some people hold needless grudges.....

Started by finklestein, Oct 11, 2007, 05:22 PM

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finklestein

A very large amount of people seem to have hate for servers like Euph and Anima, because of things in the past or factors that are irrelevant to the game itself. I really dont care that euph was corrupt in the past, it looks like an awesome server minus the no resetting and job quests. Same with anima, the GMs are nice and there are helpful players, seeing as i never encountered one of the many elitist players that people here described. Stop overexaggerating small flaws in servers and holding grudges. I sure as hell dont.

Anima has no problems in my eyes, it was my first server and it is the only server other than the talon ripoff that has that kind of MvP card economy on such low rates. To me, its something unique that really makes the server stande out. The GMs never bugged me or banned me needlessly, because i followed the rules and didnt get pwned by kyrie lmao. Only reason i quit anima was due to lag, but its prolly due to the fact i live in ontario and the server is far away.


Mirandu

Exactly! I don't see why so many people (especially 90% of the RMS people here) like to bash every aRO thread.

What could it be? Probably payback, because some of them got banned. Envy? Could be, too. Well, I don't say everything which was said here about AnimaRO is a lie - but seriously: WHO CARES? Lol.
Who cares, what some banned player says on his "Truth" site? Yeah, it's his opinion, and probably justified, but ehh - do you guys all live in the past? You always tell us stories about AnimaRO's past, more than one year ago (I only play for 1 year and 3-4 months). I NEVER encountered any corruption problems, and the GMs were always fair and nice when I played. So why would anyone care about the past?

It's a game! And most people here behave like the old people: There's nothing to do for them, so they have to fret about everything they see.

I just go on this forum from time to time to laugh about these things: Whenever someone tries to praise AnimaRO, a Mod or Admin comes and tells him to stop, then the whole Anti-AnimaRO-Crew bashes the thread, and a war begins between Supporters and Enemies.
Really.. ridiculous ;D

As long as you can play on the server and have fun, there's nothing to whine about!
So yeah, most people here should grow up, move on to their own server and be fair business partners.

Oh, and always keep in mind: Drama makes your server popular~ ;)
Still confused, but on a higher level.

Guest

lol personally i just dun like euphRO cause of its functions as for anima i never played there so i dun judge it
and i just have this feeling that this topic is going to end badly Dx

Quotethose who don't know their past are doomed to repeat it

finklestein

if idiots want to turn this inot a flame war that wasnt supposed to happen, let them. They are only further proving my point.

BMontgomery

Quote from: finklestein on Oct 11, 2007, 05:22 PM
factors that are irrelevant to the game itself.

Like it or not, some people do care about what goes on behind the scenes of a server that they are supporting and playing on. At face value, the 2 servers you mention are and can be fun servers to play on, but underlying factors can ruin it for some folks.

I look at it this way...an off the wall analogy, I know, but it's all the same, or so I think. Take African WAR DIAMONDS for example. Some of those diamonds are damned nice, and at face value are equal to any other diamond on the market, but the money these diamonds generate go towards the war efforts of various Rebels....we are talking about some sick stuff here. Diamond for diamond, they are no different, but what goes on behind the scenes of the WAR DIAMONDS and what goes on behind the scenes of the rest of the diamond industry is not one and the same. To many people this matters, and that is why much of the diamond industry has shunned away those diamonds. Most people like their money and support to be going towards some kind of legitamate cause, myself included.

EuphRO's money went towards drugs...I don't know what is going on now though.

AnimaRO's money goes to Harkens legal problems...getting sued for SEVERAL GRAND by Debbie's mom and most recently copyright infraction charges due to the stolen software he uses (that is why the site is down, don't ask me to prove this because I can't any better than anyone can prove anything in this kind of setting).The latter is still an open case and exactly what will come of the charges is not known yet.

Some don't care what goes on behind the scenes and some do. I don't like the idea of playing at a corruption house regardless of the quality of game play nor do I like buying war diamonds from Africa. Again, odd example, I know, but I think you get the point.

bensei

I just agree with the op. Also, Noone should care whats "behind the scences" in the gms RL. The only thing that matters is the game. =)

DeePee

Quote from: finklestein on Oct 11, 2007, 05:22 PM
A very large amount of people seem to have hate for servers like Euph and Anima, because of things in the past or factors that are irrelevant to the game.

Anima has no problems in my eyes, it was my first server and it is the only server other than the talon ripoff.

This seems kinda contradicting...

Transcend

Quote from: finklestein on Oct 11, 2007, 08:09 PM
if idiots want to turn this inot a flame war that wasnt supposed to happen, let them. They are only further proving my point.
When anyone makes an aRO topic, it's generaly TO flame aRO, or the RMS community that dosen't like aRO.
As to euph, we <3 euph :D only a few don't like euphRO

Mirandu

Quote from: BMontgomery on Oct 12, 2007, 01:32 AM
Quote from: finklestein on Oct 11, 2007, 05:22 PM
factors that are irrelevant to the game itself.

Like it or not, some people do care about what goes on behind the scenes of a server that they are supporting and playing on. At face value, the 2 servers you mention are and can be fun servers to play on, but underlying factors can ruin it for some folks.

I look at it this way...an off the wall analogy, I know, but it's all the same, or so I think. Take African WAR DIAMONDS for example. Some of those diamonds are damned nice, and at face value are equal to any other diamond on the market, but the money these diamonds generate go towards the war efforts of various Rebels....we are talking about some sick stuff here. Diamond for diamond, they are no different, but what goes on behind the scenes of the WAR DIAMONDS and what goes on behind the scenes of the rest of the diamond industry is not one and the same. To many people this matters, and that is why much of the diamond industry has shunned away those diamonds. Most people like their money and support to be going towards some kind of legitamate cause, myself included.

EuphRO's money went towards drugs...I don't know what is going on now though.

AnimaRO's money goes to Harkens legal problems...getting sued for SEVERAL GRAND by Debbie's mom and most recently copyright infraction charges due to the stolen software he uses (that is why the site is down, don't ask me to prove this because I can't any better than anyone can prove anything in this kind of setting).The latter is still an open case and exactly what will come of the charges is not known yet.

Some don't care what goes on behind the scenes and some do. I don't like the idea of playing at a corruption house regardless of the quality of game play nor do I like buying war diamonds from Africa. Again, odd example, I know, but I think you get the point.

As I said before: It IS a game, not a Diamond War ;D Way to make yourself look kinda ridiculous, if you care so much about everything and their mom.

Well, and if you know what's going on behind the scenes, the downtime of the website and so on, then be happy and enjoy your life. Because I think that 90% of the server's population does not care about what happens to the money - it's still a free server, donations are optional, and - let's be honest - most people just donate to get gear and items, not to support the server in any way, so I don't really think they care what happens behind the scenes, as long as they can play. Well, and if the server goes down with all the money they donated - bad luck? Why would anyone donate into an illegal server anyway (every private RO server)? It's always linked to a risk.

So please, keep your "knowledge" by yourself and let's all be happy, right? :D

Oh, by the way, Hi Ben! ;)
Still confused, but on a higher level.

Skotlex

If players don't care at all, someone is bound to take advantage of that. Suppose the existence of a MafiaRO (not affiliated to the actual MafiaRO if it exists) which were ran by ... well, the russian mafia. And supposed they used this money to further their own goals. The players of the server should not care, right? Because all that matters is the game itself, the ethical issues that the maintainers may be going through are irrelevant. You pay for your service (via donations) and beyond that it is none of your concerns. It should not matter a bit if the product you acquired was produced through child labor or slavery.

On the other side of the scale, if players care too much we get RMS.

I think you get the idea.

(RMS reviews)

bensei

Quote from: Skotlex on Oct 12, 2007, 08:01 AM
If players don't care at all, someone is bound to take advantage of that. Suppose the existence of a MafiaRO (not affiliated to the actual MafiaRO if it exists) which were ran by ... well, the russian mafia. And supposed they used this money to further their own goals. The players of the server should not care, right? Because all that matters is the game itself, the ethical issues that the maintainers may be going through are irrelevant. You pay for your service (via donations) and beyond that it is none of your concerns. It should not matter a bit if the product you acquired was produced through child labor or slavery.

On the other side of the scale, if players care too much we get RMS.

I think you get the idea.
Everything that should matter to us is if the server runs laggfree, and if the gms are helpful/do their job and also stuff like in game balance.

What the gms do irl with the money i donate, cares me a wet poop to be honest. As long as i know they take care of the server (like updating it and stuff if need be)


Also, its still a DONATION, although it looks pretty differemt from time to time (as i have to admit), You are nowhere near a "seller-customer" relation with the gms.



Also, Heya Mirandu, long time no see D:

Pandora

I'll throw in my 2 cents, for lack of better thing to do this morning. This is meant as general observations, it could apply to any server really.

If you got burnt once, you're likely to be more cautious, yes perhaps those servers have changed and mend their ways, but impressions stick. Once bitten twice shy, it's no surprised that people still harbor bad feelings. Are the servers all good now? I know not, if they are well good for them and their players but you can't erase the past with the snap of a finger. It's like the same in every aspect of life, if someone wronged you, chances are you'll be  more cautious and avoid them if you can, it may take some time for forgiveness to come, if ever. Instead of starting flame topics (not calling this one flame but i have seen them before), people in favor of those server should find a positive way to make other people see what they see, bashing others for their opinion is surely not helping.

As for donation and where the money goes, some people don't care, but I think it's natural that many players will actually care about it. If you're told a server needs funds to survive and you donate to keep it alive, you wouldn't want that the money actually goes to the pocket of the admin. If you donate to help a server, you want the money to actually go toward exactly that. And if the admins claim that the funds are needed for the server but use the money for themselves, well it's called lying and very few people like being lied to XD
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Krystalx

"The only thing that matters is the game"

No, I'd care if my donations go to some1's drugs, sex change operation, etc.
It'd be different if they actually SAY "Hey, the current donation money goes to *whatever*" instead of hiding it and banning whoever mentions it.

bensei

Quote from: Krystalx on Oct 12, 2007, 11:01 AM
"The only thing that matters is the game"

No, I'd care if my donations go to some1's drugs, sex change operation, etc.
It'd be different if they actually SAY "Hey, the current donation money goes to *whatever*" instead of hiding it and banning whoever mentions it.

If you donate to a person, you are willing to let them use your money, for their uses. Your NOT in a seller/costumer relation, so your not supposed to have any insight at all. If Gms do not want other people to know what happens with doantions, its their personal right pf privacy.

If you dont like how donations work, i have a hint for you: Do not donate.

Emeralda

Quote from: bensei on Oct 12, 2007, 02:33 PM
If you donate to a person, you are willing to let them use your money, for their uses. Your NOT in a seller/costumer relation, so your not supposed to have any insight at all. If Gms do not want other people to know what happens with doantions, its their personal right pf privacy.

Wasn't the idea of 'donations' supposed to mean supporting the goal of it? In case of private servers it would mean the server itself, like new hardware, monthly costs and such? Anything else shouldn't really be called 'donations'.