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Title: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: LavosRT on Feb 04, 2021, 09:08 pm
where to start /...

Yes, there are a few 1x servers out there right now, but all are unique in their own way. Some use emulators and for people who like to play emulator mechanics they will think those are the "best". Some servers don't use emulators and usually offer less custom features, but more authentic gameplay and to those players that prefer those mechanics they will be the "best". But let me iterate something everyone needs to understand... There will NEVER be a private server that is 100% accurate to the original game that all us nostalgia-seeking nerds that are still playing this game are looking for. The hard working GMs and admins that run these servers do so because of their passion for the game and try their hardest to deliver to the best of their abilities a platform for all of us to enjoy the game we love.

All servers have their own way of trying to be authentic and that's fine. What's not fine are the negative reviews that servers receive from players that are looking to prevent someone from playing a rival server or toxic players that got banned for breaking rules and go out kicking and screaming throwing internet-tantrums. These servers are passion projects for their creators more time than not and to have crybabies that don't get their way taking fat steamy dumps on them in reviews must be super disheartening. You have to take RMS reviews with a HUGE grain of salt because more times than not someone who leaves a negative review is someone who is pissed off and not looking to "review" the server, but to drive it into the ground.

Review:
First, Ill just come out and address the elephants in the room... the largest complaint from people who have tried the server and left is that in the server's current configuration European players have high latency and are forced to live with it or use a vpn service like exitlag to get playable conditions. Another issue players have is the fact that you have to provide a phone number to authenticate your account, this is done to prevent multi-account which is against server rules. Similarly, there is also a standalone exe file that runs when you log onto the server which also is part of the mitigation of multi-accounting, It can be closed after logging in, its not a virus, its not going to swipe your personal info... all it does is prevent multiclient.

For the players able to afford a vpn or fortunate to live elsewhere in the world, Ragnarok Travels is by far the best 1x classic RO server running right now in terms of original/authentic 2004 iRO-like mechanics. It is by no means 100% accurate, but it is better than most and trust me.. i have played way more RO than i would like to admit to, on more servers than i can remember.

In my opinion, the biggest plus this server has is its lack of multi-client. Have you ever wanted to play a priest main on a server but you find it impossible to find parties because everyone is walking around with their own priest auto-following? Not on Travels. What about a sage or a bard/dancer or even a linker when they get implemented?... any support class HAS MEANING and is needed on Ragnarok Travels.

Now the rates, 1x... why play 1x? RO was originally developed by Gravity at you guessed it.... 1x. duh. So all zeny-sink mechanics that keep the economy in check were also designed around 1x incomes. The problem of zeny Inflation that plagues most servers is not a issue on a 1x, especially if bots are prevented or hunted+banned, like on ROTravels. 1x also provides a type of satisfaction that higher rates simply cannot. When you accomplish something, anything.. it takes time and effort and the more time and effort you invest... the higher your rewards.

The server was started by ONE PERSON, which is huge undertaking. His name is "Lord J" on discord. Some think he's arrogant for having the name "Lord" but grow up, its just a name ffs... your gamertag is probably as equally stupid.. mine is. A lot of reviews of the server are direct attacks at him for having to take a hard stance and enforce rules that keep the community together and keep cheaters and general s***-disturbers away. So hate him or love him that is for you to decide. As of recently though the number of staff has grown and is now 2 GMs and a community manager and things are running smoothly.

I'm going on 2 months here on Ragnarok Travels, its the best RO experience I've had since i left iRO-Loki pre-renewal and i plan to be here till the end.
Wanna join me? Come give it a try... what do you have to lose?  /no1

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Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Bue on Feb 05, 2021, 03:47 am
You sound like a cultist going on a rant rather than giving a review of the server.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Shagaru on Feb 05, 2021, 04:37 am
A good way i filter out suspect reviews is checking the join date on the rms accounts and checking their review history. U can usually tell if someone has a agenda making these posts or genuinely wants to share his opinion. /heh
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Tenuguu on Feb 05, 2021, 07:17 am
This being said, i feel the community of players that still seek 1x gameplay in 2021 are at war right now, its ROTravels vs retRO and its quite childish tbh. Both servers have their own way of trying to be authentic and that's fine. What's not fine are the negative reviews that both servers receive from players that are looking to prevent someone from playing the rival server or toxic players that got banned for breaking rules and go out kicking and screaming throwing internet-tantrums. You have to take  RMS reviews with a HUGE grain of salt because more times than not someone who leaves a negative review is someone who is pissed off and not looking to "review" the server, but to drive it into the ground.
Are you referring to the negative reviews made for Travels months apart by people with established accounts and reviews on other servers? Or the ones for RetRO made daily by newly-made throwaway accounts that all got deleted by RMS admins? If there's a "war" only one side is participating. Childish indeed :P
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: LavosRT on Feb 05, 2021, 09:02 am
You sound like a cultist going on a rant rather than giving a review of the server.


If being passionate about something i enjoy and wanting others to enjoy it too makes me a cultist, then sure call me what you want.

To anyone else looking for a fight... rather than s***posting here, why not go play whatever server floats your boat and instead of writing garbage here, take the time to write a review of YOUR favorite server. If you have contructive critisim of my review feel free to share.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: LavosRT on Feb 05, 2021, 10:32 am
Are you referring to the negative reviews made for Travels months apart by people with established accounts and reviews on other servers? Or the ones for RetRO made daily by newly-made throwaway accounts that all got deleted by RMS admins? If there's a "war" only one side is participating. Childish indeed :P

Taking what i said out of context and weaving it into something that fuels your own narcissistic desires is your decision, but all it does is enforce what i said about having to take rms reviews with a grain of salt. I said all negative reviews must be scrutinized for their intent regardless of what server they may be for. Please do not try to put words in my mouth, i do not appreciate it, thanks.

edit: fixed typo
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: skyeang3l on Feb 05, 2021, 11:58 am
Ragnarok Travels is also the most fun I've had on a RO server in years, though I'm not as great as writing reviews as you so I'll just attach myself onto this thread. There were some growing pains associated with it(some server outage) but after getting some server upgrades, it's been 100% uptime. Next to the community, I really enjoy most the accurate mechanics, being able to weave auto and animation cancel is very nostalgic for me- mob AI also functions on the same level as an official which adds a layer of difficulty that emulators don't quite have.

But this is all subjective I guess. Many players are content with emulators so other servers might be ideal for them. See ya in-game, Lavos.   /ok

Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Daletos on Feb 05, 2021, 01:56 pm
Jesus christ, my life must be in shambles if I'm back on this website.

Anyway, I came back to RO for a hot minute and wanted to pretend it was 2003 and tried out both Travels/Ret. I barely made it out of the novice grounds and just gave up. It's not that the servers are bad or anything, it's just the fact that it's 2021. 1x isn't sexy, it's painfully slow and with like 20 people online it simply isn't worth the investment or effort. Maybe if it was a fresh server with like 2k people online or something it would be, but again it's 2021. With this low of a player count and the whole region divide thing it really only appeals to hardcore/die hard fans, and clearly there isn't that many of you left.

I'm not much of a purist so it wasn't for me. If you could combine both servers with dedicated VPN support, maybe run 2-3x (on exp only since the 1x drops explanation isn't bad, but I know this would bother the 1x crowd), got a decent player count through this then maybe it would be worth it. But as it stands now I doubt either server will go anywhere worthwhile, and I'm certainly not committing to that (I already have commitment issues :D). 

Overall I don't think it's a bad idea, but again the RO player base is always so fragmented and all over the place. I like the idea of no dual clients etc., but you need the player base to do it. Personally, I'd rather have some compromises and potentially a solid and growing community. Just don't see it here because as always not enough people and too many servers across the board.

Cheers to the people that like this and no hate, but for most it's meh  /wah

You sound like a cultist going on a rant rather than giving a review of the server.


It wasn't that bad a of a review, give him a break. And dam you're still here Bue? Surprised to see some people still here, been like 7 years for me after I left/quit in 2013 after the final straw of all the drama and slow painful death of this game. Fun to stop by and go through all this s*** meh.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: distilled1 on Feb 05, 2021, 02:15 pm
Great, and well written review, Lavos!
Nevermind the negative nancies. Probably jealous of Ragnarok Travel's continuing growth and positivity. A "cult?".. yeah everyone who likes something is in a cult for that particular thing, right?
Especially pay no mind to Tenuguu who clearly has a history of grudge held against Ragnarok Travels and its owner Lord J, as seen in other threads because he/she didn't get their way after asking for changes.
I'm glad Travels is not full of rotten personalities like Tenuguu. From the start, I could tell by the way he/she spoke to people on travels' discord that they were a very negative person.

Travels has a great community of genuinely positive and helpful people. I don't have much time to play, but I'm extremely proud of it as a server and as a community.
Also it has been continually growing in population. Especially lately. There are now well over 600 total members in Travels' discord.
I just signed in to the game now, on a friday morning, and there are 54 people online. On a weekend it's probably closer to 60-80 players now(all unique people, since single-client is strictly enforced).
Not massively populated... yet anyway, but definitely not simply "20" players as Daletos claimed. I've never seen it that low except for when the server first began back in 2020, or shortly after a maintenance.

Lots of love, and don't forget to type /skip to turn off frame skipping  /no1

EDIT:
Also I just want to say that I don't think retRO vs. Travels is even a thing. If it is, it shouldn't be because they're not even competing for players. One is based in Europe, and one is in North America. That alone is going to attract different groups of players.
They're both good servers with no multi-clienting, and no pay to win. Huge respect to both!
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Bue on Feb 07, 2021, 11:51 am
If being passionate about something i enjoy and wanting others to enjoy it too makes me a cultist, then sure call me what you want i wont even call you a stupid poopoo peepee head like your probably expecting me too.

To anyone else looking for a fight... rather than s***posting here, why not go play whatever server floats your boat and instead of writing garbage here, take the time to write a review of YOUR favorite server. If you have contructive critisim of my review feel free to share.

By cultist, I mean it sounds like you are brainwash into believing that your getting the authentic™ ragnarok online experience. Travel is just another server running Aegis like Koko RO. It is incredibly naive to make a claim that your server is the most authentic, original, or accurate since that is just marketing lingo for Aegis servers.

The reason why multi-clienting is not allowed is because Lord J knows that this puts him at a disadvantage since he prefers to play on a single client in full screen. If he doesn't want to multi-client, then you shouldn't too. That is whatever, but the fact that he goes through all the trouble to police this policy is rather scary. You gave him your phone number, email, and have to run his custom anti-cheat software. That is a lot of trust and not worth the risk.

It would be a better idea to give people a firsthand account of what the user experience is like on the server since I think less of the server now after reading your review.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Neffletics on Feb 07, 2021, 12:29 pm
Only time can tell, guys.  /ok
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: distilled1 on Feb 07, 2021, 01:05 pm
By cultist, I mean it sounds like you are brainwash into believing that your getting the authentic™ ragnarok online experience. Travel is just another server running Aegis like Koko RO. It is incredibly naive to make a claim that your server is the most authentic, original, or accurate since that is just marketing lingo for Aegis servers.

The reason why multi-clienting is not allowed is because Lord J knows that this puts him at a disadvantage since he prefers to play on a single client in full screen. If he doesn't want to multi-client, then you shouldn't too. That is whatever, but the fact that he goes through all the trouble to police this policy is rather scary. You gave him your phone number, email, and have to run his custom anti-cheat software. That is a lot of trust and not worth the risk.

It would be a better idea to give people a firsthand account of what the user experience is like on the server since I think less of the server now after reading your review.
Wow. Conspiracy theories and paranoia.
The custom anti-cheat software I can kind of see as requiring trust to run, but only until it passes an anti-virus scanner. Plus there are hundreds of people using it already.

The other stuff though? What the hell?
Lord J doesn't keep the phone numbers on record by the way. Just like user passwords, they are converted into encrypted hashes, but even if he DID keep my phone number, what the hell do I care?
Oh no he might phone me or email me. How awful! My life is RUINED.

Multi-clienting is disabled because that is how a large amount of the population wants to play their MMOs. Just look at any private WoW server out there. They mostly disable multi-clienting.
SolaceRO? Disabled multi-clienting.
retRO? Disabled multi-clienting.

It's not for some tricky advantage only Lord J benefits from. You're paranoid, bro.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Bue on Feb 07, 2021, 02:43 pm
I have read from another post that the anti-cheat software requires admin privileges to run. That itself requires a lot of trust, especially since private servers have no accountability. You are being disingenuous if don't think this poses a computer security risk.

Hashing a password only protects the user when the server gets hack. It does not protect you from your private server warlord. And if someone is not careful with their personal information, then they can get dox. Again, you are being disingenuous.

And it is very clear that the ban has more do with preventing players from gaining an advantage by multi-clienting. This has nothing to with how people wants to play the game since you aren't given the choice in this case. And the policing of this policy and possible risks is not worth it.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: skyeang3l on Feb 07, 2021, 02:46 pm
Like distilled said though, this multi-clienting restriction is not a Ragnarok Travels exclusive. And obviously it is how many players want to play the game...given that many servers now offer this same feature. Support classes are very valuable on servers that lack multi-client. If you want to be a priest main, you can, instead of being replaced by a slave alt-tabbed priest.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: LavosRT on Feb 07, 2021, 03:13 pm
I have read from another post that the anti-cheat software requires admin privileges to run. That itself requires a lot of trust, especially since private servers have no accountability. You are being disingenuous if don't think this poses a computer security risk.

Hashing a password only protects the user when the server gets hack. It does not protect you from your private server warlord. And if someone is not careful with their personal information, then they can get dox. Again, you are being disingenuous.

And it is very clear that the ban has more do with preventing players from gaining an advantage by multi-clienting. This has nothing to with how people wants to play the game since you aren't given the choice in this case. And the policing of this policy and possible risks is not worth it.

The PATCHER requires admin to PATCH because it needs directory write access to PATCH YOUR GAME. The anti-cheat does not require admin in any way. You can play the server just fine after removing the admin privilege of the patch client once its finished updating, so what you read was wrong.

Playing ANY RO server potentially exposes any data you give out, this server is not special just because you say so. If you don't follow safe password practices online and instead reuse passwords its your fault if you get hacked, not some RO server you gave your info to.

In 2004 the computers used to play this game were potatoes that could barely run one client let alone multiple, on top of that each account required a subscription to play which also limits the amount of people able to do so. IMO limiting multi client does make it more authentic... but that is my opinion which you don't have to agree with. And yes you are given the choice to multi-client or not... its called find another server if you don't like it.

Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Daletos on Feb 07, 2021, 08:10 pm
You sound like a cultist going on a rant rather than giving a review of the server.

Okay now I see what you mean, these people are a little out there and fanatic like.

Wow. Conspiracy theories and paranoia.
The custom anti-cheat software I can kind of see as requiring trust to run, but only until it passes an anti-virus scanner. Plus there are hundreds of people using it already.

The other stuff though? What the hell?
Lord J doesn't keep the phone numbers on record by the way. Just like user passwords, they are converted into encrypted hashes, but even if he DID keep my phone number, what the hell do I care?
Oh no he might phone me or email me. How awful! My life is RUINED.

Multi-clienting is disabled because that is how a large amount of the population wants to play their MMOs. Just look at any private WoW server out there. They mostly disable multi-clienting.
SolaceRO? Disabled multi-clienting.
retRO? Disabled multi-clienting.

It's not for some tricky advantage only Lord J benefits from. You're paranoid, bro.

I love your logic "but everyone else is doing it, so it must be okay". Still doesn't change the fact that it isn't necessary. There are plenty of other options that don't require that, let alone potentially exposing your player base. At the end of the day it is a risk for a player to take, and anyone has the right to express their concern over it. I agree with Bue that I wouldn't feel comfortable with it either. It isn't specifically about whether Lord J is a good guy or not (hopefully he is), it's about HOW he chose to go about it.

Again missing the point. Why would a server require one's personal number to make an account? In the 15 years I've been playing this game in and out of the Pserver community, I have never seen this or see why one would need to. What purpose does this serve other than again to potentially collect people's private information and put it at risk? Why the hell should I trust some random Pserver with my personal number? All of these are valid points and concerns. I made an account using a fake SMS receiver online, because I didn't feel comfortable sharing that. Wonderful if you don't give a s***, but some of us do.

On top of that, there isn't even a need to do this. If multi-clienting is already restricted, why does this need to be done? Everytime you enter your personal information online there always is a risk. In most cases the only thing compromised is an email address which people can have plenty of (throwaways etc.), and are not always a big deal indeed. If people are entering their personal numbers, I shouldn't have to explain how that is a breach of privacy for many people in an online game that doesn't require it...

Again, what does collecting phone numbers have to do with blocking multi-clienting? If that's what you guys like fine, no issues there. That isn't the problem here.


Playing ANY RO server potentially exposes any data you give out, this server is not special just because you say so. If you don't follow safe password practices online and instead reuse passwords its your fault if you get hacked, not some RO server you gave your info to.


Yes that's true, but they never required your phone number which is a lot more personal. Anyone should follow basic username/password safety. Again that isn't the point Bue is making. You're deflecting responsibility to the player, when in actuality Bue is pointing out how the server's administration is harmful and unsafe. Players shouldn't be put in that position to begin with. This could have been designed a lot better without doing this is his point.

If you guys are fine it then go ahead, but people have a right to know and make their decision. Disregarding that and bullying people for telling truth does make you look a bit cult like. If you're trying to convince people to join, you're doing a terrible job.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: skyeang3l on Feb 07, 2021, 09:19 pm
a lot
I'm sorry, but how is anyone bullying Bue when he's the one calling a GM who made an out of pocket, passion project server a "Warlord" and the person mindlessly reviewing it a "cultist"? Bit of an unfair comparison....  /swt
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: distilled1 on Feb 07, 2021, 09:58 pm
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First of all, you're mixing up multiple servers doing multi-clienting with the phone registration thing. Not every server that prevents multi-clienting does the phone registration thing.
Travels does and for a good reason. I agree that people shouldn't give out their numbers for NO REASON. It's for a good reason that has benefits of preventing multi-clienting.
I understand if people like you or Bue here are afraid of "risking" giving your phone number to a single admin of a private server who isn't even collecting the numbers themselves, but encrypted hashes associated with those numbers, and that's fine.
You are entitled to be afraid of doing so, but I'm just saying, in my opinion, that is on the paranoid side, and you don't have to play on Travels if it's that big of an issue for you.

If you don't understand how the phone registration thing prevents multi-clienting, I will attempt to explain it to you.

Without the phone registration, people could use virtual private networks to gain multiple IP addresses, and use virtual machines, or multiple devices along with multiple IPs to create many different accounts and easily bypass the multi-clienting restrictions.
This likely happens a lot on servers that do not use additional measure to prevent multi-clienting, no offense to retRO or SolaceRO, but RO players are notorious for trying anything to gain an unfair advantage over others or to cheat in any way shape or form.

WITH the phone registration system, people can only create one account per phone number, and since each phone number costs a decent amount of money, those who would attempt to multi-client would be unable to without spending a lot of money.

You can argue that you "made an account using a fake SMS receiver online", but as Lord J has told me, all VOIP numbers are blocked.
This includes those receivers and also stuff like TextNow, TextFree, Google Voice, and so on.
There have been brief moments where he has allowed accounts to made that way, but they'll have to be verified during an audit to ensure one account per person.
Occasionally he will make exceptions for the privacy conscious and/or to test if the system is too strict, but every account registered from one is marked as such so it isn't anything that could ever become a problem.

So yes there are benefits to having the phone registration system, and if you view it as too strict, that's fine. Maybe this server is not for you, or maybe you're salty that you can't multi-client or cheat on this server. Who knows, but the point is that there is a clear benefit to having the system the way it is, and I for one think it's brilliant, and appreciate knowing that I'm playing on an even playing field with everyone else.
Many others also agree.

EDIT:
Also implying I'm a bully because I called out paranoia when I saw it? That's quite the overreaction and over-sensitivity you have there, Daletos.

I can only imagine what it's like when you order take out food over the phone.
Clerk: "Okay can I just get your name?"
Daletos: "hmm.... Dale..mc...person..bob"
Clerk: "uh.. okay, and your number, DaleMcPersonBob?"
Daletos: "Why do you need all this?! So you can collect all my private information and put it at RISK!? WHY THE HELL SHOULD I TRUST SOME RANDOM PERSON AT A RESTAURANT WITH MY PERSONAL NUMBER!?"
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Bue on Feb 08, 2021, 01:17 am
If your phone number is listed with your personal information in some directory service, then you can get doxxed. Here is an article talking about how a guy targeted streamers on twitch. (https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/magazine/the-serial-swatter.html)

Someone can SIM swap (https://www.cnet.com/how-to/sim-swap-fraud-how-to-prevent-your-phone-number-from-being-stolen/) your phone number and get your information and go after your accounts. It happen to h3h3 and he made a video explaining how it all went down. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caVEiitI2vg)

And the only reason these people were targeted was because someone wanted to hurt them. And the attackers did it through collecting personal information and working their way up from there.

So you are being very disingenuous. And in your own words, you are merely putting up a pay wall and you would still need to use heuristics to ban the players that get over that pay wall. You guys are even putting in the effort to audit accounts, make exemptions, and block VOIP numbers and specific services.

This level of policing is exactly why I question your anti-cheat software.

The PATCHER requires admin to PATCH because it needs directory write access to PATCH YOUR GAME. The anti-cheat does not require admin in any way. You can play the server just fine after removing the admin privilege of the patch client once its finished updating, so what you read was wrong.

You don't need admin privileges to update your game. Its sounds like the user permissions on your game installation was setup improperly.

I don't think you have a kernel mode signing certificate, so your anti-cheat software probably isn't running on system level. According to your website, it sounds like you are just adding a layer of encryption to the network traffic to prevent bots or other custom clients. But you can push a new update for the anti-cheat software through the patcher at anytime.

The whole vibe I am getting from distill1 and the way the server's website is written and what I think your developer might be capable of is totally sus.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: distilled1 on Feb 08, 2021, 01:43 am
you would still need to use heuristics to ban the players that get over that pay wall

This level of policing is exactly why I question your anti-cheat software.

So... your logic is that a high level of policing in order to remove potential cheaters is bad and why you question Lord J's anti-cheat software?
I don't get it. You think because he is strict about enforcing single-client, he made his anti-cheat software to spy on people or something?
You could say the same paranoid thing about Gepard shield and being suspicious of them spying on you. Only difference is that this is Lord J's custom anti-cheat, and Gepard shield is an anti-cheat more thoroughly studied by hackers and cheaters and therefor easier to bypass by hackers and cheaters. Either one you have to trust that they're not spying on you (not really because anti-virus is a thing). But if you're that paranoid, I get it. Don't play any server then.
Some people don't want to play with cheaters who will use every method they can to gain unfair advantages.

Yes Lord J would still have to, in certain cases, manually address cheaters who went over a paywall to cheat, just as any other admin/GM in any other server would have to if there were cheaters who got around things.

I'm not saying it's literally impossible to multi-client in this server, just that it's much more difficult to multi-client by having that extra layer of protection.

Know what vibe I get from you? Paranoid and suspicious for opposing extra anti-multi-clienting measures.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Tenuguu on Feb 08, 2021, 08:59 am
"If you don't like giving your phone number out to a literal random guy online then you're probably just wanting to cheat anyway".

This is the same server claiming it was, and I quote, impossible to bot/multiclient, lol? It's a terribly insecure system that's a deterrent to innocent folk at best, and clearly not working with the amount of people I see J saying have been banned for multiclienting. This isn't some regulated company that has to follow GDPR or anything like that. It's just a regular guy at his PC that decided to start a server, and man, given the history of some owners here on RMS, if you're happy to give over your real phone number in combination with your email then good for you lol, but don't act like people are insane for being concerned about that.  Everyone expects cheaters to get past anticheats, and it's down to the admins to actually monitor their players, not put up a cardboard wall and gloat they're impenetrable.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: distilled1 on Feb 08, 2021, 03:00 pm
"If you don't like giving your phone number out to a literal random guy online then you're probably just wanting to cheat anyway".

This is the same server claiming it was, and I quote, impossible to bot/multiclient, lol? It's a terribly insecure system that's a deterrent to innocent folk at best, and clearly not working with the amount of people I see J saying have been banned for multiclienting. This isn't some regulated company that has to follow GDPR or anything like that. It's just a regular guy at his PC that decided to start a server, and man, given the history of some owners here on RMS, if you're happy to give over your real phone number in combination with your email then good for you lol, but don't act like people are insane for being concerned about that.  Everyone expects cheaters to get past anticheats, and it's down to the admins to actually monitor their players, not put up a cardboard wall and gloat they're impenetrable.

It's actually a pretty good system and a solid defence against multi-clienters as I explained in a previous post. You can downplay its significance all you want but it helps keep multi-clienters at bay really well.
Yes with enough money to buy multiple IPs, and multiple phone numbers, someone could potentially multi-client, but the cost of doing so makes it very unlikely.
The rare few who would try something like that would likely get caught eventually by a GM or eventually reported by other players.
It would take a lot less effort and a lot less money to multi-client on the server if that phone number system was not in place. It's a good deterrent for potential multi-clienters.

You're simply ignoring it's significance in keeping multi-clienters away when you say stupid things like "clearly not working". It is working as a deterrent. People who don't even bother to attempt multi-clienting, because they realize how difficult it would be, are obviously not going to get banned for it, because they didn't try in the first place.
Most the people banned so far for multi-clienting are likely just those who attempted to multi-client in obvious ways such as using the same IP, same device, fake SMS receivers, etc and were caught.
I seriously doubt many or any people banned for multi-clienting so far were people buying up multiple phone numbers and multiple IP addresses because that's a very expensive thing to try to do for such little benefit.

We can agree to disagree about how "risky" it is to give your phone number to a private server administrator. I think that's the only somewhat reasonable argument against Travels. I personally don't think it's risky, but I can understand why someone would. For those people, I would suggest using a new/throwaway email address in combination with your phone number, and don't use any of your other real personal information.
I think if someone wanted to steal my identity, they wouldn't do so by making a freaking Ragnarok private server. But that's me, and you're you.

Those articles linked by Bue are things that happened to popular streamers or other famous people by the way. Such a stupid comparison. People with that much fame always have a target on their back.
If you're that afraid of getting your identity stolen, I don't know what to say to you people at this point. Maybe you think you're more important than you actually are.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Bue on Feb 08, 2021, 05:12 pm
You are being disingenuous again.

You only hear about these stories from popular streamers because they have a platform to share their story. If you are nobody, then it is even worse because you can't fight back. You can file a police report and they won't do anything since nothing happened. And the attacker could be covering his tracks to further deter the police.

With just a phone number, you can psychologically torture someone by making them feel vulnerable. It is as simple as receiving a text message saying someone is outside waiting for you and then getting phone calls throughout the night.

Also, anti-virus software doesn't protect you from everything. They rely on signatures to detect existing threats and then they rely on heuristics to detect new threats. You can write malware to avoid the heuristics and obfuscate to avoid the signatures. And since it will only be running on a few hundred computers, where users are willing to give you administrator privileges and whitelist your client to play the game, then you can easily get away with it.

And based on your responses, you don't care about the players, you only care about enforcing your ban on multi-clienting. Players need to be informed so they don't exposed themselves. And your strict policing and attitudes towards it is concerning.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Ara on Feb 08, 2021, 05:43 pm
How's the other 2 mentioned no-multiclient servers enforcing their no multiclient rule? Don't think I've heard about the other 2 needing any type of phone verification for theirs, or is all like that?
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: distilled1 on Feb 08, 2021, 09:25 pm
How's the other 2 mentioned no-multiclient servers enforcing their no multiclient rule? Don't think I've heard about the other 2 needing any type of phone verification for theirs, or is all like that?
I haven't tried signing up for them, but I doubt they use a phone verification system since people are so surprised by Travels taking this extra measure.
I imagine all it takes to multi-client there is a VPN and the knowledge to use virtual machines. Or a VPN and multiple laptops.

EDIT:
Again, no offense to retRO or SolaceRO. I think they're great servers simply for disallowing multi-clienting through Gepard Shield. That alone will stop a decent amount of people who can't use virtual machines or who don't have multiple devices to multi-client. Bringing about a more social RO with people partying. Much respect.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Eiponpon on Feb 11, 2021, 04:22 am
Ragnarok Travels is also the most fun I've had on a RO server in years, though I'm not as great as writing reviews as you so I'll just attach myself onto this thread.

I agree with this. Ragnarok Travels is the best low rate around currently. Solid review
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Bullet on Feb 11, 2021, 07:45 am
interesting point on phone number privacy. i regret signing up for RO Travels now considering the risks and compromise of privacy.
Especially now knowing how unreasonable the administration style is.

Yes Lord J would still have to, in certain cases, manually address cheaters who went over a paywall to cheat, just as any other admin/GM in any other server would have to if there were cheaters who got around things.
I'm lazy re-writing my entire episode how Lord of the Joke "professionally" & "manually" handled my case.


Do not reveal your phone number or real email to any gaming private server. Different story if using for established & reliable provider like Steam etc.

especially to application that has admin privileges, it wouldn't be long and difficult to track your online banking activities and with your phone number in hand - matter of time bypass TAC and verification to compromise your security.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: distilled1 on Feb 11, 2021, 01:26 pm
interesting point on phone number privacy. i regret signing up for RO Travels now considering the risks and compromise of privacy.
Know what else you regret? Literally trying to multi-client in Travels and therefor trying to cheat in order to gain an unfair advantage against everyone else, and then subsequently being banned for it.
Not surprised you're in every Ragnarok Travels thread trying to imply that playing on Travels is a mistake for whatever stupid reason you can pull out of your behind.
This is what a salty, banned cheater looks like.

There is no "risk" involved with giving someone your phone number, unless you're incapable of handling a potential phone call or text message. Not that you're even giving the admin of Travels your phone number. Just receiving a text to it while the number is registered via an encrypted hash.
Especially now knowing how unreasonable the administration style is.
Yes... banning people for knowingly breaking the well-known rules. How unreasonable. Continue crying a river, Bullet.

Do not reveal your phone number or real email to any gaming private server. Different story if using for established & reliable provider like Steam etc.
Or what? The same unlikely situations of being "harassed" that Bue pointed out? Okay, bud.
especially to application that has admin privileges, it wouldn't be long and difficult to track your online banking activities and with your phone number in hand - matter of time bypass TAC and verification to compromise your security.
With that logic, no one should play on any private server that has to install anything to your PC. Okay, bud.
Just like Bue, thanks for your unnecessary contribution of negativity to this thread.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Eiponpon on Feb 11, 2021, 10:32 pm
especially to application that has admin privileges, it wouldn't be long and difficult to track your online banking activities and with your phone number in hand - matter of time bypass TAC and verification to compromise your security.
fake news. the patcher needs admin to write files, which is the same as every server.  the security software doesnt. you just sound upset that you got banned.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Catlaunch on Feb 12, 2021, 04:02 pm
The amount of stockholm syndrome in one singular server is amazing. Bue was right; it IS like a cult at times.
you just sound upset that you got banned.
Is this the excuse every Travels player makes when someone disagrees with them? I've seen this "you got banned LMAO" response more than 10 times when it comes to Ragnarok Travels in the Discord, the RMS forums, the RMS reviews, etc. It just comes off as you gaslighting people. Some people, like myself and others who tried Travels during release, disapprove of Travel's software and practices with security invasions like phone numbers. And sure, yeah, official e-mails and repeating passwords are a good way to leak your information. But you can make up spam e-mails and random password generators to bypass this so-called "problem". With phone numbers the most you can do is use a burner and hope for the best that it works. And if you need the phone number for your password to get reset, good luck explaining that to the admin.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Shagaru on Feb 12, 2021, 04:28 pm
No u shouldn't give out ur personal phone number for a private game server of any kind. And i don't think any server owner trustworthy enough to hold that information would ever ask for it.
I was on the TravelsRO Discord months before launch when it was only a couple of people. I still remember someone asking for information on the emulator used for TravelsRo considering the admin and that rather polarising rant he had on his homepage. He was banned for (baiting /hmm) after like 2 exchanges questioning him with valid points.
Even if that guy has the best intentions and i agree that having to provide ur phone number is in the least another barrier of entry for a (non-)issue (imo). I dipped that discord at light speed. Now after flying through some of nova's review today i am happy my assesment of character was right at the time and i dodged a potential massiv bullet.
But i get it someone that can be so abrasiv is quite polarising and attracts alot of sympathizers if their opinions overlap on certain topics.
I just hope this has a good ending for everyone that still enjoys their time there.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: distilled1 on Feb 12, 2021, 04:33 pm
The amount of stockholm syndrome in one singular server is amazing. Bue was right; it IS like a cult at times.
There's no need for people like you, Tenuguu, Bullet, or Bue to be jealous of people writing positive reviews for or defending the server they enjoy playing by calling them cultists or implying they're prisoners of their server.
Just find a server you like, and stop spreading such false negativity for no reason, or are you very upset that Travels is popular? Is it taking away numbers from your server or something?
Is this the excuse every Travels player makes when someone disagrees with them? I've seen this "you got banned LMAO" response more than 10 times when it comes to Ragnarok Travels in the Discord, the RMS forums, the RMS reviews, etc. It just comes off as you gaslighting people. Some people, like myself and others who tried Travels during release, disapprove of Travel's software and practices with security invasions like phone numbers. And sure, yeah, official e-mails and repeating passwords are a good way to leak your information. But you can make up spam e-mails and random password generators to bypass this so-called "problem". With phone numbers the most you can do is use a burner and hope for the best that it works. And if you need the phone number for your password to get reset, good luck explaining that to the admin.
Yeah that's because most of the people who spread negativity towards Ragnarok Travels have literally been banned. Of course they're going to be salty, and then shamed for being banned by legitimate players.
What do you expect? That's like the natural order of things involving sore losers and cheaters.


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Pretty sad, but also kinda funny.
How does that make fans of Travels "gaslighting people", or "cultists" or have "stockholm syndrome"?
There's nothing wrong with defending the server you like from irrational negativity directed towards it, or writing positive reviews for it.
Get bent if you think otherwise, or go to a website where you're not allowed to speak positively with a bunch of other negative sore losers.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Catlaunch on Feb 12, 2021, 04:57 pm
Stop falseflagging and changing the situation, it's embarrassing.
There's no need for people like you, Tenuguu, Bullet, or Bue to be jealous of people writing positive reviews for or defending the server they enjoy playing by calling them cultists or implying they're prisoners of their server.
I am not jealous of people writing positive reviews. I'm simply referring to the facts: using your phone number for account verification is a slippery slope to many people. You can say it goes into a recycle bin after its use all you want, but you have no concrete evidence for this. It's all speculation done by the words of a person online. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXLgz3wH2n8)

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Just find a server you like, and stop spreading such false negativity for no reason, or are you very upset that Travels is popular? Is it taking away numbers from your server or something?
I have found a server that I am content with, and that server has nothing to do with this thread. This is a thread about Ragnarok Travels, not Origins or Zero or Solace or whatever is popular. Why are you putting words into my mouth? I never said I was jealous of the numbers. Read above.

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Yeah that's because most of the people who spread negativity towards Ragnarok Travels have literally been banned. Of course they're going to be salty, and then shamed for being banned by legitimate players.
What do you expect? That's like the natural order of things involving sore losers and cheaters.
About that Nee situation, she is an acquaintance of mine. She used firewall correctly as shown in the video, but she misjudged how Fire Wall works in that server. Instead of being hitstunned for a second while running through all the fire, it walked without any stun, leading to her death (https://streamable.com/fnrhu5). And before you claim it, no. I am not banned from Ragnarok Travels. I can provide a screenshot of my player if you'd like. And another point before you claim it; yes, I am aware undeads do not get pushed back with FW. I said hitstun. Just want to point this out because I am aware of Travels players in Reddit, Discord and RMS constantly pointing this out. It's simply an emulation error that he doesn't want to fix because it's been a bug(feature) for nearly two decades in official servers. So stop giving out false information about this case.

As for the Bullet scenario, there is no solid evidence and we have to take Lord J's (of all people) word for it. I'll stay cynical and take both sides for this as, again, there's no proof. All we have are a few sentences. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXLgz3wH2n8)

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Pretty sad, but also kinda funny.
How does that make fans of Travels "gaslighting people", or "cultists" or have "stockholm syndrome"?
The stockholm syndrome part is just another way to phrase the server players being beaten up by their husband, activating stockholm syndrome. The gaslighting part is people s*** with replies like "you got banned didn't you?". It's such a cop-out way to get responses and helps neither the players or the reviewer.

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And you're now no better than them. f*** off.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: distilled1 on Feb 12, 2021, 05:12 pm
An "acquaintance" of yours eh? Who also just happens to be obsessed about the firewall "bug" like Tenuguu/Nee is, spamming about it all over reddit until getting your posts removed?
Yeah.. sure.. acquaintance. I believe you.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Catlaunch on Feb 12, 2021, 05:17 pm
Believe what you want, but you must take your meds to function like a human being. I've been lurking around for months and decided to finally post. Take that however you want. I personally wouldn't care for Travels if you all didn't sound like cult members shilling your product. I could care less about Fire Wall as I never had a Mage above 50 in that server, hence why I never broke down how FW works in AEGIS, eAthena, Hercules, etc.

Not going to reply in this thread anymore. I don't think I'll ever change your mind on the matter, especially with that low-effort sh*t-post. Feel free to continue this with me in PMs.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: distilled1 on Feb 12, 2021, 06:22 pm
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Alright I've taken my meds(ate a snickers) and I apologize. I shouldn't just assume you're Nee/Tenuguu.
Please come back, and let us discuss the Travels some more. I haven't got time to play, but I do have time for discussion.

I'm not crazy about the the phone registration thing myself, but at the same time, I'm not turned off by it, and do not fear any risk because I only use my phone for calls/texts, and watching youtube.
I don't do banking or anything like that on it, so I could literally lose my phone on the street and not give a crap.
But because some people are turned off by phone registration, do you think it would best to get rid of it for the sake of a slightly higher population? Even if that means making it easier/more affordable to multi-client?
Without phone registration, people who buy a VPN and use multiple virtual machines or multiple laptops could multi-client (unless caught that is).
With phone registration, they would also have to pay for multiple phone numbers in order to make multiple accounts and multi-client.

I'd be interested to hear from anyone who is interested in playing on Travels, but who chooses not to because of the phone registration thing.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Eiponpon on Feb 13, 2021, 02:39 am
^ buddy stop pretending to be a different person. genuinely creepy. getting banned from travels is a hell of a drug

notice how you said you wouldnt reply anymore, but couldnt resist so you switched accounts rofl
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Tenuguu on Feb 13, 2021, 05:31 am
^ buddy stop pretending to be a different person. genuinely creepy. getting banned from travels is a hell of a drug

notice how you said you wouldnt reply anymore, but couldnt resist so you switched accounts rofl
Never said I wouldn't reply anymore. It's kinda fun. Also haven't been banned from Travels.

If you want to think that I made an alt account 7 years ago, 6 months apart, just to have on standby to argue on the internet that's on you I guess.  Bue was right, y'all cultists. Or I guess I shouldn't say that in case you think I'm Bue next?  /heh

Feel free to report me if you're that firm in your belief because alt accounts on RMS are very much against the rules but you know, the admin will easily be able to see access patterns and locations. Makes me feel kinda fuzzy that you think I'm one big singular entity making alt accounts out to get you.
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: Eiponpon on Feb 13, 2021, 03:38 pm
your other account had 0 posts (in all 7 years) until it came into these threads to continue your very specific arguments. it even bumped a thread yesterday that you last replied to months ago. you are claiming it is your “friend” lol. the only person acting cult-like is you. imagine being so mad about your vendetta that you bump your old posts on other accounts when no one pays attention lol. getting banned from travels is a hell of a drug!
Title: Re: Ragnarok Travels
Post by: yC on Feb 13, 2021, 03:49 pm
Locking.  This has gone far from being a review.  User who value their privacy may choose what information they share with any online services they sign up for.  Let's just leave it at that.

Also locking https://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/travelsro-a-great-concept-with-awful-execution-and-a-worse-owner/ because obviously the 2 months old discussion got resurrected for reasons related to this topic.