Ragnarok Travels - my 2 cents

Started by Seekr, Aug 01, 2021, 03:35 AM

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Seekr

Imagine you have spent a couple days farming a creamy card on an x1 server. One day you login, and your trusty teleport costs 100 SP. That's 10 times more than normal, and makes a creamy clip completely worthless. "Is this a bug?" your first thought is. Never saw a creamy teleport cost 100 SP, ever. Apparently it's a feature of some free 2 play officials, to push people towards playing on paid servers? A cashgrab, but even then people knew in advance on these free 2 play servers that their creamy teleport will cost 100 sp. But a powertripping server owner who calls himself "Lord" decided it was a good idea to essentially take away everyone's hard earned creamy cards on a whim. That's just my 2 cents, I liked the server, in some ways more than RetRO I'm currently playing on but I will never ever recommend anyone to play it from now on. Absolutely terrible decisions being made there.

baphomet123

You're correct, this server is kind of terrible when it comes to ideas. everyone should stay away to this server and ignored this server just find other server. the admin is kind of attitude when it comes to newbies sooo no that good server.

tin3ar

Indeed. I am trying EtherealRO, brand new server 1x. You should try out as well. /no1

Playtester

Actually I always thought the idea to remove teleport from the game was kinda interesting.

In fact all my time I played RO I always build up parties with a "teleportation not allowed except in emergency cases when the party got wiped and you are the last one left" rule.

The reason for me behind that is that it feels a lot more like an adventure if you start venturing with your party from a town all the way to the target location and fight all the monsters you encounter on the way, sit down to rest SP, roleplay and have fun. It's a much more enjoyable way to play the game over just teleporting to one map and then just grind on it forever. At least for me.

LordRalph

Quote from: tin3ar on Aug 01, 2021, 07:42 AM
Indeed. I am trying EtherealRO, brand new server 1x. You should try out as well. /no1

Not bad that server but at the end its pay to win... with donation u can buy supply boxes and more items. Ook, player can recieve some points by vote pages and so but is there that option too, so at the end it will be a problem imo.

Nova

Quote from: Playtester on Aug 01, 2021, 09:02 AM
Actually I always thought the idea to remove teleport from the game was kinda interesting.

In fact all my time I played RO I always build up parties with a "teleportation not allowed except in emergency cases when the party got wiped and you are the last one left" rule.

The reason for me behind that is that it feels a lot more like an adventure if you start venturing with your party from a town all the way to the target location and fight all the monsters you encounter on the way, sit down to rest SP, roleplay and have fun. It's a much more enjoyable way to play the game over just teleporting to one map and then just grind on it forever. At least for me.
Spoken like a true RP'er  /lv
I am not associated with NovaRO.

neethree

Quote from: Playtester on Aug 01, 2021, 09:02 AM
Actually I always thought the idea to remove teleport from the game was kinda interesting.

In fact all my time I played RO I always build up parties with a "teleportation not allowed except in emergency cases when the party got wiped and you are the last one left" rule.

The reason for me behind that is that it feels a lot more like an adventure if you start venturing with your party from a town all the way to the target location and fight all the monsters you encounter on the way, sit down to rest SP, roleplay and have fun. It's a much more enjoyable way to play the game over just teleporting to one map and then just grind on it forever. At least for me.
I would love to see a seamless field map in RO. No teleport - no zones, either. Just hoof it from one side of the world to another.
Shame it's not possible short of remaking it in a modern engine.
Current Server(s):
None ;-;

Sakaretsu

very glad to have this authentic ragnarok experience server

You've never actually played Ragnarok Online before. That's about to change.

Nova

Quote from: Sakaretsu on Aug 01, 2021, 07:26 PM
very glad to have this authentic ragnarok experience server

You've never actually played Ragnarok Online before. That's about to change.
You should try reading this and see if you can finish reading it without placing your hand over your face or grunting. It's fantastic.

https://www.ragnaroktravels.com/infinityupdate

I am not associated with NovaRO.

Ara

#9
I've been curious for a while now, what does it mean to not be rAthena/Hercules based btw? Like I've been under the impression that those were like kinda huge community projects on emulating the Ragnarok... backend stuff?

What does it mean to not have to use an emulator? Or is his server like running his own emulator that he made himself (whatever Odin is?), which apparently doesn't have bugs that the well-known emulators do or something?

Also, why would this be "more expensive" to run?

Not really knowledgeable about how the actually server stuff works, thanks if anyone can help me understand these!

GMSeiren-tRO

#10
Quote from: Ara on Aug 01, 2021, 11:40 PM
I've been curious for a while now, what does it mean to not be rAthena/Hercules based btw? Like I've been under the impression that those were like kinda huge community projects on emulating the Ragnarok... backend stuff?

What does it mean to not have to use an emulator? Or is his server like running his own emulator that he made himself (whatever Odin is?), which apparently doesn't have bugs that the well-known emulators do or something?

Also, why would this be "more expensive" to run?

Not really knowledgeable about how the actually server stuff works, thanks if anyone can help me
understand these!

Looks like they are just running AEGIS, which is the official (stolen/leaked) server software that the official servers run. It's available to download for anyone, but it is not very versatile to work with. It generally has higher hardware requirements because it's a terribly inefficient piece of software that's badly coded. Emulators like rAthena and Hercules try to emulate AEGIS as closely as possible. They have improved over the years but there are still some bugs here and there (ironically, many introduced by the emulator dev teams themselves) and game behaviour that's not entirely like officials.

Their claims in that topic about their server setup are hilarious though.

Ara

Quote from: GMSeiren-tRO on Aug 01, 2021, 11:52 PM
Looks like they are just running AEGIS, which is the official (stolen/leaked) server software that the official servers run. It's available to download for anyone, but it is not very versatile to work with. It generally has higher hardware requirements because it's a terribly inefficient piece of software that's badly coded. Emulators like rAthena and Hercules try to emulate AEGIS as closely as possible. They have improved over the years but there are still some bugs here and there (ironically, many introduced by the emulator dev teams themselves) and game behaviour that's not entirely like officials.

Their claims in that topic about their server setup are hilarious though.

Oh that clears a lot of stuff up, thanks for the explanation! Makes more sense than what I was imagining, where he was like coding the whole thing up from scratch by himself or something.

Shuchou

Quote from: Ara on Aug 01, 2021, 11:40 PM
I've been curious for a while now, what does it mean to not be rAthena/Hercules based btw? Like I've been under the impression that those were like kinda huge community projects on emulating the Ragnarok... backend stuff?

What does it mean to not have to use an emulator? Or is his server like running his own emulator that he made himself (whatever Odin is?), which apparently doesn't have bugs that the well-known emulators do or something?

Also, why would this be "more expensive" to run?

Not really knowledgeable about how the actually server stuff works, thanks if anyone can help me understand these!


Quote from: GMSeiren-tRO on Aug 01, 2021, 11:52 PM
Looks like they are just running AEGIS, which is the official (stolen/leaked) server software that the official servers run. It's available to download for anyone, but it is not very versatile to work with. It generally has higher hardware requirements because it's a terribly inefficient piece of software that's badly coded. Emulators like rAthena and Hercules try to emulate AEGIS as closely as possible. They have improved over the years but there are still some bugs here and there (ironically, many introduced by the emulator dev teams themselves) and game behaviour that's not entirely like officials.

Their claims in that topic about their server setup are hilarious though.



I also just want to add, that the leaked official server data was 1/3 of the high priest class. Not a full episode or current state of the game at that time, so most of what is claimed to be "accurate" AEGIS is 95% emulated just like the rest of the RO server file sets out to date. As for why no one really hosts AEGIS is due to the low skill programming the first team that started the emulator had, not because of the devs creating RO and due to the server set being well known for being built around the small amount of data leaked those that host a server using that software can be fined for breaking copyright laws and face time in prison. One person had to pay 200k and serve 3years behind bars. Gravity burned close to 10million trying to do the same with rAthena and hercules but due to the coding not being the same and having these "bugs put by the emulator devs" is what's allowing everyone that wants to, to freely host their own RO server with the two server file sets.

Neffletics

Quote from: tin3ar on Aug 01, 2021, 07:42 AM
Indeed. I am trying EtherealRO, brand new server 1x. You should try out as well. /no1

You can't rely on a server that steals content/design from another server. Anyone who cannot write or design their own material is doomed to failure.

Context: Web design is copied from SolaceRO
solacero rip

Rayeth

Lol at these people here trying to accuse the owner of being bad and mocking his intelligence. Ya'll are cry babies, its just a game... nobody ask you all to play this game. Retaliating with simple changes on the server and getting you banned from breaking the rules is why this server is different than any server that is up  and running right now.  /heh

Playtester

That rAthena/Herc have bugs has nothing to do with them not being able to be brought down by Gravity. And devs certainly don't add them intentionally. It's simply that there is no way to put copyright on source code. Even "ideas" are hard to copyright, they must include some new unique concept if you want to copyright them and "I make an MMORPG" is not one.

It's art, music and brand names that are copyrighted, but those are in the client and not the server.

By the way is Ragnarok Travels really based on Aegis? I mean I guess nobody would admit if it was as it would make it attackable. But I'd claim it would be impossible for a single person to code an 100% accurate emulator all by himself.

Nova

Quote from: Playtester on Aug 02, 2021, 07:32 AM
That rAthena/Herc have bugs has nothing to do with them not being able to be brought down by Gravity. And devs certainly don't add them intentionally. It's simply that there is no way to put copyright on source code. Even "ideas" are hard to copyright, they must include some new unique concept if you want to copyright them and "I make an MMORPG" is not one.

It's art, music and brand names that are copyrighted, but those are in the client and not the server.

By the way is Ragnarok Travels really based on Aegis? I mean I guess nobody would admit if it was as it would make it attackable. But I'd claim it would be impossible for a single person to code an 100% accurate emulator all by himself.
Quote from: Ara on Aug 01, 2021, 11:40 PM
I've been curious for a while now, what does it mean to not be rAthena/Hercules based btw? Like I've been under the impression that those were like kinda huge community projects on emulating the Ragnarok... backend stuff?

What does it mean to not have to use an emulator? Or is his server like running his own emulator that he made himself (whatever Odin is?), which apparently doesn't have bugs that the well-known emulators do or something?

Also, why would this be "more expensive" to run?

Not really knowledgeable about how the actually server stuff works, thanks if anyone can help me understand these!

Look at this post; https://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/travelsro-a-great-concept-with-awful-execution-and-a-worse-owner/msg200371/#msg200371
TravelsRO is just a copy-paste from KokoRO. Odin is just his database that's locked behind a $30 paywall that isn't even available yet (or is it) while he has been promising and talking about it for months.
I am not associated with NovaRO.

Playtester


Ara

Quote from: Nova on Aug 02, 2021, 08:39 AM
Odin is just his database that's locked behind a $30 paywall that isn't even available yet (or is it) while he has been promising and talking about it for months.

Oh wack I totally forgot about that, the infinity update post said "This trade-off was not acceptable for Ragnarok Travels, and thus Odin was conceived. Odin, the bare metal server powering Ragnarok Travels and the most powerful dedicated server in the private server industry" which made it sound like it wasn't just a database, huh.

Raïner

Quote from: Rayeth on Aug 02, 2021, 06:03 AM
Lol at these people here trying to accuse the owner of being bad and mocking his intelligence. Ya'll are cry babies, its just a game... nobody ask you all to play this game. Retaliating with simple changes on the server and getting you banned from breaking the rules is why this server is different than any server that is up  and running right now.  /heh

U talk big chubby. How about 250z fly wing, 1k9 blue gems, 12k ygg leaf exclusively for you? Surely u wouldnt mind cause its only a game? :D