WEBSITE: https://midgardlegends.com/en/DISCORD INVITE LINK: https://discord.com/invite/Uw5bV28mT2So yeah, I believe most people here are aware of this server since early this week a thread on reddit was made and got a huge traction before turning into a sh*tshow due to a lot of false information, claims and previous histories.
The server launched 2 days ago in a pretty laughable state, filled with bugs and oversights where one specific guild knew about the bugs and planned everything to get a big leap against everybody else (such as the
Monster Hunt quests giving 10x the intended experience, something they knew from the Open Beta Test they participated yet didn't reported on, and then abused it on the launched server in order to reach level 90+ while everybody else was less than 60).
The server was nowhere close to be in a good enough state to be launched, but it was regardless, and one of the major oversights was how overtuned and broken Vanilmirth homunculus is, since in this server their stat growth is guaranteed to be the highest possible, making Vanilmirths gain +3 to ALL STATS per level.
(https://i.imgur.com/AchBFVD.png)
This is the screenshot of a
Level 57 Vanilmirth.
(https://i.imgur.com/m3DDPE7.png)
p2w aka
iro scrubs guild abusing unintended mechanics/bugs.
A low level Vanilmirth soloing endgame maps, and people posted a lot of on discord, including screenshots and videos of Vanilmirths soloing MVPs, parties (in open world pvp) and even the custom Raids this server has.
Not the only problem though, there are more utterly broken "balance" changes that's been bugging the community, another example being the
Holy Cross Crusader skill getting ultra buffed to the point of becoming stronger than most other skills in the game,
easily able to hit for 7k+ on 75 Crusader with NPC Two-handed Spear on any/most monsters, up to roughly double on high Undead/Shadow mobs.
TO SUMMARIZE: the server is a joke and should have been held for months still, in order to address all the problems and review most of its balancing oversights. Also people aggressively warned the server's staff about the presence of a very shady guild (addressed on the second part of this post) in the server and how they were going to abuse major bugs and how the said guild would preventing A LOT of people from joining the server, yet they ignored all that and paid the heavy price.
PAST OF THIS SERVER'S STAFF AND THE ALLEGED CORRUPTIONS[ CLICK HERE ] (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/17a3kt1/new_lowrate_server_3_years_in_development/) to read the first and original Reddit thread of this server's announcement, how they claimed a lot of false informations just to cross path with people that could confirm their bullsh*t.
Tldr: They were making false claims about having "10+ years experience former OriginsRO GMs" in their staff, when some of the top GMs of Origins discredited them on the thread and revealed information about the true GM and what he did while working with Origins: he was a corrupt GM that helped some groups on Origins and got kicked from the staff soon after getting exposed. The original thread message was deleted but [ CLICK HERE ] (https://www.reddit.com/user/luckyblackat/comments/17a3buv/a/) read this on the profile of
u/luckyblackcat as they kept a copy there.
The [ NEW THREAD ] (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/17axcjm/re_new_lowrate_server_3_years_in_development/) posted the day after the first one was deleted. In both threads you can see lots of people bringing up the presence of a very well-known and despised group within our community and how that is a very negative thing in the server, enough to dissuade a lot of players and other guilds from playing.
The guild in question is
p2w (also known as
iro scrubs), probably more remembered by their antics on
OathRO and
Payon Stories, led by
Reborn and
Aaron, two known corrupt trolls and RMTers. Unnecessary to go into specifics of what this guild did/does in previous servers since you can find a lot of threads here on RateMyServer and on Reddit about what they have done/do and why you should avoid them (and any server they play on) like the plague.
They're known for only playing on Low-rate servers, as it's where they can shine since they're the type of players to play for over 18h/day, also for having demand for zeny, since the majority (all?) of their members live off RO RMT, since they don't have a regular job. They have bought/involved server's admins into their RMT schemes in multiple servers they stepped in, most notably in
OathRO and allegedly on
Payon Stories as well, since both leaders of this guild admitted and showed multiple evidences of it on some Discord servers.
After what was brought up and discussed today, many people also started making claims and bringing up rumours about alleged corruption of this (Midgard Legends) server's staff and the possibility of ties with
p2w guild and why they were allowed to play and abuse the server with no punishment.
[GM]Yuuf, alongside with
[GM]Peach (which probably is one of the other 4 or 5 GMs on Midgard Legends) are known corrupt GMs of a previous big brazillian server named
Ragna4th where they both were kicked from their position after getting exposed for helping their guild/group abuse and exploit bugs unknown to the community (other than the GMs themselves from their test server), giving them a massive advantage over any other group.
This
[GM]Peach from Ragna4th server, as well as some in her group (
and possibly current Midgard Legends [GM]Yuuf) are members of
p2w guild and likely the reason why this guild was allowed to play on this server despite the staff being warned and knowing a huge number of people confirmed they wouldn't be playing the server is this guild is there.
Some Discord users also brought up about
[ADM]Loki (more known as
[GM]Cronwell on
OriginsRO, where he was exposed as corrupt and kicked from the team) has a very close relationship to
p2w guild and their leaders, and how this server might be just another scandal like
OathRO/Payon Stories RMT scheme, where the server's ADM and this guild are directly involved in the creation of the server.
If you don't know about this guild, how bad they are, why they are despised by the community, I suggest you to join (https://discord.com/invite/Uw5bV28mT2) the Discord and read the following specific channels:
- The WIPE Vote Forum Thread getting mobbed and trashed by p2w members (https://discord.com/channels/1124544485746016366/1165639206194925578). Read the entire thing. WARNING: over 2k messages.
- Most of the Wipe Vote thread discussion was moved to this channel after the staff put a Slowmode timer (https://discord.com/channels/1124544485746016366/1130248826524024902).
- Portuguese/Brazillian channel (translate at your own) where some pretty baffling rumours, accusations and evidences popped up, as well as the past of this server's staff and their corrupt nature (https://discord.com/channels/1124544485746016366/1130241903246454915).
The information here is minimal and merely a pinch of all the salt of this server's situation. The reality is MUCH WORSE. Tread that Warzone of a Discord Server carefully, you might end up getting cancer.
The server staff just made an official announcement that the Server Wipe is happening (https://discord.com/channels/1124544485746016366/1165756076382240899) and will be reopening
next Friday (27th October), which with the amount of bugs and balance issues the server has, it
is doomed be another rushed disaster.
THE SERVER IS A JOKE AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED AT ALL COSTS, AS WELL AS ANY OTHER SERVER WHERE P2W/IRO SCRUBS/REBORN/AARON'S GUILD IS PLAYING.
Had to create the account to say, based on your last posts/topics you need to seek mental health advice... speaking as if you were god and knew everything, a lot of speculations, linking discord channels, and wanting to be the defender of the oppressed, just go touch some grass bro.
and if you're over 30, yikes.
edit: you're easily refuted just at the beginning, the OBT didn't have multi-lvl enabled so, they put it in live and it was not checked, no one on the beta could test and 'save the info', and the rest is just trash talk... meh, 0/10 effort, bye.
It's true that the GM-Circle is all familiar faces behind the scene. Whether we notice or not is another story.
I have never heard of beta tester keeping bugs to themselves so they could use them to get ahead of the race. If that's true, it's like the initial players don't want the server to success from the start. Usually a group of players decide to settle in a server and want more players to come to it, this is not working the right way ...
Quote from: yC on Oct 22, 2023, 07:23 PMIt's true that the GM-Circle is all familiar faces behind the scene.
look I'll strait up say it, delete/edit my comment if 'spreading rumors' isnt allowed on this forum
The admins have been in the ragnarok online scene for a long time.
Most people that exploited bugs or are in certain guilds have been in the ragnarok online scene for a long time.
The server was set up FOR THEM. The server exists solely to make money via RMT for everyone involved. I'll note that this is a critical failure of the *server admins* and even if no guilds abused anything the server would have played out the same way. The admins would find a different guild or do it themselves.
Quote from: yC on Oct 22, 2023, 07:23 PMIt's true that the GM-Circle is all familiar faces behind the scene. Whether we notice or not is another story.
I have never heard of beta tester keeping bugs to themselves so they could use them to get ahead of the race. If that's true, it's like the initial players don't want the server to success from the start. Usually a group of players decide to settle in a server and want more players to come to it, this is not working the right way ...
Since I wasn't involved in any way with the RO brazillian community until this server, many of the information that surfaced on that Discord today was news to me, especially regarding the corrupt GMs and recent servers I previously knew only by name.
Most old, toxic, established groups in this game only join new servers and testing phases for the potential of finding major bugs that'd rocket them ahead of competition.
p2w guild is the most blatant example of this since they have done this back in OathRO, Payon Stories and now on Midgard Legends too (and according to some people, some members of their members also did this on two recent brazillian servers named
Arkaik Online and
Ragna4th).
Multiple different players from this guild openly admitted today on Discord to have played the OBT and being aware of the bugs, where they then shared only with their guild instead of reporting to the staff.
After the official Wipe announcement, a player from this guild shared on Discord an exploit for infinite zeny (https://discord.com/channels/1124544485746016366/1165774011951751179).
Quote from: Orange on Oct 22, 2023, 07:45 PMlook I'll strait up say it, delete/edit my comment if 'spreading rumors' isnt allowed on this forum
The admins have been in the ragnarok online scene for a long time.
Most people that exploited bugs or are in certain guilds have been in the ragnarok online scene for a long time.
The server was set up FOR THEM. The server exists solely to make money via RMT for everyone involved.
It feels like this is the case, yes. Will make it even more obvious if they don't ban the group after the many bugs they exploited and members admitting to have known the bugs since OBT.
When people asked the staff to remove this guild from the server, the staff defended them by saying they couldn't just prevent them from playing for "no reason", and that they would ban them on their first mistake. Well, the mistake was made and now they have a legitimate reason to ban this entire guild under their own rules, but I don't think that's what gonna happen.
It's just two days after release and the server is already a sinking ship? lol
Thank you for bringing this up, I really appreciate it and will be avoiding this server like a plague. Anyway, could you post screenshots instead? People who are not in the server discord won't be able to see the discord link you've posted.
I will refrain from making any comments about what happened in Midgard Legends, but I will say this:
Your accusations versus p2w are not accurate. They are good people and there has been no known case of them cheating on any server ever. If I am wrong, you are very welcome to show us any proof that you have which would without a doubt proof their (p2w's) guilt. As long as nobody can bring forth such proof, I would refrain from accusing an entire guild of 479 people that they are cheaters. Just my 2 cents. /no1
Quote from: sate on Oct 22, 2023, 08:05 PMIt's just two days after release and the server is already a sinking ship? lol
Thank you for bringing this up, I really appreciate it and will be avoiding this server like a plague. Anyway, could you post screenshots instead? People who are not in the server discord won't be able to see the discord link you've posted.
My initial intention was to post screenshots, but I have done this before here on RMS and the post was deleted because I needed to blur out names to avoid witchhunting, and there would be a lot of screenshots to post since everything in the relevant Discord channels (especially regarding p2w members behavior) in the past 16 hours as of now would be worthy exposing. Not ideal, but it's easier if you really just join that Discord server, read for yourself the beginning of all of this drama and take your own conclusions.
But in short, it's the server (300+ players) calling out the cheaters/exploiters/RMTers (less than 30 players), demanding actions from the staff and a server wipe while p2w members are trash talking everyone and sh*tting through the entire Discord, calling people bad names, acting like antisocial psychos and such.
staff edit: removed off-topic comment.
I think that the bugged quest exp was intentional,
If there was just a few less people in the discord kicking up a storm there would be no wipe. You're telling me an admin spent 3 years making a server, accidently left ONE QUEST OUT OF 5 PER TIER giving 10x exp? Every single 'competitive' player knew about that and abused it then it got hotfixed 5 hours later... and then radio silence from admins for 2 days until people started bringing it up repeatedly in discord?
Intentional. If you view pretty much anything that happened on the server from the perspective of 'top players and admins have known eachother for 5+ years' everything starts to make sense.
Quote from: Orange on Oct 22, 2023, 09:22 PMI think that the bugged quest exp was intentional,
If there was just a few less people in the discord kicking up a storm there would be no wipe. You're telling me an admin spent 3 years making a server, accidently left ONE QUEST OUT OF 5 PER TIER giving 10x exp? Every single 'competitive' player knew about that and abused it then it got hotfixed 5 hours later... and then radio silence from admins for 2 days until people started bringing it up repeatedly in discord?
Intentional. If you view pretty much anything that happened on the server from the perspective of 'top players and admins have known eachother for 5+ years' everything starts to make sense.
There were "bugged" exp quests in OathRO/Payon Stories too (info was sold on RMT sites), as well as a hairband quest that could be abused for infinite zeny, which was abused by p2w. They made this public when Oathkeeper nuked the server.
I'm not familiar with RMS foruns but someone linked me to here, I made a post with some things explained.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/17egmsk/clear_some_things_out_you_are_free_to_tag_and/
"I really did not want to make another post for "advertisement" reasons as everyone in this reddit hates it, but since posts are popping I feel the right to speak out my view as well as at least defend my name here.
Let's see, first let me start from the beginning I suppose.
The server has been on a 3y development by Cyberneko, yes on his hobby/spare time.
We all meet by chance when Loki stumbled on one of his streams and the projected started to form, more people were slowly added, me included on that moment, some of know each other for years, some of us for months and some of us just meet.
Everyone works in real life and put their free time (or not soo free, most of us skipped on family and friends to be sure things could run better), soo we did not had almost any budget, the whole thing as far as I know has been banked on the pocket costs of Neko and Loki.
I find important to be open and transparent, soo I'll try to explain what we did soo far and what happened and what's going on as well as how we dealing with all of it and what we do plan to do following the launch.
We started by opening a small discord of only us and inviting friends that we knew would have an interest in trying the server, by that time we had less than 50 people on discord, during that time we already had done some changes and new suggestions for some features and balances on what Neko (Cyberneko the dev, will call him Neko along the text) had already built.
Since we planned to at some point ad the server and try to get players in we started looking into those things, first when we contacted RMS they had no ad space left, which is fine, since most features were already built we decide to set some dates as metas for finishing things and making the CBT OBT and LAUNCH, those ended up getting delayed but now it's obvious even with that we needed more time and failed, failed hard.
Back to that time tho, we recieved the info about RMS for an open spot and decided to use it and prepare it for the CBT if I remember correctly, we did, got a the first few strangers glimps on the project and did a few tests with the lil people we had, fixed what we found and moved on, by the time we got on OBT we had about 200 people on discord which grew to around 400 on by the time OBT ended, I believe we had around 120 accounts around that time, as you can see, we had less bug reports then sugestions by then, and most people that joined just build their characters and tested their damages plus some of the new content such as the mini-raids (which is to me the main reason I love the server).
It's important to notice on OBT we had increased EXP rates, soo lots of things ended up being skipped as well as Gepard Shield still not being a thing/paid, by that point we did not even a wiki and organizing info on discord was a terrible with patches getting players very confused, we had not social medias, no website nor a video, only a single RMS ad and a discord, it's also important to say not everyone was available, me for example, I'm studying to improve in life since I'm a sushiman (while happy, life is life), you can even check my post history in my language of me looking into public jobs.
By the time we finished OBT we decided to take some suggestions on a few things, one of the being multilevels, which turned into an overlook over weekly exp quest boards being overtuned, which ended up giving advantage to some folks, making people upset, and the other one, was changin the alchemist while trying to make it more interesting, and while it did, we turned it into the overlord pokemon that can destroy everything, a huge oversight and definitly our fault on both.
But about this topic in specific I do wanna point out some things, while it is still our fault I wanna share our work over it and how stuff like that happened.
I do wanna put out that we were all in such a hurry to meet deadlines and make our current players happy we skiped on some stuff like making a cash feature inside the game (store) and even a donate button/area on the website, we wanted to not disapoint people and open the server soo we focused on that... which obviously did not work.
By OBT to LAUNCH everyone was basically helping and we focused on getting some things done, for example:
- By creating the wiki to try to solve new players doubts since we just went from 50 to quadruple the size to 200 to then double the size again to 400, and info was getting messy, even for us.
- Some of us were focused on getting the trailer done, dealing with the voice actor, editting the video, making the social medias.
- A dumbass sushiman started to prep his post on reddit with all the server info and features he could imagine and list and for sure would not lead to a memefest and tons of people hating him.
- Coding and prepareing the last things reported plus new things.
- Preparing the whole website, download links, patcher.
- Final preparations such as organizing better the discord and things like getting the Gepard Shield.
Soo, anyways, what now? Well, we spent the whole time on the crammed timeline from OBT to LAUNCH working on those with almost no sleep (Yes, our mistake).
By the time the trailer got ready I had most things ready here on reddit, we lined it and posted, and we went from 400 people to currently 1.7k members, which was shocking, because you gotta remember during that time a lot people joined and left, soo we had an influx of prolly over 2.5k people, and we definitly did not met expectations at all.
The wiki had some info but had no time to be fully ready and lacked details, which lead to a lot of questions and confusion, the overwhelming flow of new players lead to soo much time spent asking and helping people, narrowing even more the available people and time (Thankfully we had some old members helping people out).
The website got barely ready for the basic needs as registering and download, wiki linked but almost nothing else.
And LAUNCH day, was here.
And oh boy, we were HEAVILY under prepared, we FAILED SOO FKNGG HARD.
Instant 500 players popped in the first map, right away problems left and right, the custom map had unfilled spaces soo mobs were spawning there locking the first zone progression, we had to allocate some people to kill those mobs soo it could keep spawning till things calmed down, with that we lost some available people, meanwhile we also had to record in case we wanted to have it saved for the future market or ourselves.
Meanwhile mirrors started getting blocked due to too many downloads, we had to deal with that, while answering peoples question on discord, with over 300 tickets about download/accounts/patcher problems and such starting to pop (I answered at least half of those while finding new problems all the time and working on hotfixes for .exe and such which I'm quite proud that we managed to at least solve most issues and give everyone a shot to play), mixed with questions, wrong tickets/trolls and bug reports in some skills/itens/numbers.
Of course we also received a ton of DDoS as expected and Neko was working on those while helping on whatever he could.
First day was hectic, we were all tired, but we KNEW this was gonna be like that, and we kept pushing, all day long, trying to solve anything popping up, we found ahead one problem and solved which was the first DC (You can check server news for it).
But we by the time we got to the exp weekly quest, it was too late and while we did fix it, some players already had used it being it intentional or not, with all the mess going we tried to do something about this but other critical bugs started happening, mixing with ddos we got server crashes that were rollbacking people and GEPARD SHIELD of all things were giving clients crashs.
We had no prep for things like this in the system and could not retrieve the information needed to deal with the quest exp problem, we tried, failed and decided to take the bullet and move on to those other big issues.
While we worked over it, we struggled more then expected to figure out both, we solved the server issue (hopefully), and struggled soo much with the Gepard Shield, the crash was giving no log info, and even contacting the Gepard Shield people lead to nowhere, soo the team was testing what could possibly be happening, we removed the shop from Prontera which was the first lead and where most reports came from, closed it and added the npc outside, crashes still happening, testing testing testing, until we finally pin pointed the problem and started working on it (which as far I know has been solved with the crash bug as well).
That's with all the team dealing with all the other things as well, and working in real life (some worked on friday/sat/sun). Soo yes, you can say we were slow, but we did try.
By the point we first listened about the alchemist omega pokemon, we were still solving the crash issue, by the time it more info about the homumculus showed up we were already wondering what could be done, deleting all homum, editting and such, but what about the gear and levels adquired from it, lots of issues, no only that but we had over 100 tickets about bug reports some smaller others bigger, soo we called it our shots at what to do, and what would be the best for everyone, and we decided to close the server, to fix everything and open on a fair grounds aka WIPE.
Soo yes, we failed here, sorry.
Right now most of the team is starting the week either in the hospital or sick or ultra tired for real life work/job, we tried our freaking best, it's ultra depressing how it turned out but we will suck it up, fix it and do what we can do to make it work properly.
We are still a bit off and checking on other options, we are aware of the potential, we always believed on it, just we grew up too much and at the wrong time, we had one paid ad and one free post and that was it, the rest was organic.
One things is for sure, we are not giving up and we are still doing what we can, if more time is needed to fix things it will be done, if another OBT would be ideal, it will be done, but we desire to make something good that you can enjoy.
For the corruption side of the story, we don't freaking get it, yes, I'm aware now that some members might have some bad background, and that's a things we have to figure out what's truth and what to do, and that's totally fair on you to keep away and be suspicious.
But, we worked our donkey off non stop, we only lost money and we did not even ask anything in return, we are not adding a cash shop nor anything till the server is decent enough, and much less corrupted or worried about money, the whole damn reason I personally was here, was the NO RMT, as I'm tired of it, makes people competitive and toxic to live off the game, and I'm done with this bs, I would rather go back to league of legends, and that's a terrifying phrase.
I'm more then open to discuss about our problems and what we can do to do better, but I ask to please not believe everything you read online, and at least hear our side before you can take your conclusion.
I also gotta remind everyone the server has been up for 3 days, s*** happens, in case you gave up I hope we can do better in the future and things work out to a point you feel we deserve a chance.
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As for myself, my post here of the launch and everyone tagging me, that's fair, we failed, I'm open to chat if you desire, really, I'm just a sushiman that enjoy all games be it old and classic or new, and usually am half decent in conversations, I'm passionate about things I play and usually like to be part of the community, therefore how I usually end up as a moderator or CM of things. Talk to me, just please be polite and have a bit of patience, I promise I'll answer with what I, personally I, know.
I'm tired and stressed out, I'm human just like you and was just trying to make a server that me and other could enjoy...
This last bit goes for the entire team... it's fine to laugh of our failure, even when most of you disapear when the server turn back on, but please do notice we "did not do nothing"."
@luckyblackat
I think you explained very well everything that happened, and as a developer myself(not any RO servers but as a profession) I can totally imagine the struggles you guys might have been through, and you have my sympathy for that.
Now, as an RO player, while in my view your post explained pretty much everything, one thing still got a sour taste on my mouth: why didn't you guys ban, or if you did, why not announcing to everyone, said problematic guilds that clearly caused a lot of damage to your server?
In my point of view, this sole action would make it so your words ring truer on everyone's ears while also completely debunking all the " RMTers and GMs are friends from the beginning" accusations.
If it was my passion project and a bunch of guys with a bad rep had screwed it over, I wouldn't think twice before applying the ban hammer. If you guys have any reasons as to why you are not doing that, it would be better to share with your community.
As an ending to this post, I really hope you guys can get over that failed launch and the server grows to be a success, while I didn't play because of time constraints I'm watching with a lot of interest from the sidelines(hell, I even created an RMS account just to answer your post) and hope I can eventually join the server when life gives me a little bit of extra time.
Wish you the best of luck
Quote from: Wiind on Oct 23, 2023, 07:23 AMNow, as an RO player, while in my view your post explained pretty much everything, one thing still got a sour taste on my mouth: why didn't you guys ban, or if you did, why not announcing to everyone, said problematic guilds that clearly caused a lot of damage to your server?
So you would ban any players that got more Exp from a quest than intended and didn't report the issue?
How would you as a player know that you got the intended amount?
Those players might have done it intentionally. Saw through "show exp" that the quest gave too much Exp, then asked for multi-leveling to be enabled and then abuse it after launch. But it's hard to proof it that they knew it was bugged.
And if you make it a bannable offense even when you cannot proof the intend, that would mean that any player who gets more Exp than he should and does not immediately report that could be banned, which I'm not sure is an environment most players would want to play on.
Quote from: Wiind on Oct 23, 2023, 07:23 AM@luckyblackat
I think you explained very well everything that happened, and as a developer myself(not any RO servers but as a profession) I can totally imagine the struggles you guys might have been through, and you have my sympathy for that.
Now, as an RO player, while in my view your post explained pretty much everything, one thing still got a sour taste on my mouth: why didn't you guys ban, or if you did, why not announcing to everyone, said problematic guilds that clearly caused a lot of damage to your server?
In my point of view, this sole action would make it so your words ring truer on everyone's ears while also completely debunking all the " RMTers and GMs are friends from the beginning" accusations.
If it was my passion project and a bunch of guys with a bad rep had screwed it over, I wouldn't think twice before applying the ban hammer. If you guys have any reasons as to why you are not doing that, it would be better to share with your community.
As an ending to this post, I really hope you guys can get over that failed launch and the server grows to be a success, while I didn't play because of time constraints I'm watching with a lot of interest from the sidelines(hell, I even created an RMS account just to answer your post) and hope I can eventually join the server when life gives me a little bit of extra time.
Wish you the best of luck
I don't know if this is how replys work here, sorry if this is wrong. Reading this font while typing is kinda hard.
Appreciate the comment, I did my reasearch on said guild reading some posts around, even before starting this project I read about it in some places, I don't know the full story or origin of it, and I have received info from other people about said guild, I usually like to have my own take on things, soo far, it seems like they are just a big group with some very dedicated/nerd players that tryhard a ton and have been called exploiters, I did hear about the RMT aspect just as well as the toxicity, which we are aware, but honestly we don't think it's fair to ban people for outside reasons without an act have being commited.
The exp quest and alchemist were mistakes on our part, where multiple people abused (even more the exp quest since it's the first thing you do), and they have been reporting other bugs just like everyone.
However I do wanna state, that if said people are found doing things like "trolling" in chat which they did get some timeouts, to more serious in game things such as bug abusing and RMT or dual/multi, they will be punished just like any other person.
Yes, if the exploits got to a point where I had to rollback my server I would ban said players. Noticing that out of 5 quests one is giving 10x exp is a bug is purely common sense, and those players decided that instead of hitting up the GMs about it, they would tell their whole guild so they could do the same, this is straight up exploiting.
And we can go beyond that, as players that clearly know the game and what they were doing, seeing a vanilmirth tanking Thor volcano(as we could see from the print screen attached on OP) and saying they weren't bug abusing is straight up misingenuous...
To put it short: it's not one player getting more exp than he should, it's multiple bug abuses with clear intent and no communication to the staff in order for it to be fixed, which caused massive repercussions to the server, on the form of the worse possible form of bad press that is a rollback 2 days in launch.
Come on man, no need to defend bug abusers, while you bring a valid point in a vacuum, the moment you analyse the whole it is clearly a different issue altogether. This is not a guy getting a little bit more exp then getting banned for it. This is a whole guild abusing multiple server breaking bugs. They knew what they were doing, and their actions should DEFINITELY have repercussions
Quote from: luckyblackat on Oct 23, 2023, 07:47 AMI don't know if this is how replys work here, sorry if this is wrong. Reading this font while typing is kinda hard.
Appreciate the comment, I did my reasearch on said guild reading some posts around, even before starting this project I read about it in some places, I don't know the full story or origin of it, and I have received info from other people about said guild, I usually like to have my own take on things, soo far, it seems like they are just a big group with some very dedicated/nerd players that tryhard a ton and have been called exploiters, I did hear about the RMT aspect just as well as the toxicity, which we are aware, but honestly we don't think it's fair to ban people for outside reasons without an act have being commited.
The exp quest and alchemist were mistakes on our part, where multiple people abused (even more the exp quest since it's the first thing you do), and they have been reporting other bugs just like everyone.
However I do wanna state, that if said people are found doing things like "trolling" in chat which they did get some timeouts, to more serious in game things such as bug abusing and RMT or dual/multi, they will be punished just like any other person.
In the last part of your message you say more serious things like bug abusing, which is exactly what they did, causing your server to wipe. While I agree that the bugs were your fault, wouldn't you say that all bugs will be the administrators fault? In that case, what is the difference exactly?
Quote from: Playtester on Oct 23, 2023, 07:35 AMSo you would ban any players that got more Exp from a quest than intended and didn't report the issue?
How would you as a player know that you got the intended amount?
Those players might have done it intentionally. Saw through "show exp" that the quest gave too much Exp, then asked for multi-leveling to be enabled and then abuse it after launch. But it's hard to proof it that they knew it was bugged.
And if you make it a bannable offense even when you cannot proof the intend, that would mean that any player who gets more Exp than he should and does not immediately report that could be banned, which I'm not sure is an environment most players would want to play on.
The players (their entire guild) have a
long history of toxicity, tying with corrupt admins, antisocial issues (including racism, homophobia, xenophobia etc),
RMT and worst:
doxxing. They don't hide or deny any of this, and in fact, this has been talked and exposed extensively by the community in many different places such as Reddit, RateMyServer, YouTube and Twitch. A quick search on either RMS or Reddit and you will find a lot of sh*t about this guild/group and their leaders.
Doesn't help the leader himself loves to brag about his exploits and will always admit and show all the evidences of corruption whenever a server they were on exploded.
Nobody asked the staff to ban them for the sole exp abuse, people were asking the staff to preemptively ban them because of their history of RMTing and causing chaos in every server they play on.
To Luckyblackcat:
Like Wiind questioned, why is it so hard for the staff to get rid of this group, since it's the only chance the server has to thrive? There are massive rumours about
[ADM]Loki being close friends with this guild, they admitted to purposely plan, prepare and abuse bugs, THEY WILL be RMTing, and the staff had said in multiple occasions they wouldn't deal with them unless they have done something in their server, but not the thing has been done, why are they still in your Discord and still going to be playing?
Eh, as I wrote my post, 3 new posts were submitted.
@Luckyblackcat
How can you say that you "couldn't find anything against said guild" when there are probably over 20 posts over the years about this guild and their leaders here on RMS and Reddit alone? Hell, Reborn himself admitted and showed multiple evidences (in screenshots) of his corruption ties with Oathkeeper (OathRO ADM) and how most of their staff was backing up their RMT scheme, and later he mocked Payon Stories server and how they (p2w) were going to continue their RMT on that server as well.
Please don't make bullsh*t excuses to protect them. Own that the server was made for them like a hell lot of people are claiming on RMS and Reddit and move on, but don't treat us like stupid children.
Wait, there is second page lmao, I feel soo silly.
Quote from: 2k2 on Oct 23, 2023, 07:57 AM(including racism, homophobia, xenophobia etc) and worst: RMT.
certified gamer right here
Quote from: Orange on Oct 23, 2023, 08:23 AMcertified gamer right here
Oops. That sounded really bad haha. /heh
Fixed it, I meant the worst they have done is Doxxing, as some of their members were doing to Payon Stories players during the "PvM Council" drama.
I just, feel it's right to leave this here as well... from reddit
"Apologies if I answered poorly anyone here, I tried to correct what I could/saw, I understand now it's entirelly on your right to flame and be suspicious, and even if we put effort and are being honest, there is no reason for you to believe or be happy with the current product/server/situation, I acted on emotion based on my efforts frustration, and that's on me, you are not my friend and life is like that, hope yall have a good day."
Do hope yall have a good day, and that the situation gets solved in the long run, I think I'm out of emotional and energy juice myself, I mean, the reddit answer explains how I feel I suppose, I do wanna state that... effort was put into it, lots
Welp, sad story.
Don't be too hard on yourself dude.
But goes ultra hard on bug abusers, corruption, RMT, and nepotism.
Goes ultra hard to choose the right person in charge.
The enemy of low-rate PS is not lack of work ethic, but lack of professional-decisive decision-making.
Cheers.
Lol. It's like I have gone back a decade, reading all of this. Some things and some red flags just don't change. A pity for those who wasted their time on this.
They removed their server from RMS since it has so many bad reviews hahahah what a joke
Most of their re-balancing and new ideas are really bad and show they have very little experience playing this game, not to say how some of this Ranking perks are super powerful while others being more than useless, for example Wizard's 30% chance to not consume Blue Gemstone on Safety Wall, while
Wizard Link completely removes any Gemstone catalyst requirement from all of Mage/Wizard skills (bar Ganbantein) and is already used in all competitive scenarios, wether it is pvp or pvm.
Shameless server. On
their first reddit post they were already spreading lies and trying to boost their credibility by using successful servers names:
(https://i.imgur.com/O7RO23P.png)
You can read the whole original text here (https://www.reddit.com/user/luckyblackat/comments/17a3buv/a/) as the original post was deleted (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/17a3kt1/new_lowrate_server_3_years_in_development/) from r/RagnarokOnline
Then after their claims, u/ZulfBracket (
GM Zulf from OriginsRO) questioned them about this mentioning, just to be received with a very defensive stance by u/luckyblackcat (
[CM]LuckyBlackCat from Midgard Legends)
READ THE ENTIRE COMMENT CHAIN HERE (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/17a3kt1/comment/k5aggih/) OR READ THE SCREENSHOT OF THE COMMENT CHAIN HERE (https://i.imgur.com/nO336a4.png).
(https://i.imgur.com/A9sdEZC.png)
In this screenshot, you can see the
[CM]LuckyBlackCat backtracking with their lie and trying to save face.
(https://i.imgur.com/SN3IiWf.png)
A user asks who are the "10+ years experience from OriginsRO" people they're talking about and u/luckyblackcat/[CM]LuckyBlackCat says the information is wrong, it's actually 10+ years of multiple different servers and
8+ years of Origins.
(https://i.imgur.com/YVL5beE.png)
Here u/luckyblackcat/[CM]LuckyBlackCat confirms
[ADM]Loki is GM Cronwell from OriginsRO.
(https://i.imgur.com/ii1hPb9.png)
Zulf then explain why they want no affiliation with their former GM Cronwell (current [ADM]Loki of Midgard Legends), hinting there are bad things in his history.
(https://i.imgur.com/nKHewHC.png)
Another reddit user ask for more details and then Zulf
goes to explain that GM Cronwell/[ADM]Loki was only part of OriginsRO staff for a few months, working as a Support GM, disappeared for a very long time and then suddenly returned without saying anything and proceeded to do some shady activities. Zulf confirms this GM Cronwell/[ADM]Loki didn't get any experience as an actual GM since all he did was be a Support GM for a few months.
Zulf then questions where they got the "10+ (later 8+) years experience as a OriginsRO ADM/GM".
(https://i.imgur.com/8Ui9S9i.png)
u/skyleo23, more commonly known as GM Kreuzbube from OriginsRO, also confirms GM Cronwell/[ADM]Loki has never done any dev work on Origins.
(https://i.imgur.com/wNPOWLW.png)
u/skyleo23/GM Kreuzbube goes into details about registering dates to debunk ALL of their claims about having years of experience in OriginsRO, stating that GM Cronwell/[ADM]Loki GM account had little more than 1 year, and his normal-player account had only 3~4 total years on Origins.
(https://i.imgur.com/0RnHT9c.png)
After some players from Midgard Legends tries to defend the lies, Zulf then asks if they want them to publicly post evidences of GM Cronwell/[ADM]Loki corruptions.
(https://i.imgur.com/x3vQSvP.png)
u/skyleo23/GM Kreuzbube politely explain why they don't want any affiliation with Midgard Legends/[ADM]Loki/GM Cronwell unless they want the bad things GM Cronwell/[ADM]Loki did during his time as staff in OriginsRO.
NOW ANOTHER SIDE OF THE SAME STORY: A SUPPORT TICKET & DIRECT CONVERSATION WITH [ADM]LOKI WHERE, ONCE AGAIN, MAKE LOTS OF FALSE CLAIMS AND TRY TO BOOST HIS CREDIBILITY THROUGH LIES. NOTE: It's not me on the screenshots and I have a video of the entire conversation between
tl22 and
Midgard Legends staff. I cropped the more important parts,
blatant lies and corruption with the p2w group.
(You can use Google Lens to better translate every line in the following screenshots)
(https://i.imgur.com/uvJBFLS.png)
Note: the 2 ":eyes:" reaction were from [GM]Skadi (
formerly [GM]Peach on Ragna4th and also a member of p2w for years) and [GM]Yuuf, both corrupt GMs that were kicked from previous brazillian servers
>
tl22 states how
within 10min of p2w being on discord, some of them were banned for calling staff members racist names and justifying it.
>
[ADM]Loki admits he was a GM in OathRO, that he didn't partake the staff corruption and RMT in that server and that he knows p2w guild and has loads of evidences against them ready for use. He then goes to say that he's not
Leaf,
Walterion or
Daurgi (all OathRO GMs)[/b], and that
"he was trained by Haru, Kreuzbube, Ischia and Repth" (all OriginsRO GMs) and
once again lie about having been an OriginsRO GM for 8 years.
(https://i.imgur.com/yshYn2h.png)
>
[ADM]Loki: "the moment they (p2w) break a rule, they will be instant banned, and we're keeping close eyes on them".
Reminder that at this point, 2 of their members had already been banned from discord over racist comments against one of the GMs, and next day on the server launch, they abused of multiple bugs and exploited a lot of balance oversight they discovered during the Open Beta where
some of their members (including Reborn, their leader) participated, found bugs but never reported anything.
(https://i.imgur.com/39GlPb2.png)
>
[ADM]Loki claims he was so feared/respected back as a GM in OriginsRO that an entire Russian RMT guild of 50 players left the server as soon as they read his name. /...
(https://i.imgur.com/PAiPDqO.png)
>
tl22 warns that a big future problem should be dealt with as soon as possible, before it snowballs.
>
[ADM]Loki: "you have to trust me. Nothing will snowball here and the ones who made a mistake were already banned (talking about the racist users that got banned from discord).
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLpMmAg.png)
>
[ADM]Loki says he's inside over 50 RMT groups/websites.
>
tl22 mentions about
Reborn admitting and proving he ran a RMT scheme with OathRO staff and questions how/why he allowed this RMT to happen from the beginning to the end of the server.
>
[ADM]Loki claims this was
Leaf's and
Oath(keeper)'s job, and he was just a rebalance and Bot/Macro investigator GM.
Note: Both OathRO and Payon Stories were/are plagued by a botting problem that the staff says it doesn't exist. Very suspicious he happened to be the GM that should be working on this problem.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZHnpUzS.png)
>
[ADM]Loki: "tl22, I give you my word, stay calm. I won't let them (p2w) do anything bad."
(https://i.imgur.com/9HLI0H2.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ywQSGKU.png)
>
[ADM]Loki: "there won't be warnings" (about p2w members never stopping even after mutes, warnings or bans).
>
[ADM]Loki: "this is me and Skyleo (
GM Kreuzbube from OriginsRO), I was trained by him."
>
[ADM]Loki: "everything is under control, and we proved that today" (in the banning of the racists).
(https://i.imgur.com/MMFSQCm.png)
>
[ADM]Loki: "months? we have plans to last for years".
(https://i.imgur.com/JjgCOVO.png)
>
[ADM]Loki: "they won't last a week with me here".
>
[ADM]Loki: "
I was known as GM NoMercy o OriginsRO, and it wasn't for nothing. There are no second chances or forgiveness. They make a mistake, they get banned, and I won't have any pity for them".
>[ADM]Loki: "our (player) numbers are too big for me to fear banning 20 or 30 players".
Reddit users that played servers with some of the same corrupt staff members of Midgard Legends, said
[GM]Skadi from Midgard Legends is the former [GM]Peach from Ragna4th, where she and her friend [GM]Yuuf (another GM from Midgard Legends and Ragna4th) were both kicked out from the staff after getting caught helping their group exploit major bugs.
[GM]Skadi also happens to be a p2w player for years, always playing with a priest named Peach, probably more remembered always duo-ing with a GC Crusader in Glast Heim dungeons on OathRO and Payon Stories, but also currently playing Midgard Legends.
(https://i.imgur.com/yIdLs9n.png)
Wait until Leo knows about this one.
Quotehe was trained by Haru, Kreuzbube, Ischia and Repth
Not even funny. The least they name us, the better.
Quote from: 2k2 on Oct 24, 2023, 07:04 PMwall of text
Wow, trying to ride on the backs of other successful servers is a really weird thing to do. Some might even call it CRINGE! Quite a shame as the devs seem pretty skilled on their own merit.
Quote from: Zulf on Oct 24, 2023, 07:18 PMWait until Leo knows about this one.
Not even funny. The least they name us, the better.
Right? I cringed hard reading this whole ticket, the things he was claiming and how big of a shameless liar he was being. He's trying really hard to use Origins' popularity to make his server look legit.
Quote from: ForgotMyOldAccount on Oct 24, 2023, 07:26 PMWow, trying to ride on the backs of other successful servers is a really weird thing to do. Some might even call it CRINGE! Quite a shame as the devs seem pretty skilled on their own merit.
They seem skilled by what you read on their ads or wiki, but the reality is that they ain't skilled at all, in fact, their server was so majorily bugged and exploitable they had to shut down 2 days after launch and re-do an open beta to fix all the problems.
And most of their bold ideas are very poorly balanced too, like the Ranking System this thread talks about and some borderline broken numbers on a few skills, like Holy Cross doing nuclear damage.
Quote from: 2k2 on Oct 24, 2023, 07:26 PMRight? I cringed hard reading this whole ticket, the things he was claiming and how big of a shameless liar he was being. He's trying really hard to use Origins' popularity to make his server look legit.
It's half truths. Ischia, Repth and I were helping all the new GMs (information, advice, etc); even Leo was on hiatus when he joined.
I even used the name "Vector" back then, but due to another server (an admin also called Vector), I just used my normal nickname, I wonder why he never used me as verification.
QuoteThey seem skilled by what you read on their ads or wiki
We already complained over that. Their ToS looks "dangerously" too similar to ours.
Quote from: Zulf on Oct 24, 2023, 07:33 PMWe already complained over that. Their ToS looks "dangerously" too similar to ours.
He tries really hard to use Origins name to build his own, with either lies or inflated tales, which shows a really lack of capability. It's not surprising they use bits of different servers to look more serious and professional. A good example of this is how most of their class rebalance and even the text are a direct copy of Payon Stories' class rebalance.
Instead of learning and working hard to build a name, they just try to steal other's work to claim its theirs and use established names to people empathize more. Cronwell/Loki and his staff should get a special place on the Hall of Shame (https://forum.ratemyserver.net/hall-of-shame/) section, if that's still a thing.
I know I did stuff, I acted based on the information available at the time. I apologise deeply. I talked to Leo and Zulf about this already.
Yup. Don't shoot the messenger, please. It's all right (with Lucky). The rest is on the community to decide.
Quote> [ADM]Loki admits he was a GM in OathRO, that he didn't partake the staff corruption and RMT in that server and that he knows p2w guild and has loads of evidences against them ready for use. He then goes to say that he's not Leaf, Walterion or Daurgi (all OathRO GMs)
He wasn't GM, as there were no such GMs named Walterion/Leaf/Duargi on OathRO.
He's just making up GM names or confusing with other server (weird benefit of doubt, but happens).
By the language that's been spoken in screenshot, I don't think he's Ayami as well (the only one who knew that language).
Bot/Macro investigator was(and still is) Belenor, who isn't part of MidgardLegends as well.
Although it's a nice server, Why they would go with the route of false claims and lies is strange and weird.
I really wish this p2w guild would pick on someone more their own size
Me. It's me. I'll take them all on.
Please be so kind as to call them here for me, would you dear? They've caused enough trouble for one lifetime.
Quote from: dastgir on Oct 24, 2023, 11:54 PMHe wasn't GM, as there were no such GMs named Walterion/Leaf/Duargi on OathRO.
He's just making up GM names or confusing with other server (weird benefit of doubt, but happens).
By the language that's been spoken in screenshot, I don't think he's Ayami as well (the only one who knew that language).
Bot/Macro investigator was(and still is) Belenor, who isn't part of MidgardLegends as well.
Although it's a nice server, Why they would go with the route of false claims and lies is strange and weird.
I can confirm with Dastgir that he was not an OathRO GM or ever part of the staff and that none of those people he named were ever on staff within OathRO.
The only ones who originally founded OathRO was myself, Dastgir and Oathkeeper. We were the original three, with only Oathkeeper and I planning the inception with Dastgir hired to work on the development side of server infrastructure.
I should also point out that it is curious that if Midgard Legends has been allegedly worked on for 3 years, why would Loki, in their own words according to the timeline, join in on OathRO's development as a staff member? OathRO's inception, fall, and rebranding to Payon Stories to current day hasn't even been 3 years. The time to incept OathRO and launch it was only around a month, too. So he joined during the development of their own server and decided joining another server would be a good idea, and then take data from that server after it went down to claim that they worked on it? It's very confusing and doesn't make sense.
If it's an issue of mistaken server identity, it's certainly a very strange one considering Loki is naming off specific people from specifically OathRO. It is very strange to just "oopsie" a server you (didn't) work on before while "answering" questions about specific events of a server as if you did, and creating literal fanfiction from the server's history as if they were there and and pretending that it's fact. That is a massive red flag.
Quote from: cesanz on Oct 24, 2023, 03:42 PMThey removed their server from RMS since it has so many bad reviews hahahah what a joke
Probably one of the main drivers behind the wipe /gg
yC lets server owners exploit that to purge their reviews, that hata no kokoro server did the same /hmm
Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Oct 25, 2023, 01:09 AMI can confirm with Dastgir that he was not an OathRO GM or ever part of the staff and that none of those people he named were ever on staff within OathRO.
The only ones who originally founded OathRO was myself, Dastgir and Oathkeeper. We were the original three, with only Oathkeeper and I planning the inception with Dastgir hired to work on the development side of server infrastructure.
I should also point out that it is curious that if Midgard Legends has been allegedly worked on for 3 years, why would Loki, in their own words according to the timeline, join in on OathRO's development as a staff member? OathRO's inception, fall, and rebranding to Payon Stories to current day hasn't even been 3 years. The time to incept OathRO and launch it was only around a month, too. So he joined during the development of their own server and decided joining another server would be a good idea, and then take data from that server after it went down to claim that they worked on it? It's very confusing and doesn't make sense.
If it's an issue of mistaken server identity, it's certainly a very strange one considering Loki is naming off specific people from specifically OathRO. It is very strange to just "oopsie" a server you (didn't) work on before while "answering" questions about specific events of a server as if you did, and creating literal fanfiction from the server's history as if they were there and and pretending that it's fact. That is a massive red flag.
I read somewhere (reddit I think? Probably from luckyblackcat) that the "3 years development" was as [ADM]Cyberneko's personal fun project with zero intentions of becoming a real server, until he recently met Loki/Cronwell/Rebelo on twitch chat, included him on his project and was convinced to make it a real server. Loki/Cronwell/Rebelo then brought up the rest of the team composing the staff from previous servers he was involved and luckyblackcat that was a friend of his or something.
If this story is true, that explains why the server was in such a crude state when it comes to bugs, the "3 years development" basically being another inflated number to draw interest, with the real number being whatever time they joined together to work on the server (not even months I bet? Probably weeks).
LuckyBlackCat, was it you that told this? Can you explain in your own words what exactly happened and the story of the start of this server?
There should be a rule about this. It's scummy how server owners can just exploit this.
I mean, they were already exploiting the reviews by allowing it during beta and ask the players to inflate it, then things went south, server was launched in a meme state, real reviews dropped in and they took it down to preserve their image?
Then they will reopen the/make a new server's profile with more inflated reviews?
yC, can't you bring back their original profile and reviews or permanently block them from having a profile here? They exploited the system twice already by opening reviews during beta and then taking it down as soon as loads of negative reviews dropped in.
Quote from: 2k2 on Oct 25, 2023, 05:59 AMI read somewhere (reddit I think? Probably from luckyblackcat) that the "3 years development" was as [ADM]Cyberneko's personal fun project with zero intentions of becoming a real server, until he recently met Loki/Cronwell/Rebelo on twitch chat, included him on his project and was convinced to make it a real server. Loki/Cronwell/Rebelo then brought up the rest of the team composing the staff from previous servers he was involved and luckyblackcat that was a friend of his or something.
If this story is true, that explains why the server was in such a crude state when it comes to bugs, the "3 years development" basically being another inflated number to draw interest, with the real number being whatever time they joined together to work on the server (not even months I bet? Probably weeks).
LuckyBlackCat, was it you that told this? Can you explain in your own words what exactly happened and the story of the start of this server?
That's a plausible explanation I suppose - but still doesn't explain the false claims of being staff with OathRO though and making fanfiction events of what happened as fact.
I'm not on PS staff anymore, but I'm still on the staff channel for the now-defunct OathRO so I can see all the staff chat logs and every single channel (and was also there from the very beginning) and just, yeah. What's being stated is allegations at best and simply false information at worse.
OathRO/PS already has enough rumors flying around and doesn't need anymore false ones from someone the staff, current and old, don't even know.
That's some "interesting" information about the Midgard Legends Admin team. There is more stuff as well which will probably come out soon.
But why do you keep fabricating stories about p2w and Reborn? They have NEVER been caught cheating or doing anything illegal, because they have never done it. You fell for a troll post from Reborn that he made for his own amusement (the post where he claimed to have made 50k USD from RMT on OathRO).
Why don't you go and ask the Admin team of OathRO and Payon Stories themselves? Or better yet go and send an email to gravity asking to check the logs from iRO back in the day. You won't find anything, because it was never there. Gosh!
Quote from: 2k2 on Oct 25, 2023, 06:05 AMyC, can't you bring back their original profile and reviews or permanently block them from having a profile here? They exploited the system twice already by opening reviews during beta and then taking it down as soon as loads of negative reviews dropped in.
I wouldn't call that an exploit. We can't force a server to list themselves so thus we have the option to allow server owner to take down their own listing.
The rule is: If the server is openly accepting players and the server is playable, the server can receive reviews. Beta or not is not an issue, since some servers can be on beta for months or years.
It is a double edge sword. If a new listing is re-created, the server would lose all of its reviews no matter good or bad. Take for example, https://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=detailedlistserver&serid=22416 there are 16 positive and 11 negative reviews.
Reviewers are not stupid, reviewers that would voice their opinions to warn others are far from stupid. Nature will do its work even when a server re-create a new listing.
This is a bit off-topic talking about RMS itself, I won't be answering more ruling concerns in here. But anyone can find me in the RMS discord as always.
Edit:
It turns out Gekkot is Kushiro that is bypassing a ban. So I just merged the 2 topics into one while removing all his posts.
Followed late development of the server closely for a few months, Neko and Blackcat are cool guys from what little I know.
I'd not consider Loki a nice guy tho. He's talked multiple times about how "Ornstein can't handle the server/content alone" in the past (yes, I took it personally as I was recommending ML during the beta on MY OWN DISCORD as a fun pre-re option) or blatantly lying about multiple things.
I also consider the issues they had on launch to be a serious matter that I constantly received info that is being taken as a joke and not being held accountable at all.
The fact the reddit post, the discord announcement about the wipe and other details were not made by the admins himself (and Loki was "in a hospital" on launch weekend due to sleeping too little/overworked) is something I personally disagree with.
All the information added here regarding oathRO/originsRO are major red flags too.
As a side note, I had personally to mention specifically I was on their discord as an "observer/supporter" and directly mention I was not part of staff multiple times due to "specific wording" used by their staff regarding me being "with them".
Sadly I can no longer support the project due to the way they handled the situation, the s*** of screenshots I received of Loki talking s*** about PRM publicly (dead server, can't deliver, won't stay for long some even during a livestream of one of our streamers), while I was supporting them was the last straw.
Good luck to them, some of them do have talent, but when you have 8 people in staff and ANOTHER ADMIN has to talk to players to have some patience during the "pre-wipe silence" because the staff is full MIA(were community GMs also fixing issues?), you need to review some details so things can go bad. I was even called out as "why don't you offer help" while contacting their GMs multiple times to try to provide some assistance on the case, as I don't like when any server has major issues, it hurts everyone.
I was also banned there so yeah. Time will tell how it'll unfold.
I only hope Neko and Blackcat don't get much flak from this mess, I like those guys.(Can't speak about the GM team, never talked to them much).
I think it's totally fine to delist your server on RMS when you realize you f*** up and want to restart the server in an attempt to make it better.
If someone genuinely wants to do better we should always give them a chance and rate them based on whatever they offer now rather than what they offered in the past.
(In this case it seems like it would be a lot of work to do better, but still.)
WOW, this drama never ends.
Quote from: Nova on Oct 25, 2023, 08:05 AMThat's some "interesting" information about the Midgard Legends Admin team. There is more stuff as well which will probably come out soon.
But why do you keep fabricating stories about p2w and Reborn? They have NEVER been caught cheating or doing anything illegal, because they have never done it. You fell for a troll post from Reborn that he made for his own amusement (the post where he claimed to have made 50k USD from RMT on OathRO).
Why don't you go and ask the Admin team of OathRO and Payon Stories themselves? Or better yet go and send an email to gravity asking to check the logs from iRO back in the day. You won't find anything, because it was never there. Gosh!
not gonna comment, buddy? just gonna keep bottom feeding like the band of second rate humans that you are? that's surprising
Quote from: Playtester on Oct 25, 2023, 10:27 AMI think it's totally fine to delist your server on RMS when you realize you f*** up and want to restart the server in an attempt to make it better.
If someone genuinely wants to do better we should always give them a chance and rate them based on whatever they offer now rather than what they offered in the past.
(In this case it seems like it would be a lot of work to do better, but still.)
What exactly is that supposed to mean; that, even though the worst lot have gathered on his server, the owner is just a victim and he deserves another chance? What nonsense. He wasn't forced at gunpoint to accept their company, spread lies and plagiarize stuff. If he was truly unwise to all of this and is simply trying to make amends, he would first reevaluate the people he's been working with and reflect on all that has happened, not announce a v2 right away while claiming "these won't happen again, pinky promise."
Note I'm not arguing against the current RMS listing policy, just the idea that we're dealing with a poor man who's been deceived and is now entering his redemption arc, or something to that effect.
Just to clear this up since this is becoming quite the long mess. I did all for love and have not been paid a single cent, nor ever asked for it.
I as of few days ago am not involved anymore, while I'm still playing and helping on questions or whatever, I do that in EVERY server I play, since I just like helping people. I'm back to being just a normal gamer sushiman that is studying for a publicjob/gamedev while chilling on games with friends.
About myself and the post, I believe this has already been "solved" I was excited to help and did what I could with the info I had, which to me was the truth at the time, after being confronted, I dealt with it directly on DMs and from learning about the wrong information I fixed what I could and did a new post.
About defending that guild or the server, I'm not the shot caller, nor gonna take blows over and over for others again, I put a ton of effort like the rest of the team, and that's why the results and posts on reddit/rms hurt me soo much, after taking a break to breath and think I understood that the time and effort spent does not change the fact the server had problems and people had right to be upset and complain, I do wish people were less rude, more reasonable and a bit more polite.
About said bug abuse and exploit, it was a change from OBT to LAUNCH, which was definitly a mistake from us and very silly to change during that stage and not just fix bugs, but again, we are no professionals, just a group of folks that joined together and we do mistakes like any other person, but we at least try, the quest exp was from a change on multilevelling being enabled as far as I know, since it is a weekly exp quests, many people though it was normal to give a lot of exp, when we got aware, it got fixed.
The homunculus was also our mistake when trying to change the alchemist to something more fun and with different builds, yes it was used by that guild, but also from other players, and it had been reported, we were just soo busy during that time and incompentent that it slip and stayed live for way too long without any word from our side, like a redditor said, we definitly should have published a warn/news or shut the server to fix/solve it, on top of all of this in case people are not fully aware, there were quite a lot of bugs and some being very important generating crashes, those were fixed soo far and the biggest focus of the entire team, was pin pointing this Gepard crash that had no info from logs or anything, soo we kept trying things till finding the issue.
I'm not saying said guild is innocent, or angels, or good people, they have history, I heard both sides, I don't know them, I don't know you, you don't know me, but I personally believe everyone deserves a chance to do better, and have always been a reasonable person that believes talking to people and understanding better is important, in this case I still think it was our fault, but again I'm not, nor was the judge, I know if they do abuse or do anything bad they will be banned like any other person, but they did report multiple problems and bugs like any other player soo far.
About claims of corrution, people are crazy and will say and do whatever they can to prove their point, we have not paid anyone nor being paid by anyone, the costs soo far have been the server/website host, RMS ads, and time. We got no sustain from anyone much less a guild, we paid no one to ad for us either like some crazy claims, the reddit and trailer was made by us as well, and if we had money we would have paid for testers and a bunch more of stuff. The server shop/cash is still not even made, nor available, nor on the website, you literally can't donate, you can say whatever you want, but calling the server a cashgrab is just totally bs at this point when Neko spent all his time trying to fix the server and get it into a playable state.
Finally about the staff/team, I'll point mostly MY SIDE as it's what I know, as I cleared it out before, the dev Neko has spent over 3y of his life/time developing the server, but as far as I know it was never his main job nor focus to live from it, it started when Neko meet Loki on a stream if I'm not mistaken, it began from there, I had meet Loki from playing on another server called Arkaik as we both were helping on tests for the server that was struggling during that time, I tried quite a bit to help on it as best as I could, I believed on it and though "Zell" was still a part of the team by then (And again I even helped moderate there and got burned in place of others again, heh), by that time I was frustrated with Arkaik and heard about the Neko thing, I loved the idea of a passionate server with new content/gameplay and the focus to make something actually fun and good for players with no RMT or worry about making money, I asked about it and that's about when I joined.
After some time other people joined and the thing started moving, at the start I was spending literally all my free time studying and learning basically how to make HD sprites of everything, I learned, did my own framework for it and started producing, which I still have the .grf file with all classes and mobs, I had to stop because I wanted to study for a better real life job (life > games), by that time I was very absent while they were working, the HD thing was never added because some sprites would act weird/buggy and I was absent to check on it.
Early tests, just as "proof" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMu4Rb_lO24&ab_channel=LuckyBlackat
Anyways, moving on, that's my story and my part on it mostly, I came back to help a bit on CBT/OBT but was still absent, and dropped the studies to help fully before launch and post launch as things got busy, and that's basically all my view on this whole thing.
As the acusations for [GM]Peech, I had never heard of said person, but I can confirm she is not here and from what I heard the nationality does not match anyone in the team.
About [GM]Yuuf, she is a really kind person and I still have not seen any proof about this nor anyone that has more info about said story and has shared anything or photos about it, but then again, I won't die on a stake for anyone, they are free to defend themselves.
As for [ADM]Loki, I already defended him and got destroyed by it, plus my name got put in the middle and made fun of, I'm not putting my hand on fire for anyone again, the things he says and said are there and everywhere for anyone to look and take their conclusions, I don't have proof for any of it, nor will look more into any of the sides, I'm done with this drama and getting hurt, I have been the only person trying to speak on reddit/rms and it became a heavy chore on my mind, you are free to take your stance/side and do what you will, but I'll not be the one solving those issues anymore, it's not MY battle nor name to clear and one of the reasons I left with all the stress when I only wanted to do good and help build a fun server so me and everyone could enjoy.
[ADM]Loki/GM Cronwell/Rebelo continues to make claims about being part of OathRO staff. Dastgir and Sairek, are you sure he wasn't in the staff under a different name? Anyway, hiding your identity/using different names for different projects seems suspicious if you have good intentions and have done nothing wrong.
(https://i.imgur.com/lHoNtEj.png)
>[ADM]Loki: "copied" (OathRO's rebalance) because I was part of the rebalance comission of OathRO and 90% was changed because it doesn't fit transclasses
To [ADM]Loki/GM Cronwell/Rebelo and people thinking I'm someone they know:
I'm very much still in your discord, was never banned on discord or from the game (which I didn't even create an account or played the game as I knew p2w was part of OBT and there would be major exploits on the launch) and I'm not this "remova-a" player/from this guild/whatever else that is or mean. I don't play or talk with any brazillian other than interacting with a few in the past days because of what happened. Last server I played consistently was Origins and since it went on hiatus, I played some random servers for a few hours (or a full week in case of Payon Stories).
Quote from: Metan on Oct 25, 2023, 01:23 PMWhat exactly is that supposed to mean; that, even though the worst lot have gathered on his server, the owner is just a victim and he deserves another chance? What nonsense. He wasn't forced at gunpoint to accept their company, spread lies and plagiarize stuff. If he was truly unwise to all of this and is simply trying to make amends, he would first reevaluate the people he's been working with and reflect on all that has happened, not announce a v2 right away while claiming "these won't happen again, pinky promise."
Note I'm not arguing against the current RMS listing policy, just the idea that we're dealing with a poor man who's been deceived and is now entering his redemption arc, or something to that effect.
If you ask me, it doesn't matter at all whether he was a victim or not (and for clarity: I never said that he is a victim either). Everybody should also be left the chance to do better.
And we should criticize people for what they did wrong and not for what they did right.
Quote from: 2k2 on Oct 25, 2023, 01:35 PM[ADM]Loki/GM Cronwell/Rebelo continues to make claims about being part of OathRO staff. Dastgir and Sairek, are you sure he wasn't in the staff under a different name? Anyway, hiding your identity/using different names for different projects seems suspicious if you have good intentions and have done nothing wrong.
(https://i.imgur.com/lHoNtEj.png)
>[ADM]Loki: "copied" (OathRO's rebalance) because I was part of the rebalance comission of OathRO and 90% was changed because it doesn't fit transclasses
Something is not adding up here. Was this guy a part of OathRO staff or not? I don't think it could be Oathkeeper himself as Oathkeeper, as I remember him, was American, not brazilian.
Quote from: luckyblackat on Oct 25, 2023, 01:24 PMI'm not saying said guild is innocent, [...] I know if they do abuse or do anything bad they will be banned like any other person, [...]
They did abuse and did do bad things though. And [ADM]Loki even said they "wouldn't last a week" with him there, and even said he would ban them on the first bad things they do, and they did a lot.
Quote from: luckyblackat on Oct 25, 2023, 01:24 PM[...] but they did report multiple problems and bugs like any other player soo far.
You're correct, they did report problems and bugs...
only after people called them out for the abuses
and after the server was shutdown to prepare for the wipe. It was when they reported a lot of
really dangerous bugs such as infinite zeny.
Quote from: ForgotMyOldAccount on Oct 25, 2023, 01:53 PMSomething is not adding up here. Was this guy a part of OathRO staff or not? I don't think it could be Oathkeeper himself as Oathkeeper, as I remember him, was American, not brazilian.
Not Oathkeeper as he mentioned/talked about him in the ticket screenshots. He tried to build credibility using Origins name but his claims were debunked by staff members as inflated/half-truths/lies, so perhaps he's doing the same with OathRO. If only he knew OathRO was never a good or respected server though.
Quote from: 2k2 on Oct 25, 2023, 01:58 PMThey did abuse and did do bad things though. And [ADM]Loki even said they "wouldn't last a week" with him there, and even said he would ban them on the first bad things they do, and they did a lot.
You're correct, they did report problems and bugs... only after people called them out for the abuses and after the server was shutdown to prepare for the wipe. It was when they reported a lot of really dangerous bugs such as infinite zeny.
Not Oathkeeper as he mentioned/talked about him in the ticket screenshots. He tried to build credibility using Origins name but his claims were debunked by staff members as inflated/half-truths/lies, so perhaps he's doing the same with OathRO. If only he knew OathRO was never a good or respected server though.
You are free to do, complain, and believe whatever you want, I just stated my things and I'm done with this
Quote from: 2k2 on Oct 25, 2023, 01:35 PM[ADM]Loki/GM Cronwell/Rebelo continues to make claims about being part of OathRO staff. Dastgir and Sairek, are you sure he wasn't in the staff under a different name? Anyway, hiding your identity/using different names for different projects seems suspicious if you have good intentions and have done nothing wrong.
(https://i.imgur.com/lHoNtEj.png)
>[ADM]Loki: "copied" (OathRO's rebalance) because I was part of the rebalance comission of OathRO and 90% was changed because it doesn't fit transclasses
To [ADM]Loki/GM Cronwell/Rebelo and people thinking I'm someone they know:
I'm very much still in your discord, was never banned on discord or from the game (which I didn't even create an account or played the game as I knew p2w was part of OBT and there would be major exploits on the launch) and I'm not this "remova-a" player/from this guild/whatever else that is or mean. I don't play or talk with any brazillian other than interacting with a few in the past days because of what happened. Last server I played consistently was Origins and since it went on hiatus, I played some random servers for a few hours (or a full week in case of Payon Stories).
Totally false claim. He was never part of staff(or staff discord) and there was no such role responsible for balancing skills. Sairek was the one who worked with Oath and verified most of the changes (Before the server went beta), and gradual balancing changes occured after that.
Quote from: luckyblackat on Oct 25, 2023, 02:04 PMYou are free to do, complain, and believe whatever you want, I just stated my things and I'm done with this
Yes, I am complaining just like most of your community did and I'm not "believing" anything, I'm stating a fact, things I've seen with my own eyes and even showing that your statement regarding them "getting banned if they abuse" is false.
(https://i.imgur.com/yshYn2h.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/CDD5Ye6.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZSZJeO7.png)
You're brazillian, you can read all this. Am I lying or making up any of this? [ADM]Loki did said in multiple occasions he knows them, is aware of what they do and what they likely will, how he's keeping a close eyes on them and how he would ban that group upon their first abuse/rule break. He didn't though, he lied about all his affirmations just like you are lying about it now saying "they would be banned on abusing just like any other player".
Quote from: 2k2 on Oct 25, 2023, 02:17 PMYes, I am complaining just like most of your community did and I'm not "believing" anything, I'm stating a fact, things I've seen with my own eyes and even showing that your statement regarding them "getting banned if they abuse" is false.
(https://i.imgur.com/yshYn2h.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/CDD5Ye6.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZSZJeO7.png)
You're brazillian, you can read all this. Am I lying or making up any of this? [ADM]Loki did said in multiple occasions he knows them, is aware of what they do and what they likely will, how he's keeping a close eyes on them and how he would ban that group upon their first abuse/rule break. He didn't though, he lied about all his affirmations just like you are lying about it now saying "they would be banned on abusing just like any other player".
Not defending anyone or saying anything anymore, you do you and good luck, that's what I mean, I'm on my way to be happy again and less stressed
Quote from: 2k2 on Oct 25, 2023, 01:35 PM[ADM]Loki/GM Cronwell/Rebelo continues to make claims about being part of OathRO staff. Dastgir and Sairek, are you sure he wasn't in the staff under a different name? Anyway, hiding your identity/using different names for different projects seems suspicious if you have good intentions and have done nothing wrong.
(https://i.imgur.com/lHoNtEj.png)
>[ADM]Loki: "copied" (OathRO's rebalance) because I was part of the rebalance comission of OathRO and 90% was changed because it doesn't fit transclasses
To [ADM]Loki/GM Cronwell/Rebelo and people thinking I'm someone they know:
I'm very much still in your discord, was never banned on discord or from the game (which I didn't even create an account or played the game as I knew p2w was part of OBT and there would be major exploits on the launch) and I'm not this "remova-a" player/from this guild/whatever else that is or mean. I don't play or talk with any brazillian other than interacting with a few in the past days because of what happened. Last server I played consistently was Origins and since it went on hiatus, I played some random servers for a few hours (or a full week in case of Payon Stories).
He claims he was on the "balance" team...?
There was only two people in the beta for that: Oathkeeper and myself. ...And I was literally paid to do it the vast bulk of it after Oathkeeper ran his algorithm or whatever. After beta, there wasn't a "balance" team, we just took community suggestions, and for big content, like Muspelheim, had a test server for people to test things for balance and give feedback based on that. Anything before that was bug testing before said open beta test.
From what they're saying, my best guess from what they are describing is that he was in one of the player committees (or whatever it was) or something? Which was most certainly not OathRO staff at all if that is the case. It was just basically a suggestion channel. There was a different one for WoE which wasn't as open (basically for guild leaders and a couple of their officers each), but I was never a part of that.
It was just a channel where individuals could opt in from the normal chat and could basically just discuss suggestions and either encourage or discourage certain suggestions and bring attention to any ideas that sounded good and reasonable. Most of this devolved into whether if Magma dungeon was okay or not for a good while.
This was eventually phased out and the channel deleted for the use of Discord forums instead, if my memory serves me correctly.
where can i download the server /?
ADM "Loki" will go into the hall of fame for achievements.
Works with NASA sometimes(no joke)
post-doc in bio stuff
play tester for wizards of the coast
GM in multiple servers over longer periods than they exist
balance team from a server with no balance team
multiple partners and agreements over the entire community
I'm usually pretty neutral on this stuff, but DAMN does it hurt my soul to have morally-supported the project. This guy is nuts.
(even if some of these things are true, the constant repeat of them is ...dang.)
Quote from: admornstein on Oct 26, 2023, 03:25 PMADM "Loki" will go into the hall of fame for achievements.
Works with NASA sometimes(no joke)
post-doc in bio stuff
play tester for wizards of the coast
GM in multiple servers over longer periods than they exist
balance team from a server with no balance team
multiple partners and agreements over the entire community
I'm usually pretty neutral on this stuff, but DAMN does it hurt my soul to have morally-supported the project. This guy is nuts.
(even if some of these things are true, the constant repeat of them is ...dang.)
Ouch, thought you were joking, but you weren't (https://i.imgur.com/JvFYtN3.png). Guy is a complete psycho, delusional and as we know, a compulsive liar as well.
(https://i.imgur.com/CptBNQ3.png)
Apparently there was never DDOSes, just plain stupidity from a very unprepared team. Easier, safer and sounds cooler to say you're victims of DDOS though.
(https://i.imgur.com/aS9fjmB.png)
After 3 years in development, many CBTs and one OBT,
they had probably the biggest failure of a server launch ever in the history of this game, to close within a couple days and then
run another OBT for 4 days, with the testers being the same group of bug abusers who tested the first OBT, finding many bugs while keeping it to themselves
to abuse in the main server.
Brace yourselves. We're in for another wave of awful rebalancing, big memes, lies, corruption and known bug abusers/exploiters and RMTers yet again exploiting (4th time is the charm!?) just to continue going unpunished (https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/027/475/Screen_Shot_2018-10-25_at_11.02.15_AM.jpg).
If this Loki was all what he claims to be, he wouldn't have enough time to play RO let alone lead a server or "develop" a project for 3 years. Those that believe him most have less then half a brain cell left.
Quote from: 2k2 on Oct 26, 2023, 07:30 PMAfter 3 years in development, many CBTs and one OBT, they had probably the biggest failure of a server launch ever in the history of this game
approaching 20 years of me playing RO and this server takes the #1 spot decidedly.
As promised, they delivered everything we were expecting: another big batch of crashes, bugs, and not even a full day online, there were already at least 3 rollbacks after crashes and now some players are even asking them for and others are afraid of another wipe. This team/this server is truly hopeless.
(https://i.imgur.com/kISWr7H.png)
Here you see [ADM]Cyberneko admitting there are NO DDOS, just internal problems from their own end.
(https://i.imgur.com/CKTumaA.png)
You read it right. A 3 hours rollback after one of the many crashes today.
(https://i.imgur.com/qPGenrt.png)
Players rightfully trashing them saying this is another OBT and the server will relaunch next friday. Can't even blame their sarcasm. Even LuckyBlackCat is confused and doesn't know if it was a rollback of a full server wipe that happened.
(https://i.imgur.com/poykfFqg.png)
The same major problem they had with the login server in the 1st launch last week still persists today, despite the 5 days of OBT/bug fixxing. Now they turned the server off (yes, offline for like the 5th or 6th time when the server is not even 6h total online) to supposedly apply a fix on this. 🤡
I commend their effort in trying really hard to have an even worse server launch than last week's despite the many days they had to fix all the known issues and find more.
it's so funny how delusional you are haha ppl send messages as jokes and you put it as it happened, like a 3-hour rollback kek, so dumb...
if the server was so bad as you try to portray it, wouldn't have over 500+ ppl without dual playing right now
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1017453565796679740/1167579593641820211/image.png?ex=654ea43b&is=653c2f3b&hm=411c9b3ffa439604569406c0eb1086cea51ff7f73befeddd94929c7184d30863&)
goodnight, don't forget to take your pills.
Quote from: rodolfodth on Oct 27, 2023, 05:45 PMit's so funny how delusional you are haha ppl send messages as jokes and you put it as it happened, like a 3-hour rollback kek, so dumb...
if the server was so bad as you try to portray it, wouldn't have over 500+ ppl without dual playing right now
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1017453565796679740/1167579593641820211/image.png?ex=654ea43b&is=653c2f3b&hm=411c9b3ffa439604569406c0eb1086cea51ff7f73befeddd94929c7184d30863&)
goodnight, don't forget to take your pills.
I don't trust server player counts ever. Spoofing the /who playercount number is genuinely just one line of code.
That isn't saying that the server doesn't have that many players, just that the /who command shouldn't be taken as gospel fact. Servers can, have, and do spoof their player counts.
And if the admin is going to say he has worked at Nasa and be a part of another servers' staff when he wasn't, well...
Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Oct 27, 2023, 05:52 PMI don't trust server player counts ever. Spoofing the /who playercount number is genuinely just one line of code.
That isn't saying that the server doesn't have that many players, just that the /who command shouldn't be taken as gospel fact. Servers can, have, and do spoof their player counts.
And if the admin is going to say he has worked at Nasa and be a part of another servers' staff when he wasn't, well...
He said "I'm an astrobiologist at Caltech, I work with biochemical data analysis from NASA's Mars2020 mission", I don't know who you're but if you only exist in your mom's basement, well...
The server doesn't have Cash Shop, maybe in the future, and only cosmetics... so... maybe he earns well from "Nasa".
~
about the player's count, just check yourself ;)
Quote from: rodolfodth on Oct 27, 2023, 05:45 PMit's so funny how delusional you are haha ppl send messages as jokes and you put it as it happened, like a 3-hour rollback kek, so dumb...
if the server was so bad as you try to portray it, wouldn't have over 500+ ppl without dual playing right now
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1017453565796679740/1167579593641820211/image.png?ex=654ea43b&is=653c2f3b&hm=411c9b3ffa439604569406c0eb1086cea51ff7f73befeddd94929c7184d30863&)
goodnight, don't forget to take your pills.
Loki, that you? Cope harder.
Quote from: rodolfodth on Oct 27, 2023, 06:11 PMHe said "I'm an astrobiologist at Caltech, I work with biochemical data analysis from NASA's Mars2020 mission", I don't know who you're but if you only exist in your mom's basement, well...
The server doesn't have Cash Shop, maybe in the future, and only cosmetics... so... maybe he earns well from "Nasa".
~
about the player's count, just check yourself ;)
Since you like damage controlling so much, can you address the fake GM stuff? /hmm
Quote from: rodolfodth on Oct 27, 2023, 05:45 PMit's so funny how delusional you are haha ppl send messages as jokes and you put it as it happened, like a 3-hour rollback kek, so dumb...
if the server was so bad as you try to portray it, wouldn't have over 500+ ppl without dual playing right now
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1017453565796679740/1167579593641820211/image.png?ex=654ea43b&is=653c2f3b&hm=411c9b3ffa439604569406c0eb1086cea51ff7f73befeddd94929c7184d30863&)
goodnight, don't forget to take your pills.
I'm pretty sure that was an image from the first failed launch last week, not today xD
Quote from: 2k2 on Oct 27, 2023, 05:34 PMAs promised, they delivered everything we were expecting: another big batch of crashes, bugs, and not even a full day online, there were already at least 3 rollbacks after crashes and now some players are even asking them for and others are afraid of another wipe. This team/this server is truly hopeless.
(https://i.imgur.com/kISWr7H.png)
Here you see [ADM]Cyberneko admitting there are NO DDOS, just internal problems from their own end.
(https://i.imgur.com/CKTumaA.png)
You read it right. A 3 hours rollback after one of the many crashes today.
(https://i.imgur.com/qPGenrt.png)
Players rightfully trashing them saying this is another OBT and the server will relaunch next friday. Can't even blame their sarcasm. Even LuckyBlackCat is confused and doesn't know if it was a rollback of a full server wipe that happened.
(https://i.imgur.com/poykfFqg.png)
The same major problem they had with the login server in the 1st launch last week still persists today, despite the 5 days of OBT/bug fixxing. Now they turned the server off (yes, offline for like the 5th or 6th time when the server is not even 6h total online) to supposedly apply a fix on this. 🤡
I commend their effort in trying really hard to have an even worse server launch than last week's despite the many days they had to fix all the known issues and find more.
Jesus man, I can't even joke anymore I guess?
THAT was a joke? Jesus man
Just wondering, why would someone, who worked at NASA before, open a RO private server? The money nor fame would be worth the effort or the drama.
Quote from: rodolfodth on Oct 27, 2023, 06:11 PMHe said "I'm an astrobiologist at Caltech, I work with biochemical data analysis from NASA's Mars2020 mission", I don't know who you're but if you only exist in your mom's basement, well...
The server doesn't have Cash Shop, maybe in the future, and only cosmetics... so... maybe he earns well from "Nasa".
~
about the player's count, just check yourself ;)
Ah yes, the classic "I'm going to insult you because this somehow makes my point get better across because I actually have nothing of substance to refute with", argument.
Kind of funny that this "astrobiologist" is trying and take credit for a server's balancing that this "basement dweller" actually did by himself, though.
Again, I'm not saying he
is spoofing, but you must think of me as an absolute fool if you believe that I should find someone who takes credit for something
I did and was literally
paid to do, as a trustworthy source.
All I'm saying is that, he didn't work with OathRO staff (in any capacity), any claims that he has is an outright blatant lie, and if someone is going to blatantly lie like that, then everything else they claim should be scrutinized and not so easily accepted as truth, especially because player numbers are incredibly easy to spoof with just adjusting one line of code, and it takes less than a minute to do, therefore, shouldn't be taken as evidence of a servers' health anyway.
Actually, I believe that line of thinking should practised for every single server regardless of how credible they may be or not and not just this one - especially ones that allow multi-boxing for obvious reasons.
Quote from: rodolfodth on Oct 27, 2023, 05:45 PMit's so funny how delusional you are [...]
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You talking about delusional when you believe the server actually has 500+ players... yikes. Loki/ADM_I_Work_For_NASA is a joke just like his server. Why wouldn't he inflate player's numbers when he has done much worse than this? Inflating numbers is his deal (remember he claimed to be an OriginsRO GM for over 10 years, more time than the server even existed!). Keep simping to this failure of a corrupt dead server.
Quote from: luckyblackat on Oct 28, 2023, 12:18 AMJesus man, I can't even joke anymore I guess?
You know, I too am joking whenever I realize I made a big f*ckup.
Quote from: admornstein on Oct 26, 2023, 03:25 PMADM "Loki" will go into the hall of fame for achievements.
Works with NASA sometimes(no joke)
post-doc in bio stuff
play tester for wizards of the coast
GM in multiple servers over longer periods than they exist
balance team from a server with no balance team
multiple partners and agreements over the entire community
I'm usually pretty neutral on this stuff, but DAMN does it hurt my soul to have morally-supported the project. This guy is nuts.
(even if some of these things are true, the constant repeat of them is ...dang.)
Quote from: 2k2 on Oct 26, 2023, 07:30 PMOuch, thought you were joking, but you weren't (https://i.imgur.com/JvFYtN3.png). Guy is a complete psycho, delusional and as we know, a compulsive liar as well.
LOL, this guy is approaching Lord J tier of unhinged. Now I bet even the name in his documents is false.
I just noticed, why you guys are saying those things, first, no, there was no rollback, if anything like a few mins max, I played quite a bit, the "joke" was because the server dced about 3h in after launch, soo people were joking about wipe, and at this point I asked if we wiped would it be a wipe or a 3h rollback? That's literally it...
I don't like some things/claims as well, it's not my place anymore to deal or care about it, but the server hit 800 players and is on an constant average of 600, it is doing fine, if this is good or bad idk, nor care, I'm just playing it and return to morroc and chilling, feel free to point things and discuss all you want, but at least have the right context...
Quote from: luckyblackat on Oct 28, 2023, 04:20 PMI just noticed, why you guys are saying those things, first, no, there was no rollback, if anything like a few mins max, I played quite a bit, the "joke" was because the server dced about 3h in after launch, soo people were joking about wipe, and at this point I asked if we wiped would it be a wipe or a 3h rollback? That's literally it...
I don't like some things/claims as well, it's not my place anymore to deal or care about it, but the server hit 800 players and is on an constant average of 600, it is doing fine, if this is good or bad idk, nor care, I'm just playing it and return to morroc and chilling, feel free to point things and discuss all you want, but at least have the right context...
You lost your credibility long ago, and made it even worse by still protecting the proven lies and corruption within your server. This is like the 4th or 5th time on this thread alone where you keep saying "it's not my place anymore, I'm not defending or protecting Loki or his server", yet all you do is come here to either lie again or justify their lies. Also, stop with the fake player numbers screenshots, nobody is buying that after all the debunked lies you, Loki and the rest of the staff said.
Rollback after crash after rollback after crash and so on. Something we only see in those brazillian dumpster RMT servers. A level of incompetence never seen before in the private server circle.
(https://i.imgur.com/fNe439n.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Psi0wXl.png)
So, let me get it straight: because of the lack of experience in this game or just plain stupidity from the team, people abused the Umbala Meat Quest to easily get 75% of the total items needed for the Autoloot skill, requiring them only to farm 250 Shells, with was clearly a major oversight, but now on this second attempt of a launch,
you're rewarding everyone that exploited this unintended mistake with free autoloot, and everyone else that wasn't there last week to abuse it, is punished/forced to manually grind every single of the 1000 items? Talk about fairness.
Only on a server like this we see this kind of situation. This team never disappoints when it comes to make bad decisions in literally everything they do.
Yada yada yada, there you go again, don't care, you used my name to state an incorrect fact about the wipe using my name and photo as statement, and I corrected you, that's all, no need to be butthurt. That's on you, your name has as much less value as mine, we are both randoms online.
I did not even defend Loki, you can go ahead and say whatever.
I play the server and enjoy, I also do value Neko work and know the player count is legit, you can complain and say what fits your desires, but you are just stating wrong stuff as well lol, and even using me and dodging when called out lmao, you can join the sv and easily see that the store number tripled, the global, trade and party chat never stops and is full of different unique people, and any map such as beginner grounds, spores, wolfs, tf, all orcs, ice dun, anubis, stalagnitic, thor etc... have full parties roaming around, hell you dont even need to join, any streamer is in those spots and you can see multiple groups moving or static leveling, there are also multiple twitch vods showing the server did not wipe in those screenshots you used...
Loki must be really grateful for his loyal CM still here after getting non-stop s*** on for 3 weeks, spreading fake s*** about his server, lying for him and protecting his lies. What a good hateshield you are.
Excuse me? Play your server? You mistake me. I nearly gave the server a chance but the day I planned to it exploded and it's even worse than it was now. No thanks.
I guess it's more important to send your CM here to defend your s*** server than to work on it to improve and gain the much-needed experience. If only this CM wasn't so terrible at PR damage control though.
See you in your next reply here defending the server, its lies and corruptions for the 7th time after saying "I'm done with it. I'm not protecting anything anymore." o7
besides the entertainement I got from this whole thing, I can only take my gut feeling on the "3 years in the making" without any further elaboration so like most should I didnt even download this dumpsterfire.
I also learned that no mater how stupid and messy you do your stupid get rich fast schemes. If you attract enought attention the brainless mob will not give a single f***. I am sure that with the said 500 players they can make some money, so worth it?
Wild ride
Quote from: amoryblaine on Oct 28, 2023, 10:54 PMIf you attract enought attention the brainless mob will not give a single f***.
The RO community just deserves the abuse at this point, people love supporting nonsense servers then crying 6 months later when it inevitably steals all their money, sells all their data, and closes down.
Was watching a guildmate play this server while I downloaded the client.
Deleted the client as soon as it finished, since I'd seen like 7 crashes during the ~15 minute process of finding a working mirror and downloading the client.
Glad I didn't invest any time beyond that.
I have worked on a few servers in the past under varying names like Lazarus and Tyrant, but damn - I've never seen a staff member lie QUITE so hard, aside from good old Ancy.
I know that this is completely irrelevant compared to all the actual drama but it made me chuckle; it looks like the server re-launch wasn't even @everyone'd on the discord, no actual mention of it in the #news channel just new download links posted a few days ago
300+ online. The already bleak future of RO is getting even worse if this is a server people accept
Assuming there are indeed 300+ online. Inflating /w numbers is the oldest trick in the book.
Weird donkey server. I friend of mine played and streamed for 6h and I watched it all.
This server really is weird and made lots of bold claims the still hasn't delivered. Most of their custom/unique/original content are not implemented or may be implemented but completely unbalanced or buggy to the point nobody touches it.
The balance is horrible and exploitable until some point due to having free and unlimited resets until 50, meaning you can abuse the first and second raid playing optimal builds instead of having a more real gameplay with different builds.
Some of the "balances" are still terribly overpowered, for example, Brandish Spear with 2-H Spears hitting a huge area of effect (talking about half the screen, not even kidding) for like 6k+ DMG (again, unrefined NPC weapon, no cards or endow or any buffs).
The raids are a joke, no challenge or dept at all, and quite hilarious the first one/lowest level one is the hardest of all. The rewards are pretty busted for the time it takes to finish (team of experienced players finish it in less than 3 minutes), easily being abusable for free items, potions and cards if you create specific meta characters for the specific raid level range. This is what every group has been doing to maintain infinite potions.
Now the worst and shady part:
Recently they announced on discord they hired 4 or 5 CMs to help the staff take care of things. Supposedly one of each language supported in the server.
Fine so far... Except that 2 of these new CMs are from one specific guild/group I don't even need to mention which, right?
What people feared and knew would happen sooner or later, happened, pretty much the same way to happen back on Payon Stories when they made that "PvM Council" stuff and put only members of that specific guild.
During the 6h I watched, the server would either crash or disconnect at least twice and hour, and in every crash there would be a rollback of 2-5 minutes. BIG chance of losing cards or valuable drops if you're unfortunate with bad timing during a server crash.
Also the "300+" player numbers are fake. The server likely has 150-200 players, because it's much less active than Payon Stories.
Yeah that changed spear mastery really F'd the spear knights dmg adding like 400 base dmg before any skill modifiers making it super easy to one hit almost anything with 99str +7 elem pike without any cards. They really did not test anything before hand. But seeing as they have yet to relist the server, tells me they know if they would have it would get another wave of bad reviews on what a mess the server STILL is.
Quote from: Shuchou on Nov 03, 2023, 04:50 PMYeah that changed spear mastery really F'd the spear knights dmg adding like 400 base dmg before any skill modifiers making it super easy to one hit almost anything with 99str +7 elem pike without any cards. They really did not test anything before hand. But seeing as they have yet to relist the server, tells me they know if they would have it would get another wave of bad reviews on what a mess the server STILL is.
The masteries in general are ultra buffed to the point of classes without it simply dealing no damage. I don't even want to start thinking of how retarded will be a Paladin with maxed Spear Mastery and Demon Bane against demon/undead monsters. Scary and uncontested DPS easily.
The raids can be easily cheesed with Cicada ninja to the point they can almost solo it.
And I don't know if this is the norm for brazillian servers, but the community is f*** horrible and toxic. My friend was playing a GC crusader and he couldn't even gather a small pack of monsters and cast GC in time before some fly-winger teleport on top of him and one-shot all of his monsters. This was in every single map. KS fiesta and the GMs doesn't care about this, they consider this a "normal behavior" in the game. @noks is bugged and doesn't even work there too. Worse part is that you ask the players not to do that and they will start to call you really bad names and even racist stuff.
Like Shuchou said, the balance is beyond f*** and you can clearly see NOTHING was tested beforehand because the numbers in a lot of stuff are super exaggerated.
The server shouldn't even be in an Alpha state, let alone beta or release. Couple more years and the server could actually be cool if they can properly implement their ideas and REALLY balance everything. Also start doing something about the blatant KS fiesta and toxicity in general.
Terrible server with a terrible community and laughable gameplay.
And the lies continues...
(https://i.imgur.com/ydea3m1.png)
"8 years of Origins" > already debunked with data and dates by skyleo/GM Kreuzbube.
"6 months of OathRO" > everyone that was part of Oath that came here to talk about this confirmed he was never part of the team.
"1 year of ExcelRO" > no idea what server this is, but I assume it's a lie too since he's has made much worse claims.
Funny how he didn't mention he was staff of two previous servers where he and his friends (current Midgard Legends staff) came out as corrupt: Arkaik Online and Ragna4th.
(https://i.imgur.com/bU7oO0t.png)
He's saying he was some "[GM]/[CM] Freyr" on OathRO and was going after RMT schemes/RMTers (in the first batch of screenshots I posted on page 2, he claimed the opposite of this: that he worked only on the "rebalance comission" and had never been part of the team working against RMTers).
Dastgir? Sairek? Is this real? Did this GM really existed and did this job? Was this GM really Rebelo/Loki/Cronwell?
(https://i.imgur.com/WOBO3XZ.png)
Weirdly, [GM]Freyr is another complete different individual on their (Midgard Legends) staff. Very confusing (and suspicious?).
(https://i.imgur.com/M8vE6gH.png)
Again saying he was part of the "rebalance comission" and that had no idea there were RMT running rampant between p2w and the staff, when not even 10min before this message, he claimed he was [GM]Freyr on OathRO and his job was to huntdown RMTers.
(https://i.imgur.com/7JyOmuo.png)
Trying to prove he's legit by posting internal stuff from OriginsRO staff (and apparently, 2020 to 2022 to him is 8 years?)
I see now.
He was [CM] Freyr in Oath (Portuguese CM, no role of balancing) from 22nd October 2022 3:14 AM (GMT+0, as per discord joining date of staff channel) till 9th November 2022 00:30AM (Partially active during his tenure), where he voluntarily stepped down from CM duties.
I don't see any message of him , regarding catching RMT players or balancing but just acting on normal reports (bot reports, harassment report and those kind of things)
Quote from: dastgir on Nov 03, 2023, 11:00 PMI see now.
He was [CM] Freyr in Oath (Portuguese CM, no role of balancing) from 22nd October 2022 3:14 AM (GMT+0, as per discord joining date of staff channel) till 9th November 2022 00:30AM (Partially active during his tenure), where he voluntarily stepped down from CM duties.
I don't see any message of him , regarding catching RMT players or balancing but just acting on normal reports (bot reports, harassment report and those kind of things)
I can back Dastgir up with this as well. This is when he joined the team (My time zone is Eastern Standard Time).
(https://i.imgur.com/4C0nnMt.png)
And this is when he stepped down:
(https://i.imgur.com/QDPIgSI.png)
(The second picture is modified because I blurred sensitive portions for privacy; the reason why he stepped down are his own and doesn't matter for the point of discussion anyway).
He didn't come back after that, but in fairness, OathRO didn't last very long after his departure anyway. Regardless, he wasn't on the staff for a month, let alone six months. Also again, Community Managers never balanced anything. I mean, we could offer suggestions, just like any player could, but there was no dedicated "balance team", and if he was on that if such thing were to have existed, then he probably wouldn't have been a CM anyway. Nobody really "double-dipped" roles except for admins, except Ayami for translation stuff/discord moderation.
Also, I should point out that his name has of course changed since then which is why I didn't know who he was. Especially when there is someone on staff over there on Midgard Legends is already named "Freyr", Not that Discord's message searching is too accurate anyway.
I'm actually happy to see he seems to have recovered from when he left OathRO staff though, and I hope he's doing better with IRL things now.
MORE MAJOR SERVER-BREAKING BUG EXPLOITING FROM DAY 1, AS EXPECTED.
3 years in development, btw.
TLDR: OCA (https://ratemyserver.net/index.php?iname=old+card+album&page=item_db&quick=1&isearch=Search) (Old Card Album (https://ratemyserver.net/index.php?iname=old+card+album&page=item_db&quick=1&isearch=Search)) duping happening since day 1 of the 2nd launch (likely already discovered during the 1st launch/before the wipe), where basically the Card Hunt NPC (swap 20 random cards for 1 Old Card Album) would give you the item before taking your 20 cards in exchange, making it possible for you to finish the NPC dialog before he takes your items by closing the client. Supposedly, people abused this to farm thousands of OCAs since day 1 and been selling/spreading/flooding the cards into the market, which at this point, it's something that can't be fixed anymore other than a 2nd wipe (LOL!).
Hopefully this will be enough to be the last nail in the coffin for this server and the dumb players still playing there finally realize the stupidity they're supporting by playing there.
Disclaimer: the following texts (except from Bold text lines) and image are NOT from me. Reddit thread source below.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/17tc9ke/oca_duping_in_midgard_legends/
"After all this time, after a complete server wipe, after a 2nd open beta and after (their words) 3 years of development... We have an OCA bug that has been in the game since the 1st and 2nd opening. Yes, an Old Card Album bug. There is/was an NPC in the game that let you trade in any 20 cards for an OCA. However, if you logged out before you clicked the prompt, it still gave you the OCA without taking your 20 cards. So people have been printing an infinite amount of OCA's on a 5/5/3 lowrate server that is less than a month old.
The reason why this has been discovered TODAY is because someone made a mistake. This person among others have been asking people what cards they wanted to buy and he would to go on to "hunt" for those cards. Usually he would manage to get that card within a couple hours. So people got suspicious... This person was asked for 3 Stapo cards (nobody farms Stapo's) and he accidentally put 9 Stapo cards into the trade window. Shortly after that, people reported this person and the OCA NPC was instantly removed, but the damage was already done. He said he had duped 1000s of OCA's and this is just one person. I can't imagine the damage this exploit has already done to the economy."
(https://preview.redd.it/10ut2wv8duzb1.png?width=895&format=png&auto=webp&s=6865ee0aef48cde493fb9d3080e9b71fc7c3c39a)
"Accidentally put in 9 Stapo cards instead of 3. Nobody farms Stapo's."
(https://preview.redd.it/95c8yzicduzb1.png?width=301&format=png&auto=webp&s=680fcef8e7d24453812d5bf4b9bb96c9affde543)
"Pretending to take on "hunting bounties" when all he had to do was open OCA's until he got the card that was asked for."
THIS HERE NOW SHOWS HOW RUDE [ADM]LOKI/REBELO/GM CRONWELL IS AND HOW HE TREATS HIS COMMUNITY:
"Oh yeah, the Thanatos portal is also bugged of course (no surprises there) and when people went on Discord to ask about it, this was what they got as a response from the Community Admin:"
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The following images proves the kind of interaction you get with this corrupt Admin (I understand the player messaging him was sarcastic and rude, but you need to keep your level-headed when you're in a position of leadership, because it's expected you will be handling trolls from time to time, still no reason to lash out lack that and ban the whole group).
(https://preview.redd.it/aj63vytlduzb1.png?width=1167&format=png&auto=webp&s=6ef01ca2566a318f26ef94726b04421d5a91a6de)
(https://preview.redd.it/m8fsuk5mduzb1.png?width=656&format=png&auto=webp&s=cb56c1fcc6777818b86badc357cd99ecb6746580)
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"For heaven's sake! We, the community literally BETA TESTED this server twice and went through a server wipe that destroyed tens if not a hundred hours of our free time and after 3 years of development we still can't expect basic functions to work correctly? And we get threatened with a ban because we speak up about one thing. And not just that, we are absolutely correct, because multiple people have come forward that the Thanatos quest is bugged. It's ridiculous really. Oh and did I mention that they opened up for donations a few days ago? Yeah very cool to offer donations when half the server isn't even working correctly or uses systems that are absolutely flawed. Well, I'll just leave it at this, but if you want to personally witness this ridiculousness, you can always just join the discord and admire how patient the RO community is with not very capable leadership, let's just say."
To Midgard Legends players:
Are you seriously fine with this situation? Legitimately curious to know why would you be fine with this all (both, the OCA abuse and illicit cards flooding the market and the response from [ADM]Loki). Would love if you all reading this could create an account to interact and give your opinions over this and the rest of the topic as a whole.
Just to add fuel to the fire /gg
we need second wipe!!!
Lol, at this point it's 100% on the people still playing this garbage. Perhaps this server is actually a blessing in disguise, pulling so many gullible people and worse groups to its orbit. A toast to its longevity if that's the case.
Quote from: 2k2 on Nov 12, 2023, 03:32 AMThe following images proves the kind of interaction you get with this corrupt Admin (I understand the player messaging him was sarcastic and rude, but you need to keep your level-headed when you're in a position of leadership, because it's expected you will be handling trolls from time to time, still no reason to lash out lack that and ban the whole group).
i didn't read the rest of the post so i don't know if the rest is proof of foul play from the admin or not, but my eye snapped to this one specific thing because i'm going to have to hard disagree. if you're being an a****** in my presence to anyone, f*** you and get you're getting s*** talked the f*** out of. you're on my server, my game, freeloading, and daddy's gonna give you a spanking if you come in my town bringing some s*** personality thinking you can do what you want to people. you're not coming in here spreading that attitude without catching these hands. period.
the banning part however, is extremely scummy. talk is good, abuse of power is bad. if you ban someone, it means you're too weak to solve it the real way.
Quote from: 2k2 on Nov 12, 2023, 03:32 AMMORE MAJOR SERVER-BREAKING BUG EXPLOITING FROM DAY 1, AS EXPECTED.
3 years in development, btw.
Guys, i think we need ML memes thread start, or Loki best citation. Enjoy, people have been doing this work for 3 years, everyone should support them with at least 3 great memes
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This
[ADM]Loki/Rebelo is such a clown. He
banned an entire party, banned lots of people on Discord for pointing out bugs, questioning and confirming he was mistaken to think the quest was working as intended, just to later realize it actually wasn't working and as a "quick fix" they're spawning Thantos MVP on the 6th floor of the tower, since people are unable to proceed with the quest after this point.(https://i.imgur.com/Co6GT7E.png)
Threatening and bashing people for pointing out the bug and then claiming the quest is working fine and that he tested it himself
(https://i.imgur.com/QNmxjNH.png)
This is an in-game screenshot of the MVP spawn announcement (1 day after his claims the quest was working) showing it's now spawning on the 6th floor
He has been claiming the OCA duping abuse had "zero" impact on the server and saying they checked all the logs and nothing bad happened, but in reality, a LOT of card
flooded the market with even super rare and valuable cards such as
Alice Card,
Abysmal Knight Card,
Gemini-S58 Card in the past couple days (players said there was nobody selling any of these cards since day1, except for a few Abysmal Knight Cards dropped legitimately). These cards suddenly appeared in the server yet [ADM]Loki continues to claim the OCA duping had "zero impact and that they checked everything in the logs". There are even talks and rumours about some miniboss cards already in the game, more specifically, an Angeling and a Deviling Card.
He continues on a tirade of banning everyone questioning the staff about this.
(https://i.imgur.com/48xGK6D.png)
Banning players for just asking and worrying about the future of the server
(https://i.imgur.com/D5G1mZE.png)
Banning a 2nd player for questioning why he banned the 1st one for just asking
(https://i.imgur.com/ocCpDYV.png)
Claims the dupper was banned and there was "zero impact" on the server, despite A LOT of rare and valuable cards suddenly popping in the market
(https://i.imgur.com/QR47x8A.png)
Another player politely asking for an official statement/position about the exploit and he replying with arrogance and mockery
(https://i.imgur.com/FSdPX9J.png)
This here is a lie. Wasn't just one player and he didn't "announce a multitude of cards", the bug abuse was brought up to light because he was selling a large number of rare cards. More people were duping this and spreading cards into the game,
one guild specifically benefitted from this the most as they were directly buying A LOT of good and rare cards from the duppers for dirty cheap (guess which guild?)
and then reported the duppers to stop the exploit and keep the cards for themselves since they legitimately bought them[/b].
(https://i.imgur.com/6AEeahk.png)
[ADM]Cyberneko showing he's as dirty as [ADM]Loki. He claims the dupper (there was more than one dupper) "only made 10m in zeny" after duping
thousands (more specifically, in the numbers of 4000s), which the player asks/explains/reasons that can't be true, as you're expected to make much more than that with just 2 digits number of OCAs. Since 2 days ago, the server is flooded with cards such as Alice, Abysmal Knight and rarer ones.
(https://i.imgur.com/TvhqSwp.png)
DIRECT GOOGLE TRANSLATION:
QuoteBalbsSalú — Yesterday at 10:07 AM
The flag for me is that the server has about 400 on, and we only noticed, as you said: "we suspected when he announced an infinity of cards"..so it wasn't because of the oca npc log changing frantically that raised the flag, it was him being an idiot.
Either it didn't acknowledge receipt and generated, I don't know, a log just for the 4000 or it generated 4000 logs and you can't check regularly because there are n thousand exchange NPCs
That's what it takes for me, if the guy stays quiet, he slowly generates the hollows, without being greedy, he equipped an entire guild, sold them little by little, because he only attracted attention due to the excessive sales of cards
A suggestion as a countermeasure is, I don't know, 1x a week to look at important NPCs for exchange, XP in GOH, OCA and I don't know what else.
whitepet (Topado) — Yesterday at 10:08 AM
Any Adm or GM in game? Good morning
[ADM] Loki — Yesterday at 10:09 AM
we...checked...all...logs...of the entire...server...
more than 100000 lines
Are you satisfied? man...what unnecessary drama
play the game
You will realize that this problem had NO IMPACT
The server is at a point a
2nd wipe is 100% needed due to the flood of cards of the OCA duping and most of the cards going for an specific guild, but I doubt that will happen as they know this would certainly kill the server.
The server is steadily dying though, as the "300+ players" claims from a few days ago are more close to 200 now after the OCA duping exploit.
3 years in development, btw.
Best server!
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They just made an official statement about the OCA bug exploit/duping (https://discord.com/channels/1124544485746016366/1173663457485271161):
(https://i.imgur.com/c3rADlg.png)
Notice the name of the ones to report the dupping and guess from which guild they are? Also, guess who are the ones that were buying hundreds of cards from the duppers before reporting it?
Thousands (over 4000) Old Card Albums were dupped and opened and thousands of these cards were injected into the market through trade or dropping. It wasn't "only 11" as he's claiming, as some people on discord has claimed and proved they alone bought TENS of cards of the some of the duppers.
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How funny:
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He banned an entire group for pointing out the bug and then banned many players on discord for also confirming it was bugged, and now they fixed the quest? Lol
"bug exploration"
This guy worked at NASA and can't even spell "exploit". I hope we get more bugs to explore, because this server has produced more memes this year than all others combined.
Quote from: Saika911 on Nov 13, 2023, 12:44 PM"bug exploration"
This guy worked at NASA and can't even spell "exploit". I hope we get more bugs to explore, because this server has produced more memes this year than all others combined.
Given how hard he has been disproven, Loki likely went for a tour at a Nasa location and thinks that's enough to claim he 'worked' there. Loki is a total clown and clearly this is the first server he ever did anything that dealt with server files and coding xD
NPC's giving the reward before taking the payment is a classic novice mistake.
Quote from: Shuchou on Nov 13, 2023, 01:35 PMNPC's giving the reward before taking the payment is a classic novice mistake.
Right! Lol, this is the oldest scripting error in the book. How can you write full raid scripts but not know how to set a variable and properly delete currency? Crazy.
By the way, the server doesn't count the autotrades/stores on /w. I spammed to log in as soon as the server went up after the maintenance to quickly do /w and check the online number count, and it showed about ~155 online players after logging in not even 2s as soon as the server went online (nobody else but me in Prontera, and since it was literally less than 2s, I doubt more than 5 people logged in with me, let alone 155), proving this server is indeed faking the online numbers and the actual number should be anywhere between 80-150 players only.
Quote from: ForgotMyOldAccount on Nov 13, 2023, 02:41 PMRight! Lol, this is the oldest scripting error in the book. How can you write full raid scripts but not know how to set a variable and properly delete currency? Crazy.
Wasn't going to say this, but yes I feel the same. It's very unfortunate that this trap has always been there to catch the inexperienced scriptors. Reminds me of the good old times when I abused similar bug from the early eAthena days.
getitem 1234, 5;
next;
mes "[Nice NPC]";
mes "Hi I will delete your item now if you haven't close the client";
delitem 5678, 9;
Wish there is a better script command for item exchange like npcitem(a[], b[], y[], z[]) to do the getitem and delitem in one line, could be more secure. (or there is such command?!)
So, judging at first glance, this server feels iffy. I have never had such a hard time not only finding a server, but trying to connect to it. Asking for permissions in my discord to make an account is not user friendly, nor would I want them knowing what else I do on my free time. Is this really necessary to join a community? am I signing into a government website? what is the meaning of all of this? Such a shame, because I wanted to see what all the fun was about.
Quote from: yC on Nov 13, 2023, 07:11 PMWish there is a better script command for item exchange like npcitem(a[], b[], y[], z[]) to do the getitem and delitem in one line, could be more secure. (or there is such command?!)
No need more commands, it's just a common sens.
Obviously this script has not been tested.
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[ADM]Loki/Rebelo left (got kicked from?) the server's staff. Claims it has something to do with his mental health. No wonder, after he sh*tted in the entire community, made big lies about his past, his experience, tried to use big server names to boost his credibility and siding with a known RMT guild.
Next is probably going to be [GM]Yuuf as she doesn't do anything other than random "good morning" to brazillian players on discord.
3 years in development by [ADM]Cyberneko to be completly destroyed by Loki/Rebelo and his team in less than a month.
Speaking of a month, in the past 24h hours, 2 MVP Cards (Orc Hero Card and Dark Lord Card) spawned (no screenshots of the drop shared yet as far as I know), and the server is still flooded by extremely rare cards (Alice Cards, Thanatos mobs Cards, Byorgue Cards, Sword Guardian Cards, super rare spawn mobs) due to the OCA Exploit. Reminder that there was already an Angeling Card in the server (again, no screenshot of the drop shared yet) and all of these cards suddenly entered the game after the OCA exploit. The timing of these 2 really strong MVP cards spawning and Loki/Rebelo leaving the staff is at minimum a suspicious coincidence.
@EDIT
As I was writing this post, the prediction about [GM]Yuuf turned out to be correct. She just left (or got kicked from) the server staff as well and will continue to play as a regular player with her guilds mates. Next one is likely going to be [GM]Skadi (formerly [GM]Peach on Ragna4th, another known corrupt GM of Loki/Rebelo "staff team").
Quoteserver is still flooded by extremely rare cards ( Byorgue Cards, Sword Guardian Cards) due to the OCA Exploit.
ehh I really don't know about that
Ragnarok online has instances. I have killed over 100 MvP's on this server - How many do you think the guild of 40 people all allergic to grass that routinely get accused of playing the game for financial benefit have killed?
There is almost always 2 thor parties going at all times, byorgue/guardian cards should not be a surprise at all. I've only seen AFAIK 2 different alice cards go up for sale. 3 of the people selling alice cards in the last 2 days were actually the same person(I PM'd them to see what price) - Same for byorgue(2 sellers, one early on and a 2nd guy that found it recently in a party I was in and advertised it a bunch of times on diff chars)
Quote from: Orange on Nov 18, 2023, 09:39 AMehh I really don't know about that
Ragnarok online has instances. I have killed over 100 MvP's on this server - How many do you think the guild of 40 people all allergic to grass that routinely get accused of playing the game for financial benefit have killed?
There is almost always 2 thor parties going at all times, byorgue/guardian cards should not be a surprise at all. I've only seen AFAIK 2 different alice cards go up for sale. 3 of the people selling alice cards in the last 2 days were actually the same person(I PM'd them to see what price) - Same for byorgue(2 sellers, one early on and a 2nd guy that found it recently in a party I was in and advertised it a bunch of times on diff chars)
There have been Thor parties all day since day 1, and before there would be even 3 or 4 parties, but since the server is almost dead now, you mostly see 1 or at max 2 parties there.
The problem though is that NONE of these cards were showed up/being sold or there were talks of them before the OCA exploit. They all showed up selling in the market in the same day of the OCA drama.
So, let's see:
> 1 month+ of 3-4 Thor parties almost 24h and no drops whatsoever.
> OCA exploit happens and in the same day all these Thor parties manages to drop multiple Byorgue Cards, Sword Guardian Cards etc? What would be the explanation for the rest of the rare cards then, such as Alice also showing up to sale in the very same day of the OCA exploit, despite the staff claiming there was no damage in the economy and that only 11 cards were dupped?
And about [ADM]Loki/Rebelo:
Ever since he left the staff, a lot of people has been taking the opportunity to directly talk s*** to him and call him out because of his abusive power trip phase. All these people are getting muted and banned from the discord by
[GM]Skadi and Loki/Rebelo continues to mock and threat people saying he will get anyone banned whenever he wants despite not being a staff anymore.
Some people also brought up a potential reason of why he left the staff: dude is a creepy towards women in the community (and especially the staff). Everybody knows he would mercilessly ban anyone interacting in any way with the female staff members (Yuuf and Skadi) and say they're "his" and nobody should talk to them or make any jokes or implications. He'd often call them "my priests", "my honeys" etc, but whenever people called him out for being a creepy, he'd defend himself by saying "I'm a married guy and in a really good marriage!", but then would continue to harass these girls and mute/bans whoever tries to interact with them. Some internal drama must have happened as people talked about this on discord, because Yuuf had left the staff around the same time Loki left, but she was reinstated back sometime after it and she's no longer talking/interacting with him nor he is trying to talk or interact with her.
They ([GM]Skadi is banning everyone in orders from ex-[ADM]Loki/Rebelo) mutted and banned a lot of people yesterday for bringing up these claims or simply by saying Loki wasn't good for the server and that it's a good thing he's no longer part of it.
Quote from: 2k2 on Nov 18, 2023, 11:03 AMThey ([GM]Skadi is banning everyone in orders from ex-[ADM]Loki/Rebelo) mutted and banned a lot of people yesterday for bringing up these claims or simply by saying Loki wasn't good for the server and that it's a good thing he's no longer part of it.
That's SUS. Probably still working on the server in the background and just claiming he isn't, "stepping down" the same way a CEO does after a big scandal while secretly still having full board control.
Quote from: 2k2 on Nov 18, 2023, 11:03 AMThere have been Thor parties all day since day 1, and before there would be even 3 or 4 parties, but since the server is almost dead now, you mostly see 1 or at max 2 parties there.
idk what to say man, there is 3 right this second with ~6 other people on map waiting for people to leave or out of party damaging. I just explored the whole map because the elite spawned, something that I'll do quite often so its not like I'm guessing - I actually see the exact number of people on map on a regular basis.
There's far less of these cards than you seem to think and there was not some omega surge on the OCA day... they have just consistently hit market day after day
The server sucks. You don't need to make s*** up. There are literal infinite OCA's on the server, something that has happened on MANY previous servers and it is at the point of being an actual inside joke/meme with the larger guilds who seemingly always end up with infinite oca's. Despite it happening repeatedly it still happened *at least twice* on this server with an admin that clearly knows how to code, it was not an accidental oopsie.
Once again, as I predicted, [GM]Skadi got kicked/left the staff. After Rebelo/Loki left/got kicked, Skadi started issuing bans and mutes to ANYONE sh*t talking Rebelo/Loki (despite him taunting people nonstop since he left/got kicked the staff), but eventually she left/got kicked as well. [GM]Yuuf returned to the staff the same day she (and Rebelo/Loki) left. Rebelo/Loki also left the Discord server because literally EVERYONE in the server was nonstop trash talking him and the same happened [GM]Skadi/Peach the minute after she left/got kicked from the staff.
Here is a video about the OCA dupe abuse and the overall situation of the server (tldr: the market is OVER SATURATED with duped items, cards, extremely rare cards, miniboss/MVP cards and zeny):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJz1qjVWJoY
If you want to know more about it/dig deeper, one way is to directly contact the duper and ask him what happened. The exploit was known since the first Beta and an specific guild was aware of it but instead of duping it themselves knowing that would eventually get them permanently banned, they hinted/tipped off a small group of players about this so they could abuse it to benefit them (they were the ones directly buying all the good and rare cards), and after a few weeks they decided to report the duper to come out heroes of the situation.[/b]
Reminder that THERE WASN'T WIPE OR ROLLBACK. Everything generated through the dupings are all still in the server, including the thousands of cards the duper supplied to the server, hundreds of the good ones being to the group who found the dupe and indirectly abused it, all unpunished.
Quote from: 2k2 on Nov 27, 2023, 07:42 PMReminder that THERE WASN'T WIPE OR ROLLBACK. Everything generated through the dupings are all still in the server, including the thousands of cards the duper supplied to the server, hundreds of the good ones being to the group who found the dupe and indirectly abused it, all unpunished.
Alright I finally got banned so,
https://imgur.com/a/jUSUu7o
The GM's never checked logs for any of the exploits. Not the first one that lead to a wipe, not the 2nd one that input thousands of cards into the economy, not the 3rd one that duped everyones vends and not the 4th one that allowed for duping any consumable. The 5th and 6th dupes that are available on the server will be handled the same way. That is far too many dupes for a server to have without it being intentional.
Reborn, a prominent p2w member is on the server staff. Their guild has abused all of the above bugs and not a single member has been banned.
The admins changed their story and did not pay streamers/content creators, https://imgur.com/a/GqvSZMr
Its sad that these people have a chokehold on the game, the same admins & guilds are involved in 90% of pre-re servers. From my sleuthing it seems to be [ADM]CyberNeko and Reborn/Drew the ones financially benefitting from and making all of these decisions. Avoid them like the plague.
So, it's finally happening. Seems like this is final nail in the coffin of Midgard Legends.
Lots of turmoil, drama, confirmations and GMs/former GMs revealing things in the past 48h.
I highly suggest you all to read everything by yourselves to not have to trust me or think I made stuff up or whatever.
English chat (read everything from the past 48-36h): https://discord.com/channels/1124544485746016366/1130248826524024902
PvP chat (read EVERYTHING, there's not much to read): https://discord.com/channels/1124544485746016366/1179604299593031770
Br chat (the whole chat is relevant, but also gigantic, and not in english, thus you'd have to translate or understand everything there. From the beginning, lots of spicy things were revealed by the server staff, former server staff, streamers, guild leaders, RMTers, and the more blatant cases of the staff protecting Reborn attacking brazillians): https://discord.com/channels/1124544485746016366/1130241903246454915
Disclaimer: some screenshots of the Discord were done by me. DM screenshots were sent to me. In-game screenshots were sent by many different players.
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Player who recently quit the server and discord saying how toxic the environment was and how Midgard Legends staff/ADM (Cyberneko) allows p2w members to run wild with HOMOPHOBIA, RACISM, DISTASTEFUL "JOKES", and NONSTOP DIRECT/PERSONAL ATTACKS TO EVERYONE IN THE SERVER.
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Very revealing DM (truth or not, but the one revealing it was a prominent player in the server, was from [ADM]Loki/Rebelo's guild and a friend of his, also a known RMTer in the RMT community) discussing about [ADM]Cyberneko giving p2w members (especially Reborn) to break in-game and discord rules, attack people and do whatever they want with whoever they want, having special attention when it comes to suggestions and support tickets, and then the worse: admitting he sold 30 million zeny to Reborn early in the server and that p2w guild bought the Angeling Card from a russian player for 150 USD, and that some other items early on the server were also RMTed. He also reveals there is a big Telegram group for RMT (one of the same groups [ADM]Loki/Rebelo revealed in the discussion with another brazillian player in the screenshots of my very first post of this thread), consisting mostly of brazillians, americans and filipinos, created during OathRO's days and mostly frequented/used by p2w members and its clients. In case you forgot or hasn't seen this yet, [ CLICK HERE ] (https://i.imgur.com/UVJ8Yuw.png) for a reminder of Reborn admitting and explaining in details all of their RMT activities during OathRO.
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This shows the player has former [ADM]Loki/Rebelo on his Discord friend list.
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This was the final spark that started the mass discussions about the server's staff blatantly protecting and allowing p2w members (again, mostly Reborn) to attack other players and break their own server & discord ToS. In short: Reborn would constantly show up in the Br channel and taunt players, call them racial slurs (calling them monkeys or saying they live in a jungle), call himself "king of Brazil" and many players would obviously attack him back, just for [ADM]Cyberneko to mute and ban the players defending themselves from Reborn attacks instead of muting/banning the player attacking the people minding their own business.
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Some examples of the overall sociopathic behavior of members of this guild and how the server staff allowed them to run wild on discord doing whatever they can with zero punishment, while anyone talking back in a respectful manner would likely end up mutted or banned for "inciting drama".
A lot of the messages in the past 48h were deleted, but especially in the PvP chat, where this "Not a grill" discord user posted a lot of videos of p2w doing PvP while in voice channel calling people f****ng n*ggers", "disgusting monkeys", "stinky asians" and such. The videos were up for over 1 day without the staff doing anything about it, only when a lot of casual/unrelated players started questioning the staff why nothing was being done about it and linking/mentioning the server's and discord's ToS to show they were nonstop breaking the rules.
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Reborn talking about "PvP channels are never good" (due to drama inciting), when it literally was only his guild mates nonstop attacking people there with racial slurs, homophobic attacks and distasteful jokes.
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Ps: not english. Players discussing about how the server staff blatantly sided with p2w guild and allowed them to do anything on the server, including bug exploit abuse, rule breaking, actual real-life crimes such as racism, homophobia and even constantly doing "jokes" (it's what p2w members claim/defend themselves after people call them out for it) about dramatic themes such as gulag, slavery and more.
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Sane player lightening up Reborn and p2w members about their antissocial behavior, how cringy it is and how bad it makes the server and discord look for new players, as A LOT of people quit the server in the past 48h after p2w ran blatant on discord with racism, homophobia and distasteful "jokes". Attention on the reactions of this message and Reborn's response.
Ever since IslandGoGames / Orange (here on RateMyServer) got banned, it sparked a lot of discussions regarding RMT and how nobody other than him/her was banned, despite people in p2w (and many others who supplied to them) publicly admitting in the past 48h.
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All of the mocking reactions were done by p2w members.
LuckyBlackCat briefly became a GM yesterday but left the staff and now left the discord server as well.
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More of his typical bullsh*t making excuses for the corruption and lies his staff did.
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Former [GM]Skadi (former known corrupt [GM]Peach on Ragna4th and an active member of p2w guild) confirming about the OCA Duping incident and how [ADM]Cyberneko knew a big damage was done, thousands of cards injected into the market but told his staff to say it didn't affect the game and "only a few cards were sold".
There are a lot of messages from p2w members themselves in the past 24h admitting they bought hundreds of millions of zenies in exploitted cards before they reportted the exploitter. Reminder that they knew (no wonder why, they literally have/had corurpt server staff in their guild) about the exploit and were the ones who taught/hinted the russians in order for them to exploit for their guild, benefit from it, report them and come out as "heroes".
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This is a screenshot that proves that even massively rare cards were being sold for nothing, the server had 100+ of Odium/Maero/Dolor/Despero of Thanatos Cards (among the rarest Cards in the entire game, up there with MVP Cards in rarity).
As I talked to a lot of players and former players in the past 24h, I got to know about some game-breaking things in the game where people had been abusing since day 1, such as the server having a "Daily Attendance" system where it'd reward you with TRADEABLE OVERPOWERED ITEMS, enticing a lot of players to create multiple different accounts to farm the most overpowered of all the items, an item named "Blacksmith's Blessing" (https://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=re_item_db&item_id=6635) which makes your refine safe. Some people had dozens accounts just for this daily attendance to get this item and sell to other players or refine their items. The server has always been dead and small, not even having more than 200 players, but somehow, more than 3000 (!!!) Blacksmith's Blessing were supplied into the market that made +9 and even +10 items extremely common, as already seen in screenshots I posted here before.
And the last thing the staff added to the server, was a rather controversial system nobody asked for that solely benefitted p2w: a forced PvP map with infinite supplies where it would spawn a lot weaker versions of MvPs every 45min, and since p2w is way more geared than anybody else in the server due to their RMT activities, they were over 30 active members at any given time of the day, the highest level characters in the server (the server is harder to level than officials) due to exploits, and literally the only guild in the server, making them camp this map 24/7 since its inception.
PLEASE DO TRANSLATE AND READ EVERYTHING STARTING FROM THIS MESSAGE, A LOT OF REVEALING STUFF REGARDING RMT:
https://discord.com/channels/1124544485746016366/1130241903246454915/1180545482238464071
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- A lot of friends and guild members of former [ADM]Loki/Rebelo are revealing some of their activities and posting relevant links about the shady stuff that happened in the server, including the Angeling Card, the suspicions around it, why [ADM]Loki/Rebelo banned the player who "dropped" the Angeling Card right after he sold it to p2w (and no p2w members banned for buying the card for real money) and then left the server staff right after this.
- A link to a Ragnarok RMT website was posted there (not gonna post it here for obvious reasons).
- It was revealed that the server staff (mostly [ADM]Cyberneko], [ADM]Loki/Rebelo and [GM]Skadi) was nonstop hunting brazillian RMTers, including the GMs themselves disguising as potential buyers just to ban them, while never doing the same to p2w members RMTing since day 1.
- DM conversations of players looking to quit trying to sell their items and accounts for new players/potential buyers.
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- Names of unpunished p2w members who both, sold and bought items from brazillians were revealed.
From what was revealed here, it seems like there has been a RMT war between 2 major RMT groups: [ADM]Loki/Rebelo's guild (Yggdrasil Tree) and p2w, where both sides bought and sold items to/from one another and kept reporting one another as well, with [ADM]Loki/Rebelo working as a double agent, likely siding to whoever side benefitted ($$$$) him the most, despite having to tackle down his own guild mates.
I still believe that p2w is completely innocent for what it's worth. They are just a group of friends who are very good at RO and have no need or want to not play fair. They are literally the ones who found out about some exploits and exploiters and then reported them to the ADMIN team.
In my opinion, you have a great misunderstanding about what kind of people they are. I would suggest getting into a group chat with aaron and Reborn and talking this out, because we're not getting anywhere like this. If you want to we could probably arrange this and just open up to each other. I am completely serious about having a dialogue to sort this out.
Quote from: Nova on Dec 02, 2023, 04:35 PMThey are literally the ones who found out about some exploits and exploiters and then reported them to the ADMIN team.
"They reported their competition so they are the good guys" - Also I understand the hypocrisy as that's what I do sometimes, takes one to know one and all that. I know one when I see it.
Quote from: Nova on Dec 02, 2023, 04:35 PMIn my opinion, you have a great misunderstanding about what kind of people they are. I would suggest getting into a group chat with aaron and Reborn and talking this out, because we're not getting anywhere like this. If you want to we could probably arrange this and just open up to each other. I am completely serious about having a dialogue to sort this out.
They do not talk to outsiders, they default to "i dont care" as soon as you start talking about anything remotely serious. Unless you're losing to them in PvP they have nothing to say to you. They 'win' every server by having all the competition banned, exploiting, RMT'ing and blackmailing admins. They infiltrate server staff either joining it themselves or by buying people off.
Anyway as for the server when I messaged the admins in an attempt to clarify things like where the OCA npc came from he gave a non-answer. All he could say to accusations was "I will not doubt my own truth" which is doublespeak for "This is obviously a lie but I am sticking to it"
Also a few people added me on discord, to ask why I 'ruined the server' - Firstly ur getting gaslit by the admins secondly it was because freyr said I could give him 1 billion zeny to be small and it was too hard to farm that legit so I used the exploits that the admins implemented on the server. I thought thats what they were put there for, I was legitimately unaware that they were not meant to be used by players like me.
You know, those are some very serious accusations. I think you'll have to come with some very serious evidence to justify what you just said about p2w and Reborn.
Aish... We should really get into a discord call with all of us together and try to put an end to these rumors once and for all. Typing words on the internet is completely different from talking to each other on voice. I am confident we can clear everything up and who knows, we might even be friends at the end.
I hereby formally invite you to come and talk to us on discord groupcall. Please let me know if you are willing to do that and we will arrange for a time and place. It's all love in the end, because we are all part of the same community. /lv
Quote from: Nova on Dec 02, 2023, 09:16 PMI hereby formally invite you to come and talk to us on discord groupcall. Please let me know if you are willing to do that and we will arrange for a time and place. It's all love in the end, because we are all part of the same community. /lv
just add me on discord mate
Well for one, I am not Reborn. And like I said before, things are a lot different when you speak to each other using your own voice. I can assure you he's a pretty friendly person when you guys open up to each other. You just have to be willing to take that step and it's really not that scary. Just think of it like talking to buddies about RO. I'll make sure all your questions are answered and they WILL be answered, because there is nothing to hide. Please come to our call!
Edited my last reply; you have my discord add me buddy.
Anyways that is everything I'll post about the server; I am now playing on a server with 3rd jobs for the first time in my life and it is very fun. See you all around
Quote from: Orange on Dec 02, 2023, 10:15 PMEdited my last reply; you have my discord add me buddy.
Anyways that is everything I'll post about the server; I am now playing on a server with 3rd jobs for the first time in my life and it is very fun. See you all around
Will do! /no1
EDIT:
Ehm, I was just contacted by members of the group and they showed me some screenshots of... you? Did you really say these things?
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I don't really know what to make of this. If the person in that screenshot talking to Reborn really is you, then there is no misunderstanding here at all. You'd have simply been trolling everyone. I really dislike it when people are not being honest with me, so I really hope that is not you. If it's not you, then I apologize and we can just have our discord call as planned.
These recent replies are like a competition to see who can be the most retarded and make up the most s***. Do we trust Nova, the known troll, or Orange, some guy who foams so hard at the mouth with Reborn derangement syndrome that he actually believes p2w is capable of running a server?
ps. In actuality, this guild is no where as interesting as you all think they are. All they are is neckbeard tryhards with more people than everyone else, not supervillains. Just stop giving them attention and hopefully they'll leave us all alone so we can go back to our usual state of affairs.
Quote from: ForgotMyOldAccount on Dec 02, 2023, 10:58 PMOrange, some guy who foams so hard at the mouth with Reborn derangement syndrome that he actually believes p2w is capable of running a server?
ps. In actuality, this guild is no where as interesting as you all think they are. All they are is neckbeard tryhards with more people than everyone else, not supervillains. Just stop giving them attention and hopefully they'll leave us all alone so we can go back to our usual state of affairs.
I refuse to believe a group of people can be that pathetic. You will not convince me to doubt my own truth.
Quote from: ForgotMyOldAccount on Dec 02, 2023, 10:58 PMps. In actuality, this guild is no where as interesting as you all think they are. All they are is neckbeard tryhards with more people than everyone else, not supervillains. Just stop giving them attention and hopefully they'll leave us all alone so we can go back to our usual state of affairs.
Lol, has that ever worked? Besides, not giving proper attention to the matter would benefit them greatly (unfortunately, I expect the average player/server admin to forget about it in 3 months at most, if it ever crosses their minds). As for them being mere NEETs and nothing else, there are 9 pages of evidence against this and this is not the first topic about p2w, not here, not in other sites.
Had some chat Orange and while the guy absolutely is NO saint (admitted to dupe and exploit bugs, but claimed he didn't do any RMT, that part was made up by the server staff to use him as a escape goat to protect the actual RMTers, also, why would they ban him for RMTing but not whoever bought or sold to him?), he doesn't hide anything or try to pass as something he isn't.
EDIT:
https://discord.com/channels/1124544485746016366/1179726059814522940
[GM]Freyr/Matt of Homoshire trying really hard to make up an story about IslandGoGomes (Orange) being the big bad guy in the server, that he was the one who exploitted everything and RMT, that they're "investigating" whoever else was involved/benefitted from the RMT and even posted a direct conversation between him and IslandGoGomes, which is pretty scummy and low for a server staff.
Also funny how they're revising the "ToS they made" (they didn't though, they litearlly copied OriginsRO's ToS) as it's so complex not even they can work around it or understand, as a justification as to why no p2w members have been banning from the nonstop homophobia, racism and distasteful jokes.
@Orange
I actually went to check your claim about [GM]Freyr/Matt of Homoshire claiming to mute Reborn just to stop the discussiona nd you're right:
(https://i.imgur.com/bZtyS0M.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/EU3VgX8.png)
Timestamps.
Indeed, he claimed to have muted the guy but in reality he didn't, as Reborn was still able to send messages not even 30 minutes later.
Ps: why did you edit your post so many times and removed the part where you point out about [GM]Freyr/Matt lying about muting Reborn?
(https://i.imgur.com/eTNmnW7.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/aZoKeGN.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/2gMTu4h.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/egWhKf4.png)
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Yeah, he's the typical kpop weirdo you find in games these days.
Some more screenshots to show the kind of behavior p2w members act like.
Some members in p2w are teaching/revealing how to dupe and dropping/giving away dupped items.
(https://i.imgur.com/6HINhZM.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/EUlBOnh.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/X30fya7.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/xpVwFni.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/vwoz9Sh.png)
Notice the amount of Sword Guardian, Thanatos minions and +9/+10 gears this server which has less than 60 total online days has? Everything has been dupped since day 1, the staff knew, everybody knew p2w and the russians were dupping but nothing was done, meanwhile, the staff kept claiming everything was under control and no damage was ever been done through the many dupes over time, despite every p2w member running around on literal +10 gears.
Since they completely gave up on the server and already stopped, they're now mocking about their exploits and duping. A dummy discord account posted a screenshot showing a hoard of over 800 Blacksmith's Blessing (an item you could only get ONCE per unique account in the server) which was mass dupped to make all those +9 and +10 items.
(https://i.imgur.com/04QFS3L.png)
Ps: notice the 47 OCAs on the hotbar? There were still many thousands unused OCAs flooding the market.
Apparently this guy dropped all of the dupped items items while revealing what/how he did to dupe the items.
(https://i.imgur.com/sgoqiOo.png)
Random p2w member indirectly mocking the server claiming they have been "burning out" due to grinding too much. Lol
(https://i.imgur.com/aO7766G.png)
Posting this because @Orange simply uploaded instead of hosting on an image host. Only logged in users (less than 10% of traction) can see attached items.
No idea if this is real, but I wouldn't be surprised as I did hear about guilds or groups mass suggesting dumb server owners to add something and then hand/link them a broken code or script to be able to abuse it. Some people have been suggesting and claiming the OCA NPC has been this case on Midgards Legends.
Their Discord was locked and now the corrupt [ADM]Cyberneko gave an official statement.
(https://i.imgur.com/HmpLloM.png)
Sorry, but... Well I'm actually not sorry at all. You two keep saying p2w did this and p2w did that... I have read every single one of your posts over the years and I have seen exactly ZERO evidence of p2w members being involved in any type of cheating ever. Only random accusations and frankly just trolling.
I don't know why you two keep doing this. What has the group we ever done to you? It's sickening and it makes me want to leave this community altogether. The worst part is that people are going to read this thread and actually think the guild does bad stuff. God, I hate trolls.
Quote from: 2k2 on Dec 03, 2023, 05:42 PMPs: why did you edit your post so many times and removed the part where you point out about [GM]Freyr/Matt lying about muting Reborn?
I edit and re-edit posts simply to make them more palatable to readers, removing info I feel is irrelevant or will just drag things offtopic
It looks like the server is closing soon, this p2w drama will continue on another server another day. A final word of warning to all servers and players; the admins WILL code honeypots and try to get them on other servers. They will try to infiltrate other server staff. The guild will do this again to other servers. Not a single thing that happened on this server was unexpected in any way.
A server like this being up for a month should have cleared ~10k USD for p2w. I hope you guys read this, look at your pitiful <2k and realise you're actual amateurs at this game. I get it, too many cooks in the kitchen.
Alright you know what? I am so done with this! In my professional life, I specialize in making business deals with people. Let me give you a deal that should end this back and forth once and for all.
The deal:
If you can show us definitive proof of even ONE instance of p2w (the guild) actively engaging in illegal RMT (Real Money Trading), I will publicly apologize to you. Not only that, I will also DONATE $100 to any charity of your choosing no matter what it is.
Please.
Why do you even bother replying to the guy who was proven to be falseflagging as an innocent bystander, being a p2w member himself, back in his own topic about p2w and Payon Stories both here and on reddit? lol
Quote from: Orange on Dec 03, 2023, 11:17 PMp2w I claimed they would exploit this server before it even opened, I was called a liar, a s*** stirrer, a troll. The server staff and the entire guild vehemently denied everything I said, the admins gave them 'snitch hats' pretended to lightly punish some of them and paraded them as the saviours of the server - today now that they have lost interest they have owned up to it and are dropping duped items and doing their usual 'we won the server' routine.
If I was wrong at any point Neko could have come out and dunked on me in broad daylight streaming himself showing logs, he could have explained where the oca npc came from, they had 100 opportunities to elaborate things and they used all 100 to double down instead. When you have 100 people saying p2w exploited check their accounts and the gm response is 'we dont have the tools' its clear you guys are not even trying to hide it, that is an admission that its happening with a clear message of 'theres still casual players we can get money out of on the server'
Already linked the channel to this statement but decided to register a screenshot here because they will likely delete it after realizing that future damage that will do to them and the guild they protect so much:
(https://i.imgur.com/qkBCA1E.png)
Corrupt
[GM]Freyr/Matt of Homoshire trying really hard to blame all the bad and corruption to happen in the server to
Orange /
AppleGirl, claiming he's the one spreading 'false rumours' (I really don't understand how can they even claim about anything being false, as everything discussed in this thread has been supplied with proper evidence), RMTing and trying to destroy the server image. They're blaming him for things p2w and other groups have been abusing/exploiting since day 1, even goes to show the lack of professionalism and publicly leak a private conversation. Also, they once again here the 'OCA duping incident' was fixed and "no damage was done" despite yesterday alone duppers showed their stack of OCAs and stack of extremely rare cards, such as Thanatos minions, Sword/Archer Guardian etc, in numbers that would take YEARS for a server with 0.01% drop rate to accumulate, while this server has what? 45 total days? Plus, they claim it's hard for them to find the "RMTers who interacted with AppleGirl", despite the guy himself showing a lot of trade screenshots with p2w and russian RMTers in the server.
And about the 'Hunting Cap' for bug hunter/reporters, yes, that's something I've heard from many different people. The only players to receive such rewards were
ALL from p2w, despite them being the ones abusing and exploiting it. The staff probably tried to make them 'heroes' to clear their image and make them look legit, while other players and other groups had been reporting game-breaking bugs since day 1 and nobody ever received these items.
(https://i.imgur.com/Z9I63Ie.png)
And yes, most of the p2w clowns already left the Discord (check the white name) since that server is no longer giving them any money, they will move onto the next.
Quote from: Orange on Dec 03, 2023, 11:17 PM[...] this p2w drama will continue on another server another day. A final word of warning to all servers and players; the admins WILL code honeypots and try to get them on other servers. They will try to infiltrate other server staff. The guild will do this again to other servers. I no longer rmt on ragnarok, I moved onto other games please dont ban me if you see me on your server I just want to have fun. You dont have to believe everything I say but maybe next time I say 'this is going to happen' maybe at least prepare for it possibly happening.
This.
Dozens (hundreds?) of people warned them since before the server launched. People knew/saw there were p2w members (Reborn was one of them) Beta Testing the server but not the whole group were present on Discord at the time. About 3 days before the server launch, their whole guild joined the Discord and started spilling sh*t everywhere as usual, while a huge number of people showed concerns and kept pressuring the staff into preventing them from playing the server. Both, publicly and in direct conversations with the staff (dm or support ticket), everyone said what was going to happen in the server if they allowed that group to be part of it, yet the staff has always been adamant that they "knew p2w group, are aware of their acts and antics, and will keep close eyes to them", "first misstep or rule breaking from them will net in their permanent ban from the server", yet NONE of this was true, in fact, it was the opposite: not only they had been exploiting and abusing bugs since the server launch (as they had a big list of exploittable bugs from their OBT phase), but they were the main reason for the server wipe, and still, the staff kept treating them like good folks, heroes, saviors or whatever. They had been painting them as decent people that helps the community and such, even making official statements praising them for their 'bug hunting' (lol) works and thanking them for being in the server, despite their blatant RMT and dupping already being publicly at the time.
By the way, can you for f*ck sake stop feeding the troll? How stupid can you be to allow yourself to keep getting baited over and over again by the same known troll?
TO OTHER SERVER OWNERS: How much is your server is worth to you? What is the biggest number between 100s and 40-50? Are you willing to allow 40-50 individuals add in the number of your server at the cost of 100s over the next few days/weeks? Are you willing to risk (AND GUARANTEED LOSE) all your hard work out of greediness just to have a small surge of players? Because THAT IS going to happen if this guild joins your server and you allow it. Don't think things will be different in your server or that you will have a competent staff to handle them. Pretty much every server this guild directly or indirectly killed with their corruption, claimed to be aware and under control of the situation, just for p2w to still nonstop RMT from the day they start until the day the server dies. Things WILL NOT BE ANY DIFFERENT IN YOUR SERVER.
TO SERVER COMMUNITIES: If you ever see any of their members joining your Discord and starting to interact with it (meaning it's likely their next potential server), start warning your server staff of the dangers of having this confirmed RMT group, question and pressure them nonstop until they do something about it before it's too late. p2w WILL TRY (and probably succeed) into buying your server's staff onto their side and help them with their antics and corruption. If you allow such situation to go this far, it's probably already too late. Don't think that you as a single number (or your small group) doesn't have any say or power in your server. Show your concerns and sentiment for the server whenever necessary. Sadly, it's more up to us, the community, to work together into keeping it clean and expose the bad stuff, as server owners are more likely to go to the side of money and corruption. Servers exists only because you give it a chance, just like situations like this exists only because of greedine$$ of server owners. QUESTION EVERYTHING.
No one really can prevent anybody to join any server but competent staff that are not afraid to ban people for rule breaking will be sufficient enough to prevent this kind of abuse. Be fair to everybody and s*** like this can be prevented. Unfortunately, every server exist because of guild competition and 40+ active players joining a server is very appetizing especially if the server is new but that's not the reason why they can't play any server. Nonsense rumor's, unproven allegation means nothing if there is actually competent staff that knows what they're doing.
I'll say the owner + staff. Don't be afraid. Stick to your rules and vision. Learn from mistakes and move on. If something needs to be done to ban the entire guild; do it! don't hesitate if they're proven guilty. Its gonna be fine. Focus on what you want for the server and not these people want all the time!
Quote from: 2k2 on Dec 04, 2023, 09:42 AMtrying really hard to blame all the bad and corruption to happen in the server to Orange / AppleGirl, claiming he's the one spreading 'false rumours' RMTing and trying to destroy the server image. They're blaming him for things p2w and other groups have been abusing/exploiting since day 1, even goes to show the lack of professionalism and publicly leak a private conversation.
DARVO.
And yeah its sad seeing servers cave and guarantee limit their life to 1-2 more months to secure like 50 players. Midgard hit 400+ players, even if every single member of p2w was online 24/7 that's still nothing special. The reality is that hundreds of people pre-emptively dodged the server and hundreds quit over time because of them, meanwhile they had 5-10 online at any given time. They were maybe 3% of the population and that's AFTER their presence lowered the population.
The server would have made more money by just having a good playerbase and doing legitimate donations.
Quote from: Rayeth on Dec 04, 2023, 10:03 AMNo one really can prevent anybody to join any server but competent staff that are not afraid to ban people for rule breaking will be sufficient enough to prevent this kind of abuse. Be fair to everybody and s*** like this can be prevented. Unfortunately, every server exist because of guild competition and 40+ active players joining a server is very appetizing especially if the server is new but that's not the reason why they can't play any server. Nonsense rumor's, unproven allegation means nothing if there is actually competent staff that knows what they're doing.
I'll say the owner + staff. Don't be afraid. Stick to your rules and vision. Learn from mistakes and move on. If something needs to be done to ban the entire guild; do it! don't hesitate if they're proven guilty. Its gonna be fine. Focus on what you want for the server and not these people want all the time!
Not only server owners CAN prevent it but regular server players also can by refusing to play the server if such group joins (which is precisely what happened on Midgard Legends, as they literally traded at leat 4 or 5 groups of players to only 40-50 p2w members, which ended up being the doom of the server) and slowly killing it through player numbers bleed.
Greedy and corrupt server staff will always turn blind when baited by the pontential money they might gain, even at the cost of their server, community and integrity. TalonRO/Talon Tales (the one in your "Current Server") is the biggest case of pay-to-win and server corruption in RO history and they NEVER did anything to prevent the corruption despite their competency with server updates. They even blatantly side with guilds and individual players (whales) purely out of money.
Can a moderator please look at this thread and do something about it? This thread might as well be renamed; "Slander and False accusations against p2w, the guild."
/swt
This is seriously not okay.
I've been laying awake all night just feeling absolutely helpless. I think the only reason why these people are doing this is because of jealousy or because someone from p2w said something bad about them. Probably Reborn. And because of that, they are running this smear campaign.
Well guess what? Reborn doesn't represent the guild, okay? He's just one individual who happens to be a part of the group. You're going to hate the guild because of one person or because the guild is doing well?
STOP IT! /x /x /x
If you have an issue with one Samsung employee, are you going to leave a 1-star review for their new smartphone? It's almost the same thing. It's ridiculous and I hope moderators do what is right here.
Server's final statement:
(https://i.imgur.com/9gOROiX.png)
Once again they're trying to paint the guild they protected so hard as good, while urging people not to believe in the stuff everyone has been posting and discussing for months, claiming it's all "carefully crafted lies".
[ADM]Cyberneko, I ask you, if this is all personal vendetta against you or your server, then can you explain why you allowed p2w members to nonstop attack everyone on Discord and in-game with racism, homophobia and distasteful jokes? Those are all against your ToS and all actual real life crimes too, by the way. Few replies back and there's a screenshot of you clearly protecting Reborn attacking brazillians while you literally muted/timed out 3 different brazillian users that didn't break any of your rules while letting Reborn go when he broke several in the past few minutes. How would you explain that as "carefully crafted lies" or "personal vendetta" or whatever?
Your server is dogsh*t just like your staff is and you're all a bunch of corrupt individuals that deserves no second chances ever. I hope other actual decent admins get many of the ideas or features your server had and implement it on theirs, with proper testing and rebalancing, because many were actually decent ideas that could work under the proper staff, implementation and community.
So long, exposed corrupt a$$hole.
Quote from: Nova on Dec 04, 2023, 11:53 AMCan a moderator please look at this thread and do something about it? This thread might as well be renamed; "Slander and False accusations against p2w, the guild."
/swt
This is seriously not okay.
I've been laying awake all night just feeling absolutely helpless. I think the only reason why these people are doing this is because of jealousy or because someone from p2w said something bad about them. Probably Reborn. And because of that, they are running this smear campaign.
Well guess what? Reborn doesn't represent the guild, okay? He's just one individual who happens to be a part of the group. You're going to hate the guild because of one person or because the guild is doing well?
STOP IT! /x /x /x
If you have an issue with one Samsung employee, are you going to leave a 1-star review for their new smartphone? It's almost the same thing. It's ridiculous and I hope moderators do what is right here.
L O L
I had to make an account just to reply to this. P2w members come in two flavors - socially defunct sun avoiders like Reborn, and feeble PR apologists like yourself.
If you don't think Reborn should represent your guild then kick him out. That is how you avoid these problems. As is, he and many others spend their days building the reputation you see for p2w in this and many, many other threads.
Quote from: Beholder on Dec 04, 2023, 12:08 PMIf you don't think Reborn should represent your guild then kick him out. That is how you avoid these problems.
Well said. If you look at the ML discord it's full of p2w members crying about how they "didn't do anything" and others accusing them unjustly. While nothing can be traced back to the guild leader himself, if they as a guild genuinely wanted to clean their hands and stop being complicit in the harassment of other players and various scandals, they would start kicking some of the high profile ones or try to lay some ground rules? I, unfortunately, also know several people bullied out of the RO scene by them.
From my view, the fault is with ML staff.
1. Poor testing and bug issues / exploits.
2. Not enough moderating of player behavior in game and on discord.
3. Not banning / blacklisting players with repeated behavior issues.
Quote from: Nova on Dec 04, 2023, 11:53 AMCan a moderator please look at this thread and do something about it? This thread might as well be renamed; "Slander and False accusations against p2w, the guild."
/swt
This is seriously not okay.
I've been laying awake all night just feeling absolutely helpless. I think the only reason why these people are doing this is because of jealousy or because someone from p2w said something bad about them. Probably Reborn. And because of that, they are running this smear campaign.
Well guess what? Reborn doesn't represent the guild, okay? He's just one individual who happens to be a part of the group. You're going to hate the guild because of one person or because the guild is doing well?
STOP IT! /x /x /x
If you have an issue with one Samsung employee, are you going to leave a 1-star review for their new smartphone? It's almost the same thing. It's ridiculous and I hope moderators do what is right here.
You're joking right? IF p2w was not taking part in any of these things you would think they would kick those that do or that claim/poke fun that they do. As they are well aware of the rep they have gained over the years, if they were really innocent you would think they would do some "in house' cleaning to help fix the issue at hand. But of course you don't see that, just to same big mouth players, same ugly behavior, caught doing the same bug abusing with every server they jump too.
P.s: To those that have talked with Reborn and think "Oh once you get to know the guy he's pretty nice" He loves to manipulate people, will talk about you behind your back, and figure out a why he can use you to his advantage. Enjoy being a puppet /no1
Quote from: Shuchou on Dec 04, 2023, 02:15 PMYou're joking right? IF p2w was not taking part in any of these things you would think they would kick those that do or that claim/poke fun that they do. As they are well aware of the rep they have gained over the years, if they were really innocent you would think they would do some "in house' cleaning to help fix the issue at hand.
You are probably new if you think that's how they would operate lmao (or most guilds actually). From cheaters to literal pedophiles, anything is fine to have in the guild as long as you occasionally say "x does not represent our guild". /gg
It's impressive how Oathkeeper and more than half of the staff from ML reported suffering from mental health problems after having to deal with these people. I'm glad I listened to the warnings and didn't play there. If you look at a few of the messages in that discord you will understand how a small group of people can make a server unplayable with their attitude. There's no subscription model or legal protection for pserver players. Admins are free to kick this trash out of their server if it's to make it a tolerable experience for everyone else. In the end, ML refused to listen to any of the warnings and even defended them in their closing statement. It's at the very least highly suspicious they would watch their server burn down to the ground to protect these people.
Quote from: dahman on Dec 04, 2023, 01:15 PMplease dont stop those threads.
/ok
Worry not! There's still plenty of corruption to expose! This one should be EXTRA spicy too! (https://www.reddit.com/user/SteamKeyHunter/comments/vpd7m6/truth_about_talon_tales_formerly_talonro_private/)
Quote from: Devastate on Dec 04, 2023, 01:20 PMFrom my view, the fault is with ML staff.
In the big scheme of things, yes. It was their fault... for being corrupt, protecting and being lenient with guilds or individuals. It was their fault to allow everything scalate this far when they had been warned since before the server launch (page 2 of this thread with the screenshots of the conversation between tl22 and the server's staff regarding the future of the server, bugs, and everything p2w would be doing).
P2w members truly are something else. They really believe their higher ups are clean and aren't drowned in the s*** of the RMT scene:
(https://i.imgur.com/xPsNJyx.png)
Also casually admitting their guild was like 1/2 of the server's total players.
(https://i.imgur.com/cyOQxjD.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/feSWbdL.png)
This is their excuse for EVERYTHING Reborn does or say.
(https://i.imgur.com/r83M0Vt.png)
You read it right: they make a lot of
racist comments and "internal jokes", even
purposely sharing in the discord server seconds-long clips of them
mocking and bad-naming people of color, asians or people living in third-world countries, but "it's all a joke, we're not really racists".
This shows that you should take whatever anyone from this guild/group says with a pinch of salt, as
there's always an excuse or explanation for all the bad stuff they're constantly spilling everywhere, especially when they're called out for it. They're starting to reach fanaticism-levels of delusion and acting like a cult,
despite everything shown here on this thread and many others over the years. Their RMT actitivies has been exposed for years but their newbie/lower guild members blindly believe in whatever their higher ups tells them.
Some more screenshots that surfaced about the duping, RMT and blatant bug abusing:
(https://i.imgur.com/qpNN3MW.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/9HoxMx3.png)
Yet the server staff kept claiming "it's hard/nearly impossible to track the RMT in the server, we only caught AppleGirl (who didn't RMT btw, he just bug exploitted A LOT)" and then tried to blame him for all the RMT that happened in the server.
(https://i.imgur.com/5Qij8sL.png)
SOURCE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNxC317wqw0 - I downloaded the video for safety purposes and will reupload if ever taken down or made private.
(By the way,
yC, please add embeds for YouTube links)
(https://i.imgur.com/3epA6PL.png)
For those that never messed with/tested/are curious of the results of 100% damage resistance.
And this is how:
(https://i.imgur.com/wmk0vMr.png)
REMINDER: 3 years in development.
One of the server's (brazillian?) streamers had a last livestream mostly discussing about everything that happened, the corruption, the p2w involvement with the staff, corruption and RMT, the streamer team, the treatment and promises they got and about [ADM]Loki/Rebelo.
The viewer list was juicy: other
Midgard Legends streamers (all sh*tting on the staff),
Loki/Rebelo and apparently somebody else on his other account (2 different accounts of him and both were interacting: "
MestreRebelo" and "
RebelosPlanetGeek"),
ataldaovelha (formerly known as "
Sheep" by the brazillian WoE community)
server owner of RagnaTales,
ADM Ornestein from Project Return to Morroc,
russians RMTers/exploitters,
brazillian RMTers/exploitters,
p2w RMTers/exploitters.
(https://i.imgur.com/VSilZEi.png)
SOURCE: https://twitch.tv/saikyoba - still streaming, and still no past transmission VOD, thus I can't download the VOD to save it for safety purposes. I'll record the full time during this with the twitch chat included when he's done streaming.
(https://i.imgur.com/Pfjyk5w.png)
[ADM]Loki/Rebelo: "I'm here for the drama! People think I'm mad about the server's end? Haha. I don't need RO private server money haha"
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[ADM]Loki/Rebelo: "Until my last day as a staff, everything was on the track. I was surprised to know he "didn't know", when I have been talking to him for weeks regarding a monetary value for the streamers"
Here some users had been asking about the streamer pay drama roaming the brazillian community, and then some other streamers also decided to talk this out since now the server is dead: They promised some amount of money (+ a cut from donations using their code) for streamers in exchange for a minimum of total weekly streaming time but never actually paid them anything. Apparently, [ADM]Loki/Rebelo was the one in charge to handle the streamers and firmed the "contracts" with every single one of them, with [ADM]Cyberneko giving the pass with the numbers agreed. Since [ADM]Loki/Rebelo left before the first pay day, the streamers never received anything, but continued to work with the server in the hopes of someday getting paid. Since last week and the server's getting close to an end, the streamers had been pressuring the staff to pay what they're due, with the staff refusing to, claiming none of them filled the agreed minimum weekly time and that "no one used their donation code". One of the streamers, after A LOT of struggle, managed to receive only meres 10 US dollars for WEEKs (over 100 total hours) of work and then got kicked from the streamer team. [ADM]Cyberneko then contacted them and decided to pay them... except it wasn't in real money, he paid them with in-game cash points to spend on costumes, which was never agreed on in the first place.
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[ADM]Loki/Rebelo and other streamers confirming to users they paid the streamers with in-game Cash.
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Some streamers saying they feel cheated, and people telling them they should look for their rights.
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[ADM]Loki/Rebelo claiming he was the one to expose the scam the streamers were falling in, with receipts and documents, and offers himself to help out any of the hurt streamers as he will provide them everything they need to take legal (lol?) actions against Midgard Legends/[ADM]Cyberneko.
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[ADM]Loki/Rebelo saying he's on the streamers' side and the chat discussing about allowed RMT x not allowed RMT. Please just use your phone and Google Lens it for translation.
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[ADM]Loki/Rebelo saying he helped "aamandamarcondes" (another brazillian streamer) get paid, he also says that [ADM]Cyberneko and [GM]Yuuf changed the program/agreement he made with the streamers without talking to him (while he was still in the server staff) or the streamers. "aamandamarcondes" says she warned the other streamers in the streamer's chat group to warn them about the scam.
This server is like a never-stop-sh*tting-a$$. The pile of sh*t keeps piling on and on. Seems like even more is surfacing now the server is finally in the grave.
Alright, seems like the video was already made private, so I'll be reuploading it and edit this post with a new link.
@EDIT:
Here it is: https://youtu.be/YCD8995ByWU
Video of players mocking about the server having bugged enchanted on gears, allowing you to reach damage immunity to specific races or elements.
This explains how p2w has been able to do Bio3 MVPs in Badlands (pvp-flagged open map with pvp mechanics, small damage reduction and no teleport allowed) in the middle of a pvp havoc, tanking with ANY character, including 1/1 Novices.
I think ML made the same mistake Oathkeeper did. They allowed a permissive server and community culture. It's unhealthy and it usually does escalate.
If people acted that way on PS we would just warn/ban them. On occasion we get complaints that our moderating is 'too heavy', but the people that call this server home like the clean atmosphere we have created.
Quote from: Saika911 on Dec 04, 2023, 02:54 PMIt's impressive how Oathkeeper and more than half of the staff from ML reported suffering from mental health problems after having to deal with these people. I'm glad I listened to the warnings and didn't play there. If you look at a few of the messages in that discord you will understand how a small group of people can make a server unplayable with their attitude. There's no subscription model or legal protection for pserver players. Admins are free to kick this trash out of their server if it's to make it a tolerable experience for everyone else. In the end, ML refused to listen to any of the warnings and even defended them in their closing statement. It's at the very least highly suspicious they would watch their server burn down to the ground to protect these people.
You nailed it perfectly. Couldn't have said it any better. Probably the cleanest response and opinion/fact in this entire thread.
People love to joke around and make fun of the situation and some still think people are exaggerating or making up stuff. The reality is what matters, and the results are there to show what's real and what's not: you're correct in your statement that server's staffs of previous servers this guild played on all says they got mentally ill and needed to step out from the internet for some time and seek help after dealing with this guild. This is nothing to joke or laugh about. It's like they're the closest real thing to that common say "you gave me cancer", since everyone that handled them had mental health issues for some time after.
But at the end of the day, it's the servers staff's own fault to allow this situation to happen in the first place. This guild has been doing this for years already, they have a confirmed history and modus operandi, they're not changing or "playing by the rules" on your server or anything. They will do what they have always done and the only way for you to stop it (and save your own server and community), is to fully prevent them from playing your server by pre-emptively instantly ban them as soon as they create an account or join your discord. And even if they come up with VPN and aliases/fake accounts, they can't hide their nature and who they really act by just the way they act in-game, in competition and on discord, making it obvious and easy to track them.
Quote from: 2k2 on Dec 04, 2023, 02:58 PMHere it is: https://youtu.be/YCD8995ByWU
Video of players mocking about the server having bugged enchanted on gears, allowing you to reach damage immunity to specific races or elements.
LMAO. Sorry but that is too funny, dancer new best tank.
Quote from: Devastate on Dec 04, 2023, 03:04 PMblah blah Payon Stories shilling
Why do you Payon Stories GMs feel the need to always give your opinions on everything like you're some beacon of light in the RO community when you yourselves have one of the most active RMT markets, are simultaneously one of the most dead and infrequently updated servers, and also have the very same guild active and running around being menaces?
I wonder which server they are migrating this time. /heh
Quote from: 2k2 on Dec 04, 2023, 02:58 PM@EDIT:
Here it is: https://youtu.be/YCD8995ByWU
Video of players mocking about the server having bugged enchanted on gears, allowing you to reach damage immunity to specific races or elements.
Implementing random option feature on pre-renewal server is the worse bulls*** i ever seen.
Passerby here. I haven't played RO in over a decade. Maybe more. I didn't know or care to know who p2w was. I simply saw a video on YouTube about Midgard Legends and figured it's winter, I could revisit an old classic. Rates, custom stuff, all seems great. I spent a month playing and having fun. The custom content was fun and the people great.
However I slowly started to see how the community was warping from happy, to frustrated and angry at the mere sight of p2w. I had to come here and read this thread to learn how much hate this group has garnered. I don't care to look up the history but the times I interacted with p2w people on the Midgard Legends server proves to me that the hate is well deserved. They are ignorant, aggressive, hive-minded a****** who will go out of their way to make the fun of others go away. That alone in my mind should be enough reason for them to be ranged banned on all servers, IP's etc. because these are private servers.
I also see a lot of the posts here fueled with hate and pure speculation. Someone has great gear? Exploiter. Someone had millions of zeny? Exploiter. Guild ran ET in < 1 month time? Exploiter.
Fact is I wouldn't doubt these p2w guys a second to abuse everything they can for a small advantage. They are not human. They are a group of sociopathic manchildren who would probably easily drop real money just to s*** on the noobs". Their discussions in every field of the ML discord proved to me that there is merit in all of the posts here and that they are a guild you should never allow on your server if you want it to last. They were the ones to abuse the homonculi leveling on day 1 and caused a server wipe. They were the ones to find a bug on the ore healing. They reported these two things because they realized they would be easy for others to find. Meanwhile leaving harder glitches hidden, as I'm sure they were well aware of them.
As for +9 gear, that was Neko's mistake. He added Blacksmith Blessings into the monthly attendance rewards. It's the thing that protects your gear when upgrade. Also they didn't seem to monitor at all how many accounts were created. Even IslandGoGames, aka Orange here, admitted in game that he made 10's of accounts just to get multiple rewards. When he discovered the duping he most likely stopped doing that. Damage he did to the server was massive. He's not a good guy at all but his hatered for p2w is what makes most people side with his antics and listen to him. No one wants to listen to p2w and as a returnee to the game and community, I see why. They seem to be apologetic and have a victim complex as soon as bad PR is shun their way but have no issues s*** on others and letting bigoted mentally ill people into their ranks. No shame.
So in short: ML was a fun server. There were more legit players than not. The staff is not prepared to handle the rapid self obsessed and frankly mentally unstable community that is RO private server hoppers. You guys are insane. It's a private server yet you treat like what you achieve there as some kind of trophy. None of you helped beginners. None of you big guilds tried to form communities. There were literally ZERO guilds recruiting and ZERO people helping people like me. You felt this pressure to never ask help in the Discord because p2w clowns would instantly mock you or you just simply got ignored.
I don't know if this is due to a big BR presence or Russian presence but English speaking players had a hard time finding their place. All guilds on ML were pre-made and formed before the server even started making the server hostile. Most beginners left once they realized all the server had was Thor3 leveling and weeklies and nothing to do bug run Mi Gaos, Anubis, Stalactices and straight into Thor till level 99. Insanely boring experience. There were no guides for the custom content on the website but shallow explanations and normal quests that required groups never had people shouting for them. You felt lost on this server if you weren't a player who played this every year since 2004. So much to do, no time and meanwhile while most of us had basic +4 gear there were people running around with +9 hunting spears, +9 Tidals and Wools etc. and you felt nothing but "why should I bother?".
The world felt empty. People were hidden in episode 13 maps since week 1. Cards, items, were not farmed. Weeklies / dailies gave all the potions you'd need and the balance changes only seemed to bolster Hunters/Snipers and made Supernovices a broken class. Every good farming map had a Supernovice instant casting bolts and farming nonstop with a cart. Every vendor was a supernovice. They were even in Thor3 with Siroma cards. It was stupid. We told them and were ignored. SD from Sin seemed broken. People suggested so many things and it was all ignored. All of it.
However as last words I'll say that the staff aren't evil. They don't seem corrupt but they do seem to protect p2w players a lot, saying they didn't seem to exploit anything when we know they did and they admitted to it. However they must've been doing something in order to get so high so fast without any explanation. I think p2w is such a dirty f*** group with a history that if they get accused they need to defend themselves. You're repeat offenders. You don't deserve 2nd chances or 3rds without proving your innocence first. These tears on this forum are a pathetic attempt in my eyes to try and wash away your bad reputation. Even a returnee can see you guys are scum beyond scum.
I believe in 2nd chances but there are some who will never get better and you have to give up on them. Simple as that.
Quote from: CVantes on Dec 04, 2023, 04:43 PMHowever as last words I'll say that the staff aren't evil. They don't seem corrupt
My "p2w drama serves as deflection from GM corruption" theory continues to be proven right, I see. /ok
These guys were obviously corrupt from the start. Brazilians even tried to warn you of their history. But even if you didn't trust their word, after the NASA memes and "5000 years of Origins GM experience" etc. the writing was on the wall for anyone who isn't completely braindead. That's it, that's all you need to know this server's staff was full of liars and corrupt sacks of s***.
Never corrected themselves, never apologized, never fired Loki
instantly upon getting exposed (instead he "voluntarily" left because of "mental health"
long after the first exploits came to light that they also lied about with "zero impact" memes), etc.
Instead we had the lying sack of s*** luckyblackat running damage control 24/7, basically just saying "oh well i don't know anything about that, i was just relaying what i was told teehee, anyway let's change the topic", the same rat who claimed for months that he was "just a player now" while whiteknighting this GM team and damage controlling in RMS, only to suddenly become GM again later into the servers life. Funny things.
It's one thing to not care about corruption/exploits, I personally know many players who take it in stride and are just kinda "eh whatever as long as I get fun out of the server", but actually simping for these sociopaths and believing they are innocent angels? Lmao. /heh
Even if you want to believe the most good-faith cope narrative that goes something like "poor innocent Neko just fell in with the wrong crowd (Loki)!", they would still be complicit in corruption since they never fired that psychotic, pathological liar. /hmm
Quote from: 2k2 on Dec 04, 2023, 02:55 PMMassive Text
just dropping by as my name was mentioned in the post. The streamer Saikyoba shown on the post actually migrated to Return to Morroc today after Midgard Legends burnt down, he wasn't calling me anything or whatever. (Do keep in mind RMT and RTM are very similar sounding/reading).
Regardless, good luck to everyone involved. I have no horse in this race but overall its a sad situation for everyone mentioned.
Quote from: admornstein on Dec 04, 2023, 05:17 PMjust dropping by as my name was mentioned in the post. The streamer Saikyoba shown on the post actually migrated to Return to Morroc today after Midgard Legends burnt down, he wasn't calling me anything or whatever. (Do keep in mind RMT and RTM are very similar sounding/reading).
Regardless, good luck to everyone involved. I have no horse in this race but overall its a sad situation for everyone mentioned.
Not a fan of you or your server but I'll admit this post was absolutely GOATed. /no1
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Quote from: Herpderp on Dec 04, 2023, 05:19 PMNot a fan of you or your server but I'll admit this post was absolutely GOATed. /no1
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You can call me whatever you wish, or dislike me on a personal level, but I'm always honest and willing to answer anything about any subject, if properly asked and discussed with.
I do believe being 100% transparent is the correct way to handle a server. Even if it does come as a negative. I hate PR speak.
And yes, Rebelo is a fraud. to this day he is claiming to be the savior who was wronged by the rest of the staff.
Quote from: CVantes on Dec 04, 2023, 04:43 PM[...] It's a private server yet you treat like what you achieve there as some kind of trophy. [...]
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In fact, it is the case with this guild. They take great pleasure in claiming they "destroyed" a server and says they will do the same on the next.
Quote from: CVantes on Dec 04, 2023, 04:43 PM[...] There were literally ZERO guilds recruiting and ZERO people helping people like me. You felt this pressure to never ask help in the Discord because p2w clowns would instantly mock you or you just simply got ignored. [...]
I'm sorry you went through this. I'm the kind of player to always try to help as much as I can as, especially when I know the player is new or returning after a long time. Sadly, this is kind of what it is with most RO communities these days. In almost every server you play, unless you already start with a group, you gonna have a hard time finding people to play with or feeling welcome in any guild that may take you in.
As for the Discord part, if that really was what happened, then that really is f*cked and shows the server staff really was giving them a pass for everything. Sh*tting on newbies for just trying to learn the game and asking questions? That's a good and quick way to kill your server, by denying new blood from joining.
Well written post.
I wish more people, and especially outsiders/those who weren't part of any guild or took part in any of the exploits or bugs or drama in the server,
would create an account and give their opinion on the whole matter as the more people talking about this, the better scope we'd get from the entire situation.
Quote from: Herpderp on Dec 04, 2023, 05:06 PMMy "p2w drama serves as deflection from GM corruption" theory continues to be proven right, I see. /ok
These guys were obviously corrupt from the start. Brazilians even tried to warn you of their history. But even if you didn't trust their word, after the NASA memes and "5000 years of Origins GM experience" etc. the writing was on the wall for anyone who isn't completely braindead. That's it, that's all you need to know this server's staff was full of liars and corrupt sacks of s***.
Never corrected themselves, never apologized, never fired Loki instantly upon getting exposed (instead he "voluntarily" left because of "mental health" long after the first exploits came to light that they also lied about with "zero impact" memes), etc.
Instead we had the lying sack of s*** luckyblackat running damage control 24/7, basically just saying "oh well i don't know anything about that, i was just relaying what i was told teehee, anyway let's change the topic", the same rat who claimed for months that he was "just a player now" while whiteknighting this GM team and damage controlling in RMS, only to suddenly become GM again later into the servers life. Funny things.
It's one thing to not care about corruption/exploits, I personally know many players who take it in stride and are just kinda "eh whatever as long as I get fun out of the server", but actually simping for these sociopaths and believing they are innocent angels? Lmao. /heh
Even if you want to believe the most good-faith cope narrative that goes something like "poor innocent Neko just fell in with the wrong crowd (Loki)!", they would still be complicit in corruption since they never fired that psychotic, pathological liar. /hmm
Meme's are meme's. I'm only giving my 50 cent from the point of view of someone who hasn't been involved with the scene 24/7 for the past 10 years. I don't have that kind of time and to expect that is rather dumb. When I read this thread it had a ton of specualtion, "loose" screenshots with no real actual way of me confirming what you're saying is true. A lot of expectation to know who people here are, who they were and what they are now. It's not enough for me to judge someone based solely on some forum goers word. You'd have to be dumb to take everything said here as truth just because someone said it.
Like I said, I'm giving my perspective. How this all looks like. I don't really care the depths of these people and their lives.
This whole thread is obsessive over people and their past. Making massive claims who they are and who they were with a few screenshots here and there. Even without this backstore of Loki guy, he seemed out of rails from day one. He was instantly acting like a moron and fluffing his feathers. Felt like you couldn't say anything about him and his ways without getting banned. When he was booted from the game I think a lot of us felt a relief. He wasn't good for the community and I believe a lot of you, including Orange here, are not good for the community.
Orange came to the server. Exploited the s*** out of it and apparently told GM's he needs a special seat at the GM table or something for his exploits. Same thing with the p2w people. They don't do anything out of the kindness of their heart or the measure of their character. If they don't get their way, aren't listened to, well they abuse the living s*** out of the bug to "show them they should've". Antisocial behaviour and I believe most if not all private server seem to be like this. Stupid backdoor discussions. Blackmail. Money changing hands. All of it is just so disgusting. All because you emulate a server. f*** hell. Get some real jobs and stop abusing this old game for some petty cash.
I've never felt so disgusted by a "community" as this one. Petty. Angry. Resentful. Schizophrenic about everyone and anyone included. There's a massive amount of baseless claims in this very thread that don't have absolute solid evidence.
Warning signs? The server didn't fall because the GM was corrupt. It fell because the GM was incompetent and glitches got abused. You're saying that without people like Orange these glitches were some kind of honey pots and all this stuff and I must admit that sounds like it could be true but without having played 100's servers that all fall eventually, I wouldn't know. I don't mingle with this community and honestly, I don't want to. I do however have had some fun following this whole thing from day one and it's stuff like this that makes me happy there are far better games out there to play.
Most of this thread is opinions, opinions with sprinkles of evidence that all point to glitches and bugs and one guy shouting that it's a RO Mafia behind it all. I've said enough though.
Quote from: CVantes on Dec 04, 2023, 06:11 PMI'm only giving my 50 cent from the point of view of someone who hasn't been involved
There are multiple staff members in real life depressed, that have gone to the doctor, paid money for treatment. Then they say doubled down repeatedly on the same stuff - They're either lying or sadists, in both cases you should not feel bad for them.
Might I suggest coming up with new strategies to gaslight people? The 'idk anything im a newb 3rd party and heres my take that is trying to lay the groundwork for their next server to not be boycotted' has been used by several staff and players alike already.
Quote from: CVantes on Dec 04, 2023, 06:11 PMOrange came to the server. Exploited the s*** out of it
Servers closed now so I can own up fully,
This is a baseless claim. I played on the server legitimately for 30 days, doing absolutely nothing but helping newbies as thats what I find fun. I invite the admins to leak their database and point to where I exploited. The 200m zeny I had was from friends(newbies i helped, housemates) quitting and my own personal grinding - I played about 6 hours daily for weeks myself too. There isnt a shred of evidence I had 800m zeny, Reborn randomly claimed I had that much in an effort to get me banned and I thought it would be funny to see if I could get banned without breaking a server rule. Call me delusional or schizo but that to me is hilarious, banning the guy that spends his time crafting arrows and making quivers for people free of charge because their arrow crafting skill was bugged over the guy using slurs and proudly proclaiming he is a server killer. It is simply funny to me to watch people shoot themselves in their own foot after I beg them not to handle guns. I did not rmt, I did not exploit, I invite anyone to refute this.
All I did was trigger p2w into playing their 'we won the server routine' out earlier than they initially planned. I simply had to imply I know something they don't and say I was going to beat them in WoE, they threw a fit and broke all their own toys. I'm old and tired, I just want to play games for fun. Servers with known RMT admins, an abundance of RMT posts with an RMT guild on them that don't even use some of that money to properly pay content creators they promised money to simply do not deserve to exist. Am I a bad person for that? I don't care, I'm playing WoW discovery now.
If Neko ever reads this; pay your content creators twice what you initially promised. You can easily afford it, they honestly deserve more for eating a hit to their reputation and putting effort into your dumpster fire.
ps I am not good computer, how do I embed images so people not logged in can view my memes?
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Just want to point out that my name is Hong and I was raiding with Xernobog=2k2=Cvantes in ML. (I suspect 2k2=Cvantes)
This guy had a fundamental hatred for p2w which I wasn't able to understand until I saw this thread.
Posting our private group chat only exposes who this person is. I thought he was a cool person with a weird ptsd hatred for p2w but was disappointed to find this post.
This guy is delusional with his crazy accusations. I am ashamed that I have been associating with this psychopath.
I hope he gets some help. Take care all.
Quote from: dookie booty on Dec 04, 2023, 06:41 PMJust want to point out that my name is Hong and I was raiding with Xernobog=2k2=Cvantes in ML. (I suspect 2k2=Cvantes)
This guy had a fundamental hatred for p2w which I wasn't able to understand until I saw this thread.
Posting our private group chat only exposes who this person is. I thought he was a cool person with a weird ptsd hatred for p2w but was disappointed to find this post.
This guy is delusional with his crazy accusations. I am ashamed that I have been associating with this psychopath.
I hope he gets some help. Take care all.
RMS doesn't allow users to use multiple accounts or ban evasion.
And by "raiding with" and "associating", are you implying we were playing together? I hope you're not implying I played this dumpsterfire? Even though joining the discord server is free and instant, I still didn't had a discord account there after leaving the day before the launch.
As for the rest of this response, it clearly shows you didn't read anything in the thread and probably is just shooting in the dark in the hope of hitting a target, otherwise you'd have realized that I posted an uncensored screenshot including Xernobog in a chat where I got consent to. Also, other than mentioning [GM]Skadi/Peach as a known corrupt GM in the brazillian community and member of p2w, I wasn't firing at this guild at first, so no idea where you're getting the "ptsd hatred" from. I did started to fire at them after it was made clear the staff was working with them.
I welcome the attempt and traction though, thank you.
@EDITJust realized. Nice 1 post new account. I wonder from which guild you are. /heh
I just can't believe yall are grown ups with jobs, life outside of the game and sometimes family/childen, seriously what's wrong with all of you?...
Just look this post and reddit from day one, the server just won the jack-pot of weirdos or maybe that's most of the RO community left, from a team of people doing things from fun to passion in their free time, there was soo much drama everywhere, I would go to sleep everyday and wake to another problem.
There is a bunch of factors that contributed for the server going up and falling, first it was a hella small server, I still think my reddit post might have been a mistake, we got soo many people from it... and we clearly were not ready at all for it, as a first server/experience it was simply too much. The other ones that come to my mind are:
- Internal staff problems, with people that lied and caused soo many problems since the first reddit post, burned bridges with a bunch of other servers/people and now claims it's an inno, when there is more then enough proof on chats about his behavior and literaly other adm/owners confirming that lots of things claimed from other servers is not true, while even after leaving made sure to talk bad stuff to everyone and manipulate people as usual, then try to sue people and act like no problems were his fault, lol.
- Insane people that kept more updated and invested in the server then even myself, checking on it 24/7 for anything to post to talk s*** about the server like his life depends on destroying this server or he is some type of hero, using a bunch of info mixed with misinformation for whatever reason to increase the flame, no really, tons of info you share I still don't get how you would even know or have proof for something like that, like I said before, I was there and I don't even know some details on some things, while using hours and hours to format a post to look prettier then some people that do it as a job (gotta give you that, the posts look hella clean).
- A bunch of fake people that act goodie goodie in paper, but behind the scene are just there to cause chaos, make fun of others, be an a****** in general, but this is a thing for every game/community/people, but still, sucks.
- Lot's of alts and exploiters that just exploit for whatever they want, being it rmt/money/greed, or for fun/chaos, or just to mock the server or destroy it, this week I heard soo many people say "my friend" or that "guildmate" exploited, like, if you gonna protect or hide those friends, this is as bad to me, what's the whole point of the server then, what's the point of YOUR experience and grind, soo weird.
- Multiple adults that can't have a ping of respect for others and act with maturity, being it players dealing with others on fields for silly stuff such as KS, or guilds fighting each other, just grow up, yall look soo stupid cursing and saying soo many terrible things to each other over a 20yo game... While it's natural to have competition and get heated (I played league of masters-grandmaster elo I know very well how people can be heated), banter and rivalry can be fun if controlled, after crossing the line to just humiliation, harass or curses, it become hella lame and just kills competition, instead of being soo radioactive to others, be more humble and positive, that's how you can grow and entice more people to join in, do pvp/woe and have fun, acting the opposite way will just make less and less people interested and more and more of that game aspect will die overtime.
- Greed/RMT/Money, this is the usual things that will never be solved and will always ruins servers, for anyone that bought stuff, was it worth? Did you learn anything? Stop buying things for RMT, you just keep feeding people to live off a 20yo game and help ruin the server/economy, even worse, you make people look for exploits just to sell to people like you, just stop, play for fun if you don't have time play high rate, idk.
- Lack of prep, time and clearly skills from EVERYONE in the staff, being it human skills or game skills, that ended up overun with stress from life, and problems on the server inside and outside, lack or direction and tools to deal, detect and act on the problems as they showed up, lack of people to moderate constantly the server which got even worse as interal drama lead to people leaving, lack of protocols and organization to deal with things, and this is all due to simple lack of experience and from a bunch of casual random folks that tried to group up and make something cool/new for FREE, lack of testing and checklist for things, in conclusion, lack of knowledge/experience.
- The foundation is also to blame, we started this and it was too corporal, too official, from the rules to the communication, we failed on understanding that early due to how the staff worked and was planned, it was clearly a huge mistake, if you are a server/free/friendly and don't have the budget to pay testers/gm/cm no one will have or keep a moral/sanity to work 24/7 on this, soo we should have been more relaxed, been more open, talk to your players, and ban/act more based on common human sense, we tried to find rules for everything, that was a huge shot in the foot, should have just banned/muted and that's it.
- Soo much lack of emphaty from almost EVERYONE here, seriously, you all need therapy and some friends/love in life, and sun, instead of making soo many problems, why don't yall just, talk, literaly we could have done calls, showed more about the team, the server, us, what's going on, instead look at this s*** storm, people exploit, reveal, ruins the server for a bunch of people (not only the "corrupt" staff and the personal vendeta vs p2w), then wonder why people dislike them or they got banned, I have no idea if they exploited, I'm no dev, but you doing it, is the same s***, does not make you a single bit better (does not matter if you played or "helped" people, you are still doing damage as well by exploiting and giving people zenys, even worse because you just treated everyone you "helped" as freaking idiots for trusting you lol, it's really f*** up behavior and hella manipulative) really, when you could just have instead of showing your dupes or whatever, showed their dupes and gotten they banned.
If anything this showed me how bad the bad side of RO can really be, for any future server owners, be aware and use this post to learn, popularity will lead to problems, have proper tools before the server open to deal with things and ask other veteran devs for help or suggestions on what to expect from bugs/exploits and how to deal with them.
But at the same time I had the chance to meet some really cool people and make some awesome friends, enjoy the game, grind with them and have fun, I got the chance to know better a lot of devs/gms/cms from other places and hear their experiences/stories.
I dunno what will happen in the future, while I still hope ML can fix everything and be ready for a relaunch, I personally just gonna keep playing other servers and chilling around while playing other games with friends as I always did, I just think this post has become a negative-poop-trash fiesta and we are at the point people are not even talking about the server, but just free hate on each other, I seriously hope yall can take a break and think of yourselves and others, and try to reach each other and find peace in your lives or something, feels like there is a bunch of things simple unsolved/vendetas, and it's a freaking 20yo game, the community is small, there is no reason to be this fragmented or have this much hate, maybe in another 10-20y when we are all either dead or over 50yo we can have a cool oldgangRO roleplay server where all dedicated ro players will meet and discuss their past history on RO, but in all serious, is there any way to have more love, peace and maturity instead of this?
Sorry for the language, yall have a good day or something
Quote from: luckyblackat on Dec 04, 2023, 10:24 PMis there any way to have more love, peace and maturity instead of this?
Maybe give banning slur users a try next time? Just a thought.
There's other servers with a good environment, 3-4x the playerbase you guys had at peak and 95% less rmt happening. This is the environment YOU personally cultivated, more than any single person you were the one encouraging and facilitating everything. Sure Neko is more to blame but you aided him in pulling off the "innocent absent developer" look, spent a month telling everyone "We are giving slur users their 80th chance in the name of fairness" and are now here today saying "i cannot believe the community is this toxic and did this to us." Have you ever self reflected? The irony I know but like cmon stop the grandstanding
I would have stopped commenting pages ago about this server but its very clear that you guys are setting up for a version 2 where the same things will happen.
Predators.
Stand for something or fall for anything, I guess.
I tend to vote in favor of removing headache players. They're not good for staff stamina.
As I promised, the VOD with twitch chat of the beginning of his livestream until the time they stopped discussing about Midgard Legends:
https://youtu.be/bXsLuEKNTrY - 3:09:54 total time, I didn't record the rest of the stream (over 7 total hours) as they weren't discussing or revealing anything about Midgard Legends anymore.
SOURCE: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1995028525
Bear in mind nothing there is in english, so you better ask someone to translate everything for you; but TLDR: streamer was frustrated with the situation, the other streamers were frustrated with the situation (especially the staff and how they scammed them), the chat had been asking and discussing RMT and all the corruption that happened there, especially regarding why no p2w members had ever been banned despite breaking rules since Beta Test, Loki/Rebelo nonstop firing at the server/staff while revealing A LOT of stuff of internal stuff/drama/corruption that only an ADM/staff would be able to know.
Every time I read a post from Orange it's filled with schizophrenic speculation, now even about me. The thing is I've talked to Orange outside this forum and even in game when he was spilling beans. He's just like that outside this forum. He has his own head canon of the events and he is going to stick to that. He will never listen to anyone else or their opinions. He lies and changes facts to fit his own head canon, constantly.
All liars think that everyone lies.
All scammers think that everyone scams.
I'm going to stop talking about Orange here. I'm not going to respond to the baseless speculations on who or what I am. It just goes to show he instantly has to fit me into his head canon as a villain and it's honestly dangerous. I hope one day you realize these words to be true and seek help, my brother.
As far as streamers: I'm going to give my opinion on this. I don't know the contract they had with ML. So far no one here has said what it was or shown an e-mail between a streamer and ML staff. Was it done through Discord chats only? That's stupid and you're a stupid streamer if so. If you were promised payment, show the contract. Don't just say it. Show it and then post a calculation on how much you believe you are owed.
I would guess that for a small private server, none of you could have possibly earned more than maybe 10 bucks or so at best. From what I saw, you guys got free subscribers because cosmetics in the game were given FREE to people who subscribed to you. That already says that all subscriber cosmetics I saw in game were money directly to you.
Like I said, I've yet to see a formal contract shown here between streamers and the server staff.
However, what money were you expecting? 1000's of dollars on a server this small with a staff of 1-2 people and 2-3 volunteers who changed every week? Are you stupid? I don't even think Neko got that much money from donations as cosmetics costed almost nothing and they even hosted an in-game "find the GM" event where they gave free costume shop coins. None of which you guys mentioned.
I'll also say something about 2k2 here. He at least archives and posts screenshots, but puts vapid speculation in there. He believes everyone aside from the GM staff. He instantly takes the side of a streamer. It's evident he doesn't play on the server and bases all of the claims he has on information gotten from other people or what he can dig up. I actually like the posts he makes just wished he'd stay more objective like a true journalist type.
Lastly I'll say this again: p2w should be banned on all servers and new servers alike and never given more chances.
They are repeat offenders. In other online games, like Rust, people who get caught cheating just once will never be allowed on certain servers. They are kicked, booted and banned and trolled upon by Admin staff.
Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HApUQOTI30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HApUQOTI30)
It's a YouTuber who is an admin in Rust. He makes it into entertainment to f*** with cheaters and people enjoy it. He does NOT give cheaters a chance to redeem themselves. Why? Because buying a Rust account costs nothing. He has no reason to listen to them but sometimes he does if the guys seem genuine. He's learned that all cheaters lie. All cheaters try to lie their way out. Every single time. He's learned this over the years he's admin'd on a super popular online game. What about RO? Accounts cost: NOTHING. This is why you don't give them chances. I'll admit Neko not banning these guys instantly or even on relaunch is going to be a huge mistake and makes me suspicious as hell as to why not when most want them out.
P2w are not genuine. They should ALWAYS be rooted instantly out of a server. Maybe in a hilarious fashion like this. My advice is admins have tools that disable things from the player, like trading, using potions or receiving heals. Then jail them and leave them in the jail to rot. I don't care how good you think they are. Their history cannot be erased. Ban them. Keep them banned or let them in, troll them, jail them, and make them waste their time. You don't let known cheaters play on your server. This also applies to Orange/IslandGoGames here. He should also be pre-emptively banned from a launch 2.0. Let him go and play on whatever server he's saying he's playing on.
If ML launches again, I'll play. If p2w are allowed to play there, I won't.
To prove my point of view I'm going to deconstruct what Orange here wrote.
Quote from: Orange on Dec 04, 2023, 06:20 PMThere are multiple staff members in real life depressed, that have gone to the doctor, paid money for treatment.
He's stating people go to therapy as a form of evidence of exactly what? What is his point? Many people in the modern day go to therapy. Mental health is just like your physical health and it can be mended with professional help. To use that as a weapon to prove something is deranged at best. It proves nothing and as far as mental health goes there are numerous different conditions. This is like saying someone who suffered an injury and is going to the doctors has to be a bad person who cannot be trusted. It makes no sense and he even goes on:
Quote from: Orange on Dec 04, 2023, 06:20 PMThen they say doubled down repeatedly on the same stuff - They're either lying or sadists, in both cases you should not feel bad for them.
This is incoherent babbling at best. Claiming someone is lying without proof or concept of what lie he's even talking about. Then going onto saying they are sadist (what?) without saying why, then telling people not to feel bad for the server falling. What? Who are you to say that and why? If this guy, Neko, spent 3 years (during covid years btw) working a real job and simultaneously making custom content for an RO server, then they prepare it and are about to make it happen and then it all falls down while you guys are foaming at the mouth for it to fall since day one; you are telling people to not feel bad for their loss of work? Get a grip dude. The first line of attack on the server was purely against Loki and Loki alone. Then the presences of p2w guild. Rumors, speculation etc. but none targeted at Neko or his smaller CM's. Now that the server has cracked you're trying to use that as fuel for future attempts I reckon. This is so disgusting and manipulative.
Quote from: Orange on Dec 04, 2023, 06:20 PMMight I suggest coming up with new strategies to gaslight people? The 'idk anything im a newb 3rd party and heres my take that is trying to lay the groundwork for their next server to not be boycotted' has been used by several staff and players alike already.
You are a liar, so you think everyone lies. You can't accept that someone new actually stepped forward and gave their honest opinion. Your head canon is your head canon and you'll twist reality to fit your own narrative. I assure you I have nothing to do with the server and I'm just a player on it and everything I said in my original post is true.
Quote from: Orange on Dec 04, 2023, 06:20 PMServers closed now so I can own up fully,
I doubt you can be fully honest because you can't seem to be honest with yourself.
Quote from: Orange on Dec 04, 2023, 06:20 PMThis is a baseless claim. I played on the server legitimately for 30 days, doing absolutely nothing but helping newbies as thats what I find fun.
No you didn't. I played on the server and I never saw you anywhere but idling in Thor3 with a dancer. You juggled multiple accounts from day one and tried to squeeze your dancer "ragnarokisfun" into Thor3 parties to leech while you played with your "housemates". You and me were in a thor3 party the day before you got banned. I remember your words clearly in party chat and I wish I had them screenshotted. You were doomposting about the server dying. Constantly and you said that "it's OK to have multiple accounts as long as you don't login them at the same time". What a load of s*** dude. That is exactly what a cheater would say. "No it's my brother who was playing on my account".
You're even clinging to that narrative even now that you have housemates who play with you. Funny how when your housemates played your account they never responded to chat in Thor3. Funny how that is huh?
Quote from: Orange on Dec 04, 2023, 06:20 PMI invite the admins to leak their database and point to where I exploited. The 200m zeny I had was from friends(newbies i helped, housemates) quitting and my own personal grinding - I played about 6 hours daily for weeks myself too.
Newbies don't have millions to just give away just because you gave them strawberries. In your last mentally unstable rant in game you claimed you gave 600m to a guild as a "joke", then went back on that claim. You used your own guild to stash rental items so in case you got caught cheating you'd have a backup plan. You're nothing but a cheater and you've been doing this for years. Stop trying to paint yourself as a saint. It's embarrassing. I would say you're just as bad as p2w but instead of someone else trying to be manipulative and handle the guilds PR, you try to do it all yourself.
Quote from: Orange on Dec 04, 2023, 06:20 PMThere isnt a shred of evidence I had 800m zeny,
Except your own words.
Quote from: Orange on Dec 04, 2023, 06:20 PMReborn randomly claimed I had that much in an effort to get me banned and I thought it would be funny to see if I could get banned without breaking a server rule. Call me delusional or schizo but that to me is hilarious, banning the guy that spends his time crafting arrows and making quivers for people free of charge because their arrow crafting skill was bugged over the guy using slurs and proudly proclaiming he is a server killer. It is simply funny to me to watch people shoot themselves in their own foot after I beg them not to handle guns. I did not rmt, I did not exploit, I invite anyone to refute this.
You did exploit. You most probably had dual login or more. You yourself got caught abusing a bug for duping items. Just because Reborn is worse than you, doesn't make you innocent. I would advice everyone to take everything Orange says with a grain of salt. When I read the PM's you give people it's almost incoherent. It's hard to follow what you're always trying to say. Saying you made arrow quivers somehow absolves you from everything? How dumb is that?
Quote from: Orange on Dec 04, 2023, 06:20 PMAll I did was trigger p2w into playing their 'we won the server routine' out earlier than they initially planned. I simply had to imply I know something they don't and say I was going to beat them in WoE, they threw a fit and broke all their own toys. I'm old and tired, I just want to play games for fun. Servers with known RMT admins, an abundance of RMT posts with an RMT guild on them that don't even use some of that money to properly pay content creators they promised money to simply do not deserve to exist. Am I a bad person for that? I don't care, I'm playing WoW discovery now.
You admit here you have a personal vendetta and as a known cheater / exploiter (your own bloody words) you saw a cheater guild join the server and you wanted the competition out. So you created this head canon of yourself being a saviour of the server and started to smear the already dirty guild and waste your time. You said you were the straw the broke the camels back and I actually think that's partially true. You didn't break it, you exposed it by being a bad RMT'er / glitcher. You gave p2w millions of zeny (120m) for a combat knife and your excuse was "so admins look into it". Few days later, you're banned. You shout in trade you want to buy stuff way over their value. You most likely emptied every vending character of anything valuable. Stashed it away. You did everything you could to get the server dead.
You're not a hero. You're just a useful fool and p2w are trashcan raccoons who you fed burgers. Seems sus as hell if you ask me. The only thing that I had a hard time accepting was that Neko didn't ban p2w for selling to you / buying from you. THAT seems hella sus too. As far as you doing RMT, I have no evidence of that but your own words stating you've done it in the past. If you want to I can post screenshots of you saying that. I rather not. I would rather you just admit it yourself.
Quote from: Orange on Dec 04, 2023, 06:20 PMIf Neko ever reads this; pay your content creators twice what you initially promised. You can easily afford it, they honestly deserve more for eating a hit to their reputation and putting effort into your dumpster fire.
"Easily can afford it" based off of what? What were they exactly owed? How much was that? All that last bit looks like is you grasping at straws again while exiting the conversation. Every time I read your posts it's like someone vomiting half truths mixed with their own head canon. It's never coherent.
No one should listen to you. Just post evidence next time. Stop writing stories.
Alright, so to sum it all up:
- Orange cheated ingame on Midgard Legends by multiclienting, exploiting and duping while trying to put the blame on p2w(innocent).
- p2w (the guild) is being wrongfully accused and has literally done nothing wrong. One guy said the n-word and he deserves life in prison for that, but that's just one guy. No big deal.
- 2k2 is just like Orange in that he tries to slander and lie about p2w. Except he doesn't even play the game. He just creates a story in his head.
- The Midgard Legends GM team is incompetent and delivered a failed and unpolished server, thereby losing the respect of their playerbase.
- Loki/Rebelo/Planet Geek is socially, mentally and morally unqualified.
Oh mate, if thoughts and prayers was a thread.
/heh p2w is probably reading this whole thing with a smile, some coffee and a scone of their choosing. Someday, you'll understand (or maybe you won't)(actually you probably won't) that you keep blaming p2w for the issues on so many different servers but those servers all have different admins and all have different problems it is virtually all but impossible for them to be the culprit. P2w is seemingly a sweat factory not a plague and eventually, one starts to wonder is the issue really p2w? Or is it people like you all who would rather blame any problem you can on Aaron or big bad Reborn and his merry men and women vs actually holding the devs of that server accountable for fixing/preventing those problems in the first place.
Reading this makes me a little sad for the OP. Plenty of things to do with your time in life and you choose to try and incite these riots against a group of players in a 20 year old game that take one look at at thread like this, have their laughs, and move on. Their lack of posted replies say they don't care about you or your creative writing homework that you leverage against them so wake me up when we can get back to talking about good servers, or game mechanics, or cute hats.
I wish you chums all well.
Quote from: Iamyourfriend on Dec 05, 2023, 10:46 AM...all have different admins and all have different problems it is virtually all but impossible for them to be the culprit. P2w is seemingly a sweat factory
You managed to say even less than Nova/Atroce with more words, ignoring every single point being made and using generalizations to defend their wrongdoings and blame everything on admins, on an alt no less. Either you're one of them (like the many alts on reddit who read every comment and didn't manage to downvote bomb a single comment successfully before the mods deleted the threads) or you're one of their victims trying to suck up like the little Atroce fella.
I, as an uninvolved player, am glad I didn't waste my time on ML, thanks to listening to the many warnings from people like 2k2. Others who maybe hadn't played RO in a while and didn't see the obvious signs were less fortunate. It's a shame this game is being killed by people with low intelligence who destroy the servers they play on. Don't kick the horse you have to ride.
Server is gone (for now) and now that this thread has fulfilled its purpose, it is now going to get, as it has been, bombarded by fake alts and false-flaggers from p2w trying to polish a conclusive narrative. I think it's rather cute, it's like watching a teenager wannabe writer trying to develop a cohesive story. All it takes is to notice either post count+join date or the obvious speech patterns: Nova, for instance, discourses as elegantly and sincerely as a third-rate swindler pretending to be an honest lawyer. I've seen people better fake roles in Mafia games like Town of Salem back in the day; an AI in the 2000s would've been less overt with its game.
You guys have fun writing your nonsense, it won't accomplish jack. Won't read this page or anything past this post.
It does not make sense to me to have multiple staff claim extreme stress & depression and then show back up 24 hours later ready to go again and put their mental health on the line for slur users. I mention it just so others can see the tactics they use. They will keep using the same tactics and over time it will become more obvious
People repeatedly ask me and others for proof that would dox us on other websites. The streamer thing isnt my fight, some streamers are happy with the outcome - I dont think they should be, I mentioned it to as its even more evidence of the admins being scammers and moved on. Its discussed on the non-English stream above and elsewhwre. Yes stuff was mostly though discord, it was tens of dollars each at most, if I steal candy from a baby I'm a s*** person even if it was a 50c lolipop.
'You used your own guild to stash rental items'
You mean 2 siroma cards, an alice valk shied, a hodrenlim valk shield and a bloodied shackle ball? Ok bro. It was a joke for people to latch onto, do you seriously think my ultimate goal was to... have items on this server?
'You claimed you bought 600m off p2w as a joke'
Its already mentioned in this thread prior. Reborn made a baseless claim that I was going to spend 6-800m with him. I publicly responded to him in discord 'show proof and ill just delete my account' - He never showed proof, I joked about it after. My sense of humour obviously doesn't align with everyone elses, to me its funny to have people fully believe one line of text in a discord from a slur user, for me to be banned ingame over it and then that used to create a whole narrative about who I am but call into question substantiated claims and completely ignore actual serious issues. It highlights what peoples goals are, you ignore the real world issues, the money, the thousands of hours the admins wasted of peoples time and focus on a throwaway joke every time.
Its funny that I make s*** up about beef with an irrelevant guild just to provoke them into killing the server and revealing corruption and you focus on the imaginary beef then try to gloss over all the predictions about the server being corrupt that came true. Its simply hilarious.
The last new relevant info was streamer stuff and the 100% damage immunity being on the server. If you have played RO you simply cannot seriously believe this server was legit, you simply are pretending to be naive. Everything since that last info and a fair bit before has been a false flag operation to try and set up plausibility that the server admins are merely incompetent and not scammers, laying the groundwork for v2. That is the current goal of the scammers
Quote from: Iamyourfriend on Dec 05, 2023, 10:46 AMReading this makes me a little sad for the OP.
Don't be, more than anything the OP is having fun with this just like everybody here reading every post. More like it is pure entertainment. RO will always have the Mr. or Miss know it all but at the end of the day all of us are players. The difference? some have real jobs and others don't have... and it shows. 😂
Quote from: CVantes on Dec 05, 2023, 07:58 AMI remember your words clearly in party chat and I wish I had them screenshotted. You were doomposting about the server dying.
'2 days before the server closed you were doomposting about the server dying'
absolutely hilarious
Let me refresh your memory of that convo - I was talking about how p2w were going to get me banned by framing me for RMT(This happened)
I was talking about how there were exploits on the server that people have benefitted from day 1. That got confirmed after I was banned.
At no point did I say what exploit I used or show any evidence of me having access to an exploit, the only thing I did was pay 130 million zeny for a combat knife. Let that sink in, I bought a combat knife and then got banned, entire guilds, multiple players, streamers and staff all came out of the woodworks revealing exploits and corruption. The population started nosediving immediately after Reborn started trying to get me banned. Not because I'm special or anything but because that was the breaking point where people realised that Reborn was in full control of the server, for him to be able to flex and get an opposing guild leader banned just by making a single comment in the discord chat after brushing off 100+ banworthy moments himself. It was at that point
Reborn=Server staff was confirmed
I had 0 interaction with the server after getting banned and it was nice and healthy(bottomed out af 135 online that I saw), all downhill aftterwards without any influence from me other than provoking people into revealing exploits/gm corruption.
It was too easy.
Quote from: Orange on Dec 05, 2023, 01:13 PM'2 days before the server closed you were doomposting about the server dying'
absolutely hilarious
The implication was that you knew, because you took part in making it happen.
Quote from: CVantes on Dec 05, 2023, 01:20 PMThe implication was that you knew, because you took part in making it happen.
Can you explain further? At best I sped things up by triggering p2w into revealing what they were sitting on, do you think I am in p2w? do you think I made the 96% dragon immunity item? Do you think I put the 3000 oca's onto peoples accounts? Do you think I made all 80 RMT posts for the server?
At best I'm a s*** stirrer. The s*** has to already be there.
I didn't make anything happen. I was aware of the streamer issues and figured those would come to light and maybe kill the server, I was aware of p2w exploiting and knew they would come to light at some point and kill the server. They have a routine they follow, its funny to them in the same way weird things are funny to me. Its absolutely hilarious to them that they have done this 20 times and on the 21st people don't see it coming. They get pains in their sides watching people spend months say "no gm corruption" then revealing there was, in fact, gm corruption.
/heh lmao, what made you guys think this would have a future ? Just the Nasa stuff was already a HUGE redflag that this one wouldn't last. Imagine playing a private server (of any game, not just RO) with massive duping scandals day and night, even if it was just rumors it would already be enough to turn off a lot of people, not even mentioning the staff stuff.
Quote from: Jabberwock on Dec 05, 2023, 01:44 PM/heh lmao, what made you guys think this would have a future ? Just the Nasa stuff was already a HUGE redflag that this one wouldn't last. Imagine playing a private server (of any game, not just RO) with massive duping scandals day and night, even if it was just rumors it would already be enough to turn off a lot of people, not even mentioning the staff stuff.
This is an example of p2w finding it hilarious to play out the above mentioned routine. After the server closes they take pleasure in mocking everyone that wasted time there.
I dont think anyone believed it had a real future but maybe they could get 6 months out of it besides actual newbies mostly invited by friends/saw a streamer playing and joined so didnt see much of that.
Quote from: luckyblackat on Dec 04, 2023, 10:24 PM[...] while using hours and hours to format a post to look prettier then some people that do it as a job (gotta give you that, the posts look hella clean).
[...] is there any way to have more love, peace and maturity instead of this?
Not at all. Doesn't take more than a few minutes as I'm used to this since it's literally my career.
I fully agree with the second line. There must be more love, peace and maturity in this community, indeed. And how do we start following that path? By weeding out confirmed cheaters/RMTers, repeated-offenders, racists, homophobes, xenophobes, doxxers, generally bad and awful people from the community; not embrassing them and helping them by making them look legit or treat them like heroes (like your server's staff has been doing since day 1 of this server, despite the many pre-emptively warnings and foresight).
Do you want me to (once again) post all of the images of their toxic behavior, racism, homophobia, spreading hate into your server, all while your staff kept protecting them and allowing them to do so?
Quote from: CVantes on Dec 05, 2023, 06:42 AM[...]
I'll also say something about 2k2 here. He at least archives and posts screenshots, but puts vapid speculation in there. He believes everyone aside from the GM staff. He instantly takes the side of a streamer. It's evident he doesn't play on the server and bases all of the claims he has on information gotten from other people or what he can dig up. I actually like the posts he makes just wished he'd stay more objective like a true journalist type.
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Can you post/point out where I gave the impression of siding with streamers? I haven't talked to any (yet) and I talked about the exact thing they talked about and all the info was in the chat of Saikyoba's livestream yesterday + Loki/Rebelo revealing a lot of things that seemed bullsh*t until one streamer (aamandamarcondes) confirmed most of the things he said and confirmed that he even helped her get her owed money from ML staff.
I don't support the streamers at all. If they were wronged/scammed, they yeah I think this should be fixed by paying them whatever was agreed, but other than that, no. They obviously brought many innocent/unaware players to the death trap that this server was, which is not good at all. It's like they will agree to do any kind of work with any shady individuals or company out of greed.
I do intend to talk to them (and maybe even Loki/Rebelo, ugh) and convince to bring them here so they talk about the whole thing themselves now there shouldn't be any sort of NDA since the server is dead, and listening/reading from them will be way more credible than someone just sourcing from them.
Quote from: CVantes on Dec 05, 2023, 06:42 AM[...]
Lastly I'll say this again: p2w should be banned on all servers and new servers alike and never given more chances.
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P2w are not genuine. They should ALWAYS be rooted instantly out of a server. Maybe in a hilarious fashion like this. My advice is admins have tools that disable things from the player, like trading, using potions or receiving heals. Then jail them and leave them in the jail to rot. I don't care how good you think they are. Their history cannot be erased. Ban them. Keep them banned or let them in, troll them, jail them, and make them waste their time. You don't let known cheaters play on your server. This also applies to Orange/IslandGoGames here. He should also be pre-emptively banned from a launch 2.0. Let him go and play on whatever server he's saying he's playing on.
If ML launches again, I'll play. If p2w are allowed to play there, I won't.
F*cking preach, brother. I know you've been out of the scene for a long time and it sucks to return just to see things even worse/more toxic than before but you do seem to care about the community and want a decent, safe place to play. There is a server (not dead, but currently in rework) that managed to fully keep the cancer out, so there's still hopes other servers admins will learn from them.
Quote from: Saika911 on Dec 05, 2023, 11:28 AM[...]
I, as an uninvolved player, am glad I didn't waste my time on ML, thanks to listening to the many warnings from people like 2k2. Others who maybe hadn't played RO in a while and didn't see the obvious signs were less fortunate. It's a shame this game is being killed by people with low intelligence who destroy the servers they play on. Don't kick the horse you have to ride.
When we first got a link to their Reddit post I was really impressed (although fully skeptical) by the ideas and supposed work done in the server (despite knowing 95% of the custom stuff would be bugged and exploitable), and did wanted to play it especially for having open-world pvp, but as soon as I joined their discord and noticed the rotten apples there, and that Reborn specifically was one of the Beta Testers (probably the more active of the tester there, playing for like 12-16h/day yet didn't report a single found bug or exploit), I immedietaly left the server.
On like the first hour of the server, people from my group playing there reported (to us that weren't playing there and exposed it onthe ML Discord) that while everyone was still at level 30~50, the whole p2w (over 30 players) was already 90+ in result of all the bugs and exploits they found (bugged hunting quests + multilevel enabled and maybe more). At this point whoever continued playing there despite the group going unpunished for abusing of bugs found during Beta, was plain idiots. It's even worse that tl22 had that long chat with Loki/Rebelo and the staff (page 2) and Loki/Rebelo said he was going to "keep close eyes" to this group and would ban them on their "first offense", but of course all of this was false, and the group kept running free abusing and exploits bug after bug unpunished.
Quote from: Rayeth on Dec 05, 2023, 12:38 PMDon't be, more than anything the OP is having fun with this just like everybody here reading every post. More like it is pure entertainment. RO will always have the Mr. or Miss know it all but at the end of the day all of us are players. The difference? some have real jobs and others don't have... and it shows. 😂
The only fun part about all this is seeing corrupt f*ck server and its staff going down and getting fully exposed with (hopefully) no second chances ever. Nothing regarding p2w is funny because many of the things they do as their regular behavior are actual real life crimes, which is sad, alarming and infuriating (when servers protect or overlook these things) and plain cringe to know most of them are over or close to their 40s.
And indeed, being proud of burning your own playground you NEET play for about 18h a day, thinking that makes you good or better than others, all while being single, childless, living with their parents, unemployed living off the government in their 30s or 40s... yikes. Yes, that's the difference between RO players and p2w players.
Alright, last post hopefully as I just desire to discuss one last thing and move on with life, if you are willing to hear Loki, the person you have been against since day one, and even made soo many posts attacking said person, would you be willing to chat with me 2k2? I think I have been very reasonable with a lot of things, while I can agree lot's of answers I said could have been better, I have not tried to hide, nor save face, nor lie, I'm the ONLY person that tried to hear all sides, even negative ones and understand and discuss about it, in fact I'm the ONLY one that tried to contact anyone to discuss and solve problems, I have done nothing wrong and have no fear of chatting and discussing things with you. I just want to understand what's your vision and reasons behind soo much focus on this server in particular and hopefully solve this out at least.
My discord: luckyblackat
The server is dead/offline and there is no reason for you to care about being found out, but if you do care, feel free to add me with an alt and just show it's you with an SS or something. I really just wanna talk and discuss.
I believe your image of me is not good, but like I said, that's because I was the ONLY person to face things and try to make things right, but I have been going after things even before the server started, I have not just accepted everything as truth, there is also reasons why I left the staff the first time.
Right after the first drama I already contacted Reddit Mods to clear things up, and worked on contacting anyone involved on it to clear things out as ADULTS instead of soo much useless fuzz and drama.
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I contacted both ADM and GM from the drama to clear doubts, first one is from said experience time.
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Second one was from copied TOS.
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And this post already have the balance discussion.
I have done my best to always find the truth in things and be fair to the situation.
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For the streamer situation I'm not 100% fully aware of the whole thing or if someone did not get paid/informed, but I do know there is lot's of lies and misinformation in the middle as always.
First, the server had nothing prepared, not even cash itens, cash itself, or prices ready, when streamers joined the had ZERO requirements, and would get for FREE a hat that a sub would get for 30 days for FREE, 25K monthly cash, and I think the coupom/code for 10% of on cash plus the comission.
Said comission being cash or money was confusing for everyone, including me that at the time joined as streamer and a bunch of others, NO ONE, made it clear and there is NO statement on the streamer chat about this, LOTS of information were not even discussed because the Staff was soo broken that when I joined I heard no reunions were made in a long time, this definitly caused confusion but in the end it was decided you could pick MONEY or CASH, soo really the fuzz here makes no sense, even less when the most vocal people got paid as far as I know.
Following that, the cash had zero meaning as there was no cash itens, nor shop, nor price decided, but a big problem was happening, there was lots of streamers and lots not even streaming properly, but almost all of them were enjoying the benefits, including being the only font for visuals during that time, I joined AFTER the cash shop and got 7 subscribers (3 being only for the visual), soo you can imagine at the START how much some got while MOST literaly doing almost nothing, not even streaming! Oh detail, everyone would also get 5 FREE costumes to raffle weekly, not only that the time increased from 30d to 60d on the cosmetic, but that no one complains.
The cash was changed from 25k to 6k when the cash shop was introduced, since it was 1 USD = 1K cash, and the average visual cost 2k-4k cash, since it was too little it was increased to 10k, but thats the thing, literally could have stayed 25k and the costs/price and shop price could have been increased, it makes zero sense to blame this.
For the minimun partnership restrictions, it went up a lot, soo people that would join would at least need to have some clout/numbers to be a partner and get benefits BUT NO ONE THAT WAS A PARTNER GOT REMOVED, this was a way to be fair with those who started early and let them keep being partners.
The biggest change was the requirements, as we had NONE, we asked literaly for people to use the server name on the live and icon/logo, and to stream 32h monthly and post proof, that's literaly it, the deal was even flexible to reduce hours/conditions and the reward/bonus would decrease as well, some people disliked that, but this was put after the first MONTH, soo anyone for the following months could choose to keep the partnership or not. Some people made a fuzz about it and therefore got removed as partnership only works if both sides agree on things and there was a lot of free loader streamers around, you can check yourself there was at some point over 20-30 streamers and only a handful trully streamed, of course as you can imagine most of those that clocked easily 60-100h monthly (like me and others that trully streamed), just accepted it, as it's VERY normal to have conditions for benefits.
I have no screenshots as I left the server/role and lost access, but I'm sure it's all still there on the streamer chat log.
(BTW, it's also not exclusive, soo you could literally stream anything else and even other servers)
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As of you saying I defend p2w and protect them and let them free, like I said, I was out, I joined back for 48h, where I also had to sleep and work, I remade the entire discord organization and TOS, plus ticket protocols, everything that was lacking.
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I was the ONLY active person as EVERYONE else was already tired and burnedout from everything.
Like I mentioned before I made the first reunion in a call they had for a long time, due to staff being burnedout/broken and disagreeing with each other non-stop.
And I already blamed guilds including p2w and others, as their actions and words were also a part on ruining the server in the last post. Not only that I already admited and agree it was totally our fault as server Staff/Team and our lack of experience and organization.
During all of this I also created a pvp channel to try to make the chat less toxic (at least the main chat soo people could breath) and I did try to be fair and equal to everyone, as well as muting p2w/Reborn. I was waitting for the new TOS/rules/organization to be ready to start doing more actions, but the server died literally 3 days after I rejoined.
To be honest I think I could have done more but I'm also human and was also exausted from work/sleepless, I should have definitly done more bans and even perma bans to some things said and done, I'm sorry about that, but then again, I was trying my best to fix everything I could in 2 days, things that definitly should have been ready and set even before the server started, and EVERYONE in the staff is to blame for the lack of direction, synergy and organization. That includes people who left and stayed. No one is a "saint/innocent".
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And just to make it clear I'm being human/nice and discussing with reborn, not because he is from p2w, but because that's how I work as a person and think we could have solved it all being more open and chatting, this is the case of someone I ended up causing trouble, just to share an example on how I like to talk/handle things.
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Just a side note, I still think with or without guilds/p2w the server would be doomed due to lack of experience, staff internal problems, and dupes/bugs, as this would lead here anyways.
As one extra note to you 2k2, there is no way those posts are quick, this took soo many hours I do gotta admire how pretty your posts look compared to mine tbh.
I'll hopefully not comment here anymore and move on with life with old and new friends to do new things and have fun, however I still hope you do contact me to talk things out, I swear I'm quite fair on dealing with things, I do am very passionate tho.
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Finally, Orange/Island, you are a really weird person and very manipulative, you act like a friendly person, you lie to people in order to try to play a good guy, but in the end you are just as bad as any exploiter as you are just another ignorant cheater, I contacted you to solve things, hear your side and show mine, human touch that you lack, empathy, and more important try to understand your actions and solve things out.
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You took everything and assumed I was paid to be depressive, how delusional you gotta be to believe something like that?
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The reason I was sad was due to how things turned out after months of free time and effort being put to end like this, not only that I felt terrible for anyone that invested time and even donated, and felt s*** myself for also doing both of that.
The reason I magically turned happy again, is I sleept, took a break to think and rest, I was doing everything in power to help the server in the 48h I joined back, I dealt with drama, chat, dms, tickets, organizing the discord, I have been doing that and trying to help the server since day one, and that was slowly making me depressive as even putting effort things were returning terrible results and taking lots of time away from me being with family and even more from my friends and boyfriend that missed me lots.
In case you think I don't care about the people in the server and friends that I made.
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After I left for the second time I was feeling trully terrible and sad, but I was not expecting to receive soo much support and love from friends that I made in this last month, this turned my mood entirely.
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Soo that day I played with some olds friends Lethal Company and had a blast, I had forgotten how fun some co-op stuff can be as I had been soo focused on doing this for FREE and using my free time.
https://youtu.be/4HTYLS1dSz0
Not only that, I have a life, a job, bills, family and people to take care, I cannot let myself get depressive for a weirdo online, life is bigger then RO and you. I'm done with YOUR games, you are no hero as you think, you are a sad individual stuck in a 20yo game abusing explioits from decades playing it and looking for things to fullfill that void inside you. There are other ways to be happy, hope one day you find something that don't hurt others for your enjoyment.
Quote from: luckyblackat on Dec 05, 2023, 10:01 PMFinally, Orange/Island, you are a really weird person and very manipulative, you act like a friendly person, you lie to people in order to try to play a good guy, but in the end you are just as bad as any exploiter
To be clear I did not lie to pretend to be a good guy; I don't justify my actions with anything other than "I wanna have fun" and "I do not like scammers/corrupt servers" - I'm just some wannabe coffeezilla/kitboga if you want to put it that way. You guys telling hundreds of people you checked logs for a month is lying to look like a good guy. You guys saying you'll ban p2w the first time they do something then ignoring them causing a wipe, using slurs in your discord and exploiting on the server for its entire runtime is lying to look like the good guy.
I just want to reiterate that in my 20 year ragnarok online history I have not been banned for exploiting or cheating on a single server, including this one. I have never so much as been tied to an exploit besides dumb things like tanking mi gao's when metamorphesis was in the game. The most serious thing I did on your server was pay 130m for a combat knife and the actual exploiters took it from there. If you are seriously comparing me to the people that actually destroyed your server I am at a loss for words.
I used social engineering to get the RMTers and exploiters to expose themselves because I was dissatisfied with the actions the server itself took towards them.
I'd love to see the code that generated a 96% dragon resistance armor btw.
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Seriously, blackat, don't bother. After seeing the attack on a server that isn't even open with unfounded claims with 0 evidence, I'm less inclined to believe 2k2 from the beginning. This guy is unhinged, and while your server has flaws that are as the result of GM negligence(this I will not excuse you from), the rest seems to be unfounded nonsense with not a shred of evidence. The Ragnarok Online community can be toxic and generally unforgiving, but the rewards of
actually playing the game and making servers worth forming memories around are incomparable. You seem like a good person, so let me advise you thoroughly:
- Do not participate in drama. If you do, do it very briefly and reply with facts only. An appeal to emotion is not sufficient.
- Do not allow any form of toxicity on your server of any kind. Even light-hearted "trash-talk" will escalate. Gamers are incapable of keeping their cool.
- Thoroughly test everything. ALWAYS assume that gamers will try to break your game. Ragnarok Online is inherently competitive and gamers will destroy your server just to 1 UP their rivals.
Most of all-
- Have fun. If something or someone bothers you to the point of you quitting development. Ban them, block them, mute them, get rid of them. There is no server without a staff willing to deliver it.
Server is closed. Time to close this discussion as anything beyond this point is pure speculation.
The topic itself is a story from a player's perspective, keep in mind that different player might have a different experience. So make your own judgement based on what is presented.
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