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Title: Euphro curruption
Post by: Abel Vox on Dec 26, 2006, 12:46 am
A nice read about the EuphRO server.
http://returnersro.wikispaces.com/Meltdown
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: yC on Dec 26, 2006, 01:49 am
is the link work for anyone?
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: AmirKhan on Dec 26, 2006, 02:00 am
It loaded before.
Now it seems to be broken.
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Colonel on Dec 26, 2006, 09:57 am
A nice read about the EuphRO server.
http://returnersro.wikispaces.com/Meltdown

Yes, let's make up a whole load of s***, put it in a Wiki, and lock the Wiki page.  You're an idiot GM trying to get more traffic to AquaticRO.  Maybe I should make a Wiki and lock it about "how AquaticRO sucks compared to Euph".
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Abel Vox on Dec 26, 2006, 10:34 am
Er you do know I didnt make this wiki topic, I found it.
This Wiki was made by GM-Shiin an old GM of the EuphRO server.
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Colonel on Dec 26, 2006, 10:39 am
The problem is posting it from the point of a GM on another server, that is unprofessional and bias.  Especially since 90% of the stuff in that wiki is obviously fabricated >.>
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Abel Vox on Dec 26, 2006, 10:48 am
1) Its not false because, There were MANY witnesses, there is even a movie about it on Youtube if your intrested in watching.
2) I'm not a GM on another server.
3) your the one thats bias, because you play the new EuphRO right now, i've seen your ratings on our server and I must say what you did was pretty low.
4) Euphorian likes to cover his dealings up by banning people, read the last part of that wiki post, they are messages taken from the New EuphRO server forums. Euph tried to put it back up and some people came over to tell everyone about what euph did on the old server.
5) Euph said it himself on the old EuphRO server to many of his girlfriends what he was doing, and thats what caused his mess.
6) I used to be a big server donator for EuphRO and later i found out from Euph himself that he was stealing my money,(after getting in a fight with him over donation prizes)

EDIT
7) the reason why the wiki post is locked, is because Euph was trying to erase everything here when he was starting EuphRO up again, the owner of the wiki page locked the topic after finding what Euph was trying to do, (the IP confermed it was Euph).
8) instead euph blocked that webpage address from his forums, if you try posting that address on Euph's forums you will get broken words
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Colonel on Dec 26, 2006, 10:52 am
Whatever, I'm not going to start arguing with some child who's only evidence is some one-sided wiki.
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Abel Vox on Dec 26, 2006, 10:54 am
xD
 ;) i'm 21, anyways see ya
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Emeralda on Dec 26, 2006, 11:11 am
/offtopic

I would like to ask you, mr Colonel, to stick to EuphRO topics in which you do your job of advertising this server greatly and stay out of aRO, who sponsors your server, in which most of the time you post senlseless flames.

Thank you for your time.
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Colonel on Dec 26, 2006, 12:54 pm
/offtopic

I would like to ask you, mr Colonel, to stick to EuphRO topics in which you do your job of advertising this server greatly and stay out of aRO, who sponsors your server, in which most of the time you post senlseless flames.

Thank you for your time.

uhh, I don't know a whole lot about EuphRO, but I know for sure that Anima doesn't sponser Euph in the way you think... >.>;;;
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Emeralda on Dec 26, 2006, 01:47 pm
There was just too much of that for me. Could someone pretty please summarise it for me? Pweeeease?
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: yC on Dec 26, 2006, 11:11 pm
We'll see how far this topic could go.  I am not hoping much...

Just a word of warning, keep things stay in this thread please, don't go write a bad review of other servers simply because something said in the forum piss you off or anything.  It's just a discussion.
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: NikitaDarkstar on Dec 28, 2006, 08:37 am
I can't confrim the irc chats cause to much was going on after that (I tried to keep up with about 5 irc's just for euphRO at that point.. didn't go well..), but if anyone wants it I can send the about 50 or so screenshots of what was said on the broadcast system (I managed to get msot of it anyway.), but actually most of whats in that wiki is true. And well thats not the first time Euph kinda messed up. One example would be when he still had a legit character on the old server and jailed my initre guild cause he couldn't beat us in woe, so he db'd inside a castle, blamed us, jailed us and dissapeared.

Anyway as I said most of whats said in there is true and I doubt Euph has changed much from then, and I know several of the pepole in the various chatlogs.. Euph may seem nice but well neither he or Zell turned out to be that nice.

(PS: Yes this is my first post in the forums.. I managed to forget my old account here, but I wanted to comment on this.)
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: BRabbit on Dec 29, 2006, 11:47 am
The problem with the wiki link in the thread starting post: The old GM's are gone. The wiki's information is as good as nothing.
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: NikitaDarkstar on Dec 29, 2006, 12:13 pm
I wouldn't consider it "good as nothing" as the two main pepole in that initre mess was ZellKFF and Euphorian, Zell is gone, euphorian ovbiously isin't.
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Abel Vox on Dec 29, 2006, 01:12 pm
http://www.stclaircollege.ca/convergence/newspaper1.pdf
Take a look at this news article. scroll down to Illegal online gaming
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: NikitaDarkstar on Dec 29, 2006, 06:42 pm
Heh pretty nice.. except for the fact that they claim Zell owned the server.. but meh I've yet to find a news article thats 100% accurate on anything ^^;
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Emeralda on Dec 29, 2006, 06:43 pm
Just as a side note: Abel Vox - GM on AquaticRO server.
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: EuphPriest on Jan 04, 2007, 02:50 pm
I'm confused is anima and euph same?  they feel the same and it said that debbie in charge of euph somehwere but got delted.  both truth thing and meltdown page are similar and it looks all the same.
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Emeralda on Jan 05, 2007, 09:38 am
From what people lately say it seems that Philip a.k.a. 'Debbie' lets EuphRO use that address (he bought it when it was down) for putting a link to aRO on their site.
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: EuphPriest on Jan 05, 2007, 01:01 pm
thanks for reply serenity but to me it still seem like it.  Site say sponser by anima and you got anim advertising links.  Most euph gms are anima ones, donation system is same, webpage is by same guy i hear (you i think).  anyway too much emo i think i go play something else
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Entice on Jan 08, 2007, 09:51 pm
Just as a side note: Abel Vox - GM on AquaticRO server.

Untrue. I am a player from AquaticRO. I respect Abel and find him a great guy but even I cannot deny that he has been immature and wicked at times. He is actually not only stripped of GMship but also of player rights. Even when he posted this thread, he was not longer a GM. That just goes to show the depth of this truth that he is requesting everyone to know. He is not advertising for any server and especially not one that has dismissed him.

Everything in the link is true to my knowledge. EuphRO was perhaps the biggest scam in the history of RO private servers. The system in EuphRO was a dictatorship run by GM-Euphorian and GM-ZellKFF. Those two GMs alone received all the money that was ever injected into EuphRO minus the amount given to the server. At the time of EuphRO's closing, the server was paid for another three months in advance. That just goes to show the potential amount that the two mentioned GMs could have accrued during that time. Abel Vox, him self paid $700 US a month. Imagine what a player base of 3000 average players online during the weekend could have donated to Euphorian and ZellKFF's lifestyle. Besides, even Euphorian's in game maturity is questionable. Like Nikita has said, he jailed her entire guild for defeating his guild in WoE. He has been known to spawn god-like items for his friends and guild members. (For example a Golden Thief Bug Card for one of his guild members.) He has been known to mob and tank the entirety of Bio3 for his friends and blamed it on being drunk. As if that is an excuse in itself. If you are drunk, you do not log into your server as a GM and abuse your powers. Simple? Perhaps not.

The fact that a server with dubious management such as AnimaRO assisted EuphRO in restarting raises questions about the integrity of the new EuphRO. If Euphorian is prepared to deal with such servers, should that not raise eyebrows as to what he may plan to do with EuphRO a second time around?

Serenity, I ask you, if you hate AnimaRO's management, why would you go to work for its beneficiary, EuphRO? Tell me honestly, was there no profit motive involved when AnimaRO bought the domain of EuphRO.com. Tell me honestly, is AnimaRO getting any profit from EuphRO's renewed player base? Don't say no when in truth, you are not 100% sure. If you are not sure then say so. But in my opinion, a great server manager should be 100% transparent to his staff. Else, how do you gain and give trust?

Serenity, I like you but I have to say you seem naive. If it were up to me, I would completely research a server's background (especially one as shady as EuphRO's) before accepting GMship. It's obvious you did not do this as you have admitted yourself, that you need to read up on EuphRO's past. As a result, you are perhaps representing something that you do not believe in.

I just hope you won't be as crushed as GM-ShiiN when he saw the truth. (GM-ShiiN was the main developer at old EuphRO. With GM-Belle, GM-Aqua and GM-Lance, he was the most hardworking GM. To my knowledge, GM-Euphorian was playing WoW for several months up to the server's end and was not seen online for months before then. GM-ZellKFF was simply inactive ingame, albeit he was very good at making the donation items.) GM-ShiiN was at EuphRO for a long time. What he says in the wiki is truth, no less. He loved the server and if you read the wiki you should feel the emotions pouring from his words.

Believe me when I say that EuphRO is sinking sand. Believe in it and you will meet your demise.

Edit: Oh, and if AquaticRO gets a lot of purposely bad reviews now you'd know why :-[
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Abel Vox on Jan 09, 2007, 08:33 am
 AquaticRO already had alot of bad reviews from players on EuphRO even before this topic started.
 I had to make a new AquaticRO server listing because of all the flames we got...
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: laecertus on Jan 09, 2007, 04:29 pm
flames are mybe true @[email protected]!
omgee i can just report this donation items bizness to gravity US ,send then a whole written FAX with prroves and links
BUT i don t care xD i play in  a litle but nice MR :D
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: Entice on Jan 09, 2007, 10:57 pm
Thanks for clearing up EuphRO's links to AnimaRO. Like I had said, it was speculation on my part. But there is dealing between EuphRO and AnimaRO, that you cannot deny. Once there has been some dealing then there may potentially be more in the future if things go out of hand. Anyhow, that is again, speculation, but I believe it to be highly possible.

Serenity, I understand that Adam has never acted like that towards you. But what reason had he to? You're a new member of his staff. Believe me, Adam didn't behave like that when EuphRO was a month old with 100 players online. No, this only began happening as EuphRO approached 2000 players online average and the money began to roll in. Maybe you're prepared to give Adam a chance, but I'm not prepared to give him another. Five months ago, I was a passionate believer in him. In public, he seemed mature enough, spoke nicely and did the right things. However, words may be twisted, thoughts hidden but no matter what, deeds cannot be undone. Those things in the wiki are truth. They have been testified by so many that Adam himself no longer tries to feebly refute the claims.

In all honesty, I was prepared to give Adam a second chance. However, if you read back to Adam's oldest posts in the EuphRO forums, you'd find that he is indeed the person portrayed in the wiki. Actually EuphRO has a new forum, so I don't think they are even able to be viewed. He even typed the same way he is seen to type in those chats. Obviously, you wouldn't believe me without evidence so I'll give you some. In the period of the new EuphRO's tentative steps to rebuilding, Adam was very active on his forums. In believe he even said too much.

Firstly, when there were doubts about Adam's integrity, there were many threads posted in EuphRO forums regarding this. I remember clearly that Adam replied to a poster who inquired something along the lines of whether Adam had stolen money, to get lost if they didn't want to play there. Not only was his answer irrelevant, it was spiteful and utterly disgusting from a person in a respectable position. Would you expect it from an "absolutely kind-hearted and caring person" or a professional administrator? The fact that he lets his more superficial emotions dictate his words reveals his inadequacy to run a server.

When the new EuphRO had just started, the server was hacked and there was a long down time. Adam did not fail to accuse ZellKFF, who was previously his most trusted colleague, of the hacking and proceeded to tell his players, "Flame all you want to." It seems that he does not value his most trusted and closest friends as much as you would hope.

Do not get me wrong, Serenity. Adam is not a bad guy. But being a good guy is not the equivalent of being a good server manager. One needs to be mature, responsible, communicative and have high integrity - all of which, I believe with the greatest sincerity, to be lacking in Adam. Sure, he can be friendly, but who cannot? My point is that when the pressure is on, Adam is one of the those that fall. Did you not see EuphRO's first demise? Adam could have easily fixed his sinking ship by explaining everything on the forums. Instead, he shuts down the server, goes on IRC and flames everyone present. Even for a week, he could have saved EuphRO. The database was still intact and the server could be rebooted. But what did he do? He let his emotions get to his head and behave irrationally. He deleted the database that gave him thousands. In essence, he blamed others for his wrongs because he cannot accept his mistakes. He is truly irresponsible and incapable of running and maintaining a server of thousands.

If he is your good friend, then by all means continue to believe in him. I only wish to inform those who are less knowledgeable to another facet of Adam's nature. I don't want to convince them to leave or stay away from EuphRO, but I want them to know the full consequences of their actions if they decide to play there. EuphRO was one of my biggest mistakes. With its demise, I lost a year of my efforts. I only hope this would not happen to other innocent players in the world.
Title: Re: Euphro curruption
Post by: ZellKFF on Jan 11, 2007, 05:52 pm
Is it your right to think that I am a despicable person, Tynne, and I wouldn't expect any less of you defending Adam, seeing as you work in his team.

I am in no way associated with the 'hacking' of EuphRO, nor with its original downfall. I never joined #euphro-chat either (no, not even once). Defending someone you believe in by trying to shift the blame onto others is not a very nice thing to do... I don't feel like talking about what really happened because my words would have very little weight in your eyes. However, if you would like to talk, you are more than welcome to PM me on IRC. I'm not interested in server wars and as such have no will to discuss anything more about this thread in public^^