Project Return to Morroc shutting down

2k2 · Dec 10, 2023, 10:46 AM

Weird and out of nowhere, and judging the guy's past (?) actions and behavior, the doxxing (if even it's even real) may or may not be related to the RO community.

yC · Dec 10, 2023, 11:21 AM

Sorry to hear that ... also sorry for the trouble RO players may have caused. What happens in RO stays in RO please, what is the point of harassing someone in real life over some internet stuff.

Metan · Dec 10, 2023, 11:22 AM

I did not have enough time to actually play RtM, but a friend of mine did. According to him, it was bound to happen ever since Ornstein accepted a certain brazilian payment method called PIX, which, in order to confirm that you are indeed transferring money to the right person, shows the recipient's full name and a couple digits of their SSN-equivalent identity card. He suspects -- and I think it's a plausible hypothesis -- that some people in that Maid Cafe group exploited all that info to find social media profiles, official documents, etc. So it appears to be a legitimate case of doxxing.

RIP, I'd considered RtM in the future because it seemed like a really interesting project. We really can't have nice things; this s*** community deserves nothing. I hope nothing bad happens to Orn as a result of this doxxing. Server admins everywhere should be wary of that guild and their members.

ADM Ornstein · Dec 10, 2023, 11:33 AM

Hello There.

Yes, PRM is closing.

To bring some minor light, It was as abrupt for me as it was for everyone else. And I had to make a choice, and my family is a priority.

The group who did it , did it "for fun", not for direct harm...but that's today. You never know.

It was not due to PIX or anything, the trail "started" on a FF14 battle damage log, which went into steam playtime, and ended with a person scheduling an appointment with my wife's job, for the luz.

While for obvious reasons I cant provide the details, I wanna drop a special thanks for everyone who supported and still support me on this , and wish the best for the actual good players and staff around.

I put over 5k hours of work in PRM total. it was not easy and people know I actually put my heart into it...but family comes first. While I can't say I wasted 2 years of my life in this...its very, very disheartening.

Take care of yourselves out there.

Metan · Dec 10, 2023, 12:55 PM

Quote from: admornstein on Dec 10, 2023, 11:33 AMIt was not due to PIX or anything, the trail "started" on a FF14 battle damage log, which went into steam playtime, and ended with a person scheduling an appointment with my wife's job, for the luz.

You mean that "Activity" page on Steam? Bunch of freaks, going this far for a "joke."

Best of luck to you, I hope they get their fair share. Joke or not, there are lines you shouldn't cross and they have effectively disrupted your project.

2k2 · Dec 10, 2023, 03:26 PM

Quote from: Metan on Dec 10, 2023, 11:22 AM[...] Server admins everywhere should be wary of that guild and their members.

Not just RO, but the entire MMO community as a whole became extremely elitist, toxic and turned to sh*t around 13~15 years ago. While we're all faulty for this, server owners/admins are primarily the ones responsible for all this sh*t to the community for not doing anything against it/allowing repeated-offenders or known toxic, doxxing, rmting or criminal groups to freely pla~~gue~~y any server they want. Play with fire and you may (YOU WILL) end up burned.

Values have been f*cked for a while now. Server owners/admins prioritize numbers over everything else, including said antagonistic behavior, even if it means they're passing on a bigger number because of this choice. Biggest example of this is the now defunct Midgard Tales, its staff choices from before the server launch and all the warnings (and chances) they had from the beginning.

Quote from: yC on Dec 10, 2023, 11:21 AM[...] What happens in RO stays in RO please, what is the point of harassing someone in real life over some internet stuff.

Just lowlife/neckbeard things. Being a loser in-game and irl is simply not enough for them. They must lower the level to sh*t by doing this kind of stuff, all while server owners/admins give them a pass to keep doing it repeatedly without punishments.

Gulielmus · Dec 10, 2023, 05:27 PM

I always loved the idea of people experimenting with the game and doing something more different.
It's a shame that the entire project just had to cease to exist because of this dark reason that happened.

ForgotMyOldAccount · Dec 10, 2023, 05:57 PM

Really a shame. The bullies are everywhere sadly, even here on RMS. You see people getting shredded and doxxed and ripped to pieces for just attempting to make a decent server. It really highlights how needlessly toxic the community has become.

@ornstein I may not have played your server but I always respected it for the vast amount of customization done. Editing source code and making new content from scratch isn't easy. I hope you and your wife can keep happy and safe.

2k2 · Dec 10, 2023, 07:35 PM

Quote from: Gulielmus on Dec 10, 2023, 05:27 PMIt's a shame that the entire project just had to cease to exist because of this dark reason that happened.

Not entirely gone. Player's data and progress may be forever gone as he's said at least a couple times now that he has no intentions to ever relaunch the server, but as for the game and code, it's NOT gone:

So expect it (or more or less the same) to return in some kind or shape in the future.

@EDIT

Not a bad thing the server is gone with a chance of returning under a new leadership. The server's future has always had a big question mark and its growth would always be affected due to the main guy's history and way of handling things (shown over the months by many different people here on RMS and Reddit), so see this as something really good out of a bad thing.

Gulielmus · Dec 10, 2023, 07:59 PM

Quote from: 2k2 on Dec 10, 2023, 07:35 PMNot entirely gone. Player's data and progress may be forever gone as he's said at least a couple times now that he has no intentions to ever relaunch the server, but as for the game and code, it's NOT gone:

So expect it (or more or less the same) to return in some kind or shape in the future.

@EDIT

Not a bad thing the server is gone with a chance of returning under a new leadership. The server's future has always had a big question mark and its growth would always be affected due to the main guy's history and way of handling things (shown over the months by many different people here on RMS and Reddit), so see this as something really good out of a bad thing.

It would be an interesting turn of events to have it on Open Source, the message from Orn says he needs to think about it so I'll respect his choice in the end.

My point is: Private servers have a lot of devs that are really well on their expertise, we came a long road from the firsts servers I played in 2003.

2k2 · Dec 10, 2023, 08:33 PM

Quote from: Gulielmus on Dec 10, 2023, 07:59 PMMy point is: Private servers have a lot of devs that are really well on their expertise, we came a long road from the firsts servers I played in 2003.

Personally not a fan of big reworks and new classes/skills etc. I think the base game (pre-renewal) is mostly fine as is, balance-wise, needing only some rebalance/fix on neglected or bugged skills and some rebalance to a few classes, mechanics or systems.

Starting with porting and appropriately balancing renewal content to pre-renewal would create content for the next 10+ years, and then create new/custom content towards match-making system for instances, interactive raids/bossfights, world events and maybe even try to resurrect PvP in this game in some way, perhaps something involving the long-forgotten Guild Dungeons which was peak PvP content back in the day.

Respect to devs deviating from the base game and applying their own vision in their projetcs, despite most of the times resulting in cheap/tacky, broken/unbalanced and weird content.

Orange · Dec 10, 2023, 09:22 PM

As far back as 2010 I remember databases being used to try and hack peoples emails, doxing, threats, harassment being common and so on. It has only gone downhill from there unfortunately.

I was impressed by the work put into this server, I'm a forever 99/70 traditional RO servers guy but it still caught my interest.

Whether it's doxxing and your safety or just stress, real life is more important than a private server. They all close eventually, sadly this one didn't get a fair run.

Kaleidor · Dec 10, 2023, 09:40 PM

Starting RTM two days ago and had been no-lifeing it. Really sad to see how a group of people can ruin a server just because they wanted attention

Xellie · Dec 11, 2023, 03:30 AM

Quote from: 2k2 on Dec 10, 2023, 03:26 PMNot just RO, but the entire MMO community as a whole became extremely elitist, toxic and turned to sh*t around 13~15 years ago. While we're all faulty for this, server owners/admins are primarily the ones responsible for all this sh*t to the community for not doing anything against it/allowing repeated-offenders or known toxic, doxxing, rmting or criminal groups to freely pla~~gue~~y any server they want. Play with fire and you may (YOU WILL) end up burned.

I've been saying this for a long time. It's seen on many servers over and over. If you play with pigs expect to get mud on you.

2k2 · Dec 11, 2023, 07:15 AM

Quote from: Xellie on Dec 11, 2023, 03:30 AMI've been saying this for a long time. It's seen on many servers over and over. If you play with pigs expect to get mud on you.

Yup. I remember vividly when and how the MMO community turned to sh*t.

Been off of RO for a while now exactly because I refuse to be around said pigs or feed servers/give a chance to admins that are okay with toxicity running rampant on their servers, becoming a sh*t house.