Power Abuse in fgRO forums

[Deux]

QUOTE(Archimedes @ Sep 18 2007, 04:00 AM) *
no not exactly. it depends who does soul burn first or who has more mdef, or who got godly dex or who got more HP or who got their bolts first hit.

but thn again, if u really wanna see good proff duelling, u shud hv been here in the old times.

proffs like CAS, Cue Master, Sypher, Spectacle are still the best. personally, i love spectacle. the most devastating offensive proff of the server.

thng is....they all quit

QUOTE(Archimedes @ Sep 19 2007, 01:49 AM) *
i thot combat knife / poopoo reduces physical damage. does it reduce magical as well?? blink.gif

QUOTE(hiko @ Today, 08:21 AM) *
Poopoo does reduce matk cz a high wiz is a demi human but if compared with mdef on head it reducess less and combat knife is pretty well in reducing matk with mdef on wiz thts wat i use on my wiz combat knife LOL 65 mdef + combat knife

the bold part contains posts made by archimedes/zeus guy. please tell me & the RMS forums where & what kind of flames do you find in it? you won't. but still you won't find these posts in the thread because 1 of you decided to delete it just because you hate him. accept it. why won't you? and if you lift my suspension even for 30 mins, i can post/quote a whole lot more posts & threads that will show how his every single post was & still being deleted by you people even if it does not contain flames pointed directly/indirectly to members or the GMs.

i don't love this guy or something, i am only confirming my accusations on your power abuse practices, by making HIM as my example.

[infinitum]

He's been here for months, and in all this time he has been flaming and spamming. That's justifiable for a permanent ban on all accounts, since that's what an IP ban essentially does. However, since he keeps making new accounts on new IPs, it's easier to just constantly delete his posts rather than going through the ban process for every new account and IP he uses.

[Deux]

umm, GM Infinitum, do you even know what you're saying? if he has been for such a long time, why would you take such steps now?
more importantly, why would you go through time & pain to delete even those posts which are not flames at all? i think he has like what...8100+ posts. i saw it somewhere in "strongest person" thread. who encouraged him to reach that post count. isin't it all your doing in someway too? just because you didn't hate him THEN & you hate him NOW, you suddenly decide to delete even innocent posts of his along with the bad ones? that's...(i don't know what to call it actually, i can only lol at it).

banning, IP banning is justifiable. editing, deleting flames is justifiable, suspension is justifiable. but deleting innocent posts is not. justify that please.
not taking any action against GM Jenust for getting involved in flames & acting like a total moron is not justifiable. justify that please.
not taking action against other flamers like "kohaku" is not justifiable. justify that please.

after my suspension is lifted, i will actually tell all those who post in the off-topics to actually back me up on this point & you as well I know they WILL speak against you on this particular topic. thay all agree that deleting innocent posts is a power abuse done by you. you have all rights to delete flames. but not when it doesn't contain flames. justify this please.

@RMS
it's not about bans or ip bans or suspensions. hell i don't give a damn about my suspension. all i care about is reporting the power abuse done by the GMs in fgRO forums, specially the head administrators. and you can all see by their replies here what lame excuses or arguments they are putting up for their actions.

[GoddessMartel]

i don't have a grudge against fgro i wasn't banned or called out by the gm's i am a quite person in fgro people don't even know me that much i am going by what i see the gm's doing in the forums we don't have proof for our arguments they say? all of our proof gets deleted by the gm's i don't have a grudge with fgro i do this with every bad server that i see fgro isn't the only one. if people who read this don't believe me just join the fgro forums and do some looking around you will see exactly what i am talking about unless the gm's already deleted the post that proves our arguments.

[asdfqwerty123]

Forum arguments can get out of control, especially when people continue to reply.  It takes two people to argue, and from the sound of your original post (which is all we have to go on apparently - any real proof supposedly being deleted) it would seem that the person who flamed you would have been the only one in trouble had you not replied.  It would be considered an "attack" rather than a "fight".  It doesn't really matter how good of a reason you have, calling a staff member (anywhere) a "noob" is asking for trouble - no matter how true or false the statement might be in reality.  Considering all of this, the end result is not surprising.  I don't like how the word "abuse" is being used in this situation, it doesn't seem like it was unprovoked or done without reason.

[Slaw]

I agree with Zairik on this one. I took the liberty to register myself on your forums, and I'll be lurking it for a bit. Feel free to link me to some actual proof in any way, but please try to refrain from just throwing accusations toward fgRO onto the RMS forums without any proof to back it up. If this topic continues in the direction it's going, I will lock it. This is my final warning.

Also, a belated "Welcome to the mod team" to Zairik. Not sure how long you've been a mod, but I've been a bit too inactive to notice lately.

[Deux]

Forum arguments can get out of control, especially when people continue to reply.  It takes two people to argue, and from the sound of your original post (which is all we have to go on apparently - any real proof supposedly being deleted) it would seem that the person who flamed you would have been the only one in trouble had you not replied.  It would be considered an "attack" rather than a "fight".  It doesn't really matter how good of a reason you have, calling a staff member (anywhere) a "noob" is asking for trouble - no matter how true or false the statement might be in reality.  Considering all of this, the end result is not surprising.  I don't like how the word "abuse" is being used in this situation, it doesn't seem like it was unprovoked or done without reason.

you have only chosen to comment about my suspension & why i was suspended. that is not the issue here. the kind of actions being taken by GM Infinitum against a flamer by deleting even the non-flame ones & not actually banning him, not banning another possible flamer named "kohaku", and IMMEDIATELY banning me for just 1 "supposedly" flame, is actually qualified to be called as abuse. don't you think this is a totally bias decision? and the next issue is the kind of GMs being kept in GM team who actually involve themselves in flame wars & talk back at members (that too with senseless arguments) is.....sad?

my suspension was never a point here in this thread at all and zairik only commented on MY suspension. he hasn't said a single word regarding other things at all. but anyways, since you already said you're gonna lurk fgRO forums for a while and check it out, that's 90% of my goal achieved. thanks anyways.

[Setsumi]

Sorry for posting so late, but my friend just told me of this thread. Why am I being brought up in this conversation? If you're so eager to know, I'm Kohaku. All Kohaku. And as far as I'm concerned, you have no idea what you're talking about. Get facts straight before spewing out random rumors, cuss words and false evidence at random people you see. It's not always okay to PMS to your content, and even I know that.

First of all, I've been banned. Many times. On many accounts. I was banned for a year on my main account, Kohaku, then I made another account. Afterwards, I was IP banned. My ban was lifted OVER seven or eight months later. I have a high-er warn than most. I also do not have a moderator account. Please keep in mind that I DO joke around a lot. kthx.

Second of all, Zeus was banned for flaming (even worse than I do) and spreading rumors. Want more proof of that? Go back to... let's say... http://www.frozenglade.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=2738&view=findpost&p=150142. There. I believe that you can still see some of Zeus's posts because we quoted them, however, I'm too lazy to check right now. He's spreading rumors, without evidence. Read my post for proof of that that.

Third of all, I don't flame as bad as Zeus. He does things much worse than I do. As I've said many times before, half of my flames are in good humor. And as Estranghera has said, I sometimes have to flame to get things through a person's thick head. Usually they listen if you force it on them. No s***. Zeus needed his posts deleted, and badly. I'm trying to make this as clear as possible, and I'll repeat myself if I have to.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm really not all that bad. All in good humor. And Deux, if you have a problem with me, just PM me on the forums. Don't mention me in places where I don't belong. I don't like to be grouped in the wrong spots, you know? Let's take care of this, and leave the carebear style you're oh-ever-so used to. I'll prove everything you say wrong, just for the hell of it. It'll be fun, I promise. Unless you don't even bother, and leave me out of things like this, which is also fine with me. ~ Kohaku

[lord666]

@Deux

im so lazy to reply.

This is the bottom line..

Players should never flame GMs. coz GMs care about players and forum members. U never know. You said u are new, so did u see how their effort is? Observe better dude.

banning ur account is fair for flaming a Gm. Why in the hell are u flaming a GM anyway?

C'mon dude. u can do better than that.

[Deux]

@lord666
judging by your post i have found out who you really are. you are GM Jenust, aren't you? why exactly are you afraid to reveal yourself here? you know as well as others in fgRO forums know that you are terribly wrong in actually provoking a member to flame you back on your "oh-im-so-great-" kind of posts. accept your fault & apologise instead of criticizing others just to make yourself look good in a bad situation. you're even more pathetic than i previously thought you were. and thanks to "Slaw" for lurking the forums which has actually made you stop being a complete noob as a GM & act stupendously mature for once in a lifetime on the forums.
and thanks to Slaw once again due to which the GMs aren't deleting posts just for the heck of it.

@setsumi/kohaku
so you do accept you are as bad as zeus. incase you haven't noticed my original message has already been delivered to the GMs here. ty anyway. it wasn't about who is getting banned, who isnot, who is a flamer, who is not OR who is who here OR who is been doing what. my point objective was to bring into notice the malpractices being carried on fgRO forums to the moderators here, which i did succeed in doing so. surely even you have improved the way you type your post's now. heh, tell me if i'm wrong.

@slaw & other moderators here
ty for the efforts.

[Zeus]

jesus christ im so famous? rofl. neways

im Zeus, hello everybody.

its true im a flamer. a big 1, a very big 1 on fgro forums. but,
1. only to gms & mods
2. not so big as kohaku, as she has so sweetly told us how much n how many times she has been banned. unlike me, i hv been banned (my main) only once.

i agree with the noob deux here, gms did suspend him for such a small reason compared the foul play me & kohaku do all the time. n yet v roam free ^_^.
i also agree tht gm jenust TRULY is a noob.

apart frm tht, power abuses ARE going on. as deux has already quoted sm of my posts, i can ask say...10 more fgro forum members to quote a lot of other (deleted but saved due to being quoted) posts n shw u tht deleting my flames was fine, but deleting every single 1 of them? lolol well tht is a power abuse jst cuz the mods hate me. *winks at infi & fen*

apart frm all this i want to REPORT this server for:
1. ppl get banned for stuff being done outside the server (forums as well as ingame).
2. on gamesites 200 this server markets tht woe goes on here for 3 days whereas woes happen only twice.

my own brother ingame name "Lord Hiko" used to be GM Inferno smtime back on fgro. since hes my bro we chat on msn. one day we got into a fite (a normal thng for bros) & he banned me on forums as well as ingame. now banning me frm forums was ok since i was trying to reveal his identity to ppl on the forums. but as the server owner has smwhere said tht forum accounts hv nothng to do with ingame accounts. YET he banned my ingame account for no reason at all. i fought, n i was unbanned within 24 hrs coz the gms cudnt prove a s*** on me ingame. and i dnt knw why they also unbanned my forum account as well. (talk abt friendliness).
the forums had a whole thread of 32 pges, on this whole drama & the gms DELETED this thread. y? well i knw y cuz it wud make them n the server look bad but since its only me blabering, who will believe me ryte? (comment removed)
smthng similar has happened to gnubcake aka emiya. i hv chat logs, hes been banned for cussing his frnd (not a frnd now) on msn. we all fought for it, now he was unbanned.
but the dmg has been done. these so called gms (kids basically, none of thm are over 18 or 20) love to abuse their powers just becuz they hate tht person. as far as asking for illegal items ingame is concerned, i was present thr myself so was my brother, no such thng has happened ingame & if those fckers claim it has happened (read rms review abt fgro frm gnubcake), ask thm to post sm solid proof to back their accusations. n thn i can post  whole folder of ingame screenies & cat records to PROVE tht the legit chars of gms themselves DO such thngs n gm fen as well as gm infinitum is involved in it (gm miri too).

@mods here
u hvent been in fgro long enuf to actually notice the kind & degree of drama tht goes on in the forums as well as ingame. i recently quit but i was here for 1 year n i knw all tht goes on in the gm circles as well as the rumors abt all the gms legit chars being in 1 guild with all kind of s*** is also true.
they all r in 1 guild which was eternals b4 and incarnations now.

neways i dnt expect any reaction frm u guys, but i felt like reporting wht i knw AND to see how famous i actually hv becm just for flaming gms. haha. as far as my friendliness is concerned, i can ask tons of people to start registering here n post how good i actually am to others or any1 for tht matter.
the kind of flames kohaku does ALL THE TIME which she/he so nicely says is all in good humor? maybe 1 day u can cm in the forums for more than 5 mins, THEN i can pm u to visit a whole lot of thread rite frm september 2006 to september 2007 to actually make u see how good her humor really is. then v shall see who is a more bad donkey flamer. me or her. ciao.

P.S: i actually wasted my 20 mins break to type this s***. meh <.< back to work

[asdfqwerty123]

Scryed = Fen = Alan

Zairik = White Scythe = Erik

I'm not fen, stop telling people that.  I'm Zairik.  We're not the same person.  I'm not involved in this situation in any way, shape, or form.  In any case, this isn't something that can be labeled "abuse".  There seems to be a reason for this, even if people may think it's not fair, it's still not "abuse".  Abuse would be muting people for the fun of it or banning people because you have a personal grudge or giving specific people advantages over other players.  No one feels sorry for you because you replied to a flame and got yourself in trouble.

[Zeus]

Scryed = Fen = Alan

Zairik = White Scythe = Erik

I'm not fen, stop telling people that.  I'm Zairik.  We're not the same person.  I'm not involved in this situation in any way, shape, or form.  In any case, this isn't something that can be labeled "abuse".  There seems to be a reason for this, even if people may think it's not fair, it's still not "abuse".  Abuse would be muting people for the fun of it or banning people because you have a personal grudge or giving specific people advantages over other players.  No one feels sorry for you because you replied to a flame and got yourself in trouble.

u just explained the whole f*** point this dumb Deux has been trying to explain the ppl here. thnx kid.
bannung ppl over reasons regarding a MSN chat, deleting (innocent) posts of a person (me) just becuz 90% of the time i flame (for good reasons) n the mods hate me DOES cm under ABUSE man. go n lookup the dictionary frm which u quoed the very definition of the word ABUSE to me here.
or shud i cm n personally make u learn english?

secondly,
fen n u hv the same avtar, u both got the word scythe in ur internet names, u already knw the real name of tht f***, u already post on the fgro reviews under the name of "server owner" do U got any proof to tell ME tht ur not him or even related to him? i dnt thnk so. so go n suck up to sm1 else kid. i dnt get fooled by cheap internet words here.

thirdly i dnt knw y the hell u only choose to comment on bans n s*** n never  actually post smthng worthwhile to read upon or even sm teeny weeny proof to defend or atleast back-up ur lame excuses FOR fgro. geez whoever made u the global mod here, psshh. how old r u neways? huh?

 Do not flame. Especially not staff members.

[Setsumi]

Zeus, sorry to steal all of your "glory" of your post, but I could barely read it. And yet you spit back at Zairik to go read the dictionary. Seriously. What a hypocrite. Go learn how to spell you and thanks before you point fingers. So many flaws... so many things to reply back at...

Deux, I never said that I was as bad as Zeus. Half of the time I'm joking. Half of the time I'm not. I may "flame" in some cases, but I don't spread false rumors. And if I do say something, I always support myself with evidence. Know what that is? No, obviously you don't. That's when you provide a screenshot, video, ect to help you in the situation that you're in and to prove that what you're saying is correct. Wow, amazing. Learn how to do it someday. Really. It might made your IQ go back up by 1%... though I'm unsure if anything else can be done in that matter to raise it more. And Zeus, if you have screenshots and chatlogs, gladly post them up. "hay i have ss's of infi giving me haxed itanz yeah i do". Guess what? I can say things too. Doesn't mean that they're true, namely because I don't have anything to back up my accusation.

Zeus, forums and in-game are somewhat related. The only thing I didn't agree with Fen about was how he banned from over MSN. If a GM feels threatened, they SHOULD ban, depending on how serious it is. I've actually changed my mind about Emiya's case, seeing as how Emiya was constantly harassing an in-game GM for items and such. Now, back to what I was saying. In-game and forums are still based upon the same server, and if someone can get out of control in the forums, it's highly likely that they'll break the rules in-game too. Don't whine if you get banned, you did something to deserve it. In this case, Zeus got punished by deleted posts which he spends so much precious time on (see how hyped up he was on getting 8k posts. Pathetic.) and a ban. If you don't play, why even care about in-game events in the first place? About Emiya, he was ALSO unbanned. Confusions do happen, and GMs do get pissed.

Stop bringing me up. I've been banned before. I've been warned before. But now, I don't need to be warned. To all of the people joining fgRO or new to fgRO: why support some little flaming, whining idiots about server corruption when they don't have evidence? Zeus doesn't even play. Deux flamed a GM. They're just angry because of their "unfair" bans, which is like an 11 year old complaining that he was banned for botting because he let his 2 year old brother play RO for a while.

In short: I pity your poor, incompetent, irrational, illogical, dumbed-to-the-core brain.

 I'm sure you've heard this before, but please try to avoid personal insults.

[scryed]

Scryed = Fen = Alan

Zairik = White Scythe = Erik

I'm not fen, stop telling people that.  I'm Zairik.  We're not the same person.  I'm not involved in this situation in any way, shape, or form.  In any case, this isn't something that can be labeled "abuse".  There seems to be a reason for this, even if people may think it's not fair, it's still not "abuse".  Abuse would be muting people for the fun of it or banning people because you have a personal grudge or giving specific people advantages over other players.  No one feels sorry for you because you replied to a flame and got yourself in trouble.

u just explained the whole f*** point this dumb Deux has been trying to explain the ppl here. thnx kid.
bannung ppl over reasons regarding a MSN chat, deleting (innocent) posts of a person (me) just becuz 90% of the time i flame (for good reasons) n the mods hate me DOES cm under ABUSE man. go n lookup the dictionary frm which u quoed the very definition of the word ABUSE to me here.
or shud i cm n personally make u learn english?

secondly,
fen n u hv the same avtar, u both got the word scythe in ur internet names, u already knw the real name of tht f***, u already post on the fgro reviews under the name of "server owner" do U got any proof to tell ME tht ur not him or even related to him? i dnt thnk so. so go n suck up to sm1 else kid. i dnt get fooled by cheap internet words here.

thirdly i dnt knw y the hell u only choose to comment on bans n s*** n never  actually post smthng worthwhile to read upon or even sm teeny weeny proof to defend or atleast back-up ur lame excuses FOR fgro. geez whoever made u the global mod here, psshh. how old r u neways? huh?

 Do not flame. Especially not staff members.

Same avatar?Same person? Do you have ANY proof to back up your statements? None whatsoever. This is why whatever you say is not credible at all. Any mod on RMS can tell we are two completely different people.