This message was original from Guild member of mine, going by the name of Gankaare. He was mistreated the most, which ultimately lead to half our guild getting banned.First thing first, I'm not doing this to be vindictive. I'm doing this to warn other players before they decide join this server. They will eventually find out but this could help them save some time.
Don't we all love to be in control, to have power? Let me tell you about Manuel and Sheldon, two admins who love power almost as much as Stalin loved his.
For future reference:
Manuel = GM Nova
Sheldon = GM Green
I = Gankaare
Incident 1 (first impressions)I got called out by a player from a previous server. He accused me of corruption when in fact we were the only guild actively fighting against it. We had a heated argument, I did most of the talking, and it ended up with me getting warned by one of the GM's. When I kept asking the guy for his identity on the previous server, GM Elise muted me. I tried to resolve this matter after the mute was lifted by talking to GM Green but he ignored me. I guess he has more pressing matters than corruption accusations.
One day later I trolled a little in main chat. Nothing too serious, I just wanted to get #main going after it had been silent for hours so I provoked a discussion. Stuff like:
"All americans are fat~"
and
"I wanna thank my parents, my friends and god for me being so awesome, except there is no god"
I got muted by GM Nova, the admin Manuel. I made a new account to try and explain why I did it. How one of the best ways to get peoples attention is to provoke them, just like you do with art and music and that I was trying to raise awareness of obesity. I work as a part time professional trainer and I believe that everyone deserves a healthy mind and body. He banned me for two days for no apparent reason. My guess, he is overweight and got offended (which is good). But instead of doing something about his weight, he banned me.
This is the explanation I left:
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(We should have left the server right there and then.)
I was really confused to why I got banned so I asked why and this is the answer I got:
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He still couldn't specify the reason for the ban. Refusing to "argue" with me. But I did what he asked of me, to stop and be quiet. I thought, that would be enough to be able to play with my friends again. How naive of me.
Incident 1.5 (1st and 2nd forum ban)(http://i.imgur.com/Wb9sCFa.png)
That's the message I got when trying to login on the forum the morning after. I thought it was a joke but I got my account suspended for asking why I got banned.
Then one of my friends contacted me and gave me some info I didn't know.
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Thanks Rory for always being a good friend.
With Rory's addition I could at least see that the Admin was trying to do what he thought was right for the server. But banning people for having a different opinion will ultimately hurt the server.
But it wasn't over here. Now the discrimination started.
My forum account got unbanned and I was able to post two comments comments on their forum saying:
"I would share my opinion on this subject but someone might get offended and you don't want to offend anyone on this server."
The morning after, my forum account was banned for a second time.
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Two scenarios that took place during all of this this
(1)
Don't we love hypocrites. GM Nova being condensending to our guild member Tilly and breaking one of his own server rules, the one about respecting others.
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(2)
More proof of bias GM's when Zorthei was namecalling me, no punishment because of discriminating admins. If that would've been me, I would have gotten banned again, most likely.
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We decided to stay on the server regardless of all that had happened, in hope that the admins would change. They didn't.
The harassment from the admin-team got to a point where GM Green kept stalking my guild mates, just to gather dirt on us. We are very knowledgeable players and have many tricks up our sleeves. That doesn't make it right to stalk us and remove all the tricks we know. Every RO player knows exactly how important every little advantage is, especially if you intend to dominate in WoE.
That leaves the question: The first players to start farming the monster Mavaka for Witherless Rose did obviously get an advantage. Was it unfair, or was it clever thinking?
Incident 2 (3rd forum ban)The 2nd ban was lifted and i could use the forums for a couple of days without any problems until they decided that +1ing / agreeing with someones opinion was bad.
Whenever something was suggested on the forums which I approved of, I would leave a simple "+1" reply. By doing this, I was accused of flooding the threads and not contributing to the topic. The forum lacked a way to show support for a suggestion, but the GM's were set on that if you were to reply, you had to add new information or the likes, at least not simply agree. Later on a "like"-feature was added, but this was after I had been banned for this.
I tried to log on the forum and got the following message:
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Incident 3 (main chat)A bunch of us got main chat banned for asking GM's for more transparency and questioning their ways of balancing WoE (we were surprised that people were able to use some skills e.g. back slide), as well as asking for proper changelogs that were clearly left out intentionally. Definitely need to mention that we were banned for something that could have happened, not something that happened. Manuel's own words.
This ban lasted over 24 hours.
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He asked us to go to the forums instead of using #main
Unfortunately the forums were completely deserted and were in no way a proper mean to speak to anybody.
Incident 4.1 (gold coins)We eventually found something that was exploitable, in this case: Gold Coins (the tradable cash shop currency). The NPC that handed out the Gold Coins had an IP check and an account check. By changing your IP and account, you could generate as many coins as you liked. This fact had been pointed out by the admin team itself in the server main chat, and players had also mentioned making use of this exploit in main chat (e.g. logging on from home+work+friend's place).NovaRO had a population of around 30-40 players, but 2000 seperate accounts. 500 of them were Novices, and it seemed pretty clear to us that we wouldn't be the first ones to make use of this exploit. The cash shop contained of more than one BiS item (e.g. Blush of Groom, Hockey Mask, Gentleman's Pipe), along with very valuable items in general. We are a competitive bunch, and falling behind wasn't an option. We kept all the coins generated within the guild so as not to disturb the server economy. The result? Permanent ID-ban on all accounts of the three people exploiting. No access to their money, MVP cards, legally-obtained cash shop items, nothing. A lot of items that belonged to other players were also lost due to this. Many times did we ask for reasoning for what we felt was an excessive punishment. This is what it boiled down to:
"[ [GM] Nova ] : If left unchecked what you did could have ruined the entire economy.
[ [GM] Nova ] : It's not about the harm that was or was not done, it's about what could have happened."
The punishment handed out was not for what was done, but what could potentially have been done. Basically, you shoplift a Snickers-bar, and get punished for bank robbery. We were punished for a crime we didn't commit, but might have.
On multiple occasions we'd been trying to reason with GM Nova but to no avail. With his passive-aggressive personality and condescending attitude towards us, we felt like it fell on deaf ears. It was as if he only did it to try to temporarily calm us down after being mistreated time and again.
Incident 4.2 (involving innocent players)GM Green also accused members that were not in on the gold coin exploit. Green played detective to find out who generated 1 months worth of gold coins and came to extremely twisted conclusions. Thus not only accusing and stalking innocent players, but also banning completely innocent people.
Our guild mate Kitus got banned for visiting a friend who had just been jailed (for using the gold coin exploit). GM Green with the ban hammer again. When Kitus asked the GM why he was banned, because clearly there was no reason to, he got simply ignored. There's zero transparency here.
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(http://i.imgur.com/54G1Chj.jpg) (Zelda = Kitus)
GM Green stating that he rather bans people than solves issues. We already knew this but I'm just laying out the facts for you guys.
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Incident 4.3 (verdict)I'm sorry for not having screenshots of all conversations. I never thought it would come to this so I apologize in advance for sentences or words that I've typed straight out of memory. They're representing my truth but they might differ a little from the actual text that was written in those moments.
A guildmate of mine (Tilly) that wasnt involved in any of the exploiting, was talking to the admin. Since she knows him from our previous server, where Manuel was a normal player as well, they had built up a good friendship outside the server. Since we, the people involved in the ban, couldn't really talk to Nova anymore and our Teamspeak talk wasn't of any use (Manuel didn't say anything about the final verdict, what's gonna happen now, etc). Tilly tried talking to Manuel and explain our situation from a neutral point. As you can see they had a friendly and proper conversation, something completely different when Manuel was on our Guilds Teamspeak. There was a final verdict aswell.
Chatlog between Tilly and Manuel.
[20:58:42] Manuel: But
[20:58:52] Manuel: I'm also not going to go out of my way to make sure the punishment doesn't make them quit.
[20:59:01] Manuel: The punishment should be severe enough to completely discourage somebody.
[20:59:02] Tilly: Obviously
[20:59:17] Tilly: Iunno, I feel like it should be fair in proportion
[20:59:56] Tilly: If my kids break a glass I won't make them create another one from sand
[21:07:37] Manuel: Has been exactly what it would have been to anybody else.
[21:08:01] Tilly: Well eh, you know that the main ban was a lil exaggerated
[21:08:07] Tilly: Especially fo a day
[21:08:19] Tilly: Anyway, back to topic
[21:08:21] Manuel: Yeah but we're past that are we not? :[
[21:08:23] Tilly: Yeah yeah
[21:08:37] Manuel: It's not like we're on your back constantly
[21:08:42] Manuel: Blaming you guys for things you don't do.
[21:28:24] Manuel: They will not be IP banned.
[21:28:34] Manuel: The rest of the decision is still up in the air for a little while.
[21:30:12] Tilly: You are Green really do seem like night and day to me though, one's trigger happy and the other can be reasoned with :P
[21:30:22] Manuel: He's a good counter to me
[21:30:22] Tilly: I'm glad you're here
[21:30:26] Manuel: Sometimes I'm too nice.
[21:30:30] Manuel: And he'll yell at me for it.
[21:30:37] Tilly: I guess that works
[21:30:38] Manuel: We make a good team behind the scenes
[21:30:39] Manuel: But sadly
[21:30:42] Manuel: He gets all the hate.
[21:30:50] Tilly: Yeah I can see how that would work
[21:30:52] Manuel: But you really have to believe me when I say he's a great guy [:
[21:31:05] Tilly: Behind the scenes, but individually it seems like you're the good one and he's the bad one
[21:31:10] Tilly: I believe you
[21:31:15] Manuel: Good cop bad cop? Haha.
[21:31:19] Tilly: I just don't believe he is GM material by himself
[21:31:22] Tilly: Yeah kinda :D
[21:31:30] Tilly: He needs you to get up to standards
[21:31:45] Manuel: Which works out fine. If it was just me
[21:31:51] Manuel: No one would ever be banned.
[21:31:55] Manuel: Because it makes me upset to lose players.There you have it. The final verdict was to allow us to keep playing, with our old accounts frozen and as for the gear it was still up to debate. However shortly after my guildmate got banned. I had a heated discussion with the admins about recent stalking of my guild and that lots of info from the admin team was leaking to a single guild (Tales of Ragnarok). Suddenly Tales of Ragnarok knew about everything and anything that happened and stuff we had done (or not done). After, once again, did show his nice power abusing/enforcing attitude on main chat, I told them how i feel about being treated like some animal in a cage on his server. My guildmate was just reading the main chat and after 10 minutes or so he got his account deleted for no reason.
Funny enough Nova tried to tell us on Skype that the Main ban was not uncalled for, yet to Tilly he admits it being exagerated. Interesting, no? He says he hates banning people, but he is banning people left and right and accusing them of various stuff they didnt commit. Hes a big fat liar, contradicting his own words, twisting them as he sees fit, while trying to keep a good image.
Later on GM Nova was accusing Tilly to try to "charm" him. Through this she was apparently trying to achieve a lesser punishment for my guildmates. After being accused of such ways as well as GM Novas and GM Greens extreme incompentent behaviour she quitted the server on her own.
Incident 5 (salad)Another trick we used was making zeny by farming Green Salads, no exploiting just normal game mechanics.
Things I said in the main chat:
Don't use any smart ways of generating zeny. You may only farm as they have intended for you to farm. IF you do it any other way and they find out about it, they'll not thank you for teaching them a new trick. They will remove you, and probably ban you aswell. Just like they did with my guild mates. Freedom of speech is important in real life and online.
Afterwards I got banned again of course.
Kiel Card incidentWhile we were playing on another server already, one of my guildmates logged back into NovaRO on one of the accounts he, strangely enough, did not get banned with. (All his other accounts were banned, the verdict was to start from 0)
It was his Ranger and out of boredom he was killing Kiel. To his luck he found a Kiel Card. Sadly he had no use for it on NovaRO so he tried to get rid off it while bragging with it. Soon enough GM Nova caught wind of that and started talking with him. He congratulated him for his luck and asked what hes gonna do with it now. Our guildmate said he was sad and happy at the same time because all his friends are banned or left the server so he didnt know what to do with the Kiel Card. GM Nova then said it would be an easy choice: "Your friends are on another server, but your Kiel Card is here. I dont see the problem. I would play here with my Kiel card."
Our guildmate then asked GM Nova if he would sell his friends and do the same. He replied:
"Yes, if GM Green would be a player i would sell him for a Kiel Card."
As you can see, GM Nova would sell his own friend for a MVP card. Such great attitude from a GM.
Later on our guildmate came into contact with a player named "Addison".
"Addison" was known for having well over 300k Cash Points. (Thats 300 dollars worth or more)
So either he actually dumps half his paycheck into a private-server, or he gets them in a way thats exclusive to him. When asking Nova, he kept quiet about it, not wanting to share ANY details if it was legit or not. Why, I am asking myself. If its a legit 300k earned through honest ways, there would be no reason to hide anything. But they do and that shows clear signs of corruption.
Addison tried to buy the Kiel Card with ingame Stuff. But all of our guildmates friends got banned from the server so he didnt need anything on NovaRO.
So on the teamspeak server, he asked Addison what he is gonna offer for the card. Addison replied with "money is no problem".
He told our guildmate that he will offer arround 130 USD for the card and that he will pay for it in three days. (26th December 2014)
Then after three days our guildmate got a permanent ban from GM Nova.
Addison, however, is still happily playing on Nova RO.
One of our unbanned guild members then spoke to one of Addisons guild members. He told us a few days later that Addison(Courtney) got the Kiel card. Apparently he "bought" it from our guildmate.
There was however no such transaction ever happening ingame. No word about a "outside" deal for the card was ever mentioned in game. No deal happened. Yet our guildmate got banned, Addison however did not.
Another proof that GM Nova and GM Green are corrupt and you can just buy yourself up in the ranks and gain complete immunity.
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Addison just send me(Inzanity) this:
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Quote"NovaRO - "Kiel Card". =) Hows addisson doing with it now? Still paying his way up the ranks?"
^
This was written by me(inzanity) in another topic where Nova RO was claiming all my accusations where childish and baseless. So i(Inzanity) wrote him that.
Quote"Lol, you're poverty statements make me giggle.
stay poor."
Clearly shows what kind of players and interaction between him and the Staff is going around the server. Take my advice. DO NOT start playing on Nova RO. There is no reason for PVE because the economy so broken you can buy everything with a few millions. Admins made bad bad bad decisions in the early stages of the server (Such as implemented Trans ONLY WoE to a renewal server with full access to Vellum Weapons and Gears. It was a oneshot fest.) The only players left actively playing the servers are players with +14 Weapons , etc. So if you think you got a chance, think again.
There is no way to successfully communicate with these admins. If you try to share your opinion on the forums, you'll get banned by a guy called Panic. He will refer to the rules they've set up which basically lets them ban anyone that is offending to them. And they are easily offended. If you try to voice your opinion in #main, you'll get a similar response: Either they refer you back to the forum, which you already got banned from, or they mute/ban you for being offensive. Yes, they're that easily offended. They also seem to believe that it's ok for them to break this rule about respect by, for example, stalking players in towns and reading someone's guild chat.
No one should be banned for having an opinion.
The server is only 30~ Active Players at the moment. The rest are AFK alts and merchants. Dont be fooled by the online counts. Prontera is very empty, there is no one to party or pvp with. All legit players left, theres only one guild and a few straying people left on the server.
I'm really not sure if you're being serious or not. Almost everything you posted from harassing to exploiting the server... You deserve the punishment you received. Beside Kiel card, both party should have been banned.
Nova was stupid when he decided to talk to another player about bans. So what to the the transparency, any and all server where the main staff are playing will always be question.
If you continue to act like this, you will be a toxic player to any server. Maybe you will find a server with the same amount of humor as you to understand your provoking jokes.
Side Topic: If I remember correctly, you were a GM in OriginalRO. I remember your tone was very different when you were a GM.
Quote from: flyingheo on Jan 11, 2015, 11:35 AM
I'm really not sure if you're being serious or not. Almost everything you posted from harassing to exploiting the server... You deserve the punishment you received. Beside Kiel card, both party should have been banned.
Nova was stupid when he decided to talk to another player about bans. So what to the the transparency, any and all server where the main staff are playing will always be question.
If you continue to act like this, you will be a toxic player to any server. Maybe you will find a server with the same amount of humor as you to understand your provoking jokes.
Side Topic: If I remember correctly, you were a GM in OriginalRO. I remember your tone was very different when you were a GM.
What does me being a GM on another server have ANYTHING to do with Nova RO?
And clearly you did not read the post. Getting muted and main banned for asking for GM reasoning (No harassing, threatining, simple nice asking) is fair? Getting forum banned for agreeing with peoples suggestions is fair? Alright mate. Read the post again fanboy.
I agree with flyingheo. You and your friends deserved bans from that dumb crap you pulled. Not to mention the offensive statements you made in your screenshots to players ( on main ) and the staff members. No matter what's going on, you should talk like an adult with the staff if you want any kind of mature resolution. You guys were clearly acting like jerks. I mean really, your comment about "all Americans are fat" is the worst, idiotic trolling attempt I've seen, 0.1/10. You could have done better than that, you waste of oxygen. Clearly a troll, and your comments to the GM were just plain asshattery along with the trolling.
On the same note, the GMs of that server aren't any better than you, and the bit with the Kiel card seems like a pretty big red flag for corruption. They seem rather immature and incompetent, but I'm sure some of that is from your extremely biased post here. I sincerely hope the server fails and they never get hired as GMs anywhere, as they would surely be corrupt and lead to the downfall of any server they join.
All in all, you and your friends are massive **** who 100% deserved the bans you got, and that server should be shut down and its staff members should never become GMs again anywhere. I don't know anything about any of you guys except what I've read, and it's blatantly obvious how biased and just plain stupid this thread is. You must have a lot of time on your hands to make troll threads, you should stop skipping class and finish highschool.
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 11, 2015, 11:43 AM
What does me being a GM on another server have ANYTHING to do with Nova RO?
And clearly you did not read the post. Getting muted and main banned for asking for GM reasoning (No harassing, threatining, simple nice asking) is fair? Getting forum banned for agreeing with peoples suggestions is fair? Alright mate. Read the post again fanboy.
Of course you being a GM on another Server is important especially how your tone change in different role on the server. I remember reading some of the posted made by you to Nova's staff. It's pretty easy to remember who is who on RMS after a dramatic 'rant'. However, if you think this is not important. That is fine.
Let's get down to the basic, do you believe what you did was correct? Do you believe that everything you did on NovaRO is correct in the eyes of society? Not your own view, but the society as a whole. You use obesity as a starter topic. You abuse a bug. If it doesn't hurt the economy because you didn't release any of the gold coin, does that mean it's right to take it from the beginning? If Nova didn't fix your little tricks, does that means Nova is incompetent at fixing bugs? You think I am a fanboy, yay me.
Admit it. Two wrong does not make a right. Sad enough, you still can't admit you're wrong. You deserve getting Ban. Nova deserve this thread, he should have kept all ban to himself. He should not talk to any player about other players.
I hope you will have fun in your next server.
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pictures - when even 10000 words wouldnt be enough to describe that moment when you enter threads like this
Quote from: flyingheo on Jan 11, 2015, 11:58 AM
Of course you being a GM on another Server is important especially how your tone change in different role on the server. I remember reading some of the posted made by you to Nova's staff. It's pretty easy to remember who is who on RMS after a dramatic 'rant'. However, if you think this is not important. That is fine.
Let's get down to the basic, do you believe what you did was correct? Do you believe that everything you did on NovaRO is correct in the eyes of society? Not your own view, but the society as a whole. You use obesity as a starter topic. You abuse a bug. If it doesn't hurt the economy because you didn't release any of the gold coin, does that mean it's right to take it from the beginning? If Nova didn't fix your little tricks, does that means Nova is incompetent at fixing bugs? You think I am a fanboy, yay me.
Admit it. Two wrong does not make a right. Sad enough, you still can't admit you're wrong. You deserve getting Ban. Nova deserve this thread, he should have kept all ban to himself. He should not talk to any player about other players.
I hope you will have fun in your next server.
No, me being GM or writing in xy tone to xy person has absolutely nothing to do how i got banned or how incompetent novas staff is. Please use your brain. And read again.
I did not say anywhere us being banned was omfg bbq the wrong decision. Obviously abusing a super easy to abuse NPC, that clearly many other people have aswell is not fine and should be dealt with accordingly. If you actually did read the f*** post, you would have seen that were allowed to keep playing (final verdict) on new accounts. We made new accounts, we kept playing. And then people got banned again..for nothing. For stating our opinion on a completely differnt topic, no abusing, no exploiting, no trolling, no harassing, nothing. And yes, Nova tells the entire server about everything so eh. Atleast something you realised from this topic.
im having fun on my next server, thanks.
Judging from the RedditRO threads.This played out just as expected.
Nova's team is incompetent, but also inexperience.
Even worse than RedditRO is that donations and unfair treatment is actually speculated.
If your guild doesn't care about the server or the community, then why play on such a small servers?
This kid is so dumb.
"Half my pay cheque" lol please.
Yeah i offered on the kiel card, then asked nova if that was alright, he said it wasnt.
So i didnt buy it. Simple as that. Get your facts straight before you write a novel of non sense.
I sent you that message because you guys were always picking at me
saying ohh i spent all this money on this game.
Sorry that I can have a good job and have extra money to do what I please with.
Reason I didnt get banned is cause I didnt "buy" a kiel card
So what am i going get banned for?
You guys got banned cause were constantly pestering others/cheating/abusing.
Simple as that.
Funny Addison. You didnt get banned because you didnt buy it.
Objection got banned because he didnt sell it.
Thank you, you just confirmed corruption. There you have it guys. =)
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 11, 2015, 01:26 PM
No, me being GM or writing in xy tone to xy person has absolutely nothing to do how i got banned or how incompetent novas staff is. Please use your brain. And read again.
I did not say anywhere us being banned was omfg bbq the wrong decision. Obviously abusing a super easy to abuse NPC, that clearly many other people have aswell is not fine and should be dealt with accordingly. If you actually did read the f*** post, you would have seen that were allowed to keep playing (final verdict) on new accounts. We made new accounts, we kept playing. And then people got banned again..for nothing. For stating our opinion on a completely differnt topic, no abusing, no exploiting, no trolling, no harassing, nothing. And yes, Nova tells the entire server about everything so eh. Atleast something you realised from this topic.
im having fun on my next server, thanks.
You really believe that your opinion at different position does not matter? When you're a GM, everything that you're doing now will be consider wrong and be on some type of blacklist. However, when you're a player. You're just trying play. Your Double Standard sucks.
After breaking so many rules. You believe your second chance comes without any strings? What you did was plain stupid. I'm not saying the Nova is right. I'm stating that your behavior itself in any server will come to the same consequences. If you don't get ban, then you either change or the server is just as toxic as you. As a human being, you should know how to strike a normal conservation without the need of provoking anyone. Your job does not give you the right to behave this way to anyone. Yea. You work as a trainer, so who is paying you to typing this crap on NovaRO? If no one, then no one is expecting you to be an donkey so they can lose weight. Grow up.
How much do I like NovaRO? Don't really care much for it. Just your post is interesting. Especially with all the stuff that you did.
@Bue: You're right. NovaRO future doesn't look that bright.
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 11, 2015, 03:52 PM
Funny Addison. You didnt get banned because you didnt buy it.
Objection got banned because he didnt sell it.
Thank you, you just confirmed corruption. There you have it guys. =)
Objection got banned cause he was abusing the system before hand just as you guys did.
Confirmed Corruption?
You're plain idiotic.
You call me donating to the server and stuff OP and stupid.
Sorry i support a server I like, and I have a proper education that racks me up a lot of money.
I worked hard for it, so I can gladly spend it on whatever I want.
Maybe once you get out of your non existent job or minimum wage paying job,
You can try again making another stupid Review, But a long with every other reply here saying your Opinion is retarded
I will say the same. Your opinion is retarded and is a waste of time to read, which is why I didnt even read it
I just CTRL+F and typed Addison, and low and behold, you're talking s***.
You deserved a ban, so did all your little clown guildies.
Man I feel bad for Leika, must be horrible for everyone there experiencing your torment.
I'm not about to read all of this. But I will explain the Kiel card situation as quickly as I can.
The player Objection had already been IP banned at one point, after discussion I decided to lift the IP ban and toned it down to a character ban, which their entire guild somewhat glad they were able to keep playing. After another mess, two of the members from the guild were permanently IP banned. Objection logs on one day, kills Kiel, gets the card, and starts trying to sell it.
No issues so far.
I hear word he's trying to sell the card for IRL money and that he has no intention of playing in the server, and at this point I decide to change my decision on the type of ban I wanted to go for.
Also, just for clarity, the Kiel card is banned away in the Objection account.
If anyone considers this is in any way shape or form "corruption", then your understanding of the word is very skewed.
On a different topic, while the Daily Rewards NPC was in theory "easy to abuse", no one had the malicious intent you guys did to actually go through with it. Logs exist for a reason, and I was very thorough in my search.
Edit: I would also like to hear out on why you're claiming I'm incompetent. If I honestly did something wrong, I'd be very willing to hear out your opinion and try to work on myself, but I believe I'm running a tight ship.
Second Edit: Why do I keep checking these things. There is actually quite a few vendors, 35 to be precise. Which means at this time, we have 50 actual online players, and there's two active WoE guilds as well as a few others that are building up for it. Here's a video of yesterday's WoE [:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhn2krik_oo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhn2krik_oo)
Again, please stop making senseless statements with no proof backing them. It's rather annoying.
OP was fairly comprehensive with the amount of information he provided here.
Aside from the drama, your server seems to be having common problems associated with:
1. the current renewal implementation.
2. non-standard athena configurations.
3. flaws in custom systems.
It appears that the players and guilds that you've banned are very valuable, that is, if you can earn their respect.
I've been in situations like this before, what is going on here has a much longer history and goes deeper than what non-nova players can understand or can be succinctly expressed by nova players.
It takes time for resentment from players to build up to this point where we get threads like these on RMS.
There seems to be a thing for guilds going around in servers and getting banned for being massive jerks. Reminds me of why I'm a solo player.
There's nothing wrong with being a jerk once in a while, as it makes things fun. You can't be nice all the time. Once in a while, that is.
Quote from: Bue on Jan 11, 2015, 06:19 PM
OP was fairly comprehensive with the amount of information he provided here.
Aside from the drama, your server seems to be having common problems associated with:
1. the current renewal implementation.
2. non-standard athena configurations.
3. flaws in custom systems.
It appears that the players and guilds that you've banned are very valuable, that is, if you can earn their respect.
I've been in situations like this before, what is going on here has a much longer history and goes deeper than what non-nova players can understand or can be succinctly expressed by nova players.
It takes time for resentment from players to build up to this point where we get threads like these on RMS.
And you're honestly believing 100% of what a player who was banned from the server is typing?
Point 1:
I've recently overhauled the source code and we're practically completely up to date with rAthena. When I started the server I didn't know too much about coding, and I've come a long way since then. The Reddit files were handy in learning, but by now most of the things from those times have already been phased out.
As for point 2, I really don't know what you're referring to, you'd have to elaborate a little further for me.
Point 3:
The Daily Rewards NPC had an IP and account check in place, these players used a VPN service to bypass the protection. Actively going out of their way to abuse it. There's more checks in place now.
While guilds are extremely valuable to have in a server, a group of people such as this one, that actively goes out of their way to harass everybody, and looks for exploits everywhere is not healthy for a community. It'll inflate the population, that's for sure. I don't mean this to disrespect every member of the guild, as quite a few of their members were great people, but their leadership was extremely difficult to deal with. One of the first days they joined, Gankaare specifically PM'd me telling me he'd be extremely disrespectful to people and call them names in order to rile them up and make competition for WoE. That's just not right.
And to expand a little further, only 3 people from the guild are banned. Inzanity, Objection, and Gankaare.
Inzanity and Objection were the two involved with the Gold Coin VPN abuse, while Gankaare was disrespectful towards everybody at all times.
The rest of the guild was not banned or punished in any way shape or form.
And haha, I just saw this:
(http://i.imgur.com/yydyKRM.png)
That was obviously me playing around and taken completely out of context, which seems to be a pattern here.
Do you honestly believe something typed in all caps was meant to be taken seriously?
"The punishment handed out was not for what was done, but what could potentially have been done. Basically, you shoplift a Snickers-bar, and get punished for bank robbery. We were punished for a crime we didn't commit, but might have."
There was more than 1,000 Gold Coins created this way, as of now, Gold Coins are selling between players for around 70k each.
Saying that you kept them in-guild doesn't make it any less bad.
Lets address the potentially misleading points (as opposed to the majority, where your friend, or you yourself were CLEARLY in the wrong)
Double standards from admins for not banning Zorthei who called Gankaare a retard? Sorry, but Zorthei had the guts to say what everyone was thinking. If your whole guild doesn't contribute to discussions in forums, and simply write "+1" as if that means something, how do you expect anyone to take what you, and your guild say seriously? Maybe if your guild started off speaking intelligibly, (as opposed to using every platform of communication available to you to only say either useless or inflammatory remarks) it would've been different. Act like an idiot, and you'll be treated like one.
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 11, 2015, 07:28 AM
NovaRO had a population of around 30-40 players, but 2000 seperate accounts. 500 of them were Novices, and it seemed pretty clear to us that we wouldn't be the first ones to make use of this exploit.
People have alts. Thats all there is to it. Not everyone is a cheating piece of scum (like you) "pretty clear" indeed.
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 11, 2015, 07:28 AM
There you have it. The final verdict was to allow us to keep playing, with our old accounts frozen and as for the gear it was still up to debate. However shortly after my guildmate got banned. I had a heated discussion with the admins about recent stalking of my guild and that lots of info from the admin team was leaking to a single guild (Tales of Ragnarok). Suddenly Tales of Ragnarok knew about everything and anything that happened and stuff we had done (or not done). After, once again, did show his nice power abusing/enforcing attitude on main chat, I told them how i feel about being treated like some animal in a cage on his server. My guildmate was just reading the main chat and after 10 minutes or so he got his account deleted for no reason.
One sided as always I see! Maybe good Tilly neglected to mention she said literally
EVERYTHING that had happened to you guys by coming to payon (where our guild was) and QQing to us....but no, OBVIOUSLY it was the admins leaking information....
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 11, 2015, 07:28 AM
So either he actually dumps half his paycheck into a private-server, or he gets them in a way thats exclusive to him. When asking Nova, he kept quiet about it, not wanting to share ANY details if it was legit or not. Why, I am asking myself. If its a legit 300k earned through honest ways, there would be no reason to hide anything. But they do and that shows clear signs of corruption.
Loving the conspiracy theories here. Did you consider the possibility that Nova has zero reason to give you any explanation as to how
other people pay for their cash points? "No reason to hide anything"? Maybe a buzz word like "privacy" might help you figure out why. Not giving you his (what? transactional records?) is a clear sign of corruption?
PS: Seems like you're grasping for straws near the end, maybe you should keep it concise, instead of adding your voodoo "I am asking myself" tinfoil hat garbage.
But hey, keep up the misinformation!
To your credit, most of the things you said about Green seem to have a few pertinent points, the guy can be a bit trigger happy, but he ends up reasonable(ish) eventually.
Quote from: Bue on Jan 11, 2015, 06:19 PM
It takes time for resentment from players to build up to this point where we get threads like these on RMS.
As for that statement,
(http://i.imgur.com/6BUp3TA.jpg)
It doesn't take much when it's 100% premeditated.
Quote from: NovaRagnarok on Jan 11, 2015, 04:33 PM
On a different topic, while the Daily Rewards NPC was in theory "easy to abuse", no one had the malicious intent you guys did to actually go through with it. Logs exist for a reason, and I was very thorough in my search.
Yeah right. That "no one had the malicious intent you guys did" phrase annoys me. Please see screenshot below.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2cxdk3p.jpg)
Before i join the server, there are already lots of novices on it. You wanna know why? Because some of your players already abused the bug for gold coins. To all the players who want to join this server, please think twice. The people staying there probably have some op weapons and equips. /heh
Quote from: NovaRagnarok on Jan 11, 2015, 04:33 PM
Edit: I would also like to hear out on why you're claiming I'm incompetent. If I honestly did something wrong, I'd be very willing to hear out your opinion and try to work on myself, but I believe I'm running a tight ship.
I believe you already knew that there are lots of bad reviews on your server. If you yourself can't recall what you did wrong, now that's the real problem. Very unhealthy for a leader or a GM on a server.
Quote from: NovaRagnarok on Jan 12, 2015, 01:29 AM
And haha, I just saw this:
(http://i.imgur.com/yydyKRM.png)
That was obviously me playing around and taken completely out of context, which seems to be a pattern here.
Do you honestly believe something typed in all caps was meant to be taken seriously?
I'm loving the hypocrisy here. You can "play around" while your players can't. Of course, who would mute a GM. Everybody will just kiss your *ss. /omg
QuoteI'm loving the hypocrisy here. You can "play around" while your players can't. Of course, who would mute a GM. Everybody will just kiss your *ss.[/color] /omg
Yeah, because joking around once is obviously the same as abusing #main every single day. Lol.
(http://i.imgur.com/yOzTSiN.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/wZDXyxV.png)
Having more novices than any other class is standard. People save names.
Here's screenshots from two other similarly sized servers. Stop grasping at straws.
There's literally one bad review on RMS, and it was written by the OP's sister.
There's also such a thing as going too far. I'm not sorry I have a sense of humor and feel comfortable joking around with my players, and I also don't punish people for these things. And if someone goes overboard I make sure to give them a friendly warning before any further action is taken.
Summation of topic if those who don't want to read it:
OP is throwing a fit over getting banned for acting incredibly stupid. Admins respond with logical fallacies.
I kinda fail to see the point in spying Guild Chat.
Quote from: NovaRagnarok on Jan 12, 2015, 01:29 AM
And you're honestly believing 100% of what a player who was banned from the server is typing?
...
Whats going on here isn't new at all.
Don't get caught up on playing admin.
#1. You've already told us that you're neither a system administrator nor a software engineer. Saying that you overhaul source code is a bit dramatic, especially when Athena is written in C. Otherwise, I would like to see you contribute to the repository, we'll need more people like you if that's the case. Athena isn't a perfect implementation of Ragnarok, just because you sync your repo doesn't mean you've fixed all your problems. (Ask playtester.)
#2. Unless you've a near perfect understanding and memorized all the game mechanics by heart, don't touch the battle configuration settings. If you do, then you need to re-balance the game content, otherwise your server is open for exploitation. And if you do re-balance the game content, then I hope you've analyze the database (/db) for metrics in doing so.
#3. Free daily rewards is simply a bad idea, unless these rewards are restrictive to the same account. It is not difficult to automate the entire process, if scriptkiddies get a hold of it, then this opens the Pandora box.
The fact that these guys can outsmart your systems and look for exploits on your server makes them very valuable.
And you don't need to necessarily go out of your way to prove them wrong; be decisive and leave it at that.
If you can at least acknowledge that there are some problems that lead to all this, then you should go and fixed that first.
You're only wasting your time here.
tl;dr - bad GMs poorly handle situations of bad players and don't realize the terrible design/gameplay designs they stole from other places (or perhaps even made themselves ugh)
you're welcome those who didn't want to read that wall of text
if this was handled by people with decent managerial skills then maybe it wouldn't be so outrageous, but this is the internet where a 16 year old can be in charge of a pack of brs and pinoys for the low low price of 20 buxxx a month (vps) and all the time they have to waste in their parents basement working on code/scripts they don't even understand (and then complain that the 'donations' barely cover 'minimum wage' for their 'work')
Interesting. If nothing else, I'll agree with the statement that I'm wasting my time replying to every thing being said.
I've yet to contribute much to rAthena but it's something I've considered doing more, though I can say I've at least contributed once.
And the last thing, I wasn't going out of my way to prove them wrong, I was trying to reason with them. But it seems that's considered being a bad admin somehow.
I'll stick to my methods, which have been working fairly great for me so far.
The second part of Tande's post seems completely out of place as well. But I guess this is Rant and Rave right?
Quote from: Tande on Jan 12, 2015, 10:48 PM
all the time they have to waste in their parents basement working on code/scripts they don't even understand
I'm so envious. Imagine not having to pay your mortgage, car payments, taxes, insurances, and utilities.
Sit around, watch anime, internet all day every day, and part time overlord on an mmorpg.
Quote from: NovaRagnarok on Jan 12, 2015, 11:07 PM
Interesting. If nothing else, I'll agree with the statement that I'm wasting my time replying to every thing being said.
In threads like these, showing some humility will gain you support and sympathy almost all the time.
Initial posters with bias on your server will back right off.
Opposition will realize there are consequences for their actions.
Had the initial response been:
"I'll admit that we have made some mistakes and the entire situation could have been handled better, but we're working hard on fixing the damages done on our server and the exploits these players were using. XYZ, I'll change the ban to X days for all three of you but <insert compromise and last chance here>."
You opened up an opportunity for them to make amends.
You show us and your team that you can be a leader.
You man up and continue to work hard.
You gain respect.
Things would have ended up differently and we would all be impress.
That's too bad though, I thought there was hope you actually learnt from RedditRO.
Quote from: NovaRagnarok on Jan 12, 2015, 11:07 PM
And the last thing, I wasn't going out of my way to prove them wrong, I was trying to reason with them. But it seems that's considered being a bad admin somehow.
I'll stick to my methods, which have been working fairly great for me so far.
You honestly feel like what you've been doing has been working fairly well? Interesting, especially when you...
discriminate anyone who doesn't share you opinion.
harass people that knows more than you.
try to act superior by pushing down the people around you.
are condescending towards everyone except your friends.
and finally,
try to censor everything that makes you look bad.
These are some fine qualities. You are a lot of other things as well. But how can you expect anyone to believe you when you can't even admit your own mistakes and then you try to put all the blame on your community?
Be the leader you would like to follow. I have a hard time believing you're happy with how things went. All matters can be solved in different ways and your way is not working "fairly great".
Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 03:27 AM
how can you expect anyone to believe you when you can't even admit your own mistakes and then you try to put all the blame on your community?
Seems a bit rich coming from you /heh
Quote from: NovaRagnarok on Jan 12, 2015, 11:07 PM
Interesting. If nothing else, I'll agree with the statement that I'm wasting my time replying to every thing being said.
I've yet to contribute much to rAthena but it's something I've considered doing more, though I can say I've at least contributed once.
I'll stick to my methods, which have been working fairly great for me so far.
Alright, keep it up. You go stick with your own methods. You just wait for another week or month and another negative thread about Nova ragnarok will come out from some of your players.
Quote from: NovaRagnarok on Jan 12, 2015, 11:07 PM
And the last thing, I wasn't going out of my way to prove them wrong, I was trying to reason with them. But it seems that's considered being a bad admin somehow.
Drop the act. It pisses me off. How you handle the problem on your server is so stupid. You act like the front liner and makes a good impression to everyone and your partner in crime which is GM Green is the one that has bad impression. You go reason with some of your players and giving them assurance that nothing bad will happen but in the end of the day, you will do the opposite and will say " i have discuss or talk with my co gm's and blah blah blah" "so we decided to blah blah".
Quote from: Innomite on Jan 12, 2015, 06:53 PM
I kinda fail to see the point in spying Guild Chat.
We are also aware that they can read guild chats. I lost my screnshot when one of the GM said "i know you guys think im stupid" and im like "how can you say that" then GM Green replied "because i've been reading your guild chat and blah blah".
Before the incident happened, i think we have a discussion on the guild a week ago about him being incompetent. They've been reading our chats like everyday looking for some dirt or something that will make my guild mates look bad so he can ban them. They are waiting for that opportunity to happen.
Quote from: Hummingbird on Jan 13, 2015, 06:17 AM
Drop the act. It pisses me off. How you handle the problem on your server is so stupid.
How about
you drop the act? What gives you the idea you have any right whatsoever to question other people's actions, when it was your own guild's actions (y'know, the exploiting - or did you forget?) that got them banned in the first place? Do you realise any "mistakes" the GM team
might have done, pales in comparison to what your guildmates
actually did?
Green might've spied on your guild chats, but he didn't need "dirt" to make you "look bad" (you were doing that fine by yourselves, without anyone's help) /heh /heh /heh /heh
So how about you
1. Stop pretending you were the victims
and 2. Get the
hell off that moral high ground you and your friends seem to LOVE taking.
As far as I'm concered, the
only mistake from the admins was not doing it sooner. /pif
OH! and regarding this:Quote from: Hummingbird on Jan 13, 2015, 06:17 AM
Alright, keep it up. You go stick with your own methods. You just wait for another week or month and another negative thread about Nova ragnarok will come out from some of your players.
I'd take that bet aaaaaaaaaanyday /ok
Quote from: eieiron on Jan 13, 2015, 09:26 AM
So how about you
1. Stop pretending you were the victims
Right now, you're contributing as much as the circle of idiots that are screaming "fight, fight, fight!" when two other people are at each others throat.
With all evidence we have provided, you still fan boy Manuel. So ask yourself, who's really pretending?
1. It's an "honest" review from a banned player. Of course it'd be negative. Who the hell would write a positive review after getting banned?
2. Just because you presented evidence doesn't mean people should believe. They're not obliged to believe you.
3. There aren't really any victims here. OP and crew are guilty of being jerks to the point of earning their well-deserved bans, and Nova's Admin is guilty of being imperfect (lol). Funny how everyone's imposing some sort of standards on everyone else, while failing it themselves.
@Nova admin - plenty of free adverts lately eh?
Quote from: Yozakura on Jan 13, 2015, 12:46 PM
2. Just because you presented evidence doesn't mean people should believe. They're not obliged to believe you.
@Nova admin - plenty of free adverts lately eh?
Funny how you defend someone like Manuel. Let's bring some
easy-to-understand real life examples to help you grasp the situation:
1. A threat
Imagine what would have happened if, during the cold war, one side started to use their atomic bombs. Their reasoning: "The other side could have done something with their bombs so we started."
Luckily, neither Soviet or America started to bomb each other and most of the population was unharmed.
Still believe that Manuel did the right thing even though his way of solving issues are by bombing first caused by his fear of a potential threat?
2. Violation of privacy
Imagine if someone was watching you all day, all night. Things like poking your nose would be awkward. If you have a paranoid dictator, you might get killed just for saying the wrong thing in your own home. You could never, truly discuss anything, and discussion is the first step of moving forward as a society.
Or do you believe that opinions should be silenced?
Depending on your answer, all readers will understand the level of intelligence you posses.
Quote from: Yozakura on Jan 13, 2015, 12:46 PM
3. There aren't really any victims here. OP and crew are guilty of being jerks to the point of earning their well-deserved bans,
A statement like this, when you don't know any of the people involved, makes you look like a person who doesn't respond to reason. If you want to be taken seriously, change.
Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 02:31 PM
Funny how you defend someone like Manuel. Let's bring some easy-to-understand real life examples to help you grasp the situation:
1. A threat
Imagine what would have happened if, during the cold war, one side started to use their atomic bombs. Their reasoning: "The other side could have done something with their bombs so we started."
Luckily, neither Soviet or America started to bomb each other and most of the population was unharmed.
Still believe that Manuel did the right thing even though his way of solving issues are by bombing first caused by his fear of a potential threat?
2. Violation of privacy
Imagine if someone was watching you all day, all night. Things like poking your nose would be awkward. If you have a paranoid dictator, you might get killed just for saying the wrong thing in your own home. You could never, truly discuss anything, and discussion is the first step of moving forward as a society.
Or do you believe that opinions should be silenced?
Depending on your answer, all readers will understand the level of intelligence you posses.
I don't know why you're assuming I'm siding with Nova. This is RMS, and this thread is an open discussion, isn't it.
1. Considering the screenshots both sides provided, and how you and your guild appear to act like total jerks on his server, publicly provoking people for the heck of it, on top of the exploit deal, what makes you think they'd just leave you be?
2. They already know you're capable of doing some stupid s***, what makes you think they wouldn't think of monitoring you? It's not like they were focused on you from day one. It's
his server, what's wrong with him reading your chat logs? He's not stalking your skype or facebook chats, right?
3. Why does it seem to offend you when I pointed out that people are not obliged to believe you? I'm merely pointing out the obvious. Yours is nothing more than one-sided "I'm telling the truth, f*** the other guy, if you disagree with me, you're stupid" argument.
Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 02:44 PM
A statement like this, when you don't know any of the people involved, makes you look like a person who doesn't respond to reason. If you want to be taken seriously, change.
Does it really matter? It's just another one of those countless threads with pretty much the same content anyways. Players do something stupid, admins respond in a way players don't like. Both sides are at fault. Anything new?
Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 11:26 AM
With all evidence we have provided, you still fan boy Manuel. So ask yourself, who's really pretending?
Uh...you? (or was this a trick question)? "Evidence"? Half Inzanity's evidence only damned yourselves, and the other half was conjecture based on Inzanity's...what? Animal instincts? Financial auditing skills?(lol).
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 11, 2015, 07:28 AM
So either he actually dumps half his paycheck into a private-server, or he gets them in a way thats exclusive to him. When asking Nova, he kept quiet about it, not wanting to share ANY details if it was legit or not. Why, I am asking myself. If its a legit 300k earned through honest ways, there would be no reason to hide anything. But they do and that shows clear signs of corruption.
This evidence? "Why, I am asking myself". "No reason to hide anything", and therefore, "clear signs of corruption". About as "clear" as a glass of milk I'd say... How about I present you with what another esteemed contributor of this thread said:
Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 02:31 PM
2. Violation of privacy
Imagine if someone was watching you all day, all night. Things like poking your nose would be awkward. If you have a paranoid dictator, you might get killed just for saying the wrong thing in your own home. You could never, truly discuss anything, and discussion is the first step of moving forward as a society.
"Violation of privacy" HMMMMMM....Ring any bells? THATS REASON ENOUGH FOR ME! /no1
Quote from: Hummingbird on Jan 13, 2015, 06:17 AMBefore the incident happened, i think we have a discussion on the guild a week ago about him being incompetent. They've been reading our chats like everyday looking for some dirt or something that will make my guild mates look bad so he can ban them. They are waiting for that opportunity to happen.
Or maybe
this "evidence"
Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 02:44 PM
A statement like this, when you don't know any of the people involved, makes you look like a person who doesn't respond to reason. If you want to be taken seriously, change.
Likewise, if you want to be taken seriously, get rid of the "evidence" composed solely of guesswork, and present real ones.
Conjecture and hearsay seem to be your main weapons on this thread. Either post something that's actually honest, (with none of that "I am asking myself" garbage), or stop with the pretense of giving a "review".
EDIT&offtopic(ish): WAIT WAIT WAIT I GOT THIS.Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 02:31 PM
Depending on your answer, all readers will understand the level of intelligence you posses.
IS THAT LIKE
Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 02:31 PM
1. A threat
?
This thread is nothing but people arguing logical fallacies. Please stop. It's causing intelligent people aneurysms.
@eieiron
It's a good thing that you're not anyones lawyer. Close to no one would ever take anything you said seriously.
Quote from: Gankare on Jan 14, 2015, 02:31 AM
@eieiron
It's a good thing that you're not anyones lawyer. Close to no one would ever take anything you said seriously.
Like I said, what evidence? /hmm
I made sure it says "banned player" in the topic title so that people dont come at me with "lel u got banned ofc u are mad".
People are way to stuck up on the ban. Also
@Nova
No it didnt take VPN to abuse your system. It takes a trip to a friend, to work, ot anywhere with a new IP to abuse it. In fact you can just reset your router or request a new IP. Takes a few seconds. People have been abusing this and you can stop lying we were the only ones. It doesnt matter TO WHAT EXTEND, the fact people generated more coins than foreseen is enough.
Our guild wasnt any more rude to other players, than the rest of the server. We didnt call out anybody, we didnt run around randomly in town to piss off people. If someone claims that id like to see their proof. We only act harsh if theres a reason to. For example the first thing we heard on the server was claims that we are corrupt. As a guild, how would you play if everyone is pointing guns at you right from the start, hm?
Gankaare's first ban was literally for saying "All americans are fat". Manual, not being american, took high offense, he, his mother and grandmother(probably not american either) and his friends were so terribly shaken that a ban was the only logical choice.
THIS IS A FACT. I wish i recorded all the skype conversations me, Tilly and Gankaare had with Nova and Green. You guys would laugh. And it would have all the evidence mr eisomething would need.
Im not mad for getting banned. Generating 10~15 dollars worth of gold coins i well knew that i could get banned anytime for it. If iwere to be mad and angry about it, id have written an entire different topic. Such as telling people "Nova sucks, he banned me for generating 15$. Bad bad admin". But i didnt. i made this topic to show much more than that. I dont have any reason to lie to you guys. Im already gone from that server, why would i need to lie now? And Nova lost many other players, not just us. Not to bans, but to extreme unprofesional behaviour. And that was the idea of this topic. To show what kinda People are leading Nova RO.
@Nova
You forget that we were also the most contributing people to your server. I want to point you towards the forums and players we got to your server (About 15 players). The suggestions, the things we reported, guides we wrote and all the chats between you and me. But how easy is it to forget such things, right?
I want to, yet again, make sure people understand the corruption here:
We were ALLOWED TO PLAY after the ban. On new accounts. We did. Objection made a new ranger, played happily. He talked happily and friendly with Nova. He finds a kiel card. Someone offers him real life money on a teamspeak server. (he didnt ask for money, he got offered money) That player (Addison) is still playing. Objection is banned. Its as simple as this. It doesnt matter what objection did in the past. You are treating players compltely different. Both are equally guilty. In fact addison is more guilty since he was the one to even start the real life currency deal. You decide to ban him but not addison. Dont you understand how biased and corrupt this is? It takes no 80 IQ to understand that.
I don't know about the 80 IQ but it is very clear to us, who actually were there.
QuoteAddison tried to buy the Kiel Card with ingame Stuff. But all of our guildmates friends got banned from the server so he didnt need anything on NovaRO.
So on the teamspeak server, he asked Addison what he is gonna offer for the card. Addison replied with "money is no problem".
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but according to your first post, Addison first made the attempt with ingame items. Dude with Kiel declined saying that he didn't want anything from NovaRO, most likely because he would not be playing there since the guild was moving to a different server. Common sense would be "I guess he doesn't want anything I can offer him from the game". So if he asks Addison what he/she can offer afterwards on TeamSpeak, you're kind of limiting it to stuff outside of the game, to which in most properly run servers is against the rules. Addison goes to the GM asking if its okay to do this, GMs say no. Dude with Kiel doesn't go to the GM to see if this is ok, GMs now find this fishy and act on it. Perhaps the ban was a bit overzealous, but if the person in question had been banned before, came back and broke the rules again, you can't really say the ban was unwarranted.
Again, trying to cover up the corruption with useless info.
perhaps, yes indeed, you are missing something here. He didnt decline, he simply said he doesnt need anything on this server. hes playing somewhere else. Addisson could have simply donated for him on another server or gave him items on naother server and receive the kiel card in return. Would have been perfectly legit, not against the rules. No. Instead HE SAYS INGAME "such things are not discussed ingame, come to 'that' TS Server so we can discuss this". <- proof alone he was about to break the rules. He then ASKS THE GM IF ITS OK TO BREAK THE RULES XDDDD Damn bro. Its like me asking if its okay to dupe items. Obecjtion (dude) wasnt even playing the server, leave alone talking to people there. he simply logged in once in a few days to check whats up. Youre telling me he got banned for leaving the card in his inventory and not logging in? Nice corruption and power abuse. Sorry ure just trying to cover something up thats just so obvious in the open. Its like trying to tell me French magazine ppl didnt get killed by jihads.
Should just drop the act, really.
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 14, 2015, 07:02 PM
Its like trying to tell me French magazine ppl didnt get killed by jihads.
L.M.F.A.O.
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 14, 2015, 07:02 PM
Again, trying to cover up the corruption with useless info.
perhaps, yes indeed, you are missing something here. He didnt decline, he simply said he doesnt need anything on this server. hes playing somewhere else. Addisson could have simply donated for him on another server or gave him items on naother server and receive the kiel card in return. Would have been perfectly legit, not against the rules. No. Instead HE SAYS INGAME "such things are not discussed ingame, come to 'that' TS Server so we can discuss this". <- proof alone he was about to break the rules. He then ASKS THE GM IF ITS OK TO BREAK THE RULES XDDDD Damn bro. Its like me asking if its okay to dupe items. Obecjtion (dude) wasnt even playing the server, leave alone talking to people there. he simply logged in once in a few days to check whats up. Youre telling me he got banned for leaving the card in his inventory and not logging in? Nice corruption and power abuse. Sorry ure just trying to cover something up thats just so obvious in the open. Its like trying to tell me French magazine ppl didnt get killed by jihads.
Should just drop the act, really.
I'm not too sure what act to drop? The act that i'm a random passerby looking for a server after 2 years of not playing? Never played RO in a while, thought of getting back into it, NovaRO was one of the servers I was contemplating playing on and saw this thread on the front page of RMS and decided to check it out. Thought it would be a good insight of a server like I believe you thought it would be, but instead its a long post of poor choices of screenshots as they either show you in a negative light or are taken out of context in hopes that it can be used in some way to fling mud at a server regardless of how weak the screenshot that is used. The rest are all these "air quotes" that anyone can type up and then you expect the rest of us randoms to believe you. If we don't believe you and actually post something that has some form of argument that finds one of the many holes in your argument were are then called to have low IQ or that we are defending the server and told to drop the act. The only positive part of your post is your signature, I do hope you keep updating your signature in hopes that when I do look for servers, I can keep a tab on which server to avoid. I'd rather avoid you and your friends if this whole debacle is a tell of how you would act ingame as well.
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 14, 2015, 01:35 PM
I made sure it says "banned player" in the topic title so that people dont come at me with "lel u got banned ofc u are mad".
Yeah, and I commend you for that. It is an honest review indeed.
Quote from: Alwyn on Jan 15, 2015, 12:56 AM
The rest are all these "air quotes" that anyone can type up and then you expect the rest of us randoms to believe you. If we don't believe you and actually post something that has some form of argument that finds one of the many holes in your argument were are then called to have low IQ or that we are defending the server and told to drop the act.
We have over one hour of skype/team speak conversations. Would you want to listen to them? Or are you going to complain some more about random stuff? Bad weather in your home town? :)
Please do. The conversation would actually hold more merit than 99% of what you guys have contributed here. I do hope that it's actual substantial evidence against the server and not an hour of you guys either deciding who to harass next, which thing to abuse or how it's unfair that an admin team is be suspicious of you guys for doing things that are against the rules.
How is anything out of context. Have you been paying attention?
Every case was clearly documented, we added screens of chat bans etc to make sure its not some false claim/lie. And no, again you dont read. I applaud you for taking your time reading all this, and thats all i ever wanted in the first place, but you need to not just read and then forget and only nitpick on details you think are not right. But to also look at the entire picture. For example, not many posts ago i said we are not like that, unless we are provoked and misstreated first. Yet you are like "omg im gonne avoid servers u play on if you act like that". You dont even know how we act, you have never seen us ingame. You can only build an estimate from what we have shown and told you. And nowhere do i believe have we shown or said that we are scumbag trolls trying to piss off anyone and their mother. Manuel and his friend knew us from a previous server HE GOT BANNED FROM for misbehaviour and has been doign still such as impersonating one of guild members. But this has been long in the past and we enjoyed playing on novaRO well knowing that there was bad blood between us 1 year ago. We thought these admins were profesional enough. But they werent, getting banned for saying a nation is fat is like so exaggerated. Considering the fact he isnt even american. With such an attitude you cannot lead a server.
Dont get me wrong. NovaRO has good traits too, else we wouldnt have played it. But sadly they dont outweight the negative aspects of the foundation.
Ps: I like people avoid the kiel card corruption case =)
Quote from: eieiron on Jan 13, 2015, 09:26 AM
I'd take that bet aaaaaaaaaanyday /ok
I take it back. Nobody is going to make negative thread again on Nova RO, you wanna know why? COZ NOBODY IS GOING TO PLAY ON THAT SERVER! HA!
Say what you want to say, nothing will change. You will not get back the players that you have lost. The only one staying there are those people who donated tons of $_$.
Quote from: Alwyn on Jan 15, 2015, 12:56 AM
I'm not too sure what act to drop? The act that i'm a random passerby looking for a server after 2 years of not playing? Never played RO in a while, thought of getting back into it, NovaRO was one of the servers I was contemplating playing on and saw this thread on the front page of RMS and decided to check it out. Thought it would be a good insight of a server like I believe you thought it would be, but instead its a long post of poor choices of screenshots as they either show you in a negative light or are taken out of context in hopes that it can be used in some way to fling mud at a server regardless of how weak the screenshot that is used.
We have seen so many flaws on that server. You wouldn't want to waste your time on that. There are lots of new server around. You might want to try them. Well, if you love seeing merchants on the server, you may stay there. /no1
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 15, 2015, 01:18 PM
How is anything out of context. Have you been paying attention?
Every case was clearly documented, we added screens of chat bans etc to make sure its not some false claim/lie. And no, again you dont read. I applaud you for taking your time reading all this, and thats all i ever wanted in the first place, but you need to not just read and then forget and only nitpick on details you think are not right. But to also look at the entire picture. For example, not many posts ago i said we are not like that, unless we are provoked and misstreated first. Yet you are like "omg im gonne avoid servers u play on if you act like that". You dont even know how we act, you have never seen us ingame. You can only build an estimate from what we have shown and told you. And nowhere do i believe have we shown or said that we are scumbag trolls trying to piss off anyone and their mother. Manuel and his friend knew us from a previous server HE GOT BANNED FROM for misbehaviour and has been doign still such as impersonating one of guild members. But this has been long in the past and we enjoyed playing on novaRO well knowing that there was bad blood between us 1 year ago. We thought these admins were profesional enough. But they werent, getting banned for saying a nation is fat is like so exaggerated. Considering the fact he isnt even american. With such an attitude you cannot lead a server.
Dont get me wrong. NovaRO has good traits too, else we wouldnt have played it. But sadly they dont outweight the negative aspects of the foundation.
Ps: I like people avoid the kiel card corruption case =)
The out of context one is the "Behave yourself little Missy" one. Nova explain in a later post it was out of jest, and based on all the other screenshots you yourself provided, Nova looks like he types professionally and the incident with the abuse of caps lock seems very out of place compared to the rest. The fact that you are using it as strong evidence against him gives me the idea that you actually don't have a whole bunch to work with, so you use whatever small things you have to throw at them. Your first screenshot already puts you in a negative light, as it shows that you guys have no problem provoking people into arguments. So already here you've kind of lost me believing you guys are in the right.
The next thing that makes your argument really weak is the person you are actually speaking for. Apparently this is all through Gankaare, fortunately there is a person in this thread similar to his name. Instead of using strong examples to support his argument he quickly questions other people's characters instead of their arguments. I don't find it particularly helping your case when you have Gankare here questioning if people's IQ is greater than 80, being actually pretty difficult to reason with and just in general targets characteristics of people instead of the argument they present. Which kind of makes your whole argument of being unfairly forum banned kind of redundant, since he's showing reasons to why he was banned in the first place.
You ask me not to nitpick and look at the big picture. Unfortunately when you're making a case for anything, its the small things that add up to the big picture so i can't ignore them. You're whole argument is "Nova GMs are stupid and corrupt." Which is fair, but when you look at the small details trying to support that, you have many things, but not very many of them are actually strong enough to support your argument. "I got banned on main for provoking people". Your suppose to convince me that yes the GMs are stupid and corrupt, but when you have fellow members spew out questionable ones like "GMs are spying on guild chat, that's an invasion of privacy" and "GM would sell his friends out for an MvP card, what kind of person is that?" it reeks of desperation to find anything to make the GMs look bad.
We can also go back to the Kiel Card incident if you want. In one of your post you make the argument that Addison could've just gone to whichever server you were playing on and donate there as payment and say that is different then Addison giving you money. Common sense says that's actually the same thing and not another loophole you guys are trying to find, Addison is still giving you money, just not directly and through a different server. Items found in one server should hold no value on a different server. Obviously Addison is going to ask the GM is that's ok, they have the most to lose if it gets caught that they have the card. Objection isn't going to be there to get punished, he plays on a different server, Addison on the other hand loses everything if they went through with the transaction. You also question why people are ignoring the Kiel incident, you're whole argument for it has no screenshots and its all "he said, she said" from all parties involved.
You then ask how I can judge you guys without playing with you.
QuoteYou dont even know how we act, you have never seen us ingame. You can only build an estimate from what we have shown you and told you.
This is what most people call first impressions, and if you dont think first impressions are important, then perhaps you should change that view. You then proceed to tell me that you have not shown that you are "scumbag trolls trying to piss off anyone and their mother", yet in your first post, you were a'ok to call a nation fat in 'hopes of raising awareness', you also mentioned that you wanted to exploit the Gold Coin system they had, you have Gankare here questioning people's IQ and you yourself questioning my ability to understand what you've put forward. So yes i've based my whole judgment on everything
you have said about you guys. Why bother playing on the same server with people who thinks its ok to go on Main and provoke people, see what things they can exploit and when they get punished feel like they didn't do anything that warranted them getting punished?
I've probably spent too much server searching time on this thread. Probably wont post anymore, I feel like I have said unfortunately more than enough in attempt to reason with you guys.
Naw its fine. I actually gotta agree with some things you have said.
I mean i could have worked more on the topic to make sure people can see which screen/chat was used by either me, gankaare or another person from our circle. More than one person worked on the entire text and screens and formatting and what not, so what seem like small detail to you, migh have been more important to someone else. Also opinions will always crash as to what is relevant and what isnt. As for the Kiel card exchange, theres no need for screens and chatlogs, because it has all been confirmed by all parties that the same lines were used, so its kinda obvious there.
Its actually not right to throw us all into the same pot, when one person (Gankaare) offends you or seems unreasonable. Im merely questioning your thought process and shoving everything off as, but as i said before, that is probably partly my fault for not making certain things more clear.
Well, from the posts here, you should have realised that we actually know how to converse properly and dont just "provoke people to raise awareness". in fact thats Gankaares own thing. But its the internet you know. Cussing, trolling, provoking is your daily meal, its always on every server. And if you act like a little kid about it (such as they have) its not gonna get you far in the long run.
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 15, 2015, 08:30 PM
But its the internet you know. Cussing, trolling, provoking is your daily meal, its always on every server. And if you act like a little kid about it (such as they have) its not gonna get you far in the long run.
Just because it's commonplace, it doesn't mean it should be left unchecked. Stop questioning other people's maturity just because they don't agree with the stupidity that permeates everything your friends say.
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 11, 2015, 07:28 AM
One of our unbanned guild members then spoke to one of Addisons guild members. He told us a few days later that Addison(Courtney) got the Kiel card. Apparently he "bought" it from our guildmate.
He did not get the card. Does that settle the "kiel card corruption case"? An unnamed guild member got info from an unnamed member of Addisons guild and you believe everything that person said (if this discussion even happened, that is)? Like you said, it's the internet you know. Lying occurs there too.
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 11, 2015, 07:28 AM
The only players left actively playing the servers are players with +14 Weapons , etc. So if you think you got a chance, think again.
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The server is only 30~ Active Players at the moment. The rest are AFK alts and merchants. Dont be fooled by the online counts. Prontera is very empty, there is no one to party or pvp with. All legit players left, theres only one guild and a few straying people left on the server.
More facts pulled straight out of your rectum. /heh
Quote from: inzanity on Jan 15, 2015, 08:30 PM
But its the internet you know. Cussing, trolling, provoking is your daily meal, its always on every server. And if you act like a little kid about it (such as they have) its not gonna get you far in the long run.
That's one thing. Expecting people to take you seriously with that kind of attitude is another. You can be a troll, you can be a jerk; suit yourself, that's no problem. But don't expect us to take you seriously. People can be jerks to you too. Just because you don't like their response doesn't make it more inappropriate than your behavior.
But then again, to each his own, and suit yourselves.
Where logic fails, fanaticism takes over.
Quote from: Gankare on Jan 16, 2015, 02:45 AM
Where logic fails, fanaticism takes over.
Where false evidence fails, nice sounding one liners with no relevance take over
Quote from: Gankare on Jan 16, 2015, 02:45 AM
Where logic fails, fanaticism takes over.
Quote from: eieiron on Jan 16, 2015, 03:04 AM
Where false evidence fails, nice sounding one liners with no relevance take over
Where taking over fails, what does that leave us with?
Quote from: The Fury on Jan 16, 2015, 03:53 AM
Where taking over fails, what does that leave us with?
The realisation that the accusations were unfounded I guess /no1
i stopped reading after the first incident because it's enough to make anyone realize that the GM of this server is an incompetent moron
you literally entered the chat room with the best of intentions and he did nothing other than try to slaughter them
as for everyone trying to argue against this guy, you shouldn't be in such a rush to prove you're an idiot
Quote from: Blinzer on Jan 19, 2015, 09:56 PM
you literally entered the chat room with the best of intentions and he did nothing other than try to slaughter them
Communication is key, but the key might not always fit. We tried, many times, to find common ground. We were shot down, every time.
Okay I have to explain here the Truth about the Kiel card there ( Iam the Owner of it and also the guy who found the Card)
The Card got deleted after i did the talking with Addison he would never buy the card from Nova because after the Whole s*** Storm here and everywhere else he left the server (2Weeks later or so).
I think as an EX-Member of the guild i can say What we have done was bad ofcourse some solutions of The gm staff was kinda Overreacting but it was our fault that we got banned.
So guys outthere dont trust everything what people say i did the same mistake.
II R.I.P
Greetz Objection /no1
Just woke up this morning and was skimming through RMS seen this even though it is a old post just made me laugh I have been playing ro since 2000/2001 and have been a Gm on a couple servers even one of my own. Now that being said what said person did he did deserve it what he could of done is just stoped after he got the first warning and ban and left it at that but he didnt. he continued to make new accounts just to start stuff. "who cares if you are a body builder,trainer if people want to be fat that is there choice same with religion anytime someone brings in religion everyone gets butt hurt. That is why you dont bring i into anything. that being said just grow up lol you got butthurt and were already tilted but continued and continued. if it was me on my old server i would of done same and or just banned you at the start to stop the further annoyance.
Quote from: Lumpsinthenight on Jan 19, 2017, 11:44 AM
I have been playing ro since 2000/2001 and have been a Gm on a couple servers even one of my own.
nice joke fam, RO didn't exist in 2000
:o
I thought this server was perfect, I guess not :o
Once upon a time, I would have been quick to agree and feel sorry for you.
Now, I know better.
Once upon a time, on a FPS game server, a new player arrived called Sewsaurus. He was craftier than you with the way he provoked others, invisibly subtle with the insinuations no one ever actually said, slyer with how he garnered sympathy for being the underdog and constantly picked on. When we finally realized what he had done, our community was almost completely broken. His game was to look for two types of people: people who could be provoked, and those who would feel sorry for him. He enraged the one and sought refuge with the other, feeding the a machine and posing the victims as the attackers.
You sir, are not so clever.
Not once have you apologized or shown any remorse for your big mouth; your entire purpose here is a lie of 'modesty' in hopes to hurt the server via population. You, sir, are still a troll and you got far more patience than you deserved.
Maybe we should have let Sewsarus continue unbanned. It would have ruined my taste for gaming and I would not be here reading your childish petulance now.
Quote from: Blinzer on Jan 19, 2015, 09:56 PM
i stopped reading after the first incident because it's enough to make anyone realize that the GM of this server is an incompetent moron
you literally entered the chat room with the best of intentions and he did nothing other than try to slaughter them
as for everyone trying to argue against this guy, you shouldn't be in such a rush to prove you're an idiot
you're a complete idiot. you only half read the post and didn't pay attention to the side of the accused and ended up trashing on someone who is not nearly as guilty as you implied. they even ended up being very helpful and nice to you, and here it is coming back to haunt you
reading it over properly this time, i don't think nova is the bad guy here but i don't think the op is a bad guy either, as his approach to the situation was pretty reasonable and he formulated some well thought out ideas. words are words at the end of the day, they don't warrant physical action unless the person using them actually intends to act off of them. that's a perfectly valid point whether or not the person using them is using them for malicious reasons
spamming up a chat
is an action, though, and is not good. you need to respect public areas, you can't just go around s*** them up. nova only issued a temporary suspension from what i see though, which is basically a way of saying "i don't want to get rid of you, but you can't keep doing this man". i am highly against the use of force as i think anyone can be brought to reason, but i also don't know exactly how much patience was put into this situation before taking action.
that being said, leave the dead posts in the dead. a lot of the time they don't represent what people think now.
Quote from: Lai on Jan 21, 2017, 10:22 PM
:o
I thought this server was perfect, I guess not :o
clown. what's the point of this post? you're just trying to get a quick hit in for show and play it off like you're not doing anything sinister. retract your petty behavior, you pathetic excuse of a leader.
I don't know what is true or not about this whole post, but I can attest that Nova is very short-tempered and gets irritated and/or offended by anything.
Having said that, I believe he is not a corrupt administrator and tries his best to keep the server running. So I have my doubts that he's the one at fault here.
Quote from: JuicyJuices on Apr 17, 2017, 07:43 AM
I don't know what is true or not about this whole post, but I can attest that Nova is very short-tempered and gets irritated and/or offended by anything.
Having said that, I believe he is not a corrupt administrator and tries his best to keep the server running. So I have my doubts that he's the one at fault here.
You already have two different threads of your own, ranting about Nova. Did you really need to revive a dead thread just to rant about him some more?
Thread closed.-X.