Legacy of Nightwing Honest Review (Great start with a sad ending)

Started by Hexia, Jun 02, 2024, 09:48 AM

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Hexia

Hey everyone. I have been a LoN player since its beginning, making this post saddens me as this server had one of the most promising futures for a low rate with huge population support.

This renewal server had one of the best starts I could've ever seen for a private server, with many players excited to try it out. Sadly, so many bad unplanned decisions pushed 75% of the population away. Even the most loyal players ended up quitting because they were not heard. The Developer never listened and went with all the possible wrong changes, pretty much laughing at the veteran's time and donation spent. The server hasn't had any meaningful content or development in the past 4-5 months, as it seems playing Diablo 2 is more important than being accountable to each player's trust.  To mention some of the issues being faced:

-   Road map went from specific deadlines and goals to unplanned and not defined updates.


-   There is no point in min-maxing as you will constantly be getting random and out of nowhere changes in damage formulas, nerfs, and ¨balancing¨ so any hard work will feel lost. These changes are never properly tested by the developer and most of them come out of random discussions in his stream instead of deep testing, this has become an endless loop through these last months.


-   Episodes being added incompletely and not being addressed for months even after several requests by the players.


-   Dev - time being placed in nonsense stuff instead of bug–fixing and content development.


-   Maintenances stopped being regular



This server has great QoL features, and you are likely to enjoy the journey until you hit level 200. But after that, you will feel like the time spent there was just not worth it as the experience of the players having reached there isn't taken into account, enhanced, or taken care of.

I'm concerned about all the newer players that have been joining recently, I would politely suggest you re-consider starting your RO journey in this server or spending time/donations in the meantime as it seems like even at this state there isn't any foreseeable plan to solve any of the issues the server is having.

Legacy Of Nightwind

Right so let me just start of with saying that im really sorry you feel this way and i'd like to adress the issues you've brought up

- Maintenances being re-scheduled is mostly due to my overall health, which lately ive had quite a few real life health issues (which honestly is something that happens to us all, is it not?)

- Road Map was changed for the same reason as above, Health reasons  and the Stress it was adding to me

- Dev time not being put into meaningful things? Right okay so let me break it down here a bit, The majority of players are between 1-200, meaning they are not 200+, out of the 400-600 Unique IP's connected weekly, a very small % is actually 200+, the few people who chew through the game due to playing such a massive amount, i can never develop at this pace as a single developer who's still learning

- Episodes not being "fixed " bounces back to my health issues and being a single developer.

- You're claiming i dont listen? yet i make polls about basically every meaningful change to gauge player feedback and host Development streams where we discuss things that might be good / bad for the server's longevity.

- Saying that i "Play Diablo 2" instead of developing is absolute nonsense, i did start playing it a bit to have some contrast to developing 24/7 as this is a long-term project for me, i cant do 12+ hours a day 7 days a week, 365 days a year, its just not possible for my mental health.

- Pushing 75% of the playerbase away? im sorry but you're making up numbers and giving false information

- "No meaningful content for 5-6 months" ? this is a blatant lie, meaningful might be for YOU but we've had SO many updates to various systems AND new content for both pre 200 and post.

- All in all, you can never please everyone and im sorry that you feel that you werent heard and i did not respect your time and donations, i assure you i have every intent on listening to the playerbase, HOWEVER you need to understand that listening does not mean that you will get what YOU want if it goes against the Vision of the Server or the Majority of the playerbase's Wishes either.

Edit: Making an honest post under a name that nobody on the server has ever heard of seems a bit strange, if you're trying to show credit and being a "long term player"  and seemingly not even knowing the name of the server for someone who has been playing since the start?

Sincerely, Nina.

Hexia

It's lovely how you only look at IPs instead of getting into the game and looking at the state of it. It's so easy to see how empty the game feels and you'd see the same 10 people around with different alts. Probably most of these IPs are one-time-only players. This statement is nonsense, there is no way you even have 20-30 players playing at the same time.

Thanks for validating my point that most players playing are under 200. Have you ever wondered why? Probably because most above that have left the game by now.

Oh about the dev streams, I guess you refer to the ones we have barely once every month or so?

Polls about basically every meaningful change and meaningful development. Right, I like the poll about removing the mount of DK and still being able to use Dragon Breath skills, I can see how meaningful that is, not like we have missing instances and a lot of bug fixing to do.

Honestly, the first step to address a problem is understanding there is one, which isn't the case here.

Legacy Of Nightwind

Quote from: Hexia on Jun 02, 2024, 10:30 AMIt's lovely how you only look at IPs instead of getting into the game and looking at the state of it. It's so easy to see how empty the game feels and you'd see the same 10 people around with different alts. Probably most of these IPs are one-time-only players. This statement is nonsense, there is no way you even have 20-30 players playing at the same time.

Thanks for validating my point that most players playing are under 200. Have you ever wondered why? Probably because most above that have left the game by now.

Oh about the dev streams, I guess you refer to the ones we have barely once every month or so?

Polls about basically every meaningful change and meaningful development. Right, I like the poll about removing the mount of DK and still being able to use Dragon Breath skills, I can see how meaningful that is, not like we have missing instances and a lot of bug fixing to do.

Honestly, the first step to address a problem is understanding there is one, which isn't the case here.


If you want to have any credibility to your post, please provide proper information such as the "polls" you mention 1 poll i did just what a day or two ago for fun compared to the other 20-30+ polls that have effect on gameplay overall?
If you want to have a proper discussion regarding issues you think the server has, start by talking to us/me in discord , making a post on RMS under a random name nobody has ever heard of, looks a lot like toxic behaviour honestly.

yC

To be fair, most servers out there are playable for free.  So saying the server owner or devs doing other things rather than developing the game is rather demanding.  We have to understand that they don't owe the player anything.

Do remember server staff also are human, they are not generative AI that write code and response to requests 24/7.  They also have a life, maybe a job or a family to take care of.

Your priority of the server might be different than the priority the server staff is aiming, in which case that will frustrate you as a player.  However, that is out of your control.  You can make suggestion and constructive criticism but do not expect your suggestion to become the top priority. 

I mean, you wouldn't be the only player that give suggestions right?  So just relax and let the server sort things out if you feel you can bear with the team.

The last thing I want to see is server with great potential have to close due to pressure from working on the server. @ hope everyone see this

mrfizi

Quote from: yC on Jun 02, 2024, 12:57 PMDo remember server staff also are human, they are not generative AI that write code and response to requests 24/7.  They also have a life, maybe a job or a family to take care of.
Yes! Agreed with that. Everyone should tolerate with this.

Quote from: yC on Jun 02, 2024, 12:57 PMYou can make suggestion and constructive criticism but do not expect your suggestion to become the top priority. 
Most player nowadays always want owner of the server or developer to follow their request/suggestion 100%. If not, they will try to ruins the server until the owner/dev follow what they want. But lastly they will leave the server and repeat the same thing on other server.  /hmm  /heh


I think everyone should read this topic https://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/things-everybody-else-wants-in-ro-except-you/msg173305/#msg173305 by Playtester to understand.
A person who loves the classic and pre-renewal closed-to-official server experience.

luminous_effect

Quote from: yC on Jun 02, 2024, 12:57 PMTo be fair, most servers out there are playable for free.  So saying the server owner or devs doing other things rather than developing the game is rather demanding.  We have to understand that they don't owe the player anything.

Do remember server staff also are human, they are not generative AI that write code and response to requests 24/7.  They also have a life, maybe a job or a family to take care of.

Your priority of the server might be different than the priority the server staff is aiming, in which case that will frustrate you as a player.  However, that is out of your control.  You can make suggestion and constructive criticism but do not expect your suggestion to become the top priority. 

I mean, you wouldn't be the only player that give suggestions right?  So just relax and let the server sort things out if you feel you can bear with the team.

The last thing I want to see is server with great potential have to close due to pressure from working on the server. @ hope everyone see this

Yes, that is out of the player's control, HOWEVER, you'll have to be the player in that server to understand the topic starter's viewpoint. I was also a player there, had great potential sure, but first thing is that the administrator sometimes DOES NOT acknowledge that there is a problem, and when it was acknowledged, it's for the wrong priority.

Gotta remember too that a Ragnarok Server should be fun yes? What if almost 75% of the players that got into a point where the topic starter was has the same feelings about it? (like I did too)

There's a ton more to say:
- Have an MVP card dropped? Cool! It is a non-reworked version, and you'd be lucky to get it reworked by 2030. So you're stuck on a useless item, fun in getting the drop is gone and non-existent (but the promise of getting it reworked 'in the future').
- Got the gear you worked hard for after that blood, sweat, and little time you got? Cool! Here's a nerf.
- Got that 400m damage you sacrificed your only time on to achieve? COOL! Here's a nerf by half, enjoy!
- Did you got responded with "WoE/PvP in the future", COOL! on 2045 by how things are going!
- Saw a response like "Crystal Palace", "200+ content", "in the future"? COOL! Year 2055!
- Got a cool feature in the server? "Oh no! It's a mistake that it's there, seems like I did not forsee this, gotta take this out", while some players are brainstorming for an alternative solution other than taking the good feature out.

SURE, the server was great, saw its potential, but the potential is ONLY AS GOOD AS A NON-REALIZED IDEA and is as good as a dream, if content can't be delivered, "as promised 23439485934 times already" by the dear admin of the server.

So please let's not invalidate the POV of players who wasted so many time on that already and is now just breaking out their frustrations. We only got "sorry that you don't like the updates" and "will be doing better" (as seen in the response here too) but there ARE STILL NO ACTIONS relating to the issues raised by the "players", privately, or publicly.

luminous_effect

Quote from: Legacy Of Nightwind on Jun 02, 2024, 10:36 AMIf you want to have any credibility to your post, please provide proper information such as the "polls" you mention 1 poll i did just what a day or two ago for fun compared to the other 20-30+ polls that have effect on gameplay overall?
If you want to have a proper discussion regarding issues you think the server has, start by talking to us/me in discord , making a post on RMS under a random name nobody has ever heard of, looks a lot like toxic behaviour honestly.

And to you, our dear server admin, "the players" already raised concerns, I think some already talked to you privately too, what did they get exactly? Absolutely nothing tangible, after how many months/weeks too.

Stop making your Ragnarok private server a source of "validation" for you to feel good about yourself, from your pool of "good people in the discord/game server" who are, what term is it? oh! they're "donkey-kissers".

It started out great sure, but now? Meh.

P.S. Stop gaslighting some players, you gaslight them and you don't even know it, or knowingly very elite in doing it.