What cards give coma bonus?

Paladin Of Pein · Nov 12, 2008, 05:31 PM

We all know how annoying coma is, and i now gots a gullitine on my merch, so how do i increase the coma rate?

Guest · Nov 12, 2008, 07:11 PM

you can always try increasing your attack speed so you hit them more.... that'd increase the chance in a way i guess XD

Sarin · Nov 13, 2008, 03:48 AM

only card that gives Coma I know of is LoD.

fluidin · Nov 13, 2008, 05:13 AM

3 eqs which inflict coma will be Guillotine, Edge and Ledger of Death.

By RMS script, Gui has the highest chance to inflict coma. IRO wiki also states that LUK has a part to play in increasing coma chance and making people who want to coma you have a lower chance to do so.

Quote* You can dodge coma if you have high flee
* Having higher Luk will decrease the chance of Coma when attacked.
* Inversely, having higher Luk will increase the chances for Coma infliction when attacking.

To have highest coma rate, obviously is to have 190 ASPD and the rest to LUK.

phranxis · Nov 13, 2008, 10:15 AM

question:

does having two edge in an sinx make the coma more effective
in the sense that i have a two edge not including attack speed

Descent · Nov 13, 2008, 10:22 AM

Quote from: phranxis on Nov 13, 2008, 10:15 AM
question:

does having two edge in an sinx make the coma more effective
in the sense that i have a two edge not including attack speed

I don't think so, I'm not sure if the chances would stack correctly.

phranxis · Nov 13, 2008, 10:49 AM

Quote from: Descent on Nov 13, 2008, 10:22 AM
Quote from: phranxis on Nov 13, 2008, 10:15 AM
question:

does having two edge in an sinx make the coma more effective
in the sense that i have a two edge not including attack speed

I don't think so, I'm not sure if the chances would stack correctly.

yeah
chances are, im not getting the chances right...

Descent · Nov 13, 2008, 12:17 PM

Quote from: phranxis on Nov 13, 2008, 10:49 AM
Quote from: Descent on Nov 13, 2008, 10:22 AM
Quote from: phranxis on Nov 13, 2008, 10:15 AM
question:

does having two edge in an sinx make the coma more effective
in the sense that i have a two edge not including attack speed

I don't think so, I'm not sure if the chances would stack correctly.

yeah
chances are, im not getting the chances right...

Well, technically, without any modification to a server, if a character is Dual-Wielding, whatever is on the off-hand should also affect the Main Hand to a degree.

I don't know if this is attributed to weapons like Edge, though. You could stack multiple LODs, so it might be possible.

Paladin Of Pein · Nov 13, 2008, 05:26 PM

what happened to MY SUBJECT! lol

Descent · Nov 13, 2008, 05:35 PM

Quote from: Paladin Of Pein on Nov 13, 2008, 05:26 PM
what happened to MY SUBJECT!

Oh come now. You've read RMS boards, haven't you?

Guest · Nov 13, 2008, 06:43 PM

Quote from: Paladin Of Pein on Nov 13, 2008, 05:26 PM
what happened to MY SUBJECT!

hey their at least somewhat talking about it o.o

Arasmus · Nov 14, 2008, 01:47 AM

LoD is the only Card I know till now,
And I think the two Edges DO stack...not sure though I remember trying it

fluidin · Nov 14, 2008, 02:13 AM

Quote from: fluidin on Nov 13, 2008, 05:13 AM
3 eqs which inflict coma will be Guillotine, Edge and Ledger of Death.

By RMS script, Gui has the highest chance to inflict coma. IRO wiki also states that LUK has a part to play in increasing coma chance and making people who want to coma you have a lower chance to do so.

Quote* You can dodge coma if you have high flee
* Having higher Luk will decrease the chance of Coma when attacked.
* Inversely, having higher Luk will increase the chances for Coma infliction when attacking.

To have highest coma rate, obviously is to have 190 ASPD and the rest to LUK.

Is this not enough, PoP? Leave them to their discussion. And yes, only LoD card has a coma chance. You can of course also have AGI/ASPD/LUK increasing cards/items to achieve a better rate.

opexi731 · Nov 21, 2008, 02:22 PM

im not exactly sure.. but having 2 edges dont really stack. it has something to do with the left and right hand =/

and to answer the guy who posted this topic... i believe Luk plays somewhat of a role to inflict Coma.
i would try to test it by increasing luk, agi, dex if you want it to occur more often.

LoD also gives a coma's status.. but the chances are so low that even if you had like 4 cards in a weapon wont be much help.
lol

Sarin · Nov 21, 2008, 03:09 PM

yep, luk increases chaces of status inflicting. So, what you should max is aspd and luk for coma build. But also a bit of str, cause you will need to damage enemy at least a bit to finish him after coma is inflicted.

CookieEater · Nov 21, 2008, 05:38 PM

Quote from: Sarin on Nov 21, 2008, 03:09 PM
yep, luk increases chaces of status inflicting. So, what you should max is aspd and luk for coma build. But also a bit of str, cause you will need to damage enemy at least a bit to finish him after coma is inflicted.

...Coma reduces health to 1. You always do at least 1 damage if not faced with elemental nullification. Rather you'll want Dex to ensure hits, because Luk doesn't raise Crit enough on it's own and you'll be stacking Luk and Agi. Also, Dex affects Atk and ASPD slightly.

Sarin · Nov 21, 2008, 05:50 PM

actually, def+reductions+vitdef CAN reduce damage to 0. In fact, if you have like 120 atk, it is quite likely you will not hit any above average character...
Dex does raise aspd but only a little compared to agi...in case here, I would go for some dex, but would count on skills that either increase hit or can't miss to make the killing blow.

CookieEater · Nov 21, 2008, 06:35 PM

Quote from: Sarin on Nov 21, 2008, 05:50 PM
actually, def+reductions+vitdef CAN reduce damage to 0.

From what I gathered a level 1 Novice without a weapon and with 1 Str and 1 Dex hits for 1 damage on Lord Knight Seyren who has a Def of 72 + 81, which I'll consider high. I only get 0 damage on higher levels Ghost property monsters. I'm sorry, but this kinda disproves your statement.

At any rate he has a level 99 Trans char with a weapon. So he'll likely have enough Atk for 1 damage should you be right anyway.

Sarin · Nov 21, 2008, 07:27 PM

hm, what calculator you used? You should try it ingame on someone...
It should be possible to get damage down to 0, since vitdef works by substracting fixed amount of damage, and it si added as one of last elements in damage calculation. Let's take a look at it...def+thara, counting with def around 40 that is about average at low-rate server, will reduce damage by 58%. I suppose there will be no +% cards since it is status weapon...now vitdef is about 70 average (again speaking of lowrates), so it gives us nescessary atk to hit such character 167-168 (depends if damage gets rounded up or down).

CookieEater · Nov 21, 2008, 07:33 PM

I use Doddler's. So far I've always found it reliable. And I was always pretty sure that nothing can reduce damage below 1. I've always dealt and received at least 1 damage no matter what, not counting Masteries as we're trying to lower damage, so I am very sure that there is a minimum damage of 1.

The best example I have is a Monk with maxed out Vit using Steel Body. Always at least 1 damage.

fluidin · Nov 21, 2008, 08:04 PM

Sarin, I think CE's right. Never seen anyone dealing less than one damage unless by elemental nullification, no matter how high the DEF the opponent has, or how low an ATK the latter has.

Probably, VITDEF does have a limit at reducing damage.

wen.- · Nov 21, 2008, 08:16 PM

Quote from: CookieEater on Nov 21, 2008, 07:33 PM
I use Doddler's. So far I've always found it reliable. And I was always pretty sure that nothing can reduce damage below 1. I've always dealt and received at least 1 damage no matter what, not counting Masteries as we're trying to lower damage, so I am very sure that there is a minimum damage of 1.

The best example I have is a Monk with maxed out Vit using Steel Body. Always at least 1 damage.

i agree with your statement.. you'll inflict at least 1 damage.. i've tried it!