Wall of text incoming, but if you're here looking to invest your time playing on this server, or a bystander who wants to munch on popcorns while reading, then read on.
TL;DR provided below. /ok
I started playing TalonRO way back in 2013 until 2017, it was my main server until I got burnt out, and the next years, I only pop in to play the seasonal events, check out the big updates and so. The outbreak has me with plenty of time on my hands for the previous months, and I was hoping to get back to it. Personally, I don't have any bad experience with the previous and current staff (word travels), but what has transpired recently has left me with disappointment and a bad taste in my mouth. I will be writing them below. I like this server, enjoyed my time, and have a strong attachment to it. However, the bad aftertaste is intolerable, and in GM Boreas' words,
"If you don't like it, then leave."Let's talk about the server and what they offer.
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TalonRO leans heavy on customization, with god items (limited access to it currently) and MvP cards being made available for everyone. You can be as strong as the server allows you to, there are a lot of builds that you can or make with the availability of all cards to be purchased in the in-game Talon Cash shop, with budget and mechanics just being your limit; the server has their own calculator which makes this helpful, I have spent hours creating builds on it, and it works fine for it's purpose. As of writing this, there has been promised changes on the god items (SQI) for years, I've already heard about it in 2014. However, I think that's what they currently have on their plate, and I'm leaving the server without seeing the changes, I don't think I have the right to give any more details.
Content wise, TalonRO has plenty of custom PvM content to offer, most are automated, while a few new ones are spearheaded and manually ran by GM Lance (and a few others?). I have nothing but praise for how GM Lance /lv has handled running these instances. I haven't been to all, but I've been around for Nightmare Rifts and some of the Battle of the Nine content. One of these instances has spanned for up to 36 people, but usually, it's for two parties worth - 24 people. These contents are what kept me playing and coming back for a long time: the need to get better gears, play better and build a good relationship with the people that I played with.
PvP used to be more active years ago, but it has been seeing some action lately. WoE offers three modes to play in, Non-Trans Vanilla, Trans Vanilla, and Unrestricted. I haven't played WoE in this server, but I wanted to play Vanilla. The barrier that has been limiting me to was the supplies issue. I prefer to spend the limited time I have on PvM gears, as the server's focus is on that. There has been a lot of discussion with regards to Vanilla supplies in the WoE channel in their discord, feel free to read through, it's always been an issue for years. Battlegrounds is Vanilla mode, and it's in an okay position, you can't expect a game to be on 24/7, but it's there. Vanilla in this server is a tad different though, plenty of headgears and cards that would be hard to obtain in vanilla servers, are still available to purchase with Talon Coins.
Market is stable, prices have been at similar points during all the years I played, except for some factors like season limited ones, item not being available in TC shop, and unavailability of Seals (to make SQIs) currently. The new currency and market, Valkyrie Coin and Valkyrie Bazaar(?), made available from clearing custom contents are in development. The price of gears in there is unreasonable. It will take almost 1 year of doing Ancient Tower to able to afford a Diablos Robe, though that's another issue that I won't discuss. Presently, the server's total population hovers around 1600+-, but before the world has come to the state it is now, I've seen it drop to low 850s for a while, as to how much of those are autotraders, dual clients or whatever, I do not know.
This is the
nice flower field that TalonRO offers, and I feel like I have played long enough to give an overview to how the server gameplay is. Like stated, I like the server and what they offer, but the more I spend time in here, the longer I regret my time, as I dug deeper in the flower field, the more rotten it gets. Let's dig.
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It started when I felt like the admins made a certain person a GM (not anymore, thankfully). I won't be dropping any names, but the said person already has a questionable reputation among the community. Having played with him once, he's made me feel uneasy with how he talks to people. I thought it was just me being nitpicky or difference in culture, I've heard other people having problems with him as well. The rumors that he's been creeping out on girls were around, too. I, a guy, already feel uncomfortable around him, I can't imagine how it must be for the girls he plays with. Maybe these things don't have anything to do with him being a GM, maybe people who found him shady aren't vocal enough, it just never sat well with me.
To unlock Valhalla, the place to make SQIs (god items) and to unlock their bonuses, players need to complete the Seals Quest. With the launch of Project Iduna, seals have been completely disabled (almost a year now). Meaning, people who had seals quest pending or not done, will not be able to - maybe that will change soon. Sure, these players can still purchase these SQIs (for a higher price) and play with it, but the power gap between people who has bonuses unlocked and those who don't is significant. I am not affected by this since I've had them unlocked for my characters, however, I've seen newer players who get discouraged to play because of it. Generally speaking, I find how they handled Project Iduna unsatisfactory, even with the beta tests. The beta testers were only a small cluster of people (sign ups were open for a limited time), though when other people offered to help with testing at a latter date, they were rejected. Though all in all, it looks like the update has been working out well for what they wanted to achieve with it.
Having played for a while, I've had my fair share of hearing stories about people having to deal with sending support ticket about their concerns. Most would avoid doing that if possible, because of
how dismissive they can be. I have been with different group of people from the times I have been playing, and
majority seems to dislike interaction with the administrators. It feels comparatively different from another RO that I am playing, where the administrator/s are approachable and communicative.
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These are the recent cases that have left me dumbfounded in a negative way, I can't stomach how they handled the recent bans that happened. I am just an outsider from what is happening, but for a while, there's this sinking feeling of paranoia where you can get banned/penalized for anything, and the chance of appealing is slim. One case I've heard about would be someone getting banned over screenshot of a chat in discord as an evidence for using macros. Said person was able to successfully appeal for it and is now unbanned. Guilty until proven innocent, perhaps.
As for another different case (though being banned almost at the same time, and for same reasons), there were rumors going on, and to confirm myself, I reached out to the accused person to talk about it. Working in the legal department, I needed to scratch that itch of getting to bottom of things. Let's call the accused 'X'. X has been banned for using macros/autoclickers. I don't know X in game, nor have I played with her. I reserved my judgment and approached her with a clear mind. And X shared with me the dialogues between the support tickets:
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First ticket: X asks for more information for her ban, as the ban states using macro/autoclickers.
GM's response: Report from someone showing crystal clear evidence of using macros and autoclickers for a long time.
Ticket gets closed.
Second ticket: X asking for evidence, saying that she could have been framed/mistaken for someone else. (Personal thought: Not the first time someone gets banned for mistaken identity has happened tbh)
GM's response: We will not reveal the identity of the reporter. We can assure you that you were not framed or mistaken for someone else. We never ban people based on assumptions.
Ticket gets closed.
Third ticket: Does not care about the person's identity, but wants to get an idea of how the evidence is, gameplay proof or a text-based one.
GM's response: This case has been closed. We don't ban based on assumptions, but solid evidence. We have been around for 12 years, and trust me when we ban someone it's justified.
Here are my personal thoughts on this case.
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If the proof has been around for a long time in-game, why would the reporter's identity matter? Shouldn't the reporter have been an accomplice too if they have known for a long time? If it's also a gameplay video, it should be easy for the accused or whoever has other documents to edit themselves out as to not leak their identity. Even then, won't it be difficult to prove usage of macros/autoclickers since the server has a hardcapped skill delay? The grounds for not listening to appeals and closing the case immediately would be when X has been caught on the act, but she was not - or when they have an extensive log to prove 'a long time.'
And again, to reiterate, 'we don't ban based on assumptions,' (but we WILL ban you over a discord screenshot of you using macros, and sorry, our evidence was folly, therefore you are unbanned.) I would love to know their basis on closing this case, because the more I look at it, the more dodgy it gets. They even refuse to have a dialogue with the accused, and I've seen her appeals, if the evidences truly aren't ingame videos or being caught redhanded, then I don't see why they don't even communicate properly to refute her appeals. Guilty until proven innocent, and that is if they give you a chance to prove your innocence.
She's left out her personal feelings on this and merely discussed with me the exchange. In her defense, her bios haven't brewed anything and she has gameplay videos to show her playing, and we were both out of ideas what else would you be doing in game to have a need for macroing for.
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Person C has one of his game accounts banned for repeated and multiple deadbranch reports, the admins have it on their logs. In reality, the person that was using the deadbranch (person F) was someone who has a similar name to Person C. Person C then contacts an admin in their discord to ask about the ban. Admin provides proof of their server logs, but something doesn't add up. Person C stated that people have gotten him mixed up with person F, simply because they share a similar name. Person C then paid Person F to change his name so that this can be cleared, and person F agrees. But the nasty deadbranching that Person F did was put into Person C, simply because the admins can't be bothered to check the game account/forum account log of Person F before banning; or that they could have checked Person C's logs for attempts.
They have been around for 12 years, so they must be doing something right in one way or another. I am not saying they are wrong, that is up to your judgment. I am merely stating facts and details about what has transpired, as I've been hearing rumors about it. X isn't vocal about what happened, so players were free to come up with their own speculations. She finds everything that happened silly, and any actions taken by other people on this case (much like this is), she has nothing to do with it. This is just an example of how you can expect to be treated in the server. The sinking feeling might or might not have been paranoia, having to deal with this kind of player support when you play long enough adds to it - and such, why I don't want to dig in any deeper into this stinking hole and drop the server completely.
TL;DR: Server gud on the surface, but play long enough that you'll need to deal with dismissive admins, no gud. Get banned, roll a dice if you can appeal or case closed. They take discord screenshots as evidence, I can teach you how to edit discord conversations in the app itself without photoshop, ask me how.
Uhm, no offense, but bans are not based on name sbut ids. The dead branch logs also work with ids, which are unique and cannot be mixed up. I personally have no clue which case this is about, but nobody gets banned because of a name mixup.
Not going to comment on the other "cases" because you aren't involved, didn't see the evidence and everything you said is based on assumptions.
Quote from: Boreas on Jul 11, 2020, 03:34 PM
I am merely stating facts and details about what has transpired
You actually only re-posted what you heard from others. Rumors. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thanks for the rest of the review, cheers!
Just to clarify:
Quote from: liuYF on Jul 11, 2020, 12:19 PM
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These are the recent cases that have left me dumbfounded in a negative way, I can't stomach how they handled the recent bans that happened. [...] Two cases I've heard about would be someone getting banned over screenshot of a chat in discord as an evidence for using macros. Said person was able to successfully appeal for it and is now unbanned. Guilty until proven innocent, perhaps.
You're saying
1)There are two cases where someone was allegedly banned over a discord screenshot, AND
.....
i) In both cases the ban was issued for using macros, BUT
2) In both cases, the person was able to successfully appeal and is now unbanned?
And then down here:
Quote from: liuYF on Jul 11, 2020, 12:19 PM
As for the other case, there were rumors going on, and to confirm myself, I reached out to the accused person to talk about it. Working in the legal department, I needed to scratch that itch of getting to bottom of things. Let's call the accused 'X'.
X has been banned for using macros/autoclickers. [...]
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First ticket: X asks for more information for her ban, as the ban states using macro/autoclickers.
GM's response: Report from someone showing crystal clear evidence of using macros and autoclickers for a long time.
Ticket gets closed.
Second ticket: X asking for evidence, saying that she could have been framed/mistaken for someone else. (Personal thought: Not the first time someone gets banned for mistaken identity has happened tbh)
GM's response: We will not reveal the identity of the reporter. We can assure you that you were not framed or mistaken for someone else. We never ban people based on assumptions.
Ticket gets closed.
Third ticket: Does not care about the person's identity, but wants to get an idea of how the evidence is, gameplay proof or a text-based one.
GM's response: This case has been closed. We don't ban based on assumptions, but solid evidence. We have been around for 12 years, and trust me when we ban someone it's justified.
You're saying that in this instance (perhaps a third instance?) a person was banned for using macros, but the evidence used
was not disclosed, thus violating a simple and obvious rule of fairness/natural justice, specifically the rule that involves knowing the case against one so that one can respond to it?
You said you work in a legal department, but you can't understand why the name of people who make reports would be kept anonymous? Duh, retribution. That's obvious.
If you had serious concerns about the behaviour of one of the staff, then you should have reported it.
I haven't seen anyone being paranoid or thinking they'll be banned for something small except the people who do something ban-worthy.
Quote from: Sachimi on Jul 11, 2020, 08:10 PM
You said you work in a legal department, but you can't understand why the name of people who make reports would be kept anonymous? Duh, retribution. That's obvious.
If you had serious concerns about the behaviour of one of the staff, then you should have reported it.
Mr. Whiteknight,
You must have misunderstood when I mentioned anything about the identity of the reporter, although I have it in bold already.
It does not matter. If GMs have the evidence in-game, they should easily be able to turn it into a GIF and just leave the accused out.
Ah, I should report a staff for making me feel uneasy? I gave him the benefit of the doubt, thinking it's just me nitpicking on people or a difference on culture. You must've missed the twitter drama why a certain someone is no longer a GM.
Quote from: Phanneh on Jul 11, 2020, 05:19 PM
Just to clarify:
You're saying
1)There are two cases where someone was allegedly banned over a discord screenshot, AND
..... i) In both cases the ban was issued for using macros, BUT
2) In both cases, the person was able to successfully appeal and is now unbanned?
And then down here:
You're saying that in this instance (perhaps a third instance?) a person was banned for using macros, but the evidence used was not disclosed, thus violating a simple and obvious rule of fairness/natural justice, specifically the rule that involves knowing the case against one so that one can respond to it?
Two different cases. Both cases were for using macros, one was successfully able to appeal.
Down there is the second case, not a third one. I apologize for the confusion.
Yes, no evidences were provided. I know they rarely provide evidences, since people can make loopholes out of it and/or try to bypass. Even then, since it's macroing/autoclickers, with the hardcapped skill delay, it's very difficult to prove if a person is using it or not. Keybind recordings to gaming keyboards/mouse will act similarly to what key strokes you recorded to it, it will not bypass the server-wide skill delay. Therefore, I'm not sure how hard it is to show the evidence? If X can replicate it whilst recording her keyboard and mouse movements in real-time, and she has already offered to do so in her appeal - but then again, GMs just closed the case without even replying to her appeals.
Quote from: Boreas on Jul 11, 2020, 03:34 PM
Uhm, no offense, but bans are not based on name sbut ids. The dead branch logs also work with ids, which are unique and cannot be mixed up. I personally have no clue which case this is about, but nobody gets banned because of a name mixup.
Not going to comment on the other "cases" because you aren't involved, didn't see the evidence and everything you said is based on assumptions.
You actually only re-posted what you heard from others. Rumors. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thanks for the rest of the review, cheers!
Rofl. I'm not going to start a fire involving other people, but if I can get their approval to use their screenshots, then I'll have receipts for this, even the deadbranch one. It doesn't seem to worth though, maybe if this gets enough traction. Who knows what you will do, as you've already banned a person for having lllllll as their character name.
X has given me free reign on the screenshots related to her case, 'do whatever you want with it.' Though we have no use for it currently as this, being the biggest issue, they've refused to comment on. And what makes you think I haven't seen the evidence, especially the one getting banned over discord screenshot. That one was truly juicy.
You guys don't even want to reply directly to the person involved's case, refusing to re-open the case. Is it that hard to admit when you've made a mistake?
Quote from: Boreas on Jul 11, 2020, 03:34 PM
Uhm, no offense, but bans are not based on name sbut ids. The dead branch logs also work with ids, which are unique and cannot be mixed up. I personally have no clue which case this is about, but nobody gets banned because of a name mixup.
Not going to comment on the other "cases" because you aren't involved, didn't see the evidence and everything you said is based on assumptions.
You actually only re-posted what you heard from others. Rumors. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thanks for the rest of the review, cheers!
You're going to dismiss them as rumours just like that when people have seen those conversations for all three cases that liuYF talked about. It still baffles me how the admins GMs were so uncooperative with X's case. X couldn't even get a word in before they closed the ticket and still refusing to hear X's side. It's not like X was being rude either when talking to the GMs nor is X a rude person in general.
They should, at the very least show the evidence. The person reporting X could be edited out. Who knows, the reasons used to justify X's bans could just be rumours too at this point.
Quote from: liuYF on Jul 12, 2020, 08:26 AM
Two different cases. Both cases were for using macros, one was successfully able to appeal.
Down there is the second case, not a third one. I apologize for the confusion.
I appreciate the clarification!
Quote from: liuYF on Jul 12, 2020, 08:26 AM
Yes, no evidences were provided.
So, in the second case, then, it was NOT a discord screenshot that was the evidence?
Failure to provide evidence is a catastrophic and
below amateur failure in due process, of course.
But the phrasing of the first post makes it seem as though there were two cases OF being banned USING a discord screenshot AS evidence.
If that's so for the second case, then it's known that "a discord screenshot" was the evidence.
If that's so, then... how is it known that a discord screenshot was the evidence, if no evidence was provided?
Was it just an error in phrasing, and in the second case, neither you nor X know what evidence was used to reach the conclusion?
Quote from: Phanneh on Jul 12, 2020, 10:30 AM
So, in the second case, then, it was NOT a discord screenshot that was the evidence?
Failure to provide evidence is a catastrophic and below amateur failure in due process, of course.
But the phrasing of the first post makes it seem as though there were two cases OF being banned USING a discord screenshot AS evidence.
If that's so for the second case, then it's known that "a discord screenshot" was the evidence.
If that's so, then... how is it known that a discord screenshot was the evidence, if no evidence was provided?
Was it just an error in phrasing, and in the second case, neither you nor X know what evidence was used to reach the conclusion?
My apologies. It was definitely an error in phrasing. I'll clarify that. Thanks for pointing that out.
X didn't receive any evidence. After the three ticket exchanges, they just dismissed it as case closed, with their only basis, in Boreas' words: 'a report from someone showing crystal clear evidence that you have been using macros and auto clickers for a long time now.' She also didn't receive any replies from the support ticket she has sent for appeal, despite not being shown the evidence. She's provided reasons for someone to frame her (if it was a discord exchange), and has offered gameplay videos to show her playing (even on spammy jobs like Sniper/High Wizard). But of course, why would you record if you were macroing? Why hasn't she been caught if, allegedly, she's been doing it for a long time, if the GMs have a fair way to prove the usage of macros? And most importantly, why is the case closed just like that? To repeat, guilty until proven innocent, and X wasn't even given a chance to prove her innocence.
Okay, understood; thankye!
If accurately represented, the failure shown by the first case is unfortunate but not fatal; obviously they should verify before a ban, not after.
If accurately represented, the failure shown by the second case is beyond unfortunate indeed, and people should certainly be aware of it.
I made an account just to comment lol. Great write up and good read. Its worth my popcorn
Chiming in to confirm that the cases mentioned are not rumors lol. Ask the right people in the server and you will know. They are all true and its absurd how they are claiming it to be but still 0 comment about X's case
Not a good look tbh /??
Maybe you guys need to take this to twitter or social media to get a response /heh. See how quick they responded in the twitter drama with GM ***** this is good tho and more players should be aware of this
Quote from: Phanneh on Jul 12, 2020, 11:59 AM
If accurately represented, the failure shown by the second case is beyond unfortunate indeed, and people should certainly be aware of it.
I can guarantee that this is accurately represented as I have the screenshots of the support tickets & Discord DMs (attempting to reach out) related to the case.
Quote from: Nubblyn on Jul 12, 2020, 11:03 PM
Why so quiet from GM? are they busy with seals, summer race, more rumors ?
They're refusing to comment on the case since I'm not involved, but not like the person involved got any chance to get a decent dialogue from them either.
Hi, me here to second that post about that player being wrongfully banned.
I have been playing with her for several years and her gameplay was definitely a pro player.
I've also seen screenshots of how the GMs were responding to the case and it disgusted me how they can just decide and dismiss a case with merely a discord screenshot, which can be easily forged.
Yep Mr. Admin is dismissing everything here by stating everything is just a rumor is also very disgusting, as always.
But your ban was based on an easily edited source too.
i know right. many people offer her gears to borrow and come back play. because many people want her back. but how can you come and play again after this treatment? lol. so unfair and not justified. we get that no evidence shown for ban but, no appeal and case close immediately? i am curious how the other people in case feel when boreas say what happened with them are just rumor lol
i know that this happened a month ago, and real story has come out now. we want answers, my popcorns are getting stale already /omg
!!! i just hear that this thread got posted in tro discord but get deleted. why so fishy? kekeke /heh
hou. many asskisser in discord too, thinking their gms cant do anything wrong. come defend them here, not in your tro discord safe space /heh
Can confirm that the High GMs (Boreas and Seiren) are obstinate, narrow-minded and oft-times have no clue what's happening with the game / how things work. Suggestions are closed without a thought, discussions are never to be had. Basically, you can't reason with these two. You talk reason to them, you show them code that makes it happen, or anything else along this line of action expect it to have absolutely no impact. It's almost surprising that they've been able to keep the server running for so long.
I've had more than a handful of friends get banned over nothing. The GM team is corrupt (I submit a report, the next day the reported guy comes and asks me whazzup ***** to my face) but the high GMs obviously do not believe that anything like that could ever happen. Their minds are too single-track, it's either a yes or a no, and once it happens that's that in most cases. (Corrupt only in this fashion, nothing major because thankfully they know how to check logs.) But the way they handle reports is always open-and-shut. They don't deal with it on a per-case basis which is absolutely terrible because some people get away with really bad griefing while others get banned for nothing.
You'll probably never run into any of this if you simply farm away in Geffenia and Sleepers, but hats and AFK in town (which is what 90% of the population does / did). But if you get anywhere near competitive end-game this is bound to happen. So there's a good chance that the majority of the player-base is oblivious to any of this happening but when you get there it happens all around you. As a result people will refute that this could be, because it's not their truth, but it is the truth.
tl;dr Boreas and Seiren can't be reasoned with but they run the show; wouldn't want to play in this server if I had a choice (but dammit it has the best PvM);
Also there's some hope! They've inducted a new High GM who is sensible /ok
^ Completely agree with arivanandan. Very good points, in all honesty. At this point, I don't think it's an exaggeration to state that it has been GM Lance's tremendous effort that keep people playing. I can't imagine what people would be doing now PvM wise without Lance events and contents he comes up with. Lance has been carrying this server so hard for years.
It's no surprise that people are still adamant about this being real, and dismissing the claims (in the server discord), simply because they don't play in that competitive end-game level. However, these are all truths, perhaps not something they will experience as long as they stay in their flower fields, so they brush it off as salty claims.
Quote from: Nubblyn on Jul 13, 2020, 11:49 AM
i know right. many people offer her gears to borrow and come back play. because many people want her back. but how can you come and play again after this treatment? lol. so unfair and not justified. we get that no evidence shown for ban but, no appeal and case close immediately? i am curious how the other people in case feel when boreas say what happened with them are just rumor lol
i know that this happened a month ago, and real story has come out now. we want answers, my popcorns are getting stale already /omg
!!! i just hear that this thread got posted in tro discord but get deleted. why so fishy? kekeke /heh
hou. many asskisser in discord too, thinking their gms cant do anything wrong. come defend them here, not in your tro discord safe space /heh
I have actually offered her my whole account with the gears, in the case that she might want to play again, as I'm completely done with the server, and I'm not surprised that other people would extend their help if she plans to start over. But she insists that she has no reason to do so, unless the incident is properly dealt with. However, I'm not hopeful that a case like hers will be the last, they are being evasive about everything here.
Ah, I was sent a screenshot of it being posted in the Discord and deleted a while after. My review is constructive, truthful and detailed; I talked about the server properly, and how the staff is, like my thread title says, is it not? And to those that defended the server in the Discord, I'd have to agree. Why not come here and give your thoughts as well so we can have a proper discussion?
why still so silent from gm when they are so active to reply in other talonro thread before? /sob
need to change server tagline: impossible is just rumors, nothing more nothing less
true. the players who think this is not true and does not happen are those just farm afk and socialize, very casual. ignorant of what is happening and how admins deal with support ticket like this. it depends on their mood if you get a good reply or no. humm. power tripping or look at your donations first? /hmm
Seirumors is nice name bro /no1
Reports do not and should not be made public. Asking for proof if you aren't involved is a big no - people have been harassed because of a public report, both the person reporting and the person being reported. People always see their reports from their own point of view instead of from an objective one. The GM team must be objective, so they can't consider personal feelings and what you "know" to be true. Screenshots, videos, and logs can all be interpreted in different ways depending on how objective you are.
Boreas was right about logs though. People don't get banned for having a similar name to someone who broke the rules, the ID of the person who broke the rules gets punished. It's not misinterpreted or misspelled or anything that way.
Regardless of whether you like Boreas and Seiren or not, they've been pretty consistently objective in punishments for broken rules that require their access level to investigate. Your personal opinion on what they say and how they say it is irrelevant to any such punishment. From personal experience, despite speaking English very well, there are still potential misunderstandings when speaking with people who don't speak English as their native language, that goes for GMs and for players. What you may see as an insult or rude dismissal may not be how the other person intends it.
Having a bunch of friends come b**** about this on the RMS forum doesn't make your case any more legitimate, especially because you aren't posting any proof of innocence. You can't have it both ways. The GM team acts on proof of wrongdoing, and they only punish when it's clearly happening. Having your friends come and post saying "Oh I KNOW they were innocent!!" does not mean anything.
who said anything about making the report public? lol. they dont even want to speak with person directly involved. how to be objective if the person involved is not given the chance to?
hum. lots of people have seen the screenshot of being banned and unbanned after clearing for having similar name. ask the right people in the server~
and whats your basis for telling them that they have been consistent in punishment? we are not talking about anyone being insulted here so why this come up? lolol
not forcing you to believe but none of us are friends? since the players that play at high lvl are small, we know what is going on lol
if they want proof of innocence they can go talk to the accused, but main problem is gm even refuse to reply in support ticket. why are you asking us for proof of innocence when the accused is not here?? lolol funny but also a bit delusional. if gms want to clarify the case they can reply here or speak with people involved with cases zzz.
only punish when clearly happening hahaha. silly social player
kissass level 99 Ms. Sachi
from my bad english point of view, this thread was to talk about the unfairness of the ban and none of us is like doing this to have the GM unbanned the person.
At the most we are only hoping that GM would just look into the case again and to provide a proper explanation to the person on why she got banned.
Dismissing something merely based on one side of accusation isn't fair.
I bet people do not understand how data are logged, hence all the "u sez i wrong y u no show mi proof" jibber-jabber. I'm pretty sure when there's a hard evidence of wrong doings in the form of server logs, appealing is futile and a waste of everybody's time.
Quote from: Seirumors on Jul 13, 2020, 09:52 PM
At the most we are only hoping that GM would just look into the case again and to provide a proper explanation to the person on why she got banned.
Dismissing something merely based on one side of accusation isn't fair.
A proper explanation for a ban is always provided.
By the way, I want to ask this out of my curiosity - would you accept the same outcome if the GMs "look into the case again and to provide a proper explanation"? Or would you keep posting until the outcome changes into what pleases you?
I didn't make this thread in hopes to appeal. I'm merely writing my review and experience as I quit the server, much like how we can leave reviews for things online. If they have a flaw, then it's nice to let people aware of it, right? That's up to their judgment if readers take it as a truth or dismiss it. I feel like it's fair to let people know what happened truthfully, whether you're coming here to check out the server, already part of the server, or just wanting to read. It is what it is, just a review, believe what you wish. However, if people request for screenshots of the exchanges related to X's case, then I can provide that since she's given me freedom to do what I want with it. Though they're not much, as the contents of the ticket are already stated in the thread, but if it's to let people know that the exchange is real, then sure. If people want to know about the other cases, screenshots have been passed around, if it concerns you enough, start digging around. I won't be dragging other people that still actively play here. I've seen the screenshot of exchanges with the GMs myself for all the cases I mentioned. Getting them to reopen the case was never my objective, but if they can offer clarification on these cases in however way they want, then that's great, that clears up what I personally wanted to know in the end. If they dismiss it just like that, then it's fine, too - let people make their own assumptions. This is merely a review, not an appeal for anything. To repeat, I agree with stated above, the PvM in this server is probably one of the best out there, and I've enjoyed my time in here, and I'm sure they won't miss a person leaving, but the administrations' attitude in general is what I don't approve of. If the slim chance that this review makes them change their ways in handling cases, then that's even better for everyone in the server. But maybe there's no such thing as bad publicity so /shrugs.
Quote from: Sachimi on Jul 13, 2020, 09:08 PM
Having a bunch of friends come b**** about this on the RMS forum doesn't make your case any more legitimate, especially because you aren't posting any proof of innocence. You can't have it both ways. The GM team acts on proof of wrongdoing, and they only punish when it's clearly happening. Having your friends come and post saying "Oh I KNOW they were innocent!!" does not mean anything.
Why are you reaching out to us to post proof of innocence, for as you say, make whatever legitimate, here? These matters should be settled between the people involved and the GMs. And I don't know any of the people replying in this thread, but I'm sure you won't believe me anyway. If this discussion counts as b**** as you put it, then might I recommend a self re-evaluation?
Most of us here aren't doing any personal attacks on anyone, nor the server.
Quote from: Yurneric on Jul 13, 2020, 09:59 PM
I bet people do not understand how data are logged, hence all the "u sez i wrong y u no show mi proof" jibber-jabber. I'm pretty sure when there's a hard evidence of wrong doings in the form of server logs, appealing is futile and a waste of everybody's time.
Since you seem to be more knowledgeable about the matter, please enlighten us how can they check usage of macros/autoclickers in the server logs. As I stated previously, keystrokes that you can record in a keyboard/mouse software act just like regular keyboard and mouse movements, only that they're recorded into a single keybind, including delays. With the server wide, hard capped delay (even more so with Iduna) on skills per second that you can do, how can one prove if a person is using such? If the server logs exist for this, the claims are X has been using it for a long time, why did the action take such a long time as well? How do we know that we're not playing with people who macro, if they let them free for such long period of time?
Pretty much the only explanation that was provided are what's stated in the ticket.
This server is going haywire. The "One on Top" has a Trump complex, thinking that everything is fine and shutting up any feedback. You can't argue with the guy since he will just leave you hanging and tell you to just go to another server. And it's not just me, a lot of people I've talked to share the same sentiment. They, like me, also played in this server for a long time. Some of them even older than me. They just can't talk about their opinions openly because of the backlash of the fanatics and the threat of being banned from their beloved server. I just hope that the "One on Top" accepts the errors in this server. The problem is that he does not want to acknowledge the problems faced by this server. I just hope that he changes or he gets replaced by Lance.
i don't know new accounts backing up a new account post just smells of fish and salt
the admins might be really dismissive and difficult to talk to but i don't think they ever ban accounts with just a discord screenshot as evidence
what probably happened was the screenshot made them look into that person's logs and found dubious activity
Macros and stuff can be checked manually, logs are for a lot of other information about input. Meaning, you can clearly and blatantly see when people use macros and other things by how they act in-game. Many years ago I learned to do it to look for bots, before they made anti-bot stuff for RO. Additionally, Gepard automatically checks for hardware that allows you to use built-in functions that violate Talon's rules.
Also LMAO if you think I'm kissing donkey, you should see the people who actually do it. I've been punished my fair share for violations. I am absolutely not on Boreas' good list.
On the same point here, nobody gets banned or even threatened with a ban for bringing up legitimate concerns in a non-confrontational way. Some of you coming in here like, "but I only said I wanted to know what happened" when in reality what you said was, "(The GM team) screwed up! You were wrong! TELL ME RIGHT NOW WHAT HAPPENED YOU A-HOLES!". It happens pretty often that salty people who got banned come demanding for their punishment to be reversed, and do it in the worst possible way. Swearing at the staff, other players, spamming their support tickets (it puts you at the bottom of the list when you do that), and of course, making "fair reviews" that are "so totally truthful and objective" on RMS forum.
Rolling my eyes so hard my optic nerve is gonna break. Ah well, another trash "review" to look back and laugh at. I'm out!
Enjoy the hall of shame for Talon reviews:
https://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/talonro-how-you-can-end-ur-story-by-seeking-a-help-from-main-gm's/
https://forum.ratemyserver.net/junk-yard/bann/
https://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/talonro-27434/
https://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/talonro-pay-to-win
https://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/talonro-not-lgbt-friendly
https://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/talon-ro-gm-boreas-very-bad-person - LOL EVEN ADMITTED RMT
https://forum.ratemyserver.net/junk-yard/dont-play-talon-ro
https://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/talonro-wahwah/ - Legit my fav "review".
Quote from: Sachimi on Jul 14, 2020, 03:13 AM
Macros and stuff can be checked manually, logs are for a lot of other information about input. Meaning, you can clearly and blatantly see when people use macros and other things by how they act in-game. Many years ago I learned to do it to look for bots, before they made anti-bot stuff for RO. Additionally, Gepard automatically checks for hardware that allows you to use built-in functions that violate Talon's rules.
Also LMAO if you think I'm kissing donkey, you should see the people who actually do it. I've been punished my fair share for violations. I am absolutely not on Boreas' good list.
On the same point here, nobody gets banned or even threatened with a ban for bringing up legitimate concerns in a non-confrontational way. Some of you coming in here like, "but I only said I wanted to know what happened" when in reality what you said was, "(The GM team) screwed up! You were wrong! TELL ME RIGHT NOW WHAT HAPPENED YOU A-HOLES!". It happens pretty often that salty people who got banned come demanding for their punishment to be reversed, and do it in the worst possible way. Swearing at the staff, other players, spamming their support tickets (it puts you at the bottom of the list when you do that), and of course, making "fair reviews" that are "so totally truthful and objective" on RMS forum.
Please educate yourself on what you're talking about. We were talking about macros in relation to keybindings. Most of gaming keyboard/mouses today have their own software that allows you to do so, and if you think this should be detected by Gepard (it was until they fixed it, Razer Synapse?), then you're hopeless. Nobody is mentioning anything about bots here, though I'm also aware of using OTHER third party software to code a bot to do series of programmed actions. The keybindings are just series of repeated, recorded actions, how are they going to check that manually? Unless of course, they see a person brewing, they warp said person to town, and if said person keeps on brewing nor replies to any PM, then that's getting caught in the act. In what way will their logs show series of keyboard inputs to confirm macroing? And if the logs for this exist, again, I ask, why did it take this long for them to take action?
If the reviews and replies here sound that hostile to you, then I'm afraid you might need to find your way out. You have in no way answered other people's refutes to your previous statements, and you just kept on taking the review in a bad way. We're merely talking about how the GMs act here, I have no control over how other people reply, or what they think.
Quote from: Nick_Valentine on Jul 14, 2020, 02:35 AM
This server is going haywire. The "One on Top" has a Trump complex, thinking that everything is fine and shutting up any feedback. You can't argue with the guy since he will just leave you hanging and tell you to just go to another server. And it's not just me, a lot of people I've talked to share the same sentiment. They, like me, also played in this server for a long time. Some of them even older than me. They just can't talk about their opinions openly because of the backlash of the fanatics and the threat of being banned from their beloved server. I just hope that the "One on Top" accepts the errors in this server. The problem is that he does not want to acknowledge the problems faced by this server. I just hope that he changes or he gets replaced by Lance.
Sometimes, I honestly think the server doesn't deserve GM Lance. In all the times I've played, he's always been helpful, active, and he doesn't feel disconnected from the community, unlike the rest. The effort he puts in for the lores in Nightmare Rift and Battle of the Nine contents, when it's complete, I hope it finds its way in the website so we can all appreciate it. Coming up with new contents in varying difficulties, while also balancing the rewards (I've seen people whine about the rewards) so that it doesn't mess with the economy is definitely a lot of work. I can feel his passion doing all this for the players to enjoy. For that, I am grateful to him for making my time in this server wonderful.
yes, i agree. its lance making it alive for more than a year. lance best gm /no1 if lance didnt make valkyrie event, people still only gmc and et everyday. i also like how gm lance communicate with players that join his runs, very approachable and friendly
lol that other review tho. part of flower field /heh
hum. still wondering why no comment. no comment because we are not involved with case, but no talking with person in case too? all the message here are with good reason but still 0 response /sob
In my opinion (and other players' opinions too), Lance is a better GM than the "One on Top. Lance is open to opinions and feedbacks. Lance absorbs them and tries to integrate them in the game. Lance listens to the players, that is how a GM should lead.
yes. he even ask for feedback and opinions on his runs. very approachable and accommodating too. thats why lance carries the server so much. while if u try to discuss with the admins, they will often dismiss or say "working as intended","came with iduna". he is a better representation of tro. how many players will be gone without his events? many veterans quit already. thats why if you ask old players, many will say their dislike for the current admin but nothing can do
tbh i feel like lance becomes a gm with passion and love for players while the current heads are burn out already running the server. that is the vibe they give
Yep totally agree with Lance being the one keeping the server alive with the interesting runs and actually communicate.
This is how they take these criticisms on their part: dismissing them as rumors and treating it as a joke, whilst they don't offer any response here to refute our statements. Not in any point in the thread did we mention that they ban everyone that they can. That's completely off the point. They don't even respond here but would rather look good on their own discord server. Plus, when the thread got mentioned in the discord, they deleted the message. It's not like I didn't say anything good about the server.
https://imgur.com/YXCwTOH
So yeah, would be nice to have people aware of their true attitude.
Discord screenshot is unedited. Keks.
Okay, I think this has gone on long enough now. This has long stopped being a review thread, and has basically turned into a rant thread about GMs, along with multiple posts repeatedly demanding answers from the GMs (which they are absolutely not required to respond to if they do not wish to).
If you wish to create a thread primarily to rant, we have a special section for that: Our beloved Rant and Rave (https://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/) section!
For now though, this thread has reached its conclusion.
-X.