Sniper needs help with thor build and equips (build & equips inside)

Started by Leamee, Jan 09, 2011, 06:25 PM

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Leamee

Ok, so I decided to give Sniper another go and finally got to killing some kasas solo without pots/dying though I still died a lot but that's because there was nobody on the map so big mobs everywhere. When I get mobbed I still have problems but switching to 99 agi 99 dex and some int/vit did help. My older build sucked I guess.
I went trigger-happy on the F1 DS key and I think I killed my index finger  :P but 500 arrows later I got a better idea of what I should do to suck less in Thor so it was somewhat useful.
Problem: my DS averages 2.7K without true sight on a kasa, and even if I'm getting pretty good at DS-ing and then running, I usually get mobbed before I get the chance to DS 30 frickin times. = 10 good seconds at least because I have to take breaks to run and running all over the map = getting mobbed.

I read up on the thor topic and watched some youtube videos to get better and that helped a bit but I still have some questions.
Basically, I came up with a pretty quirky bow/ box/ arrow combo I think, but I don't know to which extent this is feasible.
I played a lot with a damage calc simulator to get this result but I don't know how I'm going to get the necessary arrows for this crazy build.
Assuming that I get 10 bless 10 agi:
+10 composite bow with vadon, peco peco egg and 2 AKs but I wouldn't be using crystal arrows.
I'd be eating/ opening (whatever) endow water *boxes* (stem worm card, no prof needed) and using either oridecon arrows or holy arrows as they deal 50 dmg a pop, not 30 like the crystal arrows. The boxes last 3 min and are pretty darn hard to get but with ~100-400 drop rates I think I can manage.
DS damage *on kasa* with this build and Bless10/Agi 10 (not hard to get with a buffer):
Minimum Damage   6702(3351X2hit)
Average Damage   7164(3582X2hit)
Maximum Damage   7638(3819X2hit)
= ~11 to 12 DS needed  ;D
Without Bless+agi
Minimum Damage   6018(3009X2hit)
Average Damage   6486(3243X2hit)
Maximum Damage   6954(3477X2hit)

Other equips that help dealing the damage and do some damage reduction:
Knocker card (can be equipped on a ribbon for all I care, doesn't change the attack much +5% formless)
Atroce hat would be nice though, but not worth it for a lousy knocker card IMO.
X2 Gloves with zerom X2, regular gloves work too I guess.
Edit: Orlean's Gloves [1] would be utter perfection and might help hit an even crazier DS damage number but that's part of a godly equip set so yeah...
Muffler (suggestions anyone?) with pasana
tights (again, suggestions anyone?) with jakk
Shoes of some sort (I ran out of ideas for that one, maybe sohee?)

Ok, that's it. I'm pretty sure that anyone would love me in a thor party if I found good gear for muffler, shoes and armor (cards pasana jakk and ?), as the bow config I found is really deadly on a kasa (btw fire arrows or silver arrows would work really well too with the box if I can't get my hand on oridecon or holy, those arrows would be a luxury).
Without true sight I'd still average 5.4K/DS which is good enough.

So yes, please suggest good mufflers, shoes and armor. Otherwise I'd settle for tights or mink coat if too broke for odin's blessing when it comes to armor, shoes and muffler I have no idea.


kolela

Focus on agi equips, ulle's cap + vanberk (crit if you are lazy sniper and just auto attack)/nightmare + pantie and a pasana + undershirt + sprint shoes/black leather boots + male thief bug/thanatos odium if you have +9 Black Leather Boots 8D + bapho jr./dragon tail + kukre + linen's glove/brooch/horn of the buffalo. If you eat water endow the whole time, I would suggest to get orc archer's bow + steel arrow. Don't know if damage is better... try with your calc.

If some renewal items exist >_> elven bow + elven arrow, dragon vest + manteau and phylla card on headgear.
And btw, why you try so hard solo-ing thor?

datme

Quote from: kolela on Jan 10, 2011, 02:31 AM
Focus on agi equips, ulle's cap + vanberk (crit if you are lazy sniper and just auto attack)/nightmare + pantie and a pasana + undershirt + sprint shoes/black leather boots + male thief bug/thanatos odium if you have +9 Black Leather Boots 8D + bapho jr./dragon tail + kukre + linen's glove/brooch/horn of the buffalo. If you eat water endow the whole time, I would suggest to get orc archer's bow + steel arrow. Don't know if damage is better... try with your calc.

If some renewal items exist >_> elven bow + elven arrow, dragon vest + manteau and phylla card on headgear.
And btw, why you try so hard solo-ing thor?
lolno

get sniping suit/tights, and just go wool scarf+tidal shoes[just get a matyr card or so)

Leamee

Quoteget sniping suit/tights, and just go wool scarf+tidal shoes[just get a matyr card or so)
You know what, this is good, sound, old-school advice. I like it! Thanks =) That would pump up my MDEF (good stuff) and +10% hp x2 is always nice. Gotta get out the calc to see if I hit 8K hp or so.
Edit: Apparently -with 10 vit- I'd hit 8.2K hp which is perfect because I guess that with one white pot I could tank 2 stronger 3.5K~4K attacks plus his nicer 600-700 hits.
Matyr/Verit/Sohee are staples of the games, so I'll either get matyr or sohee. Wool and Tidal are easily droppable with flee build as a sniper + HP, so works for me.
QuoteIf you eat water endow the whole time, I would suggest to get orc archer's bow + steel arrow. Don't know if damage is better... try with your calc.
It is a good suggestion and most people (including me but that was before I tried the calc) think that it's the best option for thor, but it's not (by far). I was really surprised at the +10 composite bow capacities. Level 1 weapons are wildly underestimated and even a lousy bow [4] with the cards would do better than +10 orc archer's bow.
Basically +10 Compo > +10 Bow (!) > +10 Crossbow (AK Vadon Peco) > +10 (gl) Orc archer's bow
With Ulle's cap slotted and tights (always bless agi)
Minimum Damage   6732(3366X2hit)
Average Damage   7200(3600X2hit)
Maximum Damage   7668(3834X2hit)
= 11-12 hits

Oh, and water endow-ing with boxes = grasping at straws, sorry guys. I just noticed that using regular crystal arrows + gear I mentioned=
Minimum Damage   6732(3366X2hit)
Average Damage   7080(3540X2hit)
Maximum Damage   7422(3711X2hit)
11-12 hits

Theoretical maximum damage dealing on kasa with buffs(if you sacrifice a fire-protecting card for rocker and put binocs and ulle's on)
Minimum Damage   6846(3423X2hit)
Average Damage   7308(3654X2hit)
Maximum Damage   7776(3888X2hit)
=still minimum of 11-12 hits

QuoteAnd btw, why you try so hard solo-ing thor?
Everyone needs a challenge, and I learned a lot bashing the F1 key yesterday =) I want to improve my gameplay before I go back to a "real" server and thor seemed like the perfect place, kind of like a compromise between hunting 1M hp MVPs and trapping porings. Plus solo-ing there would help me a lot with my future priest as I need staff of piercing. If I also have a WS to upgrade said staff= win. When you party you get less equips and tbh in thor I'd only be open to an HP/Snip party, otherwise you're just leeching people if you're there for the Kasas' drops only.
And yes, the exp is good, but Dicastes 1 = Scaraba => 3/4 of a Kasa pretty much and they react very well to DS-ing (4.4K+/ DS) when trapped even when you have no gear (=hunter bow). However, the drops are truly abysmal, which makes leveling there a waste of time gear-wise.

Quoteelven bow + elven arrow
Snipers can't equip them - I know, what a shame :/ That, plus I'm convinced that the +10 compo bow would win hands down.