better than yours.
-I see it VERY CHEAP of the site to take advantage of me while banning me.
And I think it's VERY CHEAP for you to try to insult me while I'm IP banned.
But that's what WE think and no one cares about we we think.
-So that's a double ban? and it doesn't work because there are plenty of proxy out there. Just like how poeple take advantage of proxy to browse in my forum when they are IP banned. You will get used to it.
Then get used to it.
If your site truly is "better", then why are you even worried about it?
Get over it.
Gorthex simply returned the favour.
You set the standard with him here, he followed it.
He never broke any rules or was warned here, either.
Pretty sure Gorthex didn't explain this http://img690.imageshack.us/i/banned403.jpg/
If the first time I go to the site I get that, it tells me something. How can you ban me on my first time visit? You know my IP beforehand and in what way is worth the discussion.
~*~Gorthex reply~*~
Sucks when things you're trying to point out aren't addressed huh?
Oh, and prove you didn't visit the site before we IP banned your homekthx.
I don't expect an answer, the answer isn't going to be good for him.
Too much drama here, suggestion were answered.
I will consider those that apply and see who fits to be staff and at which sections.
Graphic change, will only consider after staff assigning is done.
Karma system disabled.
Thank you for the recommended candidates. Locking so I can get a night of good sleep.