Is this allowed? Creation of multiple accounts to sabotage server ratings.

[Epic]

I cant seem to find a policy page. Can someone point me in the right direction? I got 3 comments with the same complaints and ratings, likely to be from the same person who had a disliking for one of my GMs.

http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=serverstat&serid=1530&url_sname=
(Kochou, Cebalrai, Elmdor)

Is anything likely to be done?

[yC]

When they sign up for an user account there is an agreement stating the Terms of Services of having an account with us.

According the our record 2 of them 3 are likely to be the same person and thus we handled the situation.

The third person seems to be on its own.

[Ophiuchus]

I can vouch for Elmdor and Kochou.  They aren't the same person.  Ever think that just maybe two people could be using the same IP from the same home?  Possibly through a router?  Way to actually check into the matter first.

[Caprion]

It's also entirely possible that one person can access multiple IP addresses.  It seems fair to allow only one vote per IP.

[yC]

same ip .. rated the same set of servers with similar scores on the same date ... i'll rather believe that is the same person ... to be on the safe side.

[Elmdor]

So, by a single word from an Admin, you'll just up and ban multiple accounts? GM Epic and the other GMs from Zenro know that Kochou and I are separate people. We were both ingame, on the same IP, and active at the same time. So what is it you need from me to prove that both accounts weren't mine? Social security numbers, pictures, blood? Sorry, I come off harshly, but honestly, this is ridiculous.

[Ophiuchus]

It's also entirely possible that one person can access multiple IP addresses.  It seems fair to allow only one vote per IP.

I think the general rule is one vote per person, and last I checked, IP != one person exclusively.

[Caprion]

That's correct, but there's no way to verify that other than to use IPs.  Most people won't have access to more than one IP to cheat the system, and those will balance out the few people who actually share IPs with others.

[Ophiuchus]

I see what you're saying, and yeah, it's true.  But in cases where it's disputed whether or not more than one person are sharing the same IP, it could be investigated a bit more.

[Elmdor]

For the record, I didn't even know any of the GMs. So I couldn't have a problem with them. My review was based on what I saw and experienced while I played there. An honest review. The people who talk and sit with the GMs are the ones who dominate the pvp/woe scene and have the donation headgear. I haven't seen any of the non-favorites with donation/event headgear.

[Ophiuchus]

I second what Elmdor says.  And the favorites love to harass you all day long just because your guild is in uniform.

[finnith]

I think yC's right. It is impossible to verify if you two are different people, so IP address's are the only way.

[Epic]

I'm the Admin of ZenRO, but I'm also your average player. I do befriend a lot of the veteran players, that's not a crime is it? They do vote everyday and they're helpful toward the other players. But contrary to your assumption, no, I've never given out a single item for free, unless it was for donations, event reward, or some type of compensation. No other person on the server can give out items either, not even the GMs. They're all restricted from trading, vending, and dropping. You have no idea how many comments(refering to the 3 new comments you just posted) like "... getting everything easily became boring very quickly and ruined the fun of the game..." come up on a daily basis. It's a high rate and that's the way some players prefer it, if you dont like it, then move on to another server that better fits your needs. The server does not adjust to you, you have adjust to the server. No way am I going to make unnecessary changes to please the minority of the server.

Ok, let me once again clarify this. Technically, there are no donation items. People donate to obtain items that are available ingame AND are obtainable by any hardworking player. It's necessary to upkeep the server, unless you want to pay for the hosting. Oh, and I wouldnt consider these players "favorites". Seriously, if you talked to me and hang out with me, I'd treat you the same way. Like I said, a lot of these players are veterans, it's no surprise that they have what they have. You guys(whole guild), from what I've read, are from low rates right? You should know that high rate and low rate are completely different when it comes to pvp/woe. It's a whole new terrain. There's no reason for you to assume that just because someone's good, they must have a GM behind them. It's childish. And the whole "harassment" thing; I really cant do anything about. They're probably just messing around, like they always do. All in good fun, just dont take it to heart.

Oh, and yC, can you check the 3 comments that just came in? It's the same stuff.
http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=serverstat&serid=1530&url_sname=ZenRO&page_num=1

[Ophiuchus]

Interesting then, how my High Wizard was unable to damage this one particular guild during WoE with ANY skill.  And I know it's not GTB because correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it only SIXTY PERCENT resistance?  Even with high magic defense, they should still incur SOME damage.  And it's really curious how when hit with Storm Gust, they don't flinch at all.  Last I checked, you could only avoid the flinching if GTB was total immunity.  It's the same with Lord of Vermilion.  If there's something else that could totally nullify my spells, please, let me know so that I'm not carrying this suspicion around any longer than I already have.

[Epic]

You do flinch, but only at half the normal rate. There's nothing else that gives complete immunity to magic. Dont forget that endure keeps the player from flinching. Anodyne/Aloevera lasts 3 min each on ZenRO, so it's no surprise. The only way to really tell is to test your damage in pvp.

[Kochou]

I'm not trying to make things worse, but I have to say this. Calling someone else "childish"? You getting Elmdor and I banned for a simple mistake is childish, especially because your reasoning was that you didn't want so many negative reports on your precious server. You say that all people have different likes and dislikes about servers, so why wouldn't you follow what you said and accept that maybe some people didn't like yours? The reviews may have been similar, but that's because we all thought it was the same degree of lame.

In all honesty I did not know that the rule was only one vote per IP. I thought it was 1 vote per person, and seeing as I am definitely a different person than he, I don't see why it should be a big deal. If that's how it is, then that's fine. I won't rate a server that he does and vice versa, just to keep you people happy. I understand that you can't take the risk of us actually being one person, but it isn't exactly fair. I have my own opinions, and like and dislike different things about servers, and so I think it would fair for me to voice these thoughts. Again, if that's how it has to be, then I won't bother.

Which, by the way, you aren't innocent yourself. About your donation items, where is the credit displayed for the creators of the headgears and such? I spoke to a person that made a few of those, and she specifically said she does not want her headgears to be used as donation items. She is against other people "selling" her items. Yes, you can get them in game too, but she doesn't want them in the donation section at all.

[Ophiuchus]

There's nothing else that gives complete immunity to magic.

Then you might want to make sure something isn't wonky in your configurations, because they didn't take anything.

[Pandora]

Kochou is right, you've got some of Usako's items in your donation gears and she specifically says in her copyright information that she doesnt want this. I'm not 100% sure but I think same thing goes for Puppetsin's sprites and Katze's too. If you don't respect people, why would they respect your server?

[Epic]

@Pandora
I'm not trying to get anybody banned, not once have I mentioned the word "ban". The fact of the matter is that there's three identical comments, on the same date, with about the same ratings, two of which are from the same IP. Not to mention the 3 news ones you (guys) posted even after yC deleted the original comments.

@Ophiuchus
I'm sure everything works fine, I've played with just about every class on the server, including high wizard, professors, and the like. I dont recall anyone not taking magic damage.

@Pandora
This is my fault, I've removed them from the donations section.

[Ophiuchus]

Are you REALLY that paranoid about it?  That you think we're just out to destroy your server with ratings that really don't even matter?  We may be debating this thread heavily, but that's only to fight the indignation we've been dealt.  You just don't seem to understand that  just MAYBE, someone who isn't us three doesn't like your server.  Trust me, it's not that outlandish.

Also, I don't claim to be an expert on RO, but I heard from a highly reliable source that Endure does not stop flinching due to magic.  I would also like to point out that while I was using my spells on ONE person, four of my guildmates were slinging Soul Breakers, Asuras and other things at this ONE person, who in turn killed us off one-by-one.  Everything we "hit" him with either missed or did no damage.

[Epic]

I love the way you put that. I dont mind a few lame ratings, but really. If you dont like it, why bother going out THIS far? You had two options, to either move on to another server and enjoy what they have to offer, or stay on ZenRO and hate your environment, and then claim that you alone are the victim. Everyone has that option, nobody is making you stay and face this horrible "indignation."

The "misses" can result from maya's 50% reflect. There are cards that autocasts pneuma and safety wall. If you can, please be more specific, or better yet, let me know the name of this player. If you come in pvp with some basic low rate equipment, you're just asking to die. Quality will always beat quantity. You're focusing all your energy on how badly you lost, instead of how you can improve your level of gameplay, by asking and learning from your opponent. If you're too proud to do so, then that's your decision. Just spare me your false accusations.

[yC]

Epic, I forgot to post that I would just allow them to be 2 different person but requested them to rate a server once per IP to avoid confusion in logs.  Those new reviews are one from elmd0r because his was previously deleted.  The others didn't look anything suspicious.  Maybe this topic caught their attention I wouldn't know.

Should I close this topic already? it's getting off topic.

IMO a few bad rating does not harm the overall server reputation as there are many good ones and i agree not everyone likes your server.  So it shall be expected, plus bad rating is better than no rating in terms of ranking.

[Epic]

Alright then. I wont drag this on any further.