What are the people opening new servers thinking?

[Lucanesti]

This is something I feel the need to try and discuss here. I've been playing private servers ever since f***RO that was secretly hosted by Nuke, the Co-Administrator of a popular RO Fan site (in which I moderated the forums on) for iRO that at the time was an "Offical Fansite". This was five years ago. When this server started, there was at least 100 people who were waiting to play. I played EternityRO until it wiped, and since then I've been in server lingo. I tried to play some other older established servers like EuphRO but I found it to be filled with years of botted items. I tried heRO, but honestly everyone is so stuck up their including the GMs that every word you speak is a chance of getting jailed or banned by zealous tools reporting every time a swear word gets through, also being so behind in their "Nobility" system where you cant even participate in the events that make leveling impossible when they do them. Not to mention players like Bloody and Ex who pretty much own 80% of the servers economy.

Now, I know RO is dieing, I'm not stupid. Yet what I think IS stupid is the number of new servers I see posted EVERY day! These servers are linked to forums that have no members, have the exact same thing as 10 other servers that were just launched in the past month and died and eventually die like their predecessors. I think this does nothing but hurt people who are looking for a server. Today, any tool can click a tool and launch himself a server. This is doing nothing but hurting the private server community, too many options that seperate us.

I want two things out of this post, two questions I need answered to not go insane and jump off a cliff.

1. What are people thinking when they launch the next 7/7/5 LR with no community following, no advertisements and over powered donation items? These are doomed to fail.

2. What can be done?

[Scars]

RO won't dies as long as I can help it.

Cheers.

[Pandora]

Sure we need less crappy server, but we also need less players like you. Don't come trash talking my server when you're the one at fault.

Just a sample of your lovely words on @MAIN:
"Serious Ex, I cant believe your that much of a f***ing baby"
"Get a f***ing life"
"Im sorry b****!"
"I want banned too"
"Cause I dont give a f*** now" (You sure seem to fuss a lot)
"EX is a crybaby b**** :-D"
"Yeah, cause im leaving this server"
"So I'll talk some s*** befor eI go"
"Well, now that I sampled the best guilds"
"And notice every single one has crybaby b**** in them, I am
leaving"
(someone asking him to stop)
"Once im banned"
"Until then, spam. and Trash-talk"
etc.

And then you come cry here, you only got a 1 week ban for your trolling, consider yourself lucky. If you had just learned to behave none of this would have happened, it's just too bad you didn't properly read the rules before joining our server.

And you're totally confused about what Nobility is, you don't know what you're talking about, the event you probably mean is toh and it's not hard to enter, 350k zeny and a small quest, has absolutely nothing to do with nobility.

Seriously, if heRO's not for you that's fine, it's not for everyone, just move to a server that fits you, but don't insult us because we make people follow the rules.

[Lucanesti]

I did not want to bring up what happened with me on the server, and I would consider it going offtopic. I know what I said, and I dont care about you or your server anymore. I was told to participate in ToH you need 50 Nobility Points, thats not something you come across every day. Oh, I could participate in ToH when its opened about 2-3 AM and its not even announced or planned? No thanks I have a life.

Look, I donated to your server. I ended up hating it, got pissed and left. I don't want to discuss this here, thats not the point of my post and I hope you'll show the maturity in NOT spamming my thread with old drama that happened in an old server. Thanks.

[Lucanesti]

I only brought up heRO because I wanted to show the same example as I did in Euph that time does its damage to someone who is worried about the economy. Trying to start fresh on a 3 year old server has its downfalls and thats what I meant to point out. Events targeted towards the best, and especially when they lag everyone who cant participate it IS something that puts off new players.

The topic of discussion was meant to be about opening new servers. If noone can show the maturity to discuss this then someone lock this please.

[PoisonWolf]

I did not want to bring up what happened with me on the server, and I would consider it going offtopic. I know what I said, and I dont care about you or your server anymore. I was told to participate in ToH you need 50 Nobility Points, thats not something you come across every day. Oh, I could participate in ToH when its opened about 2-3 AM and its not even announced or planned? No thanks I have a life.

Look, I donated to your server. I ended up hating it, got pissed and left. I don't want to discuss this here, thats not the point of my post and I hope you'll show the maturity in NOT spamming my thread with old drama that happened in an old server. Thanks.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh.......

I tried heRO, but honestly everyone is so stuck up their including the GMs that every word you speak is a chance of getting jailed or banned by zealous tools reporting every time a swear word gets through, also being so behind in their "Nobility" system where you cant even participate in the events that make leveling impossible when they do them. Not to mention players like Bloody and Ex who pretty much own 80% of the servers economy.

.......k.

Descent,

Seriously, act your age (If JJJ thinks this is an insult...*Facepalms*). Stop trying to derail the topic with your anti-BAW-BAW posts .

Now, towards the TC(Topic creator). I can totally understand your concerns and perhaps opinion. I've been around for a very long time, and I've seen how the private server community has grown to a point where now, every Tom, D<i>ck, and Harry can start up a private server in less than 15 minutes. What is more concerning is due to the fact that these Toms, D<i>cks and Harrys all think that their server is unique (while noting that all they did were change the conf settings). I'm quite afraid that eventually, we'll have more servers than we do players.

In regards to your questions.
1) I'm going to guess that people think they can earn a quick buck or two by having a server with donation items. (I generally disagree with this since it is not your game to even profit from to begin with, but this is a whole other backyard so we'll just leave it at that). That's probably the general mentality. Donation Items + Players = Money. It's always about the money. However, when it is not, the server could be for friends, or some people just want to dabble in seeing what hosting a server is all about. Last but not least, there is the last class of people. As dumb as this will sound, but it is desire to become a GM. Perhaps these people suffer from some form of a god complex or something, I do not know.

2) What can be done? It is real easy. Rev up the notch by 10 times on eA boards and make it harder to even start a server and remove all guides from there. It's extreme, and not likely to happen in eA's lifetime, but it's probably the quickest way to wipe out 80% of the newbie servers out there that is taking up nothing but valuable internet space and wasting bandwidth all over the world.

Yet, there are servers out there that are worth playing, and it really depends what you are looking for. I can almost certainly guarantee you, that worthwhile servers are generally under the radar and not easily found unless if you know someone who knows someone who is playing there.

Cheers.

[Lucanesti]

Yes, the ability to have a server running in under an hour and get it posted on RMS is pretty much a quagmire of waste you must bear with while you search for a server.

One thing I was thinking about, in terms of trying to deal with the amount of Mamma's basement donation seeking servers is to look at other situation in which theirs simply too many because of the ease, and what is done to have it dealt with. I myself like the idea of what Newgrounds has, a server with a low rating is taken off the site.

One thing I noticed with the way RMS is set up now, it is difficult to find a good server based on what information you're given. Example, retRO has 20+   positive reviews yet the server did not finish month one without dieing.

Maybe think of new ways to rate the servers? What about being able to see how many people is online, and sorting by that? Would it lag servers? Can the information be passed like that?

[Pandora]

But you did bring it up in your first topic Lucanesti, you can't slander my server and ask me not to say anything afterwards.

Toh is 50 allegiance points, not nobility. It doesn't take long to get, you can do it with simple dolls or by visiting some of the explorer npc in dungeon. Toh is ALWAYS announced at least a week beforehand, on forum, in game via broadcast and in a npc in pront.

If all you wanted to say is "Trying to start fresh on a 3 year old server has its downfalls" you could have said just that.

I agree about too many unprepared server popping up and dying, I blame easy guides.

[Scars]

Topic going well so far if you stop arguing.

@Luca

I only brought up heRO because I wanted to show the same example as I did in Euph that time does its damage to someone who is worried about the economy. Trying to start fresh on a 3 year old server has its downfalls and thats what I meant to point out. Events targeted towards the best, and especially when they lag everyone who cant participate it IS something that puts off new players.

The topic of discussion was meant to be about opening new servers. If noone can show the maturity to discuss this then someone lock this please.

Fair, though Pandora has the right to defend her server too.
Though, that's done lets leave it at that.

On topic:
We have related discussion here.

http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/suggestionsrequests/allow-servers-to-bump-their-server-advertisement-topic/0/

[Descent]

Descent,

Seriously, act your age (If JJJ thinks this is an insult...*Facepalms*). Stop trying to derail the topic with your anti-BAW-BAW posts .

If I were you, I would start practicing what you preach. Nobody asked for your "profound" insight, so kindly, piss off. This wasn't an attempt to de-rail the thread, I was pointing out the glaring contradiction in his post. Nobody likes a hypocrite.

Pandora has every right to say her piece in regards to what he said about heRO. That is all.

Yet, there are servers out there that are worth playing, and it really depends what you are looking for. I can almost certainly guarantee you, that worthwhile servers are generally under the radar and not easily found unless if you know someone who knows someone who is playing there.

And this is true. I would have to disagree about having eA remove guides and whatnot, though. Some of the best Admins started from the bottom and worked their way to the top, and I'm quite sure that the best servers out there got their starts with somebody starting small with their server. No better place to start than eA.

The "newbie" servers are really just wasting their own money, in the end. Not really hurting anybody else, and for every one good RO private server, there's about thirty or forty bad ones.

[Lucanesti]

One thing I think should end is RMS supporting servers that are just out to make money. Promoting servers that SELL copyrighted material I think brings a little bad karma. Why support money hungry thieves? 

I would like to believe we took the server hosting process out of Gravitys hand because in atleast the case of Americans, blatant racisim. They tried to milk the episodes as long as they could, charged to play during betas and gave us crap service for years..

Saddly, we're not doing any better by trying to sell wings with +20 to every stat for 20 dollars. :-/

[Descent]

One thing I think should end is RMS supporting servers that are just out to make money. Promoting servers that SELL copyrighted material I think brings a little bad karma. Why support money hungry thieves? 

I would like to believe we took the server hosting process out of Gravitys hand because in atleast the case of Americans, blatant racisim. They tried to milk the episodes as long as they could, charged to play during betas and gave us crap service for years..

Saddly, we're not doing any better by trying to sell wings with +20 to every stat for 20 dollars. :-/

Well, that's a great concept on paper. However, RMS isn't there to police every RO server on the planet...it'd be more work for the Admins and Moderators(who either own or play RO themselves) to find out...that's what the Server Hall of Shame is there for.

[Lucanesti]

RMS is commonly referred to as the "Walmart" of RO servers. I believe this is true, its give more depth than just in/out voting sites.

Why not be able to rate the Karma of a server like we can with players without writing out a full review?

To people share the beliefs I do? Voting for rewards, donating for overpowered gears or access to "Donate Only" castles or whatever as just..bad? Why do people play on servers that support these things?

[Scars]

Taking out all donate server, u talking about taking out 99% of the server out there.

[Lucanesti]

There is nothing wrong with receiving donations. But when you are selling stat gears for large amounts of money and are clearly just trying to get money..then I think something should be done.