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[Renewal] Thanatos Boss Card Vs defense bypass %

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makoy:
As far as high end build goes, I'll need that Thanatos Boss card for critical builds for piercing of defense of monsters.
Since renewal has too many items that can pierce defense, although it is just some percentages,
Assuming you can reach 100% or more, is it the same thing as Thanatos boss card?

Edit:
Planning on doing DDGx cuz I saw a custom item that can reach 20% defense pierce and other stuff that can add up to over 110%

Ara:
Thanatos card isn't only defense pierce, though. It's DEF pierce + it takes half of the DEF and adds it to your ATK, or something like that as well.

Zereges:

--- Quote from: Ara on Mar 23, 2020, 07:15 pm ---Thanatos card isn't only defense pierce, though. It's DEF pierce + it takes half of the DEF and adds it to your ATK, or something like that as well.

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True, defense piercing is Samurai Scepter card. Thanatos card works in the same way as Ice Pick.

Also, I don't think you can go past 100% defense bypass. Most items that ignore portion of enemy's defense are weapons (mostly battleground/KVM weapons). If I didn't miss anything, the only other item providing such effect is Bone Plate (armor). There are also various effects (e.g. Naght blades), that makes you ignore target's defense for some time, but they don't add up 100%, but just set the defense of the target to zero (so if the target has negative defense, this effect is decreasing your damage).

makoy:

--- Quote from: Zereges on Mar 24, 2020, 04:38 am ---True, defense piercing is Samurai Scepter card. Thanatos card works in the same way as Ice Pick.

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I always thought that they are the same thing. Thanks for the clarification


--- Quote from: Zereges on Mar 24, 2020, 04:38 am ---Also, I don't think you can go past 100% defense bypass. Most items that ignore portion of enemy's defense are weapons (mostly battleground/KVM weapons). If I didn't miss anything, the only other item providing such effect is Bone Plate (armor). There are also various effects (e.g. Naght blades), that makes you ignore target's defense for some time, but they don't add up 100%, but just set the defense of the target to zero (so if the target has negative defense, this effect is decreasing your damage).

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There are some custom items here that adds up to over 100% which is why i asked before the effort of getting it. but then again if piercing is different than Thanatos boss card then that still means that its better to have it.

Zereges:

--- Quote from: makoy on Mar 25, 2020, 08:33 am ---There are some custom items here that adds up to over 100% which is why i asked before the effort of getting it. but then again if piercing is different than Thanatos boss card then that still means that its better to have it.

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Well, the defense ignoring and ice-pick effect (defense piercing) are actually two unrelated effects.
Defense ignoring simply ignores the portion of target's defense (both DEF and VITDEF). I have no idea (never tested, because it's not reachable) how 100%+ defense ignoring works (if it makes your target's defense negative, but I would assume so).
On the other hand, defense piercing adds (DEF + VITDEF - 100)% bonus damage. So if your target's defense and vitdef add up to 100, defense piercing has no effect.

Also, I never tested what happens when you mix these two :)

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