It was suggested to me today that I should do something about Novice Potions (the crappy red pots that heal for nothing) and their potential to be abused.
Personally I think that's sort of absurd, we give out the standard 300 in training grounds and yes you could potentially trade them all away to one character and gain 30,000 Novice Potions on one character.
But now, I run a midrate server, and I think this is kind of ludicrous. People get to a pretty high level within the first hours of leveling and the novice potion's healrate is not even noticeable. I was giving the scenario of someone MVPing and keeping them on a 3rd party program, being constantly spammed (which if I saw it would be punishable) and it would keep their HP level which, to me, still sounds stupid. You would be 90% overweight with these things and I don't think it would even heal enough to keep you up vs an MVP.
Can anyone offer me any reason these are abusable, or do you find this equally as silly as I do?
You know how silly that is?
Silly.
-facepalm-
Your playerbase is funny xD
Novice pots are -not- abusable, even if you WPE that s*** it won't do anything on a 99 character.
Your playerbase isn't very smart....
Alright yeah I found this stupid too. Just making sure.
And yeah, my playerbase is good for some laughs.
+1 Karma for laughable playerbase.
No wonder your server is called ROFL...
So I timed it...
priest with 99 vit, 10953 HP
spamming pots with WPE @ 1ms delay
from 1 HP -> 10953 for a total of 10952 HP took 17.43 seconds
628.341~ hp/sec
It'll only grow worse from there once your VIT lowers since pots heal more depending on VIT.
Priest with 1 vit, 5724 HP
Spamming pots with WPE @ 1ms delay
From 1 HP -> 5742, total of 5741 took 24.48 seconds
234.558~ hp/sec
I think, on average most MvP's that are pretty badass to tank will do more then 234-630 damage per second..
they are not OP, even with WPE.
Quote from: Relics on Jun 28, 2010, 08:23 AM
So I timed it...
priest with 99 vit, 10953 HP
spamming pots with WPE @ 1ms delay
from 1 HP -> 10953 for a total of 10952 HP took 17.43 seconds
628.341~ hp/sec
It'll only grow worse from there once your VIT lowers since pots heal more depending on VIT.
Priest with 1 vit, 5724 HP
Spamming pots with WPE @ 1ms delay
From 1 HP -> 5742, total of 5741 took 24.48 seconds
234.558~ hp/sec
I think, on average most MvP's that are pretty badass to tank will do more then 234-630 damage per second..
they are not OP, even with WPE.
Wow, thanks for testing it for me. I thought it was real silly when I heard it. It's actually more effective than I would have thought but the amount of potions involved... Thanks for confirming
They are good for leveling and cheating them is economic to do so. They are free and the weight of the novice potion is 1 vs the red potion weight of 7. Using them to mvp is kind of a bit extreme.
I'd think they can't be used after novice-hood given its name but that is not the case anyway.
novice potion script: itemheal rand(22,33) while weight = 1
white potion script: itemheal rand(325,405) while weight = 15
So carrying 15 novice potion is the same as the weight of carrying 1 white potion.
the item script x 15 for the novice potion = itemheal rand(330,495).
LOL, that makes sense to carry novice potion instead of white potion. It's free and it could heal as much as 1 white potion and of course the weight is the same except you have click 15 times rathar than clicking once. That is when a third party spam program could come to the rescue.
Quote from: yC on Jun 28, 2010, 02:40 PM
They are good for leveling and cheating them is economic to do so. They are free and the weight of the novice potion is 1 vs the red potion weight of 7. Using them to mvp is kind of a bit extreme.
I'd think they can't be used after novice-hood given its name but that is not the case anyway.
novice potion script: itemheal rand(22,33) while weight = 1
white potion script: itemheal rand(325,405) while weight = 15
So carrying 15 novice potion is the same as the weight of carrying 1 white potion.
the item script x 15 for the novice potion = itemheal rand(330,495).
LOL, that makes sense to carry novice potion instead of white potion. It's free and it could heal as much as 1 white potion and of course the weight is the same except you have click 15 times rathar than clicking once. That is when a third party spam program could come to the rescue.
But then there is the case, that VIT increases the potion heal percentage, which will push the effect of white potions even more than that of novice potions
"Set the natural HP recovery rate to 1% and remove all pots! It'll be like one of those browsergames!"No server can escape amazing suggestions. Here're some of my favorites I got lately:
• Buffer NPC that will last for one hour (This one's obligatory)
• Make Luck affect drop Rates
• Remove the Dungeon Warper Costs
• Add a Stat Seller
• Nerf the Geffenia mobs' elements to one single element
I personally prefer bug reports with "This item won't drop! It's not ingame even though @mobinfo says so!", however.
QuoteBut then there is the case, that VIT increases the potion heal percentage, which will push the effect of white potions even more than that of novice potions
And don't forget the +20% on a Swordsman Class with HP recovery skill!
Just give them @item and say 'to hell with it'.
Quote from: GorthexTiger on Jun 29, 2010, 04:00 AM
Just give them @item and say 'to hell with it'.
The RMS Testserver could be the best server ever if it wouldn't be wiped constantly, believe me.
it is, if you'd use BM you can use at most 3 of them at a time (/q1 to make it easier) you can use them in leveling, if you can tank monsters long enough to kill them / regenerate (even when you get mobbed)
ideally flee types
Quote from: renamed on Jun 29, 2010, 06:03 AM
it is, if you'd use BM you can use at most 3 of them at a time (/q1 to make it easier) you can use them in leveling, if you can tank monsters long enough to kill them / regenerate (even when you get mobbed)
ideally flee types
Usable does not always mean
abusable.
Abuse: to use wrongly or improperly.
All things can be abused. The real question is to what extent? Is this one really worth the time, effort and thought have have already been put into it?
You give them free novice potions for them to use. If you do not want them being traded between characters make them character bound. If you dont want them being used after X level, change you set up.
They are made for healing.
They are being used for healing.
How are they being used improperly?
Quote from: Green on Jun 29, 2010, 10:09 AM
They are made for healing.
They are being used for healing.
How are they being used improperly?
If you get owned in PvP by someone using Novice Potion, the one using them is probably a cheater, abuser or hacker (and a noob, of course), since it's just impossible that someone can kill you, you are GOD
Oh, right.
its abusable because its free
Quote from: renamed on Jul 03, 2010, 04:20 AM
its abusable because its free
Right, they should be donatable, then it's okay
Quote from: DarkDevine on Jul 03, 2010, 04:30 AM
Quote from: renamed on Jul 03, 2010, 04:20 AM
its abusable because its free
Right, they should be donatable, then it's okay
you know what i mean >.> geez
Unless someone's using a speed hack, it's almost improbable that someone could win in a PvP duel using novice potions.
If it's an item meant for healing, and it's being used for healing, I don't see what the problem is unless you know, for sure, they're using some kind of program.
Quote from: renamed on Jul 03, 2010, 04:20 AM
its abusable because its free
Actually, in the time it takes to make the novies, go through training grounds get all the pots, and store them all, or trade them all across, you could probably have hunted HWs, sold the loots, and bought white pots from the NPC. Or hunted for Aloe Leaflets at Mosco.
Anything under the levels being able to hunt these players would be legitimately using novice pots, being low level.
Remember, 15 novice pots = 1 white pot.
350 divided by 15 is 23.3333 white pots. Less than 23 HW kills with OC. Even less with DC for the pots.
So, if anything, novice pots are more expensive in terms of time.
you can bot
or you can use a macro recorder
you can go through 9 novices with 1 command
or if you somehow program it to make new and different names.... you can do more than 9 with 1 command
That's the only way they are abusable, which is what I had said.
Other than that, it's a healing item used for healing. You can't abuse it unless you macro it. I feel like I'm repeating myself
Quote from: renamed on Jul 03, 2010, 09:30 PM
you can bot
or you can use a macro recorder
you can go through 9 novices with 1 command
or if you somehow program it to make new and different names.... you can do more than 9 with 1 command
Then you're abusing 3rd party programs, not novice pots.
Derrp.
+1 Lemon.
As always.
you can abuse 3rd party programs by walking to cell a to cell b and back too ^^
its 3rd party + novice pots
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@aurora i didnt read the whole topic, my bad
like green said
It isn't abusable when you do it with 3rd party programs.
If you do it with that and by that logic everything is abusable /facepalm.
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QuoteBut then there is the case, that VIT increases the potion heal percentage, which will push the effect of white potions even more than that of novice potions
And don't forget the +20% on a Swordsman Class with HP recovery skill!
So novice potion react differently to skill and vit compare to white? I didn't know that.
Quote from: yC on Jul 04, 2010, 05:06 PM
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QuoteBut then there is the case, that VIT increases the potion heal percentage, which will push the effect of white potions even more than that of novice potions
And don't forget the +20% on a Swordsman Class with HP recovery skill!
So novice potion react differently to skill and vit compare to white? I didn't know that.
Yeah, because some skills and vit change the effect in percents, which is higher in total with white potions than with other ones.
Yes vit and skill adds percent on healing items but it won't add much like being abusable >.>
Quote from: Fantaxy on Jul 05, 2010, 05:17 AM
Yes vit and skill adds percent on healing items but it won't add much like being abusable >.>
That's what I'm saying, there's just more sense in using better potions because of the bonus in percents
Yeah novice potions are not abusable.
Thats.......
REDICULOUS
Quote from: Fantaxy on Jul 05, 2010, 06:13 AM
Yeah red potions are not abusable.
Thats.......
REDICULOUS
ba dum tsh
Red potions can be abusable in high numbers imo.., novices nah
Same thing for me but if you say so :P