Started by lungo, Sep 16, 2021, 11:55 AM
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Quote from: Mistral on Sep 16, 2021, 12:42 PMYour other points though, I disagree with. You cannot blame players for making use of the available mechanics when the staff itself condones it.
Quote from: lungo on Sep 16, 2021, 12:47 PMFor the record, the person I am replying to is one of the people that benefitted from this Majorous exploit, benefitted from the Monk bug
Quote from: lungo on Sep 16, 2021, 12:47 PMand from the Bard having out of era skills and if I remember correctly this person is the main one that made a tantrum to the staff and said he would quit if they fixed the bard skills.
Quote from: Mistral on Sep 16, 2021, 01:11 PMLook, you're just being petty and blinded by indignation now.I have not benefited from any "bug" knowingly, and my bard has leveled almost exclusively off killing MVPs plus farming gear.I have spent months leveling and gearing up my character with the assumption that my skills are working as intended, as there was absolutely nothing saying that they aren't, certainly not the server's info page which listed all the changes to skills and mechanics. It isn't my fault for not knowing how things were supposed to work on euRO 17 years ago, it was the staff's responsibility to communicate things properly.Yes, I was indeed going to stop playing that character or possibly quit if the change went through, because it would have meant that months of my and my companion's hard work have been wasted, and that my character was now borderline worthless outside of being a song slave.I recommend you to chill for a bit and then look at things objectively.
Quote from: Neffletics on Sep 16, 2021, 02:16 PMGMs are always subject to guild favoritism because admins like us believe that these players are better able to explore the game than solo players. As a result, whatever they report is likely to be considered reliable. However, the development team should be familiar with the common behaviors of things in that episode, or at the very least have someone who acts as a "peer reviewer" to ensure a smooth implementation.When the population is at stake, GMs are sometimes forced to compromise. However, it's always a good idea to consider the gray area that a decision will create if they choose to go with it. There is no such thing as a perfect decision, and others will always make sacrifices, but as long as the reason is ethical, I'm confident the community will understand.I had this experience with a big guild when they threatened to leave my server after I disqualified them for breaking a WoE rule. They even spammed negative reviews on our RMS page and caused drama in the group after they left. When you side with these types of people, you will lose your most devoted players.It is not the players' fault that the game had a bug, but it is the players' responsibility to communicate unusual things in the game, especially if it makes some features too easy. Server stability is a shared responsibility of the admins and the players, because we admins won't be able to monitor the server 24/7, so if something looks suspicious or doesn't work as it should, it should be reported immediately.RetRO is still a good server, and I don't believe they (the staff) have any ill will toward the community. It's great that Lungo wrote it objectively. I hope the administrators read it and learn from their mistakes moving forward.
Quote from: lungo on Sep 16, 2021, 12:47 PMI can blame both, people that always try to find ways to get advantage and the staff being afraid to punish players because they are afraid of losing them.For the record, the person I am replying to is one of the people that benefitted from this Majorous exploit, benefitted from the Monk bug and from the Bard having out of era skills and if I remember correctly this person is the main one that made a tantrum to the staff and said he would quit if they fixed the bard skills. This person is member of the Trap Lovers guild.So of course this people will always try to gaslight others into believing that they did nothing wrong and they can't be blamed for engaging in bad behavior.
Quote from: felixvu on Sep 17, 2021, 08:40 AMJoined retRO for 2 months+ and stopped playing as well. Seeing people talking in general that they got from 75->90 in an hour and the whole party received 75mil+ exp solely at Majoruros while i grind my donkey off soloing for several hours just to get 1 lvl really killed my motivation to play.The PC environment there is quite ridiculous as well, also guild favorism is a thing. Its too late to fix a problem that has been going on for half a year, no fatigue, no hitlock, no def/flee decrease while mobbing, 0 damage bug ( MS Monk )Its sad to see such a potential went to waste. Ill just wait for a new server to play with
Quote from: felixvu on Sep 17, 2021, 09:40 AMAlso u forgot to mention that by giving tantrum and making quit threats, he received a stat reset to remake his monk into vit/int MS, and that will last thru endgame for MVP content, kappa.
Quote from: lungo on Sep 17, 2021, 10:07 AMWell I knew they offered them a reset and I put that info on the main post but I don't exactly know how they rebuild the character.When the MDEF bug was fixed I asked Deja for a reset so i could adjust my stats since I was prioritizing other stats than Int, I would have eventually recovered my damage regardless but I just asked because well why not? but he didn't even said no to me, he ignored me. For the record I wasn't going to alter my build I was just going to switch a few points from Agi to Int, just so people don't take this out of context and start assuming I asked for some unreasonable thing.It feels like if you are not a member of a big guild you just don't matter.
Quote from: Shuchou on Sep 17, 2021, 12:12 PMAbout the fast leveling bit, when you have a full party semi geared right for the area you are farming/grinding you can gain massive amount of XP. Also there is a 25% mob tap bonus on retRO, so the more AoE damage dealers your party has the more xp the party gets. However I'm pretty sure they were there for more then an hour as even with 175% tap bonus(8players hitting) that would be 5,028 Majoruro to gain 75mil xp. With there only being 40 of them on a map that would be 100% impossible to do in an hour, as you would need to be killing 83-84 Majoruros a minute which the map doesn't support. Have to remember most players don't pay attention to how long they spent grinding when they are having fun, what felt like an hour could of been 4 to 8 hours, plus there are players that like to falsely brag about things they accomplished to make themselves seem cool/special/hardcore to those around them. Just as a side note 6 to 8 hours with a full semi geared for the area party could pull off 75mil exp from Majoruros. RO was never meant to be a fast grind as a solo, not even official pre-trans servers. You were always going to level slower then a group of players no matter how much gear you have for that one character. Old MMORPG's like RO were aimed at team work, renewal changed RO to solo online due to players wanting easy mode gameplay as years past.