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Title: Debbie is dead?
Post by: hex_zerg on Feb 25, 2007, 08:54 AM
Does this mean there will be balance on AnimaRo?
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Magnus the Exorcist on Feb 25, 2007, 09:08 AM
in my opinion:

balance = no
wipe = yes

or some way to make ppl donate more n more

*i really dont belive on it since we have many GMs using many diff names... until someone prove it i think soon we will have a "Zebbie" or "Kamemi" GM*
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Emeralda on Feb 25, 2007, 09:13 AM
There will be none of these. The server will go on as usual. And seeing the reliability of GMs I doubt they told the truth this time as well. The chances he really died are less than 20%. Most likely because of some much bad stuff being revealed about 'Debbie' he decided to kill 'it'. If taht would be the case there will be most likely a 'new' GM created soon or he will take place of some old one. Especially that the remaining two sites lead by him are still functional this seems the case.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Magnus the Exorcist on Feb 25, 2007, 09:22 AM
btw some1 have "debbie's" pics?

im looking for it...  want to see how Pmak n other GMs looks like =P
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: hex_zerg on Feb 25, 2007, 09:53 AM
Quote from: Magnus the Exorcist on Feb 25, 2007, 09:08 AM
in my opinion:

balance = no
wipe = yes

or some way to make ppl donate more n more

*i really dont belive on it since we have many GMs using many diff names... until someone prove it i think soon we will have a "Zebbie" or "Kamemi" GM*
I do believe he isn't dead. And that they will bring in a new GM with that name. :D They raise the prices everyday now it seems.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: hex_zerg on Feb 25, 2007, 10:17 AM
http://jobs.freshmeat.net/job/ea1929f8b2342c7b11fbee60dec4671b/?d=1

Just look at that. Philp says its a business!
Posted on: February 25, 2007, 11:07:41 AM
http://jobs.freshmeat.net/job/ea1929f8b2342c7b11fbee60dec4671b/?d=1

All I have to say.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: laecertus on Feb 25, 2007, 01:46 PM
he ain t dead <_< and soon a new gm will take place in the scene
OR A better turn of events
he will make a normal player account on forum :) or just play ;p with lame equips lol
and im sure they will say ''In order to let anima live we need more donations therefor the donation price will go UP <_<
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Krystalx on Feb 25, 2007, 04:43 PM
I dont like aRO but some1 who lives 200 miles away from debbie confirmed it, he was in the newspaper.
So it's true, debbie is dead.
Even if he banned us and didnt like us, scammed a lot of people and all the crap .... he was still a person and should be treated as such.
R.I.P.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: yC on Feb 25, 2007, 05:41 PM
Quote from: Krystalx on Feb 25, 2007, 04:43 PM
I dont like aRO but some1 who lives 200 miles away from debbie confirmed it, he was in the newspaper.
So it's true, debbie is dead.
Even if he banned us and didnt like us, scammed a lot of people and all the crap .... he was still a person and should be treated as such.
R.I.P.

was he/she in the newspaper as debbie or philip mak? hmm i am a skeptical about internet death. Can't blame me, it's the internet.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Feb 25, 2007, 07:37 PM
St. Serenity, Finally you got rid of that horrid site from your sig, I thank you.

She is dead, before her death 2 minor GMs joined and her family has agreed to host the server still until someone new takes over or until the other GM's can find a new home for AnimaRO. Harken has now become to new owner of animaRO.

R.I.P Debbie.

You will be remembered as the saviour who turned a server from the ways of pure evil and on the road to recovery despite the massive obstacles in your way, truly gifted she was.

EDIT: St. Serenity, if you truly did care you would try to make things right.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Feb 26, 2007, 02:06 AM
Well, Harken has taken over offical as head GM, so i dobt the authenticity of that link, true or not before GM debbie died 2 Minor GMs recently joined.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: laecertus on Feb 26, 2007, 07:37 AM
im still like Yc lol <_<
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Krystalx on Feb 26, 2007, 08:42 AM
Quote from: yC on Feb 25, 2007, 05:41 PM
Quote from: Krystalx on Feb 25, 2007, 04:43 PM
I dont like aRO but some1 who lives 200 miles away from debbie confirmed it, he was in the newspaper.
So it's true, debbie is dead.
Even if he banned us and didnt like us, scammed a lot of people and all the crap .... he was still a person and should be treated as such.
R.I.P.

was he/she in the newspaper as debbie or philip mak? hmm i am a skeptical about internet death. Can't blame me, it's the internet.
No idea, I just saw that in other server's forums and I trust the one who said it (he's never lied before) + some other people who know him IRL confirmed it.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: laecertus on Feb 26, 2007, 12:01 PM
D;< pwned! that links get s it all lol <_<
business my donkey <_<
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: poringmonger on Feb 26, 2007, 02:14 PM
Mods: Please feel free to eat this post if needed. I realize this could erupt, but I'd like to provoke some thought. (:

If Philip Mak has passed away, it's good that gracious gestures are being made by opponents of his server. That's only right.

However, please forgive this old woman a moment of Jewish rudeness: death does not excuse. Please do not forget his actions, positive or negative, because he is gone. I never played AnimaRO; I can only gather from the output on these forums that something was wrong in his method of doing business. Please don't assume that he has somehow become a better person through fatal self-neglect. Were he alive, his business would be continuing as usual. So yes, please call momentary cease-fires out of respect for a human who's passed away, but please don't stop honest discussion of an issue because a key player is gone. Forgetting causes repetition. If Christy passed away today, and in my sympathy I told myself that iRO wasn't really so bad, I'd go right back into that abusive hole. I wouldn't want to see anybody go back to any situation which they left for their own sanity, thinking it's the necessary and respectful thing to do. It's not. His passing does not indebt any of us to him in any way beyond basic respect for the dead. In short: if you left AnimaRO, please don't let yourself be guilt-tripped into returning.

BTW, I'm actually trying to be gracious. ^^; When I tell my husband that one of the purported minds behind OpenKore has passed away, he'll cheer aloud.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: yC on Feb 26, 2007, 06:12 PM
Honestly i have to agree with poringmonger, but that might upset a few ppl here i understand.

just look at hilter or saddam or all those bad guys in history ... there are ppl that still play their respect as well as ppl that still disgusted by their actions.  It depends who you are to make that dicision.  We shouldn't force ppl to play their respect for any reason, respect are gained when someone did something that you feel they deserve your respect.  In the same way, if someone did something very wrong in your logic, you will be disgusted by that person. 

So yea i guess you know which side i stands now since the person in question did nothing to gain my respect plus i have been reading alot of negative 'rumors' about the server in question.

As for debbie's tragedy, imho her/his death should be meaningless to sites like animarotruth.com or serenity's site.  Those are sites that reveal the truth, help ppl decide if they should play that server or not, if you allow me to put the word in a bad way, i'd say those sites are there to attempt to 'bring down animaro'.  So, the goal is clear.  Then, they should stay to their goals and not be affected by one's fallen.   Just like in wars, you don't stop just because an important general died, you stop when you win the war.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Feb 26, 2007, 07:50 PM
some wars sides have given up because theri most important general died, sometimes the people look towards him then the actual leader himself.

and why are people trying toi amends things after debbies death. if she had not died everything would still continue as they where and it would make no difference.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: AceJay on Feb 26, 2007, 11:21 PM
Hmm..drama..

I do not like this comparing Debbie/Pmak to Hitler. Maybe if WoE was real, then it would be different, but seriously, it's a GAME. Who gives a f*ck if you waste a few bucks donating to pay salary? Who cares if you lose WoE due to corruption and botting on the GM team? I don't see this kind of s*** sprouting up from people in LEGAL, PAID, online games, such as XboxLive, where someone could easily use hacks to their advantage.

Seriously though, let's not care about the whole Philip Mak or OpenKore or any of this s*** controversy/facts. Get back to playing your servers. There will ALWAYS be corruption and botting and these things, no matter what.

MMORPGs will take your money no watter what.

And you know what? I might just donate 100 bucks. Let it go towards GM salaries. See if I give a f*ck.

-AceJay

Edit: lol, filterowned.

Also, obviously, the server is not perfect, especially with it being Aegis and all. I do have MANY problems with the server, but I will never find a better place. EVER.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Dark_Raven on Feb 27, 2007, 08:09 AM
Anyway if Debbie/PMak indeed is dead, you have to respect him. By no means you can compare him to Hitler. As For Saddam goes - I did not like way he was executed.

Pmak made a server to play. In every right he had a right to make floats for himself.He wroked hard for it. He died due to work stress. And donations were not forced on people. I am an aRO player. I dont like Harken like many others , but I was never jealous of the Donators. Its the recent fact that AD prices went up like Rabbit birth rate. I had to quit the server. Besides the Lag torments me. Every RO server out there has donations in some form or another. And the Fact doesnt change aRO has a whopping 2400 players at WoE times. No other Private server is even close to the half of this. 2400 is more then a few official RO servers as well.

Please people , Give Debbie respects. Let bygones be Bygones. He/She was hard working person and a great programmer.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: poringmonger on Feb 27, 2007, 11:01 AM
Quote from: St. Serenity on Feb 26, 2007, 10:45 PMYou can't silence the truth- Windsong is a prime example of that, and she continues to lead the war against Anima's corruption. I do support spreading the truth, but I'm done taking part in it.
Understood. Your decision is respectable, although I probably wouldn't choose the same path.

Quote from: AceJay on Feb 26, 2007, 11:21 PM
And you know what? I might just donate 100 bucks. Let it go towards GM salaries. See if I give a f*ck.
Understood. Your decision is respectable, although I probably wouldn't choose the same path.

Quote from: AceJay on Feb 26, 2007, 11:21 PM
I don't see this kind of s*** sprouting up from people in LEGAL, PAID, online games, such as XboxLive, where someone could easily use hacks to their advantage.
"Official" servers? I can't agree; there are gripes and rants about most commercial games, what people need fixed, what seems unfair, or in the worst case, why they left. For example, Slashdot has a small treasure trove of complaints about WoW. People will complain about poor service. Unfortunately, they won't always vote with their wallets.

Quote from: AceJay on Feb 26, 2007, 11:21 PM
Seriously though, let's not care about the whole Philip Mak or OpenKore or any of this s*** controversy/facts. Get back to playing your servers. There will ALWAYS be corruption and botting and these things, no matter what.

MMORPGs will take your money no watter what.
Possibly. But we do have a right, maybe a duty, to not put up with it. If a purchase doesn't work for you, the very best thing you can do is to jump from it. When we give money for a product, we are saying that we approve of it, and we'll continue to buy it just the way it is. Only when we don't give our money out will the producer see that we find something unacceptable. The producer will have no reason to improve the product if it already sells well. Buyers are supposed to hold the power in capitalism, but we're being conditioned to think that we have no choice and "have to" settle for things that don't meet our needs. But we don't, we can pick another product or do it ourselves - and isn't that what private servers are for? (:

Down with the bourgeois! Revolution! Wheeeee! ;)
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: yC on Feb 27, 2007, 01:21 PM
Let's not talk about respect or not, i already said it:

QuoteWe shouldn't force ppl to play their respect for any reason, respect are gained when someone did something that you feel they deserve your respect.  In the same way, if someone did something very wrong in your logic, you will be disgusted by that person.

Not everyone here played the server he made, enjoyed the environment he created, so let's not get into who not respect who because obviously everyone's view/feel is different and everyone has a choice don't we?
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Rbread on Feb 27, 2007, 02:46 PM
Still, somebody died.  They brought it into this forum.  Most of us don't know this Philip Mak.  Might as well just say

Rest In Peace

No matter how jealous you are over another persons success, you still have to respect them as a person-- as a human.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: AceJay on Feb 27, 2007, 09:17 PM
Indeed, I forgot to say that in my previous post.

Even if Pmak is not dead, I will continue to believe that Debbie is dead, for the community.

And so, Debbie, rest in peace. Thank you for your amazing server (sans Aegis :P)
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Feb 27, 2007, 09:32 PM
if the community found out debbie wasnt who she said she was and isnt dead it would turn animaro into the ghetto, but worse. For the time being i will believe debbie is a she and she is dead until someone proves otherwise or proves debbie is a she and has passed on.

if the person who got a hold of a newspaper article could load it so we can research and decide for mourselves
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Magnus the Exorcist on Feb 28, 2007, 04:34 AM
well... we all know debbie  is Pmak and Pmak is a guy =P

until some1 show me a obituary hes alive in my opinion. probably too busy in real life to care about what ppl say about him or anima.

=============="off topic"================
another point who worry me is... "what now?"
    some US friends said me theres no more sponsors to make free ads;
    MVP cards reached 16 mil;
    ads reaching 600kz;
    the website say rates 5/5/3 but MVP drops is near 0 now
    many looters and ksers on every single map and they dont mind when reported cuz max punishment is get muted...

    GMs come in and GMs come out but...
    theres anima any future?
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Rince on Feb 28, 2007, 04:41 AM
The only part that concerms me about this issue is that, with the death of Philip, Harken will take over as the head GM.

Harken = Pure Communism

No freedom of speech, action, or anything what so ever. [You get the idea]

If he doesnt like you......Youre gone.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: gameaddict3 on Feb 28, 2007, 09:26 AM
so... PMak makes money by selling bots and getting donations for anima... what did he do before RO.... what if he is (or was) a professor at a university... i have some theories and some sites to back it up... if anyone wants to know what I have to offer please message me
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: laecertus on Feb 28, 2007, 12:56 PM
ah not but he got a p.h
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Emeralda on Feb 28, 2007, 01:48 PM
I agree about the Harken part. That won't be nice...

Anyway, here's another topic on a diffrent server about this: > teh Topic < (http://roforever.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=3679). Similiar views and some different arguments.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Emeralda on Feb 28, 2007, 02:04 PM
Quote from: gameaddict3 on Feb 28, 2007, 09:26 AM
so... PMak makes money by selling bots and getting donations for anima... what did he do before RO.... what if he is (or was) a professor at a university... i have some theories and some sites to back it up... if anyone wants to know what I have to offer please message me

Quote from: TrueNoir link=roforever.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=3679&st=20#
oh side note if you checked the George Washington University were he went to school you'll find he was a pianoist in one of there school musical's im pretty sure if he did pass away there would be some information as to remember him by im pretty sure there should be and i couldnt find anything. though i found alot of interesting things. http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5964/pc260106fn4.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5964/pc260106fn4.jpg)

Quote from a topic on a diffrent forum.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: gameaddict3 on Feb 28, 2007, 03:47 PM
hence why my thoughts were just theories
me=pwned after my last post :P
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: llxwarbirdxll on Feb 28, 2007, 08:50 PM
Come...
Join this toast
God is dead...

         Tristania- Wormwood
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Feb 28, 2007, 09:21 PM
Ads are currently unavailible at the moment, Gene is fixing this asap.

Harken isnt an donkey all the time, i see why she how she is, some people are just stupid.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: -Kirin- on Feb 28, 2007, 09:31 PM
So much drama over 1 little server  :-\
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: AceJay on Feb 28, 2007, 10:34 PM
Quote from: -Kirin- on Feb 28, 2007, 09:31 PM
So much drama over 1 HUGE server  :-\

Fixed.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Feb 28, 2007, 10:47 PM
lol, you would think that because someone DID just die.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Feb 28, 2007, 11:27 PM
Id likt to see how the 2 new assitant GMs go, they are mainly sorting out reports and punishin people but i do hope they are put to better use.

Welcome GM Kyrie and Timamusa (soz i might of spelt it wrong)
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: laecertus on Mar 01, 2007, 12:05 PM
kyrie = debbie <_<
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Mar 01, 2007, 06:52 PM
lol. no. They are two different people. Kyrie and timamusa are only assistant gms who deal with reports.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Xennith on Mar 02, 2007, 03:08 AM
I know I'll be preaching to deaf ears, here, but I should at least say it.

Debbie is honestly dead and gone.

Now, if you want to argue about whether or not "Phil" is still dead or not, by all means, go ahead and debate it on your truth sites and what not... we honestly just don't have the heart to bother with you guys right now. We have bigger things on our plate, mostly because of Debbie's passing.

However, I can tell you with absolute honesty that Debbie won't be coming back as one of the "New" GMs. They are, honestly and truthfully, other players on the server who submitted applications in our Hiring Event, as mentioned in the announcement on our forums some time ago.

I know that it won't help to dissuade you from thinking it's the case, especially seeing as we've waited until now to work more actively on the hiring of new GMs, and since we'll be adding more staff within the next few months, you'll have plenty of free space to speculate about it.

But nonetheless... R.I.P. Debbie.

I know you guys don't have a lot of faith in Harken, but in all honesty, you're not going to see any gigantic negative changes to the server. Harken is, by far and large, the GM who cares about the player base the most. Even the conspirators and truth aficionados like to say that Debbie's involvement in AnimaRO was purely an attempt to earn money, and none of you have ever been able to say the same about Harken.

Don't knock it until you see where we go. I think that AnimaRO, in whatever incarnation, has a bright future.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Falx on Mar 02, 2007, 05:42 AM
Anyone seen This? http://www2.blogger.com/profile/08362025545841518226 (http://www2.blogger.com/profile/08362025545841518226)
Anyone know if it could be "Debbie"?
Top page on google when you search "Philip Mak"
Last entry was March 01.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: laecertus on Mar 02, 2007, 07:39 AM
owned!  :D
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Xennith on Mar 02, 2007, 08:36 AM
That's not the same Philip Mak that everyone likes to talk about, much less Debbie.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: hex_zerg on Mar 02, 2007, 08:50 AM
Death doesn't make excuses. Regardless, he still scamed a lot of people out of their money. I'm sorry but that can't be forgiven in my eyes. Oh, and here is a little thing called Karma. "What goes around, comes around." I hope you rot in hell.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Pandora on Mar 02, 2007, 09:20 AM
There's been so much s*** comming from anima you can't blame people for being non believers. And all this dissociation about debbie/philmak comming from the people or anima ro themselves who wont even admit that debbie=philmak make it look even more suspicious.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: EuphPriest on Mar 02, 2007, 11:45 AM
Debbie die and Euph leave his server around same time.  Any relation to each other
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Falx on Mar 02, 2007, 02:31 PM
Quote from: Xennith on Mar 02, 2007, 08:36 AM
That's not the same Philip Mak that everyone likes to talk about, much less Debbie.
Well you're not exactly a credible source, you'd do anything to cover up the truth.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Orguss on Mar 02, 2007, 07:58 PM
I didn't attend the funeral, but I heard about the disaster that ensued.  Spectators could only stand in awe. Apparently, his wig was lop sided. And his lipstick was smudged.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Jayne Cobb on Mar 02, 2007, 08:32 PM
For people who still beleive phil/debbie is still alive:
http://www.animelyrics.tv/forum/topic_show.pl?tid=25188
http://www.shoujoai.com/forum/topic_show.pl?tid=38948
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Falx on Mar 02, 2007, 10:18 PM
That does not prove a thing.
It could just be another cover up.
Well, Tynne, if you know so much about him, would you mind sharing his location? City, State.
It'd be the easier way to find out if this was true or not. (Obituaries)
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Falx on Mar 03, 2007, 12:22 AM
Quote- Game Masters -

    * GM-canadiancow - Owner
From EuphRO Website.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Krystalx on Mar 03, 2007, 08:56 PM
Get over it, debbie is dead. Serenity made it clear.
Yeah he banned me, he scam me, he scam my friends, he ban a lot more for unfair reasons, he did a lot of bad crap but he's DEAD.
Even dead what he did was REALLY bad, but he was still HUMAN like YOU and ME so have some respect for a fallen one of your own race, even if you didnt like him.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Jayne Cobb on Mar 03, 2007, 09:58 PM
Regardless if Phil is dead or not. All of his servers (including anima) seem to be moving to another location right now.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Falx on Mar 04, 2007, 07:58 PM
Quote from: Krystalx on Mar 03, 2007, 08:56 PM
Get over it, debbie is dead. Serenity made it clear.
Yeah he banned me, he scam me, he scam my friends, he ban a lot more for unfair reasons, he did a lot of bad crap but he's DEAD.
Even dead what he did was REALLY bad, but he was still HUMAN like YOU and ME so have some respect for a fallen one of your own race, even if you didnt like him.
There's no REAL Evidence that he is actually dead.
Only rumors as of now.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Krystalx on Mar 04, 2007, 11:26 PM
Yeah no evidence, just a few RL friends of some people going to deb's funeral.
No evidence at all.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: CritHit on Mar 05, 2007, 01:54 AM
Eh, can we just let the guy rest in peace? >.>
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Caprion on Mar 05, 2007, 08:48 AM
I know it's awful to have to question someone's death like this... but considering the circumstances, I think it's almost expected.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: hex_zerg on Mar 05, 2007, 09:22 AM
What do you expect? With all the sneaky s*** he was pulling.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Mar 05, 2007, 07:49 PM
*sigh* some respect please.....

Server is being moved at the moment which explains why sites are down. Sever is ok but lets see what happenes

Off-topic

Iron Man Event Coming in April!!!!
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 12:02 AM
Quote from: hex_zerg on Feb 25, 2007, 08:54 AM
Does this mean there will be balance on AnimaRo?

Debbie didnt die, Debbie just took the money and left Harken incharge of the server.
Its time for Debbie to enjoy life after all the money he had made from the Gold Mine Server.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Krystalx on Mar 06, 2007, 12:37 AM
Hello merah, it's been a while.
Or mayb he really did die, there's not evidence agaisnt it anyway. Yah aRO is full of lies, scams and crap but that doesnt mean EVERYTHING is a lie
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Mar 06, 2007, 01:22 AM
Quote from: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 12:02 AM
Quote from: hex_zerg on Feb 25, 2007, 08:54 AM
Does this mean there will be balance on AnimaRo?

Debbie didnt die, Debbie just took the money and left Harken incharge of the server.
Its time for Debbie to enjoy life after all the money he had made from the Gold Mine Server.

I dobt you got real proof to back that up, st serenity spent ages trying to lets say undermine aro with having animatruth.com in his sig etc... and now hes stopped that, i dobt someone completly changes unless something has actually happened.

QuoteYah aRO is full of lies, scams and crap but that doesnt mean EVERYTHING is a lie
oh i cant be bothered replying whats wrong with this.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: dravokivich on Mar 06, 2007, 05:08 AM
Quote from: shane3x on Mar 06, 2007, 01:22 AM
Quote from: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 12:02 AM
Quote from: hex_zerg on Feb 25, 2007, 08:54 AM
Does this mean there will be balance on AnimaRo?

Debbie didnt die, Debbie just took the money and left Harken incharge of the server.
Its time for Debbie to enjoy life after all the money he had made from the Gold Mine Server.

I dobt you got real proof to back that up, st serenity spent ages trying to lets say undermine aro with having animatruth.com in his sig etc... and now hes stopped that, i dobt someone completly changes unless something has actually happened.

QuoteYah aRO is full of lies, scams and crap but that doesnt mean EVERYTHING is a lie
oh i cant be bothered replying whats wrong with this.


Well do you have proof that he/she/it died?

Remember photo's are better then words or chatroom copy+pastes. Because as you have said for yourself, thats what you require, so why can't I?
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Mar 06, 2007, 05:11 AM
Ask st serenity and he can give you proof. He was once a AnimaRO GM who knew debbie, i know he wouldnt lie but ask him anyway.

i should metion real unedited proof.

unlike a certain site i know....
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Dark_Raven on Mar 06, 2007, 05:33 AM
St Serinity was never an aRO GM, he was just in charge of the teamspeak server.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Mar 06, 2007, 05:38 AM
Quote from: shane3x on Mar 06, 2007, 05:11 AM
Ask st serenity and he can give you proof. He was once a important AnimaRO firgue who knew debbie, i know he wouldnt lie but ask him anyway.

i should metion real unedited proof.

unlike a certain site i know....
does that suit you?
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Dark_Raven on Mar 06, 2007, 05:40 AM
Quote from: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 12:02 AM
Quote from: hex_zerg on Feb 25, 2007, 08:54 AM
Does this mean there will be balance on AnimaRo?

Debbie didnt die, Debbie just took the money and left Harken incharge of the server.
Its time for Debbie to enjoy life after all the money he had made from the Gold Mine Server.

Merah , dont speak if you dont know, its true there is a lot dark,light and grey in aRO but I hear from some friends that Pmaks death was announced a local newspaper, Its a Felony to lie in that kind of range in the US. Debbie is really gone, Dont pit it all on Debbie. whatever be you have been playing on aRO for 2 long years without a ban despite the fact that you were a massive botter.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: dravokivich on Mar 06, 2007, 05:59 AM
Quote from: Dark_Raven on Mar 06, 2007, 05:40 AM
Quote from: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 12:02 AM
Quote from: hex_zerg on Feb 25, 2007, 08:54 AM
Does this mean there will be balance on AnimaRo?

Debbie didnt die, Debbie just took the money and left Harken incharge of the server.
Its time for Debbie to enjoy life after all the money he had made from the Gold Mine Server.

Merah , dont speak if you dont know, its true there is a lot dark,light and grey in aRO but I hear from some friends that Pmaks death was announced a local newspaper, Its a Felony to lie in that kind of range in the US. Debbie is really gone, Dont pit it all on Debbie. whatever be you have been playing on aRO for 2 long years without a ban despite the fact that you were a massive botter.

you heard from people that heard from other people... everyone just heard of it....
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 06:07 AM
Quote from: dravokivich on Mar 06, 2007, 05:59 AM
Quote from: Dark_Raven on Mar 06, 2007, 05:40 AM
Quote from: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 12:02 AM
Quote from: hex_zerg on Feb 25, 2007, 08:54 AM
Does this mean there will be balance on AnimaRo?

Debbie didnt die, Debbie just took the money and left Harken incharge of the server.
Its time for Debbie to enjoy life after all the money he had made from the Gold Mine Server.

Merah , dont speak if you dont know, its true there is a lot dark,light and grey in aRO but I hear from some friends that Pmaks death was announced a local newspaper, Its a Felony to lie in that kind of range in the US. Debbie is really gone, Dont pit it all on Debbie. whatever be you have been playing on aRO for 2 long years without a ban despite the fact that you were a massive botter.

you heard from people that heard from other people... everyone just heard of it....

*Laughs*
Well said Draco.

Anyways, Debbie didnt die.
If pmak really died, give me the address to his tombstone plox?

I asked someone who claimed she had attended the "Funeral".
And she said that she had 2 friends with her, along with pmak's parents.
And i asked her, "Thats all? No one else?"

Well, lemme ask you this, who gets buried without the presence of a priest?

Seriously, Shane, if you wanna protect AnimaRO, go to their forums and join the party.
Dont come here and get aimed by all the Anima Haters.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: dravokivich on Mar 06, 2007, 06:31 AM
Quote from: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 06:07 AM
*Laughs*
Well said Draco.

Anyways, Debbie didnt die.
If pmak really died, give me the address to his tombstone plox?

I asked someone who claimed she had attended the "Funeral".
And she said that she had 2 friends with her, along with pmak's parents.
And i asked her, "Thats all? No one else?"

Well, lemme ask you this, who gets buried without the presence of a priest?

Seriously, Shane, if you wanna protect AnimaRO, go to their forums and join the party.
Dont come here and get aimed by all the Anima Haters.

People usually shorten it to Drav, then again i've noticed a few people saw "Draco" no i diea why, the C is near the end of the nick.

Anyhow, it aint so much Animaro haters. it more so I reckon aot of us are sick and tired of this forum being choked up with regurgitated s*** from animaro.

Does everyone care if he/she/it died?

don't think so... ell i sure as hell don't.

Does everyone care if the server is "corrupt"?

Won't change things, people just won't go there.

So why do some people have to keep bringing it up again?

Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: laecertus on Mar 06, 2007, 06:56 AM
i only want to save new ro players from a shocking ro experiance Dx ::)
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 07:09 AM
Quote from: laecertus on Mar 06, 2007, 06:56 AM
i only want to save new ro players from a shocking ro experiance Dx ::)

me too me too
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: hex_zerg on Mar 06, 2007, 09:18 AM
Quote from: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 06:07 AM
Quote from: dravokivich on Mar 06, 2007, 05:59 AM
Quote from: Dark_Raven on Mar 06, 2007, 05:40 AM
Quote from: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 12:02 AM
Quote from: hex_zerg on Feb 25, 2007, 08:54 AM
Does this mean there will be balance on AnimaRo?

Debbie didnt die, Debbie just took the money and left Harken incharge of the server.
Its time for Debbie to enjoy life after all the money he had made from the Gold Mine Server.

Merah , dont speak if you dont know, its true there is a lot dark,light and grey in aRO but I hear from some friends that Pmaks death was announced a local newspaper, Its a Felony to lie in that kind of range in the US. Debbie is really gone, Dont pit it all on Debbie. whatever be you have been playing on aRO for 2 long years without a ban despite the fact that you were a massive botter.

you heard from people that heard from other people... everyone just heard of it....

*Laughs*
Well said Draco.

Anyways, Debbie didnt die.
If pmak really died, give me the address to his tombstone plox?

I asked someone who claimed she had attended the "Funeral".
And she said that she had 2 friends with her, along with pmak's parents.
And i asked her, "Thats all? No one else?"

Well, lemme ask you this, who gets buried without the presence of a priest?

Seriously, Shane, if you wanna protect AnimaRO, go to their forums and join the party.
Dont come here and get aimed by all the Anima Haters.
Yes, seriousily Shane go do that. You are extremely blinded by loyatly its almost harlious.
Posted on: March 06, 2007, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: shane3x on Mar 05, 2007, 07:49 PM
*sigh* some respect please.....

Server is being moved at the moment which explains why sites are down. Sever is ok but lets see what happenes

Off-topic

Iron Man Event Coming in April!!!!
Just another event where all the donators win.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: poringmonger on Mar 06, 2007, 11:52 AM
To all of this: I agree with RateMyServer Forums. We should Earn Income Now.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Krystalx on Mar 06, 2007, 06:59 PM
Quote from: shane3x on Mar 06, 2007, 01:22 AM
Quote from: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 12:02 AM
Quote from: hex_zerg on Feb 25, 2007, 08:54 AM
Does this mean there will be balance on AnimaRo?

Debbie didnt die, Debbie just took the money and left Harken incharge of the server.
Its time for Debbie to enjoy life after all the money he had made from the Gold Mine Server.

I dobt you got real proof to back that up, st serenity spent ages trying to lets say undermine aro with having animatruth.com in his sig etc... and now hes stopped that, i dobt someone completly changes unless something has actually happened.

QuoteYah aRO is full of lies, scams and crap but that doesnt mean EVERYTHING is a lie
oh i cant be bothered replying whats wrong with this.
That's why half the threads about aRO always get locked and in every forum aRO is mentioned most people say it's corrupt, omg everyone is such a lier !! animaRO is so damn good we're all liers with no evidence.
THE admin you defend so much OFFER me to PAY HIM to UNBAN me for POSTING THE TRUTH, omg !!!
Also, PRIVATE EVENTS, SQIs FOR YOUR FRIENDS, HELP FROM ADMIN TO LVL UP TO WIN EVENTs and so on .... seriously give it up, go play with corruption and stop talking s*** ... wait you may not understand that let me clear it for you, I mean go play in aRO and stop saying it's not corrupt.
They also claim copyright of the bot logs, chat logs, etc. of animarotruth and try to turn the website down using that, hmm.... if all of http://animarotruth.com is a bunch of lies, why do they claim copyright over those logs ? weird ...
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 08:54 PM
Quote from: Krystalx on Mar 06, 2007, 06:59 PM
Quote from: shane3x on Mar 06, 2007, 01:22 AM
Quote from: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 12:02 AM
Quote from: hex_zerg on Feb 25, 2007, 08:54 AM
Does this mean there will be balance on AnimaRo?

Debbie didnt die, Debbie just took the money and left Harken incharge of the server.
Its time for Debbie to enjoy life after all the money he had made from the Gold Mine Server.

I dobt you got real proof to back that up, st serenity spent ages trying to lets say undermine aro with having animatruth.com in his sig etc... and now hes stopped that, i dobt someone completly changes unless something has actually happened.

QuoteYah aRO is full of lies, scams and crap but that doesnt mean EVERYTHING is a lie
oh i cant be bothered replying whats wrong with this.
That's why half the threads about aRO always get locked and in every forum aRO is mentioned most people say it's corrupt, omg everyone is such a lier !! animaRO is so damn good we're all liers with no evidence.
THE admin you defend so much OFFER me to PAY HIM to UNBAN me for POSTING THE TRUTH, omg !!!
Also, PRIVATE EVENTS, SQIs FOR YOUR FRIENDS, HELP FROM ADMIN TO LVL UP TO WIN EVENTs and so on .... seriously give it up, go play with corruption and stop talking s*** ... wait you may not understand that let me clear it for you, I mean go play in aRO and stop saying it's not corrupt.
They also claim copyright of the bot logs, chat logs, etc. of animarotruth and try to turn the website down using that, hmm.... if all of http://animarotruth.com is a bunch of lies, why do they claim copyright over those logs ? weird ...

Well, we puttin on a strike soon.
Rebellion.

We'll see who gets the last laugh.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Krystalx on Mar 06, 2007, 09:10 PM
We already won, exposing it's corruption and getting more people to see the truth ...
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 06, 2007, 09:12 PM
Quote from: Krystalx on Mar 06, 2007, 09:10 PM
We already won, exposing it's corruption and getting more people to see the truth ...

Debbie lost. Harken didnt.
Now we are plannin to kick his donkey out.

So we can free AnimaRO.

Those that got banned will be reinstated.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Kenshi. on Mar 07, 2007, 02:14 AM
It's interesting how much you morons care about a server on which you aren't even playing.

Just play the f*** game and shut up, seriously.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 07, 2007, 02:41 AM
Quote from: Kenshi. on Mar 07, 2007, 02:14 AM
It's interesting how much you morons care about a server on which you aren't even playing.

Just play the f*cking game and shut up, seriously.

Yea, play the game and suck up to Harken.
Fun and entertaining for you eh?
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Dark_Raven on Mar 07, 2007, 03:00 AM
Who the hell is Kenshi anyway?
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 07, 2007, 03:18 AM
Quote from: Dark_Raven on Mar 07, 2007, 03:00 AM
Who the hell is Kenshi anyway?

Just another random GM Suck-up.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Dark_Raven on Mar 07, 2007, 03:27 AM
His In game Char Plox :)
Iwanna know if he is even an old player or not lol
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 07, 2007, 03:32 AM
Quote from: Dark_Raven on Mar 07, 2007, 03:27 AM
His In game Char Plox :)
Iwanna know if he is even an old player or not lol

Never seen him once in past 2 years.
Newb player i suppose.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Mar 07, 2007, 03:45 AM
Making your little sites and complaining how bad Animaro isnt going to do squat, unless you go down to where the server is and blow yourself up and destroy the server HQ i dobt anything you do over the net will affect it.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: dravokivich on Mar 07, 2007, 04:25 AM
Quote from: shane3x on Mar 07, 2007, 03:45 AM
Making your little sites and complaining how bad Animaro isnt going to do squat, unless you go down to where the server is and blow yourself up and destroy the server HQ i dobt anything you do over the net will affect it.

HQ? it aint like animaro is some kinda organization... if it is, its quite a bad 1 at that.

And why blow ourselves up? why dont we just like... leave a bomb then walk the hell away then set it off.

I know I klnow a rather primative approach...
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Dark_Raven on Mar 07, 2007, 04:37 AM
Shane though its good you are standing up fr AnimaRO but "Read Tynnes post"
You genuinely dont know  but are defending rather primitively, Stay out of this thread.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Mar 07, 2007, 04:50 AM
firstly, its really hard to believe what anyone says on these forums these days, its like the ji-had media war against the americans....the islamic community make a good point and so do the americans, but then you got toe people who blow it out of proportion.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 07, 2007, 04:59 AM
Quote from: shane3x on Mar 07, 2007, 04:50 AM
firstly, its really hard to believe what anyone says on these forums these days, its like the ji-had media war against the americans....the islamic community make a good point and so do the americans, but then you got toe people who blow it out of proportion.

Well, at least we know AnimaRO more then you do.
The facts you know about AnimaRO were all fabricated by Harken himself.

So we cant really blame a brainwashed kiddo.
but seriously, you should reduce the flamings and reflect on yourself...

Ask around to find out the deep dark secrets about AnimaRO.
^^
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Dark_Raven on Mar 07, 2007, 05:05 AM
Send your forum money to Dark_Raven xD
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: dravokivich on Mar 07, 2007, 05:16 AM
Quote from: shane3x on Mar 07, 2007, 04:50 AM
firstly, its really hard to believe what anyone says on these forums these days, its like the ji-had media war against the americans....the islamic community make a good point and so do the americans, but then you got toe people who blow it out of proportion.

ji-had?

You are comparing this to a social economic struggle within a bunch of countries in the middle east?

Please tell me that was ment to ba some kinda joke...
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 07, 2007, 05:20 AM
Quote from: dravokivich on Mar 07, 2007, 05:16 AM
Quote from: shane3x on Mar 07, 2007, 04:50 AM
firstly, its really hard to believe what anyone says on these forums these days, its like the ji-had media war against the americans....the islamic community make a good point and so do the americans, but then you got toe people who blow it out of proportion.

ji-had?

You are comparing this to a social economic struggle within a bunch of countries in the middle east?

Please tell me that was ment to ba some kinda joke...

I sure hope the terrorists send a bomb to Harken.
Rofl...
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Mar 07, 2007, 05:52 AM
i was going to reply with a flame but im better then that so ill keep it to myself, oh well, this has practically become or is going to become a flame war.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Dark_Raven on Mar 07, 2007, 05:55 AM
You can flame if you want - no one is stopping ya, Freedom  ::)
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: dravokivich on Mar 07, 2007, 05:58 AM
Quote from: shane3x on Mar 07, 2007, 05:52 AM
i was going to reply with a flame but im better then that so ill keep it to myself, oh well, this has practically become or is going to become a flame war.

Flame war? Your not even worth the ashes...
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 07, 2007, 06:00 AM
Quote from: dravokivich on Mar 07, 2007, 05:58 AM
Quote from: shane3x on Mar 07, 2007, 05:52 AM
i was going to reply with a flame but im better then that so ill keep it to myself, oh well, this has practically become or is going to become a flame war.

Flame war? Your not even worth the ashes...

Do not light a cigarette.
Im might fart as im laughin too hard.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: shane3x on Mar 07, 2007, 06:35 AM
Quote from: Dark_Raven on Mar 07, 2007, 05:55 AM
You can flame if you want - no one is stopping ya, Freedom  ::)

im not one to flame really... sometimes people just annoy me.

QuoteFlame war? Your not even worth the ashes...

and like you are...lol.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 07, 2007, 07:07 AM
Quote from: shane3x on Mar 07, 2007, 06:35 AM
Quote from: Dark_Raven on Mar 07, 2007, 05:55 AM
You can flame if you want - no one is stopping ya, Freedom  ::)

im not one to flame really... sometimes people just annoy me.


Problem now is that, you annoyin people. We dont intend to annoy you, so move out of our way.

Quote from: shane3x on Mar 07, 2007, 06:35 AM
QuoteFlame war? Your not even worth the ashes...

and like you are...lol.

Hes worth every particle of the ashes.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Krystalx on Mar 07, 2007, 07:17 AM
Quote from: shane3x on Mar 07, 2007, 03:45 AM
Making your little sites and complaining how bad Animaro isnt going to do squat, unless you go down to where the server is and blow yourself up and destroy the server HQ i dobt anything you do over the net will affect it.
No they do nothing, oh wait .... how many have quit aRO after they know the truth ? hm.... that's quite a big number.
aRO would probably have like 1-2k more players if the truth hadnt spread out and most start doing their own research and find out (instead of sucking up to GMs or defending it) :D enjoy.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Atemu on Mar 07, 2007, 07:18 AM
I thought I was a bit late to the party, but as this seems to have changed from an interesting debate on the corollary of ostensible anonymity in the detached subworld of the internet into yet another 'AnimaRO Vs. The World' thread, I think it no longer matters when I say this.

A side note: Before anyone on either side reads intention into that first paragraph and starts throwing baseless flames in my general direction, I'd like to say that I am a completely impartial observer. I have not played AnimaRO, have no intention of ever playing it, never had any intention of playing it, and probably never will. I don't have a 'side' and I have no opinions on claims made by either side of the corruption/non-corruption debate. The drama just gives me something outré to read on my tea breaks.

On death on the internet and the debate there in:
Society since the introduction, evolution and subsequent entrenchment of the internet in everyday life has taken a very interesting turn.
Before the internet, the ability to lie to a vast medium and getting away with it was neigh impossible. You couldn't just tell it and expect people to believe it, you had to actively interrupt your life in order to lend credence to your farce. Now that the internet has become the number one form of communication in the world, it has made anonymity nearly a way of life.
Humans lie. They always have and they always will, but the scope of the equivocator's abilities to inveigle has become truly substantial thanks to communication via largely untraceable forums. In layman's terms, nobody truly knows if anything said to them on the internet about the person they are speaking with is actually true, and most of the time they can't prove it one way or the other.
Humans are also naturally suspicious. This comes from our origin as chimps and is a defense mechanism against objects, information and individuals that could cause us some form of harm, but can extend to more mundane things.
To settle this matter conclusively, the burden of proof lies with those claiming the absolute, since you can't prove a negative, especially on the internet. You owe your doubters real proof, otherwise you should stop faulting them for not believing you. Your claims are baseless unless you can offer up an official obituary or photos from the funeral.
It is entirely possible this person simply got sick of being associated with AnimaRO and wanted to end things with a big bang, enacting a vast conspiracy among friends of some horribly painful death before passing the server and related properties to a precogitated party.
It's also entirely possible this person died. People die every day. It's a natural eventuality of the very act of being alive.

On respect and how it pertains to the dead:
Respect is a funny thing. We all crave it. We all demand it. Very few of us are willing to go through the motions of actually earning it. We simply expect to be respected if we achieve even the slightest perceived consummation.
I'm going to sound like an old man when I say this, but a big problem with this younger generation is that they don't understand that respect comes from more than just your physical creations, but also from your actions. For example, if someone makes a great server loved by all, but kills a family of four, is that person still to be respected? Sure, they've left behind a faultless recreation, but come on. They smothered an infant with its mother's corpse.
Perhaps 'Debbie' didn't commit any acts as heinous as quadruple homicide, but many claim to have been sorely mistreated by him/her and the the staff s/he chose to appoint. No party involved should have any expectations of respect from the opposing group.
Dying does not erase a person's ill deeds in life, nor does it add substance to anything positive. People who did not respect Debbie in life owe him/her no amount of respect in death. "Respect the dead" is a philosophy only applicable to those who knew and respect the individual before. To ask those who did not respect the individual to respect them in death is laughable. Patronization for the means of outward appearance is, to use a $0.02 word, insulting to all parties involved. People are being asked to lie and they are lying to others.
However, those demanding respect in the case of Debbie do bring up a good subject for education and debate. The mentality of respecting someone simply because they died finds its origins in Western religious development. Actually a pretty interesting study if you're into culture and social reform over the past few hundred years.
Anyway, for those who went up in arms, the previous example of Saddam in this case is actually a very apt point. Debbie's alleged deeds may not be comparable in and of themselves, but the message rings true enough. Saddam also did some very good things in life while he was slaughtering innocents. For one, he kept centuries of boiling civil war in check through his monstrous autocratic dictatorship. It's something to think about.
And to the person that said "you still have to respect them as a person"... Not really. To respect as a verb means "to hold in esteem". You don't have to respect anyone "as a person", unless the individual is a totalitarian authority figure and it's respect or be killed. I think you wanted the word "recognize", i.e. not hold Debbie as a lower life form since s/he is, in fact, a member of the same species no matter what s/he did or did not do.

On the drama and the human psychology:
Oh man, I was waiting to get to this. This calls for a Cigarette Of Happy. I love psychology.
Oh, how the human psyche craves drama, feeding off it like a leech. It's why we love reality shows, ER and Jane Austin, and what keeps both sides heated in regard to AnimaRO.
Drama of this magnitude is a battle, and animal instinct drives all of us for victory, whether we are directly involved or not. Debates of unrelated and sometimes irrelevant subjects generate and are fueled because one side wants to win, to destroy or at least silence the opposing opinion. Others sit on the sidelines and munch popcorn as they watch the battle unfold, even if they themselves have no intention of being directly involved.
When our species was young, drama was demonstrated most notably in the skirmishes of nomadic tribes for control of a new area, and later by governments to expand the control and influence of kingdoms. The battles fought today in digital writing are no different. We still battle for "ground" to expand our influence or the influence of others we respect, only now the ground is an idea as opposed to a tangible object - usually, anyway. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's as natural and as much a part of our genetic makeup as breathing.
That takes us to our subconscious destinies as equal parts exhibitionists and voyeurs. We must be seen and heard be as many people as possible, and we must see and hear them back. The desire for attention, be it negative or positive, is hardwired into our genetic makeup. When a secret is revealed about yourself, you cringe and cry and beg people to turn away, but there is always a small part of you obsessively clicking the Refresh button of life, hungering for the next response. When a secret is revealed about someone else, you watch and listen just as eagerly, reveling in the human drama unfolding before your ears and eyes.
Some people reading this, involved in AnimaRO or not, may consider the above an insult. You're gasping and glaring and INSISTING that though it may be true about everyone else, it CERTAINLY isn't true for you. You're just defending your beliefs, right? But why are you defending them? What impact does this debate in particular have on your life?
The answer is it doesn't need one, and though you may feign anger in typing a response to a debate, you've only convinced yourself that you're actually emotionally involved. (And if you're actually to the point where you get emotional while replying, that's a whole nother debate on human psychology and you should probably consider seeking help from a professional.) You're having a good time. The debate is interesting and it keeps our otherwise mundane lives interesting, as well. Nothing to be proud of, nothing to be ashamed of.
We all try to tell ourselves we hate drama, and a part of our conscious truly does. But to steal a line from Seattle-based KMFDM, "We are addicted to the things we hate."

I'm pretty sure nothing I've said will have an impact on anyone involved in the debate and won't truly "make you think", but I was bored and it was a distraction. Please, continue fighting "the good fight", whatever you believe the "good fight" truly is. I've been thoroughly entertained through it all.

-Please forgive any missed words or reused sentences. It's 4:13AM and I've been working for the past 14 hours.-
-Editted, because apparently with all my $0.50 words, I don't know the difference between 'turn' and 'term'.-
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Xennith on Mar 07, 2007, 07:49 AM
That was a good read. Lots of good points.

The one thing I'd like to clear up that I saw, however, is about the "Respecting the Dead" thing.

I don't care if you respected Debbie or not, in fact, I think it matters just as much now that she's gone whether you continue to respect her or not.
Many religions ask that members respect the dead, regardless of who they are... but that's simply not the case. Do people who hated Stalin respect him, now that he's dead? No, probably not. And really, I don't care if you continue to respect or disrespect Debbie, as you choose.

HOWEVER, what DOES matter to me is that the people who are continuing to badmouth Debbie, and her server, even after her passing, are being stupid and childish. It has nothing to do with respect, it has to do with being a sport about it.

Person: MAN, ANIMARO IS SO SUCK I HATE ANIMARO, I HOPE THE GMS ALL DIE!
AnimaRO GM: Debbie has died.
Person: GOOD, THAT b**** f*** HER, I HATE HER, ANIMARO IS SO SUCK, YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED!

It has to do with respecting LIFE, not the person. It's gone to the point of being nothing but poor sportsmanship. Debbie is dead... CONGRATULATIONS, HATERS, YOU'VE WON... Oh, but that's not enough.
The issue is that their battle to unseat "Corrupt" GMs has resulted in a victory, through someone's death, and it's now just them, almost literally, beating a dead horse.

It's tasteless. Moreover, it's not that we ask them to respect Debbie, it's that we'd like it if they didn't disrespect Debbie, someone a lot of us liked, so openly, and abrasively, in a public medium.

We're asking that people just not be a bunch of **** to someone who's dead, respect or not. But, I suppose that it's too much to ask.

ˉ\(º_o)/ˉ
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Krystalx on Mar 07, 2007, 07:53 AM
The fight of those who support the "truth" (aka the reality of aRO, corruption, scams, unfair bans .... you name it) is agaisnt the server, it can have debbie, harken or I dont know or care who as lead GM as long as their corruption is around there will be people to fight it.
I hate aRO, I dislike their corruption and all their crap and scams and even worse people defending it but I still said respect Debbie's death no need to insult some1 who's already dead. Of course a lot of people wont believe her death 'coz well ... aRO got a past full of lies, how can you really know this isnt just another one ? Some people I know and trust say that their RL friends talk with people that knew her or went to the funeral and that's enough for me.
But even if I believe and respect debbie's death, because after all she was a human like all of us that doesnt mean I'll just forget all the crap she did and all the crap and corruption that's still around in aRO.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Atemu on Mar 07, 2007, 08:08 AM
*snip*

Quote from: Xennith on Mar 07, 2007, 07:49 AM
HOWEVER, what DOES matter to me is that the people who are continuing to badmouth Debbie, and her server, even after her passing, are being stupid and childish. It has nothing to do with respect, it has to do with being a sport about it.

Person: MAN, ANIMARO IS SO SUCK I HATE ANIMARO, I HOPE THE GMS ALL DIE!
AnimaRO GM: Debbie has died.
Person: GOOD, THAT b*tch f*ck HER, I HATE HER, ANIMARO IS SO SUCK, YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED!

*snip*
Quote from: Xennith on Mar 07, 2007, 07:49 AM
It's tasteless. Moreover, it's not that we ask them to respect Debbie, it's that we'd like it if they didn't disrespect Debbie, someone a lot of us liked, so openly, and abrasively, in a public medium.

This good point makes me think I should clear something up, as this worries me that something was read into my point that I didn't intend:
Respect, again, means "to hold in esteem". "Holding the dead in esteem" only rings true for those who "held esteem" in life. Pretending to "hold esteem" for someone based on their passing is patronizing and wrong.
However, insulting someone that died because they died - no matter what the person did or how much you dislike them - is exactly what Xennith said. It's childish and it's pathetic. It makes the person doing the insulting look like a, if I may curse to prove my point, complete and utter moronic dipsh*t. If you are happy Debbie died, you have a serious personality disorder. I highly doubt Debbie did anything to anyone that deserves that level of contempt. If s/he had, it would have been in the newspaper, I'm sure.

*snip*

Quote from: Xennith on Mar 07, 2007, 07:49 AM
We're asking that people just not be a bunch of **** to someone who's dead, respect or not. But, I suppose that it's too much to ask.

ˉ\(º_o)/ˉ

Sorry to break it to you, but you are. The world is full of cruel individuals who would take pleasure in another's tragedy. There's a word for the personality disorder, but I can't remember it now.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Tiff on Mar 07, 2007, 08:25 AM
talking in this topic is like a pathway to hell. and this is the reason.
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Person: MAN, ANIMARO IS SO SUCK I HATE ANIMARO, I HOPE THE GMS ALL DIE!
AnimaRO GM: Debbie has died.
Person: GOOD, THAT b*tch f*ck HER, I HATE HER, ANIMARO IS SO SUCK, YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED!
if someone did do something like this then thats just crazy, the person never seen a dead person plus he/she is lucky enough not to have a family or friend dead or dying in their faces. its just sad how someone to their life away and used that remaining time to attack debbie instead of the server or what ever crap they would want to do. sure attack the sure it was a nasty one but when you talk about someone who is dead, thats really a no joking matter its not a game no more its real life :-\.

Quote from: Krystalx on Mar 07, 2007, 07:53 AM
The fight of those who support the "truth" (aka the reality of aRO, corruption, scams, unfair bans .... you name it) is agaisnt the server, it can have debbie, harken or I dont know or care who as lead GM as long as their corruption is around there will be people to fight it.
I hate aRO, I dislike their corruption and all their crap and scams and even worse people defending it but I still said respect Debbie's death no need to insult some1 who's already dead. Of course a lot of people wont believe her death 'coz well ... aRO got a past full of lies, how can you really know this isnt just another one ? Some people I know and trust say that their RL friends talk with people that knew her or went to the funeral and that's enough for me.
But even if I believe and respect debbie's death, because after all she was a human like all of us that doesnt mean I'll just forget all the crap she did and all the crap and corruption that's still around in aRO.
il support you but for you, of corse i dont HATE aro i just dont like the rumors of it, and so i dont want my relationship with krystal and our lives be so into aro and its so called curruption. good thing we both respect the living but only leave our hatred in games. hmm games do intend to leave hatred but thats natural... but if a person makes it happen then thats not natural at all.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Caprion on Mar 07, 2007, 09:07 AM
I think Atemu has the wisest words of anyone.  The burden of proof really does lie on those who believe that Debbie has died.  An example conversation with a more level-headed Former AnimaRO Player would really be more like this.

Former AnimaRO Player: I hate AnimaRO and I hope Debbie dies!
AnimaRO Loyalist: Debbie DID die.
Former AnimaRO Player: Yeah, prove it!

Then one of two things -

AnimaRO Loyalist: *Produces proof of Debbie's death*
Former AnimaRO Player: Oh... damn...

Note - this is only if the Former AnimaRO player is of sound mind.  Only a truely deranged individual would be happy for someone's death, regardless of how much they hate the person.

So, to the Loyalists, it's pretty simple.  All the "haters" need is a link to an online obituary or a scan of a newspaper article.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 07, 2007, 09:29 AM
Quote from: Xennith on Mar 07, 2007, 07:49 AM
Person: MAN, ANIMARO IS SO SUCK I HATE ANIMARO, I HOPE THE GMS ALL DIE!
AnimaRO GM: Debbie has died.
Person: GOOD, THAT b*tch f*ck HER, I HATE HER, ANIMARO IS SO SUCK, YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED!

Any Evidence to prove that?
Not that i disrespect Debbie's death, but as a matter of fact, he didnt die.

If im not wrong, someone named Harken was kicked outta the house, and lived with Debbie.
So if Debbie really died, where would poor Harken live in?
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Pandora on Mar 07, 2007, 09:57 AM
Very interresting post to read Atemu, well-thought of and well-written, probably the only one worth reading our of those 8ish pages. /no1

Save for the Jane Austin comment.. /sob T_T
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 07, 2007, 09:58 AM
Quote from: Pandora on Mar 07, 2007, 09:57 AM
Very interresting post to read Atemu, well-thought of and well-written, probably the only one worth reading our of those 8ish pages. /no1

Save for the Jane Austin comment.. /sob T_T

Im kinda lost..
X__X
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Pandora on Mar 07, 2007, 09:59 AM
I was refering to Atemu's first post, on page 7.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: merahmatriz on Mar 07, 2007, 09:59 AM
Quote from: Pandora on Mar 07, 2007, 09:59 AM
I was refering to Atemu's first post, on page 7.

Soka desu...
X__x
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Atemu on Mar 07, 2007, 10:06 AM
Quote from: Pandora on Mar 07, 2007, 09:57 AM
Very interresting post to read Atemu, well-thought of and well-written, probably the only one worth reading our of those 8ish pages. /no1

Save for the Jane Austin comment.. /sob T_T

Well, thank you. It's nice to know my time was appreciated.

What's wrong with Jane Austin? She DOES write dramas.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Pandora on Mar 07, 2007, 10:11 AM
Quote from: merahmatriz on Mar 07, 2007, 09:59 AM
Soka desu...
X__x
Ii desu yo
Posted on: March 07, 2007, 11:10:26 AM
Quote from: Atemu on Mar 07, 2007, 10:06 AM
Quote from: Pandora on Mar 07, 2007, 09:57 AM
Very interresting post to read Atemu, well-thought of and well-written, probably the only one worth reading our of those 8ish pages. /no1

Save for the Jane Austin comment.. /sob T_T

Well, thank you. It's nice to know my time was appreciated.

What's wrong with Jane Austin? She DOES write dramas.
yeah I guess so lol ^_^; Anyway sorry about the off-topicness.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Orguss on Mar 07, 2007, 01:31 PM
I find it funny that Gene and Harken always mention Stalin, Marx, and Hitler. I think Gene has this tattooed on his donkey:

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Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Boomer on Mar 07, 2007, 01:56 PM
From pervious posts, I found gene<room-mate>harken and harken stay in debbie house.  ::)

The puzzle has been solved!!  :P
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Kenshi. on Mar 07, 2007, 02:01 PM
Wow. BOOHOO, THE GM'S ARE CORRUPT.

Gimme the name of a server with gms that arent?

You guys are bunch of [comment removed]. And Atemu.. please? Did you cry when you wrote that? You [comment removed].

Merah is a [comment removed] and Tynne is a [comment removed], do you seriously listen do people like that?  And who is Caprion? And why is he [comment removed] around in this thread?
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Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Xennith on Mar 07, 2007, 02:38 PM
Sheesh, Kenshi, you're being more of a **** than usual.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Kenshi. on Mar 07, 2007, 03:01 PM
I'm just being childish. Like them.

I don't really get the point with this thread.
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Tiff on Mar 07, 2007, 03:54 PM
Quote from: St. Serenity on Mar 07, 2007, 03:48 PM
Aww, Kenshi called me a dramawhoring faggot. =(

At least he got it half-right.

I'm a dramawhoring fairy princess! ^_^

*giggles and runs around tapping people with fairy wand*

<3
lol, so serenity, you like drama? tell me a sad part of it that you like most, like when the guy was framed and his girl left him because she saw him kissing another woman  ::)
Title: Re: Debbie is dead?
Post by: Rbread on Mar 07, 2007, 03:55 PM
Too many flames in this Topic, i'm locking it.