Project Alfheim is back

[Xellie]

I'm alright with you feeling that way. 

Anyway, actually on topic, proper Alfheim review good and bad? I'd been thinking about it for a long time.

The good

• Server isn't stuck in the same content that most pre-re servers are.
• Customized dungeons are fun
• Renewal -> pre-renewal conversions are always great
• There's so much to do compared to the average pre-re server.
• QOL like item captor and warp points should be on every server
• Supply farming is pretty streamlined and brewing too
• 30 min inn buffs reduce the need for dual logging (as do buffed convertor durations etc)
• Partying is valuable
• I like costumes!
• No real p2w methods
• MVP instances without card drops enable everyone to get MVP loot. (except my hilarious bad luck with nyd?)

The bad

• Options and some gear lead to some wild powercreep. Well not creep, jumps. But it's fun in its own way if you can do the same back. That means "standard" woe/pvp metas are different. I guess good or bad in this regard is subjective
• BG modes suck.
• There's no vanilla pvp room where you can use everything you want.
• Leech for loot broke the need for newer players to be involved in parties and gain zeny. It's being fixed but the economy took a hit.
• Population kinda low, but there are still parties most times of day.

The Ugly

• The website looks like a teenage girl's bedroom. (sorry not sorry charlie)

[wowzers]

Nothing to do with telling everyone to leave and posting lies all over RMS and driving people away then? Of course you're bored.

But just because you are bored, doesn't mean the server is dead. Bye bye!

you clearly have no idea who you are responding to, says a lot about who's living rent free in your head

[ForgotMyOldAccount]

Never played Altheim never will but this thread is epic. This is how you can tell the woe is good.

[iixe]

WoE last year was mediocre on most days. Sadly the sunday FE fights turned out more fun then SE.
Admin attempted to change SE into something more serious with cap and stuff but ended up half baked like so many things he touched including not having basics like a whitelist, sandwhich/interfere rules and punishments for the rats that were too incapable to join or form a guild for woe and strayed around.

Despite Loco, this 24bpm wannabe and others raise their voice here for a moment its mostly dead nonetheless.

[Lunalepsy]

Social component is still there. People whine about a so-called "dead server" when P-Alf is hundreds strong at any given time of day and there are always parties recruiting to go to Odin, Niff, Byalan, etc. Episode 13 was implemented last week, too. I would suggest giving it a shot yourself or at least inquiring on the Discord, which is also very active with both players and staff.

It is dead. I already have like 4-6 characters. The social component is just dead and has no remedy. I moved to other servers, and the change of pace is amazing.  The best part of RO is the journey to 99, not reaching it, and Alfheim is not it. Good riddance to all the haters and good luck to those trying to keep the server running!

[Locobert]

WoE last year was mediocre on most days. Sadly the sunday FE fights turned out more fun then SE.
Admin attempted to change SE into something more serious with cap and stuff but ended up half baked like so many things he touched including not having basics like a whitelist, sandwhich/interfere rules and punishments for the rats that were too incapable to join or form a guild for woe and strayed around.

Despite Loco, this 24bpm wannabe and others raise their voice here for a moment its mostly dead nonetheless.

I don't know who you are, but I'm happy that I live rent free in your head. 

[Felione]

There are better RO servers than this one. The whole "multiclient" thing is just an excuse. Excellent game, terrible management.

Probably the most accurate statement in response to this server.

[Blinzer]

RO players are so negative lol.

[Felione]

RO players are so negative lol.

regardless of what you think, that community is dead, and was dead when I joined, which was likely more than a year ago now. When I tried to warn them about their issues, they just defended their way of thinking. Of course, this was only 4-6 people on discord who didn't represent a shread of what the majority of the server thinks. It was just a lost cause.

[Blinzer]

Here's a better idea though. Instead of sitting here talking about it, why don't you just let it be and devote your attention to something you think is worthy? There is no point in putting it down just for the sake of talking about it. I don't feel helped in any way by what you're explaining, and I'm sure that is the case for many.

You could be using that exact same word space in describing a solution to the problem you're presenting, but instead you're just talking about how much it's a problem.

[Xellie]

regardless of what you think, that community is dead, and was dead when I joined, which was likely more than a year ago now. When I tried to warn them about their issues, they just defended their way of thinking. Of course, this was only 4-6 people on discord who didn't represent a shread of what the majority of the server thinks. It was just a lost cause.

if 100 people say the server is dead why don't they talk to and play alongside each other?

[ForgotMyOldAccount]

Here's a better idea though. Instead of sitting here talking about it, why don't you just let it be and devote your attention to something you think is worthy? There is no point in putting it down just for the sake of talking about it. I don't feel helped in any way by what you're explaining, and I'm sure that is the case for many.

You could be using that exact same word space in describing a solution to the problem you're presenting, but instead you're just talking about how much it's a problem.

It's true but you have to remember that the majority of people who are in this community are essentially leeches who want a server with a large (non-toxic) community, good content, skillful devs, with no p2w in any shape or form while giving nothing in return. People fail to realize that most private servers are not for profit and ask the world from people who do it for free while contributing nothing of their own besides a handful of complaints. But this isn't specific to RO, it's just the way of the world. Contribute nothing and complain a lot, surely that'll get you what you want instead of contributing something meaningful.

[Felione]

Here's a better idea though. Instead of sitting here talking about it, why don't you just let it be and devote your attention to something you think is worthy? There is no point in putting it down just for the sake of talking about it. I don't feel helped in any way by what you're explaining, and I'm sure that is the case for many.

You could be using that exact same word space in describing a solution to the problem you're presenting, but instead you're just talking about how much it's a problem.

You don't require anymore help. You received help pages ago. The discussion devolved into like-minded agreements and mutual experiences. You're welcome for all of the relevant information that looms this server, and I hope you make a decision that suits your taste.

It's true but you have to remember that the majority of people who are in this community are essentially leeches who want a server with a large (non-toxic) community, good content, skillful devs, with no p2w in any shape or form while giving nothing in return. People fail to realize that most private servers are not for profit and ask the world from people who do it for free while contributing nothing of their own besides a handful of complaints. But this isn't specific to RO, it's just the way of the world. Contribute nothing and complain a lot, surely that'll get you what you want instead of contributing something meaningful.

I guess all those wonderful reviews and community involvement that feeds towards a healthier playerbase is hearsay. It's also strikingly strange that there are servers with a dedicated 20 players that continue to support financially and socially to attempt to build a community that isn't there. You also seem to have all the answers to what the people in this community want, so perhaps you have something valuable to say regarding this unfortunate incident which happens to be poor management, poor social skills, lack of community understanding and the benefit it has, and most importantly, communication with said community.

Take Return to Morroc for example: He literally hated his community for wanting things changed or asking for exp events. That is not an example of someone who wants to handle a community, but rather, get praise from what little support he can. I have my opinion on why he really closed things up, but I'm almost certain he is not telling us everything, or rather, conveniently skewing it.

Let's compare it to Muhro, which is a server I am slightly fond of, because they turned an opportunity, into a success, and continue that success. If you take a look on their site, observe their patch notes, and you will find VERY little is changed or applied each patch. It looks like, and most likely is, done by ONE person, if two. This already excuses the lack of resources. Secondly, their communication with the players is DAILY, and I mean, sometimes they just won't shut up. Why? because they are PART of the community, they are not the overlords, and they treat everyone equally, including any suck ups, which most recently Muh exhibited. Events are plentiful and actually engage everyone, making it almost pointless to level, when you can just do events all your ro life if that is the choice you decide to make. Their updates involve suggestions and are always within reason, making the experience ENJOYABLE, not something they ENvISION their server should be, but rather, what makes the PLAYERS happy.

It's a shocking comparison, because their resources are that of any other small community, but they manage a MID community, and it keeps growing daily. This is not a coincidence, but more of an understanding of the simple fact that people DO want a non-toxic server, and people DO want stability and accessibility. All of the things you mentioned, Muhro is trying to offer to their community, because they understand it's not just a PERSONAL PROJECT, but a community organized venture to help make it more enjoyable with participation, with choice, with variety, so that everyone has a place. If Muh and his wife can keep what Nova lost for this long, and even make it grow, then I guess simply listening to your majority community is the answer, isn't it? I don't know, it's just an observation.

[Blinzer]

You don't require anymore help. You received help pages ago.

I didn't read what was in pages ago, if I have to be honest with you.

Take Return to Morroc for example: He literally hated his community for wanting things changed or asking for exp events. That is not an example of someone who wants to handle a community, but rather, get praise from what little support he can. I have my opinion on why he really closed things up, but I'm almost certain he is not telling us everything, or rather, conveniently skewing it.

Yeahhh, no. Sorry.

Also, you highly underestimate how irresponsible and how much extra work it is to have players whine about every little thing as an admin. It is completely understandable for a human being to get pissed off at someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, even if it's not necessarily the best or most reasonable reaction to have.

[Metan]

Take Return to Morroc for example: He literally hated his community for wanting things changed or asking for exp events. That is not an example of someone who wants to handle a community, but rather, get praise from what little support he can. I have my opinion on why he really closed things up, but I'm almost certain he is not telling us everything, or rather, conveniently skewing it.

Ehh, you're mixing your personal opinions on the person in charge with your personal view of the server. These subjects do not always necessarily align, and they're certainly conflicting here; if they weren't, you'd realize the sheer work he put in his project, contrast it with the constant pressure of having to deal with a barrage of complaints, along with dolts who expect you to act like a PR hire, for free or at best for a pittance, every single day, and then surely you'd respect the context he was in. It gets worse when you realize that most of these professional screechers are grown men and women whose mental ages nonetheless seem stuck in time, your patience is bound to shorten when faced with this.

You can't be a nice guy in this environment for long, else you'll eventually get forced down in the food chain. OathRO is an unfortunate, but telling example of this: mired in such a cesspool, even a nice and reasonable man will go bonkers in ways that are unpredictable and rather harming, precisely because he's been overly indulgent. You could argue that he (Orn) exaggerated in his stance, and I wouldn't be one to argue about this only because I wasn't there to see it; but it is hard to attack the way he handled things in itself because it was a defense mechanism that may have been only too necessary, and he did it for free, for Heaven's sake.