Project Alfheim is p2w

Started by Kushiro, Jan 12, 2023, 01:38 AM

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Quote from: PriestsDontHeal on Jan 13, 2023, 05:05 PM
I am all for logic and reason, I dedicated my whole adult life to studying it, and I literally both teach it and apply it for a living.

I dislike the fact that you emptily throw the words "logic and reason" around just to think you are smarter than everyone when in reality your post was 20% valid points, 80% fallacies and cognitive biases, and 100% you being an obnoxious a******. Like I said, you are a perfect example of a Dunning-Kruger bias and as long as you don't learn how to better communicate with other human beings you will keep getting shunned by every community regardless of how smart you think you are (you are not). Anyone can take an "Introduction to Logic" class and start yelling the name of various fallacies onto people's faces, that doesn't make you a Logician or a Philosopher. People that actually know how to apply logic in their argumentation are usually able to pinpoint the biases in their own rethoric as well, not just in others', but you need something called intelectual honesty for that.

It is very clear that your opinions and the way you communicate them were not welcome neither in Alfheim nor here in this forum. Alfheim is a private server and they are welcome to do whatever the hell they want with it, you can't do anything about it. So why don't you "apply logic and reason" and move on now? I'm sure there's plenty of other servers that could use your brilliant "gigachad philosopher" input.

So show me the fallacies I have incurred instead of insulting me Mr i teach "logic" instead of insulting me and incurring in adhominem attacks like the typical clown.

I'm pretty sure you will run like a coward from a straight debate with me because all you can do is attack me because you have 0 arguments whatsoever and yeah I am much better than you at this, and it is shown just by the fact that you have 0 arguments whatsoever that aren't adhominem or apeal to emotion crap.


What saddens me the most is to know that the emulators (Rathena and Hercules) do not receive any donation from the RO community, and this same community is in adoration for gms who do very little mod. The difference in work is not even comparable, we compare a beach with a grain of sand, and yet it is the grain of sand that collects the donations :(


A private server has to have a way to make an income, cuz It isn't easy or cheap to run a server. This isn't even a P2W server. Almost every server out there uses costumes as donations.
You just need to stop whining and find a server that doesn't have donations (good luck with that), or make your own server.


This seems like a fair review. A lot of RO servers claim not to be p2w and then fall into this trap of selling high-value, tradeable cosmetics. Tradeable being the keyword. I remember using similar tactics to make money in popular whale games like TERA so to see people claiming its NOT p2w because its a RO private server is a little funny.

They do have to make some revenue ultimately, but yes the way they choose to go about it is p2w. Is it a big revelation? Not really, other private servers do so enmasse.


As someone who have been on multiple PS since years ago with all the drama, corrupt GM, p2w, p2w behind closed door, and just recently trying to get back to RO and found Project Alfheim (not even sure yet if I like it), all I can say is OP sounds butthurt. You can have your own argument, that's your right, but you don't have to pick a fight with the whole server for it. That's bad for the community overall, not just for this PS, having people like you...

Moreover, paying real money for getting benefits (zeny in your argument) which can be obtained by everyone simply by playing is not P2W lol..


technically he is correct, in terms of cash shop items can be directly sold for zeny to other players. but in the spectrum of "p2w" this should not be the hill youre willing to die on. there are servers that are far, far more pay to win than this. and it begs the question why you would "review" this server as an example of p2w when theres a lot more better example. yep, sounds like you are butthurt.

cosmetics only cash shop = pay to win -said no one ever /heh


FFS there are servers that allow RMT so this is by far not a "pay to win" thing but more so a way to skip farming to some extents ... BUT you do still need a buyer for those items


I didn't read all of the posts, just main post, but I registered here because I want to talk about two images posted by OP and give my opinion about the server.

The first pic I want to talk about (discord message by "Deer") is mine. I didn't sell any of those costumes, despite trying, so even if I had them, I got no zeny for them. ALSO, I didn't pay real money to get them, so it's not an argument to say the server is p2w, because no real money payment was made, and even if it did, no zeny or advantages that can be considered "win" existed.

The second pic (message by "Sing"), is also me, but before I changed my profile on Alf's discord. I was just asking how to search for costumes with the command to find who sells things. Two considerations about that on: a) I couldn't find the costume because I was looking with the wrong name; b) the @ws fail happens even if you look for the correct things, because there's a cooldown time between searches. That message had no relation to paying or winning whatsoever.

Now my opinion about the server, since I have both donated AND bought donation things with zeny: I don't see how aesthetic items, even if you obtain them by paying real money, contribute to winning, other than relatively mild zeny amount you can get. From what I see recently, items worth around 5-6 USD in Cash Shop may vary from 1m to 3m zeny. I farmed one full day in Skel Workers and got almost 17m by selling cards, just to compare. So I don't see how one could simply go and pay to win, because PLAYING clearly leads to a lot more win than PAYING.

About the changes, I honestly don't see any that makes the game worse than it is in classic. What's buffed needed buffs and what's nerfed needed nerfs (especially prices of dropped gear that lead to huge inflation, and were very well adjsted). And I'm all for changing TKM btw (something that is planned iirc). The custom dungeons add things the game desperately needed: good places to level up as some classes that were usually leeched, or better endgame experience. Even at rates 3x with occasional event boosts to 6x, it feels way better to level up than rates 5x that occasionally float up to 8x (yes, I'm comparing with ORO). About random options in gear, it DOES add more RNG, obviously. However, it also makes a lot of things that would be very expensive quite accessible, because the value is shifted towards gear with better rolls, so if you want to be casual, you can still enjoy good gear, but with less optimal options. I don't see how that makes things worse, unless you're extremely picky with wanting the best of the best gear... for which case you can't get it by paying.


This is some massive s*** i`ve read there. Dude`s butthurt and trying desperately to badmouth the server.   

I`ve donated to them just because its a truly F2P server that must be supported. Honestly, the cash shop was of 0 interest to me, I wish there was more options at the cash shop tbh. 

Ended up with a bunch of costume bs that will sit forever at my storage.


I made an account just to say that OP is right. I had played for a few months in the Project Alfheim server, and he's totally right in all points. The OP just need to learn how to communicate better(positive feedback).

That's all, thanks and have a good day everyone /no1


It's not relevant if this is the correct application of the term "P2W". The only relevant part OP tried to pass is how no server can claim they're "F2P" (again: not being F2P doesn't mean it's P2W) while allowing players to directly exchange real currency to in-game zeny through any means.

Yes, we know RMT exists in every server, but this one here is essentially the same as RMT, just a legalized (by the server) RMT.

Which means it can't claim it's F2P.

Quote from: Nova on Jan 12, 2023, 09:24 AMAlfheimRO is so pink and bubbly, when I entered their website and discord, it felt a bit like walking into the bedroom of a very girly teenage girl again, but without the excitement and anticipation. It was like I walked into a house made of pink bubblegum. It was so forcefully sweet, pink and bubbly wubbly that I turned 360 and just got out of there pretty much instantly without even trying the server out.

Lmao laughed way too hard reading this (felt a bit bad too as this is kind of mean, if you get me LOL) but it's a reality of 99% of RO servers these days, and especially since last year/Gravity's stuff.

Quote from: Mammouth on Jan 14, 2023, 12:46 AMWhat saddens me the most is to know that the emulators (Rathena and Hercules) do not receive any donation from the RO community, and this same community is in adoration for gms who do very little mod. The difference in work is not even comparable, we compare a beach with a grain of sand, and yet it is the grain of sand that collects the donations :(

Fully agree. Wish this wasn't a reality. Most of us, the players, have our priorities pretty f*** up, especially when supporting s*** corrupt and greedy Admins/GMs. Main reason It's nearly impossible to decently play RO these days, as in the past 10 years (even worse after Gravity's offensive started) or so, as there's basically no decent, stable and fully f2p server around. Only joke servers running right now and trying to stay low to avoid getting attention from Gravity, as if this would help them at all lol.

To me, the way to support their work is by playing their server, and that's why I played that huge fully f2p server created and ran by the top contributors in Hercules. Been playing since the game was released, played dozens of private servers (many of the biggest ones), 5 different officials, yet no server ever came any close to that one. Still waiting for the server's return and will continue to do so, even if the server never comes back. I refuse to play clown servers.

Also never play or support servers ran by corrupt greedy pigs running to make money only. The kind of server that sh*ts on their own community, such as Talon.
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Yea so after reading through this, you do realise people have been buying and selling items, currency and even leveling services for real money as long as gaming in a multiplayer enviroment has existed ? Hell even back in the IRO days of 2004, a friend of mine sold his Phreeoni card for thousands of euros so..

P2w is and has always been on online gaming, and will always be as there will always be people with a lot of money and no time and people with a lot of time on their hands and willing to "work" for the money, its just Supply and Demand, a server offering Costumes is less p2w than officials by far who offers real gear in the cash shop or even bloody branches and CARD, on some official servers you can buy MVP cards from the store.

Anyway Long story short, you have the right to your opinion but id advice you to think more about what you're saying, and no i dont play on their server nor have i ever.