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Offline xtarinos

Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« on: Jul 27, 2021, 08:04 am »
Seeing the heated feud go on between the two server playerbase, thought i'd chime in.


Ragnarok Travels


I played the server quite briefly for about a month when it came out. I am usually a sucker for low rates and the server looked promising. The start was difficult specially due to the lack for parties or players. However i powered through and got myself a nice level 30ish thief. That was the peak of covid times(stay at home) so i tried getting my girlfriend into RO. She had tried Origins for a bit but is quite new to the game. When i went to register an account for her the weirdness of this server started to show.

When making an account it asks for your phone number, which is super weird but i didn't think much of it at the time. But when making an account for my girlfriend it just wouldn't let us create one. Even when using a different number, just gave some error. I had to use a VPN to create her an account. Then more weirdness with the client since it was running it's own anti-cheat software, which my girlfriend objected to, again being the RO lover i am just ignored it in the start. However i assured her that it's not giving any issues on my laptop so on with it. In hindsight that was a pretty dumb mistake by me because he runs his own anti-cheat. Gepard and others are tested softwares, running an unknown software is a bit fishy but i didn't face any issues myself. Anyways back to my experience.

So me and her played for a while, i think she got to like lvl 20 or so, the next day she had work from home so i told her to just buff me whilst i level up, which she was happy to as it was just alt tabbing and giving me agi up (was far from getting blessing). I wasn't exp sharing (since leeching wasn't allowed), however i can see how this whole thing might have looked suspicious from the admins side of things.

We woke up the next day unable to log into our accounts. Knowing what others have reported, y'all know whats coming, we were due for a ban. Which atm was super weird to me because i kinda expected for him to do further investigation or check with us. Being banned from a low-pop newly released server was a bit of a surprise. It kinda made me wonder, shouldn't the team be focusing on other more pressing matters rather than policing so aggressively, since the game still wasn't completely ironed out, there were a few bugs people were reporting and we were facing minor lag issues despite being in mid-west US(server is NA based as far as i know).

Sam day i approached Lord J (the admin/owner) inquiring about the ban. The only thing he told me that it was on the grounds of multi clienting. Which frankly i wasn't, but again i can see how someone could construed it as multi-clienting. Ill post my last chat with him on discord for you guys to see it.

tldr: I asked him for my account back. He hit me back with a *nothing personal dude*(??). Asked me prove me that i wasn't multi clienting, or i guess prove that i have a girlfriend who plays? I don't know what proof he wanted but moving on. The chat is posted for you guys to read

The only good thing ill say about the server is that when it wasn't lagging, it did feel fluid. I don't think Lord J is dishonest in anyway, he probably does want to create an authentic RO experience, but RO is quite alot about the social aspect of human interaction in an online game, and that's where his server is really lacking. My friend recently checked out the server a week ago, and it felt quite barren and dead to him. And the community remaining is basically a circle-jerk. Also the changes are absurd, idk if Teleport is suppose to be 100SP in iRO, never experienced it in any private or official RO (i might be wrong here though).


retRO


I've made this post long enough and it's highly opinionated, so imma keep the retRO part short and more comparative since they identical servers in their offerings.

The server is quite identical to RO Travels, however the discord is alot more lively and so are the cities. Parties are alot more common and frankly the server feels more populated than it's 150ish (50 auto traders) feels. Just been two weeks but really enjoying the server. The only major difference is that you can have an auto-trader + being playing your character, which really doesn't change the gameplay experience and probably is a smarter move as it helped the economy flow. Start was equally as rough as Ragnarok Travels, where i was barely able to buy healing items in the first few days, but due to a healthier economy i've got decent zeny that i don't have to worry about kafra teleports or buying consumables.

Even though the server is 6 months old and i've been playing for 2 weeks, i don't feel that i am too behind interms of equips, levels and zeny, i've already gotten a level 50 character thanks to some great Sage Worm parties, the community is super helpful, and the staff is real friendly, i've had bugs here and there and they seem quite genuine and apathetic when i reported it. They have the social skills of running a server pretty nailed. The only negative i can say for the server is the website is quite an eye-sore, that's like the only thing i'd give Ragnarok Travels a point over retRO.

The ping is fine playing from NA, though it is an EU based server. No complains there, similarish to what i get playing OriginsRO.

The client however is a wee bit buggy. Nothing game breaking, but annoying nonethless, reported it and GMs seem to be working on it.

Edit (missed this part): retRO also doesn't take any donations from what i can see. And in RO Travels defense, it doesn't either (sort of). It has this monthly subscription model to get access to their database, cosmetics and few other perks. I don't suspect it's game altering but it isn't totally donation free i guess, but i didn't subscribe so can't go too indepth there.

And lastly, they have a section on their website for people who have 2 players living in the same house, it is possible, you just gotta notify them before.

To sum up, both servers are pretty identical, but Ragnarok Travels is run by a CCP Gestapo KGB levels of punishment and strictness, along with the suppression of free speech that comes with it. Cheers!
« Last Edit: Jul 29, 2021, 10:58 am by xtarinos »

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Offline Imperial Regalia

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #1 on: Jul 28, 2021, 01:13 am »
Hi xtarinos,

You are a 4 time ban evader and your original two accounts have nearly identical names with nearly all of the same registration information. The characters on these accounts follow the same naming scheme, and the second character was only used to autofollow and buff the first. 3 of your 4 accounts were registered from proxies and mobile IPs.
« Last Edit: Jul 28, 2021, 07:17 am by Imperial Regalia »
Official rates | Episode 8 | Authentic mechanics (no emulation bugs) | No multi-clienting | No donation gear | English speaking

Visit Ragnarok Travels and learn more.

Offline xtarinos

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #2 on: Jul 28, 2021, 02:01 am »
Yep, i did use proxies to create accounts as stated earlier in the original post.

The other two account were mine and were abandoned and not used after i realized that i have to use a single account. I guess i skipped the ToS part on that.
We are not proving our innocence here, since i already admitted using a VPN to register which i presume is not allowed in your ToS.

However we did not auto follow, multi-client or leech.

Though it doesn't matter now i guess.

What is concerning that you would share an ex-players login credentials on a publicly viewable platform. That is pretty sus.

Offline Imperial Regalia

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #3 on: Jul 28, 2021, 07:34 am »
Your two character names are public information. Honest behavior would've been to inform staff before using a VPN to create the initial two accounts, because by nature of needing a VPN it was clear you weren't supposed to. The purpose of the subsequent multi-clienting and ban evasion was quite clear.

The other two account were mine and were abandoned and not used after i realized that i have to use a single account.

....

However we did not auto follow, multi-client or leech.
Official rates | Episode 8 | Authentic mechanics (no emulation bugs) | No multi-clienting | No donation gear | English speaking

Visit Ragnarok Travels and learn more.

Offline xtarinos

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #4 on: Jul 28, 2021, 08:08 am »
Your two character names are public information.

Bruh, what you initially posted weren't character names. Those were login IDs and clearly are not suppose to be public information.

Those were posted by you by, then later on removed by RMS due to it being sensitive information, and then later edited out by you, presumably after your realized your mistake.

Screenshots posted down below of the original posts.
« Last Edit: Jul 28, 2021, 08:41 am by xtarinos »

Offline xtarinos

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #5 on: Jul 28, 2021, 08:14 am »
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The characters on these accounts follow the same naming scheme

And there would have been no pattern in character names, there absolutely would have been a pattern in login IDs mostly for convenience of remembering.
I know this because most of our character names are pretty consistent.

Merchants are xtarinos(if male), Rogue would be called Ceridwen, and Priest is Arwa. Those classes are usually what we start off servers with.

xtarinos is a random self thought of name. Ceridwen is a celtic goddess, and Arwa is the name of a water bottling company in the middle-east (also a common girl name in that region). Idk what pattern you found in that.

Those are what we have called our characters for about 5 years now across many servers.
« Last Edit: Jul 28, 2021, 08:34 am by xtarinos »

Offline Playtester

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #6 on: Jul 28, 2021, 02:11 pm »
He hit me back with a *nothing personal dude*(??).
Did he suddenly teleport behind you?

...sorry couldn't help myself.

Offline Kirchen

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #7 on: Jul 29, 2021, 08:25 am »
Okay since my review has been called a fake review. Id like to show some prove. And if the staff reads this, please as well take that as a report for the server itself.







I think that says all about the server. dont play it.

Offline Ayahuasca

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #8 on: Jul 29, 2021, 05:49 pm »
Okay since my review has been called a fake review. Id like to show some prove. And if the staff reads this, please as well take that as a report for the server itself.







I think that says all about the server. dont play it.

Given this information I'd request the mods remove the owner's reply.

Offline Shuchou

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #9 on: Jul 29, 2021, 08:37 pm »
Lord J abuses RMS's guide lines for rating to falsely claim bad reviews to be misleading or false as smoke and mirrors is the only thing keeping a small handful of players around. If the RMS staff spend a month on the server undercover and truly dug around they would see how toxic the server owner really is. As well as most of the reviews that have been trying to point it out were in fact REAL REVIEWS and that the server even falsely claims to be an "authentic" official mimic when it's far from it. Pre-renewal balances in classic episodes, renewal UI, Autotrading, pet looting and bonuses, are not in episode 8... It's pretty sad that RMS admins don't look into the core of issues and just slap a band aid on everything based on misleading reports.

Offline Imperial Regalia

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #10 on: Jul 29, 2021, 09:25 pm »
Okay since my review has been called a fake review. Id like to show some prove.
It's a fake review because you have a conflict of interest that you're not disclosing — one of your closest friends has a staff position on the other server. Regardless of when you played, it is impossible for you to be impartial now given that relationship. The nepotism and lying about multiclienting seen here does not surprise me, and is ultimately one of the reasons that Ragnarok Travels exists.

Players will make their choices depending on how much they tolerate these kind of things.
Official rates | Episode 8 | Authentic mechanics (no emulation bugs) | No multi-clienting | No donation gear | English speaking

Visit Ragnarok Travels and learn more.

Offline Ayahuasca

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #11 on: Jul 30, 2021, 11:15 pm »
It's a fake review because you have a conflict of interest that you're not disclosing — one of your closest friends has a staff position on the other server. Regardless of when you played, it is impossible for you to be impartial now given that relationship. The nepotism and lying about multiclienting seen here does not surprise me, and is ultimately one of the reasons that Ragnarok Travels exists.

Players will make their choices depending on how much they tolerate these kind of things.

There's always a reason why it's never Lord J's fault and every one else is just being mean, scheming, lying, fake, etc.

If you run into [jerks] all day long... so on and so forth.

Offline baphomet123

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #12 on: Aug 01, 2021, 07:48 am »
one of the sh*t servers that i have played. Not worth playing this server full of toxic and the admin is full of corrupt and bad ideas on the server. Just don't play it. server trash and it's a fact.

Offline neethree

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #13 on: Aug 01, 2021, 08:50 am »
It's a fake review because you have a conflict of interest that you're not disclosing — one of your closest friends has a staff position on the other server. Regardless of when you played, it is impossible for you to be impartial now given that relationship. The nepotism and lying about multiclienting seen here does not surprise me, and is ultimately one of the reasons that Ragnarok Travels exists.

Players will make their choices depending on how much they tolerate these kind of things.
Everyone has bias. He played, didn't like it, and listed the specific things he didn't like. Just because it's not positive doesn't mean it's fake.
Maybe you should add a background check to your application process if you want to ensure only impartial players with no ties to other servers play.
Current Server(s):
None ;-;

Offline Kirchen

Re: Ragnarok Travels vs retRO (long read)
« Reply #14 on: Aug 03, 2021, 04:43 am »
It's a fake review because you have a conflict of interest that you're not disclosing — one of your closest friends has a staff position on the other server. Regardless of when you played, it is impossible for you to be impartial now given that relationship. The nepotism and lying about multiclienting seen here does not surprise me, and is ultimately one of the reasons that Ragnarok Travels exists.

Players will make their choices depending on how much they tolerate these kind of things.

At this point i am not sure you are trolling.

Just because I play on a server doesnt make the admin my "closest" friends. what kinda of hidden bait it this.
And i am completly neutral in terms of server settings. Ive tried your server with a few players of my guild for a good amount of time. And it simply isnt exactly offering what you are saying. It is a 1x server , yes. But it uses aegis wich provides buggy clients, wich isnt a good ro experience and second is your server i just set to 1x.

(Wasnt there when I played, if it was there i would have never started) -> It offers exp manuals for donation. It provides premium acc stuff. And you have total random change of teleport skill with 100sp.
my complet review is proven and those dates of the conversation where even before retro and we as a guild even left before retro was announced.