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Title: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Idealistic on May 19, 2008, 06:05 PM
I play on JustRO and the other day I saw Snipers FA'ing like crazy with like no delay.  I'm pretty sure it wasn't bragi because there was no clown around.  And I don't think Just Sniping Suit and 2 Expert Rings will give you almost no after-cast delay.

2 Kiel Cards maybe?
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Guest on May 19, 2008, 08:18 PM
lots and lots and lots of dex like 150+ XD
cause 150 dex = insta cast
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Sarin on May 19, 2008, 09:17 PM
ehmm, delay and cast time are different...unless that server has modified game mechanics...
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Guest on May 19, 2008, 11:52 PM
lol it helps =o
sides im assuming there on a server where the rates are raised (2 kiel cards kinda makes me think its HR)
so who knows maby they have like 3k dex XD
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Pandora on May 20, 2008, 08:31 AM
Isn't delay decreased by agi?

Dex makes you cast faster, I have 150+ and I play on low rate, my FA is instant, but I still have a delay of over a second before I can land another FA.
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on May 20, 2008, 08:40 AM
Quote from: Pandora on May 20, 2008, 08:31 AM
Isn't delay decreased by agi?

No.
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: CookieEater on May 20, 2008, 03:46 PM
Sniping suit + Expert Ringx2 + Kiel D-01 Cardx2 = 93% after-cast delay reduction, if I'm not mistaken. There's so little left of those 3 seconds that you don't notice it.
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Guest on May 20, 2008, 06:47 PM
Quote from: CookieEater on May 20, 2008, 03:46 PM
Sniping suit + Expert Ringx2 + Kiel D-01 Cardx2 = 93% after-cast delay reduction, if I'm not mistaken. There's so little left of those 3 seconds that you don't notice it.
lmao that makes sense....


but anyway is she/he on a HR? cause if not those items would be a total pain to get x3
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Majora_younglink on May 20, 2008, 06:53 PM
Quote from: CookieEater on May 20, 2008, 03:46 PM
Sniping suit + Expert Ringx2 + Kiel D-01 Cardx2 = 93% after-cast delay reduction, if I'm not mistaken. There's so little left of those 3 seconds that you don't notice it.

Don't they stack non linearly? Like one Kiel lowers cast delay by 30% then the next one lowers it my another 30%? Like this:

100%*.7= 70%*.7= 49%?

It wouldn't quite be as low as 93% reduction. o_o
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Dew on May 20, 2008, 08:26 PM
That's Mou style Kookie, lol


Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Majora_younglink on May 20, 2008, 08:43 PM
Quote from: Dew on May 20, 2008, 08:26 PM
That's Mou style Kookie, lol




Well the normal RO way is h4x to after cast delay and other such things then. >.>
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Dew on May 20, 2008, 09:44 PM
Heh don't look at it as H4x, it's more an atempt of Gravity to make something "acceptable" from the overplayed rubble we call RO.


Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on May 21, 2008, 10:30 AM
If it stacs linearily, what happens if you get it over 100%?
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Idealistic on May 21, 2008, 12:42 PM
Quote from: JJJ on May 20, 2008, 06:47 PMlmao that makes sense....


but anyway is she/he on a HR? cause if not those items would be a total pain to get x3

Well the server is 100x, card drops are 50x and boss/mvps are 10x.

Supposedly the server just had a wipe a couple months ago to lower mvp card drops from 50x to 10x..... And so either that Sniper got really lucky or bought the 2 kiel cards, or there's corruption in the server.  Such as donating an extra few bux for a kiel card.  Or some overpowered gear.

The server DOES have donation gear, but it's just headgear and it's listed on the website.  Nothing overpowering.

And yeah, if the delay reduction gears don't stack linearly, then somethings wrong.

I don't think their's enough gear to go past 100% delay reduction though.  Unless custom gear?
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Majora_younglink on May 21, 2008, 04:12 PM
Quote from: Idealistic on May 21, 2008, 12:42 PM
Quote from: JJJ on May 20, 2008, 06:47 PMlmao that makes sense....


but anyway is she/he on a HR? cause if not those items would be a total pain to get x3

Well the server is 100x, card drops are 50x and boss/mvps are 10x.

Supposedly the server just had a wipe a couple months ago to lower mvp card drops from 50x to 10x..... And so either that Sniper got really lucky or bought the 2 kiel cards, or there's corruption in the server.  Such as donating an extra few bux for a kiel card.  Or some overpowered gear.

The server DOES have donation gear, but it's just headgear and it's listed on the website.  Nothing overpowering.

And yeah, if the delay reduction gears don't stack linearly, then somethings wrong.

I don't think their's enough gear to go past 100% delay reduction though.  Unless custom gear?

Or if the server has extra slots on headgears.
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Guest on May 21, 2008, 06:37 PM
mmmm could be custom gears... ask em what gears they have if u can XD

it'll be a lot easier for them to tell u how they do it rather then trying to figure it out my guessing >.<
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: mickiedeez on May 22, 2008, 02:12 PM
wtf calling our server corrupt?  headgears have the standardslots for all of them.  custom headgears and donates dont have slots.  it isn't hard to get 2 kiels in 2 months.  AND there wasnt a wipe, it was a server name change because there were some (already removed) GM's who were corrupted, and the server had much improved so they name changed(justro, i.e. meaing not corrupt -_-).  and people are selling allsorts of cards all the time.  as far as i know theres only 3 snipers with the full 2 kiel+sniper suit and expert rings.

plus snipers can get 99+ 80agi  easy with there buffs+awak pots...  and no customs...  and the custom gears never add more than 2 different stas or over +5 to the stat.  and no slots.


~Mickie
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: DjTeddySpin on May 22, 2008, 02:29 PM
WPE is worth a thought. Seen too many of those around. Btw, it's a kind of packet sniffing program.
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Hanyuu on May 27, 2008, 09:46 PM
It depends on who the person was. I heard rumors in GoldenRO (when just was golden) of a GM Sakura from KeKuMi or w/e guild having a few god items on her legit sniper. But she was fired and banned. Maybe she was able to give a few more before she was banned to her guildmates...who knows? If anything just report it to Discreet and Aki, they should take care of it.

PS: It was a two week rollback, never a wipe. A week following that rollback, rates were doubled, including cards. I heard people from LOOK got a tao card, Potato and Lenne have three maya purple cards and someone did get a kiel.
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Bootleg on Aug 15, 2008, 09:23 PM
Actually it is totally posible, but NOT AT ALL NORMAL
Donation items are likely required
Slotted upper/middle/lower headgear

3 Kiel-D cards.

OR you can just get Bragi and have something similar to it

Some servers also have custom things...
like agi affecting cast delay :x
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: CookieEater on Aug 18, 2008, 05:43 AM
Quote from: Majora_younglink on May 20, 2008, 06:53 PM
Don't they stack non linearly? Like one Kiel lowers cast delay by 30% then the next one lowers it my another 30%? Like this:

100%*.7= 70%*.7= 49%?

It wouldn't quite be as low as 93% reduction. o_o
Sorry for the late response, since I barely show up here anymore, but to my knowledge nothing in RO works that way.
Racial reduction stacks linearly, elemental reduction as well, cast time reduction does so too and even damage reflection. If you were to mix racial reduction with elemental reduction, however, they would stack non-linearly with each other, just as they do with Armor rating.

Oh, and getting over 100% is an option with slotted lower headgear (custom only,of course) but a big waste of time. You cannot reduce anything into the negative, except damage but that's elemental absorption...
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: fluidin on Aug 18, 2008, 11:17 AM
Quote from: CookieEater on Aug 18, 2008, 05:43 AM
Quote from: Majora_younglink on May 20, 2008, 06:53 PM
Don't they stack non linearly? Like one Kiel lowers cast delay by 30% then the next one lowers it my another 30%? Like this:

100%*.7= 70%*.7= 49%?

It wouldn't quite be as low as 93% reduction. o_o
Sorry for the late response, since I barely show up here anymore, but to my knowledge nothing in RO works that way.
Racial reduction stacks linearly, elemental reduction as well, cast time reduction does so too and even damage reflection. If you were to mix racial reduction with elemental reduction, however, they would stack non-linearly with each other, just as they do with Armor rating.

Oh, and getting over 100% is an option with slotted lower headgear (custom only,of course) but a big waste of time. You cannot reduce anything into the negative, except damage but that's elemental absorption...

Not nothing dude. Damage reduction works that way. If it didn't, Thara + DR + CK+ FB = 100% Neutral demihuman damage reduction, which obviously isn't the case. Other than that, damage modifier cards also stack cumulatively.
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: CookieEater on Aug 31, 2008, 03:40 PM
Quote from: fluidin on Aug 18, 2008, 11:17 AM
Not nothing dude. Damage reduction works that way. If it didn't, Thara + DR + CK+ FB = 100% Neutral demihuman damage reduction, which obviously isn't the case. Other than that, damage modifier cards also stack cumulatively.
I see 50% Demi-Human reduction and one thing my vocabulary cannot translate (DR). Since you are talking about 'Neutral Demi-Human reduction', I'm gonna take a guess and say that you are referring to a Deviling card?
If yes, I point back to my previous post and note that I adressed the issue that dissimilar types of reduction (and bonus, of course) stack non-linearly.
Title: Re: Falcon Assault with NO delay?!?
Post by: Omg Onoes on Aug 31, 2008, 04:06 PM
edit: nvm.