The WoE Server Phenomenon

[tomosuke]

What is it that attracts these people to these servers? If you look at who hosts these kinds of servers, they're mostly found in European and Brazilian countries.

What is it that keeps Americans and Asians from actively participating and possibly making their own WoE servers?
(Compared to the rest, there are very few American Guilds, and they're usually found participating in these servers.)

Has RO dwindled to the point where this is the only place where they find good GvG?

What is it that keeps some people in low rates? Are they exclusively low rate?

When the hell will Pinoys make a freaking WoE server so I can have nice ping playing Prof D:?

Mainly discuss the current WoE server trend happening everywhere else but here. (VisionRO is still remaking and Malevolent is probably a good indicator of a good WoE server. Bought scripts from Chronos :3)

[Kyozoku]

Has RO dwindled to the point where this is the only place where they find good GvG?

yup

What is it that keeps some people in low rates? Are they exclusively low rate?

idk because they enjoy it?

[yC]

I see that the RO population is shifting away from North America for the past few years.

Keep in mind that iRO was there for the American since 2001~.  The peak time of American playing RO had past.  I too wish people in the US and Canada would come back to RO but that's not happening.  American (and many other developed countries) are playing WoW and those other graphically superior-er games.  Reason I heard from Brazilian and Pinoy players are because they can't afford higher specs comp to play other games so they stick with RO.  Or because their whole family are playing it so they found it fun to stick together.  Hey hey could some Br / Pinoy tell me is this correct? 

[adhelle]

One of the reasons of why there's a lot of brazilians and pinoys on privates is because the official servers from Brazil and Philipines are horrible.
I don't play on bRO since beta though, so I'm not sure if this is true. But this is what I hear about it.
I'm not so sure about the comp specs. But the general internet connection here suck unless you live in a big town.
And I heard this is also valid for philipines.

[datme]

99/70 High-rates with easily obtainable mats from BG are definitely quite great, too bad it's usually only the br/spanish servers that succeed. The only reason vRO was successful was because they opened just after a main spanish server kind of died out. Obviously with vRO 2 this wasn't the case, there being an opening of a new spanish HR which was pretty famous under a different name already meant it wouldn't attract a lot of guilds. The sucky system didn't work as well(Obviously ''WoE-servers'' are defined as no-grind get everything for nothing kind of servers, which just plain doesn't work when the admin wants to make money)

Usually good WoE's are only found on BR/Spanish servers or Russian/czech superwoe-like servers.

What keeps people in low-rates are most likely one or more of the following reasons:
A) They like to grind/farm
B) They think high-rates are all 255 scrubby s***
C) Wannabe elitists that played the game ~6 years ago on some of the more major low-rate servers and think WoE is still superior at low-rates, while fighting 30 vs 30 vs 30 with outdated strategy.
D) They want to play with friends and don't really like WoE much, meaning they'll most likely only lvl/grind.

[lilmonsta95]

I love to woe, but havent found a decent server that has a halfway decent one.

[Orange]

What keeps people in low-rates are most likely one or more of the following reasons:
A) They like to grind/farm
B) They think high-rates are all 255 scrubby s***
C) Wannabe elitists that played the game ~6 years ago on some of the more major low-rate servers and think WoE is still superior at low-rates, while fighting 30 vs 30 vs 30 with outdated strategy.
D) They want to play with friends and don't really like WoE much, meaning they'll most likely only lvl/grind.

I play all rate servers, and a lot of different servers. B is surprisingly common, when I'm on a lowrate and someone asks what server I last played, and it was a highrate the response is almost always "eww highrates" if I ask why they're bad then they either have no answer or it's something like "nothing to do"(This comes from people who really enjoy PvP/BG/WoE, or just sitting in town talking, all of which are on highrates)

I play lowrates because I don't mind grinding, it's generally a better community and there are not many high pop highrates(I don't play anything over 99/70 99 stats)

The main problem with highrate WoE servers is usually the pop(You need at least the pop for constant/good BG) or they just die for some reason.

[datme]

The main problem with highrate WoE servers is usually the pop(You need at least the pop for constant/good BG) or they just die for some reason.

This is the second problem. The first problem is retarded admins that rather do things their way(Hey Pano) than listen to their community.
Then again, that's the main problem on most servers(Hey pumpkinRO), but on high-rates this can be even more fatal to your server because nothing is really keeping the players there, while on low-rates players usually won't leave due to already having grinded so much and not wanting to give that up and start over again(Which is weird since you're supposed to love the grind on low-rates~)

[Kyozoku]

it's not so much bad admins as hr players being extremely fickle and certain groups of players leaving servers when their demands aren't met to the t. perseus and other similar foreign administrators very much have their own way of doing things and yet his servers are still successful. it's just a different kind of playerbase.

[wireless]

hr players being extremely fickle and certain groups of players leaving servers when their demands aren't met to the t.

Low rate players are exactly the same 

[adhelle]

Almost all players are like that because there are too many possibilities of servers to pick.

[datme]

it's not so much bad admins as hr players being extremely fickle and certain groups of players leaving servers when their demands aren't met to the t. perseus and other similar foreign administrators very much have their own way of doing things and yet his servers are still successful. it's just a different kind of playerbase.

You do know the ChronosRO v3(and even 2 for that matter) playerbase was really similar to the vRO v2(and 1) playerbase? A lot of players/guilds from vRO played on chronos aswell.
Not to mention ChronosRO v3 only lasted a little while, so I wouldn't really call it successful. Otherwise you could call vRO v2 a success for attracting ~5 guilds of 48 during a period of ~2 weeks and then die out.

In the case of VisionRO v2 it was really Pano's fault. He should've implemented Harmony and not some s*** self-made nodelay protection that didn't work at all. Not to mention he still wanted to continue with the BG system even though everybody hated it.

Also wireless that's not really true, like I said before low-rate players will have a harder time leaving due to them having put a lot of work into their char whereas we(HR players) wouldn't really care at all.

[KitKatBar]

RO died in 2004 when WoW came out

The trend right now is Copying World of Warcraft [even RO is JUST NOW starting to copy] such as huge "!" or "?" over quest NPCs, Quest log, and everyone getting ride-able mounts

[tomosuke]

World of Whorecraft sucks because nothing compares to RO GvG
WoW is a PvM fags wet dream

[datme]

because nothing compares to RO GvG

dota

[MeowyMeow]

WoE servers; cater to guilds or expect nothing.(which NO admin would really do that, or GM team.)

This was a pretty good indicator before visionv2 had proper WoEs.

[glowness]

 Reason I heard from Brazilian and Pinoy players are because they can't afford higher specs comp to play other games so they stick with RO.  Or because their whole family are playing it so they found it fun to stick together.  Hey hey could some Br / Pinoy tell me is this correct? 

Yes it's true, buying a new computer with high specs in philippines is expensive, plus most pinoy players plays on computer shop or internet cafe who shares bandwidth and not that good computers.

[datme]

WoE servers; cater to guilds or expect nothing.(which NO admin would really do that, or GM team.)

This was a pretty good indicator before visionv2 had proper WoEs.

Guilds usually have conflicting interests though.

[MeowyMeow]

^

i'm sure there's common interests that everyone might look into; but imo, it's always like admins HATE/DO NOT WANT to cater to the major guilds for like less grind/more s*** or whatsoever, anyway lol

[datme]

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i'm sure there's common interests that everyone might look into; but imo, it's always like admins HATE/DO NOT WANT to cater to the major guilds for like less grind/more s*** or whatsoever, anyway lol

Idk for me it's not so much about catering, Pano did just plain screw up with his own nodelay protection. Not to mention the frequent DC's and bad BG system.

[glowness]

^

i'm sure there's common interests that everyone might look into; but imo, it's always like admins HATE/DO NOT WANT to cater to the major guilds for like less grind/more s*** or whatsoever, anyway lol

lot's of pinoy servers less grind and more on pvp, woe but the problem is the timezone

[datme]

too bad pinoy servers are the epitome of imbalance+they have a retarded community

[glowness]

true, plus they like teaming in pvp 
in pvp we are owning but in woe we fail, lots of us doesn't have teamwork specially me

[datme]

full buffed sinX's rolling the entire pvp room isn't exactly an epitome of pvp skill aswell

[glowness]

i heard that lot's of pinoys playing international server likes to play sinx with soul link but most of us prefer playing champ on pinoy server because most of pinoy server disabled the SL of sinx 

[Kyozoku]

@datme:
uhh not really i can only think of a couple of guilds that played on chronos that are part of the "high rate community" if you want to call it that. the rest are portugese that stick to that line of server. if its changed then i don't play anymore nor really care so...

pinoys are bad at pvp, they're bad at woe, they're bad at pretty much everything. i have never ever in 5+ years seen a single skilled pinoy. i've seen russians, i've seen brs, i've even seen south americans, but a filipino IP pretty much guarantees you suck.

[glowness]

that depends on what server you're playing ) basically pinoys migrate to international server because simply they can't beat real pinoy pros at pvp.. in other words what you're playing with is a 13-15 year old pinoy kid who plays on computer shop with 1mb internet speed sharing with 10+ computers  in connection

[tomosuke]

@Kyozoku
most are retarded, but not all. I know some Filipinos who are quite good at WoEing. Or at the very least they are decent.

@glowness
pvp is imbalanced and it sucks. WoE is where it's at. Sadly, for them its just zerg.

[glowness]

i totally agree with you! im good at pvp but when i got WoE   
no teamwork + experience and we don't have vent or teamspeak 

[datme]

@datme:
uhh not really i can only think of a couple of guilds that played on chronos that are part of the "high rate community" if you want to call it that. the rest are portugese that stick to that line of server. if its changed then i don't play anymore nor really care so...

WPE
Sinergy
Amnesia
JU/Gvgmode/qquit/waste of effort/whatever other name they had

All these guilds have been playing on both ChronosRO and visionRO, not to mention a lot of the spanish/br players from other guilds have played on vRO.
Ofcourse chronosRO had a vast amount of spanish/br guilds though. The playerbase is pretty similar, especially comparing vRO to Chronos v3 where the main playerbase was Sinergy+Amnesia+gvgmode(waste of effort)+random ~2 spanish guilds.

[Mystral]

pinoys are bad at pvp, they're bad at woe, they're bad at pretty much everything. i have never ever in 5+ years seen a single skilled pinoy. i've seen russians, i've seen brs, i've even seen south americans, but a filipino IP pretty much guarantees you suck.

Totally disagreed. As a matter of fact they always win internationally (official server) bearing Champs to Runner Up's.

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@Topic:
I always do love WOE's at High Rates and Low Rates. :3
Idk, I just like to see massive damages at High Rates and I like to see nice teamwork with effort grinding at Low Rates.

[Kyozoku]

pinoys are bad at pvp, they're bad at woe, they're bad at pretty much everything. i have never ever in 5+ years seen a single skilled pinoy. i've seen russians, i've seen brs, i've even seen south americans, but a filipino IP pretty much guarantees you suck.

Totally disagreed. As a matter of fact they always win internationally (official server) bearing Champs to Runner Up's.

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@Topic:
I always do love WOE's at High Rates and Low Rates. :3
Idk, I just like to see massive damages at High Rates and I like to see nice teamwork with effort grinding at Low Rates.

have you seen how bad official server play is?

[Chojiro]

^

i'm sure there's common interests that everyone might look into; but imo, it's always like admins HATE/DO NOT WANT to cater to the major guilds for like less grind/more s*** or whatsoever, anyway lol

Idk for me it's not so much about catering, Pano did just plain screw up with his own nodelay protection. Not to mention the frequent DC's and bad BG system.

Everyone I asked loved team deathmatch. He did listen to people. He just released the server too early for himself to make changes.

Winning official server is great. I wish I was there.

[MeowyMeow]

Everyone I asked loved team deathmatch. He did listen to people. He just released the server too early for himself to make changes.

yap.

[KitKatBar]

pinoys are bad at pvp, they're bad at woe, they're bad at pretty much everything. i have never ever in 5+ years seen a single skilled pinoy. i've seen russians, i've seen brs, i've even seen south americans, but a filipino IP pretty much guarantees you suck.

Totally disagreed. As a matter of fact they always win internationally (official server) bearing Champs to Runner Up's.

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@Topic:
I always do love WOE's at High Rates and Low Rates. :3
Idk, I just like to see massive damages at High Rates and I like to see nice teamwork with effort grinding at Low Rates.

have you seen how bad official server play is?

Its not BAD they just have to make their characters PvM orientated and had these characters BEFORE the stun immune gears came out
it does take ages to level on 1x even if people say it can be done in 1month

[fluidin]

the pinoys did get 3rd place in ragnarok world championships. i guess that counts for something.

at least i'll admit that there are pro pinoys, but i can't say much for the rest of the majority

[datme]

The RWC is however, under a certain set of rules and not really PvP itself. Pinoys are however quite great at it. Too bad they think they can win WoE with RWC builds(as in, play without marc cards)

Also Chojiro what the f*** was team deathmatch

[tomosuke]

AFAIK, pinoys are good at this game... as long as they're not actually from pinoyland.

[datme]

AFAIK, pinoys are good at this game... as long as they're not actually from pinoyland.

this.

[tomosuke]

pinoyland has bad internetz

[MeowyMeow]