Started by Alexina, Apr 28, 2009, 02:20 PM
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Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 12:02 PMXileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 03, 2009, 04:11 PMQuote from: horo on Jun 03, 2009, 12:14 PMYet the highest level of skill in PvP/WoE you will always find on the really low rate servers. Player skill is quite more important than people make it out to be, and so is being knowledgeable about equipment, rather than just having great gear to begin with but no idea how to utilize it, which describes 95+% of the HR server playerbase.That can be arguable depending on the server. It's obvious that every server is played differently than other servers. Also every server has different items. Sure there maybe a some background that they share, however not being able to utilize the game to it's full extent because of countless hours of hunting and grinding can cause a player to drop everything and move on to another server.Quote from: fluidin on Jun 03, 2009, 12:25 PMThe longer you spend in the game,the better you'll become.Not because you finally get items with low drop rates, but because you manage to acquire knowledge of a large part of game mechanics. Leveling slowly allows you to experience so much more (and learn as a result) than the HR player.I like your opinion however, being repetitive in regards to grinding and poking monster to level is in no way of gaining much experience at all. Sure you know how to kill an AI, to the extent use just point and click because the monster basically does the same thing over and over. I do agree that you learn the games mechanics by leveling, however this can be said on a HR server also. You may not spend the time it takes on a LR, but on a HR you can learn faster. It's a fact that when you play competitively, you learn more. In PvP, the opponent is not an AI that repeats what it does. Most of player nowadays set up their builds just for PvP. In my knowledge, grinding levels teaches almost nothing at all other than killing AI's and utilizing skills.On a HR you can all the skills you need in a record week, on a LR you can only do what you can as of now and hope tomorrow you can get the skill point you need to actually use them.Like I said before; "The harder you play the better you will become" because if a player really wanted to learn something they would learn it with motivation instead of coming across it in due time. "The longer you player, the better you are", I believe this to be a weak statement because anyone can can poke monsters for hours and not learn a sense of mechanic at all in the server. I believe the harder you try the better you become. The more motivated you are the better you will become. Some people are forced to level for hours just to catch up; Everyone wants to be max level wouldn't it be great and just get maxed level in a short amount of time to just finally play the game instead of spending hours killing monster while everyone else is having fun?If you want players to learn the mechanics, don't lower the rates so you can force the players to use the time they have to level to learn the game mechanics. If anything, they have to be motivated and willingly by choice to learn the game mechanics. That is my opinion, I believe if a player "wants" to play the server they are willing to learn by "choice" and try hard to understand the game mechanics. Instead of playing for hours and hours to come across something they might have no interest in.
Quote from: horo on Jun 03, 2009, 12:14 PMYet the highest level of skill in PvP/WoE you will always find on the really low rate servers. Player skill is quite more important than people make it out to be, and so is being knowledgeable about equipment, rather than just having great gear to begin with but no idea how to utilize it, which describes 95+% of the HR server playerbase.
Quote from: fluidin on Jun 03, 2009, 12:25 PMThe longer you spend in the game,the better you'll become.Not because you finally get items with low drop rates, but because you manage to acquire knowledge of a large part of game mechanics. Leveling slowly allows you to experience so much more (and learn as a result) than the HR player.
QuoteMost HR players are viewed as imbeciles is because most people make a 255 Champ in one day without even knowing how to play one properlyAnd @fluidin, I agree, this forums also agree too because if you check the job discussion/guides/general discussion, most of the moronic questions come from HR players
Quote from: Jeon on Jun 04, 2009, 07:36 AMMost of everything I learned was from HR, and I've been playing for 4 years. Most dumbasses do go to HR, that's because they want to learn things fast. The fact that they want to strays away from LR, because they know they don't have the time to compete with others. If anything people only join LR to be with their friends, I on the other hand have always been solo jumping server.I agree that it is rare to find good players in HR, but in my experience I've come across those who came from LR server and had no idea on how the specific server they joined are played. Sure they might now how to utilize skills, but never did they spam it so fast or never have they seen a fight pass by in 10 seconds. Most fights in a reasonable PvP (such as XileRO) tend to last one minute in a half. I believe getting items should be easy, how do you obtain knowledge of an item if you don't even have one? You're hunting for hours and hours for a card that doesn't seem to drop, how do you have first hand knowledge of an item that you don't yet have? People don't gain skills just by hunting it, because they simply have it yet. If anything, the person should spend at most 10 minutes - 15 minutes hunting it. Once they have it, test it in PvP. Thinks of ways to use it to their full extent.Cmon now, if a opponent beats me on a LR because he has certain cards that really give him an advantage. Let's say Garm card, in order for me to come back I will need to hunt for hours finding an anti freeze a card. Probably by then, he would sign off, maybe not play anymore, or just lost the motivation to PvP at all.QuoteMost HR players are viewed as imbeciles is because most people make a 255 Champ in one day without even knowing how to play one properlyAnd @fluidin, I agree, this forums also agree too because if you check the job discussion/guides/general discussion, most of the moronic questions come from HR playersIs it wrong to ask questions? You're a moron for not asking questions in my perspective. Whether it is moronic or not, it's a question just like any other, it shares a motivation for knowledge. This is proof that most of the questions that are being asked are from HR, because they want to learn.
Quote from: horo on Jun 04, 2009, 09:19 AMHOW DO I MINE 4 FISH PLZ!!! I search for this and don't find an answert -_- please GM??? my server is darksuperbloodRO, help -_- im also bannd.
Quote1) The best way to learn is by slowly grinding and seeing which technic is best during your leveling
Quote2) HRs tend to be overcustomized, which nulls the legit experience for some LR players
Quote3) Fights in LR passing faster than HR? =_=, EDP SB and Asura can kill someone if less than three seconds, if it's not that than it is YggBerry spammage (Ppl carry hundreds of them in HR), and there is protection and potting for increasing fight duration
Quote4) This is why test servers are for, for testing card combos
Quote5) Mostly, server veterans who have a high amount of skill,luck and patience are the only ones who get such rare cards, someone who recently joined a server shan't be able to kill a vet
Quote6) Most of these questions are overasked questions, please, the search button exists for a reason, if they just go posting out of the blue without using it then it proves they are somewhat on the wrong spot, of course, they want to learn, but please, how would you like if your worldwide RO discussion forums were filled with questions like "HOW DO I MINE 4 FISH PLZ!!!", "HEY PLZ GM UNBAN ME!!!", honestly, these questions are made by impatient people who really don't know wtf is happening and they just post out of the blues, and what by "You're a moron by not asking questions?", well, simple, I ASK QUESTIONS, usually I test some things out and ask someone who is more knowledgeble than me (Mainly horo) about them if I have any difficulties, the thing is, my questions usually have some though and good spelling on them, not like "PLZ PLZ WHERE I GET STUFF, GUIDE PLX", most of these kinds of questions come from HR players, mainly the big-name ones like ScythRO, XileRO and aeRO
Quote from: fluidin on Jun 04, 2009, 09:42 AMlol'd.Also, that you think LR players have never seen a fight last less than 10 seconds is fail already. It just reinforces my view that further discussion with you regarding that particular aspect is useless :x I also doubt XileRO is decent pvp. Watch RWC vids for decent pvp instead.
Quote from: fluidin on Jun 04, 2009, 09:42 AMWe have knowledge about certain cards even if we don't have them because we plan beforehand. Always curious, always looking for new ways to utilize game mechanics, always playing with the calcs.
Quote from: horo on Jun 04, 2009, 12:19 PMYou're assuming a 99/70 HR with high droprates on everything but overpowering cards (boss/mvp) and gears I assume? Plus Ygg restrictions and whatnot you need to desperately keep the inherent flaws of HR to a minimum, when I seriously doubt such a server even exists to begin with. HR are usually more unbalanced equipment/class wise than LR, the imbalance just moves up a tier or two.
Quote from: horo on Jun 04, 2009, 12:19 PMLooking solely at the players, almost all the innovations in gameplay/builds/gear have come from official servers, from players "with no life", from sakray testing and stat calculators. Hunting and grinding is a great way to perfect techniques such as dancing and get a feel for every single aspect of your class, which is something that eludes HR players. The HR players you portray are some kind of idealistic myth that most of us that have played HR server know does not exist in reality, or is far rarer than card drops on LR servers.