Started by betwixtbetween, Mar 15, 2023, 05:31 PM
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Quote from: Develon on Mar 18, 2023, 12:57 PMAny game will be p2w if you can have an advantage over other players if you put in cash.But there are different levels of p2w, costumes are on the lower end of things. As you're only generating costumes which have no impact ingame whatsoever.Compare Costumes vs. Official levels of p2w where you buy not only enriched/hd Ores to upgrade gear, but also the gears themselves depending on server.
Quote from: Kushiro on Mar 18, 2023, 06:13 PMStop the red herring about just being costumes. You can sell them for zeny, and it is even worse now that they disable the purchases because now the people that bought those costumes etc are inflating the prices thus getting even more zeny for them.If you could not sell them for zeny then it would not be p2w, it's the fact that you are essentially converting real money into zenny what is the problem.
Quote from: Peanut on Mar 18, 2023, 06:36 PMand if you make them untradeable f2p Players will complain about, you need to Pay for costumes, Server is not f2p friendly and only want your Cash
Quote from: betwixtbetween on Mar 18, 2023, 11:14 PMAlfheim has a ton of ugly sprites that aren't even made by gravity. Blows my mind people throw their money to get that crap.
Quote from: rubie123 on Mar 19, 2023, 09:08 AMAnd this topic is about Gravity targeting them, not about their donation system. So stop the hate.
Quote from: rubie123 on Mar 19, 2023, 09:08 AMI don't understand why some of these people here are hating on this server for no reason. I play this server and I can guarantee it's not p2w.Just because the server is earning an income through selling costumes doesn't mean it's pay to win. A server has to have a way of making money as well.And this topic is about Gravity targeting them, not about their donation system. So stop the hate.
Quote from: Playtester on Mar 19, 2023, 12:59 PMPretty much every MMORPGs in existence right now is P2W anyway, you can barely use it as an insult anymore.If you only had costumes that give no stats and are not tradable, it would not be P2W at all, though.If you have anything in the shop that is tradable, it's already P2W as you can basically buy Zeny. It doesn't even matter if what in the shop is just costumes or other items that boost stats/exp/drop rate.The only P2W that's even worse is if you can get a boost by money that is not tradable and cannot be gotten with ingame effort.Though I'm not sure why this is even a topic here, unless you think Gravity targets Alfheim because it's P2W. I'd say in case of a lawsuit it would be somewhat related, because if a private server isn't making a lot of money, it's not worth filing a lawsuit against it. But just sending copyright strikes? I'm pretty sure Gravity just goes by where the most players are in that case to give people a "reminder" that's it's better to play on official servers.
Quote from: Kushiro on Mar 19, 2023, 07:56 PMIt is p2w because you can sell the costumes for zeny essentially trading real money for zeny.Just stop.
Quote from: Kushiro on Mar 19, 2023, 08:07 PMI am not even that salty about them making a profit for costumes
Quote from: Neffletics on Mar 19, 2023, 08:12 PMI agree, this is pay-to-win. Although buying the costume doesn't guarantee that you can easily convert it to zeny, it still gives an advantage to paying players compared to those who don't pay. But let's be real, these servers wouldn't exist without sufficient funding. The staff has to be compensated for their time, and they have to pay the server bills, which increase as they scale.Compared to the official server, the "pay-to-win" element in private servers that only sell costumes is considered the least game-breaking. In other private servers, you can literally buy enriched oridecon and elunium, potions, MVP cards, and headgears with +1~3 stats.It shouldn't be a big deal unless you're jealous that someone else is making more money than you. Well, that's capitalism for you.