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First, this guide is for 99/70 max level, no customs, no miniboss/MvP cards in sinX equip. I will focus on one build that I personally use, but I will mention others too. Also, I am gonna mention skill/stat reseting. If there is no reseter on your server, leveling guide for trans part will be of no use for noagi builds.

Oh, and sorry if I missed similar guide around.

Part one: general hints

1. foodstuff. Get Green Iguana and Anopheles cards, they will provide you with +3 dex and +3 agi food. STR food is a bit different. You can use gremlin card to get +3, but I prefer making my own +5 str food. It is not hard.
2. at WoE, carry some speed pots. They allow you to escape dangerous situations.
3. know your enemy. You need different tactics on every class.
4. you got cloaking, use it. Don't attack recklessly.
5. grimtooth. Katar assassin's best friend. Note a little "glitch" or how to call it, that allows you to equip arrows. If you equip some status-inducing arrow, like freeze arrow, this status will be carried by grimtooth. It will not consume the arrow tho,  so you just need to carry one of each type.
6. battlemode. learn how to use it.
7. use elemental converters. Raydric is widely used and you might run into someone with GR/deviling.
8. if you are revealed from hide via skill, you have no delay on your skills, but enemy will usually suffer from minor delay from hiss revealing skill. Use that little moment to strike him. Try to predict when you will be revealed and be ready.

Part two:Builds

Sonic Blow dedicated sin: I believe there is guide to this somewhere around, so I'll skip this one.

Dagger builds: crit build and icepick build. These two differ just in weapon used. Basically build around EDP and melee attack, they have very high agi and low vit, thus having to kill VERY fast. Basically, in defense they raid attacking parties, killing one or two members before disappearing and attacking again. In offense, they are primary empbreakers, able to slip in unnoticed and breaking emp in few seconds.

Equip:
armor: pantie, ED and/or marc card
garment: undershirt, wanderer card
shoes: if possible black leather boots, otherwise high refine boots, wild rose card
accessories: slotted rings, shinobi and dancing dragon. additional accessory with horong card will come handy.
Headgears: Ulle's cap with vanberk card, in case you have alice doll available, use this with nightmare. Middle headgear are angel/evil wing ears.
weapons: Crit: 2x +7 mes [3], one paper+skel soldier+mobster, second 2x assulter and hydra, another one with similar cards but against emperium recommended.
Icepick: icepick (obviously), if possible slotted with paper card. +7 mes with two hydras and skel worker, and another mes with two orc skels and desert wolf for empbreak. If you can't get enough icepicks for slotting, replace desert wolf and skel worker with paper cards.
NOTE: I included paper card combo for different reasons than crit. Yea, it adds crit damage, useless for non crit DD. But take a look at whole combo and you will see lots of interesting bonuses, including walk and attack speed increase. THAT is the reason.

Stats (without bless/agi and gloria, both are recommended):
crit: 110 str, 120 agi, 30ish vit, 60 luk
icepick: 110 str, 120 agi, 60 dex, 40ish vit.

Katar crit: similar to dagger crit, but I have never played this one...sorry, if anyone got experience with it, feel free to post here.

Soul Destroyer: almost extinct. It is good for PvP 1on1 and hunting, but slower to level than katar agi sins and mediocre at WoE.

I am not gonna post exact stat/equip here, since most pople use this just for hunting. Just a few hints.
SD damage is made of two parts: one from int and one from atk. Int part is stronger, but does not take up element, it is always non-elemental (NOT neutral. This is different). Atk part takes element of your weapon in right hand.
Your main stat is int. dex 70-90 depending on your current level, and when you have spare points on 85+, use them in strength.
If you can, let some friendly smith make you set of VVS elemental haeddongums. Fire is most important in this case. In left hand, use haeddongum with two zipper bear cards. All other equip int, dex, or hitpoint oriented.
SD is not affected by masteries, don't waste points in them.

Katar semi-agi: my favorite. It has neither best damage nor amount of hitpoints, but has decent flee to avoid other assasins, enough hitpoints to survive precast long enough and is VERY versatile. Is able to deal with almost any situation, and kill almost everyone except most paladins (this ends with killing everyone else and leaving him to be killed by your guildmates). There are ways to kill even them...if they are stupid or it is non-potting PvP. But takes a lot of time.

equip:
armor: thief clothes, ED and marc for switching
garment: wool scarf with aliot, in case you can't get it use kavach icarus instead
shoes: tidal shoes, matyr card
accessories: 2x ring with mantis cards. horong for switching.
headgears: ulle, vanberk card. ears.
weapons: Infiltrator with Skeleton worker card, Bloody Roar and +10 jur with desert wolf and two skel workers are good to have too.
More stuff for switching: +8-+9 double bloody boned mes and thara carded Valkyrie shield, for defensive meteor assault. Raydric and f. beret are also good if facing sacri pally.

Stats: 120 str, 80 agi, 60 dex, 60ish vit

I am gonna post some tactic guide later...

Part three: leveling

I'll start when you just changed to thief. Look around, if you can get platinum skills and if there's healer, it's great. Just collect about 100 stones and go lighthalzen field 1. Use stone throwing to kill metalings to get some levels fast. Once you dare (around level 30), start killing them with melee and continue till joblevel 40 when you are ready to change to assassin. If you can't start with stones right away, payon cave is good until you are ready for metalings. Oh, and stats: start with agi, str and dex. As you level up, put every level or two point in dex till you reach 40. Get 20 str for beginning, focus on getting 40 agi, then 40 str, 60 agi, and str ever since. Skills: Dodge and doble attack 10, steal 5, hiding 10, emvenom 3 and detox.

Now you are assassin. Get a few joblevels on metalings to get full katar mastery and sonic blow. Then, toy factory lvl 2. It's your new home now :). Buy jamadhar from npc (or if you get any other katar from kind players...), and go slaughtering myst cases. don't stop till level 75, or 80 if you don't get myst case card.

Now, it's time to get pantie and undershirt (one of each). Either buy, or get alot of flywings and some sp stuff and go to sphinx. Zeroms on F1 and F2 will give you pantie, Pasanas at F4 and F5 will provide undershirt. These are too strong, so use grimtooth to kill (that is where you need sp stuff and stun arrow).

It is good to have merchant for overcharge at this point.

And now, you're moving again. To Rachel Sanctuary, floor one. This place is all about BIG mobs. Hodremlins will be making problems though, they are demons and see you in hide. I always gather all six of them behind me, cloak and lead them either to very top or bottom (warp to next floors) of map. You will be missing alot at the beginning, so you need that stun and big mob. You will stay at this place till 99. You need 40+ base dex, 70-90 agi and 80-90 str here. Skills you need are cloaking, katar mastery and grimtooth. Note that local mobs are dropping quite valuable items (prices approximate prices without overcharge:white mask 500z, bloody rune 1000z. those are 100% (or almost 100 at 1ish drop rate)). Also, Isillas drop ring (nonslotted) by very low chance, so don't sell accessories without identifying.

If you can't get access to rachel sanctuary because your server didn't made enough donations to open the enterance quest (see any good RO database for details about quest), the place to level is Juperos F1. Flywing around, find some bigger mob, cloak, find a place where they can see you but you have a few empty cells around you, uncloak and hide (don't go to hide from cloak. You need mobs to see you for a tiny while). Note that you need higher dex here, at least 60ish.

Now, you are ready to rebirth....go ahead.

High thief is similar to normal, with one exception. You need joblevel 47! to max out emvenom. Needed for EDP. On 60ish levels, you can try leaf cats instead of metalings.If you are going no agi build and you have no reseter available, you can stop reading now, since this guide will be useless for you from this point.

So, now you are Assassin Cross. Congratulations...get some job levels to get cloaking 3, enchant poison 6 and soul destroyer 10, and base level 70. Now, you are ready to your first reset. Get 70 dex, rest int and use some money you have from rachel sanctuary to get basic SD equip. Next approx 10-15 levels, you should hunt some things...

First stop, hugel field 5 (the one with enterance to abyss cave). Green Iguanas and Anopheles are your target because of their cards. Keep leaflets and aloevera from iguanas, you or your guildmates will definitely use them. Side note, you may need fire katar or fire sword here to oneshot iguanas.

If you get both cards before you are ready for rachel/juperos, go hunt infiltrators from nightmares.

When you are ready, just go leveling to rachel/jupe again. Note that Vanberks in rachel don't give so much jobexp, so you might later need to go to rachel F2 on Isillas.

When you reach 90ish levels, you are quite ready to hunt anything you need.

Part four: Active skill overview

Only some active skills, masteries are kinda obvious. I am skipping some skills I haven't used.

Sonic Blow: Most frequently used skill, EDPed deals at WoE about 10-11k with +x boned infi to full reduction geared, about 40 def char. With link, you will be able to one-shot almost all chars except the good swordsman classes. Without the link, it is mostly finisher, knocking out your damaged foe. Learn when to use and when not to use...it should be the last blow you deal to enemy.
Grimtooth: ah, my friend. Various status arrows allow you to play with enemy...it is also very damaging with decent agi. Use mostly to soften up enemy, give him a few statuses...curse is one of my favs.
Soul Destroyer: mostly leveling skill, deals about 6k-8k damage in right build. Elements can increase it on 12k. It can also be used in nopot PvP, if you don't wanna use up EDP. But its overall dps sucks, so against potting chars it is of little use. Unless...if you are teamed with bard. Bragi can make this otherwise crappy skill into deadly damagedealer.
Venom dust: Interesting, underestimated. Used most often as part of precast because it is AoE, but also works kinda similar to swordie's Provoke check, to know if enemy is wearing ED. If he gets poisoned, he is not wearing it. Poison itself is also underestimated, since few people know it actually reduces def. Make use of it.
Emvenom, enchant poison. Good for poisoning enemy, if you ran a check on ED.
Meteor Assault: also deadly in right hands, works extremely well on groups of low hitpoint enemies, like several wizards setting up precast. Also good if you want to damage paladins without harming yourself with reflect. It is not affected by EDP. If you are just a little smart, you will see when situation asks for it. It is good to switch for thara and damaging dagger for it.
Throw stone: If you are facing a situation against low vit enemy when you can't hide (like snipers), this is a way to stun them.  Unusable against enemies with 50+ vit. Good to use from point blank range, you won't have to walk far to land a finishing SB, and low vit chars are ranged anyway.
Throw venom knife: similar to throw stone, just poison instead of stun. Almost no damaging power. Good against high vit chars tho to poison them.

Part 5: Tactical hints: this part kinda covers mostly my agish katar build, since I have little to no personal experience with others. Some parts, mostly about general SinX usage, are applicable to other build too.

WoE: Generally speaking, you are a hunter. Assasinating key members of enemy teams is your priority, seconded by empbreaking. Be very careful when approaching groups, you should avoid heavy damage by any means nescessary, not tank it. You need to be able to evaluate enemy force, and strike down the right players to cripple enemy team as fast as possible. So, your targets are: wizards, creators, snipers, profs. Priests are usually too tough to be disposed of quickly. Don't even think of melee classes if you are alone. Clowns and gypsies are also often too tough. Thief classes stay hidden, so step lightly. Pay great attention to approaching angle, emerging from cloak right at the same tile as other enemy char can result in confusion in targetting, letting you escape unharmed. stay away from sacri pallies, LKs and WS, if they're good they will hit you hard. If you run at such party, don't attack at once. Evaluate, then get out of their sight, EDP and go for a kill. Don't let them know you are there till you score a kill.
As a part of attacking team, you are main tactical weapon.  Don't go first into precast, slip in as enemy is busy with your tanks. SinX have unparalelled melee power, find the key characters of precast and take them out. If you get trapped in precast, try to stay hidden until trap wears off. Alternatively, if you are persistently dectected by snipers, use your long range skills to harass the precast. Your alternative purpose as attacker is to break emp, if you got the chance. In that case...wear ED, to prevent aspersio. Once asp fails, next thing enemy priest will do is TU. Quickly switch to Marc and back to ED when TU fails. Before enemy realizes that he should agi down you, the emp should be very weakened. If moving to preemp, stay cloaked and scout around, alternatively backstab any other sin that attempts to harass your team.
In open battles, it is even easier to sneak up on enemy and take down few memebers of back row, then disappear just to strike again in a moment.
Defense...you will either hunt down lone characters or small groups that died while moving to preemp, and preventing them from rejoining team, or you will stay with precasting team, hidden and GTing. Never forget your status arrows, they work even through pneuma. If your precast starts to break down, time to EDP and go for a hunt.

Now 1 on 1 tips:
LK: GT for the win. EDP grim with curse arrow to slow him down, and don't let him close. If not at WoE backslide, if it is then speedpot away. SB is useful only if you are confident it will take him down. DON'T ever do it if he is 2H type, better slower but certain death by GT than 50% chance you have against parry.
Pally: Tough can here. You need curse and poison him, then switch to dagger and shield, full antisacri reductions, and blast him away with meteor assault spam. Sacrifice will actually help you there since with reductions, it will drain his HP more than yours. Don't try melee, reflect and auto guard will make you just look dumb and dead. At WoE, if you invest in dagger with status cards including metaling and accessory with wikebine, take this and strip him a bit. Then finish with MA.
WS: similar to LK, grim him up and finish off with sonic.
Creator: stealth is your friend. Avoid his homun and sneak to point blank range before starting with GT, as detected finish off with SB.
This applies to priests, clowns and gypsies too...well, most classes are killable by this.
Snipers: trapper>previous tactics, DS spammer>enhance with few stones up on enemy head before SB lands.
Champs: Troublesome at WoE. You have to lure him to you, so Ruwach hits you when you are at very edge of its range. If you are confident that you can hide-dodge his asura, do so and SB him in the back. But most frequently, you won't be able to do it. So you have to be at least 5 cells away as he targets asura at you, hide BEFORE he starts its cast...he will recast Ruwach, but at that point you are very close to him...now just be faster with SB than he is with Asura. Softening him up with GT is prefered.
Thief classes: this is kinda "who goes out first is dead".

I am aware that lots of more experienced people will say something like "obvious" for most of my tips. But this is mostly aimed for newbs.

THE END...for now

5.1.2009 edited, added parts 4 and 5, fixed a few typos and added some additional equip for switching to some builds...and one explanation.

I hope you will like this guide. Feel free to post comments and additional hints here.

Not too bad of a guide. Thanks for posting. :]

Wow, you're an idiot...

DD Crit on lowrate is the worst.. As if it doesn't consume enough stats on highrate..

Lmfao, did you just say to slot a paper card inside of an icepick..? Crit already does max damage, so that would just nullify it's effect. Oh, and congrants on having to go get another slotted icepcik.. Because you just wasted yours. (:

The leveling guide was probaly the best part of this guide.

DD builds are noted here just because they are possible...they are best empbreakers tho, but fail at killing against groups...

As for icepick+paper. It is because of aspd increase, and the whole combo bonuses. I'd prefer Doppel card there, but this is lowrate guide so possiblity of getting it is...almost 0.

And I've seen some decent crit builds on lowrate too...

(btw, about icepick and crit...not sure what did you mean, crit is attack against 0 def, so in fact there will be no increase of damage from icepick...crit rate with this build is low tho)

Nice guide for newcomers, I never knew about that grimtooth glitch =]

If you want a crit build, why not go katar? x2 Crit rate.

And crit takes priority over double attack so its useless to use daggers for crit.

wonder where you got all that "katars double crit" stuff? I tested it and it is not true.

And the advantage of DD over katars is more slots...

Quote from: Sarin on May 15, 2008, 01:07 PM
DD builds are noted here just because they are possible...they are best empbreakers tho, but fail at killing against groups...

As for icepick+paper. It is because of aspd increase, and the whole combo bonuses. I'd prefer Doppel card there, but this is lowrate guide so possiblity of getting it is...almost 0.

And I've seen some decent crit builds on lowrate too...

(btw, about icepick and crit...not sure what did you mean, crit is attack against 0 def, so in fact there will be no increase of damage from icepick...crit rate with this build is low tho)

Paper doesn't add aspd. lern2read. Paper is 20% more damage with Critical. And Katar is x2 the critrate.. Thus making katars the best breakers. Katars are much faster, and hit more frequently.. Go back to highrate, please. ^^

Quote from: Infection on May 15, 2008, 11:51 PM

Quote from: Sarin on May 15, 2008, 01:07 PM
DD builds are noted here just because they are possible...they are best empbreakers tho, but fail at killing against groups...

As for icepick+paper. It is because of aspd increase, and the whole combo bonuses. I'd prefer Doppel card there, but this is lowrate guide so possiblity of getting it is...almost 0.

And I've seen some decent crit builds on lowrate too...

(btw, about icepick and crit...not sure what did you mean, crit is attack against 0 def, so in fact there will be no increase of damage from icepick...crit rate with this build is low tho)

Paper doesn't add aspd. lern2read. Paper is 20% more damage with Critical. And Katar is x2 the critrate.. Thus making katars the best breakers. Katars are much faster, and hit more frequently.. Go back to highrate, please. ^^

Katars may be better than daggers for crit, but daggers have a much better break time without having to be fully stat'd for breaking. With the recent addition of Desert Wind[4] and Desert Twilight[2], daggers become even better to break with.

Quote from: Infection on May 15, 2008, 11:51 PM

Quote from: Sarin on May 15, 2008, 01:07 PM
DD builds are noted here just because they are possible...they are best empbreakers tho, but fail at killing against groups...

As for icepick+paper. It is because of aspd increase, and the whole combo bonuses. I'd prefer Doppel card there, but this is lowrate guide so possiblity of getting it is...almost 0.

And I've seen some decent crit builds on lowrate too...

(btw, about icepick and crit...not sure what did you mean, crit is attack against 0 def, so in fact there will be no increase of damage from icepick...crit rate with this build is low tho)

Paper doesn't add aspd. lern2read. Paper is 20% more damage with Critical. And Katar is x2 the critrate.. Thus making katars the best breakers. Katars are much faster, and hit more frequently.. Go back to highrate, please. ^^

Tested. They do not. Maybe they did sometimes in the past, and you're outdated, or maybe you just got confused by their dual attack. They are faster, but DD hit much harder. But, I doubt we will solve this by talking. If you know about server where we can get both equip sets very quickly, but is 99/70, we should do some testing.

And it's you who should learn to read. Paper itself does not increase aspd, but it is part of thief card combo. And whole combo DOES increase aspd, among other things.

Btw, I play low to medium rates.

Quote from: Sarin on May 16, 2008, 02:06 PM

Quote from: Infection on May 15, 2008, 11:51 PM

Quote from: Sarin on May 15, 2008, 01:07 PM
DD builds are noted here just because they are possible...they are best empbreakers tho, but fail at killing against groups...

As for icepick+paper. It is because of aspd increase, and the whole combo bonuses. I'd prefer Doppel card there, but this is lowrate guide so possiblity of getting it is...almost 0.

And I've seen some decent crit builds on lowrate too...

(btw, about icepick and crit...not sure what did you mean, crit is attack against 0 def, so in fact there will be no increase of damage from icepick...crit rate with this build is low tho)

Paper doesn't add aspd. lern2read. Paper is 20% more damage with Critical. And Katar is x2 the critrate.. Thus making katars the best breakers. Katars are much faster, and hit more frequently.. Go back to highrate, please. ^^

Tested. They do not. Maybe they did sometimes in the past, and you're outdated, or maybe you just got confused by their dual attack. They are faster, but DD hit much harder. But, I doubt we will solve this by talking. If you know about server where we can get both equip sets very quickly, but is 99/70, we should do some testing.

And it's you who should learn to read. Paper itself does not increase aspd, but it is part of thief card combo. And whole combo DOES increase aspd, among other things.

Btw, I play low to medium rates.

Ice Pick is only decent for Soul Breaker, ASPD INCREZES DA FASTER I KAST SOULBRAYK^^^^^^. Honestly, learn how to play.. You tested terribly. Katar is, and always will have 2x the amount of crit.

You obviously know nothing about SinX. ^^;.

^So you're saying Ice Pick isn't that good for breaking emp (equip wise without desert wind / twilight) ?

Quote from: Infection on May 17, 2008, 04:09 AM
Ice Pick is only decent for Soul Breaker, ASPD INCREZES DA FASTER I KAST SOULBRAYK^^^^^^. Honestly, learn how to play.. You tested terribly. Katar is, and always will have 2x the amount of crit.

You obviously know nothing about SinX. ^^;.

Obviously, your info is outdated. SD is calculated only from ATK for some time now. I know it was different some time after trans classes were relased, but was changed then...for the same reason masteries don't work for SD now.

And Icepick is actually great weapon for taking out high-def characters. Seen doing 12k doubleattacks at WoE with it.

And honestly, obviously all you do care about is b****. Either stop insulting or get the f*** outta here.

All I care about is b****? way2makesense. ^^;

Not your forum, sorry. ):. Pretty sure I don't have to leave, unless of course yC, or any of the other moderating team bans me. :0

Really? Then stop insulting and try to help with your posts. Or better, if you want to have this solved, find a highratish 99/70 server where we can get equip to test quickly.

Quote from: Sarin on May 21, 2008, 02:44 PM
Really? Then stop insulting and try to help with your posts. Or better, if you want to have this solved, find a highratish 99/70 server where we can get equip to test quickly.

Been there, done that. Over 99 Highrates. Please gtfo, you're just another nobody strolling through the forums.

Quote from: Infection on May 21, 2008, 07:26 PM
Been there, done that. Over 99 Highrates. Please gtfo, you're just another nobody strolling through the forums.

Now, who called me HR noob? :P

Speaking of time spend here on forums, yes, I am nobody. I actually registered here at first because I was looking for new server. But it's better than being an old jerk trolling the forums.

Quote from: Sarin on May 22, 2008, 03:04 AM

Quote from: Infection on May 21, 2008, 07:26 PM
Been there, done that. Over 99 Highrates. Please gtfo, you're just another nobody strolling through the forums.

Now, who called me HR noob? :P

Speaking of time spend here on forums, yes, I am nobody. I actually registered here at first because I was looking for new server. But it's better than being an old jerk trolling the forums.

It was to test builds.. But okay.. :]

And yes, I play both highrate and lowrate. Too much of one gets boring. <<;

Ice...Pick...doesn't...affect...crits...
Really bad idea on that part. Also, you didn't mention daggers for NON-crit Dagger Sin, which is more likely the viable option.
Suggestion:
Low Rate/,99/70
Triple hydra, Mummy(Any hit + card, hopefully not Howard) Double Hydra, Marina/Metaller
Primarily effective for squishy targets, And works well on inducing restraining status effects to skill spamming opponents. If MvP cards are available, use Doppel and Phree, TG instead of hydra also if easily possible. Atros card would be invaluable. As mentioned before, cloaking is ideal. Get the element of surprise, EDP whenever made possible, And use awakening potions/"performance enhancers". Anything that increases your attack speed is good.

Not too keen on equips, Your very likely tobe taking hits in your attack process, so having Magic/Physical Def sets on you would be a good idea, and as for cards- Anything that aids your offense. you need to lay em down quick. <____>

My little bit in ON-crit daggers. You rarely see Dagger Sins, and I love to promote them.

60-70~ Str
75~85 Agi
35-45~ Vit
65-70~ Dex
0-10 Luk

Actually...this is first time from Icepick appearance that I hear about non-crit DD sin WITHOUT Icepick. If you browsed this topic a bit, you should know I suggested paper card not because of crit, but because of ASPD increase from whole combo.

AS for equips...well, I did not mention having a Valk shield with thara for switching when closing to melee range. Also please...I did write at the beginning this is NOT about MvP cards. These things are too rare on lowrates.

Finally, your stats...well...60-70 str? SinX can get with full str equip easily 120, 100-110 is good if you wanna keep some stat points. Agi is also kinda low I think, since you have to rely on flee with DD builds. Looking at it, I simply wonder where all you stat points disappeared...

And my final word, I kinda don't like playing DD sins...I presonally prefer having more ways how to deal damage, so I don't get screwed by a few safety walls.

sarin you really suck at giving guides... sorry.. (>.>)

Quote from: Aragorn on Jun 10, 2008, 06:10 AM
sarin you really suck at giving guides... sorry.. (>.>)

Think you can do better? Show it here.

i can do better but its a secret.. sorry.. (>.>)

Well, if you don't have input, don't go around throwing insults.

Quote from: Felecorr on Jun 11, 2008, 07:54 PM
Well, if you don't have input, don't go around throwing insults.

im just being honest... sorry if i offended you... but he still sucks sorry... (>.>)

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Quote from: Felecorr on Jun 11, 2008, 07:54 PM
Well, if you don't have input, don't go around throwing insults.

im just being honest... sorry if i offended you... but he still sucks sorry... (>.>)

Saying he sucks is insulting  ;)

You need to be constructive. Like for example, your guide needs more stuff, etc.

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Quote from: Felecorr on Jun 11, 2008, 07:54 PM
Well, if you don't have input, don't go around throwing insults.

im just being honest... sorry if i offended you... but he still sucks sorry... (>.>)

Saying he sucks is insulting  ;)

You need to be constructive. Like for example, your guide needs more stuff, etc.

someone called me a collosasala moron and im not offended.... so sucking at something is not insulting... sorry.. (>.>)

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Quote from: Aragorn on Jun 12, 2008, 07:09 AM

Quote from: Felecorr on Jun 11, 2008, 07:54 PM
Well, if you don't have input, don't go around throwing insults.

im just being honest... sorry if i offended you... but he still sucks sorry... (>.>)

Saying he sucks is insulting  ;)

You need to be constructive. Like for example, your guide needs more stuff, etc.

someone called me a collosasala moron and im not offended.... so sucking at something is not insulting... sorry.. (>.>)

It is when you can't prove you're right, colosal moron :P

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 12, 2008, 04:01 PM

Quote from: Aragorn on Jun 12, 2008, 07:21 AM

Quote from: Loki on Jun 12, 2008, 07:13 AM

Quote from: Aragorn on Jun 12, 2008, 07:09 AM

Quote from: Felecorr on Jun 11, 2008, 07:54 PM
Well, if you don't have input, don't go around throwing insults.

im just being honest... sorry if i offended you... but he still sucks sorry... (>.>)

Saying he sucks is insulting  ;)

You need to be constructive. Like for example, your guide needs more stuff, etc.

someone called me a collosasala moron and im not offended.... so sucking at something is not insulting... sorry.. (>.>)

It is when you can't prove you're right, colosal moron :P

im right your wrong... you suck i dont... that is the honest truth sorry.. (>.>)

your saying sorry yet your telling people they suck  /hmm

So far all I've heard from  you is bullsh*t. Either show that you're really better of shut up, noone's taking you seriously.

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 12, 2008, 05:54 PM
So far all I've heard from  you is bullsh*t. Either show that you're really better of shut up, noone's taking you seriously.

im not better.. but i proved you suck.. sorry.. (>.>)

Quote from: Aragorn on Jun 12, 2008, 06:00 PM

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 12, 2008, 05:54 PM
So far all I've heard from  you is bullsh*t. Either show that you're really better of shut up, noone's taking you seriously.

im not better.. but i proved you suck.. sorry.. (>.>)

All you proved is you can make me laugh.

enough of this >.>
this topic is getting really out of hand so lets get back on topic



oh and the next person to flame the other is gona get a warn .....

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 12, 2008, 06:03 PM

Quote from: Aragorn on Jun 12, 2008, 06:00 PM

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 12, 2008, 05:54 PM
So far all I've heard from  you is bullsh*t. Either show that you're really better of shut up, noone's taking you seriously.

im not better.. but i proved you suck.. sorry.. (>.>)

All you proved is you can make me laugh.

thank you for laughing (>.>) but you still ****
im not flaming anymore

No, you aren't flaming, you're incinerating yourself.

And shut up finally, you're saying one same bullsh*t all the time.

hmmmm odd that i didn't see his post yesterday.......
either way >.>

i asked nicely didn't i?

Hold on, why I got warned? I wasn't flaming, only defending myself.

i stopped and censored my word how come i get a warning too... (>.>) he's the one who should be warned.. (>.>)

Quote from: Aragorn on Jun 13, 2008, 06:31 PM
i stopped and censored my word how come i get a warning too... (>.>) he's the one who should be warned.. (>.>)

it doesn't matter if you censored it or not you still were flaming him >.> besides most ppl can use their imagination to fill in that blank

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 13, 2008, 06:28 PM
Hold on, why I got warned? I wasn't flaming, only defending myself.

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 13, 2008, 04:08 PM
you're saying one same bullsh*t all the time.

thats why you got warned >.>
honestly i would have warned Aragorn yesterday if i saw his post



just stop flaming each other already, honestly i don't really care that much about why you guys flame each other just that you flame each other >.>

i understand... ill stop flaming and live a good life... sarin i just want you too know that i dont like you... but i won't flame you anymore.. sorry... (>.>)

I don't care if you like me or not.

Oh, and, I hope you learned already what "sorry" means.

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 13, 2008, 07:18 PM
I don't care if you like me or not.

Oh, and, I hope you learned already what "sorry" means.

yes now im using sorry in a proper manner... you know if only you just admitted that you really you know.. then we were not going to be warned... (>.>)

PS: i won't like you ever.. even if you die now... but i will be nice and tell you that i forgive you... for all the evil things you said to me.. im a very humble guy you know..(>.>)

lol okay guys we get it XD
u two are rivals and so on =3
but im glad u worked this out without breaking into flames

anyway on topic? ^^

Both of you are being stupid.
Aragorn moreso for comign into someones topic, changin gthe subject, then flaming them.

ANYWHO...
In regards to your response to my last post, There are several servers where the rates are 99/70 and Malls w/ all cards and equips are available. OR, serve w/ 100% drop rates. (And yeah, they function perfectly fine) Its simply a matter of availability.
Well, I forgot about flee bieng the Dagger Sin's main vice. Got a Flee set involving full availability/low availability items?

Quote from: Felecorr on Jun 13, 2008, 10:41 PM
Both of you are being stupid.
Aragorn moreso for comign into someones topic, changin gthe subject, then flaming them.

ANYWHO...
In regards to your response to my last post, There are several servers where the rates are 99/70 and Malls w/ all cards and equips are available. OR, serve w/ 100% drop rates. (And yeah, they function perfectly fine) Its simply a matter of availability.
Well, I forgot about flee bieng the Dagger Sin's main vice. Got a Flee set involving full availability/low availability items?

the only ****** one is him...

if your crit type then don't go with icepick its as easy as that... no yatayata... (>.>)

In a low rate, flee means nothing because of Phreeoni card.

First, I mentioned that this guide is about NO BLOODY MINIBOSS/MvP CARDS! on Most 99/70 lowrate servers you find mostly just a few miniboss cards from OCA and maybe Atroce card since it's so much killed. Hel, I dunno what lowrate you mean, but with card drop<0.1% you'd prolly spend months of campind Phree before getting that card. And about flee..look at that build close, if you aren't dumb you'll notice it's made for maximum dps AND flee.

And Aragorn...FINALLY LEARN TO READ. That Icepick build I suggested HAVE NO BLOODY CRIT! GOT IT?

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Sorry for that shouting, but I find some people's idiocy offensive.

bleh im closing this now >.>

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 13, 2008, 11:28 PM
First, I mentioned that this guide is about NO BLOODY MINIBOSS/MvP CARDS! on Most 99/70 lowrate servers you find mostly just a few miniboss cards from OCA and maybe Atroce card since it's so much killed. Hel, I dunno what lowrate you mean, but with card drop<0.1% you'd prolly spend months of campind Phree before getting that card. And about flee..look at that build close, if you aren't dumb you'll notice it's made for maximum dps AND flee.

And Aragorn...FINALLY LEARN TO READ. That Icepick build I suggested HAVE NO BLOODY CRIT! GOT IT?

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Sorry for that shouting, but I find some people's idiocy offensive.

Hmm? No MvP Cards? - I have my guild to hunt boss cards for a month after leveling to max. It is still possible, not unless you're not socialized enough to be a solo-RO player. You see the new implementations of Gravity - it requires group effort. So you can't blame people belonging to a prestigious guild to misunderstand what you mean. This can't be considered as a "Low rate sinX guide" without completing it from low-fy equipments up to the MVP Tier Cards/Strongest equips. Sorry, but this guide may seem to be inefficient:
1. You also mentioned ice pick. Lol, where do you get that? MVPs, am I correct? So you mean it's not rare?
2. Try to find the description of a guide -well here, a guide is supposed to be carrying out the rest of the details with respect to the title of your post.

If you're talking 1/1/1 it means official servers, am I correct? Therefore botting is involved.
If you're talking about x/x/3x~10x,with bot blocking, card drops seems to be a little easy that way, as well as equipments. It's impossible you're gonna solo everything til the end. Of course you still need support. /no1
Note: That's why I don't like doing a guides of Job classes, it needs to cover everything. Also, you need to prove and convince everyone that you're really good in sinX.


Please lock/bind it with the topic. I won't allow myself being unable to respond due to misunderstanding.

MvP cards are still too much about luck. And when you manage to get them no lowrate, then you are prolly experienced enough so you don't need giode. OR, damn lucky. That's why I never considered them essential. Btw, most usable MvPs are killable solo..so that whole party argument is irrelevant. Okay, I get that you are making guildmates to hunt such things when you don't have time...but I wouldn't dare to ask my friends if they could spend days hunting for me thing that they could use too.
And about Ice Pick, that thing isn't by any chance minimal drop. It's just like you'd be saying why do I mention Ulle's cap.

Btw, not every 1/1/1 server is official one. I've seen private servers with tis setting, even with rates LOWER that 1.

And, 3-10 card drop might seem easy...when you can spend like 8 hours each day on RO. But most people can't. Like me, for example, when I played 3x server a few years ago, I spent over month getting one Elder Willow card with my sage.

And, you wanna some proof? Well...I'm unable to play RO right now cause of having Linux installed right now, but when I will be playing again...we might meet on some server. I'll keep an EDP bottle with your name :P

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 14, 2008, 12:25 AM
And, you wanna some proof? Well...I'm unable to play RO right now cause of having Linux installed right now, but when I will be playing again...we might meet on some server. I'll keep an EDP bottle with your name :P

its not unable but its you never played RO that's why your guides are useless... sorry.. (>.>)

-Sighs.- For the love of all that is sexy and filled with jelly donut good-ness, will you give it a rest, Aragorn? >>; You have a habit of posting things that are far, far too obviously flame-bait. Enough all ready. It's starting to get really tedious to watch you insult everyone.

seriously Aragorn if you post one more flame/troll im going to put you on mod >.>

as for the sinx guide topic im going to reopen it i guess since only now u guys are getting on topic lol

Quote from: JJJ on Jun 14, 2008, 12:40 AM
seriously Aragorn if you post one more flame/troll im going to put you on mod >.>

as for the sinx guide topic im going to reopen it i guess since only now u guys are getting on topic lol

I swear to my heart.. that i will never flame... even if im just being honest... though i still don't like you sarin.. but your guides isn't that bad even though my guides are better... sorry.. (>.>)

Seriously. Noone will believe you unless you post YOUR guide here....looking forward to it.

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 14, 2008, 12:50 AM
Seriously. Noone will believe you unless you post YOUR guide here....looking forward to it.

my guides are a secret bacoz i don't want everybody to be pro's.. (>.>)

this is it i don't want to fight you anymore... im trying to avoid you now... sorry..(>.>)

Quote from: Aragorn on Jun 14, 2008, 12:53 AM

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 14, 2008, 12:50 AM
Seriously. Noone will believe you unless you post YOUR guide here....looking forward to it.

my guides are a secret bacoz i don't want everybody to be pro's.. (>.>)

this is it i don't want to fight you anymore... im trying to avoid you now... sorry..(>.>)

And would that secret be? Magical goblins? :P

There are always pros and cons in guides. Nothing is perfect. That's why teamwork is important in WoE.

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 14, 2008, 12:25 AM
MvP cards are still too much about luck. And when you manage to get them no lowrate, then you are prolly experienced enough so you don't need giode. OR, damn lucky. That's why I never considered them essential. Btw, most usable MvPs are killable solo..so that whole party argument is irrelevant. Okay, I get that you are making guildmates to hunt such things when you don't have time...but I wouldn't dare to ask my friends if they could spend days hunting for me thing that they could use too.
And about Ice Pick, that thing isn't by any chance minimal drop. It's just like you'd be saying why do I mention Ulle's cap.

Btw, not every 1/1/1 server is official one. I've seen private servers with tis setting, even with rates LOWER that 1.

And, 3-10 card drop might seem easy...when you can spend like 8 hours each day on RO. But most people can't. Like me, for example, when I played 3x server a few years ago, I spent over month getting one Elder Willow card with my sage.

And, you wanna some proof? Well...I'm unable to play RO right now cause of having Linux installed right now, but when I will be playing again...we might meet on some server. I'll keep an EDP bottle with your name :P

Well all in all, I hate low rates now. It covered a total of 3months timespan in my life for nothing+expenses.
yes indeed, I would love to duel with you in any max level/rates.

Quote from: Helrouis on Jun 14, 2008, 02:23 AM

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 14, 2008, 12:25 AM
MvP cards are still too much about luck. And when you manage to get them no lowrate, then you are prolly experienced enough so you don't need giode. OR, damn lucky. That's why I never considered them essential. Btw, most usable MvPs are killable solo..so that whole party argument is irrelevant. Okay, I get that you are making guildmates to hunt such things when you don't have time...but I wouldn't dare to ask my friends if they could spend days hunting for me thing that they could use too.
And about Ice Pick, that thing isn't by any chance minimal drop. It's just like you'd be saying why do I mention Ulle's cap.

Btw, not every 1/1/1 server is official one. I've seen private servers with tis setting, even with rates LOWER that 1.

And, 3-10 card drop might seem easy...when you can spend like 8 hours each day on RO. But most people can't. Like me, for example, when I played 3x server a few years ago, I spent over month getting one Elder Willow card with my sage.

And, you wanna some proof? Well...I'm unable to play RO right now cause of having Linux installed right now, but when I will be playing again...we might meet on some server. I'll keep an EDP bottle with your name :P

Well all in all, I hate low rates now. It covered a total of 3months timespan in my life for nothing+expenses.
yes indeed, I would love to duel with you in any max level/rates.

Make a test server  :P

IMO, offense is the best defense so I usually go for +10 Main Gauche[4] and a +10 Blade[4]. Using 2 Blades would be better for damages but it takes off a lot of ASPD.

Quote from: Loki on Jun 14, 2008, 08:41 AM

Quote from: Helrouis on Jun 14, 2008, 02:23 AM

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 14, 2008, 12:25 AM
MvP cards are still too much about luck. And when you manage to get them no lowrate, then you are prolly experienced enough so you don't need giode. OR, damn lucky. That's why I never considered them essential. Btw, most usable MvPs are killable solo..so that whole party argument is irrelevant. Okay, I get that you are making guildmates to hunt such things when you don't have time...but I wouldn't dare to ask my friends if they could spend days hunting for me thing that they could use too.
And about Ice Pick, that thing isn't by any chance minimal drop. It's just like you'd be saying why do I mention Ulle's cap.

Btw, not every 1/1/1 server is official one. I've seen private servers with tis setting, even with rates LOWER that 1.

And, 3-10 card drop might seem easy...when you can spend like 8 hours each day on RO. But most people can't. Like me, for example, when I played 3x server a few years ago, I spent over month getting one Elder Willow card with my sage.

And, you wanna some proof? Well...I'm unable to play RO right now cause of having Linux installed right now, but when I will be playing again...we might meet on some server. I'll keep an EDP bottle with your name :P

Well all in all, I hate low rates now. It covered a total of 3months timespan in my life for nothing+expenses.
yes indeed, I would love to duel with you in any max level/rates.

Make a test server  :P

IMO, offense is the best defense so I usually go for +10 Main Gauche[4] and a +10 Blade[4]. Using 2 Blades would be better for damages but it takes off a lot of ASPD.

Well, it takes a lot of ASPD indeed. A whole lot. How would be offensive? SBK?

Full crit, prolly. IMO if you want crit with sword+dagger, silver shotel is the way to go.

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 15, 2008, 01:38 AM
Full crit, prolly. IMO if you want crit with sword+dagger, silver shotel is the way to go.

Is it effective even on 99/70? I believe it really s_cks the aspd. =/

I dunno, he mentioned sword+dagger, I just added my opinion about it. Never tested tho.

Thinking about it...swords have sucky aspd, but better dmg vs. medium/large. And that +50 crit...meh, you could get decent crit without having to add points to luck.

Katars = good aspd , and x2 critical rating.

yep. DD have better damage tho I think.

Not sure about all that 2x crit...it does not show at stat window, and I never observed increase in crit while having katar equipped.

Quote from: Sarin on Jun 15, 2008, 04:30 AM
yep. DD have better damage tho I think.

Not sure about all that 2x crit...it does not show at stat window, and I never observed increase in crit while having katar equipped.

Yes, it doesn't show in the stat, however, get 50 critical on your status window = 100 in real when using katar. That is the truth - based on eA's source.

If you're going for a crit build, which would deal max damage, use Katar(Jur for more slots). No point arguing there.

But IMO, I think its better to get an Incant Samurai Card(low low low chance but its second weakest next to Moonlight) and use Daggers+Blade. Does Doppleganger card works? That would be a useful card for ASPD. And use other ASPD/AGI adding items/food. Would be hard, but it would be worth a shot to try, maybe in a test server.

Quote from: Loki on Jun 15, 2008, 10:49 AM
If you're going for a crit build, which would deal max damage, use Katar(Jur for more slots). No point arguing there.

But IMO, I think its better to get an Incant Samurai Card(low low low chance but its second weakest next to Moonlight) and use Daggers+Blade. Does Doppleganger card works? That would be a useful card for ASPD. And use other ASPD/AGI adding items/food. Would be hard, but it would be worth a shot to try, maybe in a test server.

You mean to say Doppelganger's broken if it gives 190 aspd. /ok

Quote from: Helrouis on Jun 15, 2008, 02:10 PM

Quote from: Loki on Jun 15, 2008, 10:49 AM
If you're going for a crit build, which would deal max damage, use Katar(Jur for more slots). No point arguing there.

But IMO, I think its better to get an Incant Samurai Card(low low low chance but its second weakest next to Moonlight) and use Daggers+Blade. Does Doppleganger card works? That would be a useful card for ASPD. And use other ASPD/AGI adding items/food. Would be hard, but it would be worth a shot to try, maybe in a test server.

You mean to say Doppelganger's broken if it gives 190 aspd. /ok

Not for those who are desperate to have some ASPD  :P

Quote from: Loki on Jun 15, 2008, 10:36 PM

Quote from: Helrouis on Jun 15, 2008, 02:10 PM

Quote from: Loki on Jun 15, 2008, 10:49 AM
If you're going for a crit build, which would deal max damage, use Katar(Jur for more slots). No point arguing there.

But IMO, I think its better to get an Incant Samurai Card(low low low chance but its second weakest next to Moonlight) and use Daggers+Blade. Does Doppleganger card works? That would be a useful card for ASPD. And use other ASPD/AGI adding items/food. Would be hard, but it would be worth a shot to try, maybe in a test server.

You mean to say Doppelganger's broken if it gives 190 aspd. /ok

Not for those who are desperate to have some ASPD  :P

Only some servers has doppel at 190 aspd (w/c not supposed to be).. Because ever since i experienced an offline server in my cafe years and years ago, doppel was broken already.

So, I finally made a major update to my guide. Added some basic tactical tips, corrected some typos and pretty much cleaned it up. I hope you will like it.

Two things I just realized about your guide.

A) You make no mention of using an Ice Pick in your off hand in your SBK explanation area.
B) I don't think I saw the words "Combat Knife" anywhere. @.@;

Combat knife: Oh yea, I kinda forget those lvl4 weapons that are available only via long quest or from bio MvPs. The knife itself is a good addition for "defensive" Meteor (the one where you need more reductions than hitting power, like when facing sacri pally), but it is purely defensive weapon. Ice pick is better for Meteor/DD/SB.

I didn't mention Ice Pick for SBK, because I consider SBK almost purely hunting skill. Yes, it is extremely effective IF you have full time Bragi. But only then, and you will then be bound to role of "fire support". No hunting down of lone enemies, no empbreaking, no assassinations of precast chars...kinda lose most of fun from playing SinX. If you want to be bound to this role, go ahead, take it. But using IP for hunting only...what a waste.

You forgot Icepick SBK kills high DEF GR/DR users easily. Well, that's a really specific role, but still...

It's not bad to have a long range attack which has the potential to 1hko these pesky miniboss card users, especially if a High Priest is ard. Also, before you can say Sonic Blow, PALADIN. This pretty much pwns them.

Long range attacks are always so much more tactical/lower-risk as a cloaking class.

GR/Deviling users are so easy to kill...for SinX, no matter what build, as easy or easier to kill than ED users.

Like I said, for SBK to be as effective as other builds you need full time Bragi. It's not bad to have one such SinX in guild, if you have a Bragi bard, but he's about as fun to play as precasting wizard.

By the way, you might wanna add hill winds as another leveling spot (LHZ up up left)

True...been some time, good for 70-80ish levels if you have only earth katar.

If you have to do the job quest, it's not bad to spend some time outside the temple to gain some initial job levels..
...aaand the sandmen there drop earth katar and are mobbable..woo what a coincidence :)

anyway, there's always an endow possibility..

Nice Guide  ;D

Quote from: Sarin on May 02, 2008, 10:22 PM
If there is no reseter on your server, leveling guide for trans part will be of no use for no agi builds.

What if the server that I am playing in does not have a reseter? Could you suggest other ways? I am following your katar semi-agi build, btw.

then there is just one way...find some char simulator, find out what equip you will get, simuate the exact stats of you future SinX, and then just be careful while distributing stat points. Semi-agi build can still handle GTing mobs, while not as effectively as full agi, but will do.

thank you for contributing this nice guide

Lixious , dont teach how a SinX have to do on a GVG , or its function ... just tell to equip your STR gear and go.



ALICE WITH CRAMP FOR GODSAKE , NOT THAT CRAP OF VANBERK AND ULLES
and have a fb right by yout side ...

Quote from: mrangel on Jan 27, 2009, 09:10 PM
ALICE WITH CRAMP FOR GODSAKE , NOT THAT CRAP OF VANBERK AND ULLES
and have a fb right by yout side ...

I don't like the Tarou+Cramp combo. Vanberk+Mantis card gives an equal amount, and these are hunted more than Crap cards and thus easier to get.

Though, personally, I prefer Vesper Cores. 3 Str and 10 Atk vs. 4 Str from a Ring+Mantis means I have to put two more points in Str, but I'll have more Atk which is great when your damage is as much multiplied as Assasin Crosses do thanks to all those bonusses.

Speaking about vesper cores etc, I prefer using Giant Whisper card, thus I am deprived of +2 str bonus from Aliot, so if I use Nightmare card too (I got used to it lately, since some people started to use sleep armor), my STR bonus doesn't allow me to wear vesper cores...maybe one, but I'd have to let go another two points of vit.
Vanberk and Mantis is much better than Cramp+Tarou. Allows you to switch headgears without loosing too much str, and when you have to do some empbreaking, then you will see the real strength of Vanberk card.
FB is, of course, used in some cases, but I rarely need to use defensive equip.Speaking of Ulle, those stat bonuses, if you translate them into stat points saved, are worth quite a lot. Alice is, of course, option if available, but not every server has them, and you have to use nightmare card with it...and your vit will go down again cause lack of stat bonuses.

not sure about your guide. .is it for killing or for emp breaking?. .too much of a hybrid is never good. .
here is my respond to your guide
The Ultimate Sonic Blow Build (low rate version)

stats:
str: 90-99
agi: 60-70
vit: 25-30
dex: 60-70
luk: 1(dont need luck. . i'm all skills)

Equips(low rate version sadly)
head upper: alice doll(vanberk)-for atak / poo2x,Fberet,Gberet-for def /
head middle: angel/devil Wing ears
armor: +7-9pantie[1](marc,ED,peco2x)
garment: +7-9undershirt[1](whisper/9 tails)
weapon: +7-10boned infil[1](skel worker)<<=most xpensiv item in the build
footgear: +9shoes/boots(antique firelock)
accs: 2x RoM

forget EMp breaking
with this build . . .u'll be killing more people anywhere/anytime
easy to lvl up and cost effective

PS. bring lots of EDP/whites/speeds/awakes during woe/pvp

. .and remeber katars = always x2 crit ever since i was 12. .never changed

Quote from: tinoyeah on Feb 28, 2010, 10:15 AM
here is my respond to your guide
The Ultimate Fail Sonic Blow Build (low rate version)

Fix'd.

Too much dex, too low vit.

Equip is totally wrong...some flee is good to have, but is unreliable to use. You should always have at least enough hitpoints to take your own, 40% reflected SB. Too low vit means you are easily stunned, and therefore against good people, dead. And meh...this guide is old, I never got to update it.

-why should i put in to vit anyways. . if your against a party your gonna die anyways. .
-even if its 40 vit up. . you still gonna get stunned. . so be it. . die
-reflects??. .this build stays away from paladins. . why should we even hit them. .thats suicide
-50 dex?? lol. . how are you gonna hit snipers? stalkers? sinx?
-sinx should do wat they do best. .and that is to evade. .thus high evade equips
-LKs SinXs cant hit u. .and even snipers cant. although rare
-u cant evade asura/AD/mage spells. .oh well. .dead. .
-this build needs fast hands and 10 yrs of RO experience to work. .
-if u just play sinx in theory. .and not in game. .then this build is not for you. .

Quote from: tinoyeah on Mar 02, 2010, 04:02 AM
-why should i put in to vit anyways. . if your against a party your gonna die anyways. .
-even if its 40 vit up. . you still gonna get stunned. . so be it. . die
-reflects??. .this build stays away from paladins. . why should we even hit them. .thats suicide
-50 dex?? lol. . how are you gonna hit snipers? stalkers? sinx?
-sinx should do wat they do best. .and that is to evade. .thus high evade equips
-LKs SinXs cant hit u. .and even snipers cant. although rare
-u cant evade asura/AD/mage spells. .oh well. .dead. .
-this build needs fast hands and 10 yrs of RO experience to work. .
-if u just play sinx in theory. .and not in game. .then this build is not for you. .

Sorry, gonna have to agree with Sarin.. but this isn't an appropriate build if you are sizing up versus more experienced players.
VIT patches that stun hole, and also gives you more tank-ability which is very vital in high level play..., if you get stunned, good players know and will abuse this fact.

Anything that is a Sniper/stalker/SinX with agi, and assume that his AGI is so high to dodge 90% of your attack he/she has probably sacrifice so much VIT.. you could always just tag to a weapon like triple cecil bloody / or even quad mummied sb, and if all else fails.. one gorgon shield tag status or x status makes them history.

All in all, 50 is a solid number for dex, some go higher like 60, 65, that's acceptable too.. but it should not come to the point that you have to sacrifice a decent stun immunity.

You can evade asura with hide, and that goes the same for non-insta mage spells.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3nH5mMNdAg - old video made for someone who truly believed you could not hide-dodge asuras.


overall, any player that can't hit a 60-70 agi SinX + flee gear with a character like LK/Sniper is not a decent player.
You will get statused, stunned and abused by the holes in your build by any decent player.


ps:
Paladins are outmatched by any decent SinX player.

I used to have a stalker with 240+ flee and 20ish vit, and died to two high swordies with it because they bashed me with vvs weapons until I stunned, so yes, getting vit is a good idea if you're going to pvp or woe  :D

lol . .i'd love to see that. . u must have sukd really hard. .

Yes I did suck, just like your build and apparently your knowledge of the game mechanics  :P

@tinoyeah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAliSiOLj-E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAliSiOLj-E)

higher quality stream:
http://vimeo.com/7570482 (http://vimeo.com/7570482)

watch above vid for reference on how to properly play sinx.

-yes, that sinx has 90-100vit (vit food). no, he doesn't stun. and yes, 90/100 is more than 40.
-yes, that sinx 1hko paladins.
-that sinx has lower than 50 dex base afaik. lrn2deal with flee chars. hint: envenom/status
-no, what sinxs do best is edp cloak sbgt 1hko lolol
-they can if they're not terribad
-yes, and those are the skills that matter in woe, so why flee? why?
-with fasthands and "10"yrs of exp, no one would play that build
-no u

PS: relics i'm sure you'll like that vid  ;)

Points to note in that vid:
Cran+headgear+CK switch after every SB. Convert+headgear+katar switch before every SB. Possibly even brynhild switches.
ya lol speedpot grimtooth
yes, this is what woe2 is all about. MEspam, edp refreshes even when no enemies are around, speedpot spamming, ad spam.

@1:04 is why i dont even recommend mid-vit. dazzler spam of that calibre isn't funny.
@4.09 look at that biochem go. yes, it's agi built. long gone are the days of int-stacking, it's all about dps now.
@7:39 courage vs MP champ and prof + random biochem
@7.54 yes, courage tried to sb him with sb gear on, failed, cran+fb+ck switched str8 to survive an asura which would otherwise have killed him, and immediately switched back to katar+horns to try and sb again.

thats about it, aside from that video featuring some very skilled stuff and coordination. and i know i'm being a fanboy, but here's his/her eq as reference. @sarin, hope you didn't mind this post. at least it's ontopic rite?  :P

(http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq353/stardrain/toys.jpg)

Fifth element music = automatically good video.

the solos at 7:30+ were interesting  ;)

but nothing like i havent seen before

yep. it is a prime example of how a sinx shld be played in woe, which while isn't anything "extraordinary", is quite rare in itself, sadly.

and i'm always a fan of ME battles. it's the only time when u feel like woe's really fun. woe1.0's just zergrush or camping, depending on if you're attacking or defending.

vid is also a perfect example of how woe should be like, in a non one-sided way.

the only glaring thing that i would pick out is perhaps the lack of aid condensed potion pitchers.

(and it's surprising how many ppl still scoff at agi biochems/ think stacking int for AD creos is the way to go)

Interesting, but well...I'd really, REALLY like to see his chat tab, I'd say there's a good chance he's actually got the switching macroed...

And by the way...this vid shows EXACTLY why I hate mobfests...you're pinned to 80+ vit, greatly reducing variety of builds.

at first i did suspect macros, but i think there was once he didn't cranswitch after a sb, as well as the timing of the cranswitches being inconsistent.

knowing how macros work myself, it prob wasn't macros.

tip: u see those people wearing dark baciliums? those are the ghetto-OH users. meaning they're on 1vit. stun-proof+5dark bash and a valk armor = 100% stun immunity. that's also the reason why they're perma-sac'd.

but ya, 1vit and 80+ vit are generally the 2 sides of vit one HAS to go for, since dazzler is such a b!tch in woe.

icepick? what about for newbies?

This thread is great so far. Lot of helpful things that you can't find elsewhere. Should be stickied.