MouRO

[Fruityla]

Learn to take criticism @_@ Sheesh.

Instead of jumping down the poor kid's throat because they didn't like their experience on your server, try taking what they said into consideration. It's not like the OP was flaming you.

[Macros]

Instead of jumping down the poor kid's throat because they didn't like their experience on your server, try taking what they said into consideration. It's not like the OP was flaming you.

...because MouRO is the farthest thing from casual I can think of...

MouRO happily advertised itself as... I bought this up quite quickly...

Apparently the Admin looked at the installers every other private servers have, considered them crap and instead guides the players to manually doing everything an .exe would have...

...because god knows not a single thing was left unchanged when they went through it.

I guess we have to play by YOUR pace...

After getting your Bachelor's in Ragnarok Installation...

Don't worry, this is the first of many puzzling events you'll be having on MouRO.

Why would you do that?  That's more grinding for something every other server gives you like the normal system does.  How annoying and ridiculous.

A bit more wandering past wherever the hell you start with...

There's weapons with five slots, damn it.  What the hell is going on here?

Yes, i will gladly learn to take criticism, once its constructive. Did i really have to do what i just did, point at his sentances, and say: LOOK, HERE WHEN I AM POINTING, THIS IS CALLED "ARROGANCE"? Many people criticised MouRO, but they at least were so polite that they treated Skotlex with respect. I am perfectly fine with constructive criticism, but you want me to treat someone who has no right to criticise nicely? The "You" guy is wrong in pretty much everything, and his "review", based _solely_ on "first impression", is outrageously shallow.

Also flaming MouRO pretty much = flaming me. Duh.

[Hutchy]

Learn to take criticism @_@ Sheesh.

Instead of jumping down the poor kid's throat because they didn't like their experience on your server, try taking what they said into consideration. It's not like the OP was flaming you.

Unfortunately, this will do no good. Nobody has enough sense to listen.

[PoisonWolf]

Instead of jumping down the poor kid's throat because they didn't like their experience on your server, try taking what they said into consideration. It's not like the OP was flaming you.

...because MouRO is the farthest thing from casual I can think of...

MouRO happily advertised itself as... I bought this up quite quickly...

Apparently the Admin looked at the installers every other private servers have, considered them crap and instead guides the players to manually doing everything an .exe would have...

...because god knows not a single thing was left unchanged when they went through it.

I guess we have to play by YOUR pace...

After getting your Bachelor's in Ragnarok Installation...

Don't worry, this is the first of many puzzling events you'll be having on MouRO.

Why would you do that?  That's more grinding for something every other server gives you like the normal system does.  How annoying and ridiculous.

A bit more wandering past wherever the hell you start with...

There's weapons with five slots, damn it.  What the hell is going on here?

Yes, i will gladly learn to take criticism, once its constructive. Did i really have to do what i just did, point at his sentances, and say: LOOK, HERE WHEN I AM POINTING, THIS IS CALLED "ARROGANCE"? Many people criticised MouRO, but they at least were so polite that they treated Skotlex with respect. I am perfectly fine with constructive criticism, but you want me to treat someone who has no right to criticise nicely? The "You" guy is wrong in pretty much everything, and his "review", based _solely_ on "first impression", is outrageously shallow.

Also flaming MouRO pretty much = flaming me. Duh.

Macros,

Honestly, if you can't even take negative reviews, get Skotlex to close up MouRO, and keep it to just the circle of friends you have on the server. That's the best way to get the shaft out of your rectum right now, in my opinion. If you're going to have a public server, take the good and the bad that comes with it. Sure the OP could have presented his opinion better, but does it justify the necessity to jump down his throat for it? It really makes you no better than a pompous prick in my opinion.

Even Skotlex is not here doing anything about it, and even if he did read it, I'm sure he would not be as fired up as you are right now. If you really can't take negative reviews, just don't come to the RMS forums. That will save you a lot of headaches.

The way I see it, take what the topic creator(TC) said, and take it in a positive light. So right now, it seems that MouRO is really just too difficult for the average-player who just wants to come in and level up, so make changes in the game to notify them of these things . A good suggestion was the training grounds. And please don't give the "he's too busy with real-life excuses". If he's too busy to even begin with, he wouldn't even be hosting the server. I go to college as well, I work during the week, I do a lot of other things, and I still find time to utilize patchers and all the shenanigans just to make things easier for newcomers. For you it may be easy to do it because you've been playing there for a long time, but you need to look at people who may or may not be as tech-savvy as you are.

If Skotlex isn't willing to make things easier, you can take it both ways. One, this will act as a buffer for filtering players that you don't want in the server (perhaps people who don't like customizations), two, this will also act as a reason as to why the population is constantly so low, even after so many years (I've heard about MouRO well over for a year now, or was it a year and a half?). It's really Skotlex's call on his behalf in this regard. He can spend an hour or three during the weekends learning how to setup Triads, creating more informative NPCs about the server (really, just make a giant handbook that functions as an etc item that will contain all the useful tips/hints, or he can continue fine-tuning the server.

Your call. And please, stop being so pissy, you're starting to make MouRO look bad.

Cheers.

[Fruityla]

Yes, i will gladly learn to take criticism, once its constructive. Did i really have to do what i just did, point at his sentances, and say: LOOK, HERE WHEN I AM POINTING, THIS IS CALLED "ARROGANCE"? Many people criticised MouRO, but they at least were so polite that they treated Skotlex with respect. I am perfectly fine with constructive criticism, but you want me to treat someone who has no right to criticise nicely? The "You" guy is wrong in pretty much everything, and his "review", based _solely_ on "first impression", is outrageously shallow.

Also flaming MouRO pretty much = flaming me. Duh.

That response isn't helping your case any and tells me I should just walk away. Which is exactly what I'm doing. o_o;

[Ominoto]

Thing is, this board is for players to share their experiences on a server, and let other people comment on them, regardless of however long they have played on the server, or in this case, how far into the server they got.

The thing with MouRO is that it's customised to the point that next-to-nothing is the same as say, your average RO server.  Now lets take the average RO player at the moment, who has most likely played RO for about a year - two years.  They have to adjust to this server's mechanics, but rather than actually learning much about these customs ingame, they have to read walls of text on the forums.  The least you could do is make a Training Ground which gives a good explanation on part of the customs.  Not going through the whole list, but enough to give the player a general idea without having to read guides in order to play.

I'm going to use YggdrasilOnline as an example.  For the customs in their server, they added a custom training ground in order to explain some of these changes.  Sure theres not as many as MouRO, but atleast they explained it without having to go to the forums, and in a very simple way too.  When you're online, you'd want to play the game, not read on the forums how to play, that's just plain boring.

That's my two cents.

[Macros]

The way I see it, take what the topic creator(TC) said, and take it in a positive light. So right now, it seems that MouRO is really just too difficult for the average-player who just wants to come in and level up, so make changes in the game to notify them of these things . A good suggestion was the training grounds. And please don't give the "he's too busy with real-life excuses". If he's too busy to even begin with, he wouldn't even be hosting the server. I go to college as well, I work during the week, I do a lot of other things, and I still find time to utilize patchers and all the shenanigans just to make things easier for newcomers. For you it may be easy to do it because you've been playing there for a long time, but you need to look at people who may or may not be as tech-savvy as you are.

If Skotlex isn't willing to make things easier, you can take it both ways. One, this will act as a buffer for filtering players that you don't want in the server (perhaps people who don't like customizations), two, this will also act as a reason as to why the population is constantly so low, even after so many years (I've heard about MouRO well over for a year now, or was it a year and a half?). It's really Skotlex's call on his behalf in this regard. He can spend an hour or three during the weekends learning how to setup Triads, creating more informative NPCs about the server (really, just make a giant handbook that functions as an etc item that will contain all the useful tips/hints, or he can continue fine-tuning the server.

Hmm. Yes, i doubt many people would be as fired up as i am. I do not like people who think that they are able to compose a constructive opinion from a couple hours of gameplay. I do not like people who try to act like oooh those famous and rough critics feared by all the writers/movie directors, whatever. First impression might be important, but basing opinions _merely_ on first impressions... is shallow. Would you pick a partner by the first impression? There are many things that are not that awesome at the beginning, and get way better in the process.

Heck, imagine i would write a review based on the first chapter of Lord of the Rings. The first chapter was riddiculously boring imho, but the rest of the books were cool. He only got to Fabres and Porings :-/ There were many people who didnt like MouRO right off the bat, people who just stayed for a couple hours, and they were totally like "duuuh, this is definetly not a server for me, everything sucks", and they left. But they were never as rude as this TC (topic creator) is.

There were also people who didnt like the server very much, but then they grew to love it, as i did.

Thing is, this board is for players to share their experiences on a server, and let other people comment on them, regardless of however long they have played on the server, or in this case, how far into the server they got.

Okay, but you cant be surprised when someone has objections then. I certainly do not think that everything about the review is okay. Do you?

The thing with MouRO is that it's customised to the point that next-to-nothing is the same as say, your average RO server.  Now lets take the average RO player at the moment, who has most likely played RO for about a year - two years.  They have to adjust to this server's mechanics, but rather than actually learning much about these customs ingame, they have to read walls of text on the forums.  The least you could do is make a Training Ground which gives a good explanation on part of the customs.  Not going through the whole list, but enough to give the player a general idea without having to read guides in order to play.

Yes, that is a good suggestion. Although we already have a newbie introduction NPC in the initial room, which offers most of the information you might need... you see, new people tend to rush into the game, ignoring any NPCs (except the merchants) along the road. I am pretty sure that even if the Valkyrie herself provided text, most of the people would merely read the chat options, find out they can pick a class, and totally disregard all the advice she had to offer.

Now i wonder how come when i came to MouRO two years ago, and there werent even any Forums yet, and there were like 2 players active very rarely... and i still managed to get used to the servers changes, and have a lot of good time there.

Anyway, those were some good two cents, both from Wolf and Omino. Now i wish the initial post would be written in this manner.

[Pandora]

I'm sure Skotlex, in his all mighty awesomeness (*praise praise*) could make an installer and a patcher for the convenience of his players and that it would increase the player-friendliness of mouRO, and if he can't due to time restraint I got one word for you : delegate!

For the longest time, players suggested that MouRO should have a website (also in the mindset of being convenient), as far as I heard, it was a player who did it in the end, so maybe find someone to make you an installer and patcher, when you update you make a patch instead of new full files to download, it's also less heavy on the download for the players.

[bulbasteve]

People seem to have very different definitions of "casual".

First of all I don't think we really talk about "casual RO players". Frankly the reason I am most in favor of an easy installer is to get more people outside the RO pserver community in. Since clearly as some of these posts show when you play a game for a good 6 or 7 years you really don't like learning new things.

And really how many of us actually learned through going through the training grounds? I just spent half a night reading through the ol' Weggy FAQs, but I think some people forget that we weren't born knowing how to play the game.

Aside from which I would probably argue that the way the game system in Mou is set up is actually far more logical an intuitive than standard RO, again I think people forget just how esoteric and strange some of the rules in regular RO is.

But then that is always the problem when some so called hardcore gamers talk about casual games. Casual gaming is more about the time you spent gaming (as in no grind) as opposed to how easy or hard the game is to learn.

[Guest]

locking this because its going out of hand

and guys, he is entitled to his opinion, you can't dispute that (YES thats what you were doing)