Best Duo Partner

[Bors]

Topic says it all... Feel free to add any strategies or whatever you like...

What classes goes good with Bow/Divest Stalker in PvP and why?

Note: Playing in a 7/7/7 server.

[horo]

Depends what you're up against. Generally Prof or HP, for obvious reasons.

[Relics]

Support prof goes good with anything that does damage.

Lex, buff support from a priest is awesome..


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[Green]

Eh. Depends on the player, too. Having a super-good of another class would beat having a crappy priest. XD

[LodrikBadric]

In a duo priest is the best imo. He can protect you with safetywall and use lex divina on the enemy while you are trying to strip him and keep him next to you with close confine.

[Poki]

Assassin Cross or a High priest.  Your stalker becomes useless after strip if the opponent has pneuma.  Best you can do would be having a status bow on.  You would strip first and let the Assassin Cross wait in cloak.  If your partner is a High priest, go for a strip and hope that the High priest can use safety wall on the opponents before a pnuema is placed against you.

Once you strip, you pull back as soon as possible, put on a double silence double cursing bow and shoot away those in Pneuma.  If they're not in pneuma, use a bow that can kill.
Watch out if you can't strip them to start with.  You might want some vitality or some pots before you start.


Scenario I: Pneuma
If they pneuma before or after strip, use double silence double cursing bow.  Get them to slow down and silence if they have no intelligence.  Once they're slow, the Assassin Cross may EDP and Sonic blow.  It should be a one hit kill after strip or a safe Sonic Blow since they're extremely slow.  Try to curse all players that you're against.  If they use hide, it's up to the assassin cross and you to use a sight clip [horong card].


Scenario II:  No Pneuma
Try to strip then pull back (If you can or not) and status them first.  Ignore trying to kill them quickly and let the Assassin Cross get in between you and the opponents.  Once the Assassin Cross is in place, he/she will use hide and EDP'd Grimtooth the crowd while they're all silenced or cursed.  The chances for the Assassin Cross to die while using grimtooth is very slim.  The same goes for you.  You might want to put two Errende Ebecee cards in your accessory just in case.  This would help if they use far range skills to target you.

As for the High priest, you just need to wish that he/she is awesome.  They must be able to silence, safety wall the opponents (No one is melee and it stops the Pneuma for you), heal and debuff the opponents, and is able to tank.
Thing is, you might want someone as your partner that can kill.  Your stalker isn't the best at killing.

I'm very sure there's quite a few blanks within this strategy.  I'm just not in the mood to think of every possible scenarios for you to counter with.

It also really depends on what kind of players you're against and what type of classes or players are available as your partner.
Oh right, and I'm assuming you're a DS bow stalker.  If you're a BB stalker then ignore then the priest should use Pneuma before the opponents use safety wall... and the Assassin Cross would then be a pretty bad pick.

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Basically, it's best if you have:
1 Range Character + 1 Melee Character
1 Range Character + 1 Support Character
1 Melee Character + 1 Support Character

The support can be a mix of range and support too. (ex. Proffessor)

But yeah, there's quite a few combinations man.  It'd be nice if you gave a scenario or something.

[fluidin]

My advice would be to get a killer.

Champs/SinXs/Creos are all good. The first and third also have certain support/debuff capabilities, while the SinX+you = really sneaky, lol.

Another thing is, don't get complacent. I have EDP-Envenom spammed a Stalker to death once, after he thought it was over when he stripped me.

[horo]

champ + crea are too easy to disable in a pvp setting.

[LiteX]

Topic says it all... Feel free to add any strategies or whatever you like...

What classes goes good with Bow/Divest Stalker in PvP and why?

Note: Playing in a 7/7/7 server.

If you mean on a 2v2 scenario then it depends on many things, mainly the opponent's class

[fluidin]

@horo: That really depends on what classes they go up against, and how skilled they are anyway.

I just can't see his Stalker plus another support killing anyone decent though. The opponent(s) will likely just outpot, or bwing out due to boredom :X If you want to win consistently, I will actually suggest you play a SinX and Prof comp.

[horo]

Noone decent uses pots in PvP, and a full dex BB by a stalker should do decent enough damage on fullstripped (lexed) targets to take them out pretty fast.

[Relics]

I pot all the time in PvP..

[LiteX]

I pot all the time in PvP..

Potting in PvP usually depends on the server's ethic lines

[Relics]

Whatever the ethic lines, if they don't pot then me and my party will and it will eventually turn into a potting server.

[horo]

Potting was despised in iRO pvp when it was implemented first and that's what I've stuck with ever since. Never seen official pvp videos where people pot, as there's just no point to potting in PvP at all.

[Sarin]

Spreaking about ethics, I don't pot in pvp. And when enemy does, I just pop EDP and blow them off anyway.

[fluidin]

At least one official server (mRO) pots in pvp, that I can tell you.

I also kinda rmb a iRO or euRO (if I'm not wrong) pvp video of 2 sinxs a year back. A TGK edp-ed SB sinx vs a high DEF edp-ed SB/VD spamming one. They potted berries ffs.

....

All i can say is I will pot if i need to, unless it's a previously stated no-potting match. And what happens when you meet a good sinx who cranswitches and pots, sarin?

And then there are the "sapu-ers". people who like to go inside pvp (solo/partied) to CLEAR everyone out. You can't achieve that if you don't pot :x

[horo]

potting replaces skill just as donating for overpowered items does

[fluidin]

true in a certain sense, but it does take some skill to pot too. I am already consistently pressing ~10 of my bm hotkeys every other moment, and still have to pot 3 other resources on top of it (RJ, whites, berries; you have to pot RJ when statused, whites constantly, and berry when your hp drops too fast). Not easy. I always liked to think that my stint at o2jam helped xD (Granted that's in woe).

You do get to use a lot more skills and strategies instead of just burst damage ones in a no-potter tho. But when someone good pots in pvp and you don't, thats gonna be one huge disadvantage. you can always have 'skilled' matches when in a potting match with someone good too :/ just that reflexes and fast fingers are a large part of that 'skilled'

Kinda depends on whether you feel fastest fingers or strategies are a larger part of 'skill', i guess :x

[Sarin]

Oh, if I meet some yggspammer or something I can't oneshot with SB? Well then I'm gonna make them run dry. Hit'n run grimtooth, especially now cause on my server is episode 13.1 stuff, so I have 181 aspd grimtooth, is enough to show em.
And btw, I can deal with cranial switcher. It's about timing.

[LiteX]

Umm...this thread is getting derailed/off-topic...

[fluidin]

Yeah.

Lol sarin, you didn't get my point. I don't care about ur leet pvp skillz and how you are going to counter what I stated (which aim wasn't to start a mechanics debate), what I mean is if you meet someone who will consistently win you if you don't pot, what are you going to do? Continue not to pot and get owned?

Because there ARE people around that are that good. I admit I'm not a worldwide top tier pvper, and I doubt you are.

[Sarin]

I would never pot. Instead, I'd try to find a way...good thing about well built SinX is very wide tactical possiblities.

[horo]

yea because Sinx is such a versatile class 

[Sarin]

That's why I play it. I'm no OMG I GOTZ EDP LINK SB noob. Killing under any circumstances, that's my motto.

[horo]

I was being sarcastic, outside of the equip switching most classes need to do, Sinx is one of the most simple and straight forward classes to play, and please don't even try to argue against this, because then you'd be screaming against the collective opinion of official server players everywhere 

[Relics]

Hide and grim

walk and sonic

backslide abit, cloak some more, throw some knives.. throw in soulbreaker for laughs and kicks.


They make a good partner though, for the damage and straightforwardness lol.

[Sarin]

You know, I don't give a flying f**k about official servers. It's a lot different on private servers, be it because of lower population or rates that make some equip more widely available, or customizations or whatever...
Average SinX is straightforward. But good, well played SinX has at least 4 means of damaging enemy, and 4 more tactical skills. I'd say it's at least twice than average character.
Let's take a look at it, during WoE I utilize: old good SB, grimtooth as damager and/or status inducer, dagger+shield for both means as previous and empbreaking, melee attack with katar as empbreaking or softening up before SB, venom dust, meteor assault, sometimes even throw stone. Not even mentioning cloak and hide...
Compare with other classes and talk about straightforwardness.

[fluidin]

I agree they're pretty much straightforward in a sense, but you do get the most out of fast fingers with them (And champ, of course).

I did always consider reflexes and fast fingers part of skill :/

Also, something that needs skill will be the Poison Toad + Envenom + Backslide trick. And anything other than a Champion or Prof isn't that much harder to play well anw.

[Sarin]

I think it's more about the server than a class. I've seen servers where playing champ was only speedpot-Asura-ygg-zenfuryzen and repeat. Just like on offic servers SinX is all about SB. On the other hand, servers with low, but skilled population often require skill and versatility to win.

[Relics]

I play SinX and I know their tricks.. but apart from the switching, their approach is very straightforward mainly because the class has been whored so much.

Still, for a partner they a great job because their damage is ridiculous high. Couple that with a Storm gust stripping stalker and you've got yourself a 2-man team. (Prof is still better with SinX imo)

[fluidin]

Yeah, Prof + SinX = possibly the best 2v2 comp.

Also, what do you guys feel is harder to play than a SinX anyway? Champ and Prof, sure. But the others? Just look at WS. Now that's what I call straightforward.

[Sarin]

Hm, speaking of PvP (no Assu restrictions) I'd prefer HP+SinX. Because good HP can tank damn good, and can give SinX enough time to take both enemies out. Not to mention old good Lex Aeterna.
Pretty much any class can be played either as specialists by maxing efficency of one or two skills and nothing else, that is how it goes mostly on offic servers, where high population allows guilds to have specialists for all possibilities. Or they can be played as versatile hybrids, like my SinX, that is better on low-pop servers. IMO hybrids are much harder, but more rewarding to play.

[Poki]

I prefer my type of stalker, a support one (Even though people disagree) with a SinX that can kill properly and knows how to play well.

But yeah, I thought this was about a duo WITH a stalker as one of them?