TalonRO Could Be Good But...

Koreth · Mar 30, 2015, 09:30 PM

Heads up I don't know if this belongs in the Rant section or here so I am going to post it here.

I recently started TalonRO server getting back into RO after not playing for several years because explaining it to a few friends got them interested and I was checking it out as a possible server to play. I played for less than 48 hours before getting banned...

It was actually going very well as the server reviews and forums painted a great picture in terms of balance, stability (mostly), and economy as well as playerbase. The amount of players was also good at a 400-2k value depending on time of day (possibly including some amount of vendors). When I was playing people were very friendly and two players, in particular, were friendly/helpful (Forvir and Bollen's or something close, might be mispelled). Thanks to both of you for the assistance in my brief time playing.

So... what happened?

A few players were trash talking in the !main chat (global chat channel) and GM Boreas logged on to see this and complained about seeing it every time he logs on (can't blame him there). Players continued so he banned them. Not too long later he begins trash talking, himself, and after he finished his rant he promptly banned the player he just yelled at and told to "shut the f*** up", etc. before the player could even reply/defend their self. GM Boreas then made a threat in chat about misbehavior or risking ban (but not so nicely put). I don't know the player who got banned but didn't see GM Boreas' way of speaking as... appropriate, particularly considering he is trying to get others to behave while acting extremely aggressive/unapproachable (as seen from a new player).

I made a reply in !main telling Boreas not to take my statement the wrong way but perhaps he could phrase things a bit better so he doesn't come off so nasty (didn't say the nasty part, explicitly) and followed with people really should follow the rules and not trash talk/etc. so they don't get banned (referring to those who were trash talking/viewing chat, I mean it is a simple concept, right?).

Immediately after GM Boreas states Another banned... and I am booted from the server and client and banned until investigation complete (what it states when I try to log in). I waited a bit but still couldn't log in so I wasn't intending to play that server any further, which I will cover below.

The rules are you can only make one forum account which holds your multiple in game accounts. I couldn't make a forum post, either since I was banned. I decided to make an alternate forum account, doesn't matter if I get perma banned because I do not intend to play any further after this nonsense, and logged into the game.

I stated in !main That I was a completely new player and had intended to bring some friends to the server but am now quitting. I would like to thank everyone for the help given to me, particularly Forvir and Bollen, but do not intend to remain. What was the point when you have abusive/corrupt GMs like GM Boreas who abuse their power to ban at whim for no reason at all even when it is something as simple as be careful how you phrase your statements so you don't come off so badly.

Just after saying this before I could log out I am immediately banned. This time I am perma banned for "multiple accounts", really simply to ensure that I don't mention any of this on his own forums which is, honestly, run as something akin to a dictatorship with how the account/banning system works and if you even so much as speak out.

I posted a review on RMS and got a funny reply.

My review by Koreth:
"Lag issues but new servers being looked into. Community was extremely friendly/helpful as a new player (particularly Forvir/Ballon, probably mispelled). Everything seems pretty solid, almost... Just one problem... GM Boreas actively abuses his power. He will insult others and then ban after he finishes trash talking. I stated in !main that he should phrase his statements better and not to take that offensively and it resulted in an immediate ban. Why invest time to be casually banned for nothin"
Rating: 69
Server
Stability: 7
Availability: 10 Community
Friendliness: 10
Eventfulness: 8 Game Masters
Friendliness: 1
Availability: 8
Helpfulness: 1 Game-play
Economy: 8
Guild Competition: 8
Class Balance: 8

The owner's reply to the review:
"Thank you for your review. Nobody abuses his powers, you simply had multiple forum accounts, which is against our server rules, and was banned because of that. While it might seem "nothing" to you, we constantly remind our players of this rule. Good luck finding a new server."

Interesting considering what just happened and the reason I had multiple forum accounts. That is not the reason I was banned. Good luck? I'm already in luck because I won't get randomly banned after investing real cash and time into the server, a server as you can see I voted as being quite favorable bar GM corruption. I don't know if other GMs are an issue but I do know that simply Googling GM Boreas TalonRO results in a number of hits on the first page about issues, specifically, with GM Boreas and his character as a GM and apparent abuse of power. Some of it is more of an issue of his behavior/attitude when handling things while others may be gross abuse of his position as GM. He clearly lets his ego get to him, and this only further reflects and enforces why what happened with my experience is an issue.

Example issues with GM Boreas:
1. http://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-reviews/talonro-problems/ (Notices identical issues related to GM Boreas behavior and ego I am posting about)
2. http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/talonro(gm)-review/ (There is proof apparently shown and communications with GM Boreas that go beyond questionable and show a very egotistic personality that really doesn't give a damn willing to do whatever he pleases.
3. http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/careful-with-talonro-donated-832-dollars-in-2-month-and-no-help!/5/?wap2 (As you can see from the chat logs and GM Boreas' response he has some personality flaws that are rather severe)

I stopped after those three, enough to reinforce a point. (If you want to see more, however, feel free to check http://forum.ratemyserver.net/index.php?action=search2).

If I am not mistaken GM Boreas is also the person who owns the server which means the issue isn't going to dispel. I very strongly suggest avoiding the server, completely, which is unfortunate as it seems like an ideal server for many if not for one extremely problematic person.

TalonRO reviews: http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=serverstat&serid=1491&itv=6&url_sname=TalonRO&page_num=1

snowblind · Mar 30, 2015, 11:14 PM

This doesn't surprise me. I've had similar experiences when I played on that server. Half our guild actually got banned for sharing accounts with one particular person who the GMs didn't like. Also noteworthy are the excessive censorship on the forums and GMs actively stalking players only to ban them several times, when they never harmed the server or its players. Surely there are better ways to spend your free time...

Well, you've provided enough examples of Boreas' problematic behaviour, so I don't think further proof is necessary. I can only urge players to use their own judgement and carefully consider if they want to deal with admins like that.

TabooRo · Mar 30, 2015, 11:15 PM

Sad..You would think the owner of such large server would behave more professionally..

I guess he has so many players online that he doesn't mind banning a few here and there

Good luck finding a better server!

Innomite · Mar 31, 2015, 01:15 AM

It is not a surprise.

You know, that kind of "power abuse" is also seen in these forums... so yeah, that's a thing.

Neffletics · Mar 31, 2015, 09:11 AM

How I wish you've taken a screenshot lol
Anyway, I'm not surprised that he's banning people easily since his server's population is big, he'll be like "You're not loss, gtfo". Good luck on finding a new server, I hope the staffs of your new server won't ban you for criticism :p

Koreth · Mar 31, 2015, 12:43 PM

Quote from: Neffletics on Mar 31, 2015, 09:11 AM
How I wish you've taken a screenshot lol
Anyway, I'm not surprised that he's banning people easily since his server's population is big, he'll be like "You're not loss, gtfo". Good luck on finding a new server, I hope the staffs of your new server won't ban you for criticism :p

I would have loved to, or even better recorded via Shadowplay but he has the client setup to close the application entirely the moment you get banned from the server (likely to avoid any such shadow recording features, etc.).

IvoryMouse · Apr 30, 2015, 05:44 PM

I actually started TalonRO today. Looks like that server is going into the Recycle Bin. Lol.

Irreverence · May 01, 2015, 12:30 AM

Utterly unprofessional. Good god.

Ewol · May 01, 2015, 01:02 AM

If only TalonRO closed too... we might be able to get one more good RO server.

Charity Case · May 01, 2015, 01:34 AM

Quote from: Ewol on May 01, 2015, 01:02 AM
If only TalonRO closed too... we might be able to get one more good RO server.

ggro is gone, thank god.
few bad servers like talonro out the window and we could actually get one or two legit servers.......but that probably wont happen

Im surprised talonro is still on the rms server listing, they have more then plenty proof of foul play and it should have been removed long time ago. but thats not my job so yeah....... just seems rms is pretty lenient on stuff like this.

DeePee · May 01, 2015, 03:05 AM

The bitterness of some of you people is real.

It's only natural that after being up for more than 8 years, we'll get some haters and angry people. Good thing that thousands of people enjoy playing on our server daily though

For them we keep working hard to make the server an enjoyable place to play with growing amounts of content and customization options.

To all the bitter people: we're not going anywhere, sorry.

ryosuky · May 01, 2015, 03:56 AM

Well some of the server that are high populated will have this kind of issue well it just base on the server how to take action the server should be professional.. Well there are alot of of server that are good gm, player are friendly, helpfull but the server are lack of player example leika,hero ro well its doest mean that low player online make the server bad... sorrry for my broken english.. the main part are its how the server take action on the report based on what our friend here say with all the evidance the gm on ther server/should not say its hatred to the server but it will say example "well we will look/investigate in this problem and will take action if the gm are wrong" be professional not for just talonro but for all the private ro.. well sorry again for my broken english tyvm..

Wyvern · May 01, 2015, 03:22 PM

Talon caters to a particular community, so whether is goes down or not won't matter to me. Although the biggest issue in that server from what I can see is Boreas, so that should probably be improved.

Decist · May 02, 2015, 06:57 AM

Quote from: DeePee on May 01, 2015, 03:05 AM
The bitterness of some of you people is real.

It's only natural that after being up for more than 8 years, we'll get some haters and angry people. Good thing that thousands of people enjoy playing on our server daily though For them we keep working hard to make the server an enjoyable place to play with growing amounts of content and customization options.

To all the bitter people: we're not going anywhere, sorry.

Your server is quite good. But it could get even bigger if you remove those damned custom items that separates the community into two (Vanilla WOE/PVP and RICH kids WOE/PVP). Also, you integrated boss cards as part of donation, which is a major turn off for most hard core players out there. Heck, I mean come on, GGRO was able to amass players in a short amount of time because of not having the features that your server has.

GM Boreas also who likes meddling with player affairs. I remember getting most of our guild mates muted due to talking back to the opposing trash talking guild. And guess what, the other guild didn't get muted at all. Also, I got muted by your GM team multiple times because of KSing. Even though I didn't KS at all, I got reported without ever having any proper proof (eg. hitting a monster first and then this dude hits it and takes a screenshot. Boom, reported = mute). Well anyway, that was a very long time ago.

I didn't mind being ksed by other players at all, so long as they let me do the same. the problem is when I do the same to the kser, he will secretly report me without even telling me to stop. And you think that is good enough to f*** mute a player?

Learn from GGRO, they odn't have any s*** rules like what your server. The only problem they had is a s*** authority/corruption crisis.

IvoryMouse · May 02, 2015, 09:26 AM

Quote from: DeePee on May 01, 2015, 03:05 AM
The bitterness of some of you people is real.

It's only natural that after being up for more than 8 years, we'll get some haters and angry people. Good thing that thousands of people enjoy playing on our server daily though For them we keep working hard to make the server an enjoyable place to play with growing amounts of content and customization options.

To all the bitter people: we're not going anywhere, sorry.

It's not bitterness, it's called being real. If you must delude yourself into thinking your server is the cream of the crop, then you need to sit down and re-think your life. Each server has their up's and down's. If you can't come to terms on how your server has potentially screwed another player over who writes reviews, then that's on you. "Haters/Angry People" these people are the ones who either make or break servers. If they write detailed reviews going over their experience on your server, then I'm sorry to say people are going to move away from your server.. You've been here for 8 year, that's great but let me give you a bit of advice a wise man once told me when I was a child. Nothing last forever, things eventually come to an end. This includes life itself. The longevity of your server solely rest on the shoulders of your playerbase. If they are not happy, you will very much hear and see about it in no time flat.

DeePee · May 02, 2015, 09:37 AM

Quote from: Decist on May 02, 2015, 06:57 AM
Your server is quite good. But it could get even bigger if you remove those damned custom items that separates the community into two (Vanilla WOE/PVP and RICH kids WOE/PVP). Also, you integrated boss cards as part of donation, which is a major turn off for most hard core players out there. Heck, I mean come on, GGRO was able to amass players in a short amount of time because of not having the features that your server has.

GM Boreas also who likes meddling with player affairs. I remember getting most of our guild mates muted due to talking back to the opposing trash talking guild. And guess what, the other guild didn't get muted at all. Also, I got muted by your GM team multiple times because of KSing. Even though I didn't KS at all, I got reported without ever having any proper proof (eg. hitting a monster first and then this dude hits it and takes a screenshot. Boom, reported = mute). Well anyway, that was a very long time ago.

I didn't mind being ksed by other players at all, so long as they let me do the same. the problem is when I do the same to the kser, he will secretly report me without even telling me to stop. And you think that is good enough to f*** mute a player?

Learn from GGRO, they odn't have any s*** rules like what your server. The only problem they had is a s*** authority/corruption crisis.

It doesn't really separate the community. Most of our players like our custom items and enjoy playing with them in, for example, PvM. Then in WoE and PvP they may decide to play Vanilla style or they can in fact play both. WoE times are separated so they can join all types they desire

We are not catering towards hardcore players at all because they are not a stable community. Most hardcore players server hop all the time and just want to join the "next big thing". A lot of them are quite toxic, which you could see at ggRO's community. It was really, really bad (perhaps even the most toxic community I've ever seen on a RO server) and we don't ever want to have a community like they did. Part of it was due to the GMs just not caring about KSing and trashtalking or just being lazy. What I've noticed there however is that players were really, really toxic and it was not a community I'd like to join.

While tRO might be strict, it keeps our community mostly friendly and to me it's a much nicer place to stay. I'd rather go for the casual player than for the hardcore RO player because of those reasons. ggRO only got a lot of players because of hype. It initially got big because of HotshotGG's involvement and after the initial burst of players it became a hype that everyone had to join because everyone and their mother was playing it. However, their community demanded big updates pretty much every week. No GM team could ever satisfy them, no matter how much they do their best. That's part of the downfall. Not just HotshotGG's disappearance, not Cookie's involvement but for a large part the toxic and demanding community. I definitely do not want to "learn" from them as there is literally nothing worth learning from that server, no matter how big they were.

And while it seems that GMs are unfair and unjust at times, in a timespan of 8 years I don't think it's that bad at all. Sure, mistakes are made at times, both from a player's side and a GM's side but after being up for so many years, things like those just happen. If you count all the ranting topics on RMS you'll notice that at least half of them are by players who are ranting because they were banned or punished while only a few are about other matters. Again, in a timespan of 8 years, that's not a lot at all.

I perfectly understand that our server does not cater towards all kinds of players. We inherited a server (animaRO) that was mostly focused on donating. You cannot just wipe a server like that or get rid of the items that people grow accustomed to, that's a death sentence to the server. Instead we chose to work with what we had and make things more accessible to every player out there. Implementing a reward system that allows the common players to obtain these gears, adding powerful rental items that can be obtained through questing and hunting, adding the Vanilla mode to cater towards those who want a more "original" RO experience, et cetera.

Again, I understand completely that TalonRO is not for everyone. The same goes for many servers out there though. We all focus on different kinds of players and that's perfectly fine. We decided we want to focus on players who just enjoy socializing, playing together and who like high-paced end-game action and in the end it's working for us. If we would have focused on hardcore RO players, the server would have died 7 years ago.

Quote from: IvoryMouse on May 02, 2015, 09:26 AM
It's not bitterness, it's called being real. If you must delude yourself into thinking your server is the cream of the crop, then you need to sit down and re-think your life. Each server has their up's and down's. If you can't come to terms on how your server has potentially screwed another player over who writes reviews, then that's on you. "Haters/Angry People" these people are the ones who either make or break servers. If they write detailed reviews going over their experience on your server, then I'm sorry to say people are going to move away from your server.. You've been here for 8 year, that's great but let me give you a bit of advice a wise man once told me when I was a child. Nothing last forever, things eventually come to an end. This includes life itself. The longevity of your server solely rest on the shoulders of your playerbase. If they are not happy, you will very much hear and see about it in no time flat.

You are just forgetting one thing: our community in fact is quite happy. People on RMS seem to have this impression that TalonRO is a horrible place to play and that nobody enjoys it, but that's not the case at all. We have a lot of players because people enjoy playing our server. There have been a couple of these extensive reviews but they don't really affect things at all. There are only a few "incidents" that have led people to write angry reviews but keep in mind that we have thousands of players. One or two angry reviews on RMS does not mean that our playerbase is not happy; quite the contrary in fact. Nobody claims that we are the best server. There are always things to improve (especially when it comes to PvP and WoE) and we continue to work hard to make the server a more enjoyable place to stay. Nothing lasts forever indeed, but as long as people keep enjoying our server, we keep working to provide them with a fun Ragnarok experience.

IvoryMouse · May 02, 2015, 10:12 AM

I believe you guys were called ScytheRO back in the day right

I had fun on ScytheRO. I haven't officially tried Talon out yet, so I might give you guys a shot.

DeePee · May 02, 2015, 10:15 AM

Nope, we've never been ScytheRO

Cawliflower · May 04, 2015, 03:18 PM

TalonRO is a consistent, stable server with a loyal, dedicated and reliable staff team. Quite frankly, it has proved its placement and I don't really see it going anywhere/changing dramatically from a nit-picky review on RMS. Could be wrong, anyway. I'm sure they at least read the reviews, and consider the ideas proposed though. Anyway, they've got a niche audience that appreciates the customization, and changes they've made to the game along-side the custom content. I must say, I'm quite impressed with their new editions of the Talonian. Kudos to Boreas and his team - it's very new-age web and modern. Too bad Gravity never got with the program.

IvoryMouse · May 05, 2015, 10:38 PM

Suffice to say I can't mess with Talon RO I don't like Low Rate RO Servers. Too boring for me. If I wanted low rate I'd go play retail.

infinityring · May 10, 2015, 11:43 AM

I never thought I would see this! hahahahaha

I was just banned. 20 mins ago. (Just check the time I posted this xD)

And guess what? GM Boreas banned me for creating a name, named after Hitler (My name was The Fuhrer, not even the actual name.) His reason?

He's German and there might be Jews in the server. Server Rules?

"Don't make a name that might directly or indirectly hurt other players." Report from other players? 0. Boreas' sensitivity? 999999999.

His reply? (while I was using "sir" to completely respect him) "I'm German. And do you know what that man did? We don't need you here. Good luck finding another server."

I was about to take a screeny but in a matter of secs, "You're not allowed to post in this forum." "Chose a name of a horrible dictator who killed millions of people."

What makes it interesting is that: 1st, Nobody reported. 2nd, he was the one who was DIRECTLY hurt.

Note: Be mindful if you play this server, the GM is incredibly sensitive. xD

Extra Notes (xD): Professionalism is what I'm after not your s*** reviews or being no. 1 blah blah blah (Like what? He could have warned the player and ask the player to get a support ticket to change his name. This server offers it, right?)

DeePee · May 10, 2015, 11:46 AM

Or...you just don't name yourself The Fuhrer? We received various reports about it. No sane person would make names like that.

Suspension · May 10, 2015, 11:49 AM

Quote from: DeePee on May 10, 2015, 11:46 AM
Or...you just don't name yourself The Fuhrer? We received various reports about it. No sane person would make names like that.

Why not? It just means "Leader".

Adolf Hitler was a fuhrer, but not every fuhrer was Adolf Hitler.

infinityring · May 10, 2015, 11:51 AM

Quote from: Suspension on May 10, 2015, 11:49 AM
Why not? It just means "Leader".

Adolf Hitler was a fuhrer, but not every fuhrer was Adolf Hitler.

Well, I understand their "emotions" bro. It's like saying "This stuff doesn't have a good quality. Oh, it's made in China." (If you get my point.) But, what I couldn't stand is just the "not being professional."

And one more thing though, if he was German, he would have thought the same way but didn't. He couldn't move on not like our Jap friends who, most of them, are professional in dealing with these kinds of topic.

Quote from: DeePee on May 10, 2015, 11:46 AM
Or...you just don't name yourself The Fuhrer? We received various reports about it. No sane person would make names like that.

Your server offers a change name right? iirc. Your GM Boreas should have used it and not directly ban a player.

DeePee · May 10, 2015, 11:53 AM

Quote from: Suspension on May 10, 2015, 11:49 AM
Why not? It just means "Leader".

Adolf Hitler was a fuhrer, but not every fuhrer was Adolf Hitler.

For the same reason that a black swastika on a red flag is not deemed appropriate. Some names are just not appropriate and people choose these purposely while acting innocent. That just doesn't fly.

We have received multiple reports about your name, so yes, it's offensive to quite some people. You were asked multiple times why you'd use that name and said that you used Hitler's "nickname". That's just something we don't want on the server.

Suspension · May 10, 2015, 12:23 PM

Quote from: DeePee on May 10, 2015, 11:53 AM
For the same reason that a black swastika on a red flag is not deemed appropriate.

It's not the same. You're describing directly the nazi flag. Maybe the swastika alone could be comparable, but yet again that's people missinformation.

QuoteWe have received multiple reports about your name, so yes, it's offensive to quite some people.

What? I don't even know your server. Was that intended for other person?

infinityring · May 10, 2015, 12:27 PM

Quote from: Suspension on May 10, 2015, 12:23 PM
It's not the same. You're describing directly the nazi flag. Maybe the swastika alone could be comparable, but yet again that's people missinformation.

What? I don't even know your server. Was that intended for other person?

It was for me bro. Sorry about that.

Quote from: DeePee on May 10, 2015, 11:53 AM
For the same reason that a black swastika on a red flag is not deemed appropriate. Some names are just not appropriate and people choose these purposely while acting innocent. That just doesn't fly.

We have received multiple reports about your name, so yes, it's offensive to quite some people.

Multiple reports? (I'm a person who is evidence-based. He should have given me some links about this.)And, If the GM Team was really active in this server, I would have been banned since the first week I joined the community, I was even chatting in !main for quite some time. Why am I banned just now? Because I was chatting with people in !main and "he" saw it.

Anyway, I understand your side since that's your view on the server. And again, the important thing was that he would have dealt with the problem professionally.

IvoryMouse · May 10, 2015, 04:03 PM

Quote from: DeePee on May 10, 2015, 11:53 AM
For the same reason that a black swastika on a red flag is not deemed appropriate. Some names are just not appropriate and people choose these purposely while acting innocent. That just doesn't fly.

We have received multiple reports about your name, so yes, it's offensive to quite some people. You were asked multiple times why you'd use that name and said that you used Hitler's "nickname". That's just something we don't want on the server.

That's a crapshoot lie. If that was the case Full Metal Alchemist would've been taken off the air. King Bradley or The Furher in this case was the leader of Central, and Full Metal Alchemist was based on the principles and ranks of the german army. Furher in German means leader. Just like in the english language President means Leader of the United States. It's a title which shows authority. Why people are insecure NOW with this years generation about an incident that had nothing to do with them is beyond me. I don't care if it was their ancestors. It wasn't them directly. To those sensitive people out there, eat a bowl of cement and harden the hell up please. This is nonsense.

It's even worse if the GM condoned it, you have the ability to change people's names. You should've done that instead of straight up banning out of malice. It makes me wonder about the people who run their servers are so insecure, that they just block things out instead of actually talking like a reasonable adult. That's my $0.02 on this topic.

Ewol · May 11, 2015, 07:42 AM

Glad I never played this server. That's stupid as hell.

DeePee · May 11, 2015, 07:57 AM

Glad you never did, indeed. We enjoy our community with minimal bad apples for 8 years and counting

In the end, we have strict rules and it works for us. If one decides to not follow them, that's their own responsibility.

infinityring · May 11, 2015, 08:38 AM

What I really couldn't understand is that I've been playing DreamerRO. Had the worst name ever (In-game names: Le Libog Menyakis, Sexual Intimacy, La Bomba De Kama.) But, was never banned. And I've been playing for almost 2 years.

Well, that what makes their server unique. A "power-abusing" GM.

DeePee · May 11, 2015, 08:55 AM

Every server has their own set of rules and ways of following them. A good example was ggRO. GMs didn't care at all about the things people did and it resulted in one of the most toxic communities I've ever seen on a RO server. On TalonRO the rules are strict and so far it has worked out just fine for us.

IvoryMouse · May 11, 2015, 11:08 AM

Quote from: DeePee on May 11, 2015, 07:57 AM
Glad you never did, indeed. We enjoy our community with minimal bad apples for 8 years and counting

In the end, we have strict rules and it works for us. If one decides to not follow them, that's their own responsibility.

Yes because trying to justify your own sense of warped ruling is acceptable.

It would've made more sense of the guy named his toon Adolf Hitler, but just The Fuhrer is fine. It's a title given to Germany's Leader.
It makes me wonder what most GMs are doing and why they're so sensitive and how come most of them are either corrupt/ignorant or just plain stupid.

DeePee · May 11, 2015, 11:14 AM

Opinions will be opinions. In the end this is our server, not yours. While you may think it's "warped ruling", that's just one person's opinion.

We have received a couple of reports from players about this guy and decided to side with said players regarding this matter. Simple.

Cawliflower · May 11, 2015, 12:31 PM

Quote from: DeePee on May 11, 2015, 08:55 AM
Every server has their own set of rules and ways of following them. A good example was ggRO. GMs didn't care at all about the things people did and it resulted in one of the most toxic communities I've ever seen on a RO server. On TalonRO the rules are strict and so far it has worked out just fine for us.

Great example, actually, and not my doing. I actually forewarned this in the beginning of ggRO. Totally agree with you on that though. You've got to set precedence which I think TalonRO did well.

Quote from: Ewol on May 11, 2015, 07:42 AM
Glad I never played this server. That's stupid as hell.

Why wasn't I this lucky... and you have self-proclaimed hatred towards me... yet, I still can't dodge you playing my servers.

Yes, yes, be very happy Ewol never played your server. He's a nuisance, bad apple, annoying (to the degree a fly is... you don't really care about it), etc.

Ewol · May 11, 2015, 01:14 PM

Quote from: Cawliflower on May 11, 2015, 12:31 PM
Great example, actually, and not my doing. I actually forewarned this in the beginning of ggRO. Totally agree with you on that though. You've got to set precedence which I think TalonRO did well.
Why wasn't I this lucky... and you have self-proclaimed hatred towards me... yet, I still can't dodge you playing my servers.

Yes, yes, be very happy Ewol never played your server. He's a nuisance, bad apple, annoying (to the degree a fly is... you don't really care about it), etc.

Your servers are very entertaining though. Making another soon?

It's funny you say that when you enjoyed my conversations oh so much. <3

Ewol · May 11, 2015, 01:21 PM

Quote from: DeePee on May 11, 2015, 07:57 AM
Glad you never did, indeed. We enjoy our community with minimal bad apples for 8 years and counting

In the end, we have strict rules and it works for us. If one decides to not follow them, that's their own responsibility.

You enjoy having a community that has no freedom of speech. Your rules are so strict your community can't breathe and express itself. Your players walk on eggshells afraid to share an unwanted opinion incase it results in their account being banned. Exactly as ggRO was.

DeePee · May 11, 2015, 01:29 PM

Please come up with a topic on our forum where people have been banned for their opinion.

Having an opinion isn't the same thing as insulting people, you know

We in fact barely ever ban anyone for being disrespectful or rude. There are a few cases that just don't go, though. Stay respectful and everything's fine.

Quote from: Cawliflower on May 11, 2015, 12:31 PM
Great example, actually, and not my doing. I actually forewarned this in the beginning of ggRO. Totally agree with you on that though. You've got to set precedence which I think TalonRO did well.

It was a bit weird to see, yeah :/ People were blaming everyone and everything except for themselves, haha.

Triper · May 11, 2015, 03:18 PM

It's their servers, their rules, their business, either you follow it or play another server like any local shop as was stated in tons of other topics by many, even myself.

Let's call it a day.