MusiqueRO

Pookah · Jul 08, 2009, 08:23 AM

QuoteIt Is True, I Have Stolen The Kitsune GRF

QuoteI'm Still Not Changing Anything, Since Proof Needs To Be 100% And Not Altered.

(You've just admitted to it...)

Hutchy · Jul 08, 2009, 09:28 AM

What use is there in denying it? O_o

Anyway, someone hurry up and get to the part where you sue over fox tails or wtfever.

spawn844 · Jul 09, 2009, 10:50 PM

Now there advertising on my server:( delist them!

A92FL0163 · Jul 09, 2009, 11:46 PM

Shameful, though we can't do anything since it could be anyone advertising the server.

Pookah · Jul 10, 2009, 04:28 AM

As an administrator of AmaiRO, I know that neither I or any of our staff know anything about that - we wouldn't stoop down to your level. For all we know that could just be you trying to delist us.

spawn844 · Jul 10, 2009, 07:26 AM

I lol'ed at that
and please, if you had a brain you would know you cant be delisted for advertising on another server server
Duuuuuuur

Green · Jul 10, 2009, 08:09 AM

Quote from: spawn844 on Jul 10, 2009, 07:26 AM
I lol'ed at that
and please, if you had a brain you would know you cant be delisted for advertising on another server server
Duuuuuuur

That might not always be the case.
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php/topic,10440.0.html

spawn844 · Jul 10, 2009, 01:02 PM

Thats interesting.
But how would that work? Say some one did want to f*** over a server and tryed to frame them?
what proof could you give them? ip or something:/
And i assume if this does get effected these guys would have to advertise again on my server once this passes.
Hmmm. i guess ill vote thanks for the heads up

LiteX · Jul 10, 2009, 09:00 PM

Quote from: spawn844 on Jul 10, 2009, 01:02 PM
Thats interesting.
But how would that work? Say some one did want to f*** over a server and tryed to frame them?
what proof could you give them? ip or something:/
And i assume if this does get effected these guys would have to advertise again on my server once this passes.
Hmmm. i guess ill vote thanks for the heads up

Usually if the Admin is goading it's players to advertise on other servers, or the admin repeatedly ignoring the people asking him to control his players

Annihilate · Jul 13, 2009, 07:20 AM

As far as I know, eAthena and all its software is freeware under a GNU public license agreement. This means that everything that derived from it should be under the same agreement too. Custom from that old server being copied by Musique is actually ok, and they cannot get penalised for that.

Quote
GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
Version 2, June 1991

....

2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion
of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and
distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1
above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:

a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices
stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.

b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
parties under the terms of this License.

....

(Source: http://svn.eathena.ws/svn/ea/trunk/LICENCE)

I think youre telling the truth, but legally speaking, the only thing MusiqueRO probably did that may be unethical is not informing the other server, but then, under the GNU, musique by default has the licence to use the content. So as far as I can see, all you can do is prove that Musique did "use" the old server's content, but with the following mitigating circumstances:

1. Even if musique did it, they have the right to.
2. Even if it was unethical, its still within the bounds of eAthena's licence.
3. Musique's reputation for originality may become tarnished, but they cannot be punished for this particular act alone.

The Bottomline:

eAthena is freeware. we were able to enjoy RO without paying for licences. it is then also our responsibility to contribute to the community by following the terms of use of the server software. your claim may be right, but musique did not [knowingly or unknowingly] break the rules.

Irrelevant · Jul 13, 2009, 07:41 AM

I believe the last post is a definite touche on any RO sprite/GRF/content copyright claim ever made.

Hutchy · Jul 13, 2009, 03:40 PM

So the point of this thread is, basically, stop crying. The end.

kinzoku · Jul 15, 2009, 05:03 PM

Quote from: Annihilate on Jul 13, 2009, 07:20 AM
As far as I know, eAthena and all its software is freeware under a GNU public license agreement. This means that everything that derived from it should be under the same agreement too. Custom from that old server being copied by Musique is actually ok, and they cannot get penalised for that.

Quote
GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
Version 2, June 1991

....

2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion
of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and
distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1
above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:

a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices
stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.

b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
parties under the terms of this License.

....

(Source: http://svn.eathena.ws/svn/ea/trunk/LICENCE)

Just checking something but it states that

Anything you make in part or whole from the Program "eAthena" or something like that is to be free to all third parties under the terms of this license.

I don't really think you make sprites or customs from the eAthena files or even the Ragnarok files.
Fully custom sprites made on their own "not modified from current sprites" do not abide by this rule?

I'm just seeking clarification because that sentence hardly makes sense.

EDIT:
When it's referring to the program I do believe it refers to the eAthena SRC and server files not the Ragnarok files in anyway. Thus if you make a completely new sprite from scratch it should technically be able to be made copy written because it is your work and your idea even if it's being used for something else.
Also to most of those people that state "Fan Art/Customs" can't be copy written because it's based off a copy written game or the characters/sprites on not their ideas. There's a lot of things that are parodies or comics about a game but are copy written.

Tom~ · Jul 15, 2009, 10:22 PM

Huh, maybe is not illegal, but i think is something .... sad? If u don't have originality and imagination for create your own sprites ... what, are u going to steal them?

He/She worked on those sprites, and that guy just stole them? ...

LiteX · Jul 15, 2009, 10:38 PM

Quote from: tomaschx on Jul 15, 2009, 10:22 PM
Huh, maybe is not illegal, but i think is something .... sad? If u don't have originality and imagination for create your own sprites ... what, are u going to steal them?

He/She worked on those sprites, and that guy just stole them? ...

It IS illegal if the sprites are copyrighted, it's legal but considered unethical if they aren't.

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