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Title: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: roin2k19 on Apr 30, 2019, 02:11 PM
After playing on smRO for a few months I got turned off by the huge amount of MVP cards being distributed. Several players quit after the dumb exchange card album event. After writing my review the admin of smRO told me to join novaRO and what can I say... I followed the advice and it was a very good decision.

I was a bit sceptical starting on novaRO because of the influx of bad reviews on their review site many scoring overall below average but when I joined the server I really couldn't understand why...

Stability/Availability: 10/10

The server has crashed once in the 1-2 Weeks I've been playing and that was after a huge maintenance. Compared to that... smRO was crashing almost daily while I was still playing and people got compensated with unfair higher rates which just led to even more MVP cards being dropped. It's ridiculous.
My ping is very stable around 40 in novaRO, very smooth gameplay. I came back to RO this year after a 5 year break, back in the day crashing wasn't very rare and I thought it was still normal for servers to crash that frequently but being on novaRO now I think that smRO is just very behind in that aspect. There are also waaaaaaaaaaaaaay less bugs in novaRO, it seems smRO blindly copies rathena database and does not have kRO access to test things themselves.

Community:
8/10
It's obvious that there are a lot more players in novaRO than on my old server. There are roughly 2.2k people online(with vendors) and it's very easy to find leveling parties. Grandpa quest encourages party play to level and I really enjoyed being able to see other players on the map while I was farming for archer skeleton cards. Seeing others on fields happened very rarely in smRO but then again it only has a population of 400 of which roughly only 30% are actual players. NovaRO players are also very active on the support channel helping newbies when needed. The only issue I had was finding players for lower level instances like charleston because I wanted to get excellion, aside from that I'm very pleased though therefore the 8/10

Game Masters:
7/10

The Event GMs seem to be very active, there are GM hosted events like dodge bombporing and poring finder almost daily, and the GMs seem to enjoy hosting those, I really like GM Scout she's very kind :). What I didn't like so much is that for support questions, which cannot be solved by players, people are always referred to use discord to get in touch with the GMs... though once you PM there you get quite a quick reponse so it kinda works out in the end therefore 7/10

Game-play

This is where the biggest differences are:

Economy wise the server seems to be quite stable and the prices of lower end items like elven bow are very low so I could get one of these almost instantly after turning into a ranger. The cash shop is almost 90% the same as smRO and since novaRO is older I guess smRO took some "inspiration" from there and copied novaRO. Unfortunately, it seems to be quite hard to play for cash shop items yourself but there are active sellers almost 24/7 selling Nova Points at roughly 4.8m for 1000 points, it took me roughly an hour to get 18m by farming geffenia so it's not impossible but definitely harder. But honestly, the enriched materials dropped by the very custom world bosses in smRO aren't dropping sufficent materials either so in the end it's pretty much the same and not ideal on either side.  7/10

Guild competition:
That doesnt exist in smRO: pvp is non existent mostly due to the low population I think. In novaRO i played bg last night with 30 other players though I am still pretty undergeared and can't provide much use for my team  /wah 9/10

Class Balance:
6.5/10
I'm a ranger main and ranger is really strong here I think. I see issues with magic classes and people are complaining about these, which is... justified. There are no mdef pierce shadow sets or iRO accessories to help them and since most of the content has high mdef I feel magic classes are very lacking right now. Guild members told me that there is planning for some monster hunter franchise event where those will be available in 1-2 months. So I will use my ranger for PvM for now.

Overall I am pretty satisfied right now and I thank Lunar for referring me to this amazing server.

Final words:
As I mentioned before, at first I was sceptical about joining novaRO because of all the negative reviews but I think the problem lies within RMS not controlling obvious hater reviews. At the moment reviews do not exist to rate servers but to actually damage them and spreading lies as seen in this very example.

One last thing I want to bring up is that as mentioned by the last smRO review, the youtuber munbalance being on smRO seems to be a big issue and eyesore to many players as he controls the administration(the admin seems to be one of his twitch mods) and likes to break the market by suggesting events. He is aware of this fact and his status and enjoys abusing it:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223457847571251211/572847778124922889/unknown.png

He seems to be the reason the server has been going down hill for the past few weeks/months

As written by other ex players there is a referral system and this guy gets 10% of all donations being made through his youtube link which is so unfair. It's borderline corruption and gives him such a huge advantage over other players

Overall I'm just happy I left this sinking ship and found a new home.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Lunar@SM on May 01, 2019, 11:50 AM
He said there was an event like that, yes. So we checked and confirmed it existed and made it based on how it exists in kRO. Every 3 months for 1 week.
The referral system has been out nearly a year before Munbalance even joined, with the only difference that he's the first person really using it.

Meaning he makes videos, advertises the server and people register through his referral link. The Referee gets rewards and the person referring.
Exists everywhere in the world aswell as in several other RO servers.

Instead of being jealous, how about you put them actual work into playing yourself?

So, now to the rest.
The crash causes were all resolved and it hasn't crashed in nearly a week now.

Anyway, good luck in NovaRO.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 12:52 PM
This is looking more like a rant over Shining Moon, over exaggerated to Nova RO's side, or you just played it for a really small time.

Stability/availability:
NovaRO was way better than SM in Helheim launch, but Shining Moon is right there as the stability got way better after the world gate stuff was removed, I saw the server crashing in a few occasions after that.

Community:
Shining Moon is way way better imo, the party loot system make you be able to invite people in party for anything, kill count without being in screen is a nice QoL too, less leveling parties but because of the rate, but for everything else you can make parties, in Nova what party you'll see besides gramps and bio5(not sure about this one, as new content is illusion dungeons and people will need to solo it)?
I used to see a few Charlestons and that rare ET/EC party besides that, but that's it. I disagree in the population, SM has way less merchants/active players than Nova.

Game Masters:
The event GMs are almost bots that only run a command to start a pre made event, this is because they're players so they lack a personality in the GM account, as they talk in Discords too and etc with their player account, GM Scout is new from the time I used to play I suppose, there was a GM Pancakes before that was the best GM imo(comparing both servers), both servers do a way of splitting GMs from administration so these GMs have less power what is how it should be, and they all give support, so can't really say much about this, but in SM they look more "free", still being GMs tho.

Gameplay:
I agree that this is where the biggest differences are, in Nova when a new content comes the economy f*cks itself, I remember +15 BxB from 1~1.3b dropping quickly to 700m when BIO5 came(I wonder if the Event GMs have the info of when new content will be added), this doesn't happen in SM as there's more gears to pick from and it's easier to refine, that kind of price drop is nothing for someone who sell stuff from cash shop for zeny, but for free to play players it is a lot.
Refinement in NovaRO is way way way more unrewarding and unsatisfying, you only have that "Old Enriched" oridecon and elunium that is in SM and the main source for that being the cash shop, BSB will come only in Q2(and believe in me, but FAW too) and who knows the sacrifice that will be to get one. Also the materials drop from Lucky3 and other ways in Shining Moon, and by the price it's way easier to refine.

Guild competition:
Yes SM pvp/woe is still growing for now, there's some plans for it in the Discord channel but I didn't see anything new, but in Nova, you played bg, WoE consists in 1~2 guilds - I believe there's a new third one -  killing themselves and some newbies, because they give costume rewards for participating, the newbies or PVM players go there for the rewards, camp entrance and become memes in the WoE community, very very competitive, also check in forums to see how the same dominant guild can pass stupid suggestions and reject others.

Class balance:
Now with sharp shooting buffed I believe, you'll only play ranger, there's no gear for x build, no gear for y build, no gear for anything, just the most OP build for that content update can be played because simply anything else is way way weaker, when I was playing it was just doram, people used to do LFMs like: Recruiting Cat for bio5, now it'll be only sharp shooting ranger. Do you want to play Warlock? Forget it, Sharp Shooting! Oh you want to play PVM SC? Are you crazy? Sharp Shooting! Today, tomorrow and in the another day too  /ok

Basically you'll only see the problems with that server when you reach the end game, poor refine system, a very small amount of gears to pick from, that completely kills the game class balance, delayed updates, removal of some kRO cash shop gears, which creates a balance that doesn't really reflect kRO and we go on, oh there's also some items being edited to be nerfed, almost forgot that. I have nothing against your review, it's just a critique(as allowed in this forum, I talked about multiple points, but it's not another review lul), I'd love to see a review after you get to the end game.

Mun suggested a event that is in kRO and we got it, what happens is that in the first days people that already had tons of card used them all and we got more MvP cards there, the event implementation was really close to when it was approved and it will happen from a certain period to another(as it is in kRO), even if it were approved because Mun is Mun, what isn't the case, it would s*** but this but I'd still prefer that than the favoritism of older players and the dominant WoE guild.

tl;dr From the "sinking ship" to the sinked ship, wait for the end game

But yes, good luck in Nova, enjoy your stay! Best hopes for your future sharp shooting ranger pew pew pew.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: ivianna98 on May 01, 2019, 03:35 PM
Finally someone said it.
It thought I would finally have a slower pace SM but I'm sitting here waiting for something to do, there's no challenge whatsoever on this server, how is it different from Nif on this department, aside from being "locked to kRO"? At least there I can really experiment and have real fun

Server crashed so much compensation poring became a meme and sure, it's better now but still bad. Lunar addresses it quickly, but it's f annoying when it happens.
Pvp/Woe/BG does not exist and who knows how much time it will take to get it done, Lunar is hardworking, but he's a one-man-show running this server.

Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 12:52 PM
Class balance:
Now with sharp shooting buffed I believe, you'll only play ranger, there's no gear for x build, no gear for y build, no gear for anything, just the most OP build for that content update can be played because simply anything else is way way weaker, when I was playing it was just doram, people used to do LFMs like: Recruiting Cat for bio5, now it'll be only sharp shooting ranger. Do you want to play Warlock? Forget it, Sharp Shooting! Oh you want to play PVM SC? Are you crazy? Sharp Shooting! Today, tomorrow and in the another day too  /ok
Idk how it is there, but how it is any different than reaper is now?

I joined Hel primarily to see what does kRO really looks like and why some many people have a fetish for it, while bashing things like jRO gears and such, still can't understand why as it is just as unbalanced.

Every class can solo everything and you just take 12 man parties for people to follow you like bots and get free rewards from doing nothing due to party share

This "kRO everything, not kRO? BAD!" seems to be a gimmick, so don't talk about balance when it is not, at all

Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 12:52 PM

even if it were approved because Mun is Mun, what isn't the case, it would s*** but this but I'd still prefer that than the favoritism of older players and the dominant WoE guild.
the whole server was his idea, the card event thing is but a drop in the bucket, Hel would've never happened if munbalance hasn't come to SM
Might as well call it munbalance ro and how is that different from 'favoritism'?

Maybe its just not for me but idk, SM seemed to be a way better place before Hel happened tbh
Imma keep my SM interaction to Nif only and hope for the best, thanks for the work Lunar, don't forget that we exist too  /sob
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ara on May 01, 2019, 03:59 PM
Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 12:52 PM
This is looking more like a rant over Shining Moon, over exaggerated to Nova RO's side, or you just played it for a really small time.
I mean.... both servers are clearly named in the topic name. I don't see why they can't vent their frustrations about SMRO in here, considering how much NovaRO seems to be mentioned in SMRO's review section. Those aren't taken down, don't see why it's a problem here. You can see even Lunar's reply on (what I'm assuming is) this guy's review in the normal review section, he's trying to throw shade on NovaRO.
Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 12:52 PM
Stability/availability:
NovaRO was way better than SM in Helheim launch, but Shining Moon is right there as the stability got way better after the world gate stuff was removed, I saw the server crashing in a few occasions after that.
Seems to still be crashing once or twice a week. Though Nova crashed (I think?) once or twice right after the last big patch. It's usually right after maints though, so it's not really too big of a deal.
Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 12:52 PM
Community:
Shining Moon is way way better imo, the party loot system make you be able to invite people in party for anything, kill count without being in screen is a nice QoL too, less leveling parties but because of the rate, but for everything else you can make parties, in Nova what party you'll see besides gramps and bio5(not sure about this one, as new content is illusion dungeons and people will need to solo it)?
I used to see a few Charlestons and that rare ET/EC party besides that, but that's it. I disagree in the population, SM has way less merchants/active players than Nova.
I guess if you made your review like, 2 weeks ago. Magma3 and Abyss Glast Heim parties are pretty big, bio5's still large parties, Charleston, Demon God, probably a couple more I forgot. I'd say a lot of parties are made inside guilds or on discord, and I dunno how well you can quantify and compare that between the servers.

I personally like being able to solo stuff, so I dunno. I don't play on SM so I can't say if it's viable or not to solo on there, but it seems like a drag if you can't farm without having a party.

Neither server posts their vending list, so who really knows how many people are vendors. I mean you're not wrong that SM has way less merchants and active players than Nova though? That was pretty obvious?

Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 12:52 PM
Game Masters:
The event GMs are almost bots that only run a command to start a pre made event, this is because they're players so they lack a personality in the GM account, as they talk in Discords too and etc with their player account, GM Scout is new from the time I used to play I suppose, there was a GM Pancakes before that was the best GM imo(comparing both servers), both servers do a way of splitting GMs from administration so these GMs have less power what is how it should be, and they all give support, so can't really say much about this, but in SM they look more "free", still being GMs tho.

I don't really get why GMs have to have a personality. I guess event GMs make events better by interacting with the community. Support GMs are mainly there to answer questions, I don't see why they're required to have a personality outside of accurately answering questions. Looks more professional, too.
Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 12:52 PM
Gameplay:
I agree that this is where the biggest differences are, in Nova when a new content comes the economy f*cks itself, I remember +15 BxB from 1~1.3b dropping quickly to 700m when BIO5 came(I wonder if the Event GMs have the info of when new content will be added), this doesn't happen in SM as there's more gears to pick from and it's easier to refine, that kind of price drop is nothing for someone who sell stuff from cash shop for zeny, but for free to play players it is a lot.
Refinement in NovaRO is way way way more unrewarding and unsatisfying, you only have that "Old Enriched" oridecon and elunium that is in SM and the main source for that being the cash shop, BSB will come only in Q2(and believe in me, but FAW too) and who knows the sacrifice that will be to get one. Also the materials drop from Lucky3 and other ways in Shining Moon, and by the price it's way easier to refine.
Hey here's something. Everyone knew when bio5 was going to come out. It was announced like... 2 weeks before the dungeon dropped. You could ask whether GMs in ShiningMoon knows about future updates too. It's not a surprise that something being farmed more (and the build being less good) would make equipment cheaper.

Isn't Lucky3 the thing you get from the compensation poring from when the server crashes.
Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 12:52 PM
Guild competition:
Yes SM pvp/woe is still growing for now, there's some plans for it in the Discord channel but I didn't see anything new, but in Nova, you played bg, WoE consists in 1~2 guilds - I believe there's a new third one -  killing themselves and some newbies, because they give costume rewards for participating, the newbies or PVM players go there for the rewards, camp entrance and become memes in the WoE community, very very competitive, also check in forums to see how the same dominant guild can pass stupid suggestions and reject others.
Our WoE stats page doesn't show players that are in a guild with less than 12 (I think? or maybe was it 10) people. Last week there was 126, the week before that there was 138. Anyway that's at like almost half of SM's total online population counting vendors, and enough for at least 4-5 guilds.

And as a reminder, you were pushing a suggestion in the forums that had very little support, providing wildly inaccurate information, and even clashing ideas within the suggestion itself. While being completely confident. People can only read so much of that kind of stuff. I assume you then saw the #pvp-discussions channel or whatever in the ShiningMoon discord, and dropped the suggestion altogether. So much for 10+ people who supported it I guess?

How's that coming along?

Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 12:52 PM
Class balance:
Now with sharp shooting buffed I believe, you'll only play ranger, there's no gear for x build, no gear for y build, no gear for anything, just the most OP build for that content update can be played because simply anything else is way way weaker, when I was playing it was just doram, people used to do LFMs like: Recruiting Cat for bio5, now it'll be only sharp shooting ranger. Do you want to play Warlock? Forget it, Sharp Shooting! Oh you want to play PVM SC? Are you crazy? Sharp Shooting! Today, tomorrow and in the another day too
...meta slave?
I hear people are doing pretty well with Raid on shadow chaser. Warlocks are even pretty well with the new Tetra Vortex thing, though not in Bio5. Just like a solo Sharpshooting Ranger probably would not do very good in Horror Toy Factory. Go figure, different strengths for different classes.
Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 12:52 PM
Basically you'll only see the problems with that server when you reach the end game, poor refine system, a very small amount of gears to pick from, that completely kills the game class balance, delayed updates, removal of some kRO cash shop gears, which creates a balance that doesn't really reflect kRO and we go on, oh there's also some items being edited to be nerfed, almost forgot that. I have nothing against your review, it's just a critique(as allowed in this forum, I talked about multiple points, but it's not another review lul), I'd love to see a review after you get to the end game.
I don't see how critique makes it not a review. I mean again... have you even seen ShiningMoon's RMS section?

Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 12:52 PM
Mun suggested a event that is in kRO and we got it, what happens is that in the first days people that already had tons of card used them all and we got more MvP cards there, the event implementation was really close to when it was approved and it will happen from a certain period to another(as it is in kRO), even if it were approved because Mun is Mun, what isn't the case, it would s*** but this but I'd still prefer that than the favoritism of older players and the dominant WoE guild.
Hey, I wonder if Munbalance knew about the card event before it came out for the rest of the playerbase. On April Fools Day. Where I'm sure plenty of players assumed it was a joke. I'm no expert on finding this stuff, but I've never been able to find any evidence that it was a real kRO event. Or how Lunar managed to get the rates. Rates, that I hear were pretty iffy. I guess I'll just take your word for it, instead of being like all the people asking for proof every time NovaRO fixes a bug.


I'm sure ShiningMoon has it's own strengths. Your post didn't really do much to highlight them, though.
/no1
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ariasqt on May 01, 2019, 04:01 PM
Well, Munbalance getting hundreds of thousands of free CP, finally is able to get MVP cards without having to farm and has an admin following his server breaking advice. I guess I understand now why he enjoys smRO so much  /...

I actually checked smROs discord for server crashes and uh you guys claim you have stability and that it got better but there were 2 crashes on Friday and Sunday. How bad was it before if this is "better"?

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491283395356393493/573220490668146689/unknown.png)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491283395356393493/573221330166743052/unknown.png)

Congrats on the 4-day milestone I guess? Servers 10 years ago did better :/

And not taking care of that "Niflheim" server since Munbalance joined the other one(as mentioned by ivianna98) just shows how much you actually favor him over your other player base, yikes.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 04:59 PM
Quote from: Ara on May 01, 2019, 03:59 PM
I mean you're not wrong that SM has way less merchants and active players than Nova though? That was pretty obvious?
/no1

I meant merchants per active player.

Quote from: Ara on May 01, 2019, 03:59 PM
Seems to still be crashing once or twice a week. Though Nova crashed (I think?) once or twice right after the last big patch. It's usually right after maints though, so it's not really too big of a deal.
A few occasions as I said, and they are fixed in a really faster speed now, the server constantly adds content so it has some small moments down, we're comparing a server doing constants updates and some fixes to a server who just did the patch for lv185.

Quote from: Ara on May 01, 2019, 03:59 PM
I personally like being able to solo stuff, so I dunno. I don't play on SM so I can't say if it's viable or not to solo on there, but it seems like a drag if you can't farm without having a party.

Yes you can farm without a party, people just opt for it as you get more rewards for doing party play, what makes it more fun, in NovaRO I always felt forced to do content solo, because instances give the same low income so if I bring a friend I'd lose part of it. I know people doing Sky Fort/GMT times and times a day, ofc people can do that in SM, but they're not doing it because of lack of alternatives.

Quote from: Ara on May 01, 2019, 03:59 PM
Our WoE stats page doesn't show players that are in a guild with less than 12 (I think? or maybe was it 10) people. Last week there was 126, the week before that there was 138. Anyway that's at like almost half of SM's total online population counting vendors, and enough for at least 4-5 guilds.

And as a reminder, you were pushing a suggestion in the forums that had very little support, providing wildly inaccurate information, and even clashing ideas within the suggestion itself. While being completely confident. People can only read so much of that kind of stuff. I assume you then saw the #pvp-discussions channel or whatever in the ShiningMoon discord, and dropped the suggestion altogether. So much for 10+ people who supported it I guess?

How's that coming along?

I don't mind the suggestion being not accept or anything, that's why suggestions are for, and you have such a detailed information about WoE player quantity for a normal player, that's nice! Okay GM Juno, the suggestion mostly got the feedback of the dominant guild members, which you're part of, this includes memeing and trolling over someone's suggestion, nobody felt comfortable to post after that and we even had to report some offensive statements(they got edited).

Quote from: Ara on May 01, 2019, 03:59 PM
I hear people are doing pretty well with Raid on shadow chaser. Warlocks are even pretty well with the new Tetra Vortex thing, though not in Bio5. Just like a solo Sharpshooting Ranger probably would not do very good in Horror Toy Factory. Go figure, different strengths for different classes.

Yes meme builds are good, in old content, in the newest content there's always one or two classes only that work, it's not being "different strengths for different classes.", it's one class killing everything except one or two things for a limiting factor and everything else being excluded from that new content. Also someone told me that even bio5 is down now due to low prices.

The way you always post on the forums is so biased that I wonder if you want everybody to know you're a GM  /heh

Quote from: ivianna98 on May 01, 2019, 03:35 PM
Idk how it is there, but how it is any different than reaper is now?

Reaper is a strong class rn, but other classes aren't excluded from playing, as what happened with Dorams when I played, in Hel or in Nif, we have gear to put in our characters.

Quote from: ivianna98 on May 01, 2019, 03:35 PM
Every class can solo everything and you just take 12 man parties for people to follow you like bots and get free rewards from doing nothing due to party share

The party loot system tracks if the player is helping or no, so there's no free rewards, though I agree it should be more strict sometimes.


I'm not going to keep posting(this forum only allows critiques and everyone have their opinions anyways), so just wanted to share my cents of truth for people who read the review  /kis
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ara on May 01, 2019, 06:02 PM
Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 04:59 PM
I don't mind the suggestion being not accept or anything, that's why suggestions are for, and you have such a detailed information about WoE player quantity for a normal player, that's nice! Okay GM Juno, the suggestion mostly got the feedback of the dominant guild members, which you're part of, this includes memeing and trolling over someone's suggestion, nobody felt comfortable to post after that and we even had to report some offensive statements(they got edited).
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267155342633336832/573256896434405426/unknown.png)
Number of participants (in a large enough guild) is tracked on the website. I guess I get to be GM Juno now? Like I said, inaccurate statements presented with absolute confidence.

I don't see what's wrong with a larger group of players trying to stop suggestions they don't like. Y'know, some of them even tried to make suggested changes that would've helped you out. Don't think there's anything different from what they were doing on that thread, and what you're trying to do on this thread. It's not like they always get their way either. If I had things the way I wanted, that other PvP ranking/titles suggestion would've never made it through.

For anyone new to this conversation, here's (http://www.novaragnarok.com/forum/topic/10523-gear-discussion-for-the-normalized-gear-woe/) the forum thread in question.

Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 04:59 PM
Yes meme builds are good, in old content, in the newest content there's always one or two classes only that work
I guess I'll rephrase it then.

I hear people are doing pretty well with Raid on shadow chaser in Abyss Glast Heim, solo-farming. Warlocks are even pretty well with the new Tetra Vortex thing, though not in Bio5. They're pretty good in magma3 though. Some Star Emperor joined our magma3 party last week when we had a spare slot, and went off to go farm his own thing on the map too. They're good in bio3 too! If you managed to do bio5 in ShiningMoon with autospell Shadow Chaser, good for you I guess.

Quote from: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 04:59 PM
The way you always post on the forums is so biased that I wonder if you want everybody to know you're a GM
As if any of you guys are any less biased. At least I'm not blatantly trying to discredit other people without providing proof. You wanna talk about how half of the SM RO reviews in the forums read like paid advertisements? Wayyy more biased looking than anything I post. 8s and 9s in server stability/availability? Please.

Also like, mostly I was farming post count so I could use a profile picture, but I didn't wanna like, make it obvious that I just wanted post count. Gotta say something in them, y'know?


Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: literalwho on May 01, 2019, 06:31 PM
Quote from: roin2k19 on Apr 30, 2019, 02:11 PM
At the moment reviews do not exist to rate servers but to actually damage them and spreading lies as seen in this very example.
I only now realized that you called your own post "this very example" and my mind was blown, this post by itself might be the Citizen Kane of RMS s*** posts.

Usually I'd let the big brain individuals find out this extravagant puzzle by themselves, but unfortunately this is the holy ground of NovaRO and Shining Moon posters, meaning that the average poster (me not included, of course) will have a hard time spotting this between their desperate attempts to balance out their drooling-to-breathing ratio, and as such, require some help on this fantastic brain twizzler.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Naruto on May 01, 2019, 07:03 PM
You could be playing on iRo with rates as high as what? 3x ? 4x?

/x
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: roin2k19 on May 01, 2019, 08:35 PM
Quote from: Ariasqt on May 01, 2019, 04:01 PM
Well, Munbalance getting hundreds of thousands of free CP

I actually checked smROs discord for server crashes and uh you guys claim you have stability and that it got better but there were 2 crashes on Friday and Sunday. How bad was it before if this is "better"?

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491283395356393493/573220490668146689/unknown.png)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491283395356393493/573221330166743052/unknown.png)

Congrats on the 4-day milestone I guess? Servers 10 years ago did better :/

And not taking care of that "Niflheim" server since Munbalance joined the other one(as mentioned by ivianna98) just shows how much you actually favor him over your other player base, yikes.

Munbalance gets infinite of CP from gms and admins he even mocks other people who do not have zeny

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491283395356393493/573247462160990218/unknown.png)

Context:Lunar nerfed thanatos tower for zeny and many complained that it's too hard to get zeny now. Munbalance mocks the players by saying it's easy to get zeny just need to sell his (infinite) CP. Lunar really became his puppy now and only listens to his owner... that's why Niflheim also gets neglected now like the other smRO player said..

Before crashes happened daily several times now it was every day or second day... still very bad

Quote from: Ara on May 01, 2019, 06:02 PM

[/sub]
For anyone new to this conversation, here's (http://www.novaragnarok.com/forum/topic/10523-gear-discussion-for-the-normalized-gear-woe/) the forum thread in question.
I guess I'll rephrase it then.

I didn't know who cyanish was haha! So, he suggested a PvP event in novaRO where players would all have the same equipment, didn't think it through and only very few people were interested in it? No support from the veterans of the server, so instead he went on a server without any PvP instead? Why.. cyanish shouldn't say pvp is still growing in smRO it's really non existent. He's implying pvp exists at all there it's a lie...
However, in novaRO i played bg with 40 other players today, so much cooler and so many more active players here  /lv
Right now I'm still very satisfied with novaRO... but I might swap to Rebel class so much more damage than my ranger  /sob

Now everyone crashing again lol

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491283395356393493/573306077798465537/unknown.png)

Availability/Stability -1 on smRO...
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: cyanish on May 01, 2019, 09:42 PM
Quote from: roin2k19 on May 01, 2019, 08:35 PM
in novaRO i played bg with 40 other players today

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/Rond7I17hEGty/giphy.gif)

Okay, I'm out.

If you check all reviews and everything said you'll notice that the main issue with them towards NovaRO is the end game(that I talked about in gameplay in my first reply) so it's no surprise being satisfied when starting, and I don't know in which reality you played NovaRO bg with a new player ranger gear(and with this amount of people lmao), when the few people who plays bg includes veterans that literally destroy newbies that do, I mean, any skill of a veteran, that doesn't even need a mvp card can kill a newbie with one hit, this includes AoE skills, there's a big gap regarding equipment as refinements use the pre renewal system, so newbies are forced to play with support classes(newbies with some good zeny still, I couldn't buy decent DPS gear for that with around 2b), sorry but for me it just looks like you're really trying hard to make it looks like you didn't do a bad decision, but I may be wrong, in that case I wish you luck in your new server and keep having fun there, also in your new rebel

Quote from: roin2k19 on May 01, 2019, 08:35 PM
Munbalance gets infinite of CP from gms and admins he even mocks other people who do not have zeny

Is it so hard to understand how a basic referral system works lmao, well, enjoy your stay in NovaRO
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: hexonie on May 01, 2019, 11:24 PM
Dude joins Nova RO and is satisfied. Let me tell you something sweet price, I joined Nova RO and was pretty happy and satisfied because my last server before that was iRO. To be really honest Nova RO made me realize why private servers exist in the first place. But the endgame on NovaRO is so annoying that you will enjoy it only if you don't have a life and like to do repetitive things. You just seen the cream of the crop in Nova so far. Also it's funny how you mention the bugs in Shining Moon but aren't aware of a bug existing since 2017 that the "big oof" after your first post has been abusing to farm bio5. Meanwhile that bug isn't even a thing on Shining Moon. There are countless other bugs that exist in Nova that are fixed on Shining Moon.

I feel you were just butt hurt by Lunars comment on your review and wanted to drag down the server. For people who know what NovaRO really is, sadly your tactic will backfire on you. For those who want to play it, go ahead and do so just don't make the mistake of donating like I did - You will regret it.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: fluffrierre on May 01, 2019, 11:50 PM
So basically, you got salty that you didn't get anything from an actual kRO event was implemented in a kRO-based server, so you left a review on the server page absolutely spilling this industrial-grade salt, got told to buzz off by Lunar and actually was salty enough to write a review for a new server s*** on the old one while you're not even far enough into the server to see the problem people complain about, even went as far as making s*** up in an attempt to make your argument believable.
Dude, you need to get laid lulmao.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Min on May 01, 2019, 11:54 PM
People are allowed to have different preference in servers. if you like NovaRO more than SM that's fine.
That's the glory of private servers, people can look for exactly what they want.

helheim had a rough launch that's obvious but almost every private server does. Even NovaRO had times where it crashed every nighty. Server's grow and as long as stuff is actively getting fixed, I'm alright with it being a bit rough around the edges. But obviously that isn't for everyone and if you want a more polished server I'd highly suggest against joining any server on day, week or even month 1.

As for my referral status, yeah I do benefit a lot from the amount of players I bring to the server. Technically I could do this in any server that has a referral system. I'm in a very unique spot and I'm very lucky for my following. This isn't free though, this is something I've built up over years of growing my youtube and twitch channels and it's honestly a bit upsetting that people are this jealous about it, considering that most of what I get is used to get more stuff to show off and make more videos.

Same thing happens when a guild leader refers all his guildmates to a server and is rewarded for doing so. The server benefits from getting a large influx of players except in this case its not 15-30 people its 1800+
That's not free, the guild leader earned the rewards by keeping an organized group of people together and this has a direct benefit on the server.

(https://i.imgur.com/9MhKXLN.png)

as for a lot of the out of context discord screenshots, keep in mind a lot of these are out of context and satirical in nature, people make jokes? on the internet!?

I don't see why everyone disliked the card event so much, as it stands plenty of players were getting MVPS at a fast rate from bloody branches, without the event cards like tao would still be rare, mind you but the price compared to non BB mvps like gioia would be absurd.

Official servers have stopped treating these cards sacred for a long time and I think as a server that claims to emulate kRO we should do the same. I think this event has many positive sides that people are ignoring (such as no card being worthless) and most of the mvps dropped from it weren't even that good. Yeah some bio5 cards dropped but honestly do these cards honestly compare to the versatility of a kiel or power/survivability increase from tao? I don't think so.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: kong on May 02, 2019, 01:44 AM
i wish i was joking saying that sm is dying, but it really is and munbalance is killing it. it was doing so well too.

1) lunar needs to think real hard before implementing things that aren't bugfixes or official content

a) the referral system. most referral systems have limitations so one person couldn't exploit or gain extreme benefit from it. lunar didn't consider the factor that a popular streamer could exploit his referral system. if he made it so you can only gain a maximum of 1000 cash points from a single referral  (still 10% of what they spend, so if they buy 50000, you only get 1000) it would have been fine. with 1810 referrals mun would still be able to claim 1810000 cash points if every single of one of them bought at least 10000 cash points. it's not likely and that's still a lot, but it's still far more reasonable and better than 10% of EVERY DONATION made by all of his referrals FOREVER. just how much could you claim from that? hundreds of millions of cp? billions? it's the gift that never stops giving. there should be a limit. i understand that it's an old feature but it should have been taken care of the moment mun stepped in. in fact, it should been taken care of way before mun stepped in. the fact that it's not taken care of yet is very much a turn off to potential players who learn about mun's status as the server's local cashpoint god. before you argue that "mun deserves it because this and that", no, he doesn't. he deserves some amount for his efforts in getting referrals, not be the sole reservoir of cash points in the server that he didn't even personally pay for.

b) official kRO events. in my opinion events should always serve a purpose, as that's how it is in kRO and every online game to ever exist. whether it's to spread the seasonal cheer or address economic imbalances. events that have no ulterior motive need to be deliberated over very very carefully. it's foolish to implement a kRO event without thinking just because kRO has it.


2) if in the event that lunar cannot think for himself (happens extremely often), he should get the opinion of more than just mun

a) it might come as a secret to some smro players that lunar himself hangs out in munbalance's discord server and he sits there all day taking notes. he will claim that all input from his players are equally valued but i don't see lunar sitting in my discord server taking down notes for his server. he hardly spends as much time in his own discord server discussing issues, future content or plans with his playerbase.

b) it's no secret that mun and his guild is likely the first one to tackle any new content sm has. the issue here is whatever mun reports to his guild, stays with his guild (and lunar). if there is an exploit mun reports to lunar, lunar wouldn't let everyone in the server know about it before he fixes it as it is, in essence, an exploit that is a bad thing. this leads to several conclusions: one, mun and his guild can exploit as much as they can before the fix and get off scot free because they reported it. two, lunar will defend their actions by saying anyone else could have gone and did what they did (despite everyone else not even knowing about it because they were never informed about it because they believed whatever lunar said on the tin). fortessa pit is hard? oh i better not go and prepare my character. oh, turned out none of the monsters in the dungeon used elemental attacks and you can have a 100% neutral resist tank and blow out the entire dungeon? i didn't know that! oh but lunar already fixed it! shucks.


3) lunar needs to think of all his players when changing things, not just mun and his guild.

a) there used to be many many ways to generate zeny. now there are virtually none. if you look at the market everything expensive is dropping like flies in price. what used to be 200m+ is now 20-40m. is this the market settling down? more like everyone liquidating their assets before quitting.

b) some people just like to farm zeny or have the option of farming zeny. the proper way to counter increased zeny generation is to implement zeny sinks that never stop sinking zeny. there are already many effective zeny sinks in smro, but there can always be more especially when it comes to endgame or other gambling systems. if people feel like their access to zeny has been throttled severely, they will just not play because it is no longer fun.

c) mun has never had a zeny issue because he has literally infinite cp and can just vend moon coins to the unsuspecting populace. him and his guild wouldn't be able to share their thoughts properly on the state of the economy. for them, zeny is always easy to come by. but they don't farm. they abuse the thoughtless referral system and vend mooncoins. with the amount of cp mun gets he could fund his entire guild and their alts on several accounts for years.

Oh NovaRO? What the hell is that? Some server with a power tripping whimsical admin that is more inconsistent than sm's uptime and enjoys watching his players writhe in agony with +15 crimson weapons in 2019? Hard pass.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 07:34 AM
Quote from: ninekoki on May 01, 2019, 11:08 PM
Let's just say draft was cancelled last week

https://imgur.com/a/QrZiHTE

Btw, its amazing to see how toxic an admin can be. People complained about nova all the time but Lunar is worse and on a whole new level, oof

Quote from: Min on May 01, 2019, 11:54 PM
I don't see why everyone disliked the card event so much, as it stands plenty of players were getting MVPS at a fast rate from bloody branches, without the event cards like tao would still be rare, mind you but the price compared to non BB mvps like gioia would be absurd.
Official servers have stopped treating these cards sacred for a long time and I think as a server that claims to emulate kRO we should do the same.

Everyone disliked it and yet it was made a thing because you wanted it, Lunar kissing your donkey for that yt fame.
iRO sources have told me that smRO has gotten more MVP cards during that event than iRO in all of its years of uptime
Not to mention you cant know the rates of these card albums so lunar and you pulled random numbers out of their asses... high quality server  /heh
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 07:49 AM
I do believe you should maybe read inven more often since you have as much clue about RO as a homeless guy.

I never cared about how people see me, that's the difference. If you annoy me, I'll tell you that you annoy me.

I do believe your iRO sources can be found on the website that sells the duped cards there, right?
But you're right. We made roughly 1/5 of the duped MvP cards sold on a daily basis there.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 07:51 AM
Quote from: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 07:49 AM
I do believe you should maybe read inven more often since you have as much clue about RO as a homeless guy.

I never cared about how people see me, that's the difference. If you annoy me, I'll tell you that you annoy me.

I do believe your iRO sources can be found on the website that sells the duped cards there, right?
But you're right. We made roughly 1/5 of the duped MvP cards sold on a daily basis there.

So where are your rates for the cards inside that album from? You literally have no idea about RO but bought a premade server from some rathena ad that's why it's crashing so much, no?  /heh The only difference is that this rathena server has nova rejects on it following munbalance (just like you do)
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 08:08 AM
The official rate is 1 / 2000 based on reviews of people using thousands of the exchanges.
But I made my rate higher because unlike your server, I care about people.

Holy s***, dude. You're literally making my day, thanks.

Of course, that's why we have features that not even rAthena nor hercules have. Because that ad was so good.

And f*** yes, that's why no other server has them either, because that ad only sold to me.

Oh my god, mate. Learn the game. Learn about iRO before comparing that to anything.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 08:20 AM
Quote from: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 08:08 AM
The official rate is 1 / 2000 based on reviews of people using thousands of the exchanges.
But I made my rate higher because unlike your server, I care about people.

Holy s***, dude. You're literally making my day, thanks.

Of course, that's why we have features that not even rAthena nor hercules have. Because that ad was so good.

And f*** yes, that's why no other server has them either, because that ad only sold to me.

Oh my god, mate. Learn the game. Learn about iRO before comparing that to anything.

So let me get this straight you read 2 korean reviews saying the exchange rate is 1/2000 and decided the rate should be higher than that. Now after you implemented it there were literally DOZENS of high end MVP cards being brought into the server (because you care about your people and all of them really liked it as seen in the reviews)  /heh

Yes Lunar, you have features other servers do not have and all of these features (+ the standard athena bugs you bought) make your server crash almost daily ... and you don't know how to fix them because as I said you literally have no idea about RO, coding or anything when it comes to administrating a server. That's exactly why the crashes have been going on for several months.

You implemented things based on munbalance feedback while your other non munbalance playerbase dislikes them and is being forgotten as pointed out by a few players here.

I literally found those custom sprites from overlord on rathena boards, the difference is that most non super high rate servers aren't cringe enough to actually implement them as they look so out of place.

Thanks, buddy.

Edit: you are literally a high-rate server at this point with how you are giving out free MVP cards, so I don't really understand why people could even compare that to novaRO it's a different kind of server
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 08:30 AM
xD

Oh yeah babe, I read 2 korean reviews.
And you asked your iRO friends about how many MvP cards came out in the timespan the event ran.

Just because of how stupid you actually are, let me give you a piece of advice. Grow a brain <3, I love you dude.   /kis

Yeah, poor Helheim has been crashing daily :( ask the compensation poring when he last given reward ;(

And oh yes, I implement things based on Munbalances feedback. Wait, do I?  /hmm
Because if I were, how come things never go the way Munbalance wants it? As he even said in his streams.

Sorry but all he did was, bringing the card event to my attention and Blank found it. And I trust Blank in regard to actual official things more than anything.

I honestly don't care if the spriter sold the sprites somewhere else. They're from another game and so are many other sprites, do you actually think I'd care what you think regarding the sprites? xD
I like them, so I implemented them, you don't

And let's see other official servers... oh yes they all have endless MvP cards. So what if people have MvP cards? Do you still feel like jerking off when you find a card in NovaRO? Or do you do that during the skype call to Nova to get the card?  /kis
Yeah. I guess iRO is a high rate server too? Since they're giving out so many MvP cards. DOH... damn... right... they were duped, nothing iRO can do about that  /sob
I guess we have to accept the fact that iRO has more MvP cards than you have actual brain cells  /kis
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 08:46 AM
Quote from: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 08:30 AM
And oh yes, I implement things based on Munbalances feedback. Wait, do I?  /hmm
Because if I were, how come things never go the way Munbalance wants it? As he even said in his streams.

Sorry but all he did was, bringing the card event to my attention and Blank found it. And I trust Blank in regard to actual official things more than anything.

And let's see other official servers... oh yes they all have endless MvP cards. So what if people have MvP cards? Do you still feel like jerking off when you find a card in NovaRO? Or do you do that during the skype call to Nova to get the card?  /kis
Yeah. I guess iRO is a high rate server too? Since they're giving out so many MvP cards. DOH... damn... right... they were duped, nothing iRO can do about that  /sob
I guess we have to accept the fact that iRO has more MvP cards than you have actual brain cells  /kis

Unlike munbalance I do not get any personal benefits in the server I'm playing on. Like increased item rates or personalized events or even infinite cash points, I'm not lucky like that. sorry  /heh
Nobody in officials has as many MVP cards than the average player on smRO now   /hmm

But at this point, the discussion is over you're actually only spamming insults now, as an admin, proving my point that you have no idea how to administrate a server but as you said you don't care about how other people see you as long as you can satisfy your owner right?  /kis2

https://imgur.com/a/8FZyxWH

literally special treatment btw.

Another man's trash is another man's treasure I guess?

And telling me about a lack of brain cells while you as an admin present yourself publicly in such a toxic way, I wonder who has the peanut brain

Anyway, my point stands you have no RO, developer, administrator knowledge, no actual sources for the stuff you are implementing and don't know how to fix anything in your server all you do is please munbalance
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: roin2k19 on May 02, 2019, 08:55 AM
can u flame each other in DMs and not spam my thread for that?

I dont know the arias guy but lunar should know better
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 08:56 AM
xD

You're the best, darling.

Yeah didn't you know, Munbalance has 50% increased droprate on his main. So does half the server. Oh my GOD HOW?!?!?! 1x drop bonus, dear.
I want Infinite cashpoints too... :( That's why you can see in his most his streams that he barely keeps up with what he's doing and actually had to buy cashpoints himself because he ran out. But damn... how could this be?! He actually spent money?

HOLY DAMN, "Nobody in officials has as many MVP cards than the average player on smRO now" I literally died on the inside reading that, even a monkey would see on first glance that it's not true. I wonder what that makes you?

"I get Lunar to fix it", yeah he and xx other people can say the same thing.
A single PM in discord and I'll fix it if its a small bug, if it's a deeper bug, next patch.

But of course, you wouldn't know something like that. Because when you do encounter a bug, all you do is pickup your phone and start wanking.. Nova my buddy <heart heart heart> plsss fix this for me.
And guess what? Not everyones as lucky as you, some others have to wait for 2 years for Cart Cannon to get fixed. Ohhh wait. It's still not fixxed, guess they don't have your body, r?  /gg

Another man's trash is another man's treasure? Well you'd know.


Oh no, you said I have a peanut brain. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY LIFE IS RUINED. HELPPPP. HES SO MEAN TO ME, I NEED TO ORDER KLEENEX.

My little dearest best friend in the whole wide world, Ariasqt. I honestly don't care how you or someone else views me.
People play the server of how the server is, not because of me.

But I guess in your case that's different r? You play cause of your soulmate.

Don't stop. Continue, I'm having fun, plus incase you haven't noticed. I'm using you to state all the things that are wrong and proving the points while disguising it in little love letters to you, because you can't comprehend things that go past your own self.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Nithraniel on May 02, 2019, 08:58 AM
What bugs me the most is how your server is still called up to this very day an authentic kRO experience. I've seen a few custom features that stand out a lot, including the exp/drop rates, the dual classes and the world bosses that seem to give a lot of bonuses to those who stand at the top in terms of dps. I always saw kRO as that grindy MMO where you need to spend a lot of time to "git gud", where the MvP cards are only awarded to the lucky ones or the true farmers, kinda like legendary artifacts in fantasy stories. The vision your server emits is of a much more casual game, not the grindy and hard kRO we hear a lot about. The MvP kRO event is made for its server, not yours where the drop rate of cards is much higher, especially in times where the drop rate is boosted for the "compensation" of crashes I believe ? I've seen screens of big stacks of Scaraba cards dropped in a few hours and people complaining about getting s***" MvP cards... Anybody should be happy to get one I believe, but it's been reduced to this useless junk state for players... And now you tell us the rate for MvP cards on this lottery is boosted ? While I believe it's a good thing for more casual players, it gets farther and farther from the "authentic kRO experience" and closer to a high rate experience.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: kong on May 02, 2019, 09:01 AM
"everyone is dumb except for me" - lunar 2017

"heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyllo lunar?" - munbalance 2019

"e-everyone is d-dumb except for m-munnie-sempai who i owe all my success to..... d-don't you guys dare bully him!" - lunar 2019

you used to have integrity and a vision. when did you sell out to become munbalance's butt slave? oh yeah it was roughly around the start of 2019. just keep telling yourself that mun knows best and he'll pull through once more and revive your rotting server (again).
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 09:02 AM
Quote from: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 08:56 AM

But of course, you wouldn't know something like that. Because when you do encounter a bug, all you do is pickup your phone and start wanking.. Nova my buddy <heart heart heart> plsss fix this for me.
And guess what? Not everyones as lucky as you, some others have to wait for 2 years for Cart Cannon to get fixed. Ohhh wait. It's still not fixxed, guess they don't have your body, r?  /gg


That's why I have a few dozen bug reports written and well documented on the forums and don't get anything fixed unless it's public for everybody  /heh

It's not that cart cannon wasn't fixed because I played it but I played it because it wasn't fixed and anyone could do so, so how is that in ANY WAY directed towards me?  /hmm

For the rest of your messages... your head alright bruh?
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 09:11 AM
@Nithraniel

No, you're mistaking actually.
It's not the "grindy" server you hear about. It's the cash-server you hear about. There is no actual fairness in it and unless your wallet permits it, you can't get anywhere there.
Which is why it's kRO-like meaning it follows its contents, items and such.

But the implementation of the cash-part is done in a different way to allow everyone to get it.

Plus it's a 100x server, not a 1x. If you want slow kRO experience, play kRO.

@Ariasqt
So basically you're stating that you're enjoying an exploitable skill that wasn't fixed yet because you lack the braincells to play something that isn't bugged, but my rAthena ad bought server has it fixed. I guess I paid extra much for that.

Getting out of things to say? Not a problem, I'm here for you.

@kong
I'd rather have the server die out then be someone's butt slave as you're saying. Munbalance is playing here because he enjoys the way the server is and that he actually have gears that match the year and not a refine system from 2007.

Yeah, don't bully my m-munnie-sempai. You're awesome too actually, I'm starting to like you.
But you probably should find a different server because based on what you're writing here you're seriously butthurt and you can't seem to find that pacifier you lost in thanatos tower.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 09:15 AM
Quote from: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 09:11 AM
@Ariasqt
So basically you're stating that you're enjoying an exploitable skill that wasn't fixed yet because you lack the braincells to play something that isn't bugged, but my rAthena ad bought server has it fixed. I guess I paid extra much for that.

Getting out of things to say? Not a problem, I'm here for you.

@kong
I'd rather have the server die out then be someone's butt slave as you're saying. Munbalance is playing here because he enjoys the way the server is and that he actually have gears that match the year and not a refine system from 2007.

Yeah, don't bully my m-munnie-sempai. You're awesome too actually, I'm starting to like you.
But you probably should find a different server because based on what you're writing here you're seriously butthurt and you can't seem to find that pacifier you lost in thanatos tower.

And now both things are happening you're munbalances butt slave AND your server is dying because of your brilliant decisions

At this point, you're becoming more and more like Lai, yikes.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: kong on May 02, 2019, 09:23 AM
Quote from: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 09:11 AM
Munbalance is playing here because he enjoys the way the server is

so you mean before he made you make helheim or after he made you make helheim? why wouldn't munbalance enjoy a server of his own design? all he needed was a desperate sucker like you with a near invisible server to do all the work for him.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 09:27 AM
Exactly what I was referring to. Person who took that screen got banned for cheating and they were "friends" before that incident but of course not getting special treatment on cheating cases wasn't to his liking  /heh

This isn't smRO after all
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: literalwho on May 02, 2019, 09:30 AM
Quote from: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 09:27 AM
Exactly what I was referring to. Person who took that screen got banned for cheating and they were "friends" before that incident but of course not getting special treatment on cheating cases wasn't to his liking  /heh

This isn't smRO after all
Yeah, unlike Ragnashield, Gepard actually works.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 09:31 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/c5rodlo.png)

Lol, I laughed hard at that one. Tell that to the iRO community headgears that everyone breaks refining, Ariasqt. <3



"Exactly what I was referring to. Person who took that screen got banned for cheating and they were "friends" before that incident but of course not getting special treatment on cheating cases wasn't to his liking  /heh

This isn't smRO after all"

You're still making my day, is that why he you constantly hear "arias can do it, its fair"?

You should take your head out of Nova's donkey, it's literally showing just how deep its in there right now in literally everyone respond you make.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 09:39 AM
Quote from: literalwho on May 02, 2019, 09:30 AM
Yeah, unlike Ragnashield, Gepard actually works.

Yeah, works for editing packages

Quote from: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 09:31 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/c5rodlo.png)

Lol, I laughed hard at that one. Tell that to the iRO community headgears that everyone breaks refining, Ariasqt. <3


"Exactly what I was referring to. Person who took that screen got banned for cheating and they were "friends" before that incident but of course not getting special treatment on cheating cases wasn't to his liking  /heh

This isn't smRO after all"

You're still making my day, is that why he you constantly hear "arias can do it, its fair"?

You should take your head out of Nova's donkey, it's literally showing just how deep its in there right now in literally everyone respond you make.

I don't understand your first sentence, doesn't make any sense

You don't even recognize how much you are kissing munbalance's donkey to help you get your failure of a server back in line while many of your CURRENT players do.  /no1

And blindly following kRO while on higher rates would be suicidal for servers (look at yours, nice mvp card inflation)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/105788866421641216/562341887940231328/unknown-6.png

but yeah, you care about your players that's why you held this event right?
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: literalwho on May 02, 2019, 09:43 AM
Quote from: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 09:39 AM
Yeah, works for editing packages
What "packages"?
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 09:45 AM
So let me get this straight, since your view is based on NovaRO.

A single player ~ handful telling you this event is bad vs 9/10 of the server enjoying it makes you believe its bad to begin with. I get it, its your box-head view.


Of course you wouldn't get my first sentence. Since it actually requires you to check up on items that are in NovaRO. But it only has kRO items, so all good.... right...?  /gg

Oh crap, yeah 30 new MvP cards in 400+ people causes an inflation, I wonder why none are being really sold? I guess since you like talking about servers with duped cards and enjoying bugged skills you wouldn't understand how something works.

And the part that more MvP cards were exchanged into points just to roll MvP cards you wouldn't know. Wanna know why? Because you literally have no idea about the server except of reading comments of butthurt single individuals that are unhappy.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 09:51 AM
Quote from: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 09:45 AM
So let me get this straight, since your view is based on NovaRO.

A single player ~ handful telling you this event is bad vs 9/10 of the server enjoying it makes you believe its bad to begin with. I get it, its your box-head view.

Of course you wouldn't get my first sentence. Since it actually requires you to check up on items that are in NovaRO. But it only has kRO items, so all good.... right...?  /gg

Oh crap, yeah 30 new MvP cards in 400+ people causes an inflation, I wonder why none are being really sold? I guess since you like talking about servers with duped cards and enjoying bugged skills you wouldn't understand how something works.

And the part that more MvP cards were exchanged into points just to roll MvP cards you wouldn't know. Wanna know why? Because you literally have no idea about the server except of reading comments of butthurt single individuals that are unhappy.

30 mvp cards on 400+ people
>implying your server has more than 100 active players  /heh /heh /heh /heh /heh

Your cash shop is a literal 90% copy of novaROs and 90% of the hats in there are below average, they are for players who prefer buying options over farming them themselves and these options are worse. So what's your point   /hmm

Btw, even your rules are a copy of novaROs wiki which just shows me again how incompetent you are.  /kis

And yeah everyone loved that event  /lv

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/105788866421641216/562341878498852874/unknown-5.png

Gotta love these high rate servers
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: OffialServerPlayer on May 02, 2019, 09:57 AM
Laughs in official server
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: ninekoki on May 02, 2019, 09:58 AM
Quote from: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 09:51 AM

Your cash shop is a literal 90% copy of novaROs and 90% of the hats in there are below average, they are for players who prefer buying options over farming them themselves and these options are worse. So what's your point   /hmm


Sorry but when I played on Naruto Wing server and checked the cash shop I didn't see any iro gear with jro effect like Oni-horn on a server that was advertised as Authentic kRO Experience.

(https://i.imgur.com/2gtPoC0.png)

Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 10:01 AM
Quote from: ninekoki on May 02, 2019, 09:58 AM
Sorry but when I played on Naruto Wing server and checked the cash shop I didn't see any iro gear with jro effect like Oni-horn on a server that was advertised as Authentic kRO Experience.

(https://i.imgur.com/2gtPoC0.png)

Which is still worse than the hats you get through playing.

Also, isn't that screen with the authentic kRO experience from the old website so literally 1 or 2 years old whereas nova already mentioned a few times they'd start to customize the dumb parts of kRO?

The glue isn't really helping buddy.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: roin2k19 on May 02, 2019, 10:05 AM
Quote from: Methedrine on May 02, 2019, 10:02 AM
lock this crap already

yep... i only wanted to tell people that novaRO is great despite the influx of negative reviews... now it's just insulting between 3 or 4 people just lock this RMS
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Thanos Friend of Thor on May 02, 2019, 10:14 AM
Seriously, both servers are great, just play the one you enjoy most and call it a day.

Lunar: I will just leave this here as what a single player got from that exchange card event:
(https://i.imgur.com/Os62l3p.png)

Careful with those events, a big influx of mvp cards can do more damage that helping the server grow and let players have fun.
Also, you should stop with the s***, it makes you look terrible as an admin.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Cele on May 02, 2019, 10:31 AM
Quote from: Thanos Friend of Thor on May 02, 2019, 10:14 AM
Seriously, both servers are great, just play the one you enjoy most and call it a day.

Lunar: I will just leave this here as what a single player got from that exchange card event:
(https://i.imgur.com/Os62l3p.png)

Careful with those events, a big influx of mvp cards can do more damage that helping the server grow and let players have fun.
Also, you should stop with the s***, it makes you look terrible as an admin.


I know the owner of the cards , those aren't only from the exchange event , most of them were from bloody branch parties.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 10:38 AM
Have you seen some other people's storage? Have you seen some of the gear in kRO videos? They're filled with MvP cards on every slot and even god items.
So not sure where that is a problem, because all it does is enable you to actually play like other do in officials.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 11:11 AM
Quote from: Lunar@SM on May 02, 2019, 10:38 AM
Have you seen some other people's storage?

Are you saying others got even more?  /omg
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Svarog on May 02, 2019, 11:28 AM
Quote from: Ariasqt on May 02, 2019, 11:11 AM
Are you saying others got even more?  /omg

Don't you get it? Everyone on kRO has more MVP cards than that, it's very normal, so it's a no-brainer that a recent "kRO-like" server with a hundred people playing it has dozens of MVP cards. It's just more fun when everyone at the end game of PvP/WoE/BG has nice gears! Oh, wait...

/ok
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Hibris on May 02, 2019, 12:28 PM
Although I do not like it, I can tolerate a player talking s*** because he is only representing himself. But when an admin that is representing his server does it makes me think that he is not up to his position and worse things.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Midnight666 on May 02, 2019, 12:46 PM
2 s*** agruing which one is better, neat /lv
Jokes aside, on topic Nova - is ok pvm server, i would say everything is fine there on pvm side, even refines people are crying about are actually obtainable, it just takes time (sometimes too much, but still).
But most likely will never be competitive woe/bg/pvp server, since even tho sometimes administration there tries to make steps in right direction (thx god they hired phaicm), its always half measures.
Like for example, woe there needed mvp card restriction long long ago, to actually continue to grow, or at least lower entrance point to people interested in starting there, but that would never happen, coz administration is afraid of backslash from mvp card holders.
Woe rewards which dont cover even 3 guest full sets with 100 eco, almost wothless woe tracks, the only good thing was siege tokens system, but still not enough, woe was mostly sink of zeny for  players.
Smro - pvm heaven from what ive heard, with 0 bg and woe activity, tho all this stuff with almost "free" mvp cards is kinda meh i would say, in long run thats gonna kill server.

But whats actually similar about both admins is that they both suffer from "people cheating" phobia.
To Lunar, blocking ahk wont save your donkey from bots, that just creates huge hole between razer/logitech/insert any brand macro keyboard here and other people.
No one, well at least in clear mind condition, will play woe with pure "hands" in 2k19.
To Nova, there is one actual cheat right and thats ndl (titan is worthless in renewal and even ndl is not that great with bragi changes), everything else is basically qol.
If you still think that people dont use ap on your server, just open your eyes, or go through every woe movie from each guild second by second, u'll be suprised.

To other admins around, there is actually huge demand in good renewal woe or at least not pvm centered server (im not talking about my guild only), so please stop making s*** pre-re servers (which live 2 months max) and finally make actual good renewal server, which will be able to bring people, who are spread among different s*** alltogether.
Believe it or not, renewal can be very good cash grabbing cow, you just have to be smart about it.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Bazoinger on May 02, 2019, 01:49 PM
So at this point thanks to the (now deleted) post made by roin2k19, it's obvious that similar to the [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it? thread, this was just created in an attempt to kick as much dirt as possible on Shining Moon while the server is still young.
So let us recap the majority of this thread:

A) The "review" by the original poster is not actually a review, at best it could be considered a rant & rave combined with a server advertisement to form a "ranting comparison", which by the way makes for a terrible reading session. You could argue that other reviews have also done this, but not in the form where the ENTIRE THING is "server A vs server B".

B) Comparison of a server that has been running for nearly 4 years with an active staff team of over +10 members against a below 5 member staff team with an uptime of less than half a year and the constant overlooking of this fact by pretending that both servers have been running for the same amount of time.

C) Constant rule breakings with admins randomly clearing out posts that might count as "trolling", but leaving in random personal insults, out of context screencaps, images and generally obvious jabs that are desperate attemps to rile up either the admin or playerbase of the "opposite" server.

D) Lies and Fabrifcation: There's no point in reading the review when the reviewer says that they got "18m in a about an hour by farming geffenia", especially if they have an undergeared ranger. A good chunk of the posts here generally don't make any sense and sound like they're made up just to, again, cause a tantrum and make their server look good while making the oppositing server look bad.

So I'll quote the OP himself, as he has given the best wrap up of nearly every post on this thread:
Quote from: roin2k19 on Apr 30, 2019, 02:11 PM
At the moment reviews do not exist to rate servers but to actually damage them and spreading lies

Nearly everyone in this thread who has posted have not posted to review either server, but to deliberately damage the servers reputation and spread lies about the servers, which in the end just seems desperate.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Min on May 02, 2019, 02:02 PM
context squad

(https://i.imgur.com/akkhAQx.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/t6Wp47S.png)

I mean if your only evidence for "Muh corruption" is out of context discord screencaps, that's pretty sad.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: BlankXF on May 02, 2019, 02:05 PM
Quote from: Ara on May 01, 2019, 03:59 PM
Hey, I wonder if Munbalance knew about the card event before it came out for the rest of the playerbase. On April Fools Day. Where I'm sure plenty of players assumed it was a joke. I'm no expert on finding this stuff, but I've never been able to find any evidence that it was a real kRO event. Or how Lunar managed to get the rates. Rates, that I hear were pretty iffy. I guess I'll just take your word for it, instead of being like all the people asking for proof every time NovaRO fixes a bug.

Heyo, I meant to reply to this hours ago but real life takes priority. Ex kRO player and one of the seemingly mythical people who can understand moon runes here. As for rates, that's a trade secret. However, I can easily point you towards patch notes containing the event itself. Do a search using this phrase either on kRO's site, or on ragnarok.gamepedia.com:
"카드체인지 이벤트가"

It seems like most people here thinks noone can understand Korean or something. Not saying you're one, but reading this whole thread made me sad.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: yennar on May 02, 2019, 02:52 PM
Quote from: Bazoinger on May 02, 2019, 01:49 PM
Nearly everyone in this thread who has posted have not posted to review either server, but to deliberately damage the servers reputation and spread lies about the servers, which in the end just seems desperate.

this is so true.
There are only 2 sort of posts here on RMS: to market a server or to rage against a server. One should take everything he/she reads on RMS with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Naruto on May 03, 2019, 12:25 AM
I could beat you all with a blindfold on,

Now dont make me take it off.
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Argustein on Jun 01, 2019, 08:29 PM
i don't get it why nova player arguing about "my server better than yours" while nova don't have any problem with lunar even like they said lunar copy nova wiki, etc nova still chill out /heh
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Naruto on Jun 01, 2019, 10:32 PM
Quote from: Argustein on Jun 01, 2019, 08:29 PM
i don't get it why nova player arguing about "my server better than yours" while nova don't have any problem with lunar even like they said lunar copy nova wiki, etc nova still chill out /heh

not like it matters you all play snipers
Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Fu Wind on Jul 26, 2019, 05:37 PM
Quote from: Ara on May 01, 2019, 06:02 PM
And as a reminder, you were pushing a suggestion in the forums that had very little support, providing wildly inaccurate information, and even clashing ideas within the suggestion itself. While being completely confident. People can only read so much of that kind of stuff. I assume you then saw the #pvp-discussions channel or whatever in the ShiningMoon discord, and dropped the suggestion altogether. So much for 10+ people who supported it I guess?

Quote from: Ara on May 01, 2019, 06:02 PM
I don't see what's wrong with a larger group of players trying to stop suggestions they don't like. Y'know, some of them even tried to make suggested changes that would've helped you out. Don't think there's anything different from what they were doing on that thread, and what you're trying to do on this thread. It's not like they always get their way either. If I had things the way I wanted, that other PvP ranking/titles suggestion would've never made it through.

For anyone new to this conversation, here's (http://www.novaragnarok.com/forum/topic/10523-gear-discussion-for-the-normalized-gear-woe/) the forum thread in question.
I guess I'll rephrase it then.


Hi. I just wanted to point out that what you said is not even close to what really happened that day. Well, the topic is right here so people can see the truth with their own eyes: here's (http://www.novaragnarok.com/forum/topic/10523-gear-discussion-for-the-normalized-gear-woe/)


What really happened step by step was:

1.- We got the idea of implementing a more inclusive WOE on the Server, one that only allows equipment relatively easy to get. So there would be a very small gap bewtween Old Players and Newbies.  /no1

2.- Before posting the topic, we talked with people inside PVP ROOM, different Discords and Whatsapp Groups to know how many people would like the Idea. We got around 15 or 20 persons that supported the idea. 10/10

3.- The idea was literally and intentionally a "BLANK CANVAS", so everyone was invited to opine about the topic. So saying "wildly inaccurate information, and even clashing ideas within the suggestion itself" is just a FALLACY. We intentinally didn't developed the idea cause we wanted to invite everyone to contribute with their knowledge and experience.   /ok

4.- As soon as we posted the Topic, some old members of PVP community started messing around with insults and jokes. There were maybe 1 or 2 legit equipment suggestions from Shall, but  the great majority of posts were just trolling, insulting, and disacrediting everything that we suggested.

5.- BTW, Shall laughted on us for using Glorious Set instead of Recruit Set, which not only demonstrates his toxicity but also his LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE GAME. As proven in the same Topic, Glorious set is WAY better than Recruit set to endure Asura Strike, since it not only gives more Demi-Human Resistance, but also a much higher HP POOL.  /hmm

6.- I talked to those 15-20 persons that supported the idea before, and I asked them support the suggestion on the Forum. You know what they said? They said they didn't wanna get involved, because THE PVP COMMUNITY IS TOO TOXIC!! So in my frustration i created a fake account named ALTARIA SUN to support the suggestion (it was a mistake for sure, I admit it, but it was necessary because no one wants to talk in the NovaRO Forum whenever this TOXIC PVP COMMUNITY is involved) .

7.- Shall edited and deleted the majority of the insults on his posts, so they doesn't give more bad fame to himself and the current PVP community. So what you see on topic right now is VERY softened. Very cowardly behavior. If he wanted to be direct and honest, at least he should have kept his word to the very end instead of retracting. /swt

8.- At that point, I already lost my hope on getting anything good from the suggestion. But i kept on the topic, just to point out the evident LIES that some PVP players were spitting (saying they were "helping", what a nice joke  /heh )

9.- Finally, the creator asked for the GMs to close the topic.  /hmm






Ara, you sympathize me, and is ok that you try to defend your friends, but don't try to deny what really happened.

As a friend, instead of defending their sh*t, you should be advicing them to act with more maturity and not to repeat this behavior again. Cause is not only harmful for the people insulted, but also for YOURSELVES and for THE WHOLE SERVER, since it keeps A LOT of potential players away from PVP, and, in general, away from NovaRO.

Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: Fu Wind on Jul 28, 2019, 10:36 AM
Also, forgot to mention:

Quote from: Hibris on May 02, 2019, 12:28 PM
Although I do not like it, I can tolerate a player talking s*** because he is only representing himself. But when an admin that is representing his server does it makes me think that he is not up to his position and worse things.

+1000.
I have nothing personal against Lunar, very cool and nice guy, and his server has lot of potential to keep growing. I just don't prefer it because of the major customs and the super easy rates.

But when a GM s*** talks in a Forum, it looks terrible. That's giving bad fame to the server he owns.  /??

It's fine that a GM defends his work, but in my opinion there are ways and ways to do the things. A GM should talk  from a superior state, not at the same level. For he's representing not only himself, but his whole Server. If a GM s*** talks that way, that talks pretty bad about the Server.   /hmm

Just an advicement.

Title: Re: NovaRO>>>>>smRO
Post by: yC on Sep 12, 2019, 05:29 PM
Locking this topic, create your own topic if you have anything else to add.