To start this off this server is a mr server with the max lvl being 140/70, max stats 99 with the rates of 50/50/30 and is partner owned by GM Jake and Crono. GM Jake takes care of all the coding and server issues. While Crono deals more with the people. As of late. the corruption thats been happening behind the scenes is finally coming into light. GM Crono. At first this guy seems alright and the ideal model of what a GM should be. But when you get into a mess with this guild called Crystal Horizon. The corruption starts to show itself. First ill say to him face is everything, He will not respond to questions that have a ligit case to the corruption and will either remove the topic or in this case recently since the corruption has been coming out lock down the forums. Now if that is not all. GM Crono has topped himself by backstabbing his parter GM Jake and taking over the server for himself. The sub GMs Crono has hired are pretty much corrupt cept GM Haisho, GM Clair and GM Tipsy.
I could post alot more but I feel as the disscussion goes on. it will show itself anyway.
So... Discuss ;D
Hmmm... I think that Jake quit his job a few weeks ago or something.
Beisdes that, Clair and Haisho quit aswell. Along with that all Sub-GM's (I think) got demoted back to regular players, i can't really tell if its a good or a bad thing. Good, becuase most of them became overwhelmed with power anyways. And bad, because the players will have relatively no help anymore from the higher up's. Either way, the server is pretty much dying. The players are sick of it. Even two Sub's and an Admin quit, thats gotta say something about the rest of the server.
Next on Jerry Springer Rate My Server!
/heh
Where is the corrupt GM? I love seeing what lies they come up with.
Lol probably trying to desperately cover up from being exposed. * throws towel* ;D
Not that, I have my reasons, but if I say what they are, I may not get to see that reason in this case.
Inform the corrupt that he is reported on RMS as corrupt. He should defend himself.
xD I LOVE this. Lets see what I can say.
Jake, if I'm not mistaken, left for military a few months ago. It was a six month camp, and he's still going through it. Because of the camp, there is no real way for him to work on the thing. Crono is taking care of most things. One of the serious issues with their SVN updating is that Jake isn't there, and Crono can't really talk to him at the moment. Some of the stuff he still wants to run through him, and so on.
Crono DOES have a short temper at the moment, and I'll accept that. However, he's been seriously over worked, working 27-hour shifts without rest. CH has been the target for comments for AGES now. xD Admittedly, it is a little odd that several subGMs come from there. However, when I played against them, they seemed to play a fair game. Sure, they had Black lists. Sure, they had quite a few people at 140, but the guild IS one of the oldest in the game, and has some of the oldest players in the game. It just stands to reason that you're likely to get strong players, and that you could probably get good helpful candidates for subGM titles from a guild who had been with the server for a while.
The back stabbing thing will need serious proof, as I call bull on that. oO I don't see real corruption in the server, but I DO see over worked Admins, and, lately, a lot of on-board arguements. Nothing about any corruption arguments have ever been brought up in the boards, as far as I could tell, nor any of my guild mates. I quit the server due to my general interest in RO being killed, not for corruption. xD I personally don't really see any reasoning in your arguements, and I personally have never noted any corruption.
All the same, to give a bit of lee way, the recent board shut downs do have me puzzled. oO I pop in out of curiosity to see how everyone is doing, and they have some of the more active boards I've noticed. And, I've also noticed that it took me until some other servers were given to much controversy to not see that some staff members were short of professional. xD Dunno. I haven't seen any corruption, and strongly doubt this, but I have no true, counter corruption evidence. If anyone DOES have something they'd like to point out evidence-wise, please do so. o.o I'm moderately curious as to what I might have been blind to.
Quote from: Grimmies on Jan 18, 2008, 03:10 PM
Hmmm... I think that Jake quit his job a few weeks ago or something.
Beisdes that, Clair and Haisho quit aswell. Along with that all Sub-GM's (I think) got demoted back to regular players, i can't really tell if its a good or a bad thing. Good, becuase most of them became overwhelmed with power anyways. And bad, because the players will have relatively no help anymore from the higher up's. Either way, the server is pretty much dying. The players are sick of it. Even two Sub's and an Admin quit, thats gotta say something about the rest of the server.
all sub-gms got demoted to normal player and the other head gm jake got his account password changed by crono so crono could take over the server. just making that point clear lol.
also crono favors a certain guild that goes by the name crystal horizon. he duz this by letting the guild members of crystal horizon get away with the rule breaking by just giving them a warning or if he punish them (wich is rare/never) he gives them just a slap on the wrist. perfect example of this is the pking by KIKA, a high priest from crystal horizon. she pked a sniper in the arena (arena beeing pk free zone) and screamed OOPS in caps. it took her a good 4 hits to kill the sniper too (she was linked) so no way in the world can you shove that up as accidental pk. she got jailed for a day while pking in the arena is worth a bann.
another example is of a so called harassment report that whent in a private message to crono. the rules state you should be able to defend yourself but this person never saw any evidence of him harassing certain moron LK (moron LK beeing Stay Frosty from crystal horizon). and when he asked why he was banned for a month he got a s*** respond. also for those that want to know why heres a short version of the long story. il call the other LK X LK since you ppl already read who the other LK is.
2 LKs dont like each other moron LK keeps trying to bann other cuz moron LK sucks in pvp and need like 50 buffs to kill X LK. so crono gives them a restain order wich means first to talk to the other gets banned. ok so moron LK comes in the arena on a raondom day attacks X LK to provoke the him into saying something to him so moron LK could go "zomg u talked tu mi i rportz u". but X LK was afk and ppl saw moron LK do that and moron LK shouts OOPS!!! in caps. screen shots were taken and reported and withnesses were asked to vouce for it. they did and crono just lets it go and say report when it happens again (CLEARLY favorism again). so 1 day X LK comes in izlude (pk town) and shouts in the open walmart etc while moron LK isnt even there. moron LK gets in izlude and gets owned like the novie he is (actually a novice is better then him in so many ways....) gets all pissed, sees X LK screaming walmart in the open and talking to his friends about walmart and reports X LK for so called talking to him. srsly now since when is talking in the open and to others talking to him... and when X LK asks for the evidence he gets nothing showed so he cant defend himself nor have ppl vouching for him (go favortism from you crono).
another thing that has been going on are the sub-gms in crystal horizon deleting posts that show crystal horizon look bad or getting owned or w/e. like this 1 topic showing moron LK getting owned by baby classes in screen shot topic. OMG MAKES MI LUK BADZ COCKDEN(cockden beeing sub-gm henhouse) REMOVE NOA he goes and the sub gm removes it.
now i would rant more but i dont feel like it and if any of YOU (you know who you are) think this is all a bluff il be glad to show you all the screenshots all the evidence and crap to backup the story cept for the topic deletion seeing as crono took the forums down to prevent ppl from bringing the truth to light.
P.S: sorry for any typo i will not correct em and i will not type in a formal way cuz im way to fricking lazy.
this part to the poster above me: the reason you never read anything about it was when vayle (banned for no reason cept for cockden sucking ****) complained etc. when he posted all the krupted crap the topic got deleted and he got banned. also ppl dont post cuz they get a warning or banned the minute the sub-gms and gm sees antyhing spilling the truth.
Quote from: Veirt on Jan 18, 2008, 04:01 PM
Jake, if I'm not mistaken, left for military a few months ago. It was a six month camp, and he's still going through it.
He's been back for a good amount of time.
When Jake came back. Pretty much already Crono was already taking over and didnt want Jake to interfere.
Quote from: NoS on Jan 18, 2008, 04:50 PM
When Jake came back. Pretty much already Crono was already taking over and didnt want Jake to interfere.
thats true and jake admited he wasnt inform when another sub-gm was made (course from crystal horizon again Sting). another moron lacking skills to be a sub-gm...
example: sting has been trying to get a person that goes by the name dodger2k6 something like that from deliverance forum banned by saying hes been cussing in spanish.. and the guy can prove it cuz he has the private messages he got.
yea totally a good person to have as sub gm..
Quote from: Veirt on Jan 18, 2008, 04:01 PM
xD I LOVE this. Lets see what I can say.
Jake, if I'm not mistaken, left for military a few months ago. It was a six month camp, and he's still going through it. Because of the camp, there is no real way for him to work on the thing. Crono is taking care of most things. One of the serious issues with their SVN updating is that Jake isn't there, and Crono can't really talk to him at the moment. Some of the stuff he still wants to run through him, and so on.
Crono DOES have a short temper at the moment, and I'll accept that. However, he's been seriously over worked, working 27-hour shifts without rest. CH has been the target for comments for AGES now. xD Admittedly, it is a little odd that several subGMs come from there. However, when I played against them, they seemed to play a fair game. Sure, they had Black lists. Sure, they had quite a few people at 140, but the guild IS one of the oldest in the game, and has some of the oldest players in the game. It just stands to reason that you're likely to get strong players, and that you could probably get good helpful candidates for subGM titles from a guild who had been with the server for a while.
The back stabbing thing will need serious proof, as I call bull on that. oO I don't see real corruption in the server, but I DO see over worked Admins, and, lately, a lot of on-board arguements. Nothing about any corruption arguments have ever been brought up in the boards, as far as I could tell, nor any of my guild mates. I quit the server due to my general interest in RO being killed, not for corruption. xD I personally don't really see any reasoning in your arguements, and I personally have never noted any corruption.
All the same, to give a bit of lee way, the recent board shut downs do have me puzzled. oO I pop in out of curiosity to see how everyone is doing, and they have some of the more active boards I've noticed. And, I've also noticed that it took me until some other servers were given to much controversy to not see that some staff members were short of professional. xD Dunno. I haven't seen any corruption, and strongly doubt this, but I have no true, counter corruption evidence. If anyone DOES have something they'd like to point out evidence-wise, please do so. o.o I'm moderately curious as to what I might have been blind to.
Crono always has a short temper for people who question him and his ways of bending the rules. specially if its against a main CH member. Yes if its pvp you wont see any of it. But if you look at lvling wise and bending rules its very useful specially in deleting reports about corruption ;D. If you want a slight hint of proof by some of the population that has just recently seen whats been going on. Check the section on rms on the comments some people have posted. And Crono's reply to them.
This is RO we are talking about right?
Quote from: Zone on Jan 18, 2008, 07:01 PM
This is RO we are talking about right?
Sometimes I wondered about that ???
Hey guys. I'll inform you all that Jake did not "Quit". He left for basic training last May but came back to continue to help with his beloved server. It was not until about a week ago (roughly) on our 1 year anniversary (guess who I am yet?) that Jake goes to log into the server to fix a few things and happens to find out all of his passwords have been changed! =O Mutiny? I think so.
His lovely "Friend" and "Partner" decided to see it fit to change all of his passwords to keep Jake out of it. So, a week later all of this B.S. goes down. Karma is a funny thing, ain't it?
Best of all, Marc decides to blame all of this on Jake. Funny, Jake hasn't been around recently due to his busy schedule with the Military. Marc's head is so far up his own donkey he'll be able to see daylight soon.
I am glad to hear that Marc is having a mental breakdown, poor guy, everyone praising him all these
years telling him he's doing such a great job. Well, the tables have turned.
=] I hope I shed some more light to you guys.
Need more information? Ask Dan for my MSN.
xD Heh. Well, Zone? Remember when you said we hadn't had e-Drama in a while? Guess we might get some of that now. Mwuahahaha!
I don't really accept negative comments and their come backs as real proof. xD They could easily be spite, and counter spite. I had played the server for a while, and saw it as being pretty corruption clear. oO No one complained about any of the subGMs playing, because, well, to put it bluntly, they kind of suck too much to say anything about. xD Henhouse, a 140 High Wizard, for example, was slaughtered with ease by a simple stalker, so... Meh. =P WoE / PVP-wise, they're hardly corrupt. Any other ways, there may be some favoritism, but I still haven't seen anything too serious. o.o
xD ... Heh. Damn it, why has none else told me of this?! Farking hell. Dunno. I think I'm going to contact a few friends from Deli and see what they've to say about this, too. o.o
Edit: Well... Damn. I guess I'll have to accept what my old guildies tell me. o_O Dunno, I don't see them lying. Here's a post on a guild forum that we have set up, for when the servers go down, or for the hell of it.
QuoteMost of us have gotten bored of Deliverance. Why? its years out of date, theres no events apart from the typical run-of-the-mill s***, and there are sinXs with sleiphs, dopples megs and incants running around like headless chickens in WoE.
Recently, there have been.... Stuff happening in Deliverance. What kind of stuff? Drama, flame wars, and corruption. Dont bother looking for the threads they have already deleted/hidden them.
Basically, big guilds such as CH and Paw are flaming each other. Subbies like Henhouse are turning a blind-eye to rulebreakers in his guild, Pado is making haxxed clients so thier guildmates can see WoE damage, among other things.
Paw on the other hand is being accused of lvling with a Thanny card given to one of their members by Jake, the admin. This act of corruption may have caused several members to lvl to 140, but i can only speculate.
From what I remember, there was a post about this server on eAthena. I think they stole this server from Nasedo of Redemption. Now it seems Crono might steal it from Jake. Very amusing. I remember Dzerox and Nasedo talking about this on #mudkips.
I am personally surprised it is still up, I played on it a while ago and found everything to be a mess. It's like random customs chucked into a server from the eAthena boards.
Either way, a server with a few hundred players run by a couple of kids can't have a good ending.
Well, I would love a few hundred players.
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If this guy is admin alone without gms, lol, it will fail.
Quote from: Lantis on Jan 18, 2008, 07:53 PM
From what I remember, there was a post about this server on eAthena. I think they stole this server from Nasedo of Redemption. Now it seems Crono might steal it from Jake. Very amusing. I remember Dzerox and Nasedo talking about this on #mudkips.
Though, Nasedo was a god aweful Admin aswell.
Quote from: Grimmies on Jan 18, 2008, 11:37 PM
Quote from: Lantis on Jan 18, 2008, 07:53 PM
From what I remember, there was a post about this server on eAthena. I think they stole this server from Nasedo of Redemption. Now it seems Crono might steal it from Jake. Very amusing. I remember Dzerox and Nasedo talking about this on #mudkips.
Though, Nasedo was a god aweful Admin aswell.
Regardless what kind of admin that person was, they still stole it from him (so Lantis claims).
Quote from: Zone on Jan 18, 2008, 11:48 PM
Quote from: Grimmies on Jan 18, 2008, 11:37 PM
Quote from: Lantis on Jan 18, 2008, 07:53 PM
From what I remember, there was a post about this server on eAthena. I think they stole this server from Nasedo of Redemption. Now it seems Crono might steal it from Jake. Very amusing. I remember Dzerox and Nasedo talking about this on #mudkips.
Though, Nasedo was a god aweful Admin aswell.
Regardless what kind of admin that person was, they still stole it from him (so Lantis claims).
Yeah, i know, but i was just saying, don't want people to think he's a good person, now.
I honestly can't say if it was stolen or not, but yeah, a few things were copies off it. Though it did have it own stuff aswell.
On the other hand, i didnt know Crono changed all of Jake's passwords. Thats just peachy, i'm glad i found out the truth about that one. It just makes Crono look even worst then he already is. Nice, Crono. Nice.
Can we give him a lil' poke so he can defend himself?
I was just meaning that it's a server where the administrator-ship has never been good. The GM team seems to steal and back stab from each other. There seems to be a constant internal power struggle.
This is no news to me, being victim of this corruption not once but twice. It has a long history of corruption, especially with guilds and pvp.
This servers staff will ban you for simply suspecting corruption of an admin. Even when you have past evidence of them abusing pvp. Suspecting corruption = disrespect ( apparently? ) even when you are reporting suspicions to another admin. If you cannot suspect how on earth can you ask questions regarding the matter?
It all started when Jake began killing me frequently in Izlude PvP on his secret "legit" This secret legit was used against me to kill me in a harassful manner. He'd use @who to find my location and virtually wouldn't allow me to enjoy pvp as other players have. This legit was far from legit I'll point out >.> FAR from legit. What kind of mature admin goes out killing players based on meaningless grudges such as... "Oh she knew something about RO client that I didn't and proved it... so I'm going to take it personally and kill her with my char that know one knows about"
After freaking out in PM to Melody ( bad idea ) that the GM team was using favoritism in pvp, she screen shotted it and sent it to her crush ( Jake ) and Jake of course banned me. But not after abusing his GM powers on my char by warping me and allowing other players to kill me for his personal amusement... ( Yeah thats corrupt in itself )
Either way I came back about 6 months later, thinking that I could change some things and maybe catch a few corrupt GMs. I created a guild called "Broken Wings" which was devoted to being fair to everyone, not provoking attacks in pvp/woe ( unless it was against GM favored guilds ). Eventually it became the 3rd/4th largest guild in the server. Maybe bigger... It was allied with Divine and many of the anti-corruption guilds. Either way during that time I caught a GM cheating using her commands to mass spawn bathories and then jump on her legit to kill them. This GM is aka GM-Sharu, Jake's girlfriend at the time.
Surprising huh? First the pvp abuse and now his gf caught in the act of corruption? Not only was her star gladiator killing bathories but it had a merchant cart too! This was frequently seen with GM favored players from Izlude, where most of these players would have carts/falcons etc. There were many reports of GMs giving items to these players.
Either way there were a couple guilds created I cant remember the first one... The second was "Raiders of the lost Panty" But both originally contained most of the GM staff's legits and every GM friend ( including the donators which had every imaginable item that was good for pvp ) you can think of. This guild had something like 5 castles every WoE where as other legit guilds that have been there much longer... only had 2.
Either way I witnessed time and time again where secret events would be held for this guild's members and allies that none of the rest of the server even knew about. All held by GM-Sharu, this also includes other notable public events in which this GMs sister would win and in almost every instant where the prize was worth anything... The "Raiders of the Lost Panty" members would win every event. Sure maybe 2 times... but like 30 times is pushing the random chance barrier. I came to the conclusion that these events were rigged as well. Many players agreed with me and reported to Crono.
But Crono was either part of the corruption or in absolute denial of it, because I reported the bathory incident to him but he never did a thing ( from what I could tell ) Gm-Sharu continued to abuse day in and day out... and giving that many players were coming in with reports of abuse... You'd think someone would do something about it?
Either way, eventually I told Crono I suspected Jake of the source, and the next day Jake is @kicking me from the game while I was hunting mastala fruits from grand peco peco. He did this about 5 times until I told him to stop >.> Then he @killed my char, and BAM I'm warped to Izlude PvP where he demotes my character to a 1/1 novice. I cant remember the entire conversation but eventually I said "I am allowed to suspect corruption" and his response was "Well I suspect you are a b*tch" I also told him about catching his GF ( his gf was there at the time ) she called me a "b*tchy something whore" cant remember what "something" was. Keep in mind I am not throwing any insults back.
Either way I was later banned, and Crono re-enforced lies about me saying how I "walked up to jake and called him corrupt" Being forced to a place against my will and changed to a 1/1 novice is considered "walking up" to him? I heard that someone posted screenshots of what happened in pvp during that time and the thread deleted because they supported me more than them.
Either way I left the Deli drama behind me, over the year I have heard a few stories. Regarding Melody and Jake, how Sharu broke up with Jake because he was cheating on her with Melody, and Melody recieving free items like GTB card from Jake. "Oh Melody want this GTB card? I killed one GTB and it dropped a card!" Yeah right >.>
Anyway even later on when Jake went to his boot camp I heard another story regarding Melody. How Melody had access to Jake's GM account and she was doing things with his power. In which case I think Crono demoted Jake when he found out. Keep in mind this is just something I heard. Either way.. Jake is no innocent when it comes to any of this e-drama. Do not trust him... and for Crono I suggest not trusting him either... considering he is the one who sat by and let all this happen in the first place. Inaction can lead to corruption too.
Edit: Added a few little things. Veirt Crystal Horizon is a relatively new guild compared to other guilds.
I just love RO-drama. It's better than most novels nowadays :v
Yeah I do feel bad for the people who ended on the worst end, and I wish the people responsible for these madnesses would grow up and mature, but meh, until then I'll just be amused at the amount of drama a bunch of teenagers can cook up.
Even though in this case, the people who are telling the anecdotes all were mature enough to move and leave the server behind instead of dedicating their lives into a pointless crusader to demote the server. I am disappointed* :<
* Good for them for being mature, but you gotta admit e-drama tastes the best when all the involved are a bunch of angst-ridden immature kiddies :v
Chrono & Jake, are older then you or me skotlex ....
QuoteRegarding Melody and Jake, how Sharu broke up with Jake because he was cheating on her with Melody,
Lmao. 'Cheating' riiiight. On a game? Very amusing. Was he sending her too many emoticons? :P
@Kaid
They act like they're kiddies. Their legal age is irrelevant. Their actions reflect their maturity level.
From Mewi's post it seems that they are power tripping children with some sort of 'God Complex'.
I do offer for them to post though to try and clear their name. We are only hearing from one side at the moment, if they don't reply then it will be the only side we will hear.
As amusing this is, the real amusement is when they actually come in and try to defend themselves.
Have them join in D:
It should be interesting to hear from their side. All this baby mama e-drama. ::)
Yeah, and it also makes RMS forums a bit more lively.
xD I was only there for about a year, Mewi, so it may well be not nearly as old as some other guilds. Still, they're currently the SubGM hot spot. =P Tch.
I LOVE being lucky. xD I got out of that server maybe two, three weeks before all of this e-drama started showing up, so most of my info on the current issue is PURELY based on some RO buddies telling me what is going on. Some of them are pissed, some of them are, "Eh. Another one. Which server now, or are we calling RO quits?" So... xD Mwuaha. This is kind of entertaining. I did, admittedly, donate to the place - Fifty or so dollars, for two little lights and their premiums - but it's only the price of a video game that you can beat within a week anyway, and then never touch because it has no replay value. Thus, I have no problem with losing the "investment." =D
I'll be lurking this thread. xD I love watching the e-drama. I never turn on my tv for anything but video games. These scenes are why. With this going on, who the hell needs tv? every post is a new episode. =D Wooo~ Screw waiting an entire week for the next one. xD
Yup, I am quitting RO entirely soon.
I already gave my friend my main on AnthemRO.
It's no fun and while the money would be good, I need to focus on PQS and physical fitness so I will be ready for boot camp.
But these e-Soaps are great *grabs popcorn*
Like how Mikka was on AnthemRO advertising and said it was his friend, but when GM Denia looked up the account, it was registered to his msn address.
/sigh Admins like that make me laugh, at them of course.
Yes, yay for Drama and GM curruption. I still remember back at Reincarnation where most of the veteran Deli players came from. Ah it was so peaceful there even with a bad GM. I remember starting it and my friend was already playing it. Then I mean Crono! One of the coolest guy I know because he gave me 300 anolian skins to make a blue bandana my little trade mark. He was one of those people who would be on justice's side. Well... it was cool untill he was promoted to GM. He was a strict GM and a symbol of justice upon the Rein players. But what happened behind the scenes is totally different. Shara like you said before, came from the same group of my word for really really really popular players is "RO Preppys." She was from their little circle.
Heres where I starting finding this out. Back on Rein, a glitch was found that only a few players... namely 6 people knew about. It was a book from the Alchemist NPC that sold for more then you bought it for. You can then shove all that money into a banker which gives interest... and repeat it over... and over... and over... again. Now heres my mistake... I saw a bid on a Turtle Gen card and I do love winning bids knowing I had infinite cash on my hands. The bid reached over 120 billion.... and my opponent... apperently he told me that Sharu was the one benifiting him... now the money was getting wayyyy over the limit of a person was able to hold on one character... Now see.. after I ... ahem... Won the bid Crono started seeing 3 novices filled to the brim with Zenny.. (very bad mistake on my part.) I was caught and the other guy also caught and told who gave the zennys to him. The outcome was... I had a item wiped on my account while sharu got away clean. I asked her about the zenny giltch and she told me "I didn't know it was a glitch." ... Isn't that a bit much I mean.. your milking a NPC for it's own item and selling it back to it for more money? HOW IS THAT NOT A GLITCH?!?!?! Even a nub would noticed that. Ok.. thats over with now..
A few months or was it 1 year... I don't remember it was awhile ago.. people started hating Nasedo the Rein GM... no one liked him and he was apperently going to wipe the server. (I don't know the full detail on this problem but yeah..)
Around that time, words got around about Crono and Jake making their own server, Deliverance. Only a few people were told about this, but it spread... really fast.. it was like their salvation to move to a new server where everybody they knew was going to go there. A few months after the move to Deli, I noticed Crono has been becoming alittle stricter.. I thought, "hey hes a GM, he must be trying to fit into his job and show no favoritism." All was normal for me till a little incident. People starting black listing like crazy. (Black listing is a form of donation that cost 100 USDs... basically the rich's way of getting good on Deli.) Sure some were players who were good before but then some people I noticed that I used to always be able to own suddenly having these BlackListed items were being able to own me. Ok... so the black listing wasn't the problem. Champs and Paladins have a skill they can spam... and it would be totally leatal with a weapon called.... bum bum bum bum... *insert echoey mysterious deep voice* The MJLONIR!!!!(probably mispelled but who cares..)*end echoey mysterious deep voice*. Pressure the Paladin spell was becoming faster and it was spam able now without a change in build from Vit. Champs became faster in most of their skills like firing Spirit balls at people and charging up Asuras really fast with the use of Berrys to keep up the constant asuras.
After awhile people started seeing how unbalance it was. The Crono apperently I believe said that they were going to take Mjolnir off Champs. But knowingly that Blacklisting is the proper income for him (this I also suspect him using donation money for his own good.. seeing as no matter how much the server gets donated, it never really got better.) He only halved the Dex on the Mjo for Aycolte class, (Champs, monks, Priest, ect.) Believe me... 20 Dex is half of 40 dex but it still... gives a heller lot of advantage to a class that wasn't suppose to have it in the first place. After that basically around the end of the year I saw this forum thread that had a poll in it that has the vote of "I vote, I vote sometimes, and I don't vote cause I'm a tard." Yes I take that into offense since I don't vote for a good reason. I posted in on the thread and put in "I don't vote because I don't like the way this server is. I only play cause I only hang out with the few of the RO buddies I have that hasn't quit do to some retarded drama with other people" (Not a direct quote but its close to what I I said.. I think.) Anyways.. Crono comes in after people bash on me saying that the "tard" thing was a joke and was not meant to be taken seriously. He said "Well Vote for more people to join so they can replace the people who left." Now I'm just thinking.. "I said my friends left and hes telling me to vote to replace them???"
And thats my experience into how Crono sees people as money bags.. Yes I know to some of you it may not sound like a big deal by the way I explain things but you played on the same server for as long as I did.. you'll probably see things my way.. unless you have the GM's favoritism.
Man, all of this is like that game called 'telephone.' No doubt due to your affinities for useless drama, your perceptions of what really happened are warped, over-exaggerated or just plain lies. Not to mention most of the people posting here hate Deliverance for one reason or another. :P Sounds like a fair representation of a server, isn't that right Delivi-Fail, or should I say, Melody-Fail?
Crono hasn't 'stolen' the server from Jake. There were too many offenses Jake committed to remain an active GM of Deliverance, and Melody was a major part of Jake's repetative poor-choice-making. I could list them, but Mewi already explained most of them and was herself a player that experienced his anger first hand. I guess that's karma for you, considering he was the one who banned her out of disrespect. Pity. Anywho, most of this so-called Deliverance corruption ended with his removal.
Hmmm...who paid for the server?
Wow, I've never seen so many lies in my entire life. I guess you guys haven't bothered to read the ToS, eh?
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In response to MoonlightShadow:
First off, Reincarnation was FAR from peaceful. Crono didn't steal the server from Nas. Jake didn't steal the server from Nas. Every month the message of the day was and STAYED, "Cmon guys we need to raise 200 dollars or I'm gonna have to close the server." The entire time I played there, that message remained. Well over a year it was there, amount never changed, and every month he claimed he was broke. However, when he'd come around and talk to his GMs, he'd tell them how he used some of the money to fix his car and buy $500 designer sunglasses. Not only that, but after he hired Crono, Jake, and Pado, he didn't contribute much of anything to the server or his staff. They would do the work, they would fix problems, they would be the ones staying up all night dealing with bugs and those who abused them. Stuff would be fixed and all ready to go and Nas would come back randomly and without consenting anyone, he'd implement something that was NOT working correctly. Thus causing server instability. Nas posted, on the forums, for everyone to see that he was going to Japan and some other place, I think Australia for about a year, and wouldn't be on much if at all. After that Reincarnation was being -hosted- not stolen by Jake and Crono. Redemption was still under Nasedo's crappy hosting and whatever not. Jake and Crono hosted it and hosted it damn well. However... As it turns out, Nas wasn't as well mannered as some believe. He was harassing young girls for their pictures on the server. He said he would ban them if he didn't get them. Not a rumor, I was talking to two of the girls he did it to. They're both actually good friends of mine. That being said... He [out of no where] hired a girl as a SubGM. No one knew who she was really, or where she came from. That pissed off and confused mass amounts of people, and the things she did didn't help either. It was later believed [and uh.. confirmed >.>] that this girl gave Nas uh... suggestive pictures of herself in return for items and essentially, the SubGM position. It pretty much went to s*** right after that happened. It brought more drama than it was worth. She and a few others abused their access to the CP and did a few things that subGMs shouldn't do so THEN Nas tries to step in, but made it no better. A "hacker" or whoever the hell the guy was gets on the server and eats it and Crono and Jake gave well enough warning that they were not going to host the server anymore. Nas couldn't be bothered to give half a s*** about it anyway.
Yes, a glitch was found of Reincarnation involving Alchemist Books. You claim a few people new about it... About 6? I'm sorry sweetheart, but you are terribly wrong. There were more than 6 people who knew about it. Back when that happened, they closed the server and deleted all the bank NPCs so all that zeny was gone. The zeny that was on a person's characters remained, unless of course it was obviously zeny gained from the glitch. People disliked Nas long before any of that happened. I joined the server and played for a year. I was there when the zeny was wiped and people hated him before then so yeah xD
Crono -did- get a bit more strict towards the end of Reincarnation but that's because everyone and their mom/brother/cousin/dad were abusing any and every bug possible. It ranged from duping items to soul stone bugs, to Ghostring bugs, to having access to a GMs account and making their own items. Obviously someone had to say enough was enough, and it just so happened that Crono seemed to be the only one to give a damn and do something about it.
Blacklisting at that time was NOT 100 USDs. It was 100 CAD which was about 80ish USD at the time. The Mjolnir incident with Champs and Paladins was unfortunate. Yes the spam got out of control but he did do something about instead of ignoring it. I do not believe Crono EVER said they were going to disable Champs and Pallies from using it. It was all just a rumor. However, Crono did say that the problem would be dealt with, which it was. It sickens me that you even dared to say that Crono only cared about the money income for the Blacklists and that's why he didn't stop the use of it for those classes. Crono has always tried to do what's best for the players and still keep people satisfied. And for someone who played on Reincarnation, you should know that to be the truth.
"He said "Well Vote for more people to join so they can replace the people who left." Now I'm just thinking.. "I said my friends left and hes telling me to vote to replace them???"" -- Okay... Don't know how to say this without being rude but.. You really took offense to that? Him saying to replace those who left? I'm pretty damn sure he didn't mean it that way. He's old enough to know that it isn't easy to replace a good friend. I think he meant replace them as players, NOT replace a friend.
It's nice that you all speak of Jake as a decent individual... How about mentioning the fact that Jake was giving his girlfriend items that weren't released to the public yet. Let's not mention that he unbanned her at least 3 times even though she's committed quite the number of offenses. How was the server "stolen" from Jake, when Jake didn't give half a s*** to be bothered to help the players with problems or issues they had? Jake would ONLY step in when his girlfriend was involved, or someone who was a good friend of his. Is that not favoritism? I recall Jake holding about 3 help desks in the entire history of Deliverance and none on Reincarnation. Crono was always the one holding the help desks. If Crono wasn't holding them, the subGMs sure as hell were.
Even right now, as half the server is acting like ungrateful, whining, internet junkies, Crono is working to get things done to keep you all happy. But him trying isn't enough for you all. It never has been, never will be. *^__^*
Hello. I am a member of Crystal Horizon, the aforementioned, and in many people's eyes, the guild which gets all the favoritism from the GM's, is the source of all corruption, blah blah, all that jazz. Let me just say right now that I am a normal and regular member, not any of the guild leaders (Tomf, Trebor, Hyper Wang GO, Hatsuharu, Stay Frosty) nor am I any of the GM's accused of corruption in the FCP incident (Crono, Henhouse, Sting). I am not even any of the GM's in CH uninvolved in the FCP incident (Jake, Clair, Tipsy, Haisho, Sharu, etc) or the one directly accused and banned for dual clienting(Karma~Sutra). I'm just a regular player with no special powers or identity in the guild.
I have no particular goal nor do I have any hopes of deterring you from your hate towards Crystal Horizon or anything else. I don't believe that I have any amount of charisma. Feel free to prove me wrong, but not in hate please - as I merely wish to know. I will not call people out as to not create a hostile environment.
I also understand completely if your response to this is "tl;dr," and for those of you who take the time to read this reply, I thank you in advance.
In many of these posts, Crono is the only GM related with corruption. That is not to say that he is innocent, but there are plenty of rumors and facts of corruption circling Jake, the former admin.
Jake premmed a non-prem who was his friend from Reincarnation. He suddenly acquired a Thanaos Card, claiming it to be legitimate, when there was no screenshot or witness to prove it. He then proceeded to let several people (mainly from the guild his Star Gladiator character was in, Paw Alliance) borrow it to level themselves, even to 140. He spawned various headgears, lites, blacklists, and other items for his former and current girlfriends. Someone handed in an Earth element-endowed Mjolnir to Crono. He had a seemingly endless supply of berries he continuously used in PvP Izlude or WoE, but he never went hunting.
Are you choosing not to scream persecution onto Jake while giving Crono hell for letting someone who minorly infringed a rule off with a warning? Maybe Crono could have laid down a slight harder punishment, but is this blunder anything compared to the amount of things that Jake has done? Is the reason because Karma is a member of CH, and you think Crono is favoring CH?
I am sure that if this were a member of Divine or Paw Alliance, that he would have let the person off with the same punishment: a warning. And if it was, I am equally sure that CH would certainly not continually make topics that accomplish nothing but drama and flaming.
Crystal Horizon noticed a lot of the things that Jake was doing, namely the Thanatos card he spawned and the items that he had spawned for his girlfriends. But most of us gave Jake the benefit of the doubt, having faith that Crono wouldn't co-own a server with someone who does that kind of stuff.
In return, we got a painful slap to the face as Divine and Paw Alliance refused us that benefit of the doubt we so graciously gave Jake. Yes, Karma was guilty of dual clienting. Yes, it was a minor infringement. Yes, she was warned. Yes, Crono had let people off with a warning before. Yes, maybe instead of just a warning, she should have been banned for a couple of days. No, Sting and Hen did not catch the dual clienting because the heat of WoE was on their backs. Yes, maybe they should have been more attentive and yes, maybe they should be banned along with Karma.
I know it is human nature to assume things. But many of you Divine and Paw Alliance members know what it is like in WoE. It is one of the few parts of the game that I feel adrenaline and contribute my full attention to. The only thing that runs through my mind is killing enemies, WoE strategies, etc. I hardly pay attention to anything else. And by anything else, I mean it. If I get PM's, IM's, or if someone says hello to me in public chat, I will not even notice.
That is what many call "the heat of WoE." Henhouse and Sting were clearly in it, and there was the clear possibility of them, in all truthfulness, not noticing. Henhouse even posted his exact situation at that time confirming this in a post on the forums. But it seemed that most people were blinded by their own bias and initial dislike for CH for whatever reason.
Should you guys even let initial dislike of a group of people cloud your judgment in the first place? Sure, CH and Divine/Paw are rivals in WoE, and maybe sometimes even in Izlude. But why should any of that carry over to other situations? Outside of WoE and Izlude, I am positively inclined towards many people in Divine and Paw, as they are intelligent and funny people. I truly believed it was the same for them, but I was slowly proven wrong as members of Divine and Paw started to ignore me - which of course, may have not been their fault at all - but the whole thing was punctuated with the flurry of seemingly bloodthirsty, illogical attitude of those who posted in topics related to the FCP incident.
My other concern is that wherever you guys go, any new server, many people retain the hate and malice of Deli or CH. Certainly, you have a right to hate, but must you really label us as a****** without us there to defend ourselves? It's over, you guys seem to have moved on from Deli, Karma is banned, and all GM power save for Crono's has been revoked. You basically got what you wanted, so the reasons behind many actions taken by various people are really just.. beyond me.
"Life is too short to waste on hatred." -Melody
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I'll just post this as my point of view and then let you guys continue the drama mongering - I'll be no part of it.
I'll go over this topic by topic.
1. Reincarnation: I became a GM here. The server hadn't been updated in months, accounts and data were being deleted nonstop by some odd data-eating bug, and almost nothing worked (ie- woe didn't even work). I recommended Jake to join the team and together we put up a new subversion and fixed all the issues the server was having. I revamped every file; fixed every script (for example, the Slayer coven script alone had 36 separate bugs in it. 36!!!!) In fact, we did pretty much everything at this point. Work being done, the head GM neglected the place entirely and, when he did pop in, overwrote some of our fixes with old files ("lol oops" - true quote). The other active GM, Shozoku, gave items to Bliss/Melody. And the server fell into drama (among other things, but it's in the past so I'll just let it go, plus some of the people above touched on it), so Jake and I left. Jake offered the server database back to Nasedo. I don't know what become of that. Jake was the one with the data. So yeah, we used some customs from there, but guess what - we either made or fixed them all in the first place. We also later returned and helped them patch the ROCP exploit so their server would not be ripped apart by it. This is not the action of malicious people. They held hard feelings still, but we had moved on. We also didn't invite anyone so as not to be peckers about it and steal the players. They found us and followed because they were dissatisfied with their server.
2. SubGM corruption: I don't think any subGM in the history of RO has not been accused of corruption. One of our guys used @follow to get to ice dungeon faster. I banned him for a week and laid out a strict warning. This isn't good enough to some people. And yeah, some people tell me Ando is the only good one. Some people say Clair is the only good one. Some people say Tipsy is the only good one. Etc. See a pattern here? Nobody appeals to everybody. They're all in one guild, yeah. Members of this guild have been punished, if anything, unfairly harshly so as to dismiss claims of favoritism.
3. My corruption: I have purposefully avoided playing the game per se in order to avoid any bias. I don't know what guilds players belong to, and I've banned people of all kinds. I am tough on rulebreakers, but I\'m also sensible. I may have played on the "tough GM" persona a great deal to keep the people happy, but behind the scenes my fist wasn't so iron. I gave people chances. I like to think I'm reasonable. Which is probably what caused the trouble here - I didn't think a permanent ban was a reasonable punishment for someone using dual clients to buff a friend. Honestly, they saved a few seconds. Move on with your lives. If I permanently banned someone of any other guild for such an action people would've said I was being too harsh and revolted anyway. As for 'banning' Jake, read on.
4. Jake corruption: I have received a lot of complaints about Jake over some time. Inappropriate behavior and item giving sort of stuff. Killing people on his GM because his legit got killed. That sort of s***. He was good at avoiding the logs so mostly it just looked invalid and none of it was confirmed. I trusted him; afterall, none of this would exist without him. But as of late, and especially since getting with Bliss/Melody (lol@historyrepeatingitself) the trust started waning. I personally wrote him to mention my doubts and see if we could work it out somehow. Nothing changed. And just recently, some confirmations of the item giving being true (hats, even a Jake's VVVS Earth Mjolnir). That was the nail in the coffin - undeniable proof. I changed the passwords. He's good with computers; he can break in anytime he wants. I've chosen to trust him not to do this.
So that's that. Move on with your lives folks, arguing accomplishes nothing.
Hoo boy. Lots of hate for Crono in here. For those who don't know already, I'm the leader of this so-called "corrupt" guild, Crystal Horizon, and I'm here to defend both my guild and our server from these outrageous and hateful claims. It's painful for me to see our former friends and allies throwing such negativity about us around. Everyone seems to have this image in their head of Crystal Horizon being a bunch of super prissy and aloof British men smoking around a fire and discussing our latest escapades in corruption while chuckling and adjusting our monocles. Yes, we have most of the sub-GMs in our guild. No, they don't aid our guild, aside from the fact that each and every one of them are very competent players. I'm going to address some of the claims against us:
Quote from: NoS on Jan 18, 2008, 02:20 PM
To start this off this server is a mr server with the max lvl being 140/70, max stats 99 with the rates of 50/50/30 and is partner owned by GM Jake and Crono. GM Jake takes care of all the coding and server issues. While Crono deals more with the people. As of late. the corruption thats been happening behind the scenes is finally coming into light. GM Crono. At first this guy seems alright and the ideal model of what a GM should be. But when you get into a mess with this guild called Crystal Horizon. The corruption starts to show itself. First ill say to him face is everything, He will not respond to questions that have a ligit case to the corruption and will either remove the topic or in this case recently since the corruption has been coming out lock down the forums. Now if that is not all. GM Crono has topped himself by backstabbing his parter GM Jake and taking over the server for himself. The sub GMs Crono has hired are pretty much corrupt cept GM Haisho, GM Clair and GM Tipsy.
I could post alot more but I feel as the disscussion goes on. it will show itself anyway.
So... Discuss ;D
This "ligit" case of corruption that NoS is referring to is a dispute between Divine/Paw and CH regarding one of our members dualclienting. In the past, it was made quite clear that dualclienting to do anything that would net one an advantage over other players was a bannable offense. What happened was one of our sub-GMs(Henhouse) asked in guildchat during WoE for a Full Chemical Protection. Terri, who was at the time sitting in the PVP arena waiting room doing absolutely nothing, agreed to help him. Rather than log out, switch accounts, and log back in, she chose instead to dualclient onto her creator and give Henhouse his FCP. Why not just switch accounts and avoid all this drama in the first place? Terri said it was general laziness. In addition, switching accounts often leads to an extremely annoying error that causes a disconnection and inability to reconnect for a minute or so. So the issue is that while her priest sat in a room and did nothing, her creator gave an FCP to a sub-GM. Ignoring the fact that Henhouse might not have even noticed Terri there in the first place, it's rather obvious that Terri didn't do anything that would net her an advantage aside from saving a few seconds and avoiding the aforementioned error. This falls under the classification of a "Grey area" of the rules. When Crono saw the report, he PMed Terri and asked about it, she explained herself, and he decided that she hadn't gained any special advantage and chose not to ban. He made a judgment call.
Now it should've ended there, but no. These same people who are crying out corruption decided to make not one but three different topics on the forums calling the GMs out for the corrupt individuals they are, instigating massive flame wars. This ended in Crono giving Terri a ban and demoting all of his team to satisfy the mob, at which point they all left and began spamming the entire internet with propaganda about how horrible a place dRO is and how bad of a GM Crono is. So yes, Crono may have "backstabbed" everyone and taken control of the server, but he did it because it was pretty much demanded of him.
Quote from: gallion_percival on Jan 18, 2008, 04:23 PM
all sub-gms got demoted to normal player and the other head gm jake got his account password changed by crono so crono could take over the server. just making that point clear lol.
also crono favors a certain guild that goes by the name crystal horizon. he duz this by letting the guild members of crystal horizon get away with the rule breaking by just giving them a warning or if he punish them (wich is rare/never) he gives them just a slap on the wrist. perfect example of this is the pking by KIKA, a high priest from crystal horizon. she pked a sniper in the arena (arena beeing pk free zone) and screamed OOPS in caps. it took her a good 4 hits to kill the sniper too (she was linked) so no way in the world can you shove that up as accidental pk. she got jailed for a day while pking in the arena is worth a bann.
another example is of a so called harassment report that whent in a private message to crono. the rules state you should be able to defend yourself but this person never saw any evidence of him harassing certain moron LK (moron LK beeing Stay Frosty from crystal horizon). and when he asked why he was banned for a month he got a s*** respond. also for those that want to know why heres a short version of the long story. il call the other LK X LK since you ppl already read who the other LK is.
2 LKs dont like each other moron LK keeps trying to bann other cuz moron LK sucks in pvp and need like 50 buffs to kill X LK. so crono gives them a restain order wich means first to talk to the other gets banned. ok so moron LK comes in the arena on a raondom day attacks X LK to provoke the him into saying something to him so moron LK could go "zomg u talked tu mi i rportz u". but X LK was afk and ppl saw moron LK do that and moron LK shouts OOPS!!! in caps. screen shots were taken and reported and withnesses were asked to vouce for it. they did and crono just lets it go and say report when it happens again (CLEARLY favorism again). so 1 day X LK comes in izlude (pk town) and shouts in the open walmart etc while moron LK isnt even there. moron LK gets in izlude and gets owned like the novie he is (actually a novice is better then him in so many ways....) gets all pissed, sees X LK screaming walmart in the open and talking to his friends about walmart and reports X LK for so called talking to him. srsly now since when is talking in the open and to others talking to him... and when X LK asks for the evidence he gets nothing showed so he cant defend himself nor have ppl vouching for him (go favortism from you crono).
another thing that has been going on are the sub-gms in crystal horizon deleting posts that show crystal horizon look bad or getting owned or w/e. like this 1 topic showing moron LK getting owned by baby classes in screen shot topic. OMG MAKES MI LUK BADZ COCKDEN(cockden beeing sub-gm henhouse) REMOVE NOA he goes and the sub gm removes it.
now i would rant more but i dont feel like it and if any of YOU (you know who you are) think this is all a bluff il be glad to show you all the screenshots all the evidence and crap to backup the story cept for the topic deletion seeing as crono took the forums down to prevent ppl from bringing the truth to light.
P.S: sorry for any typo i will not correct em and i will not type in a formal way cuz im way to fricking lazy.
this part to the poster above me: the reason you never read anything about it was when vayle (banned for no reason cept for cockden sucking d***) complained etc. when he posted all the krupted crap the topic got deleted and he got banned. also ppl dont post cuz they get a warning or banned the minute the sub-gms and gm sees antyhing spilling the truth.
First off: The events surrounding Kika's PKing in the arena were also the result of a judgment call by Crono. Here's how it all played out. First Crystal Horizon recruited this sniper by the name of Frog. We got along pretty well and things were fine until one day he told us he was reported for PKing in the arena. His defense was that he had PKed a member of one of our alliances. At that time Kika went HURR HUR THEN I GUESS THIS OK TOO and PKed him as well. Now while it's not legal to PK at all, it's generally assumed that your own guildmates won't report you if you're screwing around and kill them. Unfortunately this was not the case, as Frog immediately left the guild and reported Kika. Crono saw this and ended up letting them both off(Frog was a member of our rival guild at this point), and took the opportunity to clarify the rules for PKing once and for all. Both members got off with a slap on the wrist, despite being in completely different guilds. No favoritism there.
Second: In regards to the restraining order between NoS and Stay Frosty: These two had a long history of dislike for each other. Frosty took several screenshots of NoS s*** him in public as well as calling him "Wal-mart boy", a derogatory remark aimed at Frosty's job(despite the fact that he's never worked at Wal-Mart). After repeated incidents of harassment, Frosty asked Crono for a restraining order, which is a standard thing on dRO that says you're allowed to kill each other, but not talk to each other. Both parties were made well aware of this, yet NoS continued to call Frosty Wal-Mart boy. And no surprise, he was banned for it.
Crono's far from a corrupt GM. He's put in thousands of man-hours to his server with no reward other than the enjoyment of his players. Do you all remember when Maelstrom f*** over our entire economy by duping hundreds of MVP cards and spreading them around the server? Do you remember what Crono did for everyone who suffered because of the item wipe that ensued? He went through every single player's accounts, one by one, and looked through and restored every single legit item. All by himself. For no other reason than to make us happy. That's the kind of GM he is. And for the record, CH isn't in cohoots with the guy. We don't even speak with him. Care to take a guess as to how many Crystal Horizon members know him on a personal basis? One. And he's pretty new. These rumors have been going around long before he ever joined us, so it begs the question why everyone seems to think we're all buddy-buddy with him. It's all rumors, nothing more.
Nos never talked to frosty after that restrain order. also seeing as you say its all rumors il post the screenshots and all that crap tomorrow when i have time. and sure maybe jake is in the wrong too but when crono was told of his actions he simply shoved them as impossible and ignored it. so crono is in the wrong by not taking action till its to late now. and by giving karma sutra a less bann time now from the original perma bann shows favortism towards CH in my eyes.
Quote from: gallion_percival on Jan 20, 2008, 06:12 PM
and sure maybe jake is in the wrong too but when crono was told of his actions he simply shoved them as impossible and ignored it. so crono is in the wrong by not taking action till its to late now. and by giving karma sutra a less bann time now from the original perma bann shows favortism towards CH in my eyes.
Clearly you aren't even intelligent enough to read everything people have been posting. Crono trusted Jake with the server and his trust was misplaced. His actions didn't appear in the logs. Karma Sutra's ban time was never even supposed to happen. The issue was already dealt with prior to the moron in Divine deciding to stir up the s*** by making it public, which is the cause of this entire ordeal.
Quote from: NMB on Jan 20, 2008, 05:03 PM
First off, Reincarnation was FAR from peaceful. Crono didn't steal the server from Nas. Jake didn't steal the server from Nas.
I never said they did, I meant that it was peaceful during the beginning I was playing. I did say Nasedo was a ..(insert random generic insult). I said it was pretty much a heaven's calling when Crono and Jake made Deliverance to escape the hell hole... Only problem, dramas followed. That was the only issues I had with the begging of dRO.
Quote from: NMB on Jan 20, 2008, 05:03 PMHowever... As it turns out, Nas wasn't as well mannered as some believe. He was harassing young girls for their pictures on the server. He said he would ban them if he didn't get them. Not a rumor, I was talking to two of the girls he did it to.
DUH! Most of us knew he was a freak, and I also became a fan of Genra for calling him a fished eye freak right at his face and getting banned for it. No body liked Nasado, out of the 4 GMs he was the most hated while I believe Akihito and Grimio was the most loved. XD
Quote from: NMB on Jan 20, 2008, 05:03 PMYes, a glitch was found of Reincarnation involving Alchemist Books. You claim a few people new about it... About 6? I'm sorry sweetheart, but you are terribly wrong. There were more than 6 people who knew about it. Back when that happened, they closed the server and deleted all the bank NPCs so all that zeny was gone. The zeny that was on a person's characters remained, unless of course it was obviously zeny gained from the glitch. People disliked Nas long before any of that happened. I joined the server and played for a year. I was there when the zeny was wiped and people hated him before then so yeah xD
Yes, I believed there was more.. If you haven't picked up my context clues I pretty much wasn't sure how many people knew. Why would I say "Namely 6" If I was totally sure that it was 6 people? Sure zenny wipe is horrible and all but out of the 2 people it was me and Sharu who was going to get hit the hardest. We both went over the limit of believable into the limit to insanely stupid, and yet... I get the item wiped for it.
Quote from: NMB on Jan 20, 2008, 05:03 PMCrono -did- get a bit more strict towards the end of Reincarnation but that's because everyone and their mom/brother/cousin/dad were abusing any and every bug possible. It ranged from duping items to soul stone bugs, to Ghostring bugs, to having access to a GMs account and making their own items. Obviously someone had to say enough was enough, and it just so happened that Crono seemed to be the only one to give a damn and do something about it.
Yes,yes he did. He was a heller good GM. A modeled GM. The best standards for a GM. But eventually as we keep playing and watching hes been bending corners for those in his little "friend" circle.
Quote from: NMB on Jan 20, 2008, 05:03 PMBlacklisting at that time was NOT 100 USDs. It was 100 CAD which was about 80ish USD at the time. The Mjolnir incident with Champs and Paladins was unfortunate. Yes the spam got out of control but he did do something about instead of ignoring it. I do not believe Crono EVER said they were going to disable Champs and Pallies from using it. It was all just a rumor. However, Crono did say that the problem would be dealt with, which it was. It sickens me that you even dared to say that Crono only cared about the money income for the Blacklists and that's why he didn't stop the use of it for those classes. Crono has always tried to do what's best for the players and still keep people satisfied. And for someone who played on Reincarnation, you should know that to be the truth.
Pardon me... 80ish USD... Which, I still say, EXPENSIVE! And Yes, I believed the GM team did say that. One of my friends heard it from Jake during that time.
Quote from: NMB on Jan 20, 2008, 05:03 PM"He said "Well Vote for more people to join so they can replace the people who left." Now I'm just thinking.. "I said my friends left and hes telling me to vote to replace them???"" -- Okay... Don't know how to say this without being rude but.. You really took offense to that? Him saying to replace those who left? I'm pretty damn sure he didn't mean it that way. He's old enough to know that it isn't easy to replace a good friend. I think he meant replace them as players, NOT replace a friend.
You bash me on that? Seriously... how would you feel if someone said to replace the people who left in reply to your post?
Quote from: NMB on Jan 20, 2008, 05:03 PMIt's nice that you all speak of Jake as a decent individual... How about mentioning the fact that Jake was giving his girlfriend items that weren't released to the public yet. Let's not mention that he unbanned her at least 3 times even though she's committed quite the number of offenses. How was the server "stolen" from Jake, when Jake didn't give half a s*** to be bothered to help the players with problems or issues they had? Jake would ONLY step in when his girlfriend was involved, or someone who was a good friend of his. Is that not favoritism? I recall Jake holding about 3 help desks in the entire history of Deliverance and none on Reincarnation. Crono was always the one holding the help desks. If Crono wasn't holding them, the subGMs sure as hell were.
But you see... his corruption doesn't effect the balance of the server itself. Now Crono has banned many people for the stupidest reasons sometimes. From insulting someone for insulting them. ect. ect.
Quote from: NMB on Jan 20, 2008, 05:03 PMEven right now, as half the server is acting like ungrateful, whining, internet junkies, Crono is working to get things done to keep you all happy. But him trying isn't enough for you all. It never has been, never will be. *^__^*
But you see.. if he has accually done that.. WHY would half of the server acting like "ungrateful, whining, internet junkies"? Answer me that?
Oh BTW, I'm loving this forum. If this was on the dRO forum this thread would be gone by now.
Quote from: MoonlightShadow on Jan 20, 2008, 06:26 PMYes,yes he did. He was a heller good GM. A modeled GM. The best standards for a GM. But eventually as we keep playing and watching hes been bending corners for those in his little "friend" circle.
As far as I've seen, Crono has never cut corners for anyone who was in his "friend" circle, nor did he cut corners for people who were popular. He's made respectful judgements on a case by case basis and has given the boot to people who deserved it, popularity or "friend" circle aside.
Quote from: MoonlightShadow on Jan 20, 2008, 06:26 PMBut you see... his corruption doesn't effect the balance of the server itself. Now Crono has banned many people for the stupidest reasons sometimes. From insulting someone for insulting them. ect. ect.
It doesn't matter if his corruption affected the balance of the server. Corruption is corruption and unbanning people who have been banned without a good reason is STILL corruption and wrong, despite what you may think.
And as for Crono banning people for dumb things, I can't deny that there have been some people that have gotten stronger flak than others for miniscule things, but those have been too far and few to make a huge impact.
Quote from: MoonlightShadow on Jan 20, 2008, 06:26 PMBut you see.. if he has accually done that.. WHY would half of the server acting like "ungrateful, whining, internet junkies"? Answer me that?
Because they're ungrateful, whining internet junkies, that's why.
Quote from: MoonlightShadow on Jan 20, 2008, 06:26 PM
Oh BTW, I'm loving this forum. If this was on the dRO forum this thread would be gone by now.
With good reason. Topics like this that bring s*** aren't good because all it does is create bigger and bigger piles of s*** that do nothing but split people even more than they might be.
Quote from: cupido on Jan 20, 2008, 06:21 PM
Quote from: gallion_percival on Jan 20, 2008, 06:12 PM
and sure maybe jake is in the wrong too but when crono was told of his actions he simply shoved them as impossible and ignored it. so crono is in the wrong by not taking action till its to late now. and by giving karma sutra a less bann time now from the original perma bann shows favortism towards CH in my eyes.
Clearly you aren't even intelligent enough to read everything people have been posting. Crono trusted Jake with the server and his trust was misplaced. His actions didn't appear in the logs. Karma Sutra's ban time was never even supposed to happen. The issue was already dealt with prior to the moron in Divine deciding to stir up the s*** by making it public, which is the cause of this entire ordeal.
no s*** i didnt read any of it. i couldnt be bothered to read all that useless crap before leaving for work
Quote from: KKL on Jan 20, 2008, 06:37 PM
As far as I've seen, Crono has never cut corners for anyone who was in his "friend" circle, nor did he cut corners for people who were popular. He's made respectful judgements on a case by case basis and has given the boot to people who deserved it, popularity or "friend" circle aside.
What about Pado's account? Alot of Pado's stuff isn't illegit and he knows that. Pado sold his account also. And guess what? The person who bought it is currently in CH.
Quote from: KKL on Jan 20, 2008, 06:37 PMIt doesn't matter if his corruption affected the balance of the server. Corruption is corruption and unbanning people who have been banned without a good reason is STILL corruption and wrong, despite what you may think.
And as for Crono banning people for dumb things, I can't deny that there have been some people that have gotten stronger flak than others for miniscule things, but those have been too far and few to make a huge impact.
Yes but I never said it was OK. I'm just saying that theres a differents between them. But saying that its a miniscule things? ITS PEOPLE HERE!! NO BODY IS MINISCULES! Everybody is important to run a server. If one person is gone that effects a group, with in that group theres someone whos part of another group and it wide spreads there.
Quote from: KKL on Jan 20, 2008, 06:37 PM
Because they're ungrateful, whining internet junkies, that's why.
WRONG! Its cause alot of things has been unfairly Judged! 3 of the Sub GMs were brought on by popular depends and not their ability to be a sub GM. Remember Clair? People say she was a non corrupted GM. Well after she became a GM she changed alot!
Quote from: KKL on Jan 20, 2008, 06:37 PMWith good reason. Topics like this that bring s*** aren't good because all it does is create bigger and bigger piles of s*** that do nothing but split people even more than they might be.
Why would you be afraid of something that isn't true? Wow man, thats a stupid reason. Sure it creates a pile of crap, but if he truely has notthing to hide why delete it once someone comes out like this? Why do you think you guys are here trying to defend Crono on a forum that isn't from the Deliverance forum. Why do you think people made a Thread here??? Because people don't wanna be banned or flamed at the Deli Forums. Its an opinion they don't want to get censored by the very people they believe is unfair.
Quote from: MoonlightShadow on Jan 20, 2008, 06:52 PM
What about Pado's account? Alot of Pado's stuff isn't illegit and he knows that. Pado sold his account also. And guess what? The person who bought it is currently in CH.
What does the buyer of Pado's account have to do with any of this?
Quote from: MoonlightShadow on Jan 20, 2008, 06:52 PM
Yes but I never said it was OK. I'm just saying that theres a differents between them. But saying that its a miniscule things? ITS PEOPLE HERE!! NO BODY IS MINISCULES! Everybody is important to run a server. If one person is gone that effects a group, with in that group theres someone whos part of another group and it wide spreads there.
Your statement implied it was okay when you said it didn't impact the balance of the server at all.
Quote from: MoonlightShadow on Jan 20, 2008, 06:52 PM
WRONG! Its cause alot of things has been unfairly Judged! 3 of the Sub GMs were brought on by popular depends and not their ability to be a sub GM. Remember Clair? People say she was a non corrupted GM. Well after she became a GM she changed alot!
Give proof that three of the SubGMs we have now were promoted based solely on the fact that it was popular demand and not based on ability. Also, Clair might have a ridiculously short temper, but I know for a fact that she isn't "corrupt" like you claim she is.
Quote from: MoonlightShadow on Jan 20, 2008, 06:52 PM
Why would you be afraid of something that isn't true? Wow man, thats a stupid reason. Sure it creates a pile of crap, but if he truely has notthing to hide why delete it once someone comes out like this? Why do you think you guys are here trying to defend Crono on a forum that isn't from the Deliverance forum. Why do you think people made a Thread here??? Because people don't wanna be banned or flamed at the Deli Forums. Its an opinion they don't want to get censored by the very people they believe is unfair.
People made a thread here becuase they just want a place to throw s*** on all of dRO and Crono without retaliation from any naysayers that might undermine their crapfest.
All of this just makes me laugh. Anyone who has been in CH knows theres absolutely no kruption in this guild. And I love how we are getting ALL the flak for this when one of our rival guilds had an ADMIN in there guild. Why doesnt everybody take a look at what a sub gm has the power to do. They can @jump, @warp, @jail, and @follow. Big freaking deal. They cant @item (Jake who was in paw can), they cant @ban (o wait Jake can) in fact, theres not much Jake CANT do. And yet we get the flak for being in CH? Ive faught with Jake on more then one occasional and let me tell you, he spammed 30-40 berries PER fight against me. Any one who has taken the time to hunt that many berries would never waste them on a trivial fight in izlude. Not to mention his thanny card, that was passed all around paw like a cheap hooker. Or the free hats he gave to mel that we all know about. Hell, he even reset his star glads hatreds when fighting against me once. And I can assure you, he didn't do it using /doridori. Or wait, theres the time where he CAMPED our Emp, for an entire woe. And when we asked if he planned on taking it he said "of course I do". And what did we do to deserve that? We killed his legit character in izlude of course.
Then we look at crono, he doesn't even play the damn game because he wants to remain impartial. He goes easy on ONE of our characters for the TINIEST infraction and everyone burns him at the stake. Crono has never ONCE given any one items, got on a character to kill some one, or done anything INGAME that could remotely been seen as corrupted, but yet, here are all the people who hate deli coming to spread slander and lies about him.
Crono owns the server. Crono decides on the punishments he deems are necessary. And none of us have a right to complain about that. If it was anyother guild none of this would have matter, but because we are arguably the strongest guild on the server, we must be cheaters.
I have news for you guys, if you don't like deli, you think its corrupted, leave us in peace. We don't need you, or your lies.
I wont even touch and what happened between me and nads, I took screen shots of what I felt was harrasment, I presented the screen shots to the only person besides me and nads that mattered in the situation, Crono. And he dealt with it.
Well I have no real hatred for Crono, I've never seen him do anything that was corrupt nor did I suspect him of it. I suspected Jake and most of the staff. Perhaps Cronos lack of interaction with the community in-game impaired his judgment slightly.
However, I do believe it would of been good to do a complete and full investigation on Jake after many people began reporting his conduct. Especially when his group of regulars were being reported for carts on non merchant characters... and Falcons that no one else could have... and unheard of events.
Either way Crono, I still think it was a good idea to fire your staff. But what will you do to prevent a repeat? Will you limit access? Have all events tracked VIA forums? I too have GMed many of servers and I can say truthfully that I found trusting anyone that takes part in the game, is a mistake. I found that questioning everything is the best means to a well GMed server.
Also I'd like to say that popularity contests should not ever be a part of the hiring of a staff. ( example: having a thread with a vote choice ) I know it works for government. But I believe staff should be selected carefully by the administrator. I have found that in many cases that the community votes for people based on their popularity rather than their ability they can give as a GM. They should be reviewed over time and slowly given more access if needed.
In ending, any staff members that do not accomplish their tasks effectively should be removed from power due to that one fact alone. Suspected corruption should lead to a temporary suspension of account(s) pending investigation. Edit: and making rules against sub-GM's participating in WoE would probably help lower the chances of abuse and suspected abuse.
Now we have many people's sides, now lets see those pictures.
As for my opinion as of this moment.
My only concern is that if he can access your server or whatever it was,. why not IP ban him.
If he is a threat to you, take security measures and if he ends up harassing you, trace him and contact his ISP and have them revoke all services to him.
Quote from: StayFrosty on Jan 20, 2008, 07:09 PM
Crono owns the server. Crono decides on the punishments he deems are necessary. And none of us have a right to complain about that. If it was anyother guild none of this would have matter, but because we are arguably the strongest guild on the server, we must be cheaters.
I have news for you guys, if you don't like deli, you think its corrupted, leave us in peace. We don't need you, or your lies.
Hey Frosty, heres the problem. Crono never owned the server! Jake had the server, Box and all!
They shared the serve!
Oh? You want us to leave you guys in peace? See heres the problem, if we do accually leave the server the its mostly just you CH that would stay. Things will get boring for you guys. Most of the general public of dRO finds the GM corrupted. You know why? At sometime of their dRO life they can relate to the things being said. Things that were handled unfairly or their best friend being banned for the most bogus reasons.
Everybody that believes this choosed to believed it. Its only natural that the people it is directed against would refuse it and counter it by calling it lies.
Quote from: KKL on Jan 20, 2008, 07:02 PM
What does the buyer of Pado's account have to do with any of this?
Illegit items were bought along with it. You Sub GMs in CH knows this and yet do notthing about it. Same with Crono. Crono stated selling account for real life cash is bannable.
Pado sold his account for real life cash. Both buyer and seller being sub gm should have been banned.
CH knew about this whole thing! Some in Izlude too but they couldn't prove it.
Quote from: KKL on Jan 20, 2008, 07:02 PM
Your statement implied it was okay when you said it didn't impact the balance of the server at all.
My statement implied that what Jake did wasn't as bad as what Crono does! Crono knew about Jakes corruption since the begginning yet chooses to do notthing till now!
Quote from: KKL on Jan 20, 2008, 07:02 PM
Give proof that three of the SubGMs we have now were promoted based solely on the fact that it was popular demand and not based on ability. Also, Clair might have a ridiculously short temper, but I know for a fact that she isn't "corrupt" like you claim she is.
I can, clair admited to raiding Uzuki's account,and brag about it. When Uzuki asked his stuff back
she denied and when confronted she said she didn't do anything. I can ask Chair herself for this proof or Uzuki.. Choose your proof.
Quote from: KKL on Jan 20, 2008, 07:02 PM
People made a thread here becuase they just want a place to throw s*** on all of dRO and Crono without retaliation from any naysayers that might undermine their crapfest.
Sir! People made a thread here BECAUSE they want YOU guys to retaliate! Do you think Crono would give any thought to NOT delete this tread if it were in the dRO Forum? We wouldn't be here if this was in the dRO Forum. You wouldn't be responding to us trying to prove us wrong if it was in the dRO forum. This is the perfect and fair judgment room for this discussion.
Quote from: MoonlightShadow on Jan 20, 2008, 08:07 PM
Quote from: StayFrosty on Jan 20, 2008, 07:09 PM
Crono owns the server. Crono decides on the punishments he deems are necessary. And none of us have a right to complain about that. If it was anyother guild none of this would have matter, but because we are arguably the strongest guild on the server, we must be cheaters.
I have news for you guys, if you don't like deli, you think its corrupted, leave us in peace. We don't need you, or your lies.
Hey Frosty, heres the problem. Crono never owned the server! Jake had the server, Box and all!
They shared the serve!
Oh? You want us to leave you guys in peace? See heres the problem, if we do accually leave the server the its mostly just you CH that would stay. Things will get boring for you guys. Most of the general public of dRO finds the GM corrupted. You know why? At sometime of their dRO life they can relate to the things being said. Things that were handled unfairly or their best friend being banned for the most bogus reasons.
Everybody that believes this choosed to believed it. Its only natural that the people it is directed against would refuse it and counter it by calling it lies.
Quote from: KKL on Jan 20, 2008, 07:02 PM
What does the buyer of Pado's account have to do with any of this?
Illegit items were bought along with it. It still has it's sub GM powers on it. You Sub GMs in CH knows this and yet do notthing about it. Same with Crono. Crono stated selling account for real life cash is bannable.
Pado sold his account for real life cash. Both buyer and seller being sub gm should have been banned.
CH knew about this whole thing! Some in Izlude too but they couldn't prove it.
Quote from: KKL on Jan 20, 2008, 07:02 PM
Your statement implied it was okay when you said it didn't impact the balance of the server at all.
My statement implied that what Jake did wasn't as bad as what Crono does! Crono knew about Jakes corruption since the begginning yet chooses to do notthing till now!
Quote from: KKL on Jan 20, 2008, 07:02 PM
Give proof that three of the SubGMs we have now were promoted based solely on the fact that it was popular demand and not based on ability. Also, Clair might have a ridiculously short temper, but I know for a fact that she isn't "corrupt" like you claim she is.
Give proof they aren't? Your basicially in the same boat as us in trying to counter this matter. Neither of us has proof.
Quote from: KKL on Jan 20, 2008, 07:02 PM
People made a thread here becuase they just want a place to throw s*** on all of dRO and Crono without retaliation from any naysayers that might undermine their crapfest.
Sir! People made a thread here BECAUSE they want YOU guys to retaliate! Do you think Crono would give any thought to NOT delete this tread if it were in the dRO Forum? We wouldn't be here if this was in the dRO Forum. You wouldn't be responding to us trying to prove us wrong if it was in the dRO forum. This is the perfect and fair judgment room for this discussion.
I can no longer take anything you say seriously for two reasons. 1) as soon as pados account was transfered, the sub gm status of it was instantly canceled. And it was brought back to just a premium member aka GM level 1. You can check this easily by @who Pado. Which I just did in game. Second of all, I know both pado and the person who bought his account personally, and his account was given not sold. And third, there was no illegitimate items on pados account, just things that he worked very hard for.
The above is not an opinion, but rather fact, that I can support with evidence if it is requested. Logs and all, being so mistaken as you are, I will not, and no one else, should take anything you say seriously. Because obviously you have no idea what your talking about.
QuoteEDIT: One final thing your statement here.
Quote from: KKL on Today at 11:02 am
Give proof that three of the SubGMs we have now were promoted based solely on the fact that it was popular demand and not based on ability. Also, Clair might have a ridiculously short temper, but I know for a fact that she isn't "corrupt" like you claim she is.
Give proof they aren't? Your basicially in the same boat as us in trying to counter this matter. Neither of us has proof.
People are innocent untill proven guilty. If you would like to change things to go the other way, im about to charge you with murdering 50 innocent school children. I hope you have an allibi cause if not even though I have no evidence, your going to jail for a long time.
Quote from: StayFrosty on Jan 20, 2008, 08:18 PM
I can no longer take anything you say seriouslly for two reasons. 1) as soon as pados account was transfered, the sub gm status of it was instantly cancelled. And it was braught back to just a premium member aka GM level 1. You can check this easily by @who Pado. Wich I just did in game. Second of all, I know both pado and the person who bought his account personally, and his account was given not sold. And third, there was no illegitimate items on pados account, just things that he worked very hard for.
The above is not an opinion, but rather fact, that I can support with evidence if it is requested. Logs and all, being so mistaken as you are, I will not, and no one else, should take anything you say seriously. Because obviously you have no idea what your talking about.
Ahuh... Which is why I edited my post cause that was miss information on my part. But Pado did have illegit items. Present your proof if you like. I have the proof I need. Its of the person who bought PaDo's account talking about buying a account for 200$. But I know that doesn't prove PaDo's account being bought but still. It makes me doubt that PaDo just gave it to him.
PS. Heres the problem with typing long post. We miss each other's new post.
Quote from: MoonlightShadow on Jan 20, 2008, 08:26 PM
Quote from: StayFrosty on Jan 20, 2008, 08:18 PM
I can no longer take anything you say seriouslly for two reasons. 1) as soon as pados account was transfered, the sub gm status of it was instantly cancelled. And it was braught back to just a premium member aka GM level 1. You can check this easily by @who Pado. Wich I just did in game. Second of all, I know both pado and the person who bought his account personally, and his account was given not sold. And third, there was no illegitimate items on pados account, just things that he worked very hard for.
The above is not an opinion, but rather fact, that I can support with evidence if it is requested. Logs and all, being so mistaken as you are, I will not, and no one else, should take anything you say seriously. Because obviously you have no idea what your talking about.
Ahuh... Which is why I edited my post cause that was miss information on my part. But Pado did have illegit items. Present your proof if you like. I have someone who can supply me the proof I need. Its of the person who bought PaDo's account talking about buying Hyper's account for 200$. But I know that doesn't prove PaDo's account being bought but still. It makes me doubt that PaDo just gave it to him.
PS. Heres the problem with typing long post. We miss each other's new post.
Like I said, innocent untill proven guilty, you can shout to the high heavens all you want about how this account was bought for this much and pado had illegal items and blah blah blah. But nothing matters unless you have proof. I can just as easily say that you bought the account that you play on right now for real money. But no one is going to take it seiously unless I have some kind of proof. Your accusations do nothing but make you look more foolish unless you can back them up.
Posted on: Jan 20, 2008, 12:30 pm
Sorry for double post, but if I edit he might not see it again.
QuoteWhat does the buyer of Pado's account have to do with any of this?
Illegit items were bought along with it. You Sub GMs in CH knows this and yet do notthing about it. Same with Crono. Crono stated selling account for real life cash is bannable.
Pado sold his account for real life cash. Both buyer and seller being sub gm should have been banned.
CH knew about this whole thing! Some in Izlude too but they couldn't prove it.
The owner of pados account, is not, and never has been a sub gm, another reason why all of this so called information your getting makes me seriously question your credibility
Quote from: StayFrosty on Jan 20, 2008, 08:30 PM
Like I said, innocent untill proven guilty, you can shout to the high heavens all you want about how this account was bought for this much and pado had illegal items and blah blah blah. But nothing matters unless you have proof. I can just as easily say that you bought the account that you play on right now for real money. But no one is going to take it seiously unless I have some kind of proof. Your accusations do nothing but make you look more foolish unless you can back them up.
Yes, my accusations make me look foolish. But once I do get my proof be prepare to eat your words. And I DOO mean eat it up... every single word. Oh, and if you wanna see a receipt of me buying my own prem and or starting up since the begginning you can ask for them :P My account is from my own effort.
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAAH.
Oh man. I can't stop laughing after having been directed to this thread by a couple of my friends and acquaintances.
Look at all this bullcrap you guys are all angrily pouring out into an INTERNET FORUM.
It's amazing and pathetic all at the same time.
If it does not reflect on the quality of your lives, I wouldn't know what to make of it.
No matter how much you guys "fight", "bicker" or whatever you guys are doing right here to show the superiority in your biased judgments, there's always going to be two sides to an argument.
You guys all remembered that there is a life outside of this internet, right? No matter how miserable that life might be for you, sometimes you need to step back and re-evaluate where your "internet life" is heading.
I've played Reincarnation RO, Redemption RO, even Retribution RO. I've played Deliverance-Online RO. I've been in Crystal-Horizon, EXE, Divine and Paw-Alliance. I liked them all. I wanted to find the one that was best for my RO experience. They all had their pros and cons.
Every single one of your posts on both sides are so biased and blown out of proportion, I can't help but laugh.
CH: Excellent players, devoted to leveling, focused on the task at hand yet very goofy when dealing with each other. Skilled in PvP. Loves competition. Unlimited humor. Serious when needs to be. Very close to each other and supportive. Though a couple of players can be very demeaning and rude, this attitude only shows up when provoked continuously by outside forces. There are some members who are just outwardly rude, I can not speak for them. There are always some rotten fruits in the basket.
EXE: Again, funny funny players. Great attitudes, supportive of each other. Not so driven into PvP aspect of the game except for WoE, unlike CH. I haven't had a problem with any of them. Some of them liked to cling to drama, but again there are always some rotten fruits in the basket.
Divine: Interesting players. Good amount of humor. Very supportive of each other. Most members aren't so PvP driven, but almost all the members are enthusiastic about WoE. Some of them are misinformed about many different aspects of running a private server, but hey. Rotten fruits in the basket all over again.
Paw-Alliance: As this guild accepts all players without question, this has been the most interesting so far. Because this guild does not require levels or previous knowledge/experience in RO, many players are inexperienced in the PvP/WoE aspect. However, they are helped along by the leaders of the guild who try to be friendly and helpful. However, they carry some bad fruits, just like the other guilds.
That's the most balanced view I can offer to any players interested in what the hell these guilds are really like.
As for the individual aspects of this server:
-Henhouse using @jumpto to normal players mobbing for him in Ice Dungeon for quicker leveling:
Henhouse would've gotten 140 anyway, sooner or later. He was warned harshly by Crono and given a week-long ban. I was in Paw-Alliance and I was satisfied with this. Henhouse was so close to getting 140 at that time anyway, that it would've taken him less than a week to achieve it anyway. And taking into account the many sprites/codings/mvp quests he had contributed, a week's ban was pretty fair. Are we all forgetting that Henhouse is a human being too? All humans are drawn to temptation. It's not like he started jailing all the players in Ice except for his mobbers so that his leveling could be EVEN faster.
-Sharu's events:
This is one of the most retarded accusations I can find. She's been an eventer for as long as I can remember. No matter what she did in Rein (remember, we're talking about dRO. Not rRO.), she always hosted events whenever she could. Are we all forgetting that she is a human being also? This is one human being trying to control 60, 70 (even more in a lot of the occasions) to run an event as smoothly as humanely possible. Do you know how difficult that is? Imagine trying to control 60 wild, pre-school children as one teacher
or 60 teenagers in high school as one teacher. Oh yes, not to mention the quiz events she did. Usually, to win a quiz, one had to PM her the correct answer FIRST. Yes, I've tried. Yes, I've lost many times. Yes, it was frustrating. Yes, I've let a thought enter that she was "rigging" the events. But then I snapped out of it. She's not stupid. In some quiz events, Tomf (leader of CH) won a lot. I've been in CH. I've seen Tomf's ridiculous typing speed. His fingers are literally on crack. When I took that into consideration, I understood why Tomf won a lot of the quizzes. On top of this she completed many duties that Jake, an admin, failed to complete. Jake did his part, of course. There's no question to that. He worked hard to update the server, coded many things (I.E. modify the @request command so that it also reached SubGM's instead of just GM's, allowing players to reach a wider net of help in-game). But many of the times, Jake was not online, or on his "legit, normal player" account. I saw Sharu helping players with egg-exchanges, in-game problems, etc. etc. And with all that, she still managed to have fun. She entertained many players randomly, even if she didn't know them. It's how I got to know her a little better, despite the fact that she and I had been playing the same RO servers for quite some time (I had only seen her from the distance until she decided to make me laugh that one time in-game). I don't know her as a buddy-buddy, but as an acquaintance, she is a decent girl and deserves her happiness.
-Sharu, Jake, and Melody's tangled relationship:
Is this any of our business? Let us stay out of this sad story. After all, things like this happen on a daily basis in real life anyway.
-Jake:
Like Sharu, Jake is an acquaintance. I've spoken to him only a few times and that was when I desperately needed technical help. To be frank, he is an a****** when it comes to player-relations. He is tech-smart, however, and despite him ignoring my desperate cries for help a couple times, I finally got through to him and got the help that I had been needing. He's a good guy who has strayed to the wrong path a couple times, I know his life is not exactly picture-perfect at the moment. But then again, not a lot of us have the "dream life" either. He is just another human like us. Humans with temptations.
The only thing I hold against him? His thanatos card whom his current girlfriend Melody claimed that he had "earned". He has never gone to hunt a Thanatos card. In my time I have seen CH go up the Thanatos tower many many times while I was in Divine. I even helped them out in a couple runs. Noone from CH has ever gotten a Thanatos card. How can Jake, who has never gone to hunt Thanatos himself, get one?
Okay. I can deal with him HAVING it, it's just one person. However, he let Melody use it to level her creator in ice dungeon (She was part of Paw-Alliance). I remember passing by her and wondering how a creator could do so much damage without a support priest. Let's not even get to the fact that she was supposed to be banned in the first place by Crono. Even some of the Paw-Alliance guildmates used this card to achieve 140. I hoped that that would be all for Jake, but he has done a lot of other things that only recently came into light.
-Crono:
Unlike Sharu and Jake, I've only seen this guy do this job in the distance. His judgments are, if anything, very thought-over. The banned players might not agree with his judgments, but hey. Their actions could have crippled the server or individual players' game play. If the actions were not too damaging, I've seen Crono graciously FORGIVE the people and let them get off with a warn because he understands that people make mistakes. I admire this guy for his perserverance, strength, and the collectiveness of his mind.
-Karma~Sutra's dual clienting during WoE:
I was in Divine for this and I remember just how much it angered people. Step back with me, though. This person saved 15 seconds of logging in and out to give one person a buff that would've disappeared anyway the next time he died (which would've been pretty soon because that's what WoE's are like, everyone dies and comes back pretty quick). Crono asked her to explain herself, she told the truth, and he FORGAVE her. Her dual clienting did not disrupt anyone's game play. She didn't dupe black list items like the Maelstrom guild did. I think that Paw-Alliance members leveling to 140 with Jake's Than card is a heavier infraction of the rules than her 15 second dual clienting. And yet, you hear more people crying about the dual clienting. I hardly heard a peep from anyone about PA's use of the Than card. Is this not backward, in any sense? If you think otherwise, man. I don't know what to tell you.
You want to know what Deliverance-Online is really like? Go find out for yourselves. Don't take to heart what anybody else has said in this topic.
I've learned that "truth" is a relative term.
Well then why dont you stop spouting all this nonsense untill you ACTUALLY get proof. In the real world we dont arrest people because we think they might have done something wrong. We wait untill we can prove it, maybe you should follow suit.
Edit: Meant for moonlight, no the above post.
Proof number 1!
Bunneh was banned for duel-clienting! Yes, enough people complained about it after Crono forgave her that Crono decides to ban her!
But was Sharu?
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Quote from: MoonlightShadow on Jan 20, 2008, 08:53 PM
Proof number 1!
Bunneh was banned for duel-clienting!
But was Sharu?
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Wow, you managed to prove that Sharu dualcliented to read guildchat. That's a pretty horrible infraction there. Good thing there's people like you who can spy on other peoples' private forums to keep this stuff in check. Or else Crono would have to waste his time on things like updating the server and banning people who actually hurt people when they break the rules.
Quote from: Thomeyis on Jan 20, 2008, 08:58 PM
Wow, you managed to prove that Sharu dualcliented to read guildchat. That's a pretty horrible infraction there. Good thing there's people like you who can spy on other peoples' private forums to keep this stuff in check. Or else Crono would have to waste his time on things like updating the server and banning people who actually hurt people when they break the rules.
Justice my friend. Bunneh was later banned due to people accually caring about her Duel Clienting later on.
I'll tell you what.. a Perma ban for duel clienting doesn't seem fit.
Quote from: MoonlightShadow on Jan 20, 2008, 09:01 PM
Justice my friend. Bunneh was later banned due to people accually caring about her Duel Clienting later on.
Justice? Where's the justice in someone harmlessly breaking the rules and getting banned for it? Are people all of a sudden getting jail time for jaywalking? Terri was banned to appease the big flaming angry mob, and even then they try to cut Crono's reputation down. Justice indeed.
EDIT: Terri also wasn't permbanned. Crono reduced her sentence.
@Moon:
Ok, wasn't gonna reply again, but that's among the most nonsensical points anyone has ever made about anything in the history of mankind. Are you SERIOUSLY complaining about someone on the team dual clienting to bring your undeserving buttocks an event? Wow, hahaha. Guess what, we also did it to station characters around the world for a riddle event. Surely we are all in dire need of permanent bans.
Thanks for severely lowering any credence in your side of the story's arguments.
YourLover hit the nail on the head, the only valid issue was that of Jake, which has been fixed (which you guys claim MUTINY about instead - the very irony of this is sheer comedy if nothing else!!!). We discussed it and while it does suck bigtime, he understands.
PS@recent posts - Terri's ban was reduced seeing as how this lynch mob doesn't really care. They seek only to stir up drama and no corrective measures can ever appease them. The only true and valid corrective measure (Jake thing) has been, if anything, viewed by them as some evil attempt to gain server domination. Laughable.
Oh thanks for breaking the glass of errorisum. See, from what I believed was that she was Perma banned for duel clienting while a Sub Gm been duel clienting. What made me freak out about it was that Bunneh told me she was perma banned for a retarded reason.
Reading this has been quite fun, but honestly - people who are complaining about a game they think is silly, should just slit their wrists for fun instead. I've always referred to dRO as Drama RO. People put too much IRL emotion into game, and that sometimes isn't the point of playing Ragnarok.
First rule is to not always trust people on the internet. Second is to not take things on the internet to heart.
It's for leisure, not stress.
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".
-Lord Acton
Although I have no proof, and I should not judge - once great power has sunk into your head, you act differently.
s*** happens on this server, that is all really non-sense. If you think a guild that pwns your donkey in WoE is "corrupt" because of:
-The people who chose to level in their time online, rather than sitting around talking in-game all day
-The people who earn their blacklists rather than rant about not having them all day
or
-The people who have been chosen to be Sub-GMs, for whatever reason - OVER YOUR SORRY ANUS~
Then you're one f**ked up kid.
Tell people you meet on Deli to not break rules, then they won't be perma-banned. If you have been wrongly accused, Crono will probably love to hear your say. Who cares if Sub-GMs, or GMs are breaking rules, long as you aren't getting banned, why complain? If you have solid proof, report 'em. Don't whine and piss your pants all day. This thread is full of endless ranting crap and shouldn't even be called a discussion thread.
If you think CH, Crono, Sting, or other people you kids are complaining about are going down - you are in the wrong. It ain't gonna happen on your will, only on their own. If you don't like the server, leave; one less, who cares?
Go complain to your mom, because if she raised you any better you wouldn't be so pissed about little things like these.
o.o Holy jelly-donut of anti-sex. This e-drama actually has people trying to use REASON!? Holy flying monkey crap, batman! END OF THE WORLD.
It's been a while since everyone seems to at least try and present their sides with their side of the stories, and some form of facts. o.o
My personal feeling on the matter is this. xD Crono = really worn out, semi-strict, and really not sure where the server is heading. He seemed to be hesitant in what was going to happen with the server. Jake = ... Whatever's being said. xD Honestly, I never met him on the game, and I don't really know too much about the mate.
I honestly never had a problem with Crono. I dunno, he always seemed to be a fairly decent individual. He had a sense of humor, he didn't have issues with throwing jokes around, and generally even let people argue in peace as long as everyone was presenting facts and not insults. Personally, I'm quitting due to my lack of interest in the server itself. It's... half assed. Too many things to clear. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, he's only recently near the completion of taking care of all the mess from our last drama, with the guild who had duped endless supplies of items. I'm not saying this is bad for him - hell, he's only a man - but he's been too swarmed to do anything to help make the server interesting, and stand out a little more.
Thus, because of this, a lot of things that would make the server interesting just aren't done. The Good - Evil system that has been collecting dust for nearly a year. The explorer's treasure system, and the large SVN update. The place is out dated, tiring, and there truly isn't a large abundance of things to do. xD I'm leaving out of boredom with the server and RO in general, not so much this drama. Though, I like being able to watch the drama, not be in the ring with it, so that certainly is a part of it.
Quote from: Veirt on Jan 20, 2008, 11:01 PM
Hell, if I'm not mistaken, he's only recently near the completion of taking care of all the mess from our last drama, with the guild who had duped endless supplies of items. I'm not saying this is bad for him - hell, he's only a man - but he's been too swarmed to do anything to help make the server interesting, and stand out a little more.
This, I think a lot of people have forgotten what Crono has done for the server in order to recover from this incident, all on his own. For months he went through logs and recovered items to people who had fair enough reasons - which were a lot. I can't imagine the kind of the stress that put on the man, but it shows that he cares absolutely about this server. If Crono had the power to stay up to date constantly without problems of bugs and what not, I'm sure he would. In reality, things just take time, but even with an out-dated SVN Deli still manages to be a friendly, fun, amazing server to play on. The SVN WILL be updated, maybe just in time when you realize you want to play again. /ok
I read somewhere in this thread that a couple people were saying that Sharu was innocent... She definitely was not, I even caught her in the act of abusing her powers. Heck I even have a screenshot of it somewhere ;3 So don't say she is a legitimate player. I'm not here to flame Deli, I'm more reminiscing on my past experiences with it ;p
For all of you saying that this thread is filled with complaints and then you go flaming other's for giving their experiences with the server. I honestly suggest you try to understand that some people do like a fair game, and what Jake and a few other sGMs did with Deli was wrong, and as such most of Deli's community were victims of the abuse. Yes, it is 'just a game' but does that mean you can't be treated fairly? Does that mean GMs and Admins can run rampant causing havok on the server while completely ignoring their duties they accepted too before becoming an sGM?
Most of what is written here appears to be past experiences with the server, and since this is a discussion, everyone is entitled to write them. Insulting people for doing so, is wrong, and injust and I can say the same if they were to do just that to anyone. Sure I don't know anything about this Crono + CH business, nor would I claim too. It does sound a bit dodgey ( not true ) but perhaps after Jake's dismissal people opened their eyes and decided to trust nothing and no one, only the claims of corruption.
But just keep in mind claims of corruption are usually a 50/50 thing when it comes to GMing servers unless its like half of the community... then I say chances of corruption are much much higher.
Forgot the password to my other account 'YourLover' so I'm posting on this one.
lol@me.
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Say what now? Chances of corrupt and percentages and all?
Last time my friends and I saw you GM, you were pretty corrupt yourself, Mewi.
Nice try.
Do the internet rules screen shots or it didn't happen apply to this forum? I'm still new.
Really though, screen shots please or it didn't happen IMO.
Quote from: OurLover on Jan 21, 2008, 12:25 PM
Say what now? Chances of corrupt and percentages and all?
Last time my friends and I saw you GM, you were pretty corrupt yourself, Mewi.
Nice try.
Nice pathetic attempt at slandering someone, to bad your lie can not bear fruit because I have never been corrupt. I never allowed players to cheat, I never cheated, I never abused my commands, I never used my GM power to benefit my legit characters, I follow GM rules to the dot, as well as advocate server rules to the dot, I myself am a very strict GM. Find an instance where I did opposite of above, please do. I'll await more lies here.
Edit: Actually I want to challenge this further, please insert server name, in your next post and I'll be sure to enlighten your already incorrect view of me.
Less on how ignorant Mewi is to Deliverance and creating assumptions of corruption based on "statistics" and more of how much Deliverance rocks pls.
I can't believe I've read everything so far... and I can't believe that there's actually been intelligent, well thought-out contents as well.
Hmm, as an outsider I really don't have any material to get involved with, so I guess I'll just state two things:
- As YourLover said before, we are all humans and we make mistakes, even when we try our best at doing what is right.
- No matter what you do, at least 50% of the world will disagree with it.
And this is why RO causes so much delicious e-drama, uninformed people blowing things out of proportion thinking that they are on their own holy crusader to save mankind from that evil who must not be named. And of course, everyone is the hero from their own personal point of view :B
Props to the people who gave in well, thought-out comments in proper English and good arguments, you don't see that much around the internet nowadays.
Quote from: antisuperheroguy on Jan 21, 2008, 02:14 PM
Less on how ignorant Mewi is to Deliverance and creating assumptions of corruption based on "statistics" and more of how much Deliverance rocks pls.
More lies, my suspicion of Jake being corrupt started when I found out that he was the one killing me and others he did not like in PvP with his "Legit". The very person who said this about him was infact Sharu in which I believe she did not know she was suppose to reveal such information. Because Jake was denying it completely... ( I wish I could remember that char name of his, some sin... started with a K? I'll have to read my deliverance logs )
And if my statistics were SOOO wrong, why is the very person that I suspected being the source of corruption, the person that is banned today? I suspected because there were to many coincidences, to many things left unexplained. The very fact that Jake @kicks people he did not like for his 'amusement' was another factor. How about when he revives players in Izlude with GM commands only to watch them get slaughtered by his circle of friends? To much abuse coming from one single point. The very fact that I caught his own GF cheating states that he allows her to do whatever she pleased.
and the whole Melody drama, I'm not going to get in it. Either way I have screenshots somewhere.
The last thing I want to deal with right now, is Jake worshipers.
Thanks for trying to deny it, Mewi. You really amuse me.
However, I don't hold it against you, including what you did during your GM time.
Like I wrote in my previous post back in page 4, we're all humans and we make mistakes.
Quotehow much Deliverance rocks pls.
I don't know about that. After all, Deli is severly behind on the SVN. But then, the reason why Deli is behind is because some people thought it would be fun to f*** with Deli for fun, and Crono felt kind enough to devote countless hours on his own to help people transition back into a normal game play.
But looking at the big picture, I am satisfied with my experience dRO has provided, despite its set backs.
>:(
So where are the screenshots or proof that Mewi was a corrupt GM on whichever server?
I don't wish to post it, this is no place to bring up drama. Especially when this topic is about dRO.
And like I said, I've already let go of this.
I'm merely mentioning it to remind Mewi he/she/it needs to remember mistakes can be made by humans and need to be forgiven with the big picture in mind.
I'm quite done here though, seems like something called the real life and my girlfriend are calling me.
Feel free to bash on me as much as you desire. It will all mean nothing in the end.
Quote from: Mewi on Jan 21, 2008, 02:43 PM
Quote from: antisuperheroguy on Jan 21, 2008, 02:14 PM
Less on how ignorant Mewi is to Deliverance and creating assumptions of corruption based on "statistics" and more of how much Deliverance rocks pls.
More lies, my suspicion of Jake being corrupt started when I found out that he was the one killing me and others he did not like in PvP with his "Legit". The very person who said this about him was infact Sharu in which I believe she did not know she was suppose to reveal such information. Because Jake was denying it completely... ( I wish I could remember that char name of his, some sin... started with a K? I'll have to read my deliverance logs )
And if my statistics were SOOO wrong, why is the very person that I suspected being the source of corruption, the person that is banned today? I suspected because there were to many coincidences, to many things left unexplained. The very fact that Jake @kicks people he did not like for his 'amusement' was another factor. How about when he revives players in Izlude with GM commands only to watch them get slaughtered by his circle of friends? To much abuse coming from one single point. The very fact that I caught his own GF cheating states that he allows her to do whatever she pleased.
and the whole Melody drama, I'm not going to get in it. Either way I have screenshots somewhere.
The last thing I want to deal with right now, is Jake worshipers.
Discussed through PM and resolved matters as to what the subject was pertaining on my part - Crono and the Sub-GMs, not Jake.
We're also baf-friends now 8D
Of course, nothing matters in the end, it's called death.
If you are going to incriminate someone, like you have, show evidence.
Corruption is a big deal when it is on the scale used in this topic.
maybe if you are not involved, you shouldnt f***ing post
my 2 cents, of course. im sure half of you guys dont even play deli, so if so, stop giving us your opinions on the matter and dont get involved
Quote from: OurLover on Jan 21, 2008, 03:02 PM
Thanks for trying to deny it, Mewi. You really amuse me.
However, I don't hold it against you, including what you did during your GM time.
Like I wrote in my previous post back in page 4, we're all humans and we make mistakes.
Quotehow much Deliverance rocks pls.
I don't know about that. After all, Deli is severly behind on the SVN. But then, the reason why Deli is behind is because some people thought it would be fun to f*** with Deli for fun, and Crono felt kind enough to devote countless hours on his own to help people transition back into a normal game play.
But looking at the big picture, I am satisfied with my experience dRO has provided, despite its set backs.
There is nothing to deny. I await the server name in which you "saw" me doing bad things, so I can enlighten you to the point. So please post the server name, else you forfeit your previous statements. Just for record, who are you on this so called server?
@antisuperherogu: Sorry for calling you a jake worshipper, glad we got that misunderstanding out of the way x3.
Quote from: DeathKnight on Jan 21, 2008, 03:42 PM
maybe if you are not involved, you shouldnt f***ing post
my 2 cents, of course. im sure half of you guys dont even play deli, so if so, stop giving us your opinions on the matter and dont get involved
Everyone has a right to post their opinions, this is not a dictatorship >.> I however played Deliverance quite awhile so I can say my experiences with it.
Quote from: DeathKnight on Jan 21, 2008, 03:42 PM
maybe if you are not involved, you shouldnt f***ing post
my 2 cents, of course. im sure half of you guys dont even play deli, so if so, stop giving us your opinions on the matter and dont get involved
Maybe you shouldn't post, I have been in this topic since it started.
Read before you post.
Damn, DK. =/ If you're the same DK from Deli, you seriously have a worse side than I thought you did. You were normally a good, mannered, cool headed mate in my eyes. Ah well. xD I see new sides of people! I love this. Though, it seems the intelligence is starting to fade. D= Now the events are becoming more insult-inclined.
I'm an anti-drama machine, so I never actually see the event happen when it actually happens. xD I just see the side effects. Thus, I have never personally seen any corruption or what not, but it's probably there. xD
Honestly, lets get back to more serious proof. xD Logs, screenshots, or other such hard evidence now needs to be said. We pretty much beat everything that can be merely discussed with a dead horse by now. I don't really care if you're too lazy. xD If you're too lazy, you wouldn't be putting effort to have a nice, reasonable argument, and thus don't deserve to destroy this "conversation." Thus, laziness as an excuse is void. Evidence! =D I want sum edible-weddible evidence! Naoz. D= Please?
I agree, logs, screenshots, real proof. Not hearsay.
Well, everything that i have read here gave me a good laugh. My reason is simple: everything is stemming from one small incident then blown out of view.
I am a fairly new player in Deliverance-Online, starting around late September of last year. With that said, I don't know much about the history of Deliverance-Online other (or anything that would remotely suggest wrong doing) than the fact that the server has been fairly good to its players. The reason being is that the general player base and GMs, from what i have seen, are on fairly good grounds. When i was reading this post, it got me upset especially for the fact that the GM do a really good job of doing what they do best for the server. Every night, i would check on the "rule breaking and cheating" section of the forums and every night. Crono would have each and every topic close and have either done what had to be done OR listen to what each party have to say for themselves. He is human of course and IS willing to listen to both parties. Of course that is personal opinion however, the fact about him checking the "rule breaking and cheating" section of the forums IS absolute truth.
In my opinion, every server that is setup tries to appeal to a certain type/group of player(s) that are interested in that KIND of server. Server are different for a reason: appealing to that kind of player(s). Think of it like shopping per say. You like apples however, you see red and green apples. All in all, its a matter of personal choice.
Seriously, it really sadden me of how people would take one small thing and then blow it sky high to the stars. We seriously need to forgive and forget not blow hot mad over the most smallest of things. If that happen on a real life perspective, the world as we know it would be at a radioactive end already. Forget and move on with your life, this is really nothing to get upset about.
It's corruption, people will be mad about it no matter what you say.
Either the corruption ends, or they leave the server (or quit RO).
*continues to watch topic*
I'm sad cause I can't find my sharu screenshot of her cheating on bathories. I must of deleted it in my RO clean up when I thought I was going to quit for good >.>"
But here is some Jake past ;o Sorry I couldn't screenshot the kicking... if only it said "you have been kicked by a GM" Either way I post these for fun, it has nothing to do with Crono really...
The sad thing, on Deliverance, it's considered "GM disrespect" to suspect corruption and ask around if other players have seen it too.
some random guy talking to me, one of Jakes buddies >.>
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p234/mewiko/screenDeliverance283.jpg
He likes to spam broadcasts of his 'superiority'
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p234/mewiko/screenDeliverance284.jpg
Oh look he used @kill on me
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p234/mewiko/screenDeliverance285.jpg
Wee I'm a 1/1 Novice Now and #warped to pvp.
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p234/mewiko/screenDeliverance286.jpg
I suspected abuse obviously so he says, "I'm on my 'legit' more than my GM char" some GM he is >.> But does that really prove anything?
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p234/mewiko/screenDeliverance287.jpg
He suspects I'm a "b*tch"
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p234/mewiko/screenDeliverance288.jpg
Here come the revives and muting so he can hear himself talk
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p234/mewiko/screenDeliverance289.jpg
And now he drags my girlfriend into his Mewi crusade to pvp against her will and has her killed by randoms -.-
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p234/mewiko/screenDeliverance291.jpg
The only one I won't agree with as full proof is the one you said Jake @killed you with. =P He could well have done so, yes, but since you're in a field, there's still a chance something killed you and then left / got killed by someone else. Everything else is a little hard to ignore. xD
Quote from: Veirt on Jan 22, 2008, 06:58 AM
The only one I won't agree with as full proof is the one you said Jake @killed you with. =P He could well have done so, yes, but since you're in a field, there's still a chance something killed you and then left / got killed by someone else. Everything else is a little hard to ignore. xD
That field is grand pecopeco field... and notice my exact position hasnt changed, and incase you think a grand pecopeco can take my life out that fast ( a level 99/70 fully geared gypsy... ) Look at the time index between screenshots. I had less than 37 seconds to die... *cough cough* on Yuno_Fild08? by monsters? Not a chance ;p
But then again I think on Deliverance we have @die, I can't really remember. So maybe you are right that its not good enough 'proof' But giving that I was teleported to Izlude and turned into a 1/1 novice, would you really doubt it ;p?
:\ hard to ignore with that kind of proof. . .
however, Jake hasn't being playing on his GM account so idk what to say atm. Also, those image are well over 2 ish years old. imo, how do those image relate to the topic at hand? I am sorry for what happened to you however, i only wonder to myself of why as humans, go so far to burn each other to burn to show the worse side of the coin?
I know what i say would be burn to a crisp but i intend to spread no flaming here. As far as i know myself, the GM themselves as far as the community know, are just over worked. I speak unbiased and nor am i part of any of ANY of the bigger guilds within Deliverance; I am just your average player just shocked over what i am reading.
Personally, i do think people need to learn to forgive and forget.
Spoiler
please burn me away. . . /swt
Mewi's on another topic altogether (a valid one), and one I fixed by removing Jake, albeit after trusting him for much too long.
Funny thing is, the ignorant dramamongerers (whom, I might add, comprise less than one percent of the population) see this as mutiny rather than correcting a problem. So it's a lose-lose for me. I've addressed this in my post back on page...3, was it? We're repeating the same things over and over here.
Quote from: DeliveranceRO on Jan 22, 2008, 08:25 AM
Mewi's on another topic altogether (a valid one), and one I fixed by removing Jake, albeit after trusting him for much too long.
Funny thing is, the ignorant dramamongerers (whom, I might add, comprise less than one percent of the population) see this as mutiny rather than correcting a problem. So it's a lose-lose for me. I've addressed this in my post back on page...3, was it? We're repeating the same things over and over here.
Sowry... I did get slightly off topic D: Marc I've only seen you in game on your GM character and I did knew you were some lord knight in this dead guild from along time ago ( before I joined ). ( I cant remember the name ) I never saw that lord knight so... I don't think you would really bother with the game itself. ( or maybe you are just better at hiding than Jake was x3 jk )
You are probably more interested in helping people and watching them have fun on your server. You probably play other games too to avoid the RO drama. Which is understandable, I know of a few RO admins that do the same. I'll go shhh now x3, I wrote you a PM on deliverance if you want to read it later ;O I wrote it a few days ago.
Quote from: Mewi on Jan 22, 2008, 08:35 AM
Quote from: DeliveranceRO on Jan 22, 2008, 08:25 AM
Mewi's on another topic altogether (a valid one), and one I fixed by removing Jake, albeit after trusting him for much too long.
Funny thing is, the ignorant dramamongerers (whom, I might add, comprise less than one percent of the population) see this as mutiny rather than correcting a problem. So it's a lose-lose for me. I've addressed this in my post back on page...3, was it? We're repeating the same things over and over here.
Sowry... I did get slightly off topic D: Marc I've only seen you in game on your GM character and I did knew you were some lord knight in this dead guild from along time ago ( before I joined ). ( I cant remember the name ) I never saw that lord knight so... I don't think you would really bother with the game itself. ( or maybe you are just better at hiding than Jake was x3 jk )
You are probably more interested in helping people and watching them have fun on your server. You probably play other games too to avoid the RO drama. Which is understandable, I know of a few RO admins that do the same. I'll go shhh now x3, I wrote you a PM on deliverance if you want to read it later ;O I wrote it a few days ago.
I agree with Mewi to that extent. ^_^
I am an ex-member of Crystal Horizon. I had a wonderful time with the vast majority of members within the guild. and overall it was a good experience.
Now, I have a policy where nobody can say anything about a guild without either, proof or being with them for a long period of time. From my own judgement I can say that being with them for over a few months, not once did I see any corruption. All these false lies...etc derives from jealousy. People like to make up stories and s*** which they have no proof to back up with.
Crono does a fine job and its easy to accuse him of things because he's not always there to defend himself .
All I can say is, if you don't like the server and the way things are run then leave. You will not be missed.
Ryo
I used to be a very active member of the Deliverance-Online community, and honestly had a great time playing with a majority of the people there. I was one of the first starting members and the first Assassin Cross of the server. Deliverance was peachy. However, roughly a year ago almost all of the people worth being around were gone due to some information being found about how the GMs and guilds were behaving, so I took the tip and quit RO with them.
I've heard from people that used to be very close to the GMs everything ranging from GM Crono quitting his job and pocketing the "donation" money, money that they claim goes to upgrading and supporting newer and better servers (no one donates to f***' support the server. People donate for items. Everyone who says otherwise should quit s*** themselves.) to generating items for people they are currently e-dating, items that can't even be acquired by donating or ingame by any means. The person who brought this to the attention of GM Crono through the server forums had her topic removed. And as Mew said in an older page, when she even brought up the idea of corruption, she was publicly lynched by GM Crono and several players repeatedly in a PVP zone and humiliated before being banned from the server.
The general population of the guild in question, Crystal Horizon, is very elitist. I have experienced unmentionably idiotic behavior from their members, and have witnessed on multiple occasions their harassment of newer players and utilization of favoritism to their advantage.
The population of Deliverance has been kicked in the nuts, and I don't think it will ever be able to fully recover those people who are really worth a damn. There are still a handful of people that still play that I respect, but community-wise, it is a dying server.
Well, is there any evidence?
Quote from: Zone on Jan 22, 2008, 01:31 PM
Well, is there any evidence?
Well, the deal regarding the unattainable item on a character, the person who asked how to get it (she wasn't even reporting) has a screenshot of the headgear. I, and many others, also have a screenshot package showing a GM spearheading the public humiliation of Mew right before her ban.
Post the screen shot of the GM doing that, Pictures are worth a thousand words, so lets save some time and post the screenies.
Quote from: Zone on Jan 22, 2008, 01:58 PM
Post the screen shot of the GM doing that, Pictures are worth a thousand words, so lets save some time and post the screenies.
Yes its true it is worth a thousand words. But heres the problem, I need some people that I communicate too to give me my proof to what I'm talking about. I don't always have my finger on my print scr button. I think thats why there hasn't been many proofs. People has been typing down about their own experiences. Its not like they wait around all day for something like this to happen. Most of the time stuff like this takes them by suprise and they were too in the moment to accually think of screen shotting let alone know what to do in the situation.
zone, you vulture. is it possible to satiate your obvious love for drama by simply reading a topic and not egging it on?
i've been playing the server for over a year and a half, and i remember hearing about the mewi incident. i've also heard other various rumors of suspicious GM/subGM activity (yes, even that retarded @follow to get to ice3) and yeah, some of those have made me uncomfortable and briefly question my devotion to the server. but then i take a break from it, go find another private server or two to play for a week, and i always. miss. deli. because yeah, s*** happens, but it happens on every server. on deli, i believe that problems are usually handled in the best way possible. maybe marc's been too harsh or too lenient on some cases, but in the end, he handles things the best. he IS the best GM i've seen on any server, and i have played a lot. i'm not saying he's perfect, i'm saying that overall, he does a damn good job and lately, people are forgetting that.
so uh, if you're trolling this topic and you're looking for a server, ignore the s*** and join. we may not be completely up to date, but everything we do have works and the GM(s) actually give a damn about keeping your community devoid of trash. thanks.
Quote from: tabiiro on Jan 22, 2008, 02:26 PM
zone, you vulture. is it possible to satiate your obvious love for drama by simply reading a topic and not egging it on?
i've been playing the server for over a year and a half, and i remember hearing about the mewi incident. i've also heard other various rumors of suspicious GM/subGM activity (yes, even that retarded @follow to get to ice3) and yeah, some of those have made me uncomfortable and briefly question my devotion to the server. but then i take a break from it, go find another private server or two to play for a week, and i always. miss. deli. because yeah, s*** happens, but it happens on every server. on deli, i believe that problems are usually handled in the best way possible. maybe marc's been too harsh or too lenient on some cases, but in the end, he handles things the best. he IS the best GM i've seen on any server, and i have played a lot. i'm not saying he's perfect, i'm saying that overall, he does a damn good job and lately, people are forgetting that.
so uh, if you're trolling this topic and you're looking for a server, ignore the s*** and join. we may not be completely up to date, but everything we do have works and the GM(s) actually give a damn about keeping your community devoid of trash. thanks.
Vulture?
Read my signature, RO sucks but the e-drama is great. Meaning: it is amusing, it makes me laugh when I see people try to defend themselves with lies.
But that does not mean I do not like to get things solved, otherwise I wouldn't be telling them to post screen shots.
Care to use the name we have for this Marc?
A GM could be the best GM in history, but if he screws up once it will still be an error on his part. What they have said is more than once, and those screw-ups aren't small.
By the way, that language is not nessecary. GM(s)? Do you even know how many GMs there are on your server?
I doubt anyone trolling a topic would be looking to join the server that is being reported as corrupt.
=.=
Marc is Crono.
i say GM(s) because (if you've been reading, ahem) the sub-GMs and co-GM were recently demoted.
as far as i'm concerned, marc hasn't screwed up, he's only responded to the problems and screw-ups of others that have arisen.
Quote from: Im not Lute on Jan 22, 2008, 01:06 PM
However, roughly a year ago almost all of the people worth being around were gone due to some information being found about how the GMs and guilds were behaving, so I took the tip and quit RO with them.
And as Mew said in an older page, when she even brought up the idea of corruption, she was publicly lynched by GM Crono and several players repeatedly in a PVP zone and humiliated before being banned from the server.
That is screwing up.
xD Every GM will screw up sooner or later. It's bound to happen with any server that's lived longer than a year. The only acception to this rule is a non-GM ran servers. I've honestly only seen MouRO as an example in RO so far, but there are several of those kind of servers in various other games.
So far, we've only had proof on Jake. xD And it's pretty damn tough to disqualify most of it. I personally don't see it as off topic, since it still deals with Deliverance, and the topic is about dRO's corruption issues in general. Jake applies to that. =P
D= Really, this doesn't sound a hell of a lot like Crono, the whole abuse in PVP ordeal. However, the player thing WILL happen. xD It happens often with almost any act against the server in general. A lot of older characters, often the more elite-inclined [ I could start making names, but then this would start turning into a flame war ], will PVP you on sight if you do anything considered negative. xD It happens. A LOT. Still, I haven't seen Crono do this.
Wait. No, there WAS an incident. xD However, it was perfectly justified. A twisted man came in and sent PMs to people with several inappropriate 'erotic' pictures. He was eventually caught. Instead of directly banning him at first, he was allowed to play, and was someone that, if I'm not mistaken, you could kill even in the fields, for a few months, before being IP banned. o.o It's a little fuzzy to me, but it was perfectly justified. At least, in my mind. xD The perverted moron was pretty blood pissed, I'd imagine, but oh well.
I'm still not sure. xD However, while I don't think Crono does this himself, you are almost always out-casted by the majority of the higher players in the game if you scream corruption. The community does it without any need to be pushed towards it.
That was a major mistake right there.
Letting someone play the server after sexually harassing players.
By sexual harassment, I am referencing that he was sending a lot of people sexual images.
That should be an auto IP ban. Think about it, on neRO, there is 9 year old playing, a 9 year old.
Now, I don't necessarily agree with the age that this person is allowed to play MMO's, but the fact of the matter is, these are kids, and I sure as hell wouldn't want my children seeing that stuff.
Players range from 9 years old (maybe younger o_0) to at least in their late 30s (yeah, I know a guy who is 38 and plays. Not being able to work due to surgery does that.)
You are an idiot if you don't IP ban someone for doing such things.
Quote from: Zone on Jan 22, 2008, 03:16 PM
Quote from: Im not Lute on Jan 22, 2008, 01:06 PM
However, roughly a year ago almost all of the people worth being around were gone due to some information being found about how the GMs and guilds were behaving, so I took the tip and quit RO with them.
And as Mew said in an older page, when she even brought up the idea of corruption, she was publicly lynched by GM Crono and several players repeatedly in a PVP zone and humiliated before being banned from the server.
That is screwing up.
you've been reading the whole topic, yet somehow didn't see that was a typo? every other report about that incident stated it was GM Jake. not the mention the screenshots.
If it was a typo, why wasn't it fixed for one. Second of all, Jake and Crono are far from similar.
Now even if that wasn't him.
Quote from: Veirt on Jan 22, 2008, 03:56 PM
Wait. No, there WAS an incident. xD However, it was perfectly justified. A twisted man came in and sent PMs to people with several inappropriate 'erotic' pictures. He was eventually caught. Instead of directly banning him at first, he was allowed to play, and was someone that, if I'm not mistaken, you could kill even in the fields, for a few months, before being IP banned.
That was a major fault on his part, in my eyes, because he allowed it to continue.
I'm fairly sure he was IP banned from the forums. o.o Just not the game, since you really can't show pictures on the game.
He was left alone in game as part of a punishment (allowed to be PKed on normal maps). It was Crono's special way of dealing with him, before excommunication. It was a foul up in your opinion because he didn't handle it how you think he should handle it, correct? I disagree, but thats primarily because the given person was a complete douche bag; a sniveling excuse for a pile of matter, mostly sub-human. The fact of the matter is that people deal with things differently; and you're entitled to disagree with Crono's methods. Everyone is. Kinda sucks when they gang up on him and call for a beheading.
I've been a member of approximately 50 servers, ranging from Low rate (7/7/Custom Drops was my first server; anyone remember ValhallaRO?) to Super High rate (15k/15k/100%), over the course of the past 5 years. I've been a member of Deliverance for over two years now, and despite my month long stints of absence (for work, for school, for pleasure) I keep coming back because I love the community. We have our a******, but every server does. I don't agree with all of the population all of the time, but I agree with some of them some of the time.
RO is Drama. Period. I'll agree on that point. Because it's played (for the most part) by teenagers with the high school mentality. I came to terms with this ages ago.
However, the 'corruption' that has recently came to light made me (like tabiiro) question my existence on Deliverance. Could I deal with this? Could I accept that the server I once knew was changing, for better or for worse? My greatest fear was that it would shut down; I'm no social butterfly, but I have friends that I've made over my stay here and I treasure them.
Simple answer? Yes. I can deal with it. Despite the drama mongering, the lynch mobs, and the cries of 'foul,' I'll stay. Because Crono busts his donkey. Because the GM team has pleased me. Because WoE (although stale at times because it's become routine and mundane; I blame lack of competition) is what it is. I love Deliverance, in all it's ups and downs, drama and peace.
I had heard rumors for a while about Jake; specifically @iteming for Melody. Most of the rumors I heard though came about after she was banned (which time? who knows?). I didn't know about the incident with Mewi; happened while I was gone or what ever. I'm saddened that people can behave like that.
Less Drama mongering, more facts please. I'd like to see some screenshots or something to back up the accusations against CH (I haven't been a member for over a year and half, but I have a great deal of respect for them).
I'll address the more recent posts. My post on page 3 still fully addresses everything else that has been brought up.
PVP player abuse: I'm fairly certain the person who wrote this included the wrong name or something. I rarely went to the PVP map if at all, and I was almost always on invisible when I did. The only times I could be credited with player massacre would be when I would ask players to crowd around me and nuke myself, but this was always intentional and everyone knew I was gonna do it, and would crowd for fun. And I suppose when I would spam MA while standing in an isolated spot. The players would walk into me for fun/to see ridiculous damage pop up. So if anyone was being outright beaten senseless I'd imagine it was the empty shell of a botter or the empty shell of a scammer with no morals, and they'd be promptly permbanned. But I have not done this sort of thing in a very long time; I just ban them now without the silliness. They may have been referring to the Jake/Mewi situation. At this time she was claiming KRUPT to Jake all the time. Without any evidence in the logs I had faith in him and so had to support him on "Don't disrespect the GM" type grounds. Yes, there were some issues here. Yes, I addressed this in page 3.
Player being smacked around instead of permbanned: This one sounds like incorrect facts, as I'm not sure what people are talking about. Anyone who was spamming inappropriate images on the forums would be promptly IPbanned from forums and game, NOT permitted the chance to continue to expose players to such things. In the case of Danny Lee Allen, if this is the person you're referring to, I IPbanned, contacted his ISP (and encouraged my players to do so as well), and opened a police report with his local PD. I'm not sure there's a whole lot more a GM *can* do. He changes his IP frequently.
As far as I know all claims of corruption have been resolved (before the opening of this topic, I might add)?
Hope that clears things up. Keep 'em coming.
Quote from: DeliveranceRO on Jan 22, 2008, 08:53 PM
I'll address the more recent posts. My post on page 3 still fully addresses everything else that has been brought up.
PVP player abuse: I'm fairly certain the person who wrote this included the wrong name or something. I rarely went to the PVP map if at all, and I was almost always on invisible when I did. The only times I could be credited with player massacre would be when I would ask players to crowd around me and nuke myself, but this was always intentional and everyone knew I was gonna do it, and would crowd for fun. And I suppose when I would spam MA while standing in an isolated spot. The players would walk into me for fun/to see ridiculous damage pop up. So if anyone was being outright beaten senseless I'd imagine it was the empty shell of a botter or the empty shell of a scammer with no morals, and they'd be promptly permbanned. But I have not done this sort of thing in a very long time; I just ban them now without the silliness. They may have been referring to the Jake/Mewi situation. At this time she was claiming KRUPT to Jake all the time. Without any evidence in the logs I had faith in him and so had to support him on "Don't disrespect the GM" type grounds. Yes, there were some issues here. Yes, I addressed this in page 3.
Player being smacked around instead of permbanned: This one sounds like incorrect facts, as I'm not sure what people are talking about. Anyone who was spamming inappropriate images on the forums would be promptly IPbanned from forums and game, NOT permitted the chance to continue to expose players to such things. In the case of Danny Lee Allen, if this is the person you're referring to, I IPbanned, contacted his ISP (and encouraged my players to do so as well), and opened a police report with his local PD. I'm not sure there's a whole lot more a GM *can* do. He changes his IP frequently.
As far as I know all claims of corruption have been resolved (before the opening of this topic, I might add)?
Hope that clears things up. Keep 'em coming.
I am glad you posted this, that clears up a lot to me.
Though, contacting the police and his ISP really wouldn't do anything, I still see them as well intended.
However, why is it everyone else has stated you allowed him to play ingame after this incident?
I'd imagine this is some form of erroneous misconception. The only way someone who's done this would keep playing would be if they changed their IP as they are all IPbanned immediately. There's only one player who has done this (the one I mentioned in the other post), but he's banned every time he returns on a new IP or proxy. This is very known among the players so I don't see how or why anyone might mistake this for allowing the guy to play on purpose.
Well then, it seems that clears it up then.
Now let's wait for others' responses.
xD Yay for misconceptions! I could have sworn you have joked around about us being allowed to kill him in game if we saw him, so I had assumed that he could still get on at will, thus kind of daring him to come in and bother us, to feel the endless wrath of the community - because I know for a fact that there would be several who would spend all of their time doing nothing but hunting him, and a game would quickly be made of it. Ah well. xD That takes care of that, then. Sorry for bringing up apparently false information. =P My bad!
People who have enough time to hunt someone on a video game should find something else to do.
Now that I quit RO, I have been studying, I have PT tomorrow morning =.=, and playing my PS3 online.
People who have enough time to troll on a forum that is completely unrelated to them should really find something else to do.
Quote from: DeliveranceRO on Jan 20, 2008, 05:32 PM
He's good with computers; he can break in anytime he wants. I've chosen to trust him not to do this.
So that's that. Move on with your lives folks, arguing accomplishes nothing.
Chrono, you shouldn't be able to remember me and that's better but here's my 2 cents
If
YOU wanted to stop jake from breaking in you would have done it a long time ago because jake is in no way better then the average computer guy. He can't decrypt an MD5 Pass nor can he perform an SQL injection on CP to recover his access with just a little amount of effort (@_@)!
So yeah i think that you just wanted to continue with him...
1- Yes he can.
2- Yes he can.
(3) - But he won't. We discussed the situation.
Keep in mind he's in the military training in PC security, yeah?
Thanks for the baseless conjecture, though.
I seen people who said the community is great. But its more or less the problem that makes people bias. I have seen people alienated from others and kill on sight in pvp, and I seen people totally insulted in public due to people accually not liking them. In the dRO society from what I can see is one you can only enjoy if your in the inner circles of the popular people. If they don't like you for a curtain reason, your basically going to say your experience totally sucked.
Anyways, my skepticallity is more towards the GM staff. After watching over time from Reincarnation to Deli I seen the same history repeated by the GMs. I have had little things every so often happens that I have to suspect the GM team.
What I find funny is Melody. I remember her under a different name on Rein being GM Sho's girlfriend who he spoils and breaks the rules for. He was a really sad excuse for a GM. He would just be there to be all high and mighty. If he didn't like you he would snob you. Anyways she was on Deli with a changed name due to her being publically hated by people. She was a nice person, just wrong people to hang out with.
Quote from: keganbrendan on Jan 23, 2008, 10:59 AM
People who have enough time to troll on a forum that is completely unrelated to them should really find something else to do.
I can post here regardless if I am involved in the server, these forums are open to everyone, and second of all, this is in server discussion.
Quote from: DeliveranceRO on Jan 23, 2008, 06:28 PM
1- Yes he can.
2- Yes he can.
(3) - But he won't. We discussed the situation.
Keep in mind he's in the military training in PC security, yeah?
Thanks for the baseless conjecture, though.
3 Chinese cryptographers cracked SHA-1. That is what NSA uses, so I am sure he can crack MD5, it may take a little while, but it is possible. Servers have their own MD5 algorithm open for everyone, so it wouldn't be too hard for him.
/***********************************************************
* md5 calculation algorithm
*
* The source code referred to the following URL.
* http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-Oakland/8878/lab17/lab17.html
*
***********************************************************/
#include "md5calc.h"
#include <string.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#ifndef UINT_MAX
#define UINT_MAX 4294967295U
#endif
// Global variable
static unsigned int *pX;
// String Table
static const unsigned int T[] = {
0xd76aa478, 0xe8c7b756, 0x242070db, 0xc1bdceee, //0
0xf57c0faf, 0x4787c62a, 0xa8304613, 0xfd469501, //4
0x698098d8, 0x8b44f7af, 0xffff5bb1, 0x895cd7be, //8
0x6b901122, 0xfd987193, 0xa679438e, 0x49b40821, //12
0xf61e2562, 0xc040b340, 0x265e5a51, 0xe9b6c7aa, //16
0xd62f105d, 0x2441453, 0xd8a1e681, 0xe7d3fbc8, //20
0x21e1cde6, 0xc33707d6, 0xf4d50d87, 0x455a14ed, //24
0xa9e3e905, 0xfcefa3f8, 0x676f02d9, 0x8d2a4c8a, //28
0xfffa3942, 0x8771f681, 0x6d9d6122, 0xfde5380c, //32
0xa4beea44, 0x4bdecfa9, 0xf6bb4b60, 0xbebfbc70, //36
0x289b7ec6, 0xeaa127fa, 0xd4ef3085, 0x4881d05, //40
0xd9d4d039, 0xe6db99e5, 0x1fa27cf8, 0xc4ac5665, //44
0xf4292244, 0x432aff97, 0xab9423a7, 0xfc93a039, //48
0x655b59c3, 0x8f0ccc92, 0xffeff47d, 0x85845dd1, //52
0x6fa87e4f, 0xfe2ce6e0, 0xa3014314, 0x4e0811a1, //56
0xf7537e82, 0xbd3af235, 0x2ad7d2bb, 0xeb86d391 //60
};
// ROTATE_LEFT The left is made to rotate x [ n-bit ]. This is diverted as it is from RFC.
#define ROTATE_LEFT(x, n) (((x) << (n)) | ((x) >> (32-(n))))
// The function used for other calculation
static unsigned int F(unsigned int X, unsigned int Y, unsigned int Z)
{
return (X & Y) | (~X & Z);
}
static unsigned int G(unsigned int X, unsigned int Y, unsigned int Z)
{
return (X & Z) | (Y & ~Z);
}
static unsigned int H(unsigned int X, unsigned int Y, unsigned int Z)
{
return X ^ Y ^ Z;
}
static unsigned int I(unsigned int X, unsigned int Y, unsigned int Z)
{
return Y ^ (X | ~Z);
}
static unsigned int Round(unsigned int a, unsigned int b, unsigned int FGHI,
unsigned int k, unsigned int s, unsigned int i)
{
return b + ROTATE_LEFT(a + FGHI + pX[k] + T[i], s);
}
static void Round1(unsigned int *a, unsigned int b, unsigned int c,
unsigned int d,unsigned int k, unsigned int s, unsigned int i)
{
*a = Round(*a, b, F(b,c,d), k, s, i);
}
static void Round2(unsigned int *a, unsigned int b, unsigned int c,
unsigned int d,unsigned int k, unsigned int s, unsigned int i)
{
*a = Round(*a, b, G(b,c,d), k, s, i);
}
static void Round3(unsigned int *a, unsigned int b, unsigned int c,
unsigned int d,unsigned int k, unsigned int s, unsigned int i)
{
*a = Round(*a, b, H(b,c,d), k, s, i);
}
static void Round4(unsigned int *a, unsigned int b, unsigned int c,
unsigned int d,unsigned int k, unsigned int s, unsigned int i)
{
*a = Round(*a, b, I(b,c,d), k, s, i);
}
static void MD5_Round_Calculate(const unsigned char *block,
unsigned int *A2, unsigned int *B2, unsigned int *C2, unsigned int *D2)
{
//create X It is since it is required.
unsigned int X[16]; //512bit 64byte
int j,k;
//Save A as AA, B as BB, C as CC, and and D as DD (saving of A, B, C, and D)
unsigned int A=*A2, B=*B2, C=*C2, D=*D2;
unsigned int AA = A,BB = B,CC = C,DD = D;
//It is a large region variable reluctantly because of calculation of a round. . . for Round1...4
pX = X;
//Copy block(padding_message) i into X
for (j=0,k=0; j<64; j+=4,k++)
X[k] = ( (unsigned int )block[j] ) // 8byte*4 -> 32byte conversion
| ( ((unsigned int )block[j+1]) << 8 ) // A function called Decode as used in the field of RFC
| ( ((unsigned int )block[j+2]) << 16 )
| ( ((unsigned int )block[j+3]) << 24 );
//Round 1
Round1(&A,B,C,D, 0, 7, 0); Round1(&D,A,B,C, 1, 12, 1); Round1(&C,D,A,B, 2, 17, 2); Round1(&B,C,D,A, 3, 22, 3);
Round1(&A,B,C,D, 4, 7, 4); Round1(&D,A,B,C, 5, 12, 5); Round1(&C,D,A,B, 6, 17, 6); Round1(&B,C,D,A, 7, 22, 7);
Round1(&A,B,C,D, 8, 7, 8); Round1(&D,A,B,C, 9, 12, 9); Round1(&C,D,A,B, 10, 17, 10); Round1(&B,C,D,A, 11, 22, 11);
Round1(&A,B,C,D, 12, 7, 12); Round1(&D,A,B,C, 13, 12, 13); Round1(&C,D,A,B, 14, 17, 14); Round1(&B,C,D,A, 15, 22, 15);
//Round 2
Round2(&A,B,C,D, 1, 5, 16); Round2(&D,A,B,C, 6, 9, 17); Round2(&C,D,A,B, 11, 14, 18); Round2(&B,C,D,A, 0, 20, 19);
Round2(&A,B,C,D, 5, 5, 20); Round2(&D,A,B,C, 10, 9, 21); Round2(&C,D,A,B, 15, 14, 22); Round2(&B,C,D,A, 4, 20, 23);
Round2(&A,B,C,D, 9, 5, 24); Round2(&D,A,B,C, 14, 9, 25); Round2(&C,D,A,B, 3, 14, 26); Round2(&B,C,D,A, 8, 20, 27);
Round2(&A,B,C,D, 13, 5, 28); Round2(&D,A,B,C, 2, 9, 29); Round2(&C,D,A,B, 7, 14, 30); Round2(&B,C,D,A, 12, 20, 31);
//Round 3
Round3(&A,B,C,D, 5, 4, 32); Round3(&D,A,B,C, 8, 11, 33); Round3(&C,D,A,B, 11, 16, 34); Round3(&B,C,D,A, 14, 23, 35);
Round3(&A,B,C,D, 1, 4, 36); Round3(&D,A,B,C, 4, 11, 37); Round3(&C,D,A,B, 7, 16, 38); Round3(&B,C,D,A, 10, 23, 39);
Round3(&A,B,C,D, 13, 4, 40); Round3(&D,A,B,C, 0, 11, 41); Round3(&C,D,A,B, 3, 16, 42); Round3(&B,C,D,A, 6, 23, 43);
Round3(&A,B,C,D, 9, 4, 44); Round3(&D,A,B,C, 12, 11, 45); Round3(&C,D,A,B, 15, 16, 46); Round3(&B,C,D,A, 2, 23, 47);
//Round 4
Round4(&A,B,C,D, 0, 6, 48); Round4(&D,A,B,C, 7, 10, 49); Round4(&C,D,A,B, 14, 15, 50); Round4(&B,C,D,A, 5, 21, 51);
Round4(&A,B,C,D, 12, 6, 52); Round4(&D,A,B,C, 3, 10, 53); Round4(&C,D,A,B, 10, 15, 54); Round4(&B,C,D,A, 1, 21, 55);
Round4(&A,B,C,D, 8, 6, 56); Round4(&D,A,B,C, 15, 10, 57); Round4(&C,D,A,B, 6, 15, 58); Round4(&B,C,D,A, 13, 21, 59);
Round4(&A,B,C,D, 4, 6, 60); Round4(&D,A,B,C, 11, 10, 61); Round4(&C,D,A,B, 2, 15, 62); Round4(&B,C,D,A, 9, 21, 63);
// Then perform the following additions. (let's add)
*A2 = A + AA;
*B2 = B + BB;
*C2 = C + CC;
*D2 = D + DD;
//The clearance of confidential information
memset(pX, 0, sizeof(X));
}
//-------------------------------------------------------------------
// The function for the exteriors
/** output is the coded binary in the character sequence which wants to code string. */
void MD5_String2binary(const char * string, char * output)
{
//var
/*8bit*/
unsigned char padding_message[64]; //Extended message 512bit 64byte
unsigned char *pstring; //The position of string in the present scanning notes is held.
// unsigned char digest[16];
/*32bit*/
unsigned int string_byte_len, //The byte chief of string is held.
string_bit_len, //The bit length of string is held.
copy_len, //The number of bytes which is used by 1-3 and which remained
msg_digest[4]; //Message digest 128bit 4byte
unsigned int *A = &msg_digest[0], //The message digest in accordance with RFC (reference)
*B = &msg_digest[1],
*C = &msg_digest[2],
*D = &msg_digest[3];
int i;
//prog
//Step 3.Initialize MD Buffer (although it is the initialization; step 3 of A, B, C, and D -- unavoidable -- a head)
*A = 0x67452301;
*B = 0xefcdab89;
*C = 0x98badcfe;
*D = 0x10325476;
//Step 1.Append Padding Bits (extension of a mark bit)
//1-1
string_byte_len = (unsigned int)strlen(string); //The byte chief of a character sequence is acquired.
pstring = (unsigned char *)string; //The position of the present character sequence is set.
//1-2 Repeat calculation until length becomes less than 64 bytes.
for (i=string_byte_len; 64<=i; i-=64,pstring+=64)
MD5_Round_Calculate(pstring, A,B,C,D);
//1-3
copy_len = string_byte_len % 64; //The number of bytes which remained is computed.
strncpy((char *)padding_message, (char *)pstring, copy_len); //A message is copied to an extended bit sequence.
memset(padding_message+copy_len, 0, 64 - copy_len); //It buries by 0 until it becomes extended bit length.
padding_message[copy_len] |= 0x80; //The next of a message is 1.
//1-4
//If 56 bytes or more (less than 64 bytes) of remainder becomes, it will calculate by extending to 64 bytes.
if (56 <= copy_len) {
MD5_Round_Calculate(padding_message, A,B,C,D);
memset(padding_message, 0, 56); //56 bytes is newly fill uped with 0.
}
//Step 2.Append Length (the information on length is added)
string_bit_len = string_byte_len * 8; //From the byte chief to bit length (32 bytes of low rank)
memcpy(&padding_message[56], &string_bit_len, 4); //32 bytes of low rank is set.
//When bit length cannot be expressed in 32 bytes of low rank, it is a beam raising to a higher rank.
if (UINT_MAX / 8 < string_byte_len) {
unsigned int high = (string_byte_len - UINT_MAX / 8) * 8;
memcpy(&padding_message[60], &high, 4);
} else
memset(&padding_message[60], 0, 4); //In this case, it is good for a higher rank at 0.
//Step 4.Process Message in 16-Word Blocks (calculation of MD5)
MD5_Round_Calculate(padding_message, A,B,C,D);
//Step 5.Output (output)
memcpy(output,msg_digest,16);
// memcpy (digest, msg_digest, and 16); //8 byte*4 < - 32byte conversion A function called Encode as used in the field of RFC
/* sprintf(output,
"%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x",
digest[ 0], digest[ 1], digest[ 2], digest[ 3],
digest[ 4], digest[ 5], digest[ 6], digest[ 7],
digest[ 8], digest[ 9], digest[10], digest[11],
digest[12], digest[13], digest[14], digest[15]);*/
}
/** output is the coded character sequence in the character sequence which wants to code string. */
void MD5_String(const char * string, char * output)
{
unsigned char digest[16];
MD5_String2binary(string,(char*)digest);
sprintf(output,
"%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x%02x",
digest[ 0], digest[ 1], digest[ 2], digest[ 3],
digest[ 4], digest[ 5], digest[ 6], digest[ 7],
digest[ 8], digest[ 9], digest[10], digest[11],
digest[12], digest[13], digest[14], digest[15]);
}
Being that it is in the cryptographic field, there is a chance he can crack the passwords.
IS and CT are different though, IS is security, CT is crypto tech. So alot that is in CT will not be in IS.
I am going on April 2nd myself as an IT until I get Lasek, then probably going in as CTN or CTI.
Hah. I LOL'd a few times in this thread.
I'm not here to "defend" myself against you people (Those who know me anyway), so let's just get that straight first. I'm here to shed light on all of your behavior.
I mean, I hope you do know you're bickering about a game started by teenagers, right?
But I might as well put in my two cents...I mean, that's what everyone else is doing. (Oh snap, I must not go against the opinion of the public.)
Deliverance:
It was a great server to start. Once more players joined, and things really started getting rolling, nothing changed. That was the problem. The community began to become bored, very fast. So what do the vets from Reincarnation / Deliverance do best? Talk smack! Of course. It's all good though, those smart enough to get out while they were ahead were better off.
Meet Izlude:
One thing that turned a majority of the people away was the vile attitude of the PvP Junkies. Merciless people without a care for anyone elses feelings but their own. True, it's a game, and PvP is PvP, enter at your own risk. When there's only one FFA PvP room, tensions grow larger between those of the community. The "Izlude" PvP room was always dominated by the "Strongest" guild at the time. Currently it stands as Crystal Horizon.
Meet the Arena:
When you finished getting your butt whipped by the tens of people whom attack you at once while spawning into Izlude, you'd probably find yourself here. Separated groups between the large room, between certain guilds. There was always the group who talked smack about the "Izludians", and the rest were scattered about doing their own thing.
The Arena was made up of the sub-dominating guilds. IE: Paw Alliance
The situation here:
It isn't between what GM committed the murder with the revolver in the Dining room..It all stems off of these two segregated groups. The "Arena" People, dislike the "Izludians", and visa versa.
Each group would find the grimiest dirt to throw at eachother... Whether it be "Wal-Mart" or stupid 4chan crap, it was tossed around like bad lunch meat. The tension became so great between these rivals that suggestions of "GM Corruption" amongst Sub-GM's in the "Izludian" guild were thrown into play. It was also suggested due to the "Influence" of these Sub-GM's, many things were overlooked by Marc. (Crono)
Upon the "Izludian" group hearing of this, they instantly fired back with attacks on Jake. And how he is corrupt because he's taking sides with his girlfriends guild. Jake defends what he believes in, it's a common trait in many people. And how dare you all try and hold that against him.
True our relationship didn't help this "situation" knowing my "past". I put past in quotes because so many lies and fabrications have been stemmed out of that "story", it's impossible and pointless to attempt to defend my actions.
Regardless, everyone is at fault here. No one is 100% right.
Crono / Marc: True, the man wasn't a bad Game Master, his opinions became a little fuzzy towards the most recent events, but can you blame him? "Your" server falling apart infront of your eyes and you can't stop it. What to do? Go along with the majority! Yeah! 'atta boy! Cause we know they're always right. /sarcasm
I wish you luck in trying build "your" server to what it used to be, but a little advice would be to follow your own rules. That whole Terri B.S. was a little absurd.
No Duel Clienting means No Duel Clienting. "Your" server isn't the Quebec's Law, there shouldn't be an exception to every rule.
And in closing....:
It's a game. It's an online community. Repeat that to yourself, and go sit outside in the sunlight to give your pale skin a taste of sunshine.
If your social focus derives off of a Video Game, I think you need some serious counseling.
-Kris
P.S.: I tried to be as nice as possible, though I really have no reason to be. So if I offended anyone in any way? Life moves on.
Also, Kudos to the dude who said, "Leave their relationship out of it". Gasp, someone with a mind of his own!
A little bitter, a little sarcastic, some hints at not said things in the way it was written, yet it still works and makes sense. xD Personally never met Melody, and have nothing to go by but the stories, that I only learned in the last week or so. Thus, I accept most of that, since it's essentially not all the different from what's all ready been said.
The relationships were involved because they're convenient pieces of information, and a lot of people DO act different around those they have a relationship with. =P But... meh. Again, never knew anything but the stories, so I won't judge anything.
Still intelligence being used here, saved a few posts now and again. o.o That's impressive, considering we're all ready on chapter eight [ Pages now equal chapters, because I can make them as such. xD ], and people are still being reasonable in their defenses. =D I like it. E-drama with actual reason! A rarity in itself. xD
Honestly, the entire point Melody said about that nothing had changed is my main point of losing faith in dRO. It's been ages since a lot of serious, heavy additions were made to increase the game play of the entire community. The SVN update, along with it's own system of Good - Evil finally working, would probably save the server. o.o It's not really horrible, from what I've seen. Just... old. xD
Marc, here's some advice, if you're still reading this, which I'd imagine you are. xD Stop trying to rebuild as it was. You've worked as hard as hell fixing the issues with the one large bad guild incident. Now, you're probably going to try and rebuild from this. Stop rebuilding back to what happened before the mess, and build forward. A lot of problems is you try to maintain the server. Don't just maintain, improve. Go forward, don't go back to make sure you can stick to the same thing as before, more or less taking care of the one issue that makes it harder to maintain things. All I've got, but it might be worth giving a try. =P
Let's see... I've gone through several bowels of popcorn reading this. -Sips on theatre coke.- What's next? God, I feel like a troll. o.o Honestly, I'm still just hearing talk, accept from one post with serious screenshots. xD Sadly, I don't think there is a lot of things that really makes this thread need to be kept alive, though. Hasn't everything been more or less covered now? o.o
I guess I'll post here since just cus everyone seems to be doing it o,o
You know...actually looking back at various E-drama topics that have popped up over the eons upon eons of angst drifting towards servers, it's almost never the GMs or Admin that did what the whiner states they did, next time I see nay-saying about a server "liek omgar, the GM perma-banned me CURUPT", I'm going to assume it's a complete lie and take the GMs side because no one who provides free service deserves that amount of bs.....
I just feel sorry for the server owner or whomever has to deal with whining kids like this everyday :-\
Quote from: MrrgleCaek on Jan 23, 2008, 11:36 PMI just feel sorry for the server owner or whomever has to deal with whining kids like this everyday :-\
That is part of having a server, if you want to have a server, you are going to have to deal with people who whine like this everyday. (unless it is a real private server, where only the invited friends can play.)
Ugh, trust me, I've had my share with whining myself with my server...just not to this degree that DeliveranceRO is facing, that's why I felt really bad, I prolly would've gone absolutly mad if I dealt with what DeliveranceRO is >_<;.
I would simply ignore them.
If they want to make a scene, let them, they are just showing their immaturity.
If they post here saying bad stuff, provide chat logs and screenshots, and links if necessary.
Other than that, tell them to post something that actually matters.
Quote from: Zone on Jan 24, 2008, 03:27 AM
I would simply ignore them.
If they want to make a scene, let them, they are just showing their immaturity.
If they post here saying bad stuff, provide chat logs and screenshots, and links if necessary.
Other than that, tell them to post something that actually matters.
Exactly, which is why it seems suspecious that they are trying to prove themselves rather too hardly. Its like a government killing someone who just releashed important information out to public. Its too suspecious.
Quote from: MoonlightShadow on Jan 24, 2008, 07:59 AM
Quote from: Zone on Jan 24, 2008, 03:27 AM
I would simply ignore them.
If they want to make a scene, let them, they are just showing their immaturity.
If they post here saying bad stuff, provide chat logs and screenshots, and links if necessary.
Other than that, tell them to post something that actually matters.
Exactly, which is why it seems suspecious that they are trying to prove themselves rather too hardly. Its like a government killing someone who just releashed important information out to public. Its too suspecious.
Lol, I gather information before I make reports all the time, and I mean thoroughly.
Government killing someone released important info to the public, the only reason they would is if it is information at a top secret or even higher confidentiality, because it would be catastrophic to the government if someone knew that info, that shouldn't. Such information is why the FBI has been researching me, as I am going to be actually handling that kind of information.
I really do not understand why people see this as drama, drama would involve a lot more yelling, insult throwing and other useless garbage. For the most part this thread has been peaceful and informative. Sure not all information is correct but this certainly is not a topic of 'whining' and 'e-drama' . Maybe the events that happened on dro contained them, but this thread is just going through that history. It does not appear to have any real signs that some of the more defensive players claim.
But that is just my opinion.
It died ; - ;
But now a new topic, a friend just told me about ScytheRO being hacked by some Russians.
Well, I suppose it's good that this topic hasn't died before I ventured upon it (it's in Google).
I was the first player to ever log into Deliverance Online when it opened to the public way way back some 2 years ago.
Of course, as any regular player could attest, I've barely played for over the past year, logging some 10 hours total over the course of a year.
I'm not going to make any opinions since I've had no idea what's been going on in the server for a while.
I just had a comment to make on something I found ironic.
Didn't we, the Day One players, start up Deliverance Online because we wanted to leave another server that was corrupt and slowly dying? Because of a GM there who was leeching our money and not using it to support the server who we all loved to bash (Nau...something. I don't remember >.>).
Oh History, you little bastard D:
Not that I'm saying Marc did any of this, since I haven't seen him for quite a while and can only judge him based on the first year I knew him, where he was a very hard worker who lost quite a lot of sleep trying to keep the server alive and growing.
I'ma stay neutral on this topic >.>
Lol, even google likes RMS. /gg
Ill preface this by saying that, until recently, I have been one of the most active members of Deliverance, both in game and in the forums. (Hell, I have multiple thousands of posts in the forums by this point)
Essentially, when the latest issue went into view, most of the "mob" focused on Terri not being banned and missed some of the most important accusations.
The thing that bothers me is the double standards that exists in deliverance.
Let me preface my first argument by stating that it was stated on deliverance forums by a SubGM and confirmed by Marc that any dual-clienting other than to trade items was a punishable offense. Marc pm'd Terri stating that he had a valid dual client report on her. I know and have heard of many people banned for dual-clienting that did not get such a pm. Its things like that that makes people wonder. Why did she get the pm when others have not? Would it be because she came from Redemption? But Marc claims he does not know her, while serveral former players from redemption can attest to them knowing each other. So he has his emotion breakdown or w/e (Unprofessional btw) and perm bans her. Why would a "fair" GM follow mob rule? Even I, a memeber of Divine was extremely surprised she was actually perm banned. Then it was reduced. Another problem that arose from this is the fact taht a SubGM saw this happen. In fact, his request precipitated the dual client. What was done to him? Nothing really. Sure everyone saw that the SubGM's were demoted, but there is not one soul on deliverance that believes that they will not get the power back in a week or so. Marc also went as far as to imply that a SubGM's work for the server takes away from any punishment they would have to receive.
Just a week before this event, two of the guild leaders from a guild were banned because someone from their Internet Cafe went on their account and spammed few pm's. Were they given the the benefit of the doubt? No. Were they perm banned? Yes. Were they from CH? No.
Marc's original explanation for why Terri should not be banned was that she was simply exploiting a loophole taht was not clear. Again, please read what i noted about the SubGM's and GM's explicitly posted about dual clienting. However, a few months ago, certain players decided to throw routine bravado insults indirectly at Chrystal Horizon (A lot were just implied insults with the actual words being referred toward themselves). They were not even jailed, but muted, and placed in izlude where they had their save point, and allowed to be constantly pk-ed. One particular member, was muted and eventually banned due to simple guilt by association.(Where is the innocent until proven guilty in that?) Then, they were immediately perm banned for making characters on a second account while their primary was banned. That rule was never stated explicitly. Yet they were perm banned. On the forums, they were perm-banned before they could defend themselves, with one being banned just after he revealed a gm item had found its way to the hands of a regular player....
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/anna14la/patsgoodbye.jpg
Another situation involves Alex/Karushi, arguably the biggest donator to the server. He was perm banned for pk-ing in the arena. A rule that had been stated would lead to perm ban, with all precedents showing a per ban being the punishment. Yet, he was allowed back into the server, just a couple of months later. Could this be due to him and Marc being friends? As an izlude regular, Alex/Karushi didnt keep much back and openly bragged about his relationship with Marc and Jake at times. Why has his punishment arbitrarily reduced when others who begged to come back were rejected?
Its the dual standards that bother me.
As for Jake, Divine was the first guild to report him. There was never a reply. While, I admit a lot of some guilds got caught up in the mob effect, the basic facts remains the same. Was there favoritism present? You be the judge.
However, if this was deliverance, this would have been deleted long before. The "truth" simply cannot be handled apparently. I mean, is a secretive front really the best approach to showing innocence?
Finally a screenshot, got any more?
This is interesting /rice
Response from Crono?
I've played on Deli for over 2 years. Was awesome when I first started.
Then I began to notice things.
Started with Jake. Reported. Nothing happened. He left and I moved on.
Was good for a while, either that or I had my head up my butt.
But he came back. Then I noticed banned people were beginning to play. His gf had gotten banned for something but was back in game. Weird.
So I wasn't surprised to find out that he had been removed. I just thought it was about damn time.
But this latest incident made me sad. Maybe it was blown out of proportion some, but I know it was enough to make me quit along with 60-70 others. I just knew the rule that a sub gm stated back in Aug 2007 was really clear.
And as to Henhouse asking for a FCP in guild chat, well the screenie clearly shows he said it in public speak. I'm not denying he said it in guild chat also, but he walked right up to Karma and said FCP. Proof is in the screenie.
I was friends with 2 people who got perma banned. I'm not real sure as to why, but I've heard they were playing at a net cafe and stayed logged in and someone PMed people trying to sell some items for real money. They claimed to be innocent, but were banned.
Then I find out that a level 140 LK(max level is 140 so pretty Godly) is going to sell his account to a person we call Merc/Alex. Apparently he is a collector of level 140's. He says to my friend that the guild CH won't tell anyone. Now, this is a guild full of sub gms. Well this Merc/Alex person says he will pay this LK 350 dollars for his account. That seems illegal going on Deli's rules. And he knows it's illegal because he states that CH won't tell. So something doesn't add up there.
I took some screen shots of the conversations with the evidence. Some names are blocked to protect people.
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3091/copyofjoshsellingaccounbm9.png)
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4892/copyofraischat1mc6.png)
And in the case with the sub gm cheating, I believe it was @warpto he abused in going to ice 3. When I was allied with the guild CH, one WoE the guild leader was next to me and said something similar to, "Get ready for Hen to POOF". I was confused by that, but then realized it was some sub gm command. Henhouse then landed right on top of the CH guild leader. First time I ever saw the @warpto command. I probably should have reported it then since it was obviously abusing power, but I failed.
He abused his power only to get an advantage over another high wizard who was about to beat him to 140. My friend referred to it as a baseball player using steriods to beat a home run record. I found that fitting.
As long as you have players becoming sub gm's, people are always going to say they are corrupt. The temptation is there to cheat and they do.
Anyways, my two cents.
*Edit*
Just been informed it was @follow. So ignore the @warpto.
I wanna make driven's post a little bit more clear about one situation. The one where I and some friends got on another account, while our mains where banned. First of all the whole situation was handled poorly. I saw no report in the report section nor did anybody show us any proof we deserved our first banned. There was also mis info given by someone. In the topic with the screen shot Marc stated we got jailed before banned but it never happened. So after we felt our first ban unjust we made another account. Hell, a lot of people we know have done the same thing. So, We all got IP/perma banned, ALL of us...for playing on another account where it wasn't stated clearly in the rules. It wasn't in tell AFTER we were all IP banned did Marc look at the actual evidence and unbanned 3 people, who should have never been banned anyway with there little to no involvement. Where is the Innocent in tell proven guilty there? (Note I'm still IP and perma banned, someone stalked me and the other person and sent Marc 50 + screenshots with our conversations, it was mostly s*** talk yes..but MOST insults weren't directly said to anyone, just me and him talking). Eventually the rule was changed to you have to wait out your ban and not play on another account. Yet, a loophole but you don't see us with a reduced ban.
Also to note, my forum account was perma banned for no reason, just simply agreeing and posting in hot/fueled topic...I broke no forum rule though.
Now to the duel clienting thing again. There wouldn't have been an angry mob. Just Marc said he wasn't going to do anything because it was a loophole. That is what got people angry because they thought it was unfair and a clearly stated rule.
I hear people saying Henhouse said he wanted FCP in guild chat but...in the screen shots I'm about to post...he did not. He was there, He knows karmas characters how hard is to miss in a near empty arena waiting room? Also ,Marc said that WoE was not going on. It was said in one of the now deleted topics about it. It clearly states Divine took a castle in the screen shots, and even in the PM report the person said WoE was going on. Did he simply over look it or what? I mean what would you believe?
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screendeliverance1491ak6.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screendeliverance150fp8.jpg
Karma and cilantro are the same person, and Hen was there as you can see by the screen shots. Other people have been banned for buffing why not her? Also, I'm go on the limb and say she was duel clienting a little longer then 15 secs. IF she truly just logged on to give him the buff, why sit down? why not log off? Hell people have been banned for duel clienting while they were looking for stuff they were gonna trade. Where it says in the rules you can trade.
Its crap like this that make people wonder. Just many people are afraid to speak out.
Edit-fixed a few mistakes.
Wow, very good, I like the fact you guys are actually posting screenshots.
Now, I want to see Marc's response. If you have any more proof, keep it coming.O0
Yeah, I signed up so everyone knows who I am, because I'm not a coward, and I don't care what people say.
I won't lie, I've been watching all of this since this the beginning, participated in the argument, seen the situation from both sides, agreed with people the side I'm on didn't agree with, and all that silly jazz.
But what bothers me is when you veer off topic SO much that you bring into account a private player. Let me assure you, that is not what Alex said, because when he was asked, he said he did not say that, and I believe him. He is a respected member of the deliverance community and it seems as though bloodthirsty people will do anything to bring down a great server that can survive perfectly fine without them.
What I really want to say is, people who said they are leaving Deliverance, leave it. Leave it alone, do your own thing, because if you're still lurking around causing trouble, it just shows immaturity. You said you're leaving, you posted your reasons, move on. We're done with you, so you should be done with us, as well.
RockyBalbao's screenshots were pretty obviously faked.
Not only does the first message's posting name say "Hyper" (you can see the bottom), the poster's display name doesn't, implying the chat's just been copy-pasted into the window.
On the second one, the font and colour isn't Alex's, and the screenshot is covered with patchy white areas. The f*** indent on the left side is completely different to the way MSN messages actually look, you moron, you've obviously just pasted a block of text (poorly) into a blank window.
Whoever went to such lengths needs to stop whining, and start living. If you don't like the server, brilliant, GTFO and join somewhere else. It's a win-win situation; we don't have to listen to pathetic, jealous, petty little idiots complain because a free server providing them with thousands of hours of free entertainment isn't sculpted to be their ideal utopia, and you don't have to be here.
What on earth makes you think you have the right to dictate how a server should or should not be run? The guy who makes the rules decides whether they're broken or not. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. Oh pretty, pretty please.
I was going to try to stay out of this thread but it looks like some people just won't have that.
I find it particularly amusing how the font color of the person talking to "Josh" in the first "screen shot" is the same color as the ENTIRE "conversation" between "Alex" and "Josh".
I'd like to take this time to point out that my font color is red on MSN, not pink.
Word to the wise: When photo-shopping something with malicious intent, at least make it believable. With my help I'm sure you can come up with something more believably slanderous.
EDIT: OH, I had a great idea. Can the next photo shop you guys do include me talking to the president? Not Bush. I was thinking more along the lines of Lincoln or Washington.
Quote from: Antipathy on Jan 25, 2008, 04:46 AM
Whoever went to such lengths needs to stop whining, and start living. If you don't like the server, brilliant, GTFO and join somewhere else. It's a win-win situation; we don't have to listen to pathetic, jealous, petty little idiots complain because a free server providing them with thousands of hours of free entertainment isn't sculpted to be their ideal utopia, and you don't have to be here.
yup, we don't have to be here
Quote from: Antipathy on Jan 25, 2008, 04:46 AM
What on earth makes you think you have the right to dictate how a server should or should not be run? The guy who makes the rules decides whether they're broken or not. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. Oh pretty, pretty please.
no wonder we did
anyhow, even ignoring RockyBalbao's screen shot, there are still two very valid proof from Butters and the GM have yet to answer DrivenbyHate's post. Don't forget, these forum serves as a indicator of how good a server is, (not photoshop) it is for new comers to evaluate whether or not he/she should join that server.
Just a quick response to RockyBalboa's post, the screenshot clearly stated Crono bans all who oppose him.
I see no Divine or Paw banned after recent situations on forums.
Just a quick note to show it's not corruption right there.
Edit : You know, thinking about it, I would have done the same thing Marc did.
And I would have done it to the people badmouthing me. It's disrespect that isn't justified.
Just angry teens and one old dude.
Quote from: Reero on Jan 25, 2008, 05:10 AM
Quote from: Antipathy on Jan 25, 2008, 04:46 AM
Whoever went to such lengths needs to stop whining, and start living. If you don't like the server, brilliant, GTFO and join somewhere else. It's a win-win situation; we don't have to listen to pathetic, jealous, petty little idiots complain because a free server providing them with thousands of hours of free entertainment isn't sculpted to be their ideal utopia, and you don't have to be here.
yup, we don't have to be here
Quote from: Antipathy on Jan 25, 2008, 04:46 AM
What on earth makes you think you have the right to dictate how a server should or should not be run? The guy who makes the rules decides whether they're broken or not. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. Oh pretty, pretty please.
no wonder we did
anyhow, even ignoring RockyBalbao's screen shot, there are still two very valid proof from Butters and the GM have yet to answer DrivenbyHate's post.
I don't care what you think about myths of server corruption, as long as people don't go posting faked screenshots to try and frame an innocent person; that's just despicable.
Also, the fact that you think Crono has to answer you is amusing. What exactly is it you people imagine the admin of a free server owes you? The server would be far better off without the lot of you, I hope he doesn't explain himself so you can all stay pissed and play somewhere else.
People makes mistakes.
People get banned.
However, if people also show that they're capable of refraining from trouble, and makes one mistake, would you say it's unforgivable?
A person who stepped into a server for a week and breaks the rules. This shows his intelligence nearing the level of a potato. Yes, he will be ruthlessly banned.
A person who has played the server for over 2 years, helped countless people, become an integral part of the community breaks a rule. Does that exempt the person from punishment? No. But with the knowledge of her capability, leniency is shown because while potatoes come and go, good players are a rarer breed. Punishment is enacted, but on a lighter scale, since they are more capable than potatoes to realise their mistakes.
It's not called corruption. It's called human.
To hell with the OMGTHEREMUSTBEFAIRNESSMUST -insert extreme punishment- HER
because that'd only lead to OMGYUBANHERANDNOTHIMTOO
and a vicious cycle.
Deliverance had a guild called Crystal Horizon, which has undeniably the largest amount of extreme levelled characters, BLs and sub GMs in one guild. Naturally it would amount to respect, admiration, but also suspicion and envy from the rest of the population, with such a "powerhouse" around.
CH was in no wrong, neither was Divine or Paw Alliance. What they all had in common was strong bonds between guildmembers. Hence, when one person reported/flamed another of a different guild, all hell breaks loose.
Frankly, just try and forgive each other. History has taught us in more than one way what happens when politicians flame too much without learning tolerance and forgiveness.
Marc has more than sufficiently addressed the most serious issues of "corruptions" and answered many doubts, what I see happening now is people resorting to photoshopp'ed [EDIT] I was just told those ain't photoshopped. Those are MSpainted. meh.[/edit] screenies and still fanning flames where it has died out.
Please, people.
First of all, Raladon:
+1
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Okay, I have to admit I stopped reading at page 3, because it was just too ridiculus and not worth reading on.
We are all mature people, aren't we?
Why not turn off your pc for an hour or two, go outside and take a deep breath? =/
This is just a game and there are still many people left who enjoy dRO. It's not dead.
All of you act like little, imature children in a sandbox, throwing sand at each other. Seriously, grow up and think twice before posting. >:
Does it make you feel better when you can flame other people and „ruin“ a server? What kind of world do I live in? How sad.
Hold the phone. I never photoshopped any screenies. This person is friends with the LK who sold his account. She messaged me on msn all upset because our friends got banned and here Merc/Alex is clearly breaking the rules. So she copied and pasted their chat into mine. The best I can show you is our chat logs which I'm glad I saved. If you want I can provide the full screenie with me and Josh's chat if you like also.
There was no photoshopping done.
And to protect people, i've blocked things out.
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4098/123iz1.png)
*Edit*
Wow...that's tiny.
Quote from: RockyBalboa on Jan 25, 2008, 05:42 AM
I never photoshopped any screenies.
There was no photoshopping done.
And to protect people, i've blocked things out.
Funny that. You've never edited anything, except for, oh, when you edited them.
And the conversation shown was clearly copy-pasted trash, all it shows is one person saying "look at this" and then showing you supposed conversation copy-pasted in. That's very editable. The indent proves it, stop flogging a dead horse. Also, naming the "anonymous" chat image "Copy of Rai's Chat" wasn't so smart.
Edit: Who're you protecting, your computer clock?
Sage advice indeed, Raladon.
Rocky, I'm sorry your friends have been banned. I really am. I have not made but, I'm fairly certain, one reporting post since my having joined Deli when it started in 2005. I have no desire to hurt anyone and I never will. As someone who has seen many friends go you have my deepest sympathies.
While we share a common loss I ask you: Why do you feel the need to try and bring me down? Have I offended you? Have I, by simple station of guild, brought down the need for punishment on myself? I have felt jealous of many people on more than one occasion. I have been outraged on behalf of friends on even more. What I haven't done is attack someone personally with the hopes I can do away with them.
I suppose if you really are in this to hurt me than my efforts are wasted and I won't continue to discredit you any further. My only request is that I be the last. The founding days of deli, when people played in harmony with one another, should be more than just a memory. Only through cooperation and mutual understanding can we achieve harmony once again. Everyone should have the chance to relive that memory.
Faking conversations is very difficult. As demonstrated by this total real conversation someone sent me:
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg104/puffsultra343/stuff.jpg)
I'm not really in this to gain anything. s*** like this just amuses me. I haven't played this server in months and I'm not a fan of either side. But just f*** get over it and stop photoshopping. It's really easy to tell even from a neutral standpoint.
I was protecting Rai, Ana. Sadly, I should have protected her better...
I was protecting her from people like you who say things about her on msn like..."Go die in a fire Rai-chan".
And my clock could indicate my time zone, therefor I hide it.
He cheated, you know it, and you are covering for him. Period. Josh said it in our chat.
As much as I love arguing over the internet(sarcasm), I will have to wait until tomorrow. I should sleep.
Until tomorrow.
Quote from: Kikadper on Jan 25, 2008, 04:43 AM
What I really want to say is, people who said they are leaving Deliverance, leave it. Leave it alone, do your own thing, because if you're still lurking around causing trouble, it just shows immaturity. You said you're leaving, you posted your reasons, move on. We're done with you, so you should be done with us, as well.
He can post to report it, it is server discussion for a reason.
Quote from: Antipathy on Jan 25, 2008, 04:46 AM
RockyBalbao's screenshots were pretty obviously faked.
Not only does the first message's posting name say "Hyper" (you can see the bottom), the poster's display name doesn't, implying the chat's just been copy-pasted into the window.mind pointing that out in a red circle? I don't see that anywhere.
On the second one, the font and colour isn't Alex's, and the screenshot is covered with patchy white areas. The f*** indent on the left side is completely different to the way MSN messages actually look, you moron, you've obviously just pasted a block of text (poorly) into a blank window.1. People modify msn, I modify my own. 2. People can modify their text size, color, and font.
Whoever went to such lengths needs to stop whining, and start living. If you don't like the server, brilliant, GTFO and join somewhere else. It's a win-win situation; we don't have to listen to pathetic, jealous, petty little idiots complain because a free server providing them with thousands of hours of free entertainment isn't sculpted to be their ideal utopia, and you don't have to be here.
You don't have to reply, they can post all they want. So if anyone needs to 'GTFO', that would be you.
What on earth makes you think you have the right to dictate how a server should or should not be run? The guy who makes the rules decides whether they're broken or not. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. Oh pretty, pretty please.
A server that goes against it's own rules? They can say they didn't break them all they want. If you don't like this topic, you can leave, it's as simple as a 2-key combination. Alt+F4
Quote from: Merc on Jan 25, 2008, 04:48 AM
I was going to try to stay out of this thread but it looks like some people just won't have that.
No one said you had to stay in or out, or even look at this topic.
I find it particularly amusing how the font color of the person talking to "Josh" in the first "screen shot" is the same color as the ENTIRE "conversation" between "Alex" and "Josh".
I'd like to take this time to point out that my font color is red on MSN, not pink.
Not saying you did say that, but you can change every little thing about text and how it is displayed on msn, even override the other user's fonts. I have seen a couple of programs a while back that did that, maybe a year ago.
Quote from: Kikadper on Jan 25, 2008, 05:17 AM
You know, thinking about it, I would have done the same thing Marc did.
And I would have done it to the people badmouthing me. It's disrespect that isn't justified.
If you don't like people saying negative things about you, then you need to cut yourself off from society and humanity. People will say negative things all they want about you, it doesn't matter if it is disrespectful, they aren't hurting you with their words are they?
Just angry teens and one old dude.
Quote from: Antipathy on Jan 25, 2008, 05:22 AM
I don't care what you think about myths of server corruption, as long as people don't go posting faked screenshots to try and frame an innocent person; that's just despicable. If they are fake, then ignore them, simply post that they are fake, and give actual proof, not words.
Also, the fact that you think Crono has to answer you is amusing. What exactly is it you people imagine the admin of a free server owes you? The server would be far better off without the lot of you, I hope he doesn't explain himself so you can all stay pissed and play somewhere else.He doesn't have to answer anyone, he could drop the server and do as he pleases. However, those things called donations, umm...yeah, that is what keeps the server up, so he may want to keep justify his actions and show proof of how the others are lying and showing how they are lying. No one is pissed here, lol, the last few posters have been using foul language, that is a main sign of irritation. Just for the record, most of the people who posted about the server do play another server.
Don't take this as me being against anyone, this is just the simple facts, and if you want to post with an attitude, I can post the same way, without using foul language.Quote from: Antipathy on Jan 25, 2008, 05:46 AM
Quote from: RockyBalboa on Jan 25, 2008, 05:42 AM
I never photoshopped any screenies.
There was no photoshopping done.
And to protect people, i've blocked things out.
Funny that. You've never edited anything, except for, oh, when you edited them.
You know what he means, don't try twisting one's words around to make them what they are not.
And the conversation shown was clearly copy-pasted trash, all it shows is one person saying "look at this" and then showing you supposed conversation copy-pasted in. That's very editable. The indent proves it, stop flogging a dead horse. Also, naming the "anonymous" chat image "Copy of Rai's Chat" wasn't so smart.
1. where do you see that. 2. people make copies a lot. I make copies as backups.
Edit: Who're you protecting, your computer clock?
I personally use programs that I don't want people seeing, and for good reason. Firewalls, antivirus clients, network mods, stuff like that. This person could have just been looking at porn, or using a p2p program.
@Lara, at 6 AM in the morning? No air for me ;<
@Puff, please remove your profanity before you get warned. Specifically 'Sh*t' and 'F*cking'
@Rocky, why would you cover your timezone?
Quote from: Antipathy on Jan 25, 2008, 04:46 AM
RockyBalbao's screenshots were pretty obviously faked.
Not only does the first message's posting name say "Hyper" (you can see the bottom), the poster's display name doesn't, implying the chat's just been copy-pasted into the window.mind pointing that out in a red circle? I don't see that anywhere.
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6015/loglc7.jpg)
Look at the top arrow. You can see the bottom of the letters of the chat-name, and it looks like the bottom of the word "Hyper", this makes sense considering it's Josh's character. Look at the second arrow, Josh is using the display name "Josh". The blacked-out display name isn't long enough (see the top arrow) to be the one blocked out in the screenshots. The display name at the top (first arrow) is always the display name in the window of the person sending the IM in MSN.
QuoteOn the second one, the font and colour isn't Alex's, and the screenshot is covered with patchy white areas. The f*** indent on the left side is completely different to the way MSN messages actually look, you moron, you've obviously just pasted a block of text (poorly) into a blank window.1. People modify msn, I modify my own. 2. People can modify their text size, color, and font.
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4892/copyofraischat1mc6.png)
When you look at an ordinary MSN window, the text that you type and send is indented on the left-hand side. The display name, however, isn't, as you can see in the first screenshot. In the second (posted above), all of the text is the same font face and colour for both parties, which would only happen if both parties strangely were using purple Comic Sans. Only the font size for both parties is controlled by one user.
This, and the last one he just posted, prove that this "log" is actually just a screenshot taken of one person copy-pasting text into the window and pushing enter -
not a screenshot of an actual IM taking place. The copy-pasted text was typed into the ordinary text area and sent, and thus could have been fabricated entirely or edited just for fun.
QuoteWhoever went to such lengths needs to stop whining, and start living. If you don't like the server, brilliant, GTFO and join somewhere else. It's a win-win situation; we don't have to listen to pathetic, jealous, petty little idiots complain because a free server providing them with thousands of hours of free entertainment isn't sculpted to be their ideal utopia, and you don't have to be here.
You don't have to reply, they can post all they want. So if anyone needs to 'GTFO', that would be you.
They haven't just been posting here; they've been posting on the server forums, on other server forums, and in guild forums. You'd think with the amount of energy expended complaining about one server they could find another and move on.
QuoteWhat on earth makes you think you have the right to dictate how a server should or should not be run? The guy who makes the rules decides whether they're broken or not. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. Oh pretty, pretty please.
A server that goes against it's own rules? They can say they didn't break them all they want. If you don't like this topic, you can leave, it's as simple as a 2-key combination. Alt+F4
They didn't go against the rules. Marc wrote the rule and thus he is the one best qualified to determine its clarity, loopholes, intention and application. Furthermore, the people complaining were demanding that Terri be punished for the supposed rule-breaking
more harshly than a member who wasn't in CH and the victim of a witch-hunt would ordinarily have been.
Quote from: Merc on Jan 25, 2008, 04:48 AM
I was going to try to stay out of this thread but it looks like some people just won't have that.
No one said you had to stay in or out, or even look at this topic.
Well, people were fabricating screenshots and accusing him of rulebreaking, I'd say that deserved a look-in.
QuoteI find it particularly amusing how the font color of the person talking to "Josh" in the first "screen shot" is the same color as the ENTIRE "conversation" between "Alex" and "Josh".
I'd like to take this time to point out that my font color is red on MSN, not pink.
Not saying you did say that, but you can change every little thing about text and how it is displayed on msn, even override the other user's fonts. I have seen a couple of programs a while back that did that, maybe a year ago.
This is true, other IM clients do that. However, the person is clearly using MSN as you can see from the windows. Also, the indent could not be changed, and his last screenshot shows that Rai was just copy-pasting directly into the chatbox.
Quote from: Antipathy on Jan 25, 2008, 05:22 AM
I don't care what you think about myths of server corruption, as long as people don't go posting faked screenshots to try and frame an innocent person; that's just despicable. If they are fake, then ignore them, simply post that they are fake, and give actual proof, not words.
The words should have been obvious enough, I pointed out what was wrong with the images. Simple observation should suffice. In any case, there's more coherent proof^
QuoteAlso, the fact that you think Crono has to answer you is amusing. What exactly is it you people imagine the admin of a free server owes you? The server would be far better off without the lot of you, I hope he doesn't explain himself so you can all stay pissed and play somewhere else.He doesn't have to answer anyone, he could drop the server and do as he pleases. However, those things called donations, umm...yeah, that is what keeps the server up, so he may want to keep justify his actions and show proof of how the others are lying and showing how they are lying. No one is pissed here, lol, the last few posters have been using foul language, that is a main sign of irritation. Just for the record, most of the people who posted about the server do play another server.
Don't take this as me being against anyone, this is just the simple facts, and if you want to post with an attitude, I can post the same way, without using foul language.
I tend to get an "attitude" when I see someone trying to set up a friend for no good reason and get them in trouble on a server they actually
like to play. The people demanding proof are the ones who have no intention of playing on the server, so Marc owes them no such explanation.
The only allegation which had any proof behind it led Marc to demoting his good friend and co-Admin, the only other person who could help out with the bulk of the server work he's laden with. He should be praised for acting on the evidence when it arrived, not penalised.
Quote from: Antipathy on Jan 25, 2008, 05:46 AM
Quote from: RockyBalboa on Jan 25, 2008, 05:42 AM
I never photoshopped any screenies.
There was no photoshopping done.
And to protect people, i've blocked things out.
Funny that. You've never edited anything, except for, oh, when you edited them.
You know what he means, don't try twisting one's words around to make them what they are not.
And the conversation shown was clearly copy-pasted trash, all it shows is one person saying "look at this" and then showing you supposed conversation copy-pasted in. That's very editable. The indent proves it, stop flogging a dead horse. Also, naming the "anonymous" chat image "Copy of Rai's Chat" wasn't so smart.
1. where do you see that. 2. people make copies a lot. I make copies as backups.
1. It's the name of the image, save it, or look at the link. http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4892/
copyofraischat1mc6.png
2. I don't care about the "copy" part, I was pointing out the fact that he named the person who gave him the text in the filename, despite going to lengths to keep it anonymous.
I believe it doesn't have to do with maturity, no matter the person's age/maturity level, emotion and conviction to stand his ground can affect his logic/reasoning.
What I plead everyone to do is to think about this:
If you're accusing something, what do you hope to achieve? That the truth be exposed, tyrants overthrown, conspiracies revealed, world peace? No, you're just pointlessly blowing every crack and nook in the server, and harming a few hundred other players who have nothing to do with this other than to enjoy a server whose flaws does not affect them.
If you're defending something, what do you hope to achieve? That the instigator of said accusations would admit defeat, and change sides? Ideal, but unfortunately, utopian. What you can do, instead, is not become one of them in turning around and accusing them back of their own mistakes. Point out their inaccuracies objectively, not insult and flame. You'll find it wonderously effective.
I love deliverance. While it has it's flaws, so does every server. What we should appreciate is that there is actions to reduce or eliminate them. As long as that exists, I'll still love it. And I'm not alone.
Agreed, Raladon.
I apologize to everyone for not posting with a more objective mindset. I was upset at the accusation against me and posted in haste.
I will go to Josh for a testimonial and have him provide evidence of my innocence. Fabrication or truth will be, as always, up to the reader to decide. If I come across more concrete evidence I will be sure to post it.
Live and let live.
Deliverance has its flaws, but which single mortal object doesn't?
Crono has evaluated the situation, and he has done the best that he can to salvage it. Some things could be handled via alternative methods, but in such circumstances I believe that he has done the most that he could. And I respect him for that. He has cleared all charges of being corrupt, and has, in fact, proven himself to be a mature, understanding person, his actions a far cry from the behaviour of what I've seen till now.
Jake may have made mistakes, that still leaves him as a human being. Whatever happens between Crono and Jake stays between them.
Terri wasn't gaining anything from that dual-client, nor did Sharu. There is no need to continue with this matter anymore- Those guilty were punished. The end.
No one except those three have a say on the relationship that they had with each other, that being Melody, Sharu and Jake.
The benefit of the doubt has been given to Merc. I do not believe that Alex would buy an account from Hyper. Hyper just happened to give his account to him, it's that simple. As said, innocent until proven guilty.
DK, if you are in fact NoS on this forum, I'm very disappointed that you have escalated this simple matter into a feeding frenzy for idiots like Zone. I understand the need for you to rant about these, but these are very insignificant, petty issues. You're a great guy, and I know you're above these kind of actions.
MoonlightShadow, you're simply absurd.
RockyBalboa's posts were obviously meant to spite and cause trouble, albeit a failed attempt. Whether it was photo-shopped/painted or not, there could very well be no way of answering that since technology has improved vastly ever since. Even if this chat-log is indeed "genuine", it does not prove to incriminate Alex, unless you have a picture of him passing money to Pado via -any- method, in exchange for the account. Innocent before proven guilty.
This is not to say that this endless assault of flames was unjustified. It was merely an ember that burnt far too bright and strong due to the last straw being set upon it. All these while, it has been fueled by envy, ignorance, and immaturity.
All these said, I beseech you people to think about what has happened, and what has been done. What would you have done if you were in the shoes of -any- of the ones related to this fiasco?
Accusations being thrown back and forth, insults and flames fueling this never-ending feud. To those who still aren't satisfied with the decisions made, what is it you want?
What is it you want?
Let's find a way to resolve this and end this all, before this fire spreads.
We certainly aren't using the fire escape this time.
Dawn.
(http://i26.tinypic.com/2emmsk4.jpg)
One modified client.
See, the emoticon? No indent.
See also the area where 'hyper' should be on mine.
That is a quote area.
Like I said earlier, if they are fake in your eyes, then simply say it and leave the topic as it is.
I personally don't give a damn about that server, I just want there to be truth, and I will put out facts an my opinions where necessary.
No one says you have to look in the topic, so if you do it, that is your own choice, no one else's. They can still post.
If they are posting in other forums, good for them, you don't have to look there either. If they are breaking rules there, report them.
Well, I've washed my hands of the chaos.
I've given the account back to Josh. If you need proof - ask him. If you need proof that I never paid him a dime - ask him.
No one is being fooled by your attempts at objective evaluation, Zone. While your approach is noble it is very obvious where your biases lie. FYI - Saying you don't give a damn generally is a good indicator you do.
I'll leave you all to your drama-mongering now.
I would like to hear a testimonial from Josh after he recieves the money. The person who had the conversation with him, is his friend irl, and Josh would have no reason to lie to her. [Apprently since he isnt selling now, i would still like to hear from him]
Even without that, I still would like an explanation for my point about the dual standards present on deli and regarding what Butters posted.
Honestly, if you are not making any points and simply flaming here? Personal shots here accomplish little. Why even post here? Intelligent discussion please D:
Quote from: Merc on Jan 25, 2008, 04:21 PM
Well, I've washed my hands of the chaos.
I've given the account back to Josh. If you need proof - ask him. If you need proof that I never paid him a dime - ask him.
No one is being fooled by your attempts at objective evaluation, Zone. While your approach is noble it is very obvious where your biases lie. FYI - Saying you don't give a damn generally is a good indicator you do.
Where are my biases then? I don't give a damn about the server, look at my servers on the left, I quit RO entirely. This is just a place to help, and be entertained for me. Some places I am just getting entertained, rather than helping. I point out where there are loop holes for a reason, because everyone leaves out the possibility of those certain cases.
I'll leave you all to your drama-mongering now.
uh, Hi...
I am the girl who deserves to die in a fire.
I honestly didn't post here before, and no, there's no reason to hide my name. I love how people can be so childish to post here there's no reason to hate and do the opposite on msn/ro right Ana?. Is sad to tell I admire those people and I even tried to do the things the more secretive way only for not turning this into a flame war. I don't hate anyone but I get mad when things like this happens, yeah people, Crono made a good work with the server and I am grateful with that, I am guilty of donating a lot and I don't regret it, I still have fun with my char and I am expecting to keep doing it, I have not breaking any rule so I'm not afraid.
And sorry... because I don't like people calling me cheater, Josh was not Lying. He doesn't have to, and sure, Alex gave Hyper his account back.
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5909/lie2uu0.jpg)
(http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9291/lie3gy5.jpg)
(http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2647/lie4ir4.jpg)
I received the same chat, except a saved version that opened in Word.
QuoteAlex sent 1/25/2008 4:00 AM:
Josh
Alex sent 1/25/2008 4:00 AM:
someone posted a "conversation" bewteen you and I
Alex sent 1/25/2008 4:00 AM:
saying I was paying you for your account
Alex sent 1/25/2008 4:00 AM:
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php/topic,3241.120.html
Alex sent 1/25/2008 4:00 AM:
You and I both know that's a lie
Alex sent 1/25/2008 4:00 AM:
but it's dragging my name through the mud
Alex sent 1/25/2008 4:01 AM:
Lemme know when you get this so we can talk
Alex sent 1/25/2008 4:01 AM:
*sigh*
Alex says:
Josh
Alex says:
need to talk
Alex says:
lemme know when you are there
Josh says:
You paying me yet?
Alex says:
Dude
Alex says:
did you even get any of the stuff I sent you
Josh says:
Seems like
Josh says:
I don't really care, thats fkn behind me
Alex says:
someone doesn't like you or me
Josh says:
lol
Alex says:
well I care dude
Alex says:
it's hurting me
Josh says:
=[
Alex says:
that's why I told you not to talk to anyone about it
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because someone was petty enough
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to actually go and do something like that
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I mean it's not THAT bad since they can't prove anything
Alex says:
I mean
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no one can prove I paid you for the account
Alex says:
but it's still not cool seeing stuff like that
Josh says:
It's been that way since you got pado and cuong
Josh says:
o.o
Josh says:
Everyone, or a majority had that thought
Alex says:
But no one ever posted a "conversation"
Alex says:
with you saying I was giving you
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250$
Josh says:
lol
Alex says:
350*
Alex says:
Look
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here's the deal
Alex says:
deal still goes through
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but if anyone asks
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you gave it to me
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ok?
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I'm getting screwed right now
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I know you don't care
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but I do
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so please do me that solid
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you there?
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I need your word on this
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otherwise I just want to give you the account back and be done with it
Alex says:
I don't like people throwing around all these accusations
Josh says:
I think I'll take my account back, then.
Josh says:
I rather give people s*** in game, than to keep waiting and get further in the drama
Alex says:
I understand
Josh says:
Get my stuff back how it was please =\
Alex says:
Can do
Alex says:
gimmie a sec
Josh says:
1 meg, gtb, tao, incant, dop, sleip...all my lk gear
Josh says:
Forgot what else
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Cuz if things go the way they are, we're both banned.
Alex says:
I agree dude
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better to just wash it clean
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I'm sorry I got you into this mess
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I need to know exactly what was on the account, though
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I can't remember specifically
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meg
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gtb
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tao
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incant
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dop
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sleip
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what else?
Josh says:
butt load of lites
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like 3 glasses, 3 max phar, 2 ulles
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maya purp
Alex says:
gotta write this down
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one sec
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how many pikes did you have
Josh says:
1?
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and did you have any katanas
Josh says:
+10 dop, incant, hydras
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No
Alex says:
ok
Josh says:
GR in a +6 full plate?
Josh says:
tao in a mink i think
Alex says:
aight
Alex says:
most of it is still on there
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need a sec to get the others
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3 glasses
Josh says:
2 ulles..
Josh says:
the phar and maya were in them or somethng
Alex says:
was one of the max phar maya p in it?
Josh says:
yeah
Alex says:
oh ok
Alex says:
what was in the glasses
Josh says:
max phar, maya..
Alex says:
just max phar?
Josh says:
i think a phar in a ulles
Alex says:
alright
Alex says:
was one of the glass a blue cubic?
Josh says:
i think so
Josh says:
lol
Alex says:
ok lol
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brb
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did you have a valk helm on there?
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lol
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I can't remember what I put on there
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and what was yours
Josh says:
no
Josh says:
lol
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No valk
Josh says:
my lk had uh..
Alex says:
aight
Josh says:
+8 crimson with aliot?
Josh says:
hm
Alex says:
yah
Alex says:
still there
Josh says:
sleip
Alex says:
yup
Josh says:
i had a +9 boots with firelock
Alex says:
yah
Josh says:
+8 cranial shield
Josh says:
+6 gr plate
Josh says:
+ something,... gemmed sallet max phar
Josh says:
Arctic wings
Josh says:
and like 3 other?
Josh says:
i forget what wings i gave away first
Josh says:
lol
Alex says:
I've got practically everything
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best thing to do
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let you get on
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look at it
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tell me if you see anything missing
Josh says:
Let me then
Josh says:
lol
Alex says:
sec
Alex says:
transfering some s***
Josh says:
I'll help xfer
Josh says:
Im not one to try to trick anyone
Josh says:
hell i dont even play
Alex says:
oh
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well it's cool
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someone is already doing it
Josh says:
lol
Alex says:
appreciate it though
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this garm yours?
Josh says:
Oo
Josh says:
no
Alex says:
k
Josh says:
I've never owned a garm
Josh says:
lol
Alex says:
aight
Alex says:
lemme change your password back
Josh says:
heh
Alex says:
what do you want the pass changed to?
Josh says:
qwerty?
Alex says:
kk
Josh says:
ill change it
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lol
Josh says:
after
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alrighty
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you can get on now
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take a look see if you are missing anything
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or if I left anything haha
Josh says:
lol
Alex says:
*-*
Josh says:
*-*
Alex says:
*eats popcorn*
o.o
And so more 'proof'.
Popcorn? This is not a stupid movie. =/
How mad can one be enjoying other people's problems?
You've often said that you don't care about dRO, so why care about this topic?
(Btw. I think you might need some air now?)
I am Hyper from aforementioned posts.
All the chats posted about me are correct, there have been no forgeries.
I have not recieved any payment from him whatsoever.
I am in possesion of my account and of course the password was changed. :P
Make of it what you will.
I am not one to keep secrets or try to twist things in anyone's favor.
IrTehGuildLeaderofPaw
ok, umm first off I was borrowing the thanatos card from melody who lended it to me while she was away for personal reasons. While I had access to it, only person I lended it to after constant nagging and under the assumption he asked permission from melody(which I have no memory of at this point) was the focal point of everyone's judgement based on the accusation of Jake letting paw members using the thanatos to level: Akra. Outside of him, no one else was using it to level. Everyone else, I told them no since it was not mine to claim.
about paw and divine getting banned for badmouthing crono?: 1st off, if I really wanted to mouth off on crono, I would of done so 2 years ago. I played on deli for almost 2 years, and I seen my fair share of things that were overlooked and favors done by sub gms and gms at both different and at the same times.
I hold Crono in the highest respect, but sometimes things happen. Only thing I would like see done about the sub-gms is making an entire seperate account that they cannot join any guild in unless it's by themselves. I like alot of the people in CH outside a few, but just because Paw was the biggest opponent for them we always end up fighting in the end.
However, I didn't really care since it didn't affect me one bit up until Jake/Clair/Henhouse joined my guild on their legit which led to problems all over the place for us and we were recieving the brunt of the insults badmouthing targetting and whatnots. Everything you can think of, we were put through it. But we worked through it and still kept playing even amongst the bickering.
I didn't report this, due to I had respect for this person: PaDo! abusing @warpto in ggd with his soul linker killing my guildmates. I tried getting some hard evidence to no avail.
next, atleast 8 people I know/talked to have came upto me about Stay Frosty always killstealing them in Ice Dungeon. Also, tried to get some hard evidence to no avail.
Im not going to deny anything that has happened so far in deli, since I was not paying attention up until I started to lead my own guild along with a few friends. Yes it did happen or it may not of happen, but f*** I gave up and left the server. I only use the forums to get links to another site since I always forget it lol.
Why are you guys obsessed with drama? Shouldn't you guys be rooting for Obama? Pointless internet arguments bear no fruit. Pointless screenshots bear no truth. Flaming rubs against the forum contract. Looks like some of you need some herbal extract. Ten brave young men march into a flaming topic. Oh god, somebody needs to pop, lock and drop it.