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Ragnarok Online => General Discussion => Topic started by: Guest on Sep 27, 2007, 10:42 PM

Poll
Question: Estamated Death Time of RO
Option 1: 1-4 Years or Less
Option 2: 5-9 Years
Option 3: 10-14 Years
Option 4: 14-18 Years
Option 5: 19-23 Years or More
Title: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Sep 27, 2007, 10:42 PM
so sadly RO is a dying game and i dun mean certain servers
sadly ppl r losing interest in it or there just moving on to diff games
so i'm wondering when ppl think ro is gona be like dead and by dead i mean that the highest populated server has only like 500 ppl playing it

so when does everyone think RO is gona be pretty much dead?
i say in about 30ish years no ones gona be playing RO
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: asdfqwerty123 on Sep 28, 2007, 12:35 AM
I would say less than three years after the official (not beta) English version of Ragnarok Online 2 before most major servers die off.

Friends move on, people adjust, the players look back in nostalgia at a previous version, and forget about it.

I'm not likely to move on to Ragnarok Online 2 since there probably won't be good server emulators for it.

I would say the average game-life span for a casual MMORPG gamer is roughly six months to a year.

More than likely, once the servers start to grind to a halt they'll force people to move to RO2 or quit by going offline.

Hosting costs too much money to keep old versions of games up for too long.

I'm somewhat looking forward to new generation MMORPG's, even if they aren't all that revolutionary.

I'll probably try out PristonTale2 once they get a decent English version up and running as long as it's not entirely p2p.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Kurogasa on Sep 28, 2007, 02:05 PM
RO2 seems to play nothing like ro. It has similar elements story and name wise(item/skill names etc) but its a completely different type of game from what ive seen so i doubt people will move straight to it. Similar to how The recent Shadowrun game that came out for xbox is nothing like the original rpg Shadowruns(its a crappy 3rd person shooter in its latest incaranation -.-) yet it uses some of the distinctive things of the series(magics mercenaries story stuff). The Super nes version was the best.. but the actual original game was pen and paper... completely off topic i know.

Im considering moving to Guildwars myself. It is competetively based nice playstyle and extremely balanced. They pay quite a bit of attention to balance since tournaments and competitive play in general is a big part of the game. Also helps that theres no monthly fee.. although in order to have the full range of skills and classes for pvp you have to buy all of the chapters(or at least most of them.. i believe you can leave off the very first one) which could sum up to around 150-200$ Nevertheless im considering it. The pvp modes there is skill/strategy/teamwork based and not level/time/wealth based. Even the non popular builds can be very powerful with proper use.. this seems perfect for me.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Oct 02, 2007, 09:40 PM
Dx it seems most ppl think RO is gona be dead within ten years how depressing T_T
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: ExcaliburLost on Oct 10, 2007, 09:20 AM
Why muse over when it will die when one could enjoy it while it lasts?
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: asdfqwerty123 on Oct 10, 2007, 09:46 AM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 02, 2007, 09:40 PM
Dx it seems most ppl think RO is gona be dead within ten years how depressing T_T

In ten years you won't even be their target market anyway.  I'm sure you'll find something else before then.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Ambrose Merle on Oct 10, 2007, 09:52 PM
-is drinking water and staring much like L does- I find this post amusing... Ro will survive years after it's gone becuase someone will refuse to let go, such is life. I've already gotten bored with Ro, I stay on to help other players, if a majority of the servers do die out soon though, I'm gone without notice. If you want a good game a bit closer to RO than most, try some of the Forgotten Realms series by Wizards of the Sword Coast, I hear they are even gonna be going MMORPG soon... Another WoW maybe...? Ok back to work I go~ Have fun everyone, and no trolling~ Everyone knows what happens the trolls -points at the decapitated head on his wall with a gold panel below it labeled "troll"- Just ask Zairik or Emerelda what happens to them, after all, they're proffesional troll hunters ;D

--edit--
... The two who voted 50 years or more proved my first point... No offense, it is a good game and can be played solo after all -shifty eyes- not that I'd know o.o
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: yC on Oct 10, 2007, 11:01 PM
i dont like the poll option, min 10 yr is too much, u should have 1-2yr, 2-5yr, 5-10 etc
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: bensei on Oct 11, 2007, 03:41 PM
Quote from: yC on Oct 10, 2007, 11:01 PM
i dont like the poll option, min 10 yr is too much, u should have 1-2yr, 2-5yr, 5-10 etc
i agree, if i could vote, i'd say maybe 3 more years.

Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Oct 11, 2007, 07:01 PM
lol there its got lower numbers XDD happy?

its still depressing alot of ppl play this game till there around 20 - 25 (the oldest player i new was 46)
but i dun think i'd be able to stop with RO XD even though i dun lvl or do anything i just chit chat~
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: bensei on Oct 12, 2007, 02:43 PM
if your using ro just for chatting purposes, quitting wouldnt be too hard for you, since you could simply use a instant messanger ti replace ro for you.

games are -always- nice for a time. But youll see, you get older, play other games, you move on. Someday Ro will just bore you. Thats the destiny of every game. It has to end someday.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: yC on Oct 12, 2007, 05:13 PM
don't forget there are new blood coming in everyday (yea because it is "free" ...)

and older players come back to play it after some time too.

Heh, 46 isn't the oldest.  I heard there are grandpa and house wife type playing it.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Oct 12, 2007, 06:50 PM
lol well i would use IRC but i hate IRC
so i chat in game XD
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Rbread on Oct 13, 2007, 07:59 PM
I'd say either 1-2 years.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Skeith on Oct 14, 2007, 12:00 AM
Well since those new classes are going to be implemented in 2008 (or so some resources say) Id say in oh....over 2 years, or whenever they stop updating and just drop it haha. I myself have "quit" RO many times due to boredom, but after you stop playing for a good amount of time, someone reminds you of the game and all the fun you had, and it just makes you want to play again, experience WoE again. Face it, RO is fun lol.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Transcend on Oct 14, 2007, 06:42 AM
I don't want that update...
Whatever they say, lvl 150 is dumb...
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Skeith on Oct 14, 2007, 11:57 AM
Well, maybe its used to balance them out, they could be weaker, who knows. And besides most servers are customized, and if they dont like that 150 cap, they can change it to w/e they like.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Kurogasa on Oct 14, 2007, 03:10 PM
QuoteI don't want that update...
Whatever they say, lvl 150 is dumb...

Yep. I think they are purposely breaking the game so people move on to Ro2. This has been done in many other games when a new version is coming out(and doesnt really work all the time).

Look at some of the new gears as well.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Oct 14, 2007, 03:10 PM
agreed lvl 150 seems dumb to me too
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Lantis on Oct 14, 2007, 03:42 PM
Hopefully RO2's server files leak. :P It will speed up the emulation process. There are a couple of projects around already.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Skeith on Oct 14, 2007, 04:05 PM
Quote from: Kurogasa on Oct 14, 2007, 03:10 PM
QuoteI don't want that update...
Whatever they say, lvl 150 is dumb...

Yep. I think they are purposely breaking the game so people move on to Ro2. This has been done in many other games when a new version is coming out(and doesnt really work all the time).

Look at some of the new gears as well.

That makes alot of sense, lets spend hours, and man power creating these sprites, scripting new classes, WoE castles, etc. just so people can move on to RO2....../sarcasm
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Oct 15, 2007, 07:02 PM
its true some games start out free then on their second verison they make it so u have to pay so they atempt to make ppl lose populatrity in their first copy of the game so they can pay for the second version


PS: me hate RO2 its not as cute Dx
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Skeith on Oct 15, 2007, 07:58 PM
Yea when I first saw the RO2 characters I threw up in my mouth a bit.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Transcend on Oct 16, 2007, 08:46 AM
RO2 Sucks :'(  !!!    !!! !!!       !!!
Let's stay on RO1 :)
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Oct 16, 2007, 07:10 PM
YA! RO 1 FOREVAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: yC on Oct 17, 2007, 01:59 AM
omg did i see lvl 150? are you serious? gravity is doing that? show me the news please i can't believe it ...
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Skeith on Oct 18, 2007, 08:09 AM
well heres one source.

http://ro.doddlercon.com/wiki/index.php?title=Episode_13_Another_World
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Transcend on Oct 18, 2007, 05:59 PM
yes a lvl 150 super hunter ...
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: MWright967 on Oct 19, 2007, 12:19 AM
No one here has given the correct answer unfortunately.

Let me give you a brief history of RO (I've played private servers for roughly a year, and the game since it was released)

The original RO was released in the late 90's, but not to the US. Around 2002-2003, iRO was released. It was EXTREMELY popular in Korea, Japan, and England (Go figure?). The game was actually one of the most highly played games in Korea, and believe it or not, they signed a deal with Domino's Pizza to put an NPC into the game which you could enter your credit card info, address, and your order, and they would deliver it to you, I'm not s*** you.

RO was a huge success. There are, literally, millions of players believe it or not, mainly in countries other than the US.

The real iRO servers have about...100k people on them. Due to the lack of player body and utter failing of RO2, they've started to focus on RO again, as with the addition of the kafra shop, 11.3, etc...

Private servers? They make up a small fraction of the RO world. I've guesstimated, by using charts from server listing sites and connections, that roughly 30 new US private servers are made daily, and about 5 die. That doesn't sound so bad to me.

Despite what you may think, and what it looks like, RO is an extremely huge game, with even more players than Diablo II, which is huge.

This game will never actually die, unless computers advance past it somehow. Gemstone 3 has been around a hell of a lot longer than RO, and its stilled around with a few thousand actually PAYING for it. It is extremely rare that a game EVER dies completely. A game never loses more than 1/4 of its maximum player base, because its the cycle of life. Those who die, are replaced by those who are born. People who leave the game out of bordum, will be replaced by those who have never played and seek enjoyment.

Ragnarok is one of those games that, no matter how crappy the graphics may seem at times, or how old it is, its an enjoyable, fun, and action filled game. Thats, personally, all I really care about.

If you really asked me, in my heart of hearts, how long it would be around? 70 years. Games are the books of the future. No matter how old the get, people will still play them. My guess is 70 years since, by that point, computers may actually have trouble reading such an old script.

That is my sensus of the entire matter.

Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: pfja1st on Oct 22, 2007, 10:35 PM
i hope ro will never die, even if modern time comes. i'm still a noob, i wana play more n learn more, i hope we will be stuck in dis tech time of 2007! /heh
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Oct 23, 2007, 06:53 PM
lol well i plan on hanging out on RO servers for another 5 years at min ^^
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Helrouis on Oct 29, 2007, 10:12 AM
I think not. Not unless gravity stopped updating RO. And moved their works to RO2..
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Rbread on Oct 29, 2007, 11:31 AM
Quote
If you really asked me, in my heart of hearts, how long it would be around? 70 years. Games are the books of the future. No matter how old the get, people will still play them. My guess is 70 years since, by that point, computers may actually have trouble reading such an old script.

Dying doesn't mean the game will be stopped playing.  Dying is when the game loses popularity.  Is Starcraft dead? yes.  But is it still being played?  Yes.  However, 70 years is too farfetched.  There haven't been any electronic games that have existed 70 years to even compare that with.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: MWright967 on Oct 29, 2007, 07:03 PM
Quote from: Riotblade on Oct 29, 2007, 11:31 AM
Quote
If you really asked me, in my heart of hearts, how long it would be around? 70 years. Games are the books of the future. No matter how old the get, people will still play them. My guess is 70 years since, by that point, computers may actually have trouble reading such an old script.

Dying doesn't mean the game will be stopped playing.  Dying is when the game loses popularity.  Is Starcraft dead? yes.  But is it still being played?  Yes.  However, 70 years is too farfetched.  There haven't been any electronic games that have existed 70 years to even compare that with.


O.o....Are you kidding me? Starcraft dead? I'm sorry, I have to LOL at that one.

Do you have ANY idea how huge Starcraft is n China, Korea, and the US? Its phenomenal, even now. Hundreds of thousands of people are playing it at any given time, that's not exactly dead to me.

As for comparison, no, I don't, however....Theres just no reason it would be dead. Like I said, whats fun is fun, just because something gets old people won't stop playing it.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Camui on Dec 27, 2007, 01:55 AM
I'd have to agree with you MWright967, RO1 will always be around. UO has been around for 10years and still has a decent playerbase. As for SC? It isn't updated anymore but still has a huge playerbase. They often televise tournaments LIVE in Korea. Just my 2 cents on the subject.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: phranxis on Dec 27, 2007, 11:24 AM
so... whats UO?

@topic:

i think it will last for about 85 years (i guess)
when everyone posted here are already crippled
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Zone on Dec 28, 2007, 03:36 AM
I think 2~3 years, maybe less.
I took a look at RO2, it looks decent, but still too much like WoW.
I like the current RO as it is, however, the story must go somewhere, and Gravity wanted to step up their game.
RO personally is boring to me, the only reason I stick on it is because I need something to do and I have no other way of contacting friends.
My position on neRO is more of a job for me, I work it more than 40 hours a week, so that in mind, would explain why RO has come to be boring to me after playing it for 1 full year (exactly 1 year ago, but I left it for 5 months when I was in military school). If you keep reading a book over and over again, eventually you will want to stop in mid-sentence and throw the book in the fireplace.

I am going to be looking into Second Life soon, I listen to my dad and his friends talk about it while he is playing, maybe testing I dunno, Vanguard. Apparently, you can make a lot of money off of that game, enough that one man pays his mortgage with his earnings. That being said, I think I may find a second job there xD. $_$
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: MWright967 on Dec 28, 2007, 07:34 AM

OFF TOPIC:

Hey, are those Chao's from Sonic Adventure 2 chao garden? I have a max level/stat dragon chao :) /rice
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Zone on Dec 29, 2007, 06:10 PM
Who me? >.> /swt
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: pupu on Dec 30, 2007, 12:19 AM
2009 is gunna be packed.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Zone on Dec 30, 2007, 02:30 AM
Packed with what?o_0
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Infection on Dec 30, 2007, 03:50 AM
Well, there is EuphRO2. As in Ragnarok Online II. I need RO2 First. ):. But that's what I'm going to play. :]]].
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Zone on Dec 30, 2007, 04:25 AM
EuphRO2? As in the server EuphRO has an RO2 server? Or someone else has it?
I have the files for it, I would just need to register.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: MWright967 on Dec 31, 2007, 05:41 PM
Quote from: Zone on Dec 29, 2007, 06:10 PM
Who me? >.> /swt

Yes of course you :O
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Zone on Dec 31, 2007, 08:10 PM
o.o;;
I dunno...
I just got them from the same site you can go to by clicking them, but make sure to gimmeh levels :3
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: dook on Mar 11, 2008, 05:54 PM
funny thing is that RO is the only mmo ive played with a decent emulator (not sure about lineage2, but all other emu's ive tried are awful) :D id say it will be played for a long while yet, because it will be free and very customisable, a big motivator for people to try it out or play it very casually. the truth is that even now most of the free mmorpgs are pretty terrible. even RO2 looks awful and i dont think it would convert people to the point where they quit RO completely. :P I mean millions of people still play runescape and that game is terrible. heres to 70 years of RO :D
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Ansuz Isaz on Mar 11, 2008, 06:03 PM
70 years? xD Damn, I think that's a bit over done. All the same, I have to agree. Despite a lot of people saying the graphics are poor, it defeats a lot of the 3D free MMO's out there. Why? Because while it's very simplistic in design, it still manages to look detailed, clean, and attractive. ^^ It's engine really isn't that bad. It has a few bugs that could be worked out, but that's why you can edit emulators.

I have to agree with the idea of the emulator being one of the best. xD I'm still screwing around with it, and I've found that you can do pretty close to anything. It can duplicate almost any other game, however poorly, in one way or another. All you need is someone who is talented with sprite making and to know how to script, and adjust, some of the more sensitive areas.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Zinron on Mar 11, 2008, 06:21 PM
I sometimes ask that question myself, but I realize its not gonna die anytime soon. Look at some of the other games (many much older) still still have some very large communites that just seem to transcend time.

MU Online
Knight Online
Everquest
Lineage(one)
PSO
Starcraft
Diablo 2

Yeah I know the last 2 arent even MMO's but I think you get the point. Many online games never truely die especcially when they get enough fans to keep the dead horse alive on drugs.

Edit: :o didnt notice the 4 pages long. Yarg!
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: mark_sanbeda on Mar 11, 2008, 06:44 PM
its gonna be dead by the time our generation got bored on it [idk think the kids would still like to play some 2d low quality graphics]
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: dook on Mar 11, 2008, 07:08 PM
so far of all the 3d mmos i have played only FFXI and WoW have had a decent 3d control method. i dislike WoW for loads of reasons, and ffxi is suffering badly from low population on their servers, making alot of parts of the game VERY slow (waiting 6 hours for a party doesnt a fun game make :D) RO has a nice responsive interface and a fun 'pick up and play' quality that i havent seen in any other game so far. However i am eagerly awaiting Warhammer and the new star wars. The next generation of mmos may be so good that everyone stops playing RO completely :D however i cant shake the feeling that im going to be sorely dissapointed yet again :D
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: AlviN on Mar 11, 2008, 09:08 PM
a year...
no flaming plx...  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: dook on Mar 11, 2008, 09:31 PM
lol a year is such a short time to someone my age :P
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Ansuz Isaz on Mar 11, 2008, 09:38 PM
xD Hell, I KNOW I'll still be playing around with the emulator in a year. Playing the game itself, I'm not so sure, but that's just because my interest in the game tends to go up and down a lot.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 12, 2008, 04:28 AM
Well it's pointless to wonder when private RO servers will go down, because they will never go down. There will always be small, hardcore bunch of players. People still play MUDs released over twenty years ago and RO is much easier to get into.

As for the official servers, well, I'd say that the next update with 3rd classes is going to be the last one. After that RO2 will probably take over, though it will probably take a year.

Quote from: dook on Mar 11, 2008, 07:08 PMffxi is suffering badly from low population on their servers, making alot of parts of the game VERY slow

FFXI's fault is not underpopulation, FFXI's fault is the fact that it's EXCRUCIATING grindfest. Honestly, it's probably THE biggest grindfest game ever f*** released in history of MMORPGs.

(This is ironic since the korean MMORPGs are commonly known as 'korean grindfests' and FFXI is japanese. And iRO doesn't have anything on FFXI when it comes to grinding, seriously)
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: dook on Mar 12, 2008, 09:25 AM
i dont agree. if you have a decent party the exp in ffxi moves quite fast. the problem is getting that party in the first place, at least on the server i was playing.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 12, 2008, 12:40 PM
Yeah, that's the point. When going solo past level 10 is pretty much impossible, something's really damn wrong.

Forcing players to party is a stupid concept.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: dook on Mar 12, 2008, 01:22 PM
yeah soloing for exp is pretty impossible even with ninja/redmage
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: lrellok on Mar 15, 2008, 03:40 AM
Strategic conquest was a Mac based strategy game that came out in the early 80's.  Almost no one i talk to has even heard of it anymore.  Three weeks ago, i found this;

http://www.globalgamenetwork.com/strategy_war.html

The Strat Con emulator is their most popular game. 

In twenty years, do a search for Ragnarok Online.  If you look hard, i Guarantee you will find a 20-50 person aEthena based server being run by a dedicated Admin who would not let a good game die.  And you know what?  I'll bet it will be one of the best servers you will every play on.  The people who truely, deeply love these games, those are the ones people love to play with.  They love they game, so they want to follow the rules and keep things fair, cuase they want the game to keep going.  Those are the people who will keep playing, after aEthena is long gone, after no one remembers RO.  The last RO server will be the best.  See you there.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Ashe on Mar 15, 2008, 11:16 AM
iRO is gradually losing players, they iRO admins are about to hold a poll abut merging Loki and Chaos together. On average, Chaos has roughly 3000 players, including a few bots and a few hundred vendors. Loki is a bit lower, but more or less the same. It's sad to see us get all of these awesome towns, but no one goes there, at all. I give RO 3 years tops.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: mePoring on Mar 15, 2008, 03:38 PM
1-4 Years and say Na Na Na Na, Hey-ey-ey-ey, Good-Bye! :'(
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: yC on Mar 15, 2008, 04:48 PM
i think iRO needs advertising.  They need to deliver it to the English speaking countries as a main stream thing.  Shouldn't just let WoW posters posting everywhere in game shops.  If it gets more exposure, it will help it grow.

Think about when was the last time OR ever you seen an RO commercial (official RO not private server...) ... i have never seen on in my life.  I only know they have that 30 seconds commercial in avi format for download (the one started with a novice in desert and then first class trying to kill werewolf at the end) but where/when did they put it on air? korean tv?  that's it? 

In Taiwan, they actually have an RO commercial put on tv, with that song "Love Forever" taken from the Japanese commercial.  They have multiple ad campaign.  Celebrity singing theme songs / advertise on tv etc.  That's where the Sun Yan Zi (the celebrity) NPC coming from.

So yea why doesn't iRO run some effective ad campaign.  They can't just let it die.

Maybe wait until when RO has the NDS version out (or was that just a rumors) and it gets into the North American / Europe market then it will bring in some awareness and maybe new players.

Btw, ask yourself ... where did you first hear about RO?

Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Ansuz Isaz on Mar 15, 2008, 05:20 PM
xD I personally bumped into it on complete accident, back when they were still doing the first alpha testing. I believe I googled for free MMO, or something along that lines. xD Got in on their first open beta.

Really, as far as I know, the only ones who found RO without having someone from inside a server pull them in, is when they were looking for it, or something like it. =P I've never bumped into a sight that mentions it on accident, so advertising it is a very good point. =P
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: MWright967 on Mar 15, 2008, 05:28 PM
Actually, Habbo Hotel use to advertise it :P
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Sougen on Mar 22, 2008, 12:22 PM
I dunno but I think gravity is trying to please two kinds of players, the ones who played RO for so long and don't want to lose all the work they had leveling, gathering items, and building characters, and are kinda 'old-school' by giving them a full renewal to ragnarok, with many map changes, new classes and etc.

And trying to catch the new generation of players that aside from good games want flashier graphics and all with RO2, and recover the player base lost with the 'death' of ROSE online (since gravity stopped developing it - and the remaining servers in japan and NA are now developed separately and only available for those territories - and it's servers were shutdown, ROSE and RO2 have a really similar interface and engine).

I guess we'll still have Ragnarok until some time between 2010~2013.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 22, 2008, 01:52 PM
Quote from: Sougen on Mar 22, 2008, 12:22 PMAnd trying to catch the new generation of players that aside from good games want flashier graphics and all with RO2

Then they already failed, RO2 is, modern graphic standards considered, butt-ugly.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Ansuz Isaz on Mar 22, 2008, 02:23 PM
I've got to agree with Anti-Static. oO; Ragnarok Online, in it's design graphically alone, is more appealing than RO2. Sure, it's not 3D hardcore styled, but its clean, crisp, and pretty nicely done. Thus, if RO2 was an attempt at appealing to those who prefer more stunning visuals, they truly have failed at it. xD
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Mar 22, 2008, 02:25 PM
soooooooo agreed wow im agreeing with him a lot XD RO2 is sooooooooooo dam ugly when compared to RO i mean if RO was as ugly as RO2 i'd have stoped playing a long time ago
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Sougen on Mar 22, 2008, 02:26 PM
Not really, they're fine when compared to most MMORPGs out there that adopted the chibi anime style (ROSE, Flyff, DOMO... I would say Mabinogi too but due to it's cell shaded style it can be really compared). Of course, when compared to games such as Perfect World, it is reduced to ashes, but in it's niche RO2 is one with the better graphics.

And MMORPGs hardly have cutting-edge graphics or it would neglect a large consumer base (you know, not everyone can afford a high-end 8th/9th generation Geforce GPU). Even then, running with maximum graphics and filters RO2 probably have the same quality of a Lineage II or even a little better, since Lineage II used Unreal Engine 2.0 while RO2 uses UE 2.5. That's it, technically-wise.

Anyway, when looking at his competitors (3d chibi-style MMORPGs) , RO2 is the best looking graphical.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 22, 2008, 04:38 PM
Quote from: Sougen on Mar 22, 2008, 02:26 PM
Not really, they're fine when compared to most MMORPGs out there that adopted the chibi anime style

Yeah well they're all ugly :P

Western MMORPGs don't neglect graphics, just look at some upcoming or new titles such as Warcraft Online or Age of Conan. Crispy textures and ridiculous amount of bloom and blur as far as the eye can see, that's a sign of cutting edge graphics allright.
I agree this is the case with so-called Korean MMORPGs though, they always did ride on that whole cuteness thing instead(which is quite horrid to be honest). Personally I think that manga style simply doesn't work well in 3D, and because all modern games must be 3D or no one will buy them, well, everyone looks like midget retards with hydrocephalus.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Mar 23, 2008, 01:06 AM
hmmm i dunno how u guys will take this but its kinda interesting in a depressing way

Amazing All The Things Google Has (http://www.google.com/trends?q=Ragnarok+Online)
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 23, 2008, 03:17 AM
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4395/vizgm7.png)

:D
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Mar 23, 2008, 05:06 AM
Y,Y that just depresses me more Dx
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: mark_sanbeda on Mar 23, 2008, 05:34 AM
Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 23, 2008, 03:17 AM
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4395/vizgm7.png)

:D

if that were true then there wouldn't be anyone posting here about raganrok...
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 23, 2008, 05:43 AM
Well that's a relative scale, not absolute values. Also note that Google Trends simply measures a number of Google searches for these terms("Ragnarok Online", "Ragnarok Online 2" and "World of Warcraft") so it's far from perfect.

If we had IP addresses of RO servers(Chaos, Loki, etc.) we could do a more accurate estimate with Alexa. I think.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: mark_sanbeda on Mar 23, 2008, 06:45 AM
idk why but it seems are RO2 isn't attracting that much gamers....
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 23, 2008, 07:34 AM
Yeah, but it's not released yet.

Also, more doom prophecies, all korean MMORPGs I could think about:

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4660/97063017xh8.png)

(Seriously, MapleStory? What the f***)
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: mark_sanbeda on Mar 23, 2008, 07:38 AM
maplestory? never played it.. and come to think of it RO2 seems to look a lot like ROSE online.. maybe that's why they're not that popular well who knows? maybe it'll get attention when its released...
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: phranxis on Mar 23, 2008, 07:43 AM
MAPLE STORY :o
lol those are stupid malay games.
i meant the game not the malays
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: mark_sanbeda on Mar 23, 2008, 07:46 AM
Quote from: phranxis on Mar 23, 2008, 07:43 AM
lol those are stupid malay games.

so it wasn't any good id say  /heh
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Sougen on Mar 23, 2008, 03:23 PM
The fact that those search doesn't find data from South Korea neither in latin alphabet or Hangul serious puts that data in question, it most likely only reproduce the search results from western countries... so we can't sure know the situation in the home market (unless anyone here lives in South Korea and can report the real situation which I believe anyone here would be glad to hear ^___^).

Hell, it couldn't even find WoW data in south korea @_@... and MapleStory is like Nintendo Wii, it appeals to non-gamers, data from 2006 (http://gamestudy.org/eblog/2006/04/21/some-facts-on-maple-story/) points that it has more than 56 million players worldwide @_@.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Mar 23, 2008, 03:24 PM
Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 23, 2008, 07:34 AM
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4660/97063017xh8.png)

so wat exactly happened at point B?
where everyone jumped from RO to other games?
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 23, 2008, 04:45 PM
Quote from: Sougen on Mar 23, 2008, 03:23 PM
The fact that those search doesn't find data from South Korea neither in latin alphabet or Hangul serious puts that data in question, it most likely only reproduce the search results from western countries...

Ah, an excellent point. This also goes for japanese and russian, though these should be niche markets.

Anyone knows how is RO in korean?
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Sougen on Mar 23, 2008, 04:49 PM
Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 23, 2008, 04:45 PM
Anyone knows how is RO in korean?

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Source: Korean Wikipedia article on Ragnarok Online (http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EB%9D%BC%EA%B7%B8%EB%82%98%EB%A1%9C%ED%81%AC_%EC%98%A8%EB%9D%BC%EC%9D%B8)
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: yC on Mar 24, 2008, 07:00 PM
maple story has a budget in advertising, that's why.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: AlviN on Mar 25, 2008, 10:30 PM
Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 23, 2008, 07:34 AM
Yeah, but it's not released yet.

Also, more doom prophecies, all korean MMORPGs I could think about:

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4660/97063017xh8.png)

(Seriously, MapleStory? What the f***)

wow, dude u got a budget to make an independent mmorpg research/survey...  ;D :D
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: mark_sanbeda on Mar 26, 2008, 05:06 AM
Quote from: AlviN on Mar 25, 2008, 10:30 PM
Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 23, 2008, 07:34 AM
Yeah, but it's not released yet.

Also, more doom prophecies, all korean MMORPGs I could think about:

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4660/97063017xh8.png)

(Seriously, MapleStory? What the f***)

wow, dude u got a budget to make an independent mmorpg research/survey...  ;D :D

he said he got it from google  :-[
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: lrellok on Mar 26, 2008, 08:50 AM
the answer is quite simple.  i have said this before and it is still true.  Maple has the better quest system.  RO have better skills, classes, game play, and a better economy, but they skimped on the quests.  Maple has several times the quests RO does, they are easier to find, and range in both complexity and the player skills necessary to complete them.  RO you have to do a Wiki search just to find out there are quests, and they are all dozens of steps in length.  Further, later patches broke some of the quests, without changing them ( the assassins guild quest in particular).  It was a mistake and it cost them. 

However, the private servers can make up for Kro's opps.  Everyone, script quests now!!!
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 26, 2008, 09:27 AM
Who cares about quests?
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Ansuz Isaz on Mar 26, 2008, 11:12 AM
xD -Raises hand.- I think I'm one of the few people that can say that I have at least tried every one of our quests. He's got a good point. Most of them are either far too complex without giving a worth-while reward, are tedious and boring, or are just plain pointless. x_O; Hell, half of the useless quests don't even widen your understanding of the game's back story, which was one of the reasons I went around and did them.

Maple Story's game play was too poor in my opinion to make me play it, but I do agree that some of the quests were actually impressive. Quests keep things from getting boring. xD They give you something to focus on besides that next level number.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Mar 26, 2008, 06:49 PM
lol i'm totally in love with quests....

on paradies RO i've done every possible quest so far <3 <3 doing all for them got me to about lvl 78 ish
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: phranxis on Mar 26, 2008, 11:44 PM
ever heard the game called "Ghost online"?
its like maple but its different.
Spoiler
ratemymaple.net
[close]

i watched trickster on youtube
trickster is just like "tales of pirates"
but more like RO in chibi mode and much much better colors
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Mar 27, 2008, 12:12 AM
Quote from: phranxis on Mar 26, 2008, 11:44 PM
i watched trickster on youtube
trickster is just like "tales of pirates"
but more like RO in chibi mode and much much better colors

agreed =P
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: phranxis on Mar 27, 2008, 12:17 AM
aint rose online closed? "pROSE"

and

jjj dont tell me this is you
Spoiler
http://www.freetoplay.org/item/961
[close]
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Mar 27, 2008, 12:21 AM
lol no thats not me
i hate being called JJ... it means something... something icky... xD
JJJ is my name not JJ

so no thats not me /ok
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: phranxis on Mar 27, 2008, 01:47 PM
what das JJJ mean?
Spoiler
john jackass j /heh
[close]
Quote
if ro will die, theres still FFTA
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 27, 2008, 04:21 PM
Jagged Jimmy J.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Guest on Mar 27, 2008, 07:29 PM
its
Justin J___ J_____

now can we get back on topic? >.<
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Moo on Mar 27, 2008, 11:45 PM
As long there are developers and loyal players who keeps loving and supporting, it will not die.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: MrrgleCaek on Mar 27, 2008, 11:54 PM
Quote from: Moo on Mar 27, 2008, 11:45 PM
As long there are developers and loyal players who keeps loving and supporting, it will not die.
What about good wages on the developers part? o_o
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Moo on Mar 28, 2008, 12:00 AM
They do it for free cause they love the game.
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 28, 2008, 10:34 AM
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Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: MrrgleCaek on Mar 28, 2008, 04:36 PM
Quote from: Moo on Mar 28, 2008, 12:00 AM
They do it for free cause they love the game.
Well love won't feed their children :(
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 28, 2008, 05:27 PM
But they told me love is most powerful thing in the world?!
Title: Re: Whens RO Gona Die?
Post by: MrrgleCaek on Mar 28, 2008, 05:36 PM
Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 28, 2008, 05:27 PM
But they told me love is most powerful thing in the world?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2BjJbKQkgc