Is classic vibes of ragnarok has been forgotten?

[ragnafiles]

Hello RMS community,

I'm wondering to any new classic p.server nowadays, sometimes they called themself "old school" or "play like 200X (year)", but there's a lot of modification. In fact, none of them brings a nostalgic vibes to me.

I'd say most of them have good features, and good graphic. Even they are building wikis of their server which is pretty good.

Back to topic, I still questioning to RO players this day (who still played RO) :
1. What makes you guys enjoy playing classic server? The rates, or their unique features (low rates pre-re combined with their creativity feature)

2. I'm planning to make a old school classic server which has old UI (SS dropped below). Low rates (less than 5x/5x exp) with no item mall, no cash point, no modification, no battle manual, no RMT. It just pure classic and free to play. Are you guys willing to play?


I'll not telling you server I develop yet. because this topic is not meant to promote, i just want your opinion about my 2 question. You'll see on server listing once i publised the server.

Thank you ^^

[Suspension]

Low rates (less than 5x/5x exp) with no item mall, no cash point, no modification, no battle manual, no RMT. It just pure classic and free to play. Are you guys willing to play?

I'd say except rodex and maybe battle manual, there're plenty of servers out there that are just like that.
The old UI is well, old. There's really no benefit to it other than the nostalgia and probably quite a number of downsides, now that hardware and software is vastly different from back then.

IMO there're more important things that give the nostalgia feeling, like the fact that every job class has already been researched to hell and back, and you no longer discover anything new.

[OrcLordDaddy]

2. Only if you use the proper iRO skill and Class names.

No Clown -> Minstrel
No Professor -> Scholar
No Bragi -> Magic Strings
No FiNgEr OfFeNsIve -> Throw Spirit Sphere
etc.

And also, only if you have multiclient enabled and also allow dgVoodoo2.

[ragnafiles]

IMO there're more important things that give the nostalgia feeling, like the fact that every job class has already been researched to hell and back, and you no longer discover anything new.

ah... i see
but while i developing mine, i'd realize old skill formula is minor different with pre-re skill nowadays.
I think it can be a good point

And also, only if you have multiclient enabled and also allow dgVoodoo2.

Tried to do related your topic, and mine is already smooth. But nice details to that, will try to add it and see it can be smoother than now.

[Playtester]

Monster stats from before episode 10 is the thing I always check first to see if a server is truly classic.

I even made a thread about that a while ago: https://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/classic-and-pre-renewal-close-to-official-servers-not-so-official-after-all/

[ragnafiles]

Monster stats from before episode 10 is the thing I always check first to see if a server is truly classic.

I even made a thread about that a while ago: https://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/classic-and-pre-renewal-close-to-official-servers-not-so-official-after-all/

Thank you for the note!
It's on my checklisted, mobs, mobs spawn, warps, and skills



 other checklist, in older episode, there's different negative status, guild skills, cards,
but due to lack of information, i'd just take it from older source web archive T_T

[2k2]

A truly classic server with next to no customization, and the most important as mentioned by other people: original monster stats, exp table and spawn. Pretty trashy when a server claim being classic and then you see the updated Wolf exp. Or updated mob map location and spawns. Something like KokoRO.

Also, don't make the mistake thinking nostalgia is tied to old client or old UI. It's not. New clients and new UI is one of the best things to ever happen in this game. Or example, Battlemode was very limited and not nearly as good as what came after it.

[OrcLordDaddy]

And it being episodic is also always nice to have, even if it's a rather fast update path like a new episode every 2 months.

Also, whenever you decide to get the server online, please let us know in this thread too!

[oldinroplayer]

Thank you for the note!
It's on my checklisted, mobs, mobs spawn, warps, and skills



 other checklist, in older episode, there's different negative status, guild skills, cards,
but due to lack of information, i'd just take it from older source web archive T_T

The HP/EXP is more-or-less accurate, but the two apple drops at the end for spore tell me that this is a new mob DB "backported" to an older episode state. Those two apple drops for spore are actually strawberry and poison spore and should therefore be removed. The person backporting the mob/drops DB just replaced the newer items with apples as a quick hack.

[oldinroplayer]

Oh, another good check for episode accurateness is what race Minorous is, backported/newer DBs will have him as brute. He was originally a demon race monster.

[ragnafiles]

don't make the mistake thinking nostalgia is tied to old client or old UI. It's not. New clients and new UI is one of the best things to ever happen in this game. Or example, Battlemode was very limited and not nearly as good as what came after it.

Whoah, what a good point.
But not-so many people around me pointing at skill/mob/stat and other database. They check visual first. what a dilemma

And it being episodic is also always nice to have, even if it's a rather fast update path like a new episode every 2 months.
Also, whenever you decide to get the server online, please let us know in this thread too!

What a warm reply! Thank you 

The HP/EXP is more-or-less accurate, but the two apple drops at the end for spore tell me that this is a new mob DB "backported" to an older episode state. Those two apple drops for spore are actually strawberry and poison spore and should therefore be removed. The person backporting the mob/drops DB just replaced the newer items with apples as a quick hack.

Nope, those 2 apple is not what you're mention.
And i'm not replacing to apple because it's will take lot of time doing manual check. I'd prefer do manual check matching with old database from web archive than replacing with apple 
Same as eddga, many information from old web told that eddga drops Firebrand sword. But actually he's not.
And interesting fact i'd found that on older episode, thief can use mace-class weapon 

But thank you for the notes, makes me to explore deeper

[Playtester]

Actually those monsters stats look like episode 1 or 2. On those episode all empty drop slots had "Apple" at 0% because Aegis doesn't allow for having an empty drop slot. But due to a drop bug even 0% drops still had a chance to drop. So you could actually get apples from monsters that were even more rare than a card.

[oldinroplayer]

Same as eddga, many information from old web told that eddga drops Firebrand sword. But actually he's not.

I think he did drop firebrand, atleast as per this guide, again not sure how accurate the guide itself is.

And interesting fact i'd found that on older episode, thief can use mace-class weapon 

that's neat. I guess this was an oversight on the part of the devs... well, one could say that for most of the game, but oh well.

But thank you for the notes, makes me to explore deeper

all the best with the server, pls do share when you bring it online

[oldinroplayer]

Actually those monsters stats look like episode 1 or 2. On those episode all empty drop slots had "Apple" at 0% because Aegis doesn't allow for having an empty drop slot. But due to a drop bug even 0% drops still had a chance to drop. So you could actually get apples from monsters that were even more rare than a card.

oh wow, this is good to know. Was this specific to older versions of AEGIS? also the drop bug you're talking about is the same one which made cards actually drop at 0.02% rather than the intended 0.01% or is this something else?

[chkenny]

nice topic brings me classic

[ragnafiles]

I think he did drop firebrand, atleast as per this guide, again not sure how accurate the guide itself is.

Nah, i think that guide leads to kRO version, which had future updates than other country.
In that year, eddga was not dropped katar. because katar element isn't available on comodo patch.
I have old emu from my old pc, not pretty sure this emu but likely it's coded like eA. eddga wasn't drop firebrand. and clock tower has lot of missing mobs and sprites error (assuming this emu was made on pre comodo)

Actually those monsters stats look like episode 1 or 2. On those episode all empty drop slots had "Apple" at 0% because Aegis doesn't allow for having an empty drop slot. But due to a drop bug even 0% drops still had a chance to drop. So you could actually get apples from monsters that were even more rare than a card.

yep. got the db from yours on rA thanks to you! it's accurate to my old emu

[Playtester]

oh wow, this is good to know. Was this specific to older versions of AEGIS? also the drop bug you're talking about is the same one which made cards actually drop at 0.02% rather than the intended 0.01% or is this something else?

Yes, similar reason.

I don't know how long the drop bug existed, but I still got apple drops on euRO when turtle island was added.

[Metan]

Monster stats from before episode 10 is the thing I always check first to see if a server is truly classic.

I even made a thread about that a while ago: https://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/classic-and-pre-renewal-close-to-official-servers-not-so-official-after-all/

Interesting thread, thanks for sharing.

I'm not going to necro it, so I'll just add here that three other things worth checking are monster skills, monster stats and game mechanics. Some mechanics (like most Monster skills being treated as melee/ranged based on distance, and not on the skills themselves, and lord knows how much I hate this), skills (certain MVPs having Power Up, 2HQ, Hell's Judgement, Earthquake, Spiral Pierce, status AoEs, etc; and Bio3 monsters having certain skills/conditions, like Seyren and Spiral Pierce, Eremes and SBk, Margaretha and casting Assumptio not just on herself) and even stat changes (OL, DL and some others with enhanced HP, most MVPs having just 30 vit, Thanatos having just 445k HP (though that's probably for the best, lol)) can be found in "classic" servers even though all of these and some more were implemented much later in the game.

I get that some of these are understandable and a lot of people would get really confused over SW not blocking ranged skills in melee range, but still.

[Playtester]

I always thought that range thing was just a bug in eAthena, but since I only had a chance to test on episode 11.3 and later, I cannot really tell. Episode 11.3 and after, it definitely depends on skill range rather than on distance. I remember there were some interesting exceptions like monster using Arrow Shower.

Oh yeah documented it all here: https://github.com/rathena/rathena/issues/915

[misterj]

The ancient client is a miserable experience. Chats are unconfigurable and setting up your BM is a nightmare (plus you're minus 9 slots, ick!). What episode mob stats/spawns/items do you want? I can get you proper versions from just about any episode.

[Metan]

I always thought that range thing was just a bug in eAthena, but since I only had a chance to test on episode 11.3 and later, I cannot really tell. Episode 11.3 and after, it definitely depends on skill range rather than on distance. I remember there were some interesting exceptions like monster using Arrow Shower.

Oh yeah documented it all here: https://github.com/rathena/rathena/issues/915

You may be right. eAthena had so many bugs that I'd always taken for, uh, features, that I wouldn't discard that just being a bug they eventually fixed; also because I can't seem to find any changelogs regarding that specific change. One of those things you take for certain, until you finally look into it and it's not really as you thought, lol.

And damn, it's from 2016 and still seems unresolved. "priority:low" indeed. To my knowledge, Spiral Pierce is also one of those forced skills (in this case, forced range).

[Playtester]

I fixed the bugs January 24th 2016. You can see that at the bottom before aleos added the tags.

[ragnafiles]

The ancient client is a miserable experience. Chats are unconfigurable and setting up your BM is a nightmare (plus you're minus 9 slots, ick!). What episode mob stats/spawns/items do you want? I can get you proper versions from just about any episode.

Just re-read older replies and no one a big fan of old client, giving my new insight about it XD.
OMG where you got all these episode content data? seems there's a more legend player than me haha 

I fixed the bugs January 24th 2016. You can see that at the bottom before aleos added the tags.

what a legend. when i developing  this project and saw some of src codes there's a lot of credits to you in certain code. big fan.

[Orange]

Random question I can't be bothered looking up that I'm sure somewhere here can answer; When were hunter flies added to a lot of maps(ie gef_dun01) ?

[Playtester]

Random question I can't be bothered looking up that I'm sure somewhere here can answer; When were hunter flies added to a lot of maps(ie gef_dun01) ?

Episode 8 (2004 February 23)