Pure-RO: Many Issues

Started by RMS Shin, Jul 05, 2013, 10:16 PM

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MjaoZor

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a) The biggest and WoE dominating guild left due to personal issues (they made it clear that they were very happy about the server, they did NOT quit because they disliked anything, they quit because the core members had personal issues come up and the rest decided to quit RO forever and move to more modern MMORPGs, none of them went to another RO server).
Quote from: potatopie on Jul 17, 2013, 01:01 PM
Chronic Back Pain went to Evolve (at the time before they got banned).
Blank spot quit Loli CBP and Awesome were left ( as the bigger guilds )
Loli "Rage quit" and said they were leaving.(They never really left from what I heard but their rage was funny ->http://s647.photobucket.com/user/MjaoZor/media/loliredone_zps12d96c81.mp4.html (Sorry about the low qual bare with it))
After that CBP decided that we had two options wait for Awesome to be WoE ready or join a server that already a good active WoE, and with playtester trying to create an iRO copy from a private server and not listning at all to what the players wanted the server did not seem to have a long future really.
2 days after joining Evo the CBP guild were created as Wtfjh invitors were not around at the moment and we still wanted to talk to everyone in guild. Soon to be everyone was in wtfjh and CBP were left a memory many of us had exams and real life problems and only a few stayd and those are now in wtfjh. 
And about the "at the time before they got banned" Tha hell are you on? Are you trying to say that CBP got banned on Pure after leaving xD?

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As for PureRO after all of this is slowly started to die, something that play tester apperently had forseen and claimed to be normal.
"Dunno, 20 seems pretty normal for private server with 3+ months lifetime." as he stated over a month ago.
No bugs getting fixed I mean comon it's been open this long and there are so many bugs still to solve..
I think the funniest one was "Sir please help I can't log in" "Have you tried using a proxy?(Even though we have clearly stated using a proxy is against the rules) Please try that as we can't fix our own bugs"
Wait no I take it back the funniest one was the Minorous event that went on for a week and during that whole week beast strife was bugged and was not fixed until after that event..

Nah R.I.P PureRO

Playtester

The goal of PureRO is to stay as close to official servers as possible, this was the goal published at the very beginning and it still is. Can't really complain about customs not being implemented. If CPB really wanted a customized server then I guess the server wasn't for them in the first place.

QuoteAnd about the "at the time before they got banned" Tha hell are you on? Are you trying to say that CBP got banned on Pure after leaving xD?
I think he meant on EvolveRO. There's a thread on RMS that CPB got banned from EvolveRO for admitting on their guild forums that they use AHK.

QuoteAs for PureRO after all of this is slowly started to die, something that play tester apperently had forseen and claimed to be normal.
"Dunno, 20 seems pretty normal for private server with 3+ months lifetime." as he stated over a month ago.
It is normal. 95% of all RO servers have such a lifetime, start out big and then after 3 months it starts losing players and if the server doesn't wipe or close then, it usually ends up with a static 20-30 player playerbase.

QuoteNo bugs getting fixed I mean comon it's been open this long and there are so many bugs still to solve..
Huh? I was considering the game being almost bug-free since 1-2 months. At least I don't really know about any criticial bug that's still in need to be fixed.

QuoteI think the funniest one was "Sir please help I can't log in" "Have you tried using a proxy?(Even though we have clearly stated using a proxy is against the rules) Please try that as we can't fix our own bugs"
I don't think using proxies is against the rules. Also, it was just recommended as a test to see if the block is IP-based. How would you go about that problem?

QuoteWait no I take it back the funniest one was the Minorous event that went on for a week and during that whole week beast strife was bugged and was not fixed until after that event..
It was only bugged for a week. It's unfortunate that it was during the event, but the events are to encourage partying anyway, wheras beast strafing is more or less a solo playing skill. As hunter/sniper you can still be very helpful in that event by killing the gargoyles so the mobber can mob without problems.
This bug was created by an rAthena dev, not by a mistake of the PureRO staff (it was bugged on all other servers too that used that revision) and I was actually the one who figured out what was wrong.
Sorry but fixing complicated bugs like this within just a week is something I would consider a fast fix. You think the EvolveRO staff is better at fixing bugs?

neethree

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Quote from: MjaoZor on Jul 18, 2013, 05:56 AM
and with playtester trying to create an iRO copy from a private server and not listning at all to what the players wanted the server did not seem to have a long future really.
I really don't consider that a bad thing.  I consider that an excellent thing.  GMs knowing what they want and sticking to it is rare; players have a LOT of bad ideas and it just turns servers into the same old generic low rates.  I applaud the GM team for doing something like this and I'm happy for it.  I love the fact that it IS "iRO copy" - it's why I joined.  I'm happy to see GMs that leave the game alone and don't mess with things that aren't broken.  There is nothing worse than a big guild bullying a server into making changes.  I hate to use the word entitled, but it's true.  Players are very entitled nowadays and we need stern GMs.

That might be a turn off for some players and feel like the staff is ignoring player opinion, but for myself and my guild that offers us so much security.  We LIKE boring old RO.  So many other servers we've joined (not limited to RO!) have advertised a classic experience and we went there expecting that - only to find that there were quite a lot of custom things that had been added because the players whined so much.  It was a huge discouragement - and we were left thinking "If the GMs will change something like x because players kept asking, then what else are they going to change? This isn't a classic experience at all."  After all, there's more to classic than just low rates. Whenever you change something you're ALWAYS going to upset someone.  The only way to deal with that is know your server ideals and have that set in stone.  That security will net you long term players.  If a new player like me sees this classic iRO style server, he is going to join because of that and have a good time and not worry about the server becoming too custom and turning into something very different than the original.  He'll get what he expects.  And if somebody doesn't like that and is more used to other styles of play... why play PureRO? There are plenty of other low rates for that.  I don't want Pure to keep trying to be fresh and new and ironically end up the same as every other lowrate.  It's boring old RO and I love that.  Even more so because no other servers offer that! It may be unpopular but I'm glad it exists.

I'm having a very good time on this server.  There is a huge problem with the population, but that's just natural for a server like this.  There's always going to be a new shiny flavour of the month low rate.  I just hope new players will join for the classic experience, but at the end of the day a server like that isn't as popular.  There's nothing you can do about that, unfortunately.  You can't make people like classic.

In response to Shin, unfortunately a lot of what he said is true. It is a shame that he had nothing nice to say about the server, as he was obviously salty when he wrote the post and has made it seem a lot worse than it is.  I feel like the population and all of the problems that come with is nothing we can help, though I do agree with him in regards to Helios.  He apparently is busy with school and work, to which some people will say is natural because he has a life outside of RO.  I don't think that is an excuse, because if that's the case it was a poor decision for him to admin an RO server under those conditions.  At the end of the day running a server is a full time job.  I would like to see him more active or at the very least hire another admin - nobody else can do anything without his permission, and it seems he is hard to reach.  There are some bugs that need to be fixed - nothing game breaking or exploitable, but rather annoyances that aren't working as they are supposed to.  And again, without Helios, nobody can fix those.

All in all, the admin availability is honestly my only issue with the server.  I hope that PureRO persists, and hopefully other classic fans will join the ranks and the security of a no-nonsense classic server will help form a dedicated player base.
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RMS Shin

As pointed out, CBP went to play another private server. I believe you made a mistake playtester, saying that

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they quit because the core members had personal issues come up and the rest decided to quit RO forever and move to more modern MMORPGs, none of them went to another RO server).

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Huh? I was considering the game being almost bug-free since 1-2 months. At least I don't really know about any criticial bug that's still in need to be fixed.

I know of two critical bugs right now which are abusable.

It also took Helios 6 weeks to finally implement no dueling in prontera. Could've easily fixed that within an hour.

krosserdog

Shin, exi here. A few correction on your post:
Playtester was referring to Blank Spot, not CBP. BS did quit due to personal issue and only a few of them move to another RO. Most of them simply quit.

The dueling in prontera was not a bug. It was an exploit that I show you and since it's an exploit, it shouldn't be abused by players but then again, you can't ban people for that.

Also note that Helios is busy with real life stuff so just give him a break.

RMS Shin

Fair enough.

Real life does come first, but still hard to believe that 1 hour couldn't have been invested to fix it much more quickly.

One done, two more bugs to go (at least ones i know of)