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Retro was started as a collab between the staff and one of the guilds there because OriginsRo and Travels dont offer god items and this guild wanted god items so basical one of the guilds is a co-owner. My view is that this was "allowed" because the big guilds call the shots and only they were benefitting from it. Regular players wouldnt think to do a tactic like that

75/m hour on 1x isnt normal and it isnt just "well people in groups make more than people solo". Its exploitable

This sounds plausible, I once asked what characters they play and in what guild because I had suspicion that they were part of Skill Capped guild but they never told me and I doubt they don't play on their own server.

Who knows really, at this point anything is possible, refusing to act about this is a major red flag IMO.
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Retro was started as a collab between the staff and one of the guilds there because OriginsRo and Travels dont offer god items and this guild wanted god items so basical one of the guilds is a co-owner. My view is that this was "allowed" because the big guilds call the shots and only they were benefitting from it. Regular players wouldnt think to do a tactic like that

75/m hour on 1x isnt normal and it isnt just "well people in groups make more than people solo". Its exploitable
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I really am unaware to the defense issue, you could actually at some point farm the minions from boss monsters but now, you just kill the bosses
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Man, for all you harp on about objectivity and facts you sure do like making up your own backstory.

It is called "theorizing" I know people this days just live on social media, live off their big egos being fed by likes, retweets, upvotes etc and thinking that science and objective reality are a democracy...

We know that the GM's changed this because it was an absurd method of leveling up, on their own words:

  • "We apologise in any form that we did not listen to the concerns of players that warned us about it and this has only now become clear to us."
  • "We were naive back then, we never thought that our player would min max this to this extend." (said to me in a PM)

Assuming they are telling the truth then yes, it is fair to assume they didn't knew the whole story and the abusers hide this facts from them for a LONG time before they took action.

This is not new though, here is another example: The Steel body Monk bug that the guild Trap Lovers abused for months too, they were purposefully not clear on what they were doing while "reporting" the behavior to the GM's in order to hide their true intentions, they never outright said: "we are making a Monk that is essentially Fleeing damage through high Vit, receiving 0 damage" and when the GM's truly found out what they were doing they had to take action and they did NOT punish them for abusing this and telling them half truths in fact they even offered them a free character reset because this shameful people without scruples had even the guts to play victims blaming the GM's for fixing this bug because the poor them were going to lose their character they invested months on it, so the staff bent the knee for this abusers.

It is also safe to assume that this is the case that they truly never knew the scope of their desicion because they thought that defence was working as intended, one person asked: "is def currently bugged it feels you can mob infinity and not loose def" and the head administrator of the server answered: "Why you should lose def?".

This clearly shows that they really don't know much about ragnarok in general to me and that are prone to mistakes like this or really gullible and prone to be taken advantage by exploiters.

Now the alternative is that they actually did this on purpose to benefit guilds and the evidence of this is every single desicion so far made to benefit guilds like:

  • Having out of episode skills on certain classes.
  • Not punishing guilds for not communicating accurately weird server behavior that can be abused
  • Allowing guilds to have guild accounts so they can have their own guild alchemist or blacksmiths essentially allowing guilds to share characters
  • Members of a guild being GM's for a time

Those are on the top of my head but there are probably more.

So as you can see there is tons of material that support this theory.
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Because they clearly didn't know all the information about this leveling method, either the abusers lied to them about this and hide how they were doing it or the GM's knew since the beginning and thought not many people would notice and only a few would take advantage of it. Besides they could have opted for a rollback once it was clear that this would taint the server forever IF they truly didn't knew about this.

Man, for all you harp on about objectivity and facts you sure do like making up your own backstory.
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Now, the def bug and non-classic cherrypicked content are criticisms I agree with, but this... Why on earth would they punish someone for doing something that was not against the rules, and why on earth would they compensate people? You keep calling it an exploit and calling for punishment as if people were bug abusing, but it's just powerlevelling and cheesing at most. Dumb of staff to have allowed it in the first place - key word, *allowed* - but it would be ten times as bad for them to go "Yeah I know we said that farming mob slaves was OK, but we've changed our minds and now we're going to punish you for it".  A crazy fast levelling method has been and gone - that's the cycle of RO. Should people have compensation for missing the 2x exp event? Should people have compensation when 12man Kim parties roll up in Bio3? People will always find the best levelling method and cheese it all to hell in any given point in time - the punishment is having that method removed. Unless you make a rule saying "You must only kill one mob at a time" there are always going to be powergamers, and that's just the way MMOs are.

Ever seen the "Bring your own cup" thing they do with slurpees and people roll up with buckets? This is just the MMO version of that, lol.

"Why on earth would they punish someone for doing something that was not against the rules"-Because they clearly didn't know all the information about this leveling method, either the abusers lied to them about this and hide how they were doing it or the GM's knew since the beginning and thought not many people would notice and only a few would take advantage of it. Besides they could have opted for a rollback once it was clear that this would taint the server forever IF they truly didn't knew about this.

"why on earth would they compensate people?" -Because an abuse took place nonetheless, people that abide by the rules and don't take advantage of this situations should be rewarded IF they are not going to punish players, it's one of the other not both, either punish or compensate people for letting this abusers take huge amounts of experience unpunished.

"You keep calling it an exploit and calling for punishment as if people were bug abusing, but it's just powerlevelling and cheesing at most."- Because they are abusing an exploit, you call things for what they are, I know it is a difficult concept to graps for this new generation that likes to destroy the language and to manipulate definitions based on subjective concepts and not objectivity and facts.

"Should people have compensation for missing the 2x exp event? Should people have compensation when 12man Kim parties roll up in Bio3?"- False equivalence fallacies at it's finest.

"People will always find the best levelling method and cheese it all to hell in any given point in time"- The same thought terminatig cliché, Nirvana fallacy already debunked.

"Unless you make a rule saying "You must only kill one mob at a time"" -No one ever said this, this is a strawman fallacy and a false equivalence in disguise trying to once again falselly equate normal group leveling to what took place on the Majorous map.

"Ever seen the "Bring your own cup" thing they do with slurpees and people roll up with buckets? This is just the MMO version of that, lol"- Another flase equivalence here, you are wrong, not all the server had the opportunity to take advantage of it, only the big guilds and a few selected people had this ability, most players didn't knew about this being a thing, a lot of players also play alone and don't have guilds to even thinking of doing this, so no, not everyone could bring their bucket as you falsely claim.
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With all that being said I still don't recommend anyone to play on this server, sorry I can't, this Majorous exploit is a HUGE thing that any administrator would have already tak action, either punishing people or compensating people that never abused this but they won't, expecting people to continue playing as if nothing happened is a slap in the face, yeah, too bad we have some scruples and values and we never thought of exploiting your server I guess, a server we cared for.
Now, the def bug and non-classic cherrypicked content are criticisms I agree with, but this... Why on earth would they punish someone for doing something that was not against the rules, and why on earth would they compensate people? You keep calling it an exploit and calling for punishment as if people were bug abusing, but it's just powerlevelling and cheesing at most. Dumb of staff to have allowed it in the first place - key word, *allowed* - but it would be ten times as bad for them to go "Yeah I know we said that farming mob slaves was OK, but we've changed our minds and now we're going to punish you for it".  A crazy fast levelling method has been and gone - that's the cycle of RO. Should people have compensation for missing the 2x exp event? Should people have compensation when 12man Kim parties roll up in Bio3? People will always find the best levelling method and cheese it all to hell in any given point in time - the punishment is having that method removed. Unless you make a rule saying "You must only kill one mob at a time" there are always going to be powergamers, and that's just the way MMOs are.

Ever seen the "Bring your own cup" thing they do with slurpees and people roll up with buckets? This is just the MMO version of that, lol.
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Looking at the servers ranking page I only see 4 blacksmiths over level 90 and 2 alchemists level 90+ which months ago was about the same. So if your blind statement was true there would be far more blacksmiths/alchemists over level 90, as the remaining rank slots quickly drop to level 70 in the top 20 displayed. Also at one point you called out the guild Trap lovers, yet looking at the class rankings not many of their members are in the top 20. If it was abused for months wouldn't there be a full list of level 99's in the servers ranking for each class? Honestly seems more like blowing things way out of line to stroke your ego and slander a server.

Now you even claimed I most be an abuser on the server, the highest level character I have on retRO at the moment is 73. I play across multiple servers and retRO is on the backburner for me until it has a bigger player base. So claiming I am white knighting or fanboying is just a poor tactic to try dodging logical truth against your overly dramatized slander(s).  So everyone can even check the rankings their self https://retro-online.eu/ranking/char  for being 9months in, looks pretty close to what you would expect to see. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with how the devs go about things on their server and or no longer wanting to play it, but stretching the truth and falsely pointing fingers at people just because they say otherwise is rather sad and sounds a lot like another 1x server owners tactic to justify themselves.

On the rankings you can not see every single character that was leveled up using this method, saying that everyone that used this leveled to 99 outright is not the argument the argument is that they took multiple characters to high levels by doing this, it is exposed on the main post, there are screenshots of the conversations and videos of it, if iI were taking this out of proportion as you claim the GM's wouldn't even be patching this out, the fact is there was rampant abuse from the top dog guilds which on a server population of 100 real players is not a lot but we should not argument based on quantity but the act itself and the act is despicable and makes a huge gap between the ones that took advantage of this or the ones that didn't.

If you keep with you false accusations about me being someone else or your conspiracies I will report you again.
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Ok I talked to a GM this is what I got:

  • Def bug is going to be corrected, they realize it is wrong now
  • Bard skills are going to get discussed to revert them back BUT the GM says it is not likely
  • Apparently Monks also have out of episode skill buffs (Occult impact/investigate is buffed) I will have to add this to my main review now
  • No punishment for the abusers of the Majorous exploit or compensation for the people that never abused this exploit

Now my opinion about this:

  • Defense bug changes is good but took way too long (all the server lifespawn) to fix get adressed so tons of mobbers abused this already
  • Bards not likelly to get their skills reverted is pretty bad because currently there are classes like Alchemist that can't even level up properly and no one gives a damn about them?, the GM told me that the community wouldn't accept a buff to Alchemist and I told him "of course not they only care about themselves" why? because Bards are useful for parties and WOE etc so they obviously need that Bards are buffed to level them faster, guilds can level up Alchemist leeching them anyway so screw anyone that plays alone and is not on a big guild, essentially showing once again that guilds are pulling the strings on major desicions
  • Monk having out of episode buffs too came as a suprise to me because Monk litterally has no room to complain about not having alternatives, they can level as combo, as throw spirit spheres (which is buffed on the episode we are), they can be tanks or be MVP killers... so why buff occult impact? SIMPLE: to make guild WOE Monks easier to level up, once again showing that guilds are pulling the strings.
  • No compensation or punishment is just really once again the last straw because this shows they really don't care about people like me that don't go around looking for ways to exploit, they won't punish because the big guilds took advantage of it and they won't compensate because they believe people like me will take it and stay anyways, they are wrong, I for one won't play until compensation or punishment is due.


The GM i spoke to told me two things:

  • "But in the end there are only levels gained, no zeny or equipment that flooded the server"
  • " A group of players always level faster than a single person"

Those two things all I can say is first: with higher levels means more power which translates in more items being farmed and more zenny so trying to make it sound like it doesn't affect the server is just really disingenuous this is almost gaslighting and outright lying at worst. The second part is basically another Nirvana fallacy and a thought terminating cliché just to make me stop talking about the subject and analizing how bad this is for the server is also really disingenuous to compare this abuse to normal group play.

With all that being said I still don't recommend anyone to play on this server, sorry I can't, this Majorous exploit is a HUGE thing that any administrator would have already take action, either punishing people or compensating people that never abused this but they won't, expecting people to continue playing as if nothing happened is a slap in the face, yeah, too bad we have some scruples and values and we never thought of exploiting your server I guess, a server we cared for.
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If it truly was out of "innocence" they whould have at least made a rollback because this compromised the entire server, people leveling up potter alchemist and forgers in 7 minutes is an exploit in x1, they leveled up multiple characters with this method, the server is completely compromised by this thing and they should have at least made a rollback but no.
For the record, the person I am replying to is one of the people that benefitted from this Majorous exploit, benefitted from the Monk bug and from the Bard having out of era skills and if I remember correctly this person is the main one that made a tantrum to the staff and said he would quit if they fixed the bard skills. This person is member of the Trap Lovers guild.

So of course this people will always try to gaslight others into believing that they did nothing wrong and they can't be blamed for engaging in bad behavior.

Looking at the servers ranking page I only see 4 blacksmiths over level 90 and 2 alchemists level 90+ which months ago was about the same. So if your blind statement was true there would be far more blacksmiths/alchemists over level 90, as the remaining rank slots quickly drop to level 70 in the top 20 displayed. Also at one point you called out the guild Trap lovers, yet looking at the class rankings not many of their members are in the top 20. If it was abused for months wouldn't there be a full list of level 99's in the servers ranking for each class? Honestly seems more like blowing things way out of line to stroke your ego and slander a server.

It is really sad that people actually defend this garbage, probably another bug abuser himself or a fanboy in denial.

Now you even claimed I most be an abuser on the server, the highest level character I have on retRO at the moment is 73. I play across multiple servers and retRO is on the backburner for me until it has a bigger player base. So claiming I am white knighting or fanboying is just a poor tactic to try dodging logical truth against your overly dramatized slander(s).  So everyone can even check the rankings their self https://retro-online.eu/ranking/char  for being 9months in, looks pretty close to what you would expect to see. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with how the devs go about things on their server and or no longer wanting to play it, but stretching the truth and falsely pointing fingers at people just because they say otherwise is rather sad and sounds a lot like another 1x server owners tactic to justify themselves.

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